1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Rashon McDonald. 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: I host this weekly Money Making Conversation Masterclass show. The 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 2: interviews and information that this show provides are for you 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: and everyone. It's time to start reading other people's success 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: stories and start living your own now. 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My next guest is 13 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: the founder and artistic director of Nil's Daughter's Movement Collective, 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: a professional dance company committed to creating and supporting art 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 2: and wellness initiatives through the lens of Black women and girls. 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: Stacey is the author of two children's books and recipient 17 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty four Children's Publication Award from the 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: National Association of Multicultural Education. Please welcome to Money Making 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: Conversation Master Last Stacey Allen. 20 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: How you doing, Stacey? 21 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: Hello? Hello, thank you so much for having me. How 22 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 3: are you? 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: I'm great, pretty good, I'm doing really good stacy telling. 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: Is your background on dance? Why is dance importing to you? 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 4: So I decided in about high school that I wanted 26 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 4: to study dance when I got to college, and at 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: the time, I had to say that it was more 28 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 4: of a hobby. But as I've matriculated through my dance 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 4: education and then ultimately became a dance educator, I realized 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 4: the storytelling. 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 3: Power that dance had right and I. 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 4: Understand how specifically as people of African descent, dance and 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 4: music have always been critical in us being able to 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 4: keep our histories and tell our own stories. 35 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:49,639 Speaker 3: So that's why dance. 36 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: Now where did you go to college yet? 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 4: I did my undergraduate degree at sam Houston State University 38 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 4: and I got a degree in that And I always 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 4: say that I had very supportive parents, because a lot 40 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 4: of times, you know, more traditional families are less inclined 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 4: to support their children getting find arts degrees. But I'll 42 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 4: say that my parents were a little bit ahead of 43 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 4: their time. They supported me and getting that degree from 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 4: sam Houston, a Bachelor of Arts and Dance. And then 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 4: I went to graduate school at University of Houston Clear 46 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 4: Lake and received a master's and cross. 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 3: Cultural studies where I studied a. 48 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 4: Lot of dance anthropology and did a lot of other 49 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 4: research on dance and music. 50 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: Let's talk about that because I think it's important because 51 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: a lot of people out of fear, don't follow their 52 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: dreams based on what people would think of. People try 53 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 2: to push you to what they think you should be, 54 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: and I think it's important that you are living the 55 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: life that you wanted to live. Talk about the impact 56 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: of having that support system, following your dreams and living 57 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 2: a life without fear. 58 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for asking that. I think that 59 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 4: that is really critical. When I believe that God puts 60 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: a purpose inside of us, and when we are able 61 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 4: to live out that purpose and have support, I think 62 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 4: that the guy is the limit. It has been super critical. 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 4: My family still supports me. My dad transitioned about eleven 64 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: years ago, and my mom is still very supportive of 65 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 4: all the work I do, my husband, even my children. 66 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 3: I have a strong village and I can. 67 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 4: Just see how their support really helps to bring this 68 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 4: art forward. 69 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: Ok let's talk about this station. Because the power of 70 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: dance of activism. Okay, you know, because your dance and 71 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: engages social injustice and political movement, and through dance talk 72 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: about it. You know, you are really interesting and and 73 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: I gotta appreciate you even more in this interview because 74 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: sometimes you know, people say dance and they all they 75 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: see is just the dance, but they don't understand the 76 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: story that you're telling what you're dance. Talk to us 77 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: about that, because this is not a normal interview for me, 78 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: because it's always it's always fun when I talk to 79 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: people I've never talked to and I've never talked to 80 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: a person like you. And along the way in this conversation, 81 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: I'm more and more engaged because it's like I thought 82 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: it was this, but I'm realizing there's so much more. 83 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: So let's talk about dance as a power of activism. 