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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars Bizarre and Lazar O everybody nailed

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Speaker 1: it joined us always by our Here is Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: I'm not in like any sort of panic about the

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Speaker 2: run defense is because Tonga and Milton Williams are supposed

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Speaker 2: to be coming back, right, So a big part of

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Speaker 2: this is that you're missing your three hundred and thirty

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Speaker 2: So if you get those two guys back, then in theory,

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Speaker 2: your run defense should come back around. But after really

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Speaker 2: having an excellent first nine weeks of the season, the

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Speaker 2: Patriots run defense in the last four games of the

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Speaker 2: season are allowing a fifty five point one percent success

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Speaker 2: rate that is dead last in the NFL. They're the

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Speaker 2: worst run defense in football the last month of the season.

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Speaker 3: You can need that run defense to pick it back up?

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Speaker 2: Can I need that run defense On Sunday against the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills and James Cook And one of the more

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Speaker 2: underrated parts of this Bills team is their run game.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, Allan gets a lot of

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Speaker 2: the tension obviously, but their their run game really over

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years has been a huge part

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Speaker 2: of their offense and a huge part of their consistency of.

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Speaker 3: Their past game for the last I mean going back

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Speaker 3: to last year.

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Speaker 2: Maybe well, I mean want MVP of the league last year.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of that was because it was rushing numbers.

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Speaker 2: Oh well him individually, sure, I meant more of their

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Speaker 2: traditional runs. Yeah, no, they good run game. Anyways, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk bills. We have a little bye week exercise

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Speaker 2: that we want to get to as well here today,

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Speaker 2: and we'll also try to open it up a little

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Speaker 2: bit more here today because we don't have a game

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Speaker 2: to break down, Alex, we don't have a good bad

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Speaker 2: and stuff that gets you beat because the Patriots did

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Speaker 2: not play last week on Sunday, I do also want

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Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the week that was

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Speaker 2: in the NFL and take this opportunity to talk about

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Speaker 2: some of these other teams, hopefully not get myself into

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Speaker 2: any trouble this time around with the fan bases of

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Speaker 2: these other teams. And you know, it's so sensitive out

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Speaker 2: there these days, Alex, like all these people are so

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Speaker 2: sensitive and it's not just.

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Speaker 3: How dare people like their football teams?

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Speaker 2: No, but it's got the whining on social media every

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Speaker 2: single time somebody says something mean about your favorite team

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Speaker 2: has gotten excessive, like last night across sports for a second.

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Speaker 3: Last night, I.

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Speaker 2: Tweeted about Jason Tatum's workout videos, which was great to see,

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Speaker 2: by the way, But I tweet that and I think

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Speaker 2: I said, you know, the Celtics would be favorites in

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Speaker 2: the East if Tatum comes back and is healthy, which

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Speaker 2: I did not think was all that controversial seeing that

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Speaker 2: they are currently playing pretty well without them.

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Speaker 3: This is not a Celtics show.

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Speaker 2: I'm just let me.

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Speaker 3: You want to take your relap on the Celtics, okay.

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Speaker 2: And the response that I have gotten from that tweet

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Speaker 2: is a bunch of Knicks fans in my company.

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Speaker 3: They lost to the Celtics. You know, the Celtics lost

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Speaker 3: to the Knicks. Wit tatums. Okay, I get it, I

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Speaker 3: get it.

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Speaker 2: Broncos fans, Bill's fans, Knicks fans, calm down, just stay

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Speaker 2: out of it, stay out of my mention. Stop searching

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Speaker 2: your team's names on Twitter and then complaining and whining.

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Speaker 3: It's gotten excessive. It's not fun. I don't like it.

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Speaker 3: Please stop, just please stop.

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Speaker 2: I'll be I'll try to be less loud about things,

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Speaker 2: but you guys gotta start, you know, having a little

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, I had a wonderful time getting along with both

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Speaker 3: Colts and Chargers fans. Yeah, that's because you've been gassing

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Speaker 3: up this stupid story. All right, Can I can I.

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Speaker 2: A start here? It's it's Evan, It's Alex Stocks behind

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Speaker 2: the glass. By the way, it's Catch twenty two. Hello Evan,

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Speaker 2: it may right into it.

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Speaker 3: It maybe the moment was we get to do this

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Speaker 3: and maybe the most predictable outcome of all time. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Evan has zero interest in the Philip Rivers story. None way,

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Speaker 3: he does zero. He's not amused. He doesn't think it's fun.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't think it's funny, none of it. He has.

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Speaker 3: It peaks his intra zero that a forty four year

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Speaker 3: play on less than a week's notice. This moves the

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Speaker 3: needle for you. Zero. Okay, So it's just wacky. First

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Speaker 3: of all, First of all, the fact that he's a

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Speaker 3: Not the first NFL grandfather, not Aaron Rodgers, Brett fav

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Speaker 2: So like, he's a forty four year old grandfather. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think like verin very more about Philip Rivers than

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Speaker 2: it does. That doesn't tell me he's old, Like you're

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Speaker 2: in forty four year old. There's not a whole lot

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Speaker 3: It's not like a ten year old grandkid. It's very recent.

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Speaker 3: I pretty sure last year. Okay, all right, keep going.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it like they're I don't mean to out them

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Speaker 2: but that that's part number one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Part number two is like like we're like why

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Speaker 2: Have to be it's or we're meming or Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: how funny, Like it's not funny? Does is he gonna

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Speaker 2: the humor in this?

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Speaker 3: It's not just humor. It's an intriguing storyline. The guys. This,

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Speaker 3: here's the thing. If they were a two win team,

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Speaker 3: I think people would be looking at it as more

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Speaker 2: And the NFL is a totally different conversation. The NFL

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Speaker 2: is it's a totally different conversation. No, No, I have

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Speaker 2: no problem with talking about it in terms of what

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Speaker 2: if they're relevant now with him as quarterback. What I

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Speaker 2: Like what's funny?

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Speaker 3: It's a little goofy that you here's funny about it?

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Speaker 3: There's nothing there is there is when it comes to

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Speaker 3: who's closer to AARP?

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Speaker 2: They are like, it's not seventy.

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Speaker 3: It's the NFL, it's the NFL. In the NFL is anomal.

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Speaker 2: We're starting to get up there in age. If forty

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Speaker 3: Close to AARP, is there fifty five? Then we're ten

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Speaker 2: But you've been thinking about that?

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Speaker 3: There's no I actually just came up with that. No,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll be asked to take but this is

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Speaker 3: what makes it fascinating. And two, the NFL is a

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Speaker 3: copycat league. If this works, oh my god, Like, what

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Speaker 2: But like you know it, we become Celtics catch twenty

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Speaker 3: It's you can't deny it's a major NFL story.

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Speaker 2: Major as a stretch, it's a story.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's all Schefter was tweeting about yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Because he's because like what he and all of the

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Speaker 3: I just I don't know how you can't find it

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Speaker 2: Find it interesting. Is it important or interesting?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's interesting now it is the chance

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Speaker 3: to become important. Find out the way.

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Speaker 2: If it comes important, I'll be interested.

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Speaker 3: But the fact that it has the chance to become

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Speaker 2: I just I just I'm sorry. I just you know,

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Speaker 3: The fact that doesn't move the needle for you blows

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Speaker 3: like everybody else, I don't know what that means. You

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Speaker 3: Now, do you think it's gonna work? God, it's so

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Speaker 3: And I know he knows the playbook, but.

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Speaker 2: Like, I don't know. I couldn't tell you.

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Speaker 3: I didn't cover the I find those elements of it

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Speaker 2: Can we move on now?

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Speaker 2: All right, So I want to I've been back in it.

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Speaker 2: Do we open bye week? Do we open bills? I

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Speaker 2: thinking about this. I'll you know, the last couple of days.

