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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calllida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into a Monday edition of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and as you know,

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Speaker 2: get us that way. And look, we're on the heel

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Speaker 2: of the NFL combine, which officially wraps up today. Steve

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Speaker 2: and I were out there middle of last week and

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Speaker 2: the end of the week unbelievable combine, which we'll get

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Speaker 2: to in a second. I think it's partially due to

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Speaker 2: the fact that the guys that knew they were slower

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Speaker 2: than others chose not to run. So really the fastest

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Speaker 2: of the fast were the ones that tested to a

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Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said to for the surface.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether it was redone like new turf. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that all makes a difference, could have been anything, but

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Speaker 1: certainly this was as fast as combine as we've seen.

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Speaker 1: In a minute. Some of the numbers are since two

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Speaker 1: thousand and three. Defensive linemen, linebackers, DB's, tight ends, running backs,

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Speaker 1: wide receivers, offensive lines. All of those groups timed overall

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Speaker 1: faster than any of the groups since two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: So it's been over twenty years since we've seen groups

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Speaker 1: So it was a little bit eye popping all the

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Speaker 1: way from top to bottom. So, yeah, something's in the

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Speaker 3: So I just checked.

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Speaker 2: The Colts installed new turf at Lucas Oil Stadium two

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Speaker 2: years ago for the twenty twenty four season. Max Harrison

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Speaker 2: ran on new turf last year and ran a four

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Speaker 1: Ye, so it's not nothing.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's still holding up, shall we say, in

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Speaker 1: Maybe now it's the athletes, it doesn't get too much traffic.

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Speaker 1: Maybe now it's just getting broken in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure if the high school teams I

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Speaker 2: don't either play their state championships there.

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Speaker 3: I would think they would.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but far be it for me to know the

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Speaker 2: goings on at the scholastic level in the.

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Speaker 1: Did you know it as well?

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Speaker 2: This is the tallest Yeah, combine class big faster, stronger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just one thing after another. All these guys

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Speaker 1: has showed up. You know. Obviously everybody was talking about

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Speaker 1: the brothers that the that ran so well.

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Speaker 2: And guys oh yeah yeah yeah, the not r vil Rees,

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Speaker 2: the Styles brothers, Yes, the Styles sons of Lorenzo Styles.

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Speaker 1: It was fun to watch it. Yeah, the buzz was there.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was a little different setup for us.

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Speaker 1: I only stayed till Wednesday and I left. Man, I

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Speaker 1: was so I'm so happy to be out of there.

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Speaker 1: But it's fun. Well, it lasted.

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Speaker 2: I kind of liked the end of the week because

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Speaker 2: that's when the athletes start running like the real ones

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Speaker 2: at the skill positions and it becomes more entertaining. Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like guys that can run blazing time they

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Speaker 2: get locker room. I should not have said that, but

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Speaker 2: because the biggest what they say in the locker room,

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Speaker 2: big guys are athletes. Do We do have some Bills

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Speaker 2: notes because ESPN is reporting that there is rampant free

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Speaker 2: agent speculation out there that rival teams of the Bills

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Speaker 2: expect Buffalo to strongly address the wide receiver position in

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Speaker 2: the coming weeks. Multiple league executives are linking Rashid Shahed

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Speaker 2: or Romeo Dobbs to the Bills.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I have an opinion about Romeo Dobbs.

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Speaker 1: Rashid Shahed strikes me is a little bit like I

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Speaker 1: don't know, just Brandon Cooks.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, he's more of an intermediate guy. He's

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Speaker 2: not a deep guy. Shaheed is the or you were

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Speaker 1: Shaheed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just considerably younger than Brandon Cooks. They were

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Speaker 2: Dobbs is a guy that's probably gonna be let go

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Speaker 2: because the Packers wisely have just kept drafting receivers every

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Speaker 1: Guys who are who know the word don't have to

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Speaker 2: Like they drafted Matthew Golden last year in the first round.

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Speaker 2: You know, Dontavian Wicks. They've drafted Jaden Reid Dobbs as well,

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Speaker 2: And if you have a franchise quarterback, that's probably a

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Speaker 2: remained competitive because they have other options. You know, you

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Speaker 2: think about how crippled Buffalo's receiving corps was this past

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Speaker 2: at the receiver position. The offense was still good, the

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it's a philosophy that has worked for

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. You know. They it's they notoriously draft quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: And they also have that wide receiver thing that go

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Speaker 1: they draft those guys. They're like, I don't know, name

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Speaker 1: But they keep drafting bodies and fresh legs help and

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Speaker 1: So I get all that.

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Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see because I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: just speculation, this report from other people in the league.

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Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see what the end formula is.

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Speaker 2: Do the Bills add a veteran and free agency and

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Speaker 3: The receiver position.

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Speaker 2: Do they sign a mid tier veteran receiver and then

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Speaker 2: you've got Brandon Cooks as a free agent, Gabe Davis

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Speaker 2: salary cap casualty. So there are a lot of changes

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have to sign, well the guys. The only

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Speaker 3: Virgil Cooks is a free agent too.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm looking at the Bill's website, so well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you may be. They may not be up to date.

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Speaker 1: But the simple fact of the matter is they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to get eight bodies. Forget whether they're whether

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Speaker 2: And another body they'll be without for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 2: Is Tyrrel Shavers, who tore his royelle in the AFC Wildcard.

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Speaker 2: mean January to September is nine months.

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Speaker 1: That's a long row.

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Speaker 2: So I mean that's another guy you're probably without who

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Speaker 1: If you're in the front, if you're a Brandon being,

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Speaker 1: you love the guy. Shavers is great, it's all, but

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Speaker 1: So the same thing with Gosnell. Stephen Gosnell, he's a

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Speaker 3: So and they signed Jalen Virgil.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna go, They're gonna go ninety guys deep with

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Speaker 1: I think it comes down to who's available, who they

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Speaker 1: And we talk a lot about wide outs, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just me. It's not the number one priority

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Speaker 2: Number one and maybe your offensive line depending on who

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Speaker 2: you lose.

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Speaker 1: Wide receiver is not the centerpiece of the conversation. It

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be fans. It is for the fans because that's

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Speaker 1: she knows are the guys who can't touch the football, right. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think that's the centerpiece of the Conversation's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go around.

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Speaker 2: The NFL presented by Colid of Health and the Houston

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Speaker 2: Texans have been very busy on the heels of the

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Speaker 2: NFL Combine, they have swung a trade with the Lions.

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Speaker 2: Detroit is sending running back David Montgomery to Houston in

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Speaker 2: exchange for fourth round pick, offensive lineman Jew Scruggs and

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Speaker 2: a seventh round pick. Houston's running game, as we know,

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Speaker 2: fell on hard times last season after Joe Mixon missed

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Speaker 2: the entire twenty twenty five campaign due to injury. Montgomery

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Speaker 2: a haul by the Lions for a twenty nine year

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Speaker 2: who you're probably gonna plug right into your lineup at guard,

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Speaker 2: that's that's a pretty good haul.

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Speaker 1: I think. Oh, it's a brilliant move by Houston. They

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Speaker 1: got I think they got better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, the offensive lineman, Juice Scrugs, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: He was a center for them, then moved to guard.

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Speaker 2: Because the draft lacks elite blue chip talent. So you've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's half the first round. What gets you is

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs informed right tackle Juwan Taylor that he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tight ends. That's fast, tight ends. That's faster than

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Speaker 2: On average and offensive lineman turning out an all time

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Speaker 1: Which is still faster than most of the people.

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Speaker 1: We were chuckling today Rich Eisen who is the you know,

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Speaker 1: Somebody is time.

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Speaker 1: It may they may stop doing the workouts.

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Speaker 2: It broke the previous Combine record for vertical jump by

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Speaker 1: Go big, fellas, let's go.

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Speaker 2: Here's the average height six five and three eighths, average

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Speaker 1: Now the average is three three sixteen.

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Speaker 3: That's just at the combine.

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Speaker 1: That's at the combine, every team has at least seven

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Speaker 1: guys right that are three hundred pounds, not just seven guys.

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Speaker 1: Seven guys were league wide.

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Speaker 2: Every team's got three.

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Speaker 1: I got seven guys that are three bills. That's the

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Speaker 1: evolution of it. And I know too, they're they're not

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Speaker 1: they're getting taller, incrementally smaller, but they are getting taller.

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Speaker 1: They're almost there's six five and a half now almost.

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Speaker 2: Right, speaking of all of these records set. And you

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Speaker 2: know what was discussed in our coverage of the combine

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Speaker 2: last week with all the draft gurus we had on

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Speaker 2: our show. Our topic of discussion for you today is

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Speaker 2: how did the NFL Combine change your thoughts on how

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Speaker 2: the Bill roster is to be built this offseason? You

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Speaker 2: let us know on the tweet sheet at one Bills

456
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Speaker 2: Live on X because I'll tell you right now. The

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Speaker 2: general consensus that we got from the draft gurus we

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Speaker 2: spoke to anyone, from Charles Davis to Daniel Jeremiah, you know,

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Speaker 2: to Dane Brugler, the answer was largely the same. Limited

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Speaker 2: on blue chip talent, maybe only a half dozen players,

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Speaker 2: and then after that there's a drop off of guys

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Speaker 2: that you'd give a first round grade two but are

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Speaker 2: probably not going to be superstars. And then after that,

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Speaker 2: it sounds like there's a really wide swath of talent

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Speaker 2: between rounds two and four of players that can help you,

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Speaker 2: probably even start right away right but don't have the

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Speaker 2: ceiling that sometimes you'll see into the latter stages of

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Speaker 2: round two, maybe even early round three. So it's it

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Speaker 2: sounds like a very solid draft, great in terms of depth,

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Speaker 2: but not depth of elite talent in any way, shape

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Speaker 2: or form. So how do those characterizations from the NFL

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Speaker 2: combine change your thoughts on the Bills roster build? You

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Speaker 2: let us know at One Bill's Live on the tweetsheet,

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Speaker 2: and we'll get to some of those comments from you

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Speaker 2: when we return here on One Bill's Live presented by

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Speaker 2: Colida Health.

