1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, irl, baby, we are back. Today's guest 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: is a true artist in every sense of the word. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: H He's a singer, songwriter, activist, husband, father, egot. One 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: of only twenty or nineteen. 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: I think it's twenty now, twenty now. 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: Only twenty people haven't e got it's the entire history 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: of the world. Yes, you are one of those twenty people. 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: I was number fifteen. 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: I believe your legend. It is John Legend in the building. 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: Benzi Angie Martinez also a legend. Oh thank you. I 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: lived in New York for such a long time, so 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: I feel like you're just part of my life, me 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: part of my life, and I always love hearing your voice. 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: It's funny to see that you're like celebrating this twenty 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: year anniversary thing now, because I also have memories of 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: you coming in. Yes, I remember one moment you had 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: just started dating Chrissy and I said, oh, I hear 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: you're dating a model now, and you said, well, she's 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: more than a model, and I was like, okay, sorry, 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: you're right all about it. I feel like you were 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: already like deep in love by the time. 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: I probably a probably. So we met in September two 23 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: thousand and six. We actually shot a video together. So 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: it's you know, like we just had chemistry from the 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: second we met, and we started dating not long after that, 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,639 Speaker 2: and here we are nineteen years later. A month. Yeah, 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: we met September two thousand and six, and so and 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: we got married eleven and a half years ago. But 29 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: we've you know, been with each other for much longer. 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: So it's been it's been a minute, Okay. 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: So we're twenty years celebrating now as old as activity and. 32 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: Shows, Yes, we're doing shows. We did a remix version 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: of the album with Black Bard and Killer Mike and 34 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: Lil Wayne and Thames. 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: And such a good group that you picked. 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: Like amazing. Everybody really added something special to it. All 37 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: the producers did great remixes and it all feels really good. 38 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 2: And then we've just been out on the road celebrating 39 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: with everybody, and and I just love like connecting with 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: my fans that have been with me since the beginning, 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: and and they'll tell me, like, you know, this got 42 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: me through high school, got me through college, got me 43 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: through this relationship, yes, exactly, And just knowing that we've 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: been a part of people's lives for that long is 45 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: really special. 46 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Wedding videos. 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all the time on Instagram, Like I'm always 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: getting feeds of you know, my song being used for 49 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: this or that. And you know, it started with Getting Lifted, 50 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: so we had on that album, we had Stay with 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: You and so High that people used a lot for weddings, 52 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 2: and then of course All of Me has become one 53 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: of the biggest wedding songs of all time. 54 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: Have you ever done All of Me at a wedding? 55 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 56 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: Who's wedding? 57 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's been expensive to get me to 58 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: do it. It's got me really expensive, but yeah, it's 59 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: like a home Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I've done it a 60 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: few times. 61 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: People you knew were just like people who just could 62 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: afford it. 63 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: People who could you know who I knew. I did 64 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: it at Kanye Kim's wedding because that was right after 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: we got married, right when All of Me came out, 66 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: and then Kanye was at that wedding. He was got 67 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: inspired and was like, I want to do my wedding 68 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: in Italy too, and and so they got married like 69 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: nine months later, and he was obsessed with All of 70 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: Me too, because he was executive producing that album that 71 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: it was on and we didn't write that song together, 72 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: but he was just obsessed with that song. And of 73 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: course I did it at their wedding too, So that's 74 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: one of the few weddings of like a friend of 75 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: mine that I did it at, and then I did 76 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: Gabby Union and d Wade's wedding. But at that point, 77 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: all of me was so ubiquitous that they were like, 78 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: can you do another song. 79 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: Else? 80 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: So we did You and I for that one, which 81 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: was on the same album. 82 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: But does it hit differently for you? Because even songs 83 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: that we like and know and like iconic songs some 84 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: time in those moments, they just hit dimmer. Oh yeah, 85 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: I can't imagine you being eat, whether Gavin or even 86 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: Kanye's being in Italy and watching two people and you 87 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: are singing the song. 88 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: It has it's special. 89 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: Feel, the feeling of it, I mean, what is that 90 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: feeling that most of us could never really experience. 91 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 2: Especially well, the first time I sang it in front 92 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: of an audience was literally at my wedding. So we 93 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: got married in Italy and if you look back at 94 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: the music video, we shot it there that week of 95 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: the wedding at Lake Como, and then I sang it 96 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: live on the piano at the reception, and it was 97 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: a moment, you. 98 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: Know, are you a mess inside? Is she a mess inside? 99 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: Well, some tears were shit, I didn't cry in that moment. 100 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: She cried the first time she heard it. And I 101 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: when I sang it to her the first time, I 102 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: had just come home from the studio and I was like, 103 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: you're gonna love this song. I wrote it for you 104 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: and we were engaged by that point, and she cried 105 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: the first time she heard it. Yeah, so sweet. 