1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,439 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 2: Bucky back with you. Buck. 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 3: How are we doing, my friend, man, I am doing well. DJ. 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Like it's so crazy that the Hall of Fame game 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: is right upon us. I mean, it's right here. We've 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: got to go through it and we say it. I 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: feel like every time on the podcast, I was downhill. 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Now we had to get through the first couple of 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: weeks of training camp, but once you get to that 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: first preseason game, I mean, you know how it goes. 12 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: It flows, the train is always on schedule, and so 13 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: now we're in it and I can't wait. 14 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's exciting. We get we get games. 15 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: As we're recording this, we are one day away, so 16 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: we'll have a game tomorrow night, which is something we're 17 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: going to touch on today on the pod. Well look, look, 18 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: we know the big guys aren't playing that game, but 19 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: it's a chance to talk about those two teams. When 20 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: you think about the Jets, think about the Cleveland Browns expectations, 21 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: what we're here and there, I'm going to be out. Gosh, 22 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: I've got Philly and Pittsburgh next week where you or 23 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: do you have coming up? Buck? I know you go 24 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 2: back to Minnesota. Where else you're going. 25 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: Yes, So I'm going to see the Niners tomorrow, then 26 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: I got Minnesota over the weekend, and then next week 27 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: I get a chance to go up and see the 28 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. So I'm really excited about all this stuff. 29 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 3: No, that's great. 30 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: So we'll have again once we get out to these camps. 31 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: We'll give you what we got from there. Got great 32 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: feedback from the last one. People enjoyed some of those 33 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: stories and information we were able to gather from our 34 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: previous spots, So continue to do that as as we 35 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: go along the way here. So we'll touch on this 36 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame gam what we're looking for there, what 37 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: to expect from those two teams. Also going to talk 38 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: about some rookies ye're looking forward to watching in the 39 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: preseason because we will see these guys. We'll see these 40 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: young guys out there for a quarter or two and 41 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: we'll see them get a little more work than these veterans. 42 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: So I think those are the ones you pay attention 43 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: to in the preseason. So we'll get to all that 44 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: stuff as we go along, but I want to start out, Buck, 45 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 2: and as we get going here the role of social media, 46 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: how much different it is now versus you know, when 47 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: we were scouting. We've been out of it a decade, 48 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: a little over a decade each. It's different in terms 49 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: of remember when like there was rumors you always would 50 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: worry about, man, are they going to send somebody like 51 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: kind of undercover to be in the stands in an 52 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: open practice, and you know, you didn't want anybody knowing anything, 53 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: and it would just be we'd have to read the 54 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 2: sports scans. Remember those sports scans would be super thick, 55 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: me two inches thick of clips for every article written 56 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: on every team. They'd be sorted alphabetically by the team. 57 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: I used to have to print those things out and 58 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: put them on GM's desk Pro Director's desk every every 59 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 2: day when I first got into the league. And then 60 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: you'd you would assign different scouts to different teams, and 61 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: you'd literally would be reading every day about oh, this 62 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: young guy made some plays and pri you're just going 63 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: off the off what you read now, Buck, Like every 64 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: single day, you could get on Twitter right now or 65 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: X whatever we call that thing and you'll see, uh, 66 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: You'll see hundreds of clips of players uh, and and 67 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: get a chance to see what they look like, not 68 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: just read what they look like. 69 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: DJ's funny how much assets teams are living. 70 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: There's social media teams and those things, and they're tweeting 71 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: things out and even though they try and do a 72 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: good job of the way they cut it so you 73 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: can't really see formations and those things, there's a lot 74 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: that you can glean based on some of the clips 75 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: that are being put out. You can see who's catching ball, 76 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: you see who's running, you see the guys that are playing. 77 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: It used to be a secret who's playing well, but 78 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: now it seems like everyone is highlighting the players that 79 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: are doing really well and some of the obscure players 80 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: kind of find their way into the cycle. So yeah, 81 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: unlike yesteryear when you did have to scour the newspapers 82 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: and kind of dig through all the stuff on the internet, man, 83 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: you can go through your phone and just kind of 84 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: look at Instagram and those things and kind of. 85 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: Know who's who and what's what when it comes to 86 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: your favorite team, no doubt. 