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Speaker 3: Live, Chris Brown Steve.

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Speaker 2: Tasker with you on a Monday and talking to you

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Speaker 2: about how the NFL Combine may have changed your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on the Bills roster build this offseason. Maybe you think

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Speaker 2: the receiver class is so deep that the Bills should

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Speaker 2: just draft two of them and say the heck with

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Speaker 2: overpaying in free agency. We're doing this, we're going young

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Speaker 2: and we're.

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Speaker 3: Going to make it work.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you feel bullish on the edge rusher class, right,

487
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Speaker 2: so let us know what you think should be.

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Speaker 1: Able to get some team speed. Obviously we've been talking

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Speaker 1: about it that you should be able to get faster,

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Speaker 1: which is always a plus if that's your if that's

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Speaker 1: your priority. Now, certainly there are obviously other characteristics you

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Speaker 1: want as well, but if it's out there, if you

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Speaker 1: want it, it's I think the way we've been talking

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Speaker 1: without the elite, the depth of elite difference makers at

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Speaker 1: the top of this draft. I think obviously a bigger

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Speaker 1: part of the first round is hugely unpredictable. Who's going

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Speaker 1: to get taken, what position groups are going to be

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Speaker 1: a run on. We've conjectured that offensive tackles and edge

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Speaker 1: rushers might go start getting having a run on them. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. I think when you're talking the first round,

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Speaker 1: the fifth year that you get when you draft a

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Speaker 1: guy in the first round, their rookie contract is automatically

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Speaker 1: five years long instead of four, and that extra year

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Speaker 1: is cheap, an extra year of cheap labor. So I

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Speaker 1: think the philosophy is that when you get down to

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Speaker 1: this guy that guy. These guys are those guys. It

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Speaker 1: comes down to money positions, and those money positions are

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Speaker 1: edge rusher, offensive tackle, wide receiver, right and quarterbacks obviously

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Speaker 1: right corners, wide receivers, edge rushers, offensive tackles. Those guys

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Speaker 1: are going to get Those guys are gonna get dried

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Speaker 1: up pretty quick, I think, because of how important those

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Speaker 1: positions are and that extra year of cheap labor that

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Speaker 1: you get by getting them in the first round and

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Speaker 1: the bills.

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Speaker 2: You know, as far as their draft capital goes, has

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Speaker 2: each of their own picks through the first five round

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Speaker 2: and then two picks in round seven. They do not

518
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Speaker 2: have a sixth round draft choice, so in terms of

519
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Speaker 2: trade capital to move around the board, they're somewhat limited

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Speaker 2: unless they decide to use future picks or whether they

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Speaker 2: put a player in a trade, and they may have

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Speaker 2: to do that if there's some player they covet and

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Speaker 2: need to get to a certain location on the board.

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Speaker 3: You know, it could prove costly.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we'll we'll have to see what the

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Speaker 2: approach is by Brandon Bean first in free agency, which

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Speaker 2: is obviously first in line coming March eleventh, which is

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Speaker 2: crazy to say it's eight days away, it's like a

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Speaker 2: little over a week away. And they still have some

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Speaker 2: cap compliant business to take care of just to get

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Speaker 2: under the cap.

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Speaker 3: So let's not forget that either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what they do in free agency, obviously, there's there's

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Speaker 1: kind of players taken in free agency at all these

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Speaker 1: spots we're talking about, wide receiver, edge rusher, stand up linebacker,

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Speaker 1: and safety, maybe even corner. They're gonna get a guy

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Speaker 1: at all those spots in free agency, I would think,

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Speaker 1: whether we know them or not, or whether they move

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Speaker 1: the needle for most fans, that's another we don't know

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Speaker 1: that yet. But they've got to get to a spot

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Speaker 1: where when the draft comes, they don't have to have

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Speaker 1: to have to have to have a wide receiver in

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Speaker 1: the first round, or have to have to have to

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Speaker 1: have an edge rusher, or have to have to have

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Speaker 1: to have an offensive time whatever. You get the point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they don't want to, so they're gonna sign. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: sign guys at all these spots we're talking about, and

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Speaker 1: we knowed Will it move my needle? That's what I

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Speaker 1: want to know.

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Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, and that's hard to predict obviously, because they

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Speaker 2: could make some surprise cap cut on the roster and

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Speaker 2: have a ton of money all of a sudden, right

553
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Speaker 2: and then boom diggity, they're, you know, spending maybe more

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Speaker 2: than you thought. I would tend to think they're going

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Speaker 2: to take a budgetary approach to free agency because the

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Speaker 2: situation they're in now isn't all that different from where

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Speaker 2: they were in twenty twenty three. And we kind of

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Speaker 2: outlined this in our latest edition of the Bills by

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Speaker 2: the Numbers podcast. And in the twenty twenty three off season,

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Speaker 2: Brandon Bean signed thirteen free agents who were new to

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Speaker 2: the club. Ten of them signed one year deals, and

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Speaker 2: I think that could be part of the formula again

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Speaker 2: this offseason. Don't commit so many future dollars. Commit here

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Speaker 2: and now see who you can get on the roster

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Speaker 2: on a one year deal, whether they got something to prove,

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Speaker 2: or whether they're happy to take a one year deal

567
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Speaker 2: on a winning ball club, and then take it from there.

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Speaker 2: There was only one contract of two years and one

569
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Speaker 2: contract of more than two years to new free agents

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Speaker 2: acquired by the club. The longest deal that year in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three was Connor mcg years twenty three million, dollars,

572
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Speaker 2: and the Bills got a bargain for those three years.

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Speaker 2: They got a starting guard and a two year starting

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Speaker 2: center who I don't think he missed a game. And

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Speaker 2: then they got David Edwards off the scrap heap after

576
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Speaker 2: some concussions had had him fall out of favor with

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Speaker 2: the LA Rams. They bring him here, and fortunately for

578
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Speaker 2: him and the Bills, he doesn't sustain any more concussions,

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Speaker 2: starts at left guard, and gets re signed for another

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Speaker 2: two years at affordable money. So the Bills got two

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Speaker 2: starting linemen at supremely affordable prices. And now they've reached

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Speaker 2: a point, as we discussed on that podcast and a

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Speaker 2: little bit last week after we talked to Brandon Bean,

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Speaker 2: they're at a point where they probably can't afford to

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Speaker 2: keep either of them based on what we're expecting the

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Speaker 2: market to bear at the free agent center position.

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Speaker 3: In the free agent guard position.

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Speaker 1: They will presume if they stay here.

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Speaker 2: They will call themselves money on the open market, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: I think that's pretty safe to say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I don't know how much the money would be,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I know you do this too. When

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Speaker 1: when you're in our business, you cross pollinating, you have

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Speaker 1: guys calling you about your the team you cover, you

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Speaker 1: know you have like national guys will call me, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they call Brownie as well, like hey, what

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Speaker 1: is it? What's the deal with it? And I was

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Speaker 1: getting calls months ago about McGovern and David Edwards said,

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Speaker 1: what about it? Which guy do they keep if they

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Speaker 1: have to keep one? Which one is the guy? Which went?

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Speaker 1: You know, how's good or how good are they? And

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Speaker 1: because these guys were a part of a really effective

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Speaker 1: offensive line, really effective and available, right, I mean, nobody

604
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Speaker 1: ever missed a game except Spencer brown Is one game

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Speaker 1: each of the last two years. And that's the extent

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Speaker 1: of their injury list. Right. So word was out and

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Speaker 1: we were I was getting calls from national guys saying,

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Speaker 1: what about it? Who's the guy that they would keep

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Speaker 1: if they kept one? And I always told people that

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Speaker 1: would probably be McGovern because of his relationship with Josh

611
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Speaker 1: and the fact and I said this last week about

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Speaker 1: the voice that he is and the personality that your

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Speaker 1: center has to have, the leadership qualities they have to have,

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Speaker 1: they're hard to find. They're harder to find than the guard,

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Speaker 1: although David Edwards was pretty effective. Right, So everybody knows

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Speaker 1: these guys are out there, and these are not guys

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Speaker 1: the teams. These are not guys that Bills would like say, hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by. We're letting your contract out, see

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Speaker 1: you later. They would love to keep these guys because

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Speaker 1: they're not that old and they've been affected. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they've got experience. I mean they are You can't find

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Speaker 1: these guys McGovern and David Edwards. That's why they've got

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Speaker 1: to make twenty million dollars a year. Yeah, because they're

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Speaker 1: just that rare at their age and their experience and

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Speaker 1: their productivity and their contracts. I mean, the people the

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Speaker 1: words out and even in the media, people knew that

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Speaker 1: these guys were destined for other places.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious about a lot of things with regard to

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Speaker 2: the Bills approach this offseason, and I think, maybe more

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Speaker 2: than ever, the approach is as difficult to predict as

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Speaker 2: Brandon Bean's first year on the job back when, back

632
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Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, when we didn't know anything about because

633
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Speaker 2: he had not been a GM before, we had we

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Speaker 2: had no framework.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, he can't.

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Speaker 2: Sean came in twenty seventeen January and then being showed

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Speaker 2: up in May after the draft, so.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we had no framework as to what his roster

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Speaker 2: building philosophies and approach would be. We had to wait

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Speaker 2: and see them, and then we developed, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: an idea as to how he works things, whether he's

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Speaker 2: in a friendly situation or a cap restrictive situation. We

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Speaker 2: saw all the iterations of that. But I would say

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Speaker 2: this is as different as an off season as we

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Speaker 2: have seen since his first year when we really didn't

647
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Speaker 2: know anything about him, because you have a new head

648
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: coach who may have different preferences. You've got a new

649
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: defensive scheme which is different from any defensive scheme that

650
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Speaker 2: Bean has tried to build a roster for here previously.