106 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can only imagine those moments. How beautiful is 107 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: that to have? I mean, that's just that's just one song, 108 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: but even like the first album and all of these 109 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: amazing moments in your career, Like just how special that 110 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: you get to experience the world in that type of way. 111 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 2: And like a lot of my memories are tied to 112 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: what song was I writing at this time, What song 113 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: was I touring with at this time? What album? And 114 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: so yeah, these albums they mark like moments in your life, 115 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: and and so much of it has been beautiful and 116 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: celebrating love and and and like connection. And so when 117 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 2: I go through the songs and think about where I 118 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: was in my life at that time. It just brings 119 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 2: back all these memories. 120 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: Is one of the hardest because you talk about writing truth. Yeah, 121 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: what is like the hardest truth you've had to put 122 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: in a song? 123 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I I've written about my family and 124 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: I've talked about my family too and some of the 125 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: episode downs that we face. And actually Ordinary People wasn't 126 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: a based on my own relationship. It was based on 127 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: my parents and the up and down situation that they 128 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: were in because they had gotten divorced when we were kids, 129 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: when I was like ten eleven years old, then they 130 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: got remarried when I was graduating from college, then they 131 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: got redivorced when Get Lifted was being written. So I 132 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: was literally writing Ordinary People about the ups and downs 133 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: of my parents' relationship. And we went through a lot 134 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: as a family just dealing with them and they're back 135 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: and forth. 136 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: Because it's not just their up and down. 137 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we had all how to experience it. And 138 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: when I was writing Ordinary People, that's what it was about. 139 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: That's so interesting. 140 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: But you would think as kids you'd be happy, like 141 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: if your parents get back together. 142 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: It's stressful. It was like, are we going through this again? 143 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: Put us through this again, and we were like happy 144 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: for them that, you know, they seem like they had 145 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: read like fallen in love and all this stuff, but 146 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: we also remembered how stressful it was for everybody before 147 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: and we're like, please, don't let it be stressful again. 148 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: And turns out it was stress And now they're both remarried. 149 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: I have stepfather and stepmother and they're both lovely, and 150 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: I feel like they both found the person that they're 151 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: going to, you know, truly, you know, grow old with. 152 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: And so I'm happy that both of them found that. 153 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: What is that do to Like, So when you grow 154 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: up with that type of up and down, what does 155 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: that do to you as a husband? Like, how does 156 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: that show? 157 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: It can go either way because I've seen it in 158 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: my siblings where I feel like it can make you 159 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: like hesitant to want to be in love with somebody 160 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: and make that commitment. It can erode your trust. But 161 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: for me, I feel like it's done the opposite. It's 162 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: made me like want to make sure that Christy and 163 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: I don't do that. It's like been an example of 164 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: what not to do. 165 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: You know, that's with anything, right, Yeah, your parent is alcoholic. 166 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: And some people never ever, some people go off in 167 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: a way and some people end up following their footeps. 168 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: You know, So that's your goal, So that's your motivating as. 169 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: Part of it, you know, even as silly as it sounds, like, 170 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: we'll watch like reality TV and see families going through 171 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: divorce and we're just like, that cannot be us. I 172 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: love that you know that you're so clear like we 173 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: are staying together. That that's like when we watch that ship, 174 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: we're just like, nah, not us. 175 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: People hear that, though, and then they assume it's just easy, right, 176 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: and people say. 177 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: It's not easy. But I feel like it doesn't have 178 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: to be as hard as we make it too. And 179 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: I give us the trick for that. 180 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: Then, because for most people it's really hard. 181 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: I think. One, you have to be fortunate enough to 182 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: like fall in love and marry someone that you really 183 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: are like supposed to be with. Choose well, Yeah, so 184 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: choose well. And I feel like we really chose well. 185 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: Like we have great chemistry and it's not just physical. 186 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: It started out as physical, but we really just vibe 187 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: really well together. We respect each other, love each other, 188 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: support each other, have each other's back, and we like 189 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: hanging out with each other. 190 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: So that's good. 191 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: That's a good like foundation to start with. But you 192 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: also have to be mindful and you have to work 193 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: on yourself and work on like whatever your bad habits 194 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: are and your bad relationship habits are, whatever they. 195 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: Are, like us, want to share one that you had 196 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: to learn. 197 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: Well, I have to be like more emotionally available, like 198 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: because I'm very like I'm so like chill and stoic 199 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: all of me, but I'm also so like I'm just 200 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: like some people call me a robot, Like I'm so 201 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: like emotionally like even kill. And I think that works 202 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: for a lot of situations, but sometimes you need to 203 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: like like show some emotion, show some passion, and so 204 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: I've had to do that. And I think another thing 205 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: is like I always want to fix everything, and like 206 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: if Chrissy's going through something and she like complains to 207 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: me about it, she's dealing with it, Like I'm always 208 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: skipping straight to how do I fix it? But sometimes 209 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: you just need to like let the person vent and 210 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: like it to therapy you, Yeah, exactly, Like you can't 211 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: just be like I'm just fixing everything. You have to 212 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: like actually like commiserate with them and allow them to like 213 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: say their piece. 