87 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: And to give you an example, when you're with the 88 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: team and your scout even when your college scout, they'll 89 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: give you two teams. And we've talked about this a 90 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: little bit in the past. It give you two teams 91 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: the covert or in training camp. So you would try 92 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: and read every article every day on those teams, learn 93 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: what you can learn, and then you would go out. 94 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: We would go out to those preseason games. Used to 95 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: be four, so we usually go out to three of 96 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: them and try and take your folder and write down 97 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: their names. You write down when they got into the game, 98 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: so you could go back to the tape and be 99 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: able to fast forward and find it. It was hard scouting, 100 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: like you had to really lock in on, you know, 101 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: trying to evaluate you had liked guys, no. 102 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: Can can go. Can't spend a lot a lot of 103 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: time and halftime trying to eat. You gotta be in 104 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: your see you got to know because that kickoff coverage 105 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: team trying to take out who's on kickoff? Oh, write 106 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: those numbers down and trying to see yes. 107 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: And you'll be there with the other scouts from other 108 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: teams who are looking at the same exact player as 109 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 2: you were. So you try and help each other out 110 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: a little bit, like oh hey, hey, hey, that that 111 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: seventh round Picktures came in the same linebackers. He's he's 112 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: supposed they have him on the flip card is forty six, 113 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: but he's wearing forty eight. Uh, you know like that 114 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: that type stuff that that was stressful. Now you can 115 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: pull up the preseason tape. You can type in the 116 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: player's name playtime. You'll see every snap that he played, 117 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: you can see every target, everything. So it's way more 118 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: efficient that way. But I also think the next layer 119 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: to that. If I was, you know, a pro direct 120 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: at this point in time, with the technology that we have, 121 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: I would say, hey, look, here's the list of the 122 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: names you have. You're gonna watch every snap that they 123 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: play in the preseason. But you need to go through 124 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: and pump each of these names individually into social media 125 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: search engines, and you might see ten different practice plays 126 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 2: that have been posted not only by this by the team, 127 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: maybe by fans. If you just type on that player's name, 128 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: the team doesn't know that you're posting these one on ones, 129 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: and now I can see, Okay, man, this guy looks 130 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: like he can run, but man, he only got two 131 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: targets in the preseason, And all of a sudden, I 132 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 2: can pull up all these social media clips and I 133 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: can see fifteen to twenty one on one reps. 134 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: You know who I could have used that for. 135 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: So, I don't know, I've never told his story, this story, 136 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: so doing that preseason scouting, the Charges. 137 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: Were my team just when they were in San Diego. 138 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: So my former college coach, one of the coaches, Tim 139 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: Brewster's coaching tight ends. 140 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: Antonio is it Antonio Gates story? 141 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: So on the like number forty nine comes in, so 142 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: you go and you look rude, like there's no information down. 143 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: It's like again't state like undrafted free agents. So you 144 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: go in there you see he comes in, he plays 145 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: like the last little bit of the fourth quarter, so 146 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: you kind of like you know, you're doing that that 147 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: flashcouting like run around or whatever. So you remember writing 148 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: in like five zero like ah, you know, priority. 149 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: Free, like he's fine, fine, he's fine. 150 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: And then years later, right like two years later, after 151 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: he's blowing up, you're like, wait a minute, that was him. 152 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: And then I'm mad if I got brew like, brew 153 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: you didn't tell me that he's this guy book, I 154 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: told you he was a basketball player. 155 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 3: I'm like no. 156 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: But like those instances when look, the stadium is mostly barren. 157 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 3: There's no one paying attention. It's three minutes left. 158 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: Everyone is kind of like packing up their stuff, and 159 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: you got these guys running around that you. 160 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: Have to pay attention to. 161 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: And so that's why it's important to Antonio Gates of 162 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: the world some of the other guys that have been 163 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: undrafted that kind of made their mark. 164 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: Those guys come into these preseason games and. 165 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: You want to have your eyes on them and like 166 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: that two or three minutes they may not do anything, 167 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: but if you can catch what we're talking about social 168 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: media some of the practice clips, who's hot, who's buzzing, 169 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: it might kind of lead you to the water a 170 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: little bit, so you're ready to drink. 