651
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Speaker 2: And there's a cap restrictive situation on top of that, which,

652
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Speaker 2: through some maneuvering, can create more cap space and allow

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Speaker 2: them to do business and maybe even you know, make

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Speaker 2: a few notable signings. But I just think all of

655
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Speaker 2: that roll together has lent itself to.

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Speaker 1: Making it a very as.

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Speaker 2: Unpredictable an off season as we've seen here in nine years.

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Speaker 1: Think about because we Brinnie and I have had this

659
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Speaker 1: conversation on the show ever since the coaching change was made.

660
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Speaker 1: We don't know how much of an effect Sean McDermott

661
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Speaker 1: had on Brandon Bean's decision making about rosters anyway, certainly

662
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: he had a voice in it. Those guys worked very

663
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Speaker 1: closely together, and that's the way it should be. That's

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Speaker 1: why successful teams have a head coach gm that see

665
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Speaker 1: things the same way. We don't know what that's relationship

666
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Speaker 1: is going to be with Joe Brady and Brandon Bean,

667
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Speaker 1: or how much it will change from Joe Brady from

668
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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott. We don't know what that's going to look like.

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Speaker 1: Terry Pegoula mentioned one of the reasons I think, well,

670
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons he said Brandon Bean is still

671
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Speaker 1: here is because of the collaborative nature of his job.

672
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Speaker 1: He's been in the room when the decisions were all made,

673
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Speaker 1: and Brandon is listening to a lot of people, so

674
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Speaker 1: he makes the you know, his responsibility is his decision,

675
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Speaker 1: but it's a group think, so he knew the collaborative,

676
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Speaker 1: the collaborative nature of the job was that. That's why

677
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean's still here. So how's that collaboration going to

678
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: change in this draft room as compared to any of

679
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Speaker 1: the others and his free agent agency period. We don't

680
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: know any of this stuff. Yeah, but it's it's massive.

681
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: These are massive questions have got to be answered. We

682
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: don't know the answers to yet.

683
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and some business that has to get get taken

684
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: care of this week. Yeah, Like they've got to get

685
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: cap compliant, and they have to know who that means

686
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: they're going to continue without, who they're going to continue

687
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: with under a restructure deal, who they might.

688
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: Continue with with an extension.

689
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: So there are all these little parts of the plan

690
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: that some of which have to be executed this week.

691
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: They gotta be cap compliant by March ninth, when they

692
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Speaker 2: start when they're allowed to start, I mean technically the eleventh,

693
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Speaker 2: but probably by the ninth. Because you know that their

694
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: targets in free agency, they have estimated they're going to

695
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: cost x or from this range to this range is

696
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: probably where we can get them on average annual value.

697
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Speaker 3: Do we have the space for that?

698
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Speaker 2: Well, they have to get cap compliant to know the

699
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: space that they have. And we found out late last

700
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Speaker 2: week that the CAP's going to be only three hundred

701
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: one five point two, which is the low end of

702
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: the range the NFL handed out a month ago, which

703
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: was threeh one to three oh five. It's at the

704
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Speaker 2: low end three oh one, so it's four million less

705
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Speaker 2: than maybe you could have had if it finished at

706
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Speaker 2: the top of the range. So the bills conceivably between

707
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Speaker 2: now and the end of the week know they have

708
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Speaker 2: decisions to make to get their cap to become CAP compliant,

709
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Speaker 2: and then decide how much more space below the number

710
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Speaker 2: they feel they need to be to take the necessary

711
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Speaker 2: steps they're planning to take in free agency. They know

712
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Speaker 2: they're not going to get everybody that's on their list,

713
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Speaker 2: and they've got contingency plans option BCD, E, and F

714
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Speaker 2: at the different positions they may want to address in

715
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Speaker 2: free agency. But dollars to donuts, they're going to know

716
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Speaker 2: what kind of space they have to work with before

717
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: they get to Monday of next week, when they can

718
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: start calling agents, you know, and negotiating two days before

719
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Speaker 2: the actual league year starts.

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Speaker 1: I think they will. I think they know that number.

721
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Speaker 1: I think they know what they're gonna do right now

722
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Speaker 1: get where they got to get to, and they also

723
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Speaker 1: know how they're gonna get there. They we haven't made it.

724
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Speaker 1: It hasn't been made public yet. They got to still

725
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: talk to the guys and the agents and representative. But

726
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Speaker 1: once they decide to do this, there's no stopping it.

727
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Speaker 1: So whatever players are going to be restructured, cut released

728
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: is already set in stone and they just got to

729
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Speaker 1: pull the trigger. They and they're they're probably doing that

730
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Speaker 1: even as we speak. This week. They're gonna start getting

731
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Speaker 1: it done. We'll start here and it'll it'll start trickling

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Speaker 1: out pretty fast.

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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here. We'll get to some of

734
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Speaker 2: your tweets when we return. As we are asking you today,

735
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Speaker 2: how did the NFL Combine change your thoughts on the

736
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Speaker 2: Bill's roster build this offseason?

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Speaker 3: You let us know at One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Next we'll catch up with you on the other side.

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Speaker 2: All right, back, you're on One Bill's Live. Chris brown

740
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: Steed task you with you and checking in with you

741
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Speaker 2: about your thoughts on the NFL Combine. Did what you

742
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 2: see there or hear about from the experts we talked

743
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: to last week impact your thoughts about the Bills roster

744
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: build this offseason. Maybe you feel it's better to go

745
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: young because the draft class is so deep and you

746
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: want to use those picks or try to accumulate more

747
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: and just go complete youth movement and not overpaying free agency.

748
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: Maybe you weren't that impressed with the Combine crew and

749
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: you're like, man, we better get some short things for

750
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: our defense, and fast, especially with the scheme changing. So

751
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: you let us know at one Bills live on x

752
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: or Twitter, whatever you call it these days, and let's

753
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: go to the tweetsheet, which is brought to you by

754
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Speaker 2: Coring and Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of

755
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Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. And that's where Peter says, trade our

756
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: number one for a three and four and use them

757
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: for two wide receivers, lots of value in those middle rounds.

758
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 2: Otherwise defense must be the focus. Well, I've got good

759
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: news for you, Peter. With where the Bills pick at

760
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 2: twenty six, they can get a two and a three

761
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: for that, Like if they did a deal with New Orleans,

762
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: who picks forty two and seventy three. The math works

763
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: for pick forty two and seventy three in exchange for

764
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Speaker 2: pick twenty six, So you can do even better than

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Speaker 2: a three and a four. You can get a two

766
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Speaker 2: and a three. And now suddenly you have two picks

767
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Speaker 2: in round two, two picks in round three, And if

768
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Speaker 2: you believe that's where the meat and potatoes of this

769
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Speaker 2: draft is to get solid players and probable starters that

770
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: may never be superstars but can obviously contribute and do

771
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: so early, you can make an argument for that.

772
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be against that.

773
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: Especially if what's falling to you at twenty six looks

774
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 2: like supremely disappointing.

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00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm all forgetting more guys, you know, more swings, more

776
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: swings at it. We've seen every franchise and certainly this one,

777
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: with the likes of Matt Milano, Tarren Johnson, Christian Benford,

778
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: guys who have turned into very good players, and in

779
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: Matt Mlona's case in all pro in fifth round right,

780
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: Benford's seventh round or sixth round or sixth So there

781
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: are guys out there at that point if you can

782
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: get him in the right environment, which you know, we'll

783
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: see if Joe Brady can keep this culture rolling where

784
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: these players have developed really some of them really fast

785
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: and really well to become from nowhere, you know, mid

786
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: to late round picks into players that are great, right,

787
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: So get more of them. I don't have a problem

788
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: trading down at all, particularly when you're already low in

789
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: the first round in the pecking order. It just makes

790
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: too much sense to me. But sometimes you can't get it.

791
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: Just no takers. There's just no takers, right.

792
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: You need two parties that are willing.

793
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Speaker 1: And able as good as it sounds like, as good

794
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: as the deals it sounds for Buffalo. That's you know,

795
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: it's not that great for the other team. So that's

796
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: why it doesn't get done.

797
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can get a two and a three

798
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: for the Bills pick at twenty six. You don't have

799
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 2: to settle for a three and a four. You can

800
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Speaker 2: do better than that.

801
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: If somebody doesn't want their two and three.

802
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: Or if somebody covets somebody that's still on the board

803
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: that they believe is worthy of the twenty six.

804
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Speaker 1: Pick' that's just the thing. If you don't see it,

805
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: why would they.

806
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: Well, they may have other positional needs that you don't.

807
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: You know, maybe some quarterback they liked slipped, you know.

808
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe so it may and that's what we talk,

809
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: you know, some teams have. Yeah, that quarterback thing is

810
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: always there. Twenty six is high enough to get him

811
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Speaker 1: in the first round. It's not the last ditch effort,

812
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: but yeah, we'll see the bills. I think during this

813
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: free agency period, I'll say it again, they're gonna get

814
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: to a point where they can take whatever position pops

815
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Speaker 1: up at twenty six, and if there's still a ton

816
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Speaker 1: of guys at twenty six, they may go back to

817
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: like forty two, thirty eight, thirty six whatever, Yeah, and

818
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: just get out of that and pick up the guys

819
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: they want later. Right.

820
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Speaker 2: And I'm also trying to think, you know you've got

821
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: at the start of this you had twenty two unrestricted

822
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Speaker 2: free agents.

823
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: So.