84 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a long legacy of people who have 85 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 4: used their art as activism tools. You know, artists are 86 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 4: some of the forefronts of the people who led movements 87 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 4: like the civil rights movements. And clearly some of the 88 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: things that we're seeing right now come from a long 89 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 4: legacy of dance makers who are activists. And so my 90 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 4: goal in the art that I create with dance is education. 91 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 4: Like we've talked about people uncovering things that they did 92 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 4: not know about themselves, people feeling embodied in their own selves, 93 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: having autonomy, knowing that they can. 94 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: Realize the dreams that they have. 95 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 4: One of the things I was really intentional about when 96 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 4: I wrote my children's books was explaining African American expressive 97 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 4: culture in the history of it. 98 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: So the first book, A. 99 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 4: Little Optimism Goes a Long Way, teaches students about who 100 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: Catherine Dunham is. And so I wrote that book because 101 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 4: Catherine Dunham is a legendary dance maker anthropologists, and when 102 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: I was teaching in elementary school, I was teaching elementary 103 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 4: school dance in a public school. Often my students not 104 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 4: only did I know who she was, but there weren't 105 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 4: many educational materials to support me teaching who she was. 106 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 4: So I created that right. The same thing with my 107 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 4: second book, d is for Dance. Dancing through the Diaspora 108 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: is a through z of different African diaspora dance styles 109 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 4: for each letter, and it's very much informed through my 110 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 4: research and my travels and what I have learned about 111 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: all the powerful styles of dance throughout the African diaspora. 112 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 4: And so that is my activism is making sure that 113 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 4: people are more educated about themselves, and sometimes it comes 114 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 4: in the shiny package of a performance, and sometimes it 115 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 4: becomes in a book form, sometimes it becomes it comes 116 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 4: out through film. 117 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 3: And so that's truly. 118 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 4: My activism is making sure we know who we are because, 119 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 4: like you said it, you make the groundwork by saying, 120 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 4: when you. 121 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: Know who you are, you can start making some different choices. 122 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: Now, Stacey Aloy you stone in Okay, I'm from Houston, Texas. 123 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: Everybody knows that. 124 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: Who listens to my podcast podcast No, I love Houston, Texas. Now, 125 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: I'm no dancer, but I've seen artistic dance scene throughout 126 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: the Black community. It always appears at events, especially culture 127 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: true events. 128 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: Why is that the case? 129 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: Because Black people love to dance and we're good at it. 130 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: Stop that. 131 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: No, Like I was saying earlier, dance is a critical 132 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 4: part of our expression. Even when you think about our 133 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: ancestors that lived on the continent of Africa, dance is 134 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 4: what told the stories. 135 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: The Grios used drum. 136 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: And dance to be able to communicate the history from 137 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 4: one generation to the next. And so my goal is 138 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: to keep up that legacy. Yes, if any of you 139 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 4: have you have you all seen the movie Centers and 140 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: that powerful scene whenever. 141 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: I don't know spoilers, I'm sorry if you haven't seen it. 142 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: Us Spauler, let's that scene, that dance scene. I saw 143 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: Centers twice. So definitely he used music, he used culture. 144 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: All that was what made that movie significant. 145 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and so that is our goal with the work 146 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 4: that we produce a lot of our work, specifically when 147 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 4: Nias Dard's movie Collective is surround the African American history 148 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: in Texas. Our first show that we really put out 149 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 4: that has been touring for the last three years is 150 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 4: called The fairy Tale Project, and the fairy Tale Project 151 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 4: is based on the love story of Jim and Winnie Shankle, 152 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: and those are two founders of the Texas Freedom Colony, Shankleville. 153 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: So I know you've been, you know, playing around with 154 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 4: me about not being from Houston, being from Houston, being 155 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 4: from a different part of Houston. But did you know 156 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 4: that in Texas alone that there are over five hundred 157 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 4: freedom colonies. A freedom colony is defined as a historically 158 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 4: significant community where essentially, from emancipation through the Great Depression, 159 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: black people started their own towns, and a lot of 160 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: those towns are. 161 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: In rural Texas. 