171 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: Can I give listeners and fans a little caution here 172 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: is this is my from experience cautionary note to you 173 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: because you are probably doing what we're talking about. You 174 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: are following all your teams, writers, reporters, you're looking at 175 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: the team sites, you're seeing videos. Let me just give 176 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: you this little thing that's going to calm your nerves. Here. 177 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: If you have drafted an offensive lineman or a corner Okay, 178 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: those are the two positions that will cause panic in 179 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: training camp because you know why, if I'm an offensive 180 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,119 Speaker 2: tackle and I'm a first round pick or a second 181 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: round pick, and I have ten to one on ones 182 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: and nine of them I do just fine, But on 183 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: the tenth one, I get my butt kicked. Guess which 184 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: play gets circulated on social media. It's the one where 185 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: you got your butt caped. It's the same thing with 186 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: a corner. You could hold up fine for five six reps. 187 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you get a veteran receiver, he 188 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: gets you, and you look bad. Now, all of a sudden, 189 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: there's a handful of plays that start circulating on social media. 190 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: You start freaking out. So I would just say, hey, 191 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: be patient. First of all, those two positions usually take 192 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: a little time to develop. But also I think those 193 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: are the positions where you can take you a needle 194 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: and a haystack mistake and it can get blown way up. 195 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you absolutely have to. 196 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: You have to treat all of that with like some caution, 197 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: Like you don't want to be overly optimistic on all 198 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: these guys, because it's a marathon, not a sprint. And 199 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: DJ we've seen guys that start out training camp. They 200 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: are hot, they're on fire. They're making every play. But 201 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: then as you get into the games and as you 202 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: get near the end of camp, sometimes they lose their 203 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: way in those things, and so you want to keep notes, 204 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: but you want to just keep kind of like a 205 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: level head and even keel when it comes to the approach, 206 00:08:58,559 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: and then at the end of the training camp just 207 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: kind of see how many good days they stacked up there. 208 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: But it's tough right now because everyone's excited. You're in 209 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: the moment and you're looking for that that diamond in 210 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: the rough. But you kind of want to proceed with 211 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: caution because once the real games happen, meaning the preseason games, 212 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: and as they get into it, guys sometimes change. So 213 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: you just want to make sure games matter a little 214 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: more than practices when it comes to the performance. 215 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would say, you know, we're talking about 216 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: don't get carried away with a negative rep for an 217 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: offensive lineman or a corner. On the other side of it, 218 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 2: you can if you look at the positions those guys 219 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: are going up against. You're a defensive lineman who gets 220 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: his butt kicked for nine reps, but then has that 221 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: one win that gets popped out there, and you think 222 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: you just drafted Bruce Smith. And then there's also the 223 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 2: wide receiver who makes you know, a one handed catch, 224 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: but you haven't seen him run the wrong route five times. 225 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: You haven't seen him you know, clank a ball off 226 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 2: his chest, you know things like that. So I think 227 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: those those are the positions that I would say slow down. 228 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: And then I would also say running back in safety. 229 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: I'm talking to a GM two days ago and I 230 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: was asking him about guys on their roster and we're 231 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: going through going through them, and I asked him about 232 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: a running back and he's like, we haven't played games yet. Like, 233 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: you can't evaluate that position in training camp. You just can't. 234 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: They're not getting touched. So we got to see this 235 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: young guy run in a preseason game and then we'll 236 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: get a better feel for him. And then the same 237 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: with safety. It's really it's hard to evaluate that position 238 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: until we get out in the field because, as we've 239 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: discussed before, you have safeties that can't tackle, they can't play. 240 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: You know, it's a cover league, we get that. But 241 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: this this new, this new offensive approach that we see 242 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: has has changed it now because they are going to 243 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: put your safeties in corners and they're going to put 244 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: them in support positions and they are going to make 245 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: those guys tackle. 