824
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Speaker 2: Knowing your cap constraints, it's unrealistic to think that you're

825
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: gonna add even half of those guys back because the

826
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Speaker 2: majority of them will cost more money based on what

827
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Speaker 2: they've done previously. You have Alec Anderson back in the

828
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: fold already, as you do Fiderian mathis. Both of those

829
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: guys signed a week or so ago, so they're back

830
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: in the fold for another year. But this list is

831
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: got some long in the tooth veterans, right, and it's

832
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: also got some younger vets, but vets nonetheless. But I

833
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: think you can quickly pick from the list of Buffalo's

834
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: unrestricted free agents and find three or four that you

835
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Speaker 2: say going forward, A we can afford and B we

836
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: want back in the fold. I think it can very

837
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: quickly get to three or four there. I don't know

838
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: if there's many more than that, which then begs the question, all, right,

839
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,479
Speaker 2: now you have sixteen vacancies left on the roster because

840
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: you signed back six free agents that were on your list.

841
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: How are you divvying that up between free agents, new

842
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: free agents and draft? Are you signing eight free agents

843
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna somehow find a way to draft

844
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 2: eight players and sign some undrafted guys that you think

845
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: can compete for a roster spot. I mean, that's that's

846
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: the equation that the Bills are going to be faced

847
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: with after, you know, they finish business with the roster

848
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 2: as it currently exists right now, because there's very likely

849
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: to be a cab casualty of restructuring a trade something

850
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: this week to help them get CASP.

851
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: We don't land and create cap space.

852
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: And we don't know which part of the roster that's

853
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: going to entail. Correct, So we're we're talking about this

854
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: and this is all philosophical because we're just you may

855
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: as well blindfold us and put us in a dark

856
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: room for this draft process right now, because there's so

857
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: many we don't know about the people involved. I mean,

858
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: the scout that we know more about players we've never

859
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: seen play in person than we do about the front

860
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: off doesn't what they're gonna do because of the changes

861
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: that have happened, and the philosophical change on defense, the

862
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: whole new defensive staff that's in the building, the new

863
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: relationship between the head coach and the general manager, the

864
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: head coach and the defensive coordinator. And that's why I

865
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: was I was rolling my eye because Brownie is he

866
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: keeps his hand finger on the pulse of this, and

867
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: so do I, but not like Brownie does. And he

868
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: sell me say listen, and he sends me this thing

869
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: where they say, hey, listen, their reports are Bill's are

870
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: going to take a swing of wide out. And this

871
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: free agency thing a big one. That's coming from people

872
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: who who kind of want them to do who want

873
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: them to do that, right, that's coming from people like

874
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: in another that's coming from people in another organization, maybe

875
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: a GM in another organization, but it's probably a scout

876
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: who's sitting over there going knowing less than Brownie and

877
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: I do. I am very jaded about these I noticed them.

878
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: My gosh, it's all speculative.

879
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 2: And you know, as they say all the time, we've

880
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: entered lying season, and that's rice is where we are.

881
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: And you know, we'll have to try to read between

882
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: the lines to see how realistic it is. People are

883
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: talking left, right and center about tradeing aj brown In

884
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: my estimation, it's just too cost prohibitive to do it

885
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: this year.

886
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: They can do it next year.

887
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: The Eagles can, but they just want to toss a

888
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: name around that they can talk about for two weeks.

889
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: So what could it happen?

890
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: Sure the money tells me it's probably unlikely to happen

891
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: because it's too.

892
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: Big a hit to the Eagles. What have got time

893
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: for that? Or we got the money for that? What

894
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: are they gonna What are they gonna do with to

895
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: a tongue of ioloa.

896
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: They're gonna wait until after June first, that's right, that's

897
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: what they're gonna do.

898
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: And then they he can't, he can't come back to Miami.

899
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: Probably not.

900
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: You're right, it's ninety nine million dollars. They gotta find

901
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: some way to flush.

902
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: Unless they wait until after June first, and then it's less,

903
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: but it's still a lost.

904
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: Forty nine million.

905
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to take a break here.

906
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: When we come back, though, our number two is going

907
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: to begin with NFL analyst and founder and creator of

908
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: Audibles and Analytics.

909
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: It's John Ledgard that's going to join us.

910
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: We'll talk combine prospects with him, dabbling a little bit

911
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: of free agency and maybe some emerging NFL trends for

912
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. He's up next here on One Bill's Live.

913
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live, presented by Calllida Health.

914
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: All right, our number two on a Monday, Chris Brown,

915
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 2: Steve with you and happy to welcome in now, NFL

916
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: analyst and founder and creator of Audibles and Analytics.

917
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 3: It's John Ledger joining us.

918
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: And we were at the Combine all last week. John,

919
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: and the general consensus that you know, we got from

920
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys who have had their ear

921
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: to the ground a little bit longer than we have

922
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: while we were busy with the regular season and the

923
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: playoffs is that the blue chip talent is very limited

924
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: in this year's class, but there is depth of talent

925
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: if you're looking for, you know, contributors. First year starters

926
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: certainly people that can develop into starters, just not a

927
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: whole lot of superstars. How do you anticipate that impacting

928
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: Round one? Because after you get past the six to

929
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: eight quote unquote blue chip prospects, I kind of get

930
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 2: the sense that people are going to be jumping at

931
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: the value positions where there is some depth like edge

932
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: rusher and offensive line, which may not be terribly sexy

933
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: for people watching the draft, but it feels like it's

934
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: going towards the line of scrimmage based on what we're

935
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 2: hearing about the class.

936
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a pretty defensive class, to be

937
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 4: honest with you, Like, I think that defensively is where

938
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 4: the strengths of this draft class lie. And the offensive

939
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 4: tackle class is really interesting. It's pretty developmental. There's nobody

940
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 4: in the conversation like there would have been last year,

941
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 4: especially for me, like where I saw armand Membu and

942
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 4: Josh Zimmons like as kind of really good talents. Like

943
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 4: this year, I don't think you have those kinds of

944
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: players at the top of the class, and so I

945
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 4: think that you're gonna see teams reach. That's gonna be

946
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 4: one of the ripple effects of this right, is they're

947
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 4: going to reach for positions of value that they view

948
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 4: as high value positions, I guess, and where a lot

949
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 4: of teams frankly have holes, which is as you mentioned,

950
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 4: offensive line. So you're going to see some of those

951
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 4: guys go higher than probably the tape indicates they should.

952
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 4: Then maybe the guys that they would be compared to

953
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 4: and drafted in pretty similar spots in previous years have

954
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 4: gone and if you're comparing the tape between those, you

955
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 4: might think this class is a little bit behind where

956
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 4: the guys picked in that range last year might have been.

957
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 4: But that's gonna be again. It's the necessity of the class,

958
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 4: right and what's so needed. If you hit on one

959
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: of these guys or can develop them, the value is

960
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 4: just tremendous. And so teams are going to be looking

961
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 4: for value in a class that's short on some of

962
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 4: the things that we would deem like really important.

963
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: So we've sat here in Buffalo and we're Brownie and

964
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: I who follow the team know that it's going to

965
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: look different. We have a new head coach, the GM

966
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: has a new relationship with the head coach, new defensive coordinator,

967
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: new defensive philosophy, ten ten teams in this draft pool

968
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: have the same problem. New head coach, new GM or

969
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: not new GM, new relationships and everything, the philosophy, the

970
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: scheme changes, the personnel, the roster turnover is going to

971
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: be that much different for ten teams, let alone the

972
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: ones who you can maybe can predict after one draft? Right,

973
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: So how does that effect? And it's how much more

974
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: unpredictable is this draft going to be because of all

975
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: the new head coaches, all the new GMS and the

976
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: new philosophy. I know there's turnover every year, but this

977
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: seems like a banner year for questionable. We don't know

978
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: the decision making process for like ten teams, plus some

979
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: of these other teams we've only got one, maybe two

980
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: years of track record.

981
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 4: And yeah, the Bills are a prime example, right, They

982
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 4: you know, have the same GM and a different head coach.

983
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 4: And so you are you going off of are you

984
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 4: trying to predict who the Bills are going to draft

985
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 4: based on Brandon Bean's tendencies or are you trying to

986
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: base it on who the no coaching staff might want?

987
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 4: You know, who Joe Brady might deem as valuable, what

988
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 4: fits into his scheme? You know, I think that's going

989
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 4: to be a huge talking point, especially a wide receiver

990
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 4: Jim Leonard, Like what does he value at certain positions?

991
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 4: Especially the Bills have been trying to find edge rushers

992
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 4: for forever now, and Bean has a specific type. That

993
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 4: type is pretty different from what Jim Leonard's had over

994
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 4: the course of his career and the types of players

995
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 4: you would guess from his scheme that he would value

996
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 4: moving forward, So how does that are those guys on

997
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 4: the same page moving forward? Is that power struggle? Is

998
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 4: there going to be a power struggle there between like

999
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 4: who wants this and who wants that?

1000
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: Maybe?

1001
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 4: But you're right, this is the unknown aspect of it

1002
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 4: is when you got ten different teams where there's that

1003
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 4: kind of turnover at an important position, even if there

1004
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 4: wasn't very much a GM this offseason, And maybe that's

1005
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 4: it ends up being more predictable because of that. But

1006
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 4: what is the influence of the coaching staff on the

1007
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 4: GM should be pretty heavy. If the GM's a good GM,

1008
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 4: you should take it into pretty strong consideration. What the

1009
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 4: coaches want and what fits their scheme. Some do that

1010
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 4: better than others, and so it is probably going to

1011
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 4: make for a decently unpredictable first round.

1012
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 2: We've also seen trades already this week from teams who

1013
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: did not undergo head coaching changes, with the exception of Cleveland,

1014
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: linemen are getting swapped. You know, Houston's been busy. They

1015
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: sent two more linemen out. I don't know how they're

1016
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 2: ever going to improve their offensive line by continually subtracting,

1017
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: but far be it from me to know the equation there.