162 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 4: A lot of them are in rural East Texas and 163 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 4: there's a significant amount in Central Texas. And so what 164 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 4: we've been able to do with Dan is tell the 165 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 4: story of these freedom colonies, specifically Shankoville. We have a 166 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 4: performance that we premiere at Discovery Green in twenty twenty two, 167 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 4: but we've been touring it over the last three years 168 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: and it's about that. And then from there we have 169 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 4: created even more work about African American history in Texas. 170 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 4: We spent a significant amount of time in Crockett. Crockett 171 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 4: is a small town kind of situated between Houston and Dallas, 172 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 4: and the women who created the Mary Allen Seminary, which 173 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 4: was the first colored women's college in the area. So 174 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: our goal with Dance is essentially to carry that legacy 175 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 4: that our ancestors have done and to tell our stories 176 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: through movement. 177 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: And it has been a beautiful. 178 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 4: Experience when we are able to share history through movement. 179 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: Just yesterday, we had the beautiful opportunity to perform this 180 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 4: piece the fairy Tale Project at the Juvenile Justice Detentions. 181 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: So we had a group of about fifteen young women 182 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 4: who are you know, just dis impacted at the moment 183 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 4: and they dance with us, We get a workshop with them, 184 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 4: We talk to them about black history, we talk to 185 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 4: them about Junge teenth, We talked to them about all 186 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,239 Speaker 4: these things, and we did the show inside of their facility. 187 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: So we really find this work. 188 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 4: Not only fun and engaging, but also critically important. 189 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: For empowering people because sometimes if you don't know your history, 190 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 2: then you don't know your history. And when I say that, 191 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: because of the fact that you don't know the relevancy 192 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: of you when you step out of your house, the 193 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: culture that you bring, the tone of precentation that you 194 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: should be presenting yourself of if you realize you are 195 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: from king you are from Queens, you are from the Motherland. 196 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: Now let's talk about the importance of Juneteenth, Okay, because 197 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 2: I'm talking to a true culture, a true authority, authority 198 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: of Texas black history. 199 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: Tell us about the significance of June teenth, because now. 200 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: It's national, but you and I both know Texas was 201 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: way ahead of Juneteenth before it went national. 202 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: Talk to me, Stacy. 203 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: So that's something we can agree on as Texas Natives. 204 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 4: We know that June teen started in Galveston, right, not 205 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: too farward either. One of us grew up and we 206 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 4: spent a lot of time, and so I think it's 207 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 4: this is one hundred and sixtieth year of June teenth. 208 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 4: I think that it is critical for us to make 209 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 4: that pilgrimage, make that return. Not only is Galveston the 210 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 4: home of June teenth, Galveston is the largest port that 211 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 4: received our ancestors west of the Mississippi. 212 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: Right. 213 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: So, just like I got the chance to take a. 214 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 4: Beautiful trip to Senegal last summer, and I spent time 215 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 4: in Gory Island, where a lot of the slaves castles 216 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: was and as you can imagine, that was an emotional 217 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 4: and spiritual transformative experience. And what it really made me 218 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 4: think about as I came back home, it was like, 219 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 4: you know, just as these places in Senegal and Ghana 220 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 4: our slave ports where our ancestors were taken, places like 221 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 4: Galaston and Charleston are places where they were receiving, and 222 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 4: so they both served as sacred and ground, sacred grounds 223 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 4: that we should be commemorating. And so I think this 224 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 4: is the time, during all the things that are occurring, 225 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 4: for such a time as this is a time to 226 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 4: make that pilgrimage back to Galveston Let's. 227 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: Talk about the station. 228 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: I'm talking to Stacey Allen, the founder and artistic director 229 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 2: of Nia's Daughter's Movement Movement collective. 230 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk about their emotional moment, because I've been there. 231 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: You know, when you go to places where you read 232 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: about in the book, you read it and. 233 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: Then you see it. You see in disbelief the conditions. 