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Speaker 2: This is probably the biggest game the Patriots have played

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Speaker 2: I would say the week sixteen game against Buffalo where

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Speaker 2: time around, and they did that time that time. They

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Speaker 2: in like sixteen twenty twenty one, and then the Bills

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Speaker 2: So a little bit more margin for this time around

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Speaker 2: for this Patriots team. But it's definitely the biggest game

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Speaker 2: at Gialette Stadium since twenty twenty one, probably the biggest

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Speaker 2: you selec I said, Alex, this is the biggest Patriots

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Speaker 2: game that they've had that we've covered in four years,

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Speaker 2: which I don't think is in the NFL. That is

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Speaker 2: a lot of time like that is a long time

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Speaker 2: Is biggest game of Patriots have played at Gellette Stadium

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Speaker 3: But there's just certain way they can clinch the division

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Speaker 3: They among the league leaders and turnovers year. I think

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Speaker 3: you go and you hope it they turn it over

438
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Speaker 3: that many times. I don't think you expect that you

439
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 3: can't count on it three times. I don't. Anyways, let's

440
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,400
Speaker 3: they've turned the ball. They've turned the ball over five

441
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 3: games in a row, and three of those five in

442
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Speaker 3: their last five games, they've turned the ball over at

443
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Speaker 3: least once in each game. In three of those five,

444
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Speaker 3: they've turned the ball over three times. Yeah, I guess.

445
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I just look at this game and

446
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 2: I you got your you got they got the you know,

447
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 2: kind of the sloppy Bills the first time around. I

448
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 2: would say in a lot of ways, I just don't.

449
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 3: Know if that I think the Bills are sloppy football team.

450
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Speaker 2: Here we go. I knew this was coming.

451
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Speaker 3: It's not a Bill team. They've turned the ball over. Okay,

452
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 3: they've turned the ball over eighteen times this year. They

453
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 3: turned the ball over eighteen times this year. I can't

454
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 3: just sit there, Bill, they're a sloppy football team.

455
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Speaker 2: I didn't say they weren't a sloppy football team, just

456
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Speaker 2: did I said they you got the sloppy version of

457
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Speaker 2: Buffalo and week.

458
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Speaker 3: That implies that there's a non sloppy version. I think

459
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Speaker 3: there is a non sloppy version. Well relatively.

460
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Speaker 2: I don't think that there's a version of the Bills

461
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Speaker 2: that doesn't turn it over three times again, it's called

462
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Speaker 2: for eleven penalties.

463
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Speaker 3: There's no like, there's that their good team. There's everyone

464
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 3: is a little higher. They're averaging seven penalties a game,

465
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Speaker 3: so that one's probably a little high. They're not averaging

466
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Speaker 3: three turnovers again, No, but They've done it four times

467
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 3: this year, including three times in the last five weeks.

468
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Speaker 2: And they played thirteen games so the year. But as

469
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Speaker 2: of late, I don't think this is gonna happen exactly

470
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Speaker 2: the way that happened a week five.

471
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Speaker 3: I would not bet over two and a half turnovers

472
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Speaker 3: for the Buffalo Bills, Okay, but I think to say, well, no,

473
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Speaker 3: they're gonna play a really clean football game. They haven't

474
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Speaker 3: shown a lot of evidence that they can do that.

475
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 3: They're gonna play football game is maybe cleaner, but cleaner

476
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Speaker 3: is not clean. I don't know exactly how it's gonna

477
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Speaker 3: manifest itself, but they're not exactly it's we did this

478
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Speaker 3: last time. The problem everybody thinks I have with Alan

479
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 3: is more about McDermott. It's not a tight operation, and

480
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Speaker 3: that's been exposed more often than not this year.

481
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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's good put that to the side because

482
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Speaker 2: we can agree to disagree there. In terms of the

483
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Speaker 2: actual way the game is schematically unfolded. I think one

484
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: of the big things that happened in this game just

485
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Speaker 2: sticking with the Patriots offense for a second against the

486
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Speaker 2: Bills defense. Ye, in the first half, the Bill's played

487
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Speaker 2: a lot of coverage blitz May very much. They they

488
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: had a good first half and both defenses kind of

489
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: won the first half. In the second half, they came

490
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: out and they blitzed May on fifty percent of his

491
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 2: drop backs, and he shredded them. He completed like ninety

492
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Speaker 2: three percent of his passes one hundred and eighty yards passing.

493
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Speaker 2: He was excellent, unbelievably good in the second half in Buffalo.

494
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: Made some unbelievable throws, you know, the ones to digs,

495
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Speaker 2: you know, the booty hole shot to set up the

496
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Speaker 2: game winning field goal. Just all in general, just was

497
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Speaker 2: unbelievable in the second half. I think, not again, I'm

498
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Speaker 2: not taking anything away from Drake May. I just think

499
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Speaker 2: that the Bills this time around, if they're smart at least,

500
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Speaker 2: and I do think that they will do this. I

501
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Speaker 2: don't think they're gonna blitz them.

502
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Speaker 3: That's a little bit of an if, but you would

503
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Speaker 3: think they learned their lessons.

504
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Speaker 2: You were just so salty about the Bills. You can't

505
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 2: give him any cret.

506
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Speaker 3: Have you not watched this team this year ninety they're

507
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Speaker 3: not terrible like they're nine and four, because six and seven,

508
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 3: they're nine and four. Because Josh Allen just keeps doing

509
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 3: ridiculous things and bailing out the rest of the roster.

510
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Speaker 2: Wow, that was so nice of you.

511
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Speaker 3: As I've always said about the Bills, Josh, that was

512
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Speaker 3: big of you, as I've always said, a call like

513
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Speaker 3: I see, there's.

514
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Speaker 2: Gonna be like fifty percent of the people that are

515
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: gonna absolutely hate the first twenty three minutes of the

516
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: show because we are just bickering. Uh. Anyways, So I

517
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: the Bills blitzed Drake may a ton in the second

518
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: half the first time around, he shredded their blitz. It

519
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: was not it was not a good strategy for them. Now,

520
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Speaker 2: I will say to your point, it does seem like

521
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Speaker 2: they kind of fall back on blitzing when things sorted

522
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Speaker 2: don't go well for the.

523
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Speaker 3: Eensively, they're not a game playing team. They're gonna do

524
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Speaker 3: what they're gonna.

525
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: Do well, but they they they aren't a game plan team.

526
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Speaker 2: But they actually don't blitz a ton, which is kind

527
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Speaker 2: of weird. Like overall for the season, they haven't blitzed

528
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: a ton. And my understanding and my you know, we've

529
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: studied McDermott now for nine years, Like it's not a blitz.

530
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: I would not call their defense blitz. A blitz defense

531
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Speaker 2: like this is not Brian Flora right, that's coming here.

532
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 2: They actually play, you know, I would call McDermott a

533
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: cover two guy, like I think he's a cover two

534
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 2: scheme kind of guy. Obviously four to three front, you know, overfronts,

535
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 2: you know, things like that, a lot of nickel, and

536
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: a lot of these things have changed this year. They

537
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: haven't played as much nickel. They're much more base and

538
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: dime heavy defense, and they've ever been under Sean McDermott.

539
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: Their defense right now, I think is probably the worst

540
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Speaker 2: Bills defense McDermott has ever had because he's a good

541
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Speaker 2: defensive coach. He is, and he's always given their system

542
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 2: has always given the Patriots and problems, especially the McDaniels offense.

543
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 2: Even Brady had some like kind of clunkers against Buffalo

544
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Speaker 2: since McDermott has been there. So they usually don't play

545
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 2: a blitz happy defense. They were blitz happy in the

546
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 2: second half against Drake Main week five and got torched.

547
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: I just don't expect that to happen again this time around.

548
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: And this kind of goes to what we were going

549
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: to talk about in terms of the bye week exercise.

550
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 2: I don't know why people keep button Drake May and

551
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to continue as the competition

552
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: and as the team start to get more game plan

553
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: heavy and you know, how do we beat the Patriots

554
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. He's just been excellent all year

555
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: long against the Blitz. So I expect Buffalo to play

556
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: a lot more coverage in this game. And and my

557
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: second point about that, I think is related. In the

558
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: first matchup, they did not have Christian Benford shadow Stefan Diggs.

559
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: He didn't travel with Stefan Diggs. So the Patriots got

560
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: Steffan Diggs a lot on Tredavius White, a matchup that

561
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 2: he handledly won. And then they also got him in

562
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: the slot a lot where he saw linebackers, safety, slot corners,

563
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: Toron Johnson, you know that sort of thing. And he

564
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: just had a game. You know, Diggs just went off.

565
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: So my guess is, if I was Buffalo, if I

566
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: was kind of game planning for Buffalo, the two things

567
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 2: that I would do. I would not blitz, right, I

568
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: played coverage. And the second thing I would do especially

569
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: on high leverage situations, you know, third fourth downs, things

570
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 2: like that, you know, Benford's a good player, and I

571
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 2: think Benford needs to Shoutowtefon Diggs. If I was Buffalo,

572
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: That's what I would do differently than what I did

573
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: in Week five.