214 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: You know, we just did Cynthia Rebo Actually yeah, and 215 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: she would talk. We were talking about love and relationships 216 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: and how challenging it is for people because you have 217 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: to grow and you're not the same person. 218 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: You were level years ago. 219 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,479 Speaker 1: So while you're growing and she's growing. Yes, that sometimes 220 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: causes uh, you know, distancing people. They don't give the 221 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: other the room to grow. And I always find that 222 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: part fascinating. And you have to because you want to 223 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: hold on, yeah, because you love somebody, But then also 224 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: you kind of let let people be. 225 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 2: You have to let people evolve, and they're going to 226 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: like try new things. They're going to like, we're both 227 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: creative people, and like you want to like encourage each 228 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: other's create and exploration and entrepreneurship, all of it. Like 229 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: you just want to you want to be supportive of 230 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: all of it. I feel like some couples there's jealousy 231 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: of other people's success, like like they feel like quietly 232 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: they're competing with each other. And I've just never been 233 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: like that, Like I want her to win at everything, 234 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: and I'm not like keeping score of who's doing better 235 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: at this or that, Like I just truly want her 236 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: to win all the time. 237 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: I think also too, sometimes it's like a possessiveness, like 238 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: like you represent me and I represent you. So if 239 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: I don't like, what if you dye your hair blue 240 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: and I think it's hideous, Yeah, it makes me look bad. 241 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: I think some of that goals. 242 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: You got to let people be their own person, You. 243 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: Gotta let people rock, right. Yeah, I saw this somewhere 244 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: where you were talking about how your dad taught you 245 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: how to be emotionally. 246 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: Well, he was such He's always been so romantic, Like yeah, 247 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: he's like truly like he was like to open the door, 248 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: go out on a nice date. And for him, you know, 249 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: it was like red Lobster, literally she's business. But for 250 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: us that was like a big deal. But like he 251 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: was just always such a gentleman. And I really think 252 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: we all like he raised three boys and a girl, 253 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 2: and all the boys just learned like this is how 254 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: you treat a woman. And so I'm grateful for him 255 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: for that, but also grateful for him for just showing 256 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: us how to be a great dad too. Like he 257 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: was so energetic and full of like he would just 258 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: like do the treasure hunts around the house and like 259 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: little games and like fun things. Yeah, he was like 260 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: truly present and also like he enjoyed being a dad, 261 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 2: Like he took a lot of pride and like being 262 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: like a fun, cool dad that we enjoyed hanging out with. 263 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 2: And so I feel like I was influenced by him 264 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: for that too. 265 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's a lot of talk about like men 266 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: and boys, especially as father's teaching sons, but just emotional intelligence, 267 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: how to communicate emotions, feel emotions in a healthy way, 268 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: all those things. I do wonder what you tell your 269 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: your kids. 270 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 2: Well, they have no problem communicating their emotions right now, 271 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 2: big feelings. You got a house full of feelings, house 272 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 2: full of feelings. My oldest is nine, Luna, and then 273 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: Miles is seven, and then we've got two that are 274 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: two years old, SD and Wren, And it's all feelings. 275 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 2: The boy oh yeah, oh yeah, feelings, And he's comfortable 276 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 2: expressing feelings. Yeah. And you know when he's mad, you'll 277 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: know he's mad. But he's also like so joyful and 278 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: like loving too. 279 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: That just happened because how they do is that something? 280 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: I think it's hormones. I think it's uh, we're seeing 281 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: it because he, you know, has a bunch of male 282 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: friends at school and they're all like so energetic, and 283 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: they'll tackle each other and hug each other. It's like 284 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 2: it's all just big yeah, like the same the same 285 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: dude will hug him and tackle him within five minutes 286 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: and and so it's just I think it's just that 287 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: time in their lives where they're just full of like 288 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: energy and emotion and exuberance and you just wanted to 289 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: channel in the right way, but you also got to 290 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: let them just be be a kid. 291 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: I love how intentional you guys have been about creating 292 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: your family. 293 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: Oh man, And it's been fun. Honestly. The house is 294 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: like so fun right now. It's like this age is 295 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: really fun. Like none of them are adolescents yet, so 296 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm scared of that era, but this 297 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: era is fun. 298 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: I would love to talk about the family, just the 299 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: intention about how you put your family together. Yase, you know, 300 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: people find family by surprise. Yes, people have, people are adopted. 