234 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: I think that's what grabs you the most and you realize, Okay, 235 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: they went across the ocean and this was the conditions. 236 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: Talk about that emotional moment you did, that you had 237 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: and what was your takeaway from the experience when you 238 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: went over there. 239 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 3: Step So you have. 240 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: To take a ship like a boat, a fairy if 241 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 4: you will, to get to Gory Island, right because it's not. 242 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 3: On the mainland. 243 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 4: So even as soon as you step onto the ship, 244 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 4: for me, I have to have full embodied experience. I 245 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 4: could feel my gut dropped, like, oh this, what if 246 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 4: we get Like in many ways I kind of went 247 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 4: into a mini panic, like what if we get stuck here? 248 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,479 Speaker 3: What happens? And then when we arrived. 249 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 4: There, what felt in addition to like the emotional pull 250 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 4: that understanding what our ancestors went through in that Middle Passage. 251 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 4: It was also coming to terms with the hustle and 252 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 4: bustle of Gorey Island. And in many ways, Gorey Island 253 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 4: is a tourist attraction, so like making sense of that 254 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 4: in your mind, like, you know, this is something that 255 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,239 Speaker 4: happened to our ancestors, but this land has also been repurposed, 256 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 4: if you will, utilized for a different purpose. And how 257 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: do you make sense of that? And it's actually grappling 258 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 4: with that is what I had to make sense of. 259 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 4: Galveston galvesin is a tourist attraction. People come to Galveston 260 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 4: for you know, recreation and also like but this is 261 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 4: also a slave port. It's been an interesting emotional journey. 262 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 4: I don't have all the answers yet because I have 263 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 4: been engaged. 264 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 3: In doing several returns. 265 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: In twenty twenty four, not only did I go to Senegal, 266 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 4: but I also went to East Texas for the first 267 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 4: time since COVID. That's where my maternal family is from. 268 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 4: They're from a Freedom Colony in Panola County, East Texas. 269 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 4: And then I also went to Mississippi, where my dad's 270 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 4: family is from Arts as well, and they sew at 271 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: a church called the Aki Chapel that which is still 272 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 4: in existence. So grappling with all those histories, my own 273 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 4: personal family history, that wasn't my first time on the 274 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 4: African continent, but that was my first time in West Africa, 275 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 4: which we understand that's where specifically our ancestors are from. 276 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 4: And then coming back to Texas and being like, oh, 277 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: a lot of this area we live on our plantations. Like, 278 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: grappling with all of that has been definitely emotional journey. 279 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: But I have been able to. 280 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 4: Use that in the art that I create and help 281 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 4: people to start thinking about it, because, like you said, 282 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 4: when you don't know where you come from, it's hard 283 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 4: to know where you're going. And so just helping people 284 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: to identify all these sacred grounds, all these migration stories 285 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 4: that our people have been through, has been critical in 286 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 4: helping them to reshape and redefine their own identity. 287 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 5: Please don't go anywhere, be right back with more Money 288 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 5: Making Conversations Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations 289 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,239 Speaker 5: Masterclass hosted by Rashaan McDonald. 290 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: At least they needn't know how to get in touch 291 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: with you, telling Stacey, the. 292 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: Best way to get in touch with us is through 293 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 4: our website www. Dot MEA's Dartist n I a is 294 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 4: Darters felt traditionally dot com and to sign up what 295 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 4: I on our email is. We also are on social 296 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 4: media on Instagram at me A's Darters and on Facebook 297 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 4: at MEA's Darters. 298 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 3: That's the best way. 299 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 4: But I will tell you we do have some tour 300 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 4: dates coming up in the South very very soon that 301 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 4: we'll be announcing. 302 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: First of all, I'm impressed with your passion. Can I 303 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: say that your passion because you know, I'm an emotional 304 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: person and I think that a lot of people who 305 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: live live live their life are really engaged in what 306 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 2: they do. You know, they just you know, they go 307 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: get a job, it pays well, oh that's the only 308 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: job they can get, and they just wake up not happy. 309 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: I get the impression. Stay say you're a happy person. 