574
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Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious with Diggs. Do we get you know,

575
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: he was everybody saw him during that game. He was

576
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: on another level. And it's understandable, right, like he's going

577
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: back to Buffalo for the first time and all that.

578
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: It's not in Buffalo, But like, do we get and

579
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: Diggs has been good outside of that Bills game and

580
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 3: he took it, he took it to another place there.

581
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: Do we get that stef On Diggs again in this game?

582
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 3: Because Benford's good dig Diggs can beat him. Diggs can

583
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: beat them enough if you get that version of him.

584
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Speaker 3: But I also wonder if they do do that. You know,

585
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: Kishawn Booty had a good game against them in that

586
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: first game. Does that open him up to do a

587
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: little bit more? Does it open Pop Douglas up to

588
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 3: do a little bit more and kind of test them

589
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: with some speed? So their secondary, I mean, their secondary

590
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: is not good, Jay, It's really not. So I'd be

591
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: curious where the Patriots go if that's the adjustment the

592
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 3: Bills make.

593
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Speaker 2: So they're twenty second right now Buffalo and Dvoa. On defense,

594
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: they're seventeenth against the pass. They're thirtieth against the run. Now,

595
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 2: they've always been a little bit of a leaky run

596
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: defense because they play so much nickel, but they've been

597
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: This is as bad of a Buffalo pass defense as

598
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: the Patriots have faced in the last you know, since

599
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: really twenty twenty, since the Bills became you know, started

600
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: winning the division every year. So that this defense is

601
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: I would say vulnerable if I was, you know, looking

602
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: at it objectively. The other thing that I mean, I

603
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: want to get to more of that in a second.

604
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, the other thing. Just let's talk about.

605
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: The other side of the ball and then we can

606
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: sort of talk about the current state of the Bills

607
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: a little bit more. The first time around, the Patriots,

608
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: I think the number one thing that they did that

609
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: was really important in that game was they shut down

610
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: James Cook and I don't know if they have those

611
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: levers anymore without Milton Williams, and hopefully they get Toga back,

612
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: who was out there on Monday but still looked kind

613
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: of limited in practice. We'll find out more about that

614
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: over the next couple of days. But in the first matchup,

615
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: thirty six percent rushing success rate for James Cook. Below

616
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: average certainly for him, but even for the league. They

617
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: really kind of shut down Buffalo's run game, and they

618
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: put them in second and third and long, put the

619
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: game in Allen's hands, you know, made the pass offense

620
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: beat them, that sort of thing. I understand that sounds

621
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: counterintuitive when you're going up against Josh Allen and the

622
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: MVP of the.

623
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: League, when you look at his who his receivers.

624
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: Are any quarterback that if you live in third and

625
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: long is gonna have not as.

626
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 3: Great of a day as you could except Drake May apparently.

627
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even Drake May is converting third and long's

628
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: at like forty We thought first week, aren't last week.

629
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: Aren't they better on like fourth and five than they

630
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: are on third and one.

631
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: It's close enough, Yeah, it's if they're not technically, but

632
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: it's relative to the situation. It's it's pretty clear it's

633
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: closer than it should be given the circumstances. But shutting

634
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: down James Cook the first time around, I think was

635
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: a huge part of it. I keep saying it Their

636
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: most consistent part of the Buffalo offense is their run game.

637
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: Ye their pass game is extremely explosive and Allen is

638
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: extremely dangerous. Still scrambles, you know, second react, you know,

639
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: extended plays, all that kind of stuff. They're number in

640
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: the league and explosive play rate across the board. But

641
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: in terms of their run game, you know, we saw

642
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago what they did to Pittsburgh.

643
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: You know, that was two hundred and fifty yards on

644
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: the ground right at you right, And if you play

645
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: that kind of game against Buffalo, then you know they're

646
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: more under center, they're more run heavy. They're basically setting

647
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: career highs for Josh Allen and like designed run rate,

648
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: under center rate, play action rate, like all those things

649
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: are up across the board from Buffalo right now. They

650
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: are a turnaround, hand the ball, off run the football

651
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: type of team right now. Like that that's what they do,

652
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: you know, play action, move the pocket, under center, all

653
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. That's that's sort of been their identity.

654
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: And I think to your point about the turnovers, I

655
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: think that that's a response to them trying to be

656
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: a little bit keep it a little bit more on

657
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: the rails and be a little bit more consistent and

658
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: a little bit more you know, had better ball security,

659
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: take less sacks like all that kind of stuff. But

660
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: that was a big part of that game back in

661
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: week five, was shutting down James Cook.

662
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you made the point there at the beginning,

663
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: and Mike Rabel has asked this on Monday, like how

664
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: viable is the film from week five and how much

665
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 3: do you look at that versus things changing? To me,

666
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: the biggest change from week five week five, right, week four,

667
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: week five, yep, the biggest change from week five to

668
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: now is the Patriots not having Milton Williams. That is

669
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: the biggest difference. We didn't talk about it enough after

670
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: that game, I think probably because it was Drake May's

671
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: coming out party on the national stage. But Milton Williams

672
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: was so good in that game. He's playing hurt and

673
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: he was so good in that game, containing the run,

674
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: running down Josh Allen in the pocket when he's trying

675
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: to scramble, things like that. He was awesome. And that's

676
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: a major loss. Like he said, getting Tonga back will

677
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: help if they get him back. You know, mitigates it

678
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: a little bit, but you really, really miss Milton Williams

679
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: in this game because he was so good against the

680
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: Bills in that last matchup. That to me is the

681
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: biggest hurdle for the Patriots in terms of, you know,

682
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: game planning and adjustments you're gonna have to make because

683
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: playing team twice in a year, there's always a little

684
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: more that us going to the game plan. Yeah, the

685
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: biggest adjustment for the Patriots is how do you replace

686
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: what Milton Williams gave you in that first game? Yeah, No,

687
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: it's absolutely true.

688
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: The other element of that game fort man coverage for

689
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: the Patriots in that game was was not their highest

690
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: but close to their highest.

691
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: And the way they played man coverage they bottle. Isn't

692
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: that off you know, soft, because they were. It's the

693
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: way you know, we've talked about, at least I talked

694
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: about it. That's how I've kind of wanted them to

695
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: play coverage all year. Yeah, and so hopefully that comes back.

696
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: I like, I really liked the way they played coverage

697
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: in that game that I wouldn't mind seeing come back. Agreed.

698
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: I think that that was probably my favorite game they've

699
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: played all year from a coverage plan perspective. Yeah, you know,

700
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: man to man on these receivers. Buffalo's receivers are not

701
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: anything to write home about. You know, Khalisha care is

702
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: a nice player, Daltkin Kaid's a nice player when he's healthy.

703
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: But this is not prime Stefan Diggs in Buffalo anymore,

704
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: where it's impossible to play man coverage against the.

705
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: Guy that good.

706
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: They don't have that number one, true number one receiver.

707
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: Now it's worked in their favor at times because they've

708
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: spread the ball around a little bit more than maybe

709
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: they did during the Digs years. But like I was saying,

710
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: in terms of like their run game, you know, they

711
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: don't they don't do what they used to do. This

712
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: is not an aggressive early down pass offense anymore. That's

713
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: just throw throw, throw, throw throw. You know, this is

714
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: a much more balanced team. This is a much more

715
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: run centric team. Uh And just kind of going to

716
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: what they are currently right now. You know, I think

717
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: a couple of things about their offense, and we can

718
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: we're probably closer to on the same page about this

719
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: and than maybe we think. You know, I think the

720
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: number one thing that I would see with their offense

721
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: is that and I'm hoping that with the extra week

722
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: that like Vrabel and the coaching staff is going to

723
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: be able to really be prepared for this game. I

724
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: see a lot of repeat plays on their film. They

725
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: run the same, like half a dozen plays in certain situations.

726
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: You know, they run a lot of mesh on third down,

727
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: you know, crossing routes over the middle of the field.

728
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: Usually it's mesh rail where they peer with a wheel

729
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: route out of the backfield by cook or Shakir on

730
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: motion or something like that. They run a lot of mesh.

731
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: They run a lot of outside zone, especially to the

732
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: weak side of the formation. They run a lot of duo.