1018
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: And again back to Steve's point ten, head coaching changes,

1019
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: different schemes, a lot of players that maybe don't fit anymore.

1020
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: Could you a see a more robust trade market in

1021
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: light of those changes? And be if not, what's the alternative?

1022
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we will see a more robust trade market.

1023
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 4: I would be really surprised if we don't. I mean,

1024
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 4: I think we've already seen that, to be honest, like

1025
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 4: right the last couple of years, Like that has been

1026
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 4: the direction this thing is moving in for quite a

1027
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 4: while in the league, is to see some of these

1028
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 4: trade situations kind of take precedent even over free agency

1029
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways. So, yeah, players like AJ Brown,

1030
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 4: players like Max Crosby, they are going to be talked about.

1031
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 4: The quarterbacks. You know Tua and Kyler, what happens with them,

1032
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 4: you're maybe more likely to be released, at least in

1033
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 4: Kyler's case. We'll see if there's any interest in Tua.

1034
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: But we're going to.

1035
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 4: See trades and then we're also going to see more

1036
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 4: high profile releases or starters being released, and that that's

1037
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 4: a part of every offseason, but perhaps even more so

1038
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 4: this year in order to make way for younger talent

1039
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 4: to play on some of these teams. And so the

1040
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 4: Chiefs are example of that. Right, They're gonna release Jewan Taylor,

1041
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 4: not a great player, but certainly like a starting caliber

1042
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 4: wanted a position of great need, as we talked about

1043
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 4: of offensive tackle around the league, so that some of

1044
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 4: the younger guys on their team can play, and Jalen

1045
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 4: Moore they signed last year as a free agent, can play.

1046
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 4: So that's going to supplement what it looks like a

1047
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 4: pretty weak free agent class in most positions, and hopefully

1048
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 4: that's enough to drive the off season, you know, hubbub

1049
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 4: that happens every year to another level.

1050
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: Before the draft, we spend a lot of time talking

1051
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: about money positions. Wide out, cornerback, edge rusher, offensive tackle.

1052
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: One of the other positions that really caught my eye

1053
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: in this combine was the safety position. It seemed like

1054
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: they got a ton of dudes that can really go

1055
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: and they're big downhill safeties give us a little insight

1056
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: as to you know, it's not a money spot. I mean,

1057
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: most of the you know, most of the money goes

1058
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: to the edges or right around the football, right goes

1059
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: to the corners and the wide outs, or down inside

1060
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: of the defensive tackles, defensive lineman, edge rushers, safeties furthest

1061
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: away from the ball. But man, this safety class seems

1062
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: to be really really good. How how much of an

1063
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: effect will that have on the first round? Do you think?

1064
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because safety and linebacker are really good,

1065
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 4: and it's a really good safety and linebacker class at

1066
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 4: the top. At least, I question a little bit of

1067
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 4: the depth part of it compared to where most people

1068
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 4: aut where they're like, oh, there's so many good ones.

1069
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 4: You can get one, you know, stay two day three,

1070
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 4: you can get starting caliber players.

1071
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: We'll see.

1072
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 4: You know, it's not necessarily how I see it right

1073
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 4: now at those positions, But I do think it's interesting

1074
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 4: because when you think about where the league is going,

1075
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 4: right Now, defensively, there's a lot of mixing it up

1076
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 4: before the snap, mixing it up before the ball snap,

1077
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 4: and then after the snap you're changing the picture. Defensively,

1078
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 4: there's rotations. Everybody's got to do a little bit of something,

1079
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 4: and the players who have to be the most versatile

1080
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 4: are linebackers and safety. So these are two positions that

1081
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 4: I think should be and are probably shooting up end

1082
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 4: value around the league based on how defense is played.

1083
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 4: Trying to eliminate the middle of the field is a

1084
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 4: priority for defenses. It needs to be a party. If

1085
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 4: you look at all the best offenses in the league

1086
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 4: last year, almost every single one of the top ten

1087
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 4: offenses and EPA pri play last year. We're also in

1088
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 4: the top ten in offensive yards per game pers passing

1089
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 4: yards per game to the intermediate area of the field,

1090
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 4: that ten to nineteen yard range and especially in the

1091
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 4: middle of the field. So defensively, how the heck do

1092
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 4: we take that away? Well, what we do is we

1093
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 4: confuse the picture, right, We buzz people down into that space,

1094
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 4: we drop people out into that space, and one of

1095
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 4: those two things is happening all the time. Defensively, who

1096
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 4: does those things usually linebackers and safeties. Sometimes you get

1097
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 4: a versatile defensive lineman who can do some of those

1098
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 4: things really well. You think about Minnesota Andrew Van Ginkle

1099
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 4: and what they've kind of found in him. But all

1100
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 4: these defense are a lot of these defenses at least

1101
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 4: are not staying static anymore. They're trying to move and

1102
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 4: change the picture pre and post snapped. These guys can

1103
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 4: help do that, and that's where I think the value

1104
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 4: the classes really had. It's gonna be talked down on

1105
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 4: by most people because it's linebackers and safeties. It's RL

1106
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 4: Reast and Sunny styles and Caleb downs. You know, probably

1107
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 4: my top three players in the class when it's all

1108
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 4: said and done. And if people are gonna say, well,

1109
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 4: those aren't super valuable positions, it's not about the position.

1110
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 4: It's about the role that the player can play. Can

1111
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 4: the player play a really valuable role for their team's defense.

1112
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 4: You could say the linebacker position is not valuable in

1113
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 4: league if you want to. It's only not valuable because

1114
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 4: most linebackers in the league can't play multiple roles for

1115
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 4: their defense. Fred Warner can and it's extremely valuable. Zach

1116
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 4: Bond can and it's extremely valuable. Matt Mulano did it

1117
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 4: is one of the best blitzer and coverage guys when

1118
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 4: he was at his peak helf and it was extremely valuable.

1119
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 4: So if you have the right player now, the problem

1120
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 4: is there's only about five of them in the league

1121
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 4: every year at this position. That's the problem is that

1122
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 4: number linebacker six to linebacker thirty are fairly similar in

1123
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 4: terms of their ability in this class. I think you

1124
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 4: have at least two, maybe three linebackers who can be

1125
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 4: in that top five. And RVL recent Sonny styles I

1126
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 4: do see RL recent off ball amacker. I think those

1127
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 4: guys both have the potential to be special. I think

1128
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 4: cjll has really significant upside if he can clean up

1129
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 4: some of the sloppiness in his game. Really really good

1130
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 4: player as well. So that position looks like one of

1131
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 4: the game changers. And then Caleb downs Is play is

1132
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 4: a difference maker I think right away. Because of again

1133
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 4: we talk about the role, right the role is multiple.

1134
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: It's not just I'm.

1135
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 4: Hanging out in the back end of the defense playing

1136
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 4: free safety all the time. I might see two targets

1137
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 4: over the course of a game. I don't really change

1138
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 4: that many plays. No Cale Downs can play there, he

1139
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 4: can rotate down to the box. He can be a robber.

1140
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 4: He can play on the edge of the defense. Is

1141
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 4: basically a force defender when offenses go to heavier personnel,

1142
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 4: which is pretty in vogue right now. He can blitz

1143
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 4: off the edge and does with great success. He can

1144
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 4: play on the slot with great success and blows up

1145
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 4: everything in the screen game. It's a huge part of

1146
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 4: offenses these days, so the role is super valuable. Whereas

1147
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 4: another safety in the class, AJ Halsey from LSU. He

1148
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 4: might be more of a streamline deep safety that takes

1149
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 4: away some of the value, but he's really good at that.

1150
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 4: And so you sort of have Downs on one end

1151
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 4: and Halsey kind of in more of a like streamlined role.

1152
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 4: And then to me dealing with Theeneman and Emmanuel McNeil

1153
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 4: Warren or somewhere in between that I really like Theeneman.

1154
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 4: I think he's a really really good player. It will

1155
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 4: be one of the top safeties in this class, probably

1156
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 4: a top twenty pick. I think Emmanuel McNeil Warren is

1157
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 4: a pretty boomer bust player. We'll see what happens with

1158
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 4: him after those three guys, and probably Halsey. I think

1159
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 4: it really falls off at safety to me because it's

1160
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 4: a lot of athletes, not a lot of versatility, is

1161
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 4: what I'd say. So that's where I think the safety

1162
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 4: class differs, maybe in my eyes from most people.

1163
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: But all that being said, John teams are coveting safeties

1164
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 2: now because of what the Seattle Seahawks did with Nick

1165
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: Himan Warre. Now I don't even think McNeil Warren is

1166
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 2: Emon Warry. He's not as big, probably not as fast either,

1167
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: although I missed his forty time. Maybe he did clock

1168
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 2: something similar. But based on what Seattle does, everybody wants

1169
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 2: to copy that. I mean, I think the play caller

1170
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: had something to do with it too. But to your point,

1171
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: the safety class probably doesn't go deep enough to satisfy

1172
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 2: every team in the league and filling that But I'm

1173
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: wondering if they might look at it differently and say, look,

1174
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 2: at least I can get a safety that's two hundred

1175
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: five pounds, is an athlete and is good enough to

1176
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: drop down in the slot and play nickel for us

1177
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: as well. I almost feel like the smaller nickels are

1178
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 2: getting phased out because with the advent of the run game,

1179
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: the last two years, they're getting targeted and they're pulling

1180
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: guards and running them at one hundred and eighty five

1181
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety pound nickels, and they're getting dug out

1182
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 2: of there because they can't even cut them because it's

1183
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: against the rules. Now, So to me, it's it's put

1184
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 2: traditional nickel corners in.

1185
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: A tough spot.