310 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 2: You really are at a point in your life where 311 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: you're about to change the world with information and artistic 312 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: direction through your dance. 313 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 4: Correct, Yes, thank you better speak life and to me, 314 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 4: I appreciate that. 315 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: Yes, now I got to because you know, because your 316 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: knowledge when you you know, when I hear people talk 317 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: emotionally about something that I want to come see what 318 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: you're doing. 319 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: I want to see your presentation. 320 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: I want to see because to me, I immediately went, Okay, 321 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: she needs to do a whole put on her website 322 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: all those five hundred freedom cities she was talking about 323 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: in Texas. I said, that seems like, you know, that's 324 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: that's as big to me as Harriet tumas you know 325 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: underground Railroad. Because the fact that if we don't know, 326 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: we living in the world today where people are tearing 327 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 2: down information about our community, denying us our past, so 328 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: that means we may not have our history. So when 329 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: I heard you say that, I went, Okay, now I 330 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: got an asd station. What is she doing with that? 331 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: What is she doing with that information? Is she putting 332 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: that information on the website? If she being the ultimate 333 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 2: storyteller about black history in Texas? Because that's what I 334 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: see you becoming, Stacy. 335 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: Thank you. 336 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 4: So I do want to say that the Texas Freedom 337 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 4: Colonies Project is a project led by it's the scholarship 338 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 4: of doctor Andrea Roberts. And there is a website is 339 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 4: www dot Texas Freedomcolonies Project dot com. And the site 340 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 4: is everything you just said. It has an at list. 341 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 4: You go into the site there's a map you can 342 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 4: type in by county and you can find those freedom 343 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 4: colonies if you are from those freedom colonies. You can 344 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 4: also input oral history. And there's another side of the 345 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 4: portal that you know that are only for descendants. And 346 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 4: there's lots of work that has come out of that project. 347 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 4: And I am so thankful to be able to work 348 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 4: with the Texas Freedom Colonies Project through artistic expression to 349 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 4: help evangelize if you will, this large body of scholarship. 350 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: I'm teasing station born and raised Houston, Texas, knowledgeable god, 351 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: a degree in math Okay, considered one of the leaders 352 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: and pillars of Houston. 353 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: Never heard of it? That angers me. 354 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: What do we have to do to get the word 355 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 2: out as well as promote the fact that you are 356 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: out there with your dance, Nia's Daughter's Movement collective as 357 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: well as this Texas whe was a freedom what's the Texas? 358 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 4: Yes, the Texas Freedom Colonies Project. So let me tell 359 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 4: you something because I know we was joking around about 360 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 4: being from Houston. 361 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 3: I know you've heard of Freedman's Town and for them. 362 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: Actually, my sister, my oldest sister, works over there. She 363 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: constantly wants me to participate in different fundraising events. 364 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and then you also probably have heard about 365 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 4: independent Heights. 366 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: That's not happen, Okay, okay, But. 367 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 4: Freeman's Town is the one that most people have, and 368 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 4: you know Dallas also has a Freeman's Town. 369 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 3: So what has happened is that most people. 370 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 4: Are more familiar with the freedom towns that are in 371 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: a major metropolitan area. The part that people don't know 372 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: are all the freedom towns that are in rural areas 373 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 4: because a lot of them due to of course systemic injustices, 374 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 4: but also environmental concerns such as climate disaster. They have 375 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 4: been they're no longer in existent or right. But what 376 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 4: the Texas Freedom Colonies Project has done is to place 377 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 4: make all of those places. 378 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: Generally, a freedom colony. 379 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: Has a like a stone or something like that, a plat. 380 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 4: Yes, sometimes they have a Texas Historical marker, but a 381 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 4: lot of times they're define. They usually have a school, 382 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 4: they usually have a cemetery and the church. But let 383 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 4: me ask you this, because I know you grew up 384 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 4: in Fifth Ward, but where are your people from. 385 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: I'm sure they're from the country or Louis. 