301 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: We have happy accidents and happy accidents and then sometimes 302 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: I'm so happy accident exactly figure it out and so 303 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: we use IVF. So it's crazy because the only kid 304 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: we conceived naturally we lost in a miscarriage, and so 305 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: it was scary ever trying to do it naturally again 306 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: because it was like, that's the only one we lost. 307 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: And when we did IVF, it worked out so beautifully 308 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: and it allowed us to kind of time when we 309 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: could have the kid and work with our doctor and 310 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: make sure everything was healthy and right. And so it 311 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: really did work for us. IVF did work, and we 312 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: have four beautiful kids from him. 313 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's a greater appreciation. I'm not 314 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: to say that people are appreciative of their children, but 315 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: like when you work that hard to intentionally put a 316 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: family together, like. 317 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: I think, I think everybody loves their kids, and hopefully 318 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: everybody loves them unconditionally and purely. But you know, when 319 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: you do work that hard, it just makes you even 320 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: more appreciative of what you have. And also I think 321 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: it made us on the political side, not to get 322 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: too political, but think about like what it means for 323 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: a woman to be able to decide when they can 324 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: have kids and how important that is for a woman, 325 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: for her family, for everybody involved that you have control 326 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: over when that happens in your life. So it made 327 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: us I think even more politically, like yo we are 328 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: for we are pro choice all the way, and we 329 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: want to be like intentional about fighting for other women's 330 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: rights around the country and around the world to be 331 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: able to make that kind of decision that we made. 332 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: How do you navigate through that? Because it is so 333 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: much I know, we don't have to get so political. Yeah, 334 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: but you are. You have always been very active and 335 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: very vocal about your opinions, and just now is the 336 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: time in the world is like nothing we've ever seen. 337 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: And so how are you balancing that? Like in your 338 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: real life? How are you? 339 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: It's wild. It's wild because part of you is like 340 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: life is great, Like I have a great family, I'm 341 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: in a great house, I get to go on beautiful vacations, 342 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 2: Like life is beautiful for me. I'm making art that 343 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: I love and I'm proud of, Like there's so many 344 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 2: amazing things. But at the same time, you feel like 345 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: the country's falling apart, the world's falling apart, and it's 346 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 2: hard to think, like, well, what does that mean? Like 347 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: am I supposed to be like am my feelings about 348 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 2: it all the time? Am I supposed to be posting 349 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 2: about it all the time? Or am I like just 350 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 2: supposed to enjoy my life, because my life is wonderful, 351 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: like in our little cocoon, like everything's going great, and 352 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: so part of me is like torn on how much 353 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 2: to focus on all the bad shit that's going on 354 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: in the world versus just focusing on what I immediately 355 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: control in my family. And so, yeah, that's a dilemma. 356 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: I feel that very deeply. 357 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the way I've resolved it is 358 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: continue to focus on, even on the activism side, what 359 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: you can control, and right now, like I can't control 360 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: what's going on federally, but I can stay involved in 361 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: my community, stay involved on a state level, and so 362 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: like all the activism stuff that we do is really 363 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: local in state, so in California, in LA, but also 364 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 2: in other states. Controlling what we can control and not 365 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: focusing on, you know, what we can't control. 366 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: Do you say, do you have like a limit on 367 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: the news cycle? 368 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: I pay plenty of attention to it, probably too much, 369 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: And like I said, it can be hard because it's 370 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: like my life is great, but like the world feels 371 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 2: like it's falling apart a lot of times, and so 372 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: I want to stay connected to the news and I 373 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: don't want to just be like, let me just ignore it, 374 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 2: because I don't feel like that's a great way for 375 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: me to be in the world. I feel like I 376 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: still need to know what's going on and to stay 377 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: involved wherever I can. 378 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: Are you, I don't know, worried? Do you have fear? 379 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 2: And I'm worried. I'm worried when the government can just 380 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: kidnap people and send them to another country without any 381 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: due process, like that should make all of us worried. 382 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like it would happen to me, but 383 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: it feels like it could happen to somebody in my community. 384 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: Like I live in Los Angeles and we have a 385 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 2: lot of people who come from Mexico, from Ecuador, from 386 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 2: El Salvador, from Guatemala. There's so many people that they look, 387 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 2: you know, a certain way if you're profiling and you 388 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: know there And basically that's what the ICE agents are doing. 389 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 2: They're going through looking for people who look Hispanic, and 390 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: whether or not they have due process or warrant or anything, 391 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: they're just snatching them up. They were literally we were 392 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: notified by our kids preschool that they were going through 393 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 2: the parks and swooping up the park. Jesus and making 394 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: the kids sit there in the back of the van 395 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: until their parents came to pick them up, and they 396 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: would snatch up the nannies and they snatch up the 397 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 2: guys doing day labor, you know, at the home depots 398 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: and things, and like that is traumatic for a whole 399 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: community to go through that, and it could happen to 400 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 2: people that we're friends with, people that we know. And 401 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: that's why I was saying before the election, I'm like, yo, 402 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: like beware, like this is what they're promising to do, 403 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: and like they're they're telling you. 404 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: Still big surprise. 405 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're telling you, this is what they're promising to do, 406 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: and so vote accordingly. And I feel like a lot 407 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: of people just didn't believe that. They thought it happened 408 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,239 Speaker 2: to somebody else. But it's happening to a lot more 409 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: people than somebody else. 410 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: Here we are, Yeah, I asked you that because I'm like, 411 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: my mother's like watch she could just watch it from 412 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: the mornings the night. I'm like, this is I can't 413 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: overdose on it, but not healthy. It's still healthy. Yes, 414 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: we want to be active and we want to be aware, 415 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: not just aware, but we want to use our like 416 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: you said, our resources, our platforms, but also there's like 417 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: a balance of keeping yourself sane. Do you have a 418 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: thing that you do? Like what is you're saying when 419 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: you feel out of overwhelmed? Like what do you find 420 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: your Saturday? Do you have any rituals? Do you meditate? 