1186
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if teams counter by saying, well, the

1187
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: hell with traditional nickel. We're just gonna put three safeties

1188
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: on the field, and one of those guys is gonna

1189
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: line up in the slot for us. So if we

1190
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 2: have an athlete good enough to do that, we're drafting them.

1191
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent, that's exactly what's gonna happen, and

1192
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 4: it's gonna happen on both sides.

1193
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: Right.

1194
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 4: Offenses used to use the small slot receiver that could

1195
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 4: separate against the linebacker. When you put so the defense

1196
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 4: took the linebacker off the field. They put we're gonna

1197
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 4: counter you with a smaller nickel of our own. Well,

1198
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,959
Speaker 4: then offense is said, we're gonna go heavier. We're gonna

1199
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 4: put a bigger receiver in the slot. See if they

1200
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 4: can see if you want to bring your number one

1201
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 4: corner in there. And in the run game, we're gonna

1202
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 4: go heavier personnel. We're gonna make your little nickel tackle.

1203
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 4: And so then defenses what are they doing to counter? Okay,

1204
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 4: we're gonna put a bigger defense defender in the slot now,

1205
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 4: and so you've seen this sort of cat and mouse game.

1206
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 4: It goes back and forth all the time, right between

1207
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 4: the trends of the league on offense, trends of the

1208
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 4: league on defense, trends of league on offense, the response

1209
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 4: on defense. And that's how it should be as one

1210
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 4: of the most fascinating things about the game. I think

1211
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 4: there's two points I would make to the safety aspect

1212
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 4: that you're talking about there and playing three of those guys.

1213
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 4: One is that you the changing the picture that I

1214
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 4: talked about. That's one of the values of that role

1215
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 4: of having three of them on the field speed, without

1216
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 4: sacrificing run defense, without sacrificing tackling, perhaps without sacrificing pass

1217
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 4: rush either. That's more of a component of it now too,

1218
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 4: because everybody's got to be able to blitz. Basically that's

1219
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 4: on the field. Other than unless you're an outside corner,

1220
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 4: you pretty much better be able to bring it, and

1221
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 4: so guys who can that need to be in a

1222
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 4: position to do it because some of these teams are

1223
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 4: playing with the pressure packages and the players in their front.

1224
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 4: The other part that's interesting about it is that in

1225
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 4: today's league, we're what seventy five percent zone coverage, more

1226
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 4: zone coverage than ever before. So it changes the way

1227
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 4: you think about all these positions in a way. That

1228
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 4: slot player has to be able to play man coverage

1229
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 4: in situational ball, but not necessarily. And by situational ball,

1230
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 4: I mean third down, especially third and medium, third and short.

1231
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 4: You know, is a lot of those situations where you're

1232
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 4: gonna see man coverage red zone, right, those are some

1233
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 4: money down situations. You need somebody who can play there well.

1234
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 4: Seattle is the beauty of what they do is even NICKI,

1235
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 4: even Worri and Devin Witherspoon both can play inside. Neither

1236
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 4: really play deep safety, but both can be inside. And

1237
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 4: then both, even though Witherspoon is so small, play like

1238
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 4: linebackers in the right game, and so you lose nothing

1239
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 4: and then you have man coveragtability and zone comfortability and

1240
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 4: the feel with those guys that's pretty hard to replicate,

1241
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 4: But you're one hundred percent right. That is what teams

1242
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 4: are gonna be able to try. And they're gonna say,

1243
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 4: how can I not compromise any of the things I

1244
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 4: do situationally and coverage while also being able to unfirst down,

1245
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 4: roll up with this personnel and play as much dime

1246
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 4: as Seattle played. And it's technically dime, right. But if

1247
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 4: you're saying, if your Nickels play like linebackers and cover

1248
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 4: like corners, you've got the problem fixed. So it's not

1249
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 4: going to be that easy for everybody. There will be

1250
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 4: variations to that. I would say, like teams are gonna

1251
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 4: find hybrid ways to kind of get answers because they

1252
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 4: don't have two players that good. But what Seattle's found

1253
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 4: is pretty special, and that's kind of why it's so special.

1254
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: I think. So this is the first time in maybe

1255
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: almost a decade that the Buffalo Bills are going to

1256
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: put four linebackers out two stand up guys on the ends.

1257
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: They don't have any right, I mean they had, They've

1258
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: played with two linebackers for the last nine years. Once

1259
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: Taron Johnson got on the scene as the Nickel, that

1260
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: seems to going to be changing. For the Bills, They're

1261
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: gonna have to have an edge rusher, They're gonna have

1262
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: to have stand up linebackers three four defense if they

1263
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: indeed go even if they heavy outside linebacker in this draft,

1264
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean, how deep does that roster and does a

1265
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: depth of that go and where would can you still

1266
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, how deep is the first round

1267
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: in edge rusher, stand up outside linebackers. Let's just ask that.

1268
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So it's it's really interesting because if you

1269
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 4: looked at this class through Brandon Bean's lens, you would say, well,

1270
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 4: Caldric Folk, Zion Young, those TJ. Parker, maybe those guys

1271
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 4: are going to be really interesting to him and what

1272
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 4: he wants to do defensively typically, you know, his typical

1273
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 4: draft him. But now you're looking at it through Jim

1274
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 4: Leonard's lens and you're saying, Okay, well, who are the

1275
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 4: guys he's worked with in the past, and like what

1276
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 4: kind of makes just his general defensive philosophy you mentioned

1277
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 4: Mike McDonald, He's somebody who's gonna adhere to a lot

1278
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 4: of things that Mike McDonald tried to do, like he

1279
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 4: Jesse mint or Anthony Weaver, Denard Wilson like, these guys

1280
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 4: are kind of all around the league now getting DC

1281
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 4: jobs and that are going to live in this you know,

1282
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 4: simulation pressure world where everybody in the front is an

1283
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 4: attacking piece or a dropping piece on a given play.

1284
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 4: And so I think with that, having said that, I

1285
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 4: think there's actually a decent amount of players that are

1286
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 4: gonna be kind of appealing to a Buffalo is looking

1287
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 4: for in this first round. You know, probably not in

1288
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 4: the David Bailey range. It sounds like right now we'll

1289
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 4: see a key Messador. I think for Miami is a

1290
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 4: really interesting player. He isn't an unbelievable athlete in the

1291
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 4: sense of like being in space, but man, when you

1292
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 4: put on his tape, they drop him into coverage quite

1293
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 4: a bit, and he makes a ton of plays in coverage.

1294
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 4: He just has great feel and instincts in coverage. And

1295
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 4: then obviously he's a part of the rush game. He

1296
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 4: may have been the best passors in this class. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think the tape between he and Ruben Bain is

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01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 4: really similar from this past year. And I know Baine

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Speaker 4: gets all the hype he came in with more hype

1300
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,759
Speaker 4: and Messador and all the injury history, and he still

1301
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 4: probably has pretty messed up medicals, and I think it's

1302
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 4: gonna be, you know, maybe why he drops, maybe past

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01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 4: the end of the first round. I don't know where

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Speaker 4: will go just because of the medicals. But the tape

1305
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 4: is unbelievable, and he actually has some of that versatility.

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01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 4: I think where you could line him up inside outside,

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01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 4: he could draw up. He could be like a piece,

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01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 4: a hybrid piece of some cross between like the Zach

1309
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 4: Allen and Jonathan Cooper like as type of player where

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01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 4: it's like he's got a little bit of all that

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01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 4: in his game. So he strikes me as somebody that

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01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 4: Leonard are being really intrigued by Cassius Howell from Texas

1313
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 4: A and m wasn't as great when he dropped. I

1314
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 4: didn't think this past season. But he's a really interesting

1315
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 4: player in the short arm thing as part of it.

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01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 4: Benito maybe a little bit short arms in Denver, but

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Speaker 4: I think not quite as short as Howls though, Like

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Speaker 4: that's gonna be a talking point to me. I don't

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01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 4: know how Howl's gonna play run defense, Like that's my

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01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 4: big question in the NFL. He kind of like bsked

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01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 4: his way around it in College, and it was kind

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01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 4: of like, this isn't necessarily gonna work in the league,

1323
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 4: but this guy has unbelievable pass rush ability, Like he

1324
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 4: has such great feel and his burst off the ball

1325
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 4: is banned at the top of the arc is unbelievable,

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01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 4: can run under a table at full speed type of players.

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Speaker 4: So there's guys just in the first round there that

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01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 4: are kind of in that range, or you capt maybe

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Speaker 4: expect some of those things later in the draft. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Joshua Joseph's is a really interesting player that could fit

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01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 4: some of what they're looking for. Romelo Height from Texas Tech,

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01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 4: maybe some sort of hybrid between the things that Bean

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Speaker 4: likes and the things that Leonard wants. And so I'm

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01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 4: like totally locked in, totally fascinated by a Buffalo's approach

1335
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 4: to edge defender's been because I have been worlds apart

1336
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 4: from Bandon Bean and my evaluation of edge defenders for

1337
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 4: a long time where I have been really low on

1338
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 4: a lot of the guys he's taken, and I was

1339
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 4: kind of wrong about Rousseau and probably right about Epins

1340
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 4: and some others. But I think that this year I'm

1341
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 4: so interested to see where the needle moves for him,

1342
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,839
Speaker 4: because there are some of both types in this class,

1343
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 4: and it's going to be fascina to see how much

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01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 4: he gravitates toward what Leonard's kind of worked with in.

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01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 2: The past, Yeah, which is speed demons off the edge.

1346
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to believe that Leonard's looking for,

1347
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 2: you know, Jonathan Cooper's, you know, and Nick Benito's, and

1348
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: so it's hard for me not to gravitate to a

1349
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 2: guy like R. Mason Thomas who looks like that almost exactly.