386 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they they're from Sweet Port. Louisiana. Bochy, come on, 387 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: come on now, I. 388 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: Ain't gonna run from who I am now, six sisters, 389 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 2: two brothers. 390 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: We was out there putting out some kids. 391 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 3: So a lot of you. 392 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 4: Stonians actually have a similar story. Their families are from 393 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 4: East Texas or West Louisiana, and Freedom colonies are all 394 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 4: throughout that region, so you probably are more familiar with 395 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 4: these places then. 396 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: You know. 397 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: You know, first of all, I don't want to You 398 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 2: came came on my show to talk about dance. Now 399 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 2: we've gotten into cultural history and I'm I'm really zero 400 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: in on this because I'm being educated and I'm mad. 401 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 2: I was getting mad Stacey when I don't know what 402 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: I should know, And it really tells me a lot 403 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 2: about the education system that we have in this world. 404 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: I denied you. 405 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: I believe important from me and the fact that I 406 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: and I'm kind of sadden. I'm saddened by the information 407 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: you're giving me because you know, I'm. 408 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 1: Just one person. But what can I do? You know? 409 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: But I think that this mouthpiece that I've become in 410 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: money Making Conversations master Class allows me to hopefully through 411 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: curiosity people who are listening to this interview will not 412 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: only contact you about your Nia's Daughter's movement collective, but 413 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: also about these freedom collectives that are out there that 414 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: nobody knows about. 415 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: And I have to say that nobody knows. 416 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 4: Talking about dance to me is talking about history. That's 417 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 4: the purpose of why we do this. Education is the 418 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 4: core of why we do this. We do it through arts, 419 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 4: educational programming, programming through the community, programming through the schools, 420 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 4: and also performances. And this is why. So this is 421 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 4: actually what I like to see happen. People learn a 422 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 4: little bit more about themselves, a little bit more about 423 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 4: this surroundings by engaging you. 424 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: Know you you you're just a teacher, that's all. You're 425 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: a teacher. You're an educator. That's what you're doing. You're 426 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: an educator. 427 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 2: You know I'm gonna teach something. Couldn't I stop you, Stacy. 428 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: Your mama couldn't stop, your daddy couldn't stop, your husband 429 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: can't stop you. 430 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: I can't stop you, because just in hearing you, I 431 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: want to know more. I'm gonna tell you something. Stay. 432 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on my show. First of all, 433 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: you know you make me mad because what I do. 434 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you so I remember in college when 435 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 2: I was I took my degree is in mathematics, right, 436 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: and my minders in sociology, and I took a black 437 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: sociology course, and if I had to do it all 438 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: over again, I would have got my degree of sociology 439 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: because it changed my life. 440 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: It changed my perspective. 441 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 2: It maybe realized how much information I didn't know about 442 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: the culture of that I was born into, because the 443 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: information that they shared with me was is only at 444 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: even one percent. And so this interview angers me because 445 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: I'm sitting here trying to say, how can I share 446 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: this story to so many people, so many thousands of people, 447 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: because you are a blessing, young lady. 448 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: You are blessing. Do not stop. 449 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 2: I mean, if it's a wall up, then you run 450 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 2: through that wall. 451 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: Okay. And you have a friend in Rashaan McDonald. 452 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm an interroy that we can get to make 453 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: sure my oldest sister, I'm a caller and tell her 454 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: about you. She's the Freedom town. She's always doing things 455 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: down there. She's just like you. She she's always sharing information, 456 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: she always uplifted, she's always educating, and she's a blessing. 457 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: And as my oldest sister Carolyn, but you. 458 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: Are a blessing young lady. I'm so happy you contacted 459 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 2: us in a lot the privilege of interviewing you. 460 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, Stacy, thank you, thank you so much. 461 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure. 462 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass 463 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: posted by me Rushaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests 464 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 2: on the show today and thank you our listening to 465 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: the audience now. 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