421 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: What do you meditate? But I gotta say, I'm probably 422 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: the most naturally like person. What is that? 423 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: Explain that? How do you do it? How does it happen? 424 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: My dad is like that too, so I feel like 425 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: I inherited it from my dad in a lot of ways. 426 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: But I'm just very chill like like what you see, 427 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: Like I've got monk vibes. I really do, and it's natural. 428 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: I think it probably like Chrissy's just amazed by it 429 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 2: sometimes because she's very more dynamic exactly, She's more dynamic 430 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 2: and emotional and like and more spontaneous, and I'm just like, 431 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: that's why you work. I'm super si. Yeah. We compliment 432 00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 2: each other well. 433 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: Always because I'm by the way, I'm like fascinated with 434 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: monks and Buddhism and things, because I always I think, 435 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: what a beautiful way to live life without too many highs, 436 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: too many lows, like keeping this nice. But then I think, 437 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: if you don't, are you not fully experiencing the high? 438 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: Exactly I'm gonna say, if you're saying right here, ya, 439 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: are you experiencing the high? 440 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: I think you gotta. Like I was saying before, it 441 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 2: take time to celebrate wins. You've got to like enjoy 442 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 2: your life. And I think when I when I was 443 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: starting out, I was so focused on I gotta make money, 444 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: I gotta do this, I gotta do that that like 445 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: you forget like, well why am I trying to make money? 446 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: Like what am I doing this for? And I feel 447 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: like at this phase of my life, I'm more focused on, 448 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 2: let's actually enjoy the moments in life. Yes, and uh, 449 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 2: And so I feel like I've grown to focus more 450 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: on like truly enjoying these moments with my family, with 451 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: my loved ones, with my friends, and actually just having 452 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: a good time, because like, what is all this work 453 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: and success for. If you can't enjoy it, you must. 454 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: Have chosen Well, I know you've chosen a good wife, 455 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: not a perfect nobody's perfect. A good wife for you. Yeah, 456 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: you probably chosen good friends. 457 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you what do you? 458 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: What do you tell people about that? Like what will 459 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: you teach your kids about how to choose the people 460 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: in your life, whether it be friends or relationships or well. 461 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: I've been lucky that a lot of my friends are 462 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 2: from before I was famous, and people I worked with, 463 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: people I went to school with, Like I didn't get 464 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: a record deal till I was twenty five, so I 465 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 2: had kind of lived some of my young adult life. 466 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: And a lot of my closest friends are people that 467 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: I knew from prior to the fame. And I think 468 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: that's helpful to keep me grounded. And you know, my 469 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 2: prior life, I was like an Ivy League student, I 470 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 2: was a management consultant. So my friends are like people 471 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 2: that work in finance and our professors smart pants, and 472 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 2: so it's like an interesting group of friends to have 473 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: because like it intellectually challenges me, and like our group 474 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 2: chats are are like interesting, We like talk about interesting 475 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: things about what's going on in the world and all 476 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: the political stuff that interests us. And your smartest friend, 477 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: smartest friend, well, and I have a feel like and 478 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: what have you learned from them? Some of them, Like 479 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: one of my friends is a professor and she's amazing. 480 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: I went to college with her. One of my friends 481 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: is a very successful like investor, and so I learned 482 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 2: from all of them. Like I learned about the money 483 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: side of the world, I learned about kind of more 484 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 2: of the activism and intellectual side of the world. It's 485 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: good and uh and I think they challenge me in 486 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 2: some ways. It makes my art better. Yeah, really, yeah, 487 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 2: I really believe. 488 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: That your art is not just emotion. 489 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: It's I feel like, like my friend that is a 490 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: professor she uh, she also writes for The New York Times. 491 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: So I feel like having a friend like that makes 492 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: me like Sharper artistically. 493 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: They say that, right, yeah, Sharp and Steel. I have 494 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: some in real life questions. All right, we want to 495 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 1: know how to go through this this life, John, And 496 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: you've done pretty well for yourself, all right, this in 497 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: real life, both in real life. Pick one, pick a 498 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: good one, pick a good one. And I have others 499 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: just quick questions. Here we go things about life. 500 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: If you were the leader of the world, what's the 501 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: first thing you would do. I feel like we could 502 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: solve poverty if we make the right investments. And really, yeah, 503 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: like in our lifetime, yeah, we we we make choices 504 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 2: that make it so we don't solve poverty when if 505 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: we made the other choices, we we could actually do it. Like, 506 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: you know, even in the in the US, like a 507 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 2: very simple policy decision by and made that expired was 508 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: the earned income credit for a child tax credit basically, 509 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 2: so everybody with a child got a little extra money 510 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: and it took like millions of people out of poverty, 511 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 2: just that simple decision. Uh, and it got rolled back 512 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: when it expired. But like, that's a choice, it's a 513 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 2: policy choice, and it could take millions of people out 514 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: of poverty if we did it, you'd bring it back, 515 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 2: bring it back. 516 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: What's one part of parenting that no one warned you about. 