246 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: You have to you have to tackle. 247 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: And that's the thing before we dismiss guys, particularly cornerbacks, 248 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: we say, oh he's a cover corner. You can't play 249 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: with those guys anymore, because they show up and they 250 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: show up in the critical moments where you need someone 251 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: to be able to get a player. 252 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: It's an outside zone league. It's outside his own leak. 253 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: Guys have to be able to tackle. They got to 254 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: be able to be willing to put the face in 255 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: the fan. And it's one of the things that I 256 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: know on our podcast we've talked about, like now you 257 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: have to grade the tackling when you're looking at college prospects. 258 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: You have to talk about whether they put their face 259 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: in the fan or they come up and hit, and 260 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: are they a willing tackler? 261 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: Are there ankle biter? Are they a guy that can 262 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 3: thump and wrap up? 263 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: All of that stuff matters, And so yeah, I mean, 264 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: like the way the game has become, it is a 265 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: space league, and your guys have to be able to 266 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: tackle one on one in space, take good angles, and 267 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: they have to be willing to do all of that 268 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: with the level of urgency, so you don't give up 269 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: these big plays on yat plays. 270 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna hit you up with a couple 271 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 2: questions on a couple of things just along this social 272 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: media front that have popped up in training camp, and 273 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: I just get your thoughts on them, like buy and selling, worried, concerned, excited, whatever, Right, 274 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: you're ready to go? 275 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: Yep, all right, let's go. 276 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: George Pickens had an unbelievable catch was that was thrown 277 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: out there over Joey Porter Jr. They gave him a 278 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: little extra afterwards. You wouldn't done against Joey Porter Senior 279 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: because Joey Porter Senior would have been throwing hands at 280 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: that point in time. But just to catch from him 281 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: what we saw last year him and pick it together 282 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: another year, are you? Are you kind of in and 283 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: buying on this huge upside here with Pickinson. 284 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: Already buying pickings before the heroics that we've seen during 285 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: training camp. You saw last year he's beginning to flash 286 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: and come on like game busters. The other thing we 287 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: know the pad degree of the Pittsburgh Steel is when 288 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: it comes to drafting wide receivers outside of the first round. 289 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: I mean it's almost like they don't miss, like they 290 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: know exactly what they want. 291 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: They find guys that can do it. 292 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: We saw he was super talented at Georgia, had knee 293 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: injury and all those other things, but the talent was 294 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: never something that you could call in the question. Well, 295 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: now you have him growing in confidence and still just 296 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: feeding him. Yeah, he's legit. I think he'll end up 297 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: being the number one. And I know that as saying 298 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: a lot after they paid Deontay Johnson, But this dude 299 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: is the real deal on the perimeter. 300 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, number one wide receiver's probably 301 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: a phrase that maybe's overused because I don't we don't 302 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: have thirty two number one wide receivers. He might be 303 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: the best guy on your team, but you're not in 304 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: This guy is like he can be a number one, 305 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: Like he's got that type of ability. 306 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not only that type of ability is to 307 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: just to are did he creates and how he makes 308 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: you react On defense, Defensive coordinators will quickly fear him 309 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: because he can make the big plays down the field. 310 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: He can win in the red zone. 311 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: We see the acrobatic catches that he makes almost on 312 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: a routine basis, and he has become a really savvy 313 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: route runner. You put all those things together, man, it 314 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: makes you a really, really difficult guard. That's one of 315 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: the reasons why I believe he can be a number 316 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: one in this league. 317 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. So that's one thing. I think we're 318 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: both on the same page. We're both buying there. This 319 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: next one, it's been a little bit mixed, I would say, 320 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 2: But Trey Lance, I know our friend Mike Silver, former colleague, 321 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: had written something about how he was basically, you know, 322 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: the forgotten man. He's so far down the depth chart. 