733
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: They run a lot of the same plays. They just

734
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: run them all well, and so they kind of just

735
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: are that type of offense right now. There's certain though,

736
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: you know, situational indicators and just kind of keys that

737
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: you can read. I was texting you about this the

738
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: other day. They run this like pop pass play action

739
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: that we've saw for years with Rob Gronkowski with the

740
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: Patriots and Tom Brady. You pull the backside guard, you

741
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: get the linebackers to bite up on the pole, and

742
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: then you hit the crossing route to the tight end

743
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: or the same route to the tight end right behind

744
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: the linebackers once they step up into the line of scrimmage.

745
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: They want to guess, how often do you think that

746
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: they actually run the ball from under center with a puller,

747
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: actually run it, not play action, but hand the ball

748
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: off to James Cook.

749
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: Is it a round number? It is a very low

750
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 3: round number. Zero five percent. Okay, five percent of the time,

751
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: because zero's round, that's the joke. So five is not

752
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: a round.

753
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, five percent of the time they actually run the ball.

754
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: So I was saying to you this the other day, like,

755
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: why would you scream downhill at the line of scrimmage

756
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: if you see them pull a guard Like that's clearly

757
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: it's clearly going to be play action. It's going to

758
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: be play action ninety five percent of the time. So

759
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: there's these little indicators, these little keys, these types of

760
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: things that when you watch this Bill's offense on film, Uh,

761
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: with some extra time to prepare for it, I think

762
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: the Patriots are going to be able to key on

763
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: these things. Now, that's not to say it's easy to

764
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: stop them, because they have Josh Allen. They have a

765
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: good offense. You know, they're top five in the league

766
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: in pretty much every metric. If you want to go

767
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: with points, you want to go at EPA, you want

768
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: to go with yards, DVA, whatever they're They're very good offense,

769
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: but they've become predictable a little bit on offense. I

770
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: think the main reason they've become so predictable is that

771
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 2: it's been a revolving door of weapons around Josh Allen

772
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: trying to find the right mix, and so just they

773
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: don't have a ton of time on task. You know,

774
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: we talk a lot about the Patriots and their health

775
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. A big part of that is

776
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: that May Digs, Booty, Henry Douglas. They've all been repping

777
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: since like July. You know, Gabe Davis, yeah he's been

778
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: there before, but with this collection, in this group, Gave

779
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: Davis just got there like three weeks ago, Brandon Cooks

780
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: just got there like two weeks ago or one week again.

781
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: Cooks hadn't even been in the system before.

782
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: So, like we're talking about a lot of new favorite

783
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: you know, Shavers is playing a ton for them on

784
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: the outside. He's a new player to this group. So

785
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: I think you look at all these different types of things.

786
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: I do think that there are certain things that if

787
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: you just key in on situational tendencies. You know, they

788
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: don't run the ball very much at a poller, you

789
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: know with pollers, so if you see a pulling guard,

790
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: then it's probably play action. It's probably not a run.

791
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: They have a lot of window dressing or eye candy

792
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: to their offense. They're number one in the league in

793
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: motion rate. They have a lot of false pullers with

794
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: your run actions. They do a lot of this different

795
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: stuff and then they play kind of develops after the

796
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: snap and it's kind of the same thing, right, You

797
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: just kind of have to sort through the mess first.

798
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: So if you have good eye discipline, you're good with

799
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: your keys, anticipation, things like that. I do think there

800
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: is a formula here man coverage, you know, understanding their

801
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: situational tendencies and their go to plays that you see

802
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: games like Houston where they sack Allen eight times and

803
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: they kind of dominate the game defensively.

804
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a breakdown. How much to add you're

805
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: right they I mean against the Steelers, how many times

806
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: did they run that same so they you know, outside

807
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: it was outside zone stretch run whatever that was.

808
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: So they ran between outside zone and duo, which is

809
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: just the downhill double teams, which is the compliment to

810
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: outside zone for a lot of these teams, they ran

811
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: the ball taking Allen scrambles out. They ran it forty

812
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: three times. Forty out of forty three runs were those

813
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: two plays outside zone or.

814
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: You know, the Steelers never adjusted to it, So at

815
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: a shirt at a certain point, shame on the Steelers

816
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 3: for that. Yeah, it's not They're not exactly going Joe

817
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: Brady's not going deep in the bag. She think it's

818
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: not a deep bag for Joe Brady right now.

819
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: What they do really and like I said, they just

820
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: dress up the plays differently, So they have motions they use,

821
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: you know, maybe a slightly different formation, or maybe they

822
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: run it out of a slightly different personnel grouping. You know,

823
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: they're big eleven, twelve, twenty one, they kind of use

824
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: all three. So sometimes they just kind of like, we're

825
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: gonna run outside zone out of eleven, and then we're

826
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: gonna put twelve on the field and it's still gonna

827
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 2: be outside zone, but now we're just running it out

828
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: of different groupings. So it's presented a little bit differently

829
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: to the defense, and so that type of stuff can

830
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: be difficult for defenses. You know, how are we gonna

831
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: match twelve? Are we gonna match twelve in base or

832
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: are we gonna match twelve in nickel?

833
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 4: Right?

834
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: Like, how are we gonna handle you know, those types

835
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: of different formations and groupings. But at the end of

836
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: the day, when they snap the ball, it's just outside zone, right,

837
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: So if you can get through all of the mess,

838
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: all the nonsense. Now, the other element of this, the

839
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: numbers in the eye test tell you that they have

840
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: been worse against man coverage than they have against zone coverage.

841
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: Allen's been really really good against zone all year. I

842
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: think a big part of that is zone is quarterback

843
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: and system typically like just rule of thumb, the quarterback

844
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: reading out the coverage, finding the space in the zone,

845
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: and then scheme like scheming open receivers. Man to man

846
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: is about the receivers, like we're gonna put this game

847
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: on Bruffalo's receivers. Your guys against our guys. Can you

848
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: win one on one matchups? So it's still again a

849
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: net positive, but so far they've been worse against man.

850
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: Now the tricky part against man, because I love the

851
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: Patriots cornerback trio against this Bill's weapons group like I

852
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: think Gonzales Davis and Marcus Jones have a really good

853
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: chance of like controlling this game in the secondary for

854
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: the Patriots. The rub is Allen right, like, how are

855
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: you going to rush him? How are you going to

856
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: spy him?

857
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: Potentially? And if you're in man now your back's turned,

858
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 3: so you have to.

859
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: So you have to have a exactly you have to

860
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: have a rush plan. You can't just play man to

861
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: man and then have all four guys in the rush

862
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: to pin their ears back. So whether that's rushing five

863
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: to try to cover all the gaps on the line

864
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, whether that's spying him, like whatever the case

865
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: may be, that you have to have some sort of

866
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: rush plan.

867
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: Who would you use it as a spy in this game?

868
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: Because they try?

869
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: I had Schooler and it didn't go so well in

870
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: Week five, got a penalty on the sideline.

871
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: We give another shot, I might say, yes, the athleticism,

872
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 3: if not him, Yeah, I don't know that this is

873
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: so I'm doing. It's nice when I'm talking about the

874
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 3: draft this kind this time of year, but I am

875
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: still doing my annual like you know, players to watch

876
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: in college football playoff thing. I started working on that yesterday. Yeah,

877
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of guys that like here are

878
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: a lot of linebackers that I'm just like the guy

879
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: like that that speed, you know, track down some of

880
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 3: these quarterbacks. I might give school another shot. If not him,

881
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe Marte Mapu, although he struggled in

882
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: that role against Alan in past years, He's done it

883
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: a little bit, so yeah, yeah, I might go Schooler again. Honestly.

884
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's to me that's one of the bigger

885
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: things about this matchup because I think the Patriots should

886
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: and will want to play as much man to man

887
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: as possible. But obviously you worry about Alan extending plays

888
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: or or just picking me right for try Dell Pettis

889
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 2: because he's just not that big, Like I think that's

890
00:40:59,440 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: the thing.

891
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 3: That's you need side. But he is. He's been playing

892
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: good football series on the field a lot.

893
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: That's the thing that the thing that like maybe Dell

894
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: p maybe they played dime with del Pettis. Yeah, and

895
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: it might not be Pettus who's the spy, but it

896
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: allows him to get some more speed on the field

897
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: to spy him. Uh.

898
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: The biggest thing with with.

899
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: Alan that I think is makes him so hard as

900
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: a runner is people don't realize how big he is,

901
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 2: Like he's he's legitimately close to Cam Newton.