517 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: I feel like I got a lot of warnings about 518 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: a lot of things. I'm trying to think what no 519 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 2: one warned me. 520 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: I just had this conversation. I was a guest on 521 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama's podcast, and we talked about like, no one 522 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: told me that I would be worried about somebody for 523 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: the rest of my life. It's not a small thing. 524 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: Like inserting that level of concern into your life every 525 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: day for the rest of your life is not a 526 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: small shift. 527 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's real. 528 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, insert joy and love and all those other 529 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: things too, but that part nobody's ever warned me about. 530 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 2: Well, one of the interesting things now is there's all 531 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: this research and I think I just saw missus Obama 532 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: talking about it on her Instagram today. She's talking about 533 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: with the author of The Anxious Generation about social media 534 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 2: and the impact that it has on our kids, especially girls. 535 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: And I feel like like our parents just had no 536 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 2: idea like what this generation is dealing with that, And 537 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: now we've got social media plus AI and like, I 538 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: feel like it's all uncharted territory for like how kids 539 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 2: are supposed to be in the world, and what impact 540 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 2: is going to have on the kinds of jobs that 541 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: we should even encourage them to study for, and like 542 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: how they're going to write papers and read books and 543 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: and what kind of jobs are going to be out 544 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: there in the world for them. And then the social 545 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: media side, just the level of insecurity and anxiety that 546 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 2: it encourages and and all of it. And I feel 547 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 2: like our parents had no idea how to prepare us 548 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: because it just didn't exist when they were do we exactly? 549 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: And this author, you know, his name is Jonathan Haye, 550 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 2: and you know, we went to one of his talks 551 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: in La Oh. It was it was like we were 552 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: so we were at a good time in our lives 553 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,719 Speaker 2: because our kids don't have phones yet and they're not 554 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: on social media yet, and so it's we we got 555 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: it in time to like listen and like be like, yo, 556 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: we're not letting them have a smartphone tell a certain age. 557 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: And I think it's like we said ninth grade or 558 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: something like that. I forget. But we made a pact 559 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 2: with other parents at the school and said, let's band 560 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: together because if one of us, you know, lets our 561 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: kid have a phone this early, then all the other 562 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: kids will be like, well she got one or he 563 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: got one, and so you have to It's called a 564 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: collection a collective action issue. 565 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: Wow. 566 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: And so did you start this? We did it as 567 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: a group, Like my wife was involved. She's a Girl 568 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: Scout mom and so it was her and like a 569 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: few of the Girl Scout moms that started it. And 570 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: then we did it with the whole third grade, which 571 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: is our oldest grade. 572 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: So no phones, yeah till the ninth grade. 573 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then no social media. I think they say 574 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: until you're like sixteen or something. 575 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: Wow. 576 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: No Instagram, no Snap, any of that. And they say, 577 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: you have to be really mindful of group chats because 578 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: a lot of the group chats are where the bullying 579 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: happens and like the you know, excluding and ostracizing people, 580 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: and you just got to be really mindful of all 581 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: of it. And I think they're learning so much about 582 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 2: the effect that it has on kids that we can 583 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: benefit from all the things that they're learning and the 584 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 2: previous generation didn't know. 585 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: Are your kids pushing back on any of that. 586 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: No, they're good so far. But I feel like, wait, 587 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: so Luna is like eleven or twelve, and we'll. 588 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: See, are you prepared to stand? 589 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: Yes, We're gonna be tough. 590 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: And what is the benefits What do they say to 591 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: the benefits of that. 592 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: Well, it's just like their attention span in class, just 593 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 2: reading a book, you know. Just think of how there's 594 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: a whole generation of kids that like it's hard for 595 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 2: them to focus on anything like a book a movie 596 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: because they're so like and like, when your brain is 597 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,239 Speaker 2: trained to do that, especially at this age, when your 598 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: brain is still being formed and your habits are being formed, 599 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: it's not a good thing. And then the AI thing, 600 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 2: like that's a whole nother. 601 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, wear you with that because it's giving me a 602 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: bit I love it in so many ways. It's helped 603 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,239 Speaker 1: me to like projects ideas, helps me kind of like 604 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: formulate ideas really quickly. I also have a little anxiety 605 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: about it because it is so fast that you start 606 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: to feel that feeling of like I need to be faster. 607 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like do you feel like, are any of 608 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: our kids going to like read the whole book or 609 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: they're just going to get AI to tell them what 610 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: it was about? And are they going to write any 611 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: more papers themselves or. 612 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: Like but should they too? 613 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: That's a good question, Like we don't know, and we 614 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 2: don't know what the like the side effects of all 615 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: that are going to be on on my kids development. 616 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: One of my kids was working on something they're not 617 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: allowed to use AI, and I thought that I don't 618 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: know that that's either right but when it's not realistic, 619 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: and I also don't think it's the smartest way to 620 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: look at it because AI is here, it's happening. Yeah, 621 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: so we can tell that. We could say, hey, don't 622 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: use that, they're still going to use it, or we 623 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: can say how can you use that smarter? How can 624 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: you use that better than everyone else is using how 625 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: can you use you know, so, I don't know, it's tricky. 