323 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: Who knows if you know he'll be on the team 324 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: type doom and gloom there, you're gonna get up there 325 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 2: and see him, so you'll have a better chance to 326 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: figure that out. At that point in time, it seems like, man, 327 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: this is a this seems a little early to be 328 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 2: going here. That's it. 329 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it seems like there's been a rush 330 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: of judgment with trade. And I get it because he 331 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: was drafted early. But what happened DJ and we said 332 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: it when he was coming out, like he was gonna 333 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: need time, he's gonna need down the red shirt. 334 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: There were a couple of things that were working against him. 335 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: He didn't really play his final season. 336 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: He's playing at a smaller school against lesser competition, and 337 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: despite taking him three no matter where you took him, 338 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,359 Speaker 1: those things are the things that he had to overcome. 339 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 3: You then redshirt him. 340 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: Basically, he comes back, he gets hurt, so before we 341 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: really know what he is, he hasn't played enough to 342 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: be able to make outside of the assessment and DJ 343 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: and I know people say, yeah, but he's been in practice. 344 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: You've been able to watch him every day, But there's 345 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: a difference in practices and in games, and until you 346 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: really have an opportunity to watch him in game, I 347 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: don't know how you can give him any other grade 348 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: outside of incomplete. And so I know there's kind of 349 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: like this rush to dump him and say that, hey man, 350 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: they flubbed on the pick and they messed up the 351 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: pick or whatever. But we've seen quarterbacks develop in different stages. 352 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: Is like, they's just a different thing. I think, if 353 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: you're denied it, you've already paid him, So what's the 354 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: point keep and cutting them. You might as well keep 355 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: him and see if he can develop into something before 356 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: you quote unquote cut your losses. 357 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've always used the analogy with quarterbacks, and it's 358 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: a great one. You talk about shooters and scorers, right, 359 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: you got guys that can really shoot the ball, you know, 360 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: we're talking about guys that can really just kind of 361 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: get the ball out to where it needs to go. 362 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: And then there's guys that are scorers more ability to create, 363 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: you know, I think when you have a roster in 364 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: a different place, like for example, if the forty nine 365 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: ers was kind of a middle of the road roster, 366 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: I think Trey Lance, they'd be more excited about him 367 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: because he's gonna be able to make plays outside of 368 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: the of the lines on the playbook. I think they 369 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: have so much talent at the skill positions, and Shanahan's 370 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: so confident in what he knows upstairs and how he 371 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: can manipulate teams and defenses that I you know, I 372 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: think just for where they are right now, he's sitting 373 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: there saying like I don't need anybody to make wild 374 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: plays and creative, like I just need the ball to 375 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: get accurately from point A to point B so I 376 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: can get the ball on Christian McCaffrey's hands. Deebo Samuel's hans, 377 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: George Kittle's hands, Brandon Eyyuk's hands, Kyle yus Check's hands, 378 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: like those are the stars, like the stars of the system. 379 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: Are those guys not the quarterbacks. So Trey Lance at 380 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: this point time in his development, I could understand him, 381 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: you know, I could understand saying Okay, well, man, he's 382 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: not maybe his pinpoint accurate, and you know, some of 383 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: the run after catch won't be able to take quite 384 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: as advantage of, and maybe he doesn't see things quite 385 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: as clearly. Versus if you didn't have all those other 386 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: skill guys, you'd be more excited saying, man, look at 387 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: these three four plays at practice where it broke down 388 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: and he ran and made a play or he took 389 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: off and hit a big chunk down the field. So 390 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of I think that's where I 391 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: am looking at that. 392 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 3: No, I mean, that's that's the challenge. 393 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: That's the challenge when you have a guy, particularly coming 394 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: off the heels of listening to that podcast we talked 395 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: about it, like listen to their podcast to play callers 396 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: in your year, Kyle Shanahan talk like, you know, like 397 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a lot of patience for the guys 398 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: that can't make his vision. 399 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: Of plays come to life. 400 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: And so if Trey Lance is struggling, you can see 401 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: where you grow frustrated, particularly if brock Perdy can look 402 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: allow him to be the joystick play the video game. Hey, 403 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: you just get it here, I'll make it right for you. 404 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: With Trey Lance. We can talk about the creativity that 405 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: it can bring. We talk about the running ability and 406 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: all those things that he adds. But if you're right, 407 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: if you have a Christian McCaffrey or George Kittle, you 408 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: have Brandon iyk and some of the other weapons that 409 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: the Niners have, you can get away with the game manager. 