902
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: Rabel talked about him.

903
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like six six two hundred and thirty five

904
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: two hundred and forty pounds.

905
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,959
Speaker 3: So he's a tank. He's six five seven.

906
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's tough to bring down in the open field

907
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: because of that. Uh so he and he's pretty fast,

908
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: but he's also just he's a tank. You know, he's

909
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: a tank in the open.

910
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: Field to thirty seven fields. I would take the over

911
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: on that. This isn't me insulting him, calling him fat.

912
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: I don't think he's your thirty seven. I think he's

913
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: closer to fifty.

914
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a big boy. Yeah, he's a he's a

915
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: big dude. All Right, everybody thinks that I'm a Josh

916
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: Allen apologist. Everybody thinks you hate Josh Allen. So before

917
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: we wrap this up, ye, where do you stand with

918
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: Josh Allen? Right now?

919
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 3: I mean I stand. I've always stood with Josh Allen.

920
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: He's a good quarterback. But I think sometimes people, for

921
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: whatever reason, like the love for this guy, are blinded

922
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 3: and in misplaced credit, Like the forty whatever yard touchdown

923
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: run he had against the Bengals. Don't be wrong, it's impressive.

924
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 3: We're not going to talk about how that was a

925
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: really stupid zero blitz by the Bengals and he had

926
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: a red carpet walk into the end zone, Like yeah,

927
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: that I gotta be Even as a Josh Allen guy,

928
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: that particular play didn't really move me, you know. So

929
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, he had the touchdown where it's

930
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 3: a good play by him to extend it. I think

931
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 3: it was the first touchdownchhound's ridiculous. Well, there's one where

932
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: it was forty four I think is Osai whoever it

933
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 3: was for the Bengals. Yeah, just doesn't turn around. If

934
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: he turns around, he breaks the pass up easily throw.

935
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: I think it was a good play to extend it.

936
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: But they could have been defended a lot better. So

937
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: that's just where I'm at, Like, yeah, he's a good player,

938
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: but I think people get you get too carried away

939
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 3: with him, and it just annoys me because at the

940
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 3: end of the day, and look, this won't be decided

941
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: this week. Yeah, he now has an MVP. Although it's

942
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: that I've called it the Joel Embat MVP got more

943
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: Lifetime Achievement Award than a real MVP. There it is

944
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: the postseason successes has not really been there, Like people

945
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: put him on the level and I know Burrow choked

946
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: badly in that game. Joe Burrow's been with super Bowl.

947
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: You know.

948
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson has multiple MVPs, Mahomes obviously Mahomes. I've just

949
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: always kind of struggled to put him in that tier

950
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: because the big picture accolade, he's a very talented player,

951
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: and he has moments where he's very impressive. He hasn't

952
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: reached that group with the big picture accolades.

953
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: In my mind, I think that's a fair assessment in

954
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: terms of the I mean, there's no arguing like he

955
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: hasn't made a Super Bowl. He's made one AFC Championship

956
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: game and lost.

957
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: And I'll say this too because people call in and

958
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: get Matt while you're hating him, and you still gotta

959
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: givehim a chance. I don't think Josh Allen is the

960
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: biggest reason the Bills have not won. I think it's

961
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 3: Sean McDermott. I can't be clear enough about that, Like

962
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: if they had another they should have gotten rid of

963
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: mcnermot two years ago. Yeah, they should have gotten rid

964
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 3: of him probably last year too, like I, well, yeah,

965
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: like they there are deeper issues there that, Like I

966
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: I don't think Josh Allen is a player that you

967
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: can't win with. I think that's more bills issue than

968
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 3: a Josh Allen issh you. But there are times that

969
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: he hasn't helped the cause.

970
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: So I think there's two things with Josh Allen that

971
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: sort of move the needle in my direction. The first

972
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: thing is obvious, like he's just fun to watch, like

973
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: he just makes some crazy plays. It's it's very similar

974
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: to Drake, like he's just yeah, they just make unworldly

975
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: plays like these just highlight reel plays.

976
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 3: So does Mahomes, So does Lamar.

977
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like watching those not really Mahomes. Mahomes

978
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: not so much anymore watching Lamar too.

979
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 3: Have you seen the splits on Mahomes Preen post Tyreek

980
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: Hill By the way, now we have more of a

981
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: sample size, but it's just the point p'sally pleasing people.

982
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 3: It is with Lamar, Yes, people act like it's it's

983
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: I don't want to say Josh Alla it's not different

984
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: because he is I don't think it's there are other

985
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: guys kind of doing similar stuff to what Alan's doing,

986
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: it might look a little different, like and it's not

987
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: a lot of them.

988
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: I think Drake Man is doing stuff that's I think.

989
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: Drake is I think Lamar to an extent, YEA, I

990
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: know I'm probably missing some Lamar is a different runner,

991
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 3: but yeah, I think the the other element.

992
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: With Josh Allen, it just from my standpoint, is that

993
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: he's probably the hardest quarterback to defend in the in

994
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: the league because he's just so otherworldly talented physically, Like

995
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: there's really not a weakness to his game from a

996
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: physical talent standpoint, because of how good he is with

997
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: his arm man with his legs.

998
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: I think Lamar is harder to defend.

999
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: I don't.

1000
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: I think Lamar LaMarsh Allen's probably harder to tackle.

1001
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: Lamar to me, and I love Lamar, you know, yeah,

1002
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: but Lamar is a between the numbers thrower. Like if

1003
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: you can get Lamar and we'll talk about this a

1004
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: lot more next week, but if you can.

1005
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: Get Lamar, and he's also this year, is not if

1006
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: you can.

1007
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: Funnel the ball outside the numbers and make him push

1008
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 2: the ball outside the numbers, Lamar is not the same.

1009
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: Whereas I think Alan is capable of hitting any spot

1010
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: on the field, and I think he's capable of running

1011
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 2: over any Yeah.

1012
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: The fact I think some of it is you go

1013
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: to go back to what we talked about about the

1014
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: issues running deeper with Alan. He's been through. How many

1015
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: offensive coordinators now like handful the way the Ravens use

1016
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 3: Lamar jack like, because they really encourage you to play heavy,

1017
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: and now you want to take these things away that

1018
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: aren't easy to take away when you're in a base defense.

1019
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 3: And I maybe maybe, yeah, we're doing the semantics thing again. No,

1020
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying is so unique. Lamar is

1021
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: harder to game plan for Alan. Maybe in the moment

1022
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: for the players on the field, is tougher to defend.

1023
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 3: But I think in terms of the x's and o's,

1024
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: in terms of the chess match, Lamar provides more of

1025
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: a challenge.

1026
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. In terms of the uniqueness

1027
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: of Baltimore's offense. You know, Baltimore's No one runs an

1028
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: offense like Baltimore because they can't.

1029
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: Rightmar is the only quarterback that can do it. So

1030
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 3: that might be more difficult.

1031
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: But I feel like without and I think we say

1032
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: the same thing about Drake May, we're getting to say

1033
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: that we're getting there. There's just nothing that's off the

1034
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: menu with Josh Allen, whereas I not that it's off

1035
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: the menu with Lamar. But like Lamar's ability again to

1036
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: throw the ball outside numbers, throw the deep ball outside

1037
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: the numbers on go routes this year. I looked this

1038
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: up the other day because I was doing some Ravens stuff.

1039
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: Lamar is six for twenty this year, throwing the go

1040
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: routes six for twenty, right, Like, that's just not and

1041
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: maybe that's more about the receivers than it is about him,

1042
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: but it's just not a very high percentage. So I

1043
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: think Alan kind of threatens more blades of grass, if

1044
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: you will, than Lamar Jackson does. But both of them

1045
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: are awesome. Ye, both of them are great. But I

1046
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: think with this Bills team, this is the weakest that

1047
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: I've seen the Bills in quite some time, probably since

1048
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: before Alan became MVP candidate, you know, twenty twenty ish

1049
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: around there. Defensively, this is a is the worst that

1050
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: I've seen them. No, Ed Oliver, He's not coming back

1051
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: for this game. Joey Bosas banged up, Terrelle Bernard is

1052
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: banged up. But I would also look at their secondary

1053
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 2: and outside of Benford, they've kind of struggled to move

1054
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: into this next era in the secondary where it's no

1055
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: more and I know he's back technically playing a role,

1056
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: but yeah, there's no more Poyer, there's no more hide,

1057
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: there's no more you know, he's again. These guys are

1058
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: all there because it's the big Trey White is kind

1059
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: of washed, right, Toron Johnson even there, they're really good.