626 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: I just wonder how you guys managed that. 627 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: Well, the kids aren't really on it yet, so but 628 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: I think by the time the high in high school, 629 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: like it'll be so it'll be so robust and it's 630 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: be so there that I think that's what teachers are 631 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: going to end up doing is saying, well, how do 632 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 2: you use this properly in a way that actually stimulates 633 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: you learning? Uh that you can put your own creative 634 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: spin on anything and still be like a creative person, 635 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 2: but get kind of the extra support from AI. 636 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: John Legend, h could you go into AI right now 637 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: and ask it to write a John Legend song? 638 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, they're apps to do that. Yeah you 639 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: want to try, Well, who's the right app to do it? 640 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: Because I haven't used that, you know. I sat down 641 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: with one of the companies early on when they were 642 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 2: like kind of beta testing, and I was like, I 643 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: don't have anything to worry about. 644 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: Yet they did it for me too, were trying to 645 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: read commercials in my voice. It's not the same thing. 646 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And uh so for now I feel like we're 647 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: safe as as songwriters, but I do feel like even 648 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: as a songwriter, it can give you a bunch of 649 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: ideas and then a lot of them are crap. 650 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: But like, what should the song be? What should the hook? 651 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: Can you? Let's decide what do we want to write about? 652 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: How do you? Well? How do you normally? 653 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: How do I usually start with the music and then 654 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: build off of that. But this time, let's say, let's 655 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 2: write a John Legend love song, hook a hook or 656 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 2: whole like yeah, of courus chorus, if it'll if it? 657 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: Don't know what that means, professing undying love to his wife. 658 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the fact that that's what you think of, 659 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: profssing undying love. I'm spelling everything wrong, But he understands me. 660 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: Mine is called g Is it gonna to sing it 661 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: to us? I don't know, we're going to see. 662 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 2: I think there are apps that actually will sing it 663 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 2: to you if you tried this. The one I was 664 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 2: doing was a beta test, and it could use your 665 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: voice if you gave it permission to. So for the 666 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 2: beta test, they used my actual voice for it. But 667 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: I don't think any company could just do that because. 668 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: They got the song is called every time I say I. 669 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 2: Do every time I say I do. 670 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: You could kill that? I hear you a love letter 671 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: and lyrics from John Legend and Christy. 672 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: Oh here we go. 673 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: I've said I love you a thousand ways, in burnt toasts, 674 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: mornings and get away days. 675 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: I don't see that I don't try AI in this 676 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: why I'm not worried about my job security. 677 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: In the silence when you fall asleep, and in the 678 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: chaos when the baby scream. You've seen my soul in 679 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: every shade, from my Sunday best to my worst mistakes, 680 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: and somehow, even when I lose my way, you still stay. 681 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: This is not terrible, John, It's not terrible. Where's the 682 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: eye do part? It comes to the chorus. 683 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 2: Okay, here's the chorus. 684 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: So every time I say I do, I mean I 685 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: choose this life again with you, through every storm, every 686 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: high and low. You're the reason. You're the home. You're 687 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: the melody I fall into. So every time I say 688 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: I do, I do. 689 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at 690 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 2: that chorus. 691 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: Now you would have to put melody to and not have. 692 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 2: To massage it and. 693 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: All the things you do. Do you think this is 694 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: something you would ever play around with? 695 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 2: Well? I think there are plenty of songwriters already doing it, 696 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: so like it's happening. 697 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,439 Speaker 1: I have John Legend. 698 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 2: I haven't done it yet, but I feel like that 699 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 2: would be a starter to you. That would be a starter. Yeah, 700 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 2: that would be a starter for a song. And then 701 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: I would make it better. You'd have to make it better. 702 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: So you still believe in us as humans and our 703 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: God given talents absolutely over that. 704 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And and but I think what AI does is 705 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 2: what just happened, is like it gives you enough of 706 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: a starter for an idea that you can massage and 707 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 2: edit and humanize. 708 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: And it gives you no anxiety. 709 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 2: That doesn't give me anxiety. And I think the reason 710 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 2: why is because I know I add so much humanity 711 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 2: and like experience and art to songwriting and I've been 712 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: doing it for such a long time that the AI 713 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 2: is just not going to duplicate it in that way. 714 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 2: But it can give you ideas and get you going. 715 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, Sure, where does that gift? What is 716 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: your relationship like with that gift? 717 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: But to get the songwriting? First of all, I truly 718 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 2: love it, Like I get so much joy, like pure joy. 719 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: It's amazing, Like I just wrote a song the other day. 720 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 2: It was for a film, and so I had kind 721 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 2: of a clear like direction where I was going, and 722 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 2: I wrote it in like two or three hours, and 723 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 2: I was like, I am so lucky that I get 724 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 2: to go go to work create something that did not 725 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 2: exist before, and be like genuinely proud of it. And 726 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 2: it's a brand new thing that is this in the 727 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 2: world that didn't exist before. Like, I feel like that's 728 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 2: an amazing gift to have, totally, and I like every 729 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 2: day I pinch myself that I get to do this 730 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: for a living. 