410 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: Here's where to catch up to you though, when you 411 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: get into those games, those championship games in the Super Bowl, 412 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: when the quarterback really really matters. We've seen how Pat 413 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: Mahomes played, how Jalen Hurst played in the Super Bowl, 414 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: how Joe Burrow played in the championship game in Super Bowl. Like, 415 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: when you get to that final four, you've got to 416 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: have an elite quarterback because I can't think of the 417 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: last time that a non elite quarterback won a Super Bowl. 418 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: Do we have a I mean, do we have a 419 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: real example of someone that we did not consider elite, 420 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: the one that played in the Super Bowl. 421 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: I mean Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan was an m v P. 422 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: He was, but he was in this Shanahan system. I 423 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: wouldn't say that he was elite. Elite as a player, 424 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 2: how do you say that? But the guy was an 425 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: m v P pick. 426 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. 427 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 2: True, Like I mean, obviously didn't even win the game. 428 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: They blew a three, eight to three lead, but he 429 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: played and and all of that. 430 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: And we've talked about the system, how the system can 431 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: turn average players in the Pro Bowlers Pro Bowls in. 432 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: The Jimmy Garoppolo hit. If Jimmy Garoppo hit Emmanuel Sanders, 433 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: maybe one the story. 434 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 3: You would have been, you would have been, you would 435 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: have been you would have been the one that we 436 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: could talk about. 437 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: But so that's the thing, And so I think this 438 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: has to be one where as the front officer, even 439 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: though Kyle Shanahan may have the juice, this has to 440 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: be one of the front offices. Hey man, let's just 441 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: still have a long term view. Let's not do whatever. 442 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: The quarterback position is such a valuable thing. We brought 443 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: in Sam Donald great, like he's a reclamation project. If 444 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: it pop's great, But why not be in the business 445 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: of holding on to quarterbacks who might display potential? And 446 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: as I've said, the money you've already paid to Trey Lance, 447 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: So what's the benefit of getting rid of him at 448 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: this point? I think you just have to play it out, 449 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: develop him, and who knows what could turn out if 450 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: he gets an opportunity to ever play. 451 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to ask you a follow up 452 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: question on that. Then we're going to take a quick 453 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: break here because we don't have too much time left. 454 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: But betting on the future, and let's go let's say five, 455 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 2: let's go way into the future, five years from now. 456 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: If I told you you could only buy Zach Wilson 457 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: or Trey Lance, who would you buy? 458 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: I would buy Zach Wilson at this point. And the 459 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: reason why is it's really quiet in New York about 460 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. Right, it's been really quiet since Aaron Rodgers 461 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: got there. You haven't heard the negativity about Zach Wilson 462 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: that you're hearing about Trey Lance. So to me, a 463 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: few things have happened. One Zack Wilson gets an opportunity 464 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: to play with his idol, Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers has 465 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: come to New York and wanting to be the teacher 466 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: because maybe he sees Zach Wilson as look the pupil 467 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: that I can teach, and if he plays well, it 468 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: eliminates all that negative. 469 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: Stuff about me. I think the Jets are still saying, look, 470 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: we took the guy number two. We now have this thing. 471 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: It's not pressure on us to put him on the field, 472 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 1: so let's pour into him a little bit and develop him. 473 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: I think the situations are such that Zach Wilson would 474 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to be the starter again in New 475 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: York before Trey Lance would have that opportunity in San Francisco. 476 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: To me, the reason why I would lean towards Zach 477 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: is because Zach's had the benefit of playing a bunch. 478 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: Now it hasn't gone well, but he's had a chance 479 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: to learn these lessons on the field. Now his you know, 480 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,719 Speaker 2: his reputation has been hurt, his confidence has been hit, 481 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 2: but at least he's had a chance to learn those lessons, 482 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: and he's starting from further on down the road, whereas 483 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: Trey has taken all this criticism and bullets from what 484 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: he's done on the practice field, Like he hasn't even 485 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: got a chance to get on the field. 