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01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 2: I mean, heck, he went to Oklahoma. He went to

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01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 2: Oklahoma just like Nick Benito and actually worked with him

1352
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 2: in some off seasons. And I'm watching his tape and

1353
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 2: I know he didn't run a great time, but his

1354
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 2: get off is serious and he actually does play the run.

1355
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 2: I know he played a little hurt this year, so

1356
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 2: his tate might not be outstanding, but he seems like

1357
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: if that if Leonard's looking for Benitos and Cooper's to

1358
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 2: get on the and I will say, John, one thing

1359
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,879
Speaker 2: this Buffalo defense needs desperately is speed.

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Speaker 4: They need it badly, Yeah, and they needed at all levels,

1361
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 4: and there's plenty of it in this class. So you know,

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Speaker 4: I think if they focus his defense.

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Speaker 1: Now we haven't even.

1364
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 4: Talked about wide receiver for Buffalo. I know that's a

1365
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 4: need too, But if they do focus heavily on defense,

1366
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 4: I mean you said it with R. Mason Thomas. You know,

1367
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,799
Speaker 4: the forty I think it is fine probably for this position.

1368
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 4: But PFF has his ten yard split in the eighty

1369
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 4: fourth percentile for edge defenders, and so I think that

1370
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 4: part's more important to me, Like how do you get

1371
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 4: off the ball? I think that part matters way more

1372
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 4: than the forty for this position because how often is

1373
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 4: this position really running forty yards? I really care about

1374
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 4: how do you move over the first ten? And then

1375
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 4: obviously anytime you can add athleticism, it's great. And his

1376
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 4: time was very solid for his position, still just maybe

1377
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 4: not quite to the level that people hope to would. Now,

1378
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 4: the thing you're gonna have to get over and being

1379
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 4: to Brandon Bean is gonna have to get over, is

1380
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 4: that he's just really small for this position. You know,

1381
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 4: a lot of the from a weight perspective, from an

1382
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 4: arm length perspective, from a hand size perspective, like he

1383
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 4: just doesn't have great measurables, and a lot of the

1384
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 4: things that being is gravitated toward in the past. Again,

1385
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 4: aren't there, So would they try to find some common

1386
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 4: you know, David Bailey you know obviously probably won't be

1387
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 4: there like we know, but could be like is like

1388
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 4: the perfect kind of well he's long enough and he's

1389
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 4: big enough, but he also like has the burst off

1390
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 4: the ball and the speed. So who's then, you know,

1391
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 4: facsimile of Bailey later in the class has kind of

1392
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 4: been something That's been spinning around in my head as

1393
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 4: I've looked at it, and ar Mason Thomas has some

1394
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 4: I think he could be great in that defense that

1395
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 4: the question is will being go for it?

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01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1397
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 2: Or he could even slide back from twenty six and

1398
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 2: get him in the top of round two, like I mean,

1399
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 2: I think that's a possibility also, So yeah, I'm just curious.

1400
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 2: I just think Leonard's preferences are going to carry the

1401
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 2: day here and I think it could dramatically change to

1402
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 2: your point, what Bean's going to be looking for and

1403
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 2: compare Garrison to previous years in the Drafty Thanks, John,

1404
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 2: appreciate the time as.

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01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 4: Always, guys, always a pleasure being on with y'all.

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01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 2: All right, we'll catch up with you down the line

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01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: here in the offseason. That's John Ledyard, NFL analyst and

1408
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: founder of Creator, founder and creator of Audibles and Analytics.

1409
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 2: You can find him online. Just do a quick searchual.

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 2: All his stuff will pop up for you. As he

1411
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 2: also examines like emerging trends in the league. We didn't

1412
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 2: really have a chance to get into too much of

1413
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: that with him, but I did with regard to the

1414
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 2: safety conversation, because it's not going to surprise me at all.

1415
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you think about Jordan Hancock last year when

1416
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: he got drafted by the Bills.

1417
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: What did they say he was? They said he was

1418
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 3: a safety.

1419
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 2: Nickel hybrid, and I think a lot of teams are

1420
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 2: going to be after similar safety prospects who can do

1421
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 2: both of those things. And I think the days of

1422
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 2: traditional nickel corners are evaporating right now because of the

1423
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: kinds of players that are getting put in the slot

1424
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 2: and the run games that are targeting them. With offensive

1425
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: linemen pulling around. You need a bigger guy there who's

1426
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: every bit as athletic, and the safety position seems like

1427
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 2: a natural fit for that. So I think more and

1428
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 2: more nickel packages there are going to be three safeties,

1429
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 2: two corners.

1430
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole trend in the league now is moving

1431
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: closer and closer towards these positionless guys who can play safety, corner, slot,

1432
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: all of it, right, And they can so that when

1433
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: the ball before the snap, they're all milling around out

1434
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: there and they're looking like this and the quarterbacks trying

1435
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: to decipher and he's sending guy out and bringing him back,

1436
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: and he's sending that guy out and bringing him back,

1437
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: and he's shifting. And the way the defense reacts is

1438
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: tells the quarterback what the coverage is. Well. Then, so

1439
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: defenses respond to that by getting these guys who can

1440
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: do all of that. You can say, okay, I got him.

1441
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: They're in man coverage, and then you know they make

1442
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: a call and they're not playing man coverage anymore, right,

1443
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: or they are playing man coverage no matter who they're

1444
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: they're guarding. So deception on the defensive side demands a

1445
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: lot of IQ and it demands a lot of poleticism.

1446
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 1: And you know, you start to thin the herd pretty

1447
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: quick when you look for both of those things.

1448
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 2: But there are athletes, as you heard John say, at

1449
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 2: the safety position, they just might not be versatile as

1450
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 2: of yet. But if you think a prospect has the

1451
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: requisite physical skill set and most importantly the stuff between

1452
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: the ears to handle multiple roles, well you might have

1453
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 2: somebody that can really work, even though they may not

1454
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,919
Speaker 2: have shown that on tape in college. It's a projection,

1455
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: but if you're confident in it and confident in the prospect,

1456
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 2: I think there's some teams that are going to take

1457
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 2: a swing because they are desperately searching for that. With

1458
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: the changes on offense, they need to respond defensively. Got

1459
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: to take a break here when we get back more

1460
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 2: of your comments on the tweet sheet. As we're asking you,

1461
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,799
Speaker 2: did the NFL Combine change your thoughts about the Bills

1462
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 2: off season roster build and what it must look like?

1463
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 2: Hit us up on the tweetshet at one Bill's Live.

1464
01:15:54,680 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 2: We'll read your comments next stay with us all right

1465
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 2: back here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Taster

1466
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 2: with you as we have been asking you this afternoon.

1467
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 2: Did the NFL Combine change your thoughts about the Bills

1468
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 2: off season roster bild? Maybe you believe there's plenty of

1469
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 2: talent in the draft, we can go easy in free

1470
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 2: agency and not overspend and get enough talent there to

1471
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 2: fill the necessary holes.

1472
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 3: Or maybe you feel the other way.

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01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 2: There's no elite blue chip talent and the Bills need

1474
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 2: superstar caliber talent. They're gonna have to overpay for some

1475
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 2: of that in free agency. You let us know which

1476
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 2: way you're leaning at One Bill's live on Twitter or

1477
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 2: x or whatever you call it. And the latest comment

1478
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 2: on the tweets sheet comes from Clint who says, seeing

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01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:00,040
Speaker 2: Mike Washington junior born in Rochester running the f he

1480
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 2: asked it's forty for running backs. Also seeing NFL dot

1481
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 2: Com giving these wide receiver prospects lower to middle grades

1482
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 2: to be okay receivers in the league. So he sees that,

1483
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,839
Speaker 2: and I would tend to think he might be bullish

1484
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 2: on the running back class, but not as much on

1485
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 2: the wide receiver class.

1486
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 3: Here's the problem.

1487
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 2: If you haven't been drafting receivers every year just as

1488
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 2: a constant matter of practice, and one or two wash out,

1489
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: maybe another suffers a career threatening injury, you suddenly have

1490
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 2: a shortage at the position and you may need to

1491
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 2: overpay in free agency just to refortify your roster. And

1492
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 2: it would seem to me that the Bills could be

1493
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 2: in such a position.

1494
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a problem. They've got a lot going on

1495
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: this offseason. And as we've been talking off and on

1496
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: throughout this process of head coaching changes, as the combine,

1497
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: as the defensive coordinator change, the defensive philosophy change, and

1498
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: the and the injuries they had this year that were

1499
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,799
Speaker 1: crushing for the roster. The defensive side of the ball

1500
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: was put together with Spit and Staples, and you know

1501
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: they lost their best two pass rushers in that Oliver

1502
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: and Michael Hoyt, who played all of a half together.

1503
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: They played two quarters of football together. So think about

1504
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: from where they sit. If you're sitting in the in

1505
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: the the draft room, you're not even sure of your

1506
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: best players on that side of the ball. Hoyton, Oliver,

1507
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: you don't even know what you got, and now you

1508
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: gotta build it all from screen. You know, how, how

1509
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,759
Speaker 1: do you even go about evaluating those guys? You gotta,

1510
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: you gotta. Jim Leonard and all his guys are gonna

1511
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: go in. They're gonna scour the tape. They're gonna watch

1512
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: every play. They're gonna watch every defensive player on every

1513
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: defensive play all season and some practice tape as well,

1514
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: and they're gonna formulate opinions on these guys, say thumbs up,

1515
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: thumbs down. That's it. I mean, it's no more complicated

1516
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 1: than that. And they gotta what they think about their players.

1517
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: Is where Brandon Bean's job begins. Oh my god, that's

1518
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't want to never want to coach.

1519
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 1: You're never finished. The job is never done. M h.

1520
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 3: You're always going.

1521
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: You're like a You're like a brick mason who has

1522
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: to build the wall, continually build the wall, like you

1523
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: like your Pink floy song. You just gotta put another

1524
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 1: brick in the wall. You just gotta keep watching more tape.