731 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: Okay, damn we started this, But I think I know 732 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: this answer. On a scale of one to ten, how 733 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: happy are you today, I'm like, I'm real good. I 734 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: feel that from you. Yeah, I feel like I almost 735 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: didn't need to ask. 736 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 2: I feel very happy. But like I said, I'm like 737 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 2: reading the news, so I'm like, I'm so happy in 738 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 2: my own life and everything that's going on in my 739 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 2: own life. But it is sad when I read the 740 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 2: news and see like death and war and you know, 741 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 2: the government kidnapping people, So like I can't be at 742 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 2: a full ten because it's still in the back of 743 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 2: my mind the world. Yeah. 744 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're operating pretty high up there. Good for you. 745 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: In real life? What do you pray for most? 746 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 2: I just pray for my family, Like I want them 747 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 2: to be healthy and safe and and you know, when 748 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 2: you have four kids, I guess, like like you were 749 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 2: talking about before, it gives you something to always be 750 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 2: worried about the rest of your life for yeah, and 751 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 2: so you know, like so I think the most constant 752 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 2: prayer is just that my kids are healthy and happy 753 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: and and and and also like beyond like just surviving, 754 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 2: Like you want them to like genuinely be happy and 755 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 2: thrive and find something they love to do and are 756 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 2: fulfilled by and all that good stuff. And they got 757 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 2: some time to figure that out. But you want all 758 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 2: that for your kids. 759 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: And you've experienced the other part of it. You've come 760 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: up out of it and even honest about grief. 761 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 2: And yeah, it was a tough time. It was really tough. 762 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: Ye How do you pick yourself back up from that? 763 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 2: Well, you need each other and you need to support 764 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 2: each other and then therapy. You gotta talk about it. 765 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 2: You got to have love around you. And I think 766 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 2: it helped that we had the kids that we have, 767 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 2: you know, because you remain like so grateful for them 768 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 2: and are so appreciative of what they mean to your life, 769 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 2: and so it helps you kind of get through the 770 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 2: loss because you know you have something to continue to. 771 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: Live for, so focusing on what you have right. 772 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 773 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: Okay, when was the last time in real life that 774 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: you cried from gratitude? 775 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 2: Oh? Today, it was recent. I think it had some 776 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 2: of you with my kids, that man, having kids makes 777 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 2: me kids. I'm a softy about my kids. Like I 778 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 2: was never like a crier, I told you, I'm emotionally like. 779 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 2: I was never a crier until I started having kids. 780 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 2: And like, it'll be like just the little things with them, 781 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 2: when they make me proud and when they say something 782 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 2: that like reflects on like our teachings to them, and 783 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 2: they're like kind to each other and like and you 784 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 2: just feel like, oh, they're actually listening so what we 785 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 2: try to indoctrinate them with. And you see that manifested 786 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 2: and it's a beautiful thing and that does make me 787 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,919 Speaker 2: cry sometime. Yeah, you are emotions. 788 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: You are not a robot. 789 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 2: I'm not a robot all the time. 790 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: And your name is legend, But how often do you 791 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: think about your legacy? 792 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 2: I think about it. And I think during this season 793 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 2: of like celebrating Get Lifted, and I've been telling my 794 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 2: story a lot more Like before this Get Lifted tour, 795 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 2: We've been doing a Songs and Stories tour that was 796 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 2: just me solo, so it's like a one man show. 797 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 2: I was telling my story, playing songs and piano, going 798 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 2: back and forth. 799 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: Beautiful. 800 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 2: And this whole era of my life has been in 801 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 2: some ways about reflecting on everything that I've done so far, 802 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 2: and at the same time, I'm creating new music. Album 803 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 2: is gonna come out next year, and so I'm never 804 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 2: like just resting on what I did before. But I'm 805 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 2: also like genuinely celebrating my legacy right now and then 806 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,720 Speaker 2: continue to try to build another chapter of that legacy. 807 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,720 Speaker 2: So I do think about it. And you know, Legend 808 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 2: was a nickname. It was first started by j Ivy. 809 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 2: He's a spoken word artist from Chicago, and he was 810 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 2: in the studio with us with me and Kanye. We 811 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 2: were making College Dropout and he started calling me the Legend. 812 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 2: And you know, at this time in my life, I'm 813 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 2: not signed yet, I'm not a legend by any stretch, 814 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 2: no imagination, and I'm like how are you gonna call 815 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 2: yourself legend? Well, you don't even have a record deal. 816 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 2: But it gave me something to like aspire to, to 817 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 2: live up to, and so it made me even more 818 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 2: so think, well, I need to make a legacy this 819 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 2: worthy of me deciding to go ahead and call myself 820 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 2: this as a stage name. Like, if you're going to 821 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 2: call yourself John Legend, you better come correct. And so 822 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 2: I've been trying to build a legacy that's worthy of it. 823 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,839 Speaker 1: What do you hope people that like take away from 824 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: your life? Like if you have to think about like 825 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 1: what people learn from. 826 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 2: You, Well, I want people to feel the love and 827 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,240 Speaker 2: the light in the music. I want them to connect 828 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 2: with it and make it part of their lives. And 829 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 2: we've seen that happen, you know already. Like I want 830 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 2: to make the world more beautiful, Like is that my 831 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,280 Speaker 2: job as an artist is let's make the world more beautiful. 832 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 2: And I'm just going to keep trying to do that. 833 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Well done, sir, everybody in real life, 834 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: thank you.