486 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: Which is unprecedented. Really, we're making a. 487 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: Decision to talk about cutting crazy just off of like 488 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: hearsay in speculation off the practice field. He's played four games. 489 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: They've had some success when he's been on the field. 490 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: We saw early not last year, but the year before. 491 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 2: We one of those four games in a monsoon, right, 492 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: so we don't even we. 493 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: Don't even know. 494 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: That's why the grade has to be incomplete on him, 495 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: and so and I'm saying this, And look, man, I understand, 496 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: like the draft gage is a graft date, so we 497 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: put that aside. But I'm just saying, as a quarterback 498 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: in the league where you talk about supplying the me 499 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: in where there aren't many quarterbacks, the last thing I'm 500 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: gonna do is pun on someone who has intriguing traits 501 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 1: as an athlete. I wouldn't pun on them right now. 502 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, And Gino Smith is the is the example 503 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: right there if guys being able to figure it out 504 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: later on. So I'm hopeful for both of them. They're 505 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: both good dudes. I hope it all works out for him. 506 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break, we'll come back. We'll talk 507 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 2: about a couple more rookies. All right, Buck, you recently 508 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 2: wrote about rookies you're looking forward to watch in training camp. 509 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna rattle off the names here, and I want 510 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: you to give me the one in this group that 511 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: has you the most excited. We had Anthony Richardson talked 512 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: a little bit about him the previous episode. Joey Porter Junior, 513 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 2: Luke Musgrave the tight end of the Packers in the 514 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 2: second round, Keon White, the defensive end edge rusher for 515 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: the Patriots, who's got some buzz from what he's done 516 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: early in camp. And then Jake Moody, the kicker for 517 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. 518 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I had to get a kicker in 519 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 3: you What are you doing? What are you doing? White scores? Okay, 520 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 3: so you're. 521 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: Gonna chart Jake Moody in the preseason. Don't lie, don't lie. 522 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying like this, look, the most hyped 523 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: kicker that we've seen come into the league since Robert 524 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: Ago Robertualo. 525 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 3: So can he How'd that work out? It didn't work out? 526 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 3: So I see if he can, if he can make 527 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 3: it happen. But the guy that I'm really watching is 528 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 3: Luke Musgrave from the Green Bay Packers. 529 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: In my mind, this is an opportunity for the Packers 530 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: to really remake their offense from the explosive outfit that 531 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: played with Aaron Rodgers at the Hill to a little 532 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: more of the ball control. Hey, let's go two tight ends. 533 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 1: Let's do some different things. Control passing game will let 534 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: our offense be our big defense by playing a little 535 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: keep away. If they go that route, he should be 536 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: able to dominate over the middle of the field. And 537 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: we've seen the athleticism and all the other stuff to traits, 538 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: and we've seen how tight ends, young tight ends had 539 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: been able to come in and make their mark. He 540 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: should make a significant impact on the GNABA Packer's office. 541 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: I think Jordan Love is going to find him early 542 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: and often. 543 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I liked his game coming out. 544 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 2: The athleticism is there. You can see it jumps off 545 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 2: the screen. So you know, how does that whole Packers 546 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: group come together. I know, as somebody was talking about 547 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: the other day, it might have been Lewis Riddick. I 548 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: saw somebody made the point of you know, hey, don't 549 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: judge the Packers off the first four games, five games 550 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 2: like they're probably going to get better as the year 551 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: goes along, as they figure out not only what they 552 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: have in Jordan Love, but what he does well doesn't 553 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: do well, and figure out how to get him in 554 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: a place where he's comfortable. So I thought that was 555 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 2: actually pretty good take pretty good advice there the rest 556 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: of these guys. The one guy I wanted to ask 557 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: you about going back to some of these rookies, my guy, 558 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: Marte mapu Man for the Patriots. I read something about 559 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: him the other day that's say they're literally playing him 560 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: at linebacker, nickel, and safety, like as a rookie in 561 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: that defense, as much as you have to know that 562 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: they feel comfortable enough that they're putting him in three 563 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: different spots. Felt good about at least we'll see. I 564 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: don't know if you're going to be able to do 565 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: it or not, but I felt good about my draft 566 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: grade knowing that Belichick trust this young rookie to be 567 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 2: moving him around like that. That doesn't happen very often. 