1060
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: Nickel Corner, he's kind of having a little bit of

1061
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: a down year as far as he's you know, his

1062
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: play is considered. Maybe his play is starting to move

1063
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: in that opposite direction. And then the bigger thing is

1064
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: outside of James Cook and Khalil Shakir, their weapons just

1065
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 2: haven't been consisted. Yeah, there's no there's no downfield passing

1066
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: game really for them right now. You know, when you

1067
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: ever you see Josh Allen in like the middle of

1068
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: the table in terms of air yards pass attempt, you're like, wait,

1069
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: that Josh Allen is in the is like twentieth in

1070
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: air yards, Like that's crazy. Uh So, I don't think

1071
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: that this is uh the.

1072
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 3: Beast, right, And it goes back to my point on Alan,

1073
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: Like when they were cooking her Alan Allen Allen, and

1074
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 3: I said this at that I didn't. I said this

1075
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 3: well before he became a Patriot. Stefon Diggs as good

1076
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: as he was in Buffalo. Yes, I thought was one

1077
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: of the most underrated players in the league because he

1078
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: did not get nearly enough credit for what that offense

1079
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: was because everybody just wanted to solo give credit to

1080
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 3: Alan and some of the other guys by others like

1081
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: Gabe Dave was still there, right, and you see what

1082
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 3: they've become without that receiver. I don't know. I feel

1083
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: like I've been proven right a little bit on that

1084
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: that Stefon Diggs as good as he was in Buffalo,

1085
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: and I think people recognize him for being a very

1086
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: good player. He did not get nearly the credit he

1087
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: should have gotten for what that offense was at its peak.

1088
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 3: I mean, you're seeing what he's doing here, and you'd

1089
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: see what he's doing here, and he's helped the engine

1090
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: move here.

1091
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I like he's a good player. He's a

1092
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: good chain mover, he's really good with the ball in

1093
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: his hands. You know, he's basically like a running back

1094
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 2: with the football in his hands. Kincaid's given them problems.

1095
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: You know, had a big game in Week five. We'll

1096
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: see how healthy he is.

1097
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: We had a tight end thing again with that.

1098
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, for this, we'll get to that in a little bit.

1099
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: I think that's the But at the end of the day,

1100
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: like I said, this is the the easiest Bill's offense

1101
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: to defend that they've played in a while. How about that.

1102
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: You know, guys, we're talking about how are they to defend?

1103
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 2: This is about as easy as to going to get

1104
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: So don't don't blow this opportunity.

1105
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: We'll we'll see how Brandon Bean continues to mangle this

1106
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 3: roster next year, I think.

1107
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: And I want to move on, but I think you

1108
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 2: make a good point about their their brain trust.

1109
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: It's not just Sean McDermott like this. This roster is

1110
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: not as good. Well well, so here's why I put

1111
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 3: McDermott ahead of Bean in terms of the issues.

1112
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: Because to me, they're they're they're both came from Carolina.

1113
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: Started to cut you off, but they both came from Carolina.

1114
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: They're they're tight at the hip, like that's they are pairing.

1115
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: To me, it's it's both of them. And I don't

1116
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: think this roster is as good as it's been.

1117
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: But when the roster was better, McDermot still couldn't get

1118
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: over the top. That's like like Bean gave him the

1119
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: tools at one point. He doesn't have them now. Yeah,

1120
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: he doesn't have them now, but being gained the tools

1121
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: at one point. But like you look at us, they've

1122
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 3: tried to reset it. I mean, I don't know if

1123
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: you want to take a key on Coleman Victory lap

1124
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: I know he caught a touchdown last week, but yeah,

1125
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 3: it's they they might need a reset there.

1126
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, they their roster, just looking at you know, the receivers,

1127
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: and I know what they tried to they they've tried

1128
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: to argue and he's actually argued about this publicly. Bean

1129
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 2: has is is they tried there, They tried to claim

1130
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: they're doing the Brady thing or like Alan is so

1131
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 2: good that he doesn't need the superstar receivers because he's

1132
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 2: good enough to elevate the receivers that they have.

1133
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: And you better have some talent on defense.

1134
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, but their defense has dropped off, and that's that's

1135
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 2: on him. And they've made some weird draft picks, and

1136
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: in kyr Ilum Max Hairston.

1137
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 3: We like Kyrie Elum, we can't well, we.

1138
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: Liked him for the Patriots, but they drafted a man

1139
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: corner to play in his own system. And then they

1140
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: also drafted Max Harriston, who I wasn't really too gung

1141
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: ho about, not because he's been injured and like, that's

1142
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: not why. But I wasn't like a huge hole.

1143
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 3: There were I think off field flags there too.

1144
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to say that I know everything.

1145
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: It's the weirdest thing they've done is still the one

1146
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 3: they didn't the move they didn't make, which is essentially

1147
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 3: trading Xavier Worthy to the Chiefs. I will never understand

1148
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: why they did it.

1149
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: He hasn't been great either, He's.

1150
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: Been a lot better than Keon Coleman. He's been more functional.

1151
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 3: The fact that he's even if he hasn't been amazing,

1152
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: he's an ideal fit for what the Chiefs do. The

1153
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 3: Chiefs at the time were the Bill's biggest roadblock in

1154
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: the AFC. I get why maybe Buffalo wanted to trade

1155
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 3: that pick. I get why they maybe wanted to trade down.

1156
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: They didn't get nearly enough to trade down, and they

1157
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: gave a player who's ideal for the system to the

1158
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: biggest competitor they had in the AFC. That, to me,

1159
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: is still one of the most questionable draft moves I've

1160
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 3: seen in my time doing this. It like, honestly, it

1161
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 3: didn't burn them as bad as it should have. And

1162
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 3: it's burned in pretty bad, but it didn't burn them

1163
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 3: as bad as it should have. Fair Enough, all right,

1164
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: we got to hit the break here soon. But I

1165
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: let's take Patty's call in a couple of emails, and

1166
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: we'll take the break in a few minutes, and then

1167
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: we'll do our bye week exercise. Patty, what's up?

1168
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 5: Hey, what's going on? All right, guys, I'm gonna get

1169
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 5: a little deep here. Just hang with me, but I

1170
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 5: guarantee you it's gonna all make sense at the end. Now,

1171
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 5: when I first looked at the schedule this year, I

1172
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 5: saw three matchups that I did not like. The coaching

1173
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 5: matchup for the One was Pete Carroll and the Raiders,

1174
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 5: one was Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, and one was

1175
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 5: John Harbaugh and the Ravens. Now Alex, I don't know

1176
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 5: if you remember this but I called into the Sunday

1177
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 5: kickoff one morning, I think it was the Bills game,

1178
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 5: prior to the Bills game, after Drake had a pretty

1179
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 5: good game against Carolina, and I said, how long before

1180
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 5: us Patriots fans starts saying we're gonna win this game

1181
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 5: because we have Drake Man as quarterback. I'm that same token,

1182
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 5: I'm that same Noah, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna ask

1183
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 5: this question as Patriots stands, when are we going to

1184
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 5: start saying we're gonna win this game because we have

1185
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 5: Drake May as our quarterback and Mike Brabel is our coach. Evan,

1186
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 5: I love you, but I am one behind Alex. If

1187
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 5: Sean Payton was the coach of the Bills right now,

1188
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 5: they would have won the probably won the Super Bowl

1189
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 5: last year. It's thirteen games into Mike Brabel's Patriots career

1190
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 5: and he is already far and away the best coach

1191
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 5: in the division. It's not it's not close. I'm sorry.

1192
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely I'm not a McDermott guy.

1193
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: Don't get don't get my Allan if you know you're

1194
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: not guy, because you're such an Allen guy and you

1195
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 3: need a scapegoat.

1196
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 2: Sure, and that's convenient for my argument.

1197
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 5: All right, sure, but but Alan is awesome. He is

1198
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 5: He's one of the best quarterbacks of this generation. I Alex, sorry,

1199
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 5: I agree with Evan. I put him right there with Mahomes.

1200
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 5: I put him over I maybe not Burrow, I put

1201
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 5: him on the same level as Burrough, but a little

1202
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 5: bit above Lamar. He's not gonna get done by himself.