1525
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: There's another guy to watch. Oh yeah, there's three more guys.

1526
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: I want you to take a look at. Now, what

1527
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: about this guy here? What if we to do with

1528
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: the guys we already have? Are we gonna do this?

1529
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's unbelievable and and you only get an

1530
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: inkling of it now when you know, when we have

1531
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: when we realize that they got to start from scratch,

1532
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 1: which is kind of what they do every year anyway,

1533
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: even under the most, under the most, you know, when

1534
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: they have the most continuity, they still do it this way.

1535
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 3: I'm just.

1536
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 2: It's crazy fascinated by how it's gonna twist and turn,

1537
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 2: because it's gonna be different, because the requirements of the

1538
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 2: new defensive scheme are going to be different. The preferences

1539
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 2: of Jim Leonard and the kind of player he wants

1540
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 2: at those respective positions is going to be different, and

1541
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 2: that in turn will to some degree, not holistically, but

1542
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 2: to some degree change the approach that Brandon Bean takes

1543
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 2: in the draft and in a free agency.

1544
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: Even even if the approach was exactly the same as

1545
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: it always has been, and I'm not thinking he's gonna

1546
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: turn his whole philosophy on his ear, But even if

1547
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: everything was the same, this draft class is unique, as

1548
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: they all are, and you may able to get be

1549
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: able to get an elite player at a position that's

1550
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: not a money finger quotes a money position, like you

1551
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: may be able to get a fantastic safety, like a

1552
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 1: decade long player for your team in the first round,

1553
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 1: but you won't be able to get a corner or

1554
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: an edge rusher you know, or pass rusher on any

1555
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: of those guys. You may get a stand up off

1556
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: the ball linebacker.

1557
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 2: Those seem to run relatively deep.

1558
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: But you know those guys, I mean, yeah, they move

1559
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 1: the needle a little bit. Safeties don't. They never have

1560
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: as good as they are. Ed Reid didn't move the

1561
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: needle when the Baltimore Ravens picked him, and he may

1562
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: be the best safety to ever strap it on. I mean,

1563
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: it's just hard to do it from that spot. Let's go. Yeah,

1564
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: this is I'm we're way deep in the weeds on

1565
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: this when these question marks.

1566
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 2: Back to the tweet sheeet where Ken says the combine's

1567
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 2: only useful if it doesn't confirm what you thought in

1568
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 2: scouting and film study. In that case, more must be

1569
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 2: considered and weighed. Well, yeah, I think that's kind of assumed.

1570
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 2: Like if you like what you see on tape and

1571
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: then you go to the combine and you don't feel

1572
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 2: that what you're looking at looks the same and forces

1573
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 2: you to go back and do your work again, especially

1574
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 2: if you're disappointed. If you're impressed, you're probably doing the

1575
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 2: same thing. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I had this

1576
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 2: guy with a third round grade and he is jumping

1577
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 2: forty three inches and he looks great in the position.

1578
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 2: Drills and man he knocked it out of the park

1579
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,799
Speaker 2: in the interview setting. This kid is quick as a whip,

1580
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 2: super smart. I gotta look at his tape again. I

1581
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: might have to bump his grade up a half around

1582
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 2: so that tracks both ways. And you know, by the

1583
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 2: way a lot of these kids performed over the last week,

1584
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 2: a lot of guys are getting looked at to see

1585
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 2: if they need to up the grade, not down it.

1586
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: There's a ton of things that happen. And some of

1587
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, they are exactly physically who these

1588
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: teams think they are. They fly through the medicals, they

1589
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 1: test great, they look the same, and then they sit

1590
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: down and look the kid in the eye and it's like,

1591
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, he's he's a lunatic, right, I'm has

1592
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: he been arrested? I mean that kind of stuff. I mean,

1593
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: the guy's like, what's your dude, what's your problem? What

1594
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: are you doing? We're here to ask you some questions.

1595
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: What are you talking? You know, they get in there

1596
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: and they they're off their rocker literally oh yeah. So

1597
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: it's like ah, and the coaching staffs in there going, man,

1598
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't what, no, I mean, he's a great nice

1599
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 1: this guy. No just say take him off the board.

1600
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 1: I mean that happens. So, yes, He's right, the combine

1601
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 1: can confirm, it can change. They hold the combine for

1602
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: a reason. They want to find out everything they can

1603
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 1: about these guys, and and in large measure they do,

1604
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: and a lot of it's not attractive.

1605
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:41,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1606
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 2: So I think in general, though most of these prospects

1607
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 2: nowadays knows what's at stake at the NFL Combine, a

1608
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 2: lot of them are coached up, as we know, particularly

1609
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 2: for the interview settings, which is why we heard how

1610
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 2: head coach Joe Brady threw some curveballs at some of

1611
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 2: the players that were interview. Jordan Tyson, the Arizona Statewide receiver,

1612
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 2: referenced it specifically, and we'll tell you about what that

1613
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 2: practice involved by coach Joe Brady and what his ultimate

1614
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 2: aim was when we return here on One Bill's Live

1615
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 2: presented by Collida Health.

1616
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 3: All right, back here on One.

1617
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,799
Speaker 2: Bills Live, one segment a goo here on a Monday,

1618
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: Chris Brown Steve Tasker with you, asking you for your

1619
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 2: thoughts on the combine and if it impacts your view

1620
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 2: of how the roster should be reconstructed this offseason for

1621
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 2: the Bills, and we mentioned that, you know, players go

1622
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 2: through rehearsals for these interviews at the combine. Their agents

1623
01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 2: sit them down with HR professionals, have them go through

1624
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 2: a mock interview and some of the questions that they

1625
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: might be asked. So a lot of them are very

1626
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 2: rehearsed when they get into those rooms with those NFL

1627
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 2: clubs and teams make an effort to throw curveballs and

1628
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: get him off track to get more honest answers. And

1629
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 2: Joe Brady told us when he was on our show

1630
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 2: last week in Indy that he planned to throw some

1631
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 2: curveballs at players. Jordan Tyson, the Arizona state wide receiver

1632
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 2: who confirmed he interviewed with the Bills, said that Joe

1633
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 2: Brady tried to throw them some curveballs, but he felt

1634
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:41,839
Speaker 2: he hit him all. But I think Joe Brady's intent

1635
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 2: there is all right, he's expecting question A, B, and C.

1636
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to mess around with him as soon as

1637
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 2: he gets in the room and maybe have him stop

1638
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 2: thinking about what his first or second answer might be

1639
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 2: and get a better feel for the guy. And then

1640
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 2: once we have him loose, then we hit him with

1641
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 2: his anger question. And I think that was his approach,

1642
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 2: because if you remember I asked him when we had

1643
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 2: him sitting between us, you've been a coordinator in the

1644
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 2: past with this club, and a lot of times you've

1645
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 2: been asked to lead the interview. You know, usually it's

1646
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 2: an assistant coach or a position coach or a coordinator

1647
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 2: leading the interview with a player, and then the the

1648
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 2: head coach and the GM sit in the back of

1649
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 2: the room like flies on the wall, and they just

1650
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 2: take notes.

1651
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 3: They look at his demeanor.

1652
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 2: They're less focused on his answer and maybe more focused on,

1653
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: you know, how he's behaving, what's his interaction level, is

1654
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 2: their eye contact, body language, all of that stuff. But

1655
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 2: Joe said, no, I'm not just going to sit like

1656
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 2: a fly on the wall. I have a few things

1657
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 2: that I want to throw into the conversation. And it

1658
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 2: was clear to me his aim was to disrupt the

1659
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 2: normal tenor of a give and take Q and a interview.

1660
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 2: He wanted to interrupt, joke around, you know, maybe kind

1661
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 2: of pull a play out from their past and say, hey, man,

1662
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 2: I love John all those touchdowns, what about this play?

1663
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 2: You know, it might be him blocking on a run

1664
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 2: play if he's a receiver for example, like Jordan Tyson,

1665
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 2: and so it seemed like there was and I'm sure

1666
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 2: the other teams do this also. They want to get

1667
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 2: that interview subject off track because they feel they get

1668
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 2: more realistic answers from them about who they really are

1669
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 2: when they have them loose because of a joke you

1670
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 2: told at the beginning or something like that.

1671
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 3: What do you think.

1672
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to get them off script, no question,

1673
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 1: and they want to get them off script about whatever

1674
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: the topic is. They want to get them off script

1675
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: about their family, off script, about their play style, they're

1676
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: play off script about what they like about football, off

1677
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: script about what's important to them. And amazingly for a

1678
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: lot of people to hear this, when these guys are

1679
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: interviewing for these jobs that are worth millions of dollars, right,

1680
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: some of them are doing it for the money. And

1681
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 1: that's not a good thing. Right, It's not a good thing.

1682
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 2: And that's that's who they're trying to weed out.

1683
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

1684
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 3: I remember, I think you told me the story.

1685
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 2: But there was a player he was asked, you know,

1686
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 2: what's his ultimate goal and he said to get to

1687
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 2: the NFL. Yeah, that's the wrong answer. It's a wrong

1688
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 2: answer because if you're a team and the guy's goal

1689
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: is to get to the NFL. Once he's here, what's

1690
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 2: he gonna do. Is he gonna work hard?

1691
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: No, he made it.

1692
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 3: He reached his goal. He made it to the NFL.

1693
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 1: That's right.

1694
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 2: Whether he has one reception or none, he's happy he

1695
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 2: made it.

1696
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,520
Speaker 1: And they shut it down, and that's their careers.

1697
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:23,719
Speaker 3: Things you gotta weed through.

1698
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm off for a little vay K.

1699
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 2: Steve's gonna be in here with some multitude of hosts.

1700
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:36,759
Speaker 2: He'll see you tomorrow at one