568 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen very often, and you have to have 569 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: a high IQ to be able to play in that defense. 570 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: The football like the aptitude to be able to do 571 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: so many different things. The Patriots are a little simplistic 572 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: in terms of how they play, but they're complex in 573 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: terms of the variety of different things that they can 574 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: give you on a weekly basis. So you've got to 575 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: be able to compartmentalize all of those things and know 576 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: how to function within these snowflake game plans. So yeah, man, look, 577 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: that's a testament to his readiness to be able to 578 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: jump in there. The other person talk about New England 579 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: Christian Zales like the positive stuff that they're getting out 580 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: of him. 581 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: And you know how important cornerback plate is to the Patriots. 582 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: If they can have guys that and play man to 583 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: man with some other stuff, it allows them to really 584 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: throw everything at you. And if they can throw everything 585 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: at you, they know how to money up games. And 586 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: a team that doesn't look like they can compete with 587 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: the rest of the vision on paper could be better 588 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: if they get good play from the young defenders in 589 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: the secondary. 590 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: Now, this feels like you're kind of going off what 591 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: you just said. This feels like, I don't want to 592 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: say it's a reckoning year, but it feels really important 593 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: for the Patriots. 594 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: Not. 595 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: You know, obviously Belichick's Belichick to go down as a 596 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: great coach of all time. You know, he's he's already 597 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 2: earned what he's accomplished. 598 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 3: The seat is hot, I know. 599 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like expectations, That's what I'm yeah. 600 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, Okay, we gave you a little 601 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 2: buffer the post Brady years, Like we give you a 602 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: little buffer to try and recalibrate, regroup, rebuild the roster. 603 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: And now it's like this feels like, okay, this is 604 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: the time, like can you keep up with the bills? Like, 605 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: can you know what does that gap look like? I 606 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 2: think it's a big year man, ye. 607 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: Big year for Belichick's a big year for Mac Jones 608 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: for Belichick. That defense to play well because then it 609 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: lessens it alleviate some of the pressure on Mac Jones. 610 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 3: They have to play well. 611 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: But no, it is what it is, and the fact 612 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: that Tom Brady went and won a Super Bowl it 613 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: only elevates. There are a bunch of coaches that look 614 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: have never accomplished anything close to what Bill Belichicks is accomplished, 615 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: and they don't feel the heat of being on the 616 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: hot seat. 617 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: But it is what it is. Robert Craft is on records, 618 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: and we expect to win. We expect to go to 619 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 3: the playoffs. We expect to do that stuff. DJ. 620 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: When you win six super Bowls and twenty plus years, 621 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: hey man, you get used to seeing the shiny hardware. 622 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 3: It's been a while for the Patriots since they've been 623 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 3: in the big game. It's been a while since they 624 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 3: added some hardware to the collection. You know how it is. 625 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: That's just what it is. Rings and things. 626 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: Yep, there you go. Well, I hope you guys have 627 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 2: enjoyed this one again. We'll be out of some more camps. 628 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: We'll have recaps for you from what we see. Hopefully 629 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 2: that'll help you out a little bit as you go 630 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 2: towards your fantasy football draft and we march towards the season. 631 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: We are fired up football the Mount night. Man, it's 632 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: gonna be Browns and Jets. Can I give you one 633 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 2: quick prediction on that the Jets the Jets. The Jets 634 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: third string line is gonna have like five sacks in 635 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: that game. I mean it's gonna be like Will McDonald 636 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: and Bryce huff like guys like legit pass rushers going 637 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 2: up against third team offensive tackles. So that's my prediction 638 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: for that game is you're gonna come away from that 639 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 2: game thinking, holy crap, look at the the D line 640 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: for the Jets. 641 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: They got a lot of depth. Man. There should be 642 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 3: a lot of fun. Man. I'm excited to see it. Yep. 643 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: And we'll all join in the annual tradition of saying 644 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 2: there's not enough good tackles in this league. It's a 645 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: preseason conversation we have each and every year. Yeah, it's lopsided. 646 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: There's a lot more d ns than than than tackles 647 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: in this league. All right, that's gonna do it for us. 648 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 2: Appreciate you hanging. We'll catch you next time. Right here on, 649 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 2: move the sticks.