1203
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 5: You said it, Evan, this is not the same Buffalo

1204
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 5: Bills team that was that we even played last year.

1205
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that we struggled to.

1206
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 5: Beat in Week eighteen. There's no doubt in my mind

1207
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 5: after listening to your analysis how the Bills like to

1208
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 5: run basically the same five offensive plays, that Brabel's gonna

1209
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 5: have this team ready. He knows what's at steak, he

1210
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 5: knows what's on the line. And I've been I've been

1211
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 5: really close all year picking picking games, and I generally

1212
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 5: don't do this on catch twenty two, but I am

1213
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,959
Speaker 5: picking the Patriots to win thirty four to twenty one'd

1214
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 5: be great to be particularly close. I think the Bills

1215
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 5: might come out and show a little flash at the beginning,

1216
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 5: but honestly, I think they're just gonna stomp their asses

1217
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 5: into the dirt to end the game, and like I said,

1218
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 5: he knows what's on the line. I think this team

1219
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 5: is hungry. I think this team you said that was

1220
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 5: the more desperate team yesterday. It might be the Bills,

1221
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 5: but I think the Patriots are the more hungrier team.

1222
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 5: And you know what, they win it.

1223
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 6: I'm with you.

1224
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 5: I'm with you to Evan, I can't wait to get

1225
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 5: the hat and T shirt myself.

1226
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: What freaking baby, Thanks for the call. Twenty one would

1227
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: be great. That's gonna be a quick game to write about.

1228
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: I get to catch the end of Philip Rivers against

1229
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 3: the Seahawks, nice nicely. He mentioned Rabel having the team

1230
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 3: ready off the bye. I think I talked about the

1231
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: stat last week on the show, but I'll bring it

1232
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 3: up again. Mike Rabel career as a head coach coming

1233
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 3: off the by six and oh five wins by multi

1234
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: score margins. He gets his team's ready coming off the bye.

1235
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his coach is there. I might disagree with

1236
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: a few of them. I am not a McDermott guy.

1237
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 2: I'm an Allen guy, but I'm not.

1238
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 3: The same reason you don't like Tua because in your mind.

1239
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 3: That's why Mike McDaniel did no no, I just I

1240
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 3: McDermott to me is.

1241
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 2: Part of the problem. Like I've used the Mark Jackson

1242
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: comparison a million times with Sean McDermott. Yeah, like he

1243
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 2: he's the coach before the coach, and they've just been

1244
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: really running out of time. They've been really slow to

1245
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: move on from him, Like too slow.

1246
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 3: It's his ninth year, right.

1247
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: If you're a Patriots fan, and I'm not saying you

1248
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: should be worried, but I know this. We're gonna talk

1249
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 2: about this in a second. There's a lot of like

1250
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 2: who do you fear right now as a Patriots fan?

1251
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: But the biggest fear with Buffalo to me is that

1252
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: Buffalo hires the right coach, right, Like if they go

1253
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: out and they hire the right head coach for Josh Allen,

1254
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: like they're gonna win Super Bowl maybe, I.

1255
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: Mean, they're gonna have to fix the roster at this point.

1256
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: That's then when I said they should have moved on

1257
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: for mcdermotag.

1258
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: If they get the right guys in charge in Buffalo there,

1259
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: it's not.

1260
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: Just the coach. I mean it's his ninth year, right, Yeah,

1261
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 3: is it? Time to start talking about my favorite list again.

1262
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: Coaches ten plus years with the team without winning a

1263
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. Marv Levy, Marv Lewis, Ted Marchibroda, Jeff Fisher,

1264
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 3: Dan Reeves, Jason Garret, Andy Reid and Philly, Dennis Green,

1265
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: Jim Moore, Bud Grant. Well one year away from adding

1266
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 3: two names to that list, Evan Sean McDermott. And who's

1267
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 3: hired the same year as McDermott, Mike Tomlin. No, the

1268
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 3: guy that he's won a super like twenty years ago. Well,

1269
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: but he had. The point is like, it's not on

1270
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 3: the resume, yet he keeps him up. McDermott's not usually

1271
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: the reason I bring up this list. There's another guy

1272
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 3: that I usually bring up this list for that has

1273
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 3: oh Kyle Shanahan. Yeah, so they were hired in the

1274
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 3: same year. Yeah, at least Kyle Shanon has been to

1275
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 3: two Super Bowls, Marvel Leaving went to four, and mar

1276
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 3: Levy's in the Hall of Fame. That's true for now,

1277
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 3: that's the comp All right, we're gonna take a quick break.

1278
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: But two emails. Sorry, Alex, I keep throwing you off

1279
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 3: on that.

1280
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 2: My bad. Uh, these are two emails about one about

1281
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: me and one about you. Oh okay, because we did

1282
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: start off the show a little bit spicy, so we

1283
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: deserve some of this, he says. From Josh and Atlanta

1284
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: Big Keyboard Warrior, Josh and Atlanta says his subject line,

1285
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: Evan's hypocrisy. Evan doesn't have time for the nonsense, but

1286
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: keeps bringing up his social media mentions across both podcasts.

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00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: It's a good point. Talked about this yesterday.

1288
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like y'all are a bunch of whiny babies,

1289
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: like stop whining on social media and about sports like relaxed.

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00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 3: You can't whine. We can't have fun, we can't make

1291
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: jokes exactly.

1292
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: We don't know room, we don't care. He's on your side.

1293
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: Let me finish the email. We don't care. But when

1294
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: Alex talks about the QB situation of a potential playoff opponent,

1295
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: Evan is incredibly dismissive. Alex, don't let Evan steal your shine.

1296
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: His Drake mail love fueled ego gas ballooned to new levels.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Josh, think you I don't think liking Drake May

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00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: is anything to do with putting down Philip Rivers. It's

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Speaker 3: not like Rivers gonna come steal the m v B. Now,

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00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: is there a case for him to make comeback Player

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Speaker 3: of the Year. Maybe, but I yeah, it's it's it's

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Speaker 3: a very interesting story. It's an interesting I don't think

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Speaker 3: you talk about this.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say I don't want to talk about what

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Speaker 2: I told you is is that. I what I don't

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00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: find interesting about it is like it the meme culture

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00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 2: element of it, Like I don't care about.

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Speaker 3: This is so funny, such a thing. It is kind funny.

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Speaker 3: But also it's like a forty four year old guy

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Speaker 3: who's been retired for five years coming back to like

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Speaker 3: quarterback in the NFL is a wild story. It's an

1312
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Speaker 3: interesting thing to talk about. It's an interesting thing. They consider.

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Speaker 2: So this email is bashing you because we got one

1314
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: that bashed me. Now I got to go on that

1315
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: bashed you. And uh, Mike takes a stray in this

1316
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: one too. Yeah, so good Lord Alex Bart and Mike

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01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: Kadlick just love drama. I have so much respect for

1318
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: Evan and Taylor. Kyle so compliments flowers to Taylor because

1319
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: they have to put up with you guys.

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Speaker 3: Your guys is nonsense.

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01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: I love the way Evan and Taylor loves the love

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01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: the game and don't care about the bs. Keep up

1323
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: the great work, Evan and Way to be mature and

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Speaker 2: an adolescent like the other.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I love the drama me classically. I love

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Speaker 2: The irony of this whole thing is that I'm the

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01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: reality TV guy out of the two of us. But

1329
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: you do the reality TV with the sports. But I

1330
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: got I don't with like, do I really do it

1331
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Speaker 2: that much? I really don't think I do a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I mean a little bit, But no, I'm interested in

1333
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: the football side. This is the thing I talk about

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01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 3: the things that like Belichick at UNC, right, and remember,

1335
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Speaker 3: oh you want the drama of Bill No, I literally

1336
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 3: just wanted to see what he looked like coaching college

1337
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 3: football and that was it. I didn't care about what

1338
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Speaker 3: was happening off the field. Same thing with this, Like

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01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 3: I there's yeah, there's some funny jokes that are being

1340
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Speaker 3: made about it. I don't is there drama in this?

1341
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 3: In the Philip Rivers thing, No, a forty four year

1342
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 3: old retired five years was an All Pro caliber quarterback,

1343
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: wasn't terrible his last year in Indy wasn't what he was.

1344
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 3: It wasn't terrible. They went to the playoffs, Like, what

1345
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Speaker 3: does this look like? I don't know how you can't

1346
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: be fascinated by that?

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Speaker 2: Was originally some know in the forecast for Sunday, but

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01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 2: now it's kind of maybe not.

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Speaker 3: It's supposed to snow Saturday and it's supposed to snow Monday.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything we can do about that?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 3: Why is it skipping Sunday?

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Speaker 2: You want it to?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you do? You do love snow football. David andrews

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Speaker 3: with me on that, by the way, Yeah, because he played,

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Speaker 3: it's different.

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Speaker 2: It's different.

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Speaker 3: Oh so the players don't the players don't know better

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Speaker 3: than us.

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Speaker 2: No, oh my god, no, I understand why he would

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01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: have fun playing in the snow. I had fun playing

1402
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: in the snow. We all had fun playing in this

1403
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: watching it's just not I don't find it fun to

1404
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 2: analyze a game that was played at like the Bills

1405
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,479
Speaker 2: Bengals game. I kind of almost throw that entire game

1406
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: out because they like they're playing in a blizzard. It's

1407
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Speaker 2: not the conditions aren't the same.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the fans care. What's easier, harder for

1409
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Speaker 3: you to analyze. I think people want to be entertained.

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01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 3: Snow football is, yeah, very entertained.

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Speaker 2: I don't say the fans care, and I said I care.

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01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 3: I want for the fans opinion, which best for the

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01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 3: fans is what's best for us covering the sport, good

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01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 3: for the goose, good for the game exactly. So if

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01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 3: there's anything we can do, that old weather machine still

1416
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 3: lying around, if we can get one of those storms moved,

1417
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 3: but I think it's just flurries. But like we get

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01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 3: one of those moves by like twenty four hours, that'd

1419
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 3: be great.

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Speaker 2: Well, Okay, if it does snow, then the Jilted Stadium

1421
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 2: field crew will have Aaron's snowblowers to try to clear

1422
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 2: off the field during the game. So the snow is

1423
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 2: going to continue to fall, and when it does, we

1424
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 2: are ready to help you tackle it. Aaron's is proud

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Speaker 2: to be the official snowblower of the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting, I think in terms of the snow

1428
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Speaker 2: angle of it, I find this to be one of

1429
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: the things that people get wrong analyzing football the most,

1430
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Speaker 2: and I think maybe we're uniquely equipped to talk about

1431
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: it because we've experienced so many snow games. People think

1432
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: you can't throw the ball in the snow, which I

1433
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: think could be further from.

1434
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 3: The so kind of like if it's windy, right then

1435
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 3: it changes it. But no, sorry, can I know what

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Speaker 3: you're gonna say, You're.

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Speaker 2: Right, So I think, well, I just think a lot

1438
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: of people because I was listening to one of the

1439
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: pregame shows on Sunday before it Bill's Bangles, and they

1440
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 2: all want to take the air out of the ball.

1441
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 3: Like, oh, you got it's the snow. You got to

1442
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 3: be able to run the ball. You got to be

1443
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 3: able to do No, you are so much better.

1444
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: Off trying to get the ball in space right in

1445
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: snow because it's so hard to cut that when you

1446
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: know where you're going, versus trying to react to somebody

1447
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: cutting on defense, you have such a huge advantage.

1448
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: So the game on site not just that well. And

1449
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 3: this is depending on the snow in the surface, but

1450
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 3: you also hear players talk about blocking in the run

1451
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 3: game is very hard when you don't have your footing

1452
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 3: in the snow is incredibly so you know, if it's

1453
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 3: like flurries whatever, and it's different grass versus turf, but no,

1454
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 3: it is actually as long as it's not too windy,

1455
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 3: it is easier to throw the ball in the snow.

1456
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 3: Now if it's you know, one of these blizzards where

1457
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 3: you're getting forty to fifty mile an hour winds. Right,

1458
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 3: the snowball. Now it's now it's just hard to do

1459
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 3: everything but right, So lose the ability to run before

1460
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Speaker 3: you lose the ability to throw.

1461
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Speaker 2: I remember Brady also talking about in the snow, and

1462
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: this kind of goes to your point about footing in

1463
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 2: the trenches. He was like, I was never under any

1464
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 2: pressure because these pass rushers could not get off the

1465
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 2: ball and because they're footing, they were like pitter pattering,

1466
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 2: you know, and there was never any pressure on the quarterback.

1467
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 2: So if it's not windy, if it's not like a

1468
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 2: driving wind or something like that, then it absolutely is

1469
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: a throw the ball type of weather if you can again,

1470
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 2: you know, cut it through the wind right. And I

1471
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 2: think that we hear so many analysis is, you know,

1472
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: leading into snow games, like well they're gonna have to

1473
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: run it forty times because it's snowing. No, no, no,

1474
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 2: if it's if it's windy, you got to run it right.

1475
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Speaker 3: Well, because I think people get mixed up because in

1476
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 3: the rain you don't want to throw the ball because

1477
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 3: the grip and all that. But like this, the ball

1478
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 3: doesn't get as wet in the snow, if that makes sense.

1479
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 3: And again it depends on the kind of snow and

1480
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 3: the storm you're dealing with. But so the boy, how

1481
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 3: many yards did Brady throw four in that snowstorm against

1482
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: the Titans.

1483
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 2: Which like three hundred in the first half, And that

1484
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 2: was one where touchdown passes in the first It was

1485
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 2: snowing hard.

1486
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 3: That was not a windy day they threw.

1487
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: They threw a deep bombed flee flicker to Randy Moss

1488
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: in the middle of the of the snow.

1489
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 3: It's twenty nine nine, I think, So I want to

1490
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 3: find what the weather was that day.

1491
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 2: I think it was nine.

1492
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. I don't know why. I always forget

1493
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 3: if that's O nine or I.

1494
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: Think he threw six touchdown passes in the first half

1495
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 2: if I remember correct.

1496
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 3: Thirty nine degrees ten mile an hour wins. So it

1497
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 3: was breezy but not windy. Yeah, that's like in snow

1498
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 3: like that's a great day to throw the football. Brady

1499
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 3: threw for three hundred and eighty yards and then Brian

1500
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 3: Hoyer tacked on fifty two more.

1501
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was going for the record of

1502
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 2: touchdown passes in a game at one point, and I

1503
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 2: think they just decided it was more important to keep

1504
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,879
Speaker 2: them upright, and it was to go for records, individual records.

1505
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 2: So the little bye week exercise that we wanted to do,

1506
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: and then we'll take some more calls and emails. There's

1507
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 2: a lot of talk around town about, you know, blueprints

1508
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: and like who do you fear, and like which team

1509
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 2: worries you the most and all that kind of stuff.

1510
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 2: So in typical cashway two fashion, I thought it'd be

1511
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 2: cool if we actually like reverse engineer this. Yeah, so

1512
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about how we would defend the Patriots,

1513
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: and you attack the Patriots, and then I want to

1514
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: talk about which teams in the AFC could press those

1515
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 2: buttons the best, you know, which teams could actually execute

1516
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 2: the game plan. So let's start with the Patriots offense.

1517
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 2: And I know there's been there's been talking. I think

1518
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: Phil Perry was the first one that kind of had

1519
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: this take about Drake may potentially being blueprint proof. And

1520
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 2: I agree to the extent that, like he's at the

1521
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 2: point now where like you can only hope to slow

1522
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: him down, You're not going to completely stop him. I think,

1523
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 2: but that doesn't that there aren't ways that he's less

1524
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 2: efficient than others.

1525
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 3: I think that where that take might come from, I

1526
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 3: didn't hear Phil's whole thing, so I apologize from stepping

1527
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: on or whatever. But like every time this year the

1528
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 3: offense as a whole has struggled with something and we

1529
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 3: come in here next week, like, oh they struggle with that,

1530
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 3: they come out the next week and they dominate in

1531
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 3: that facet of the game, and that's credit to Drake,

1532
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 3: that's credit to the rest of the office, credit to

1533
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 3: the coaching staff. So it feels a little and there's

1534
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 3: more things that they'll be approached with right that they're

1535
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 3: going to need to take care of. So I don't

1536
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 3: want to say he's blueprint proof, but to this point,

1537
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 3: every time we think there's a blueprint, they come out

1538
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 3: the next week and they beat whatever that scheme is

1539
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 3: fair enough.

1540
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 2: So I think there's two ways that I look at

1541
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: them right now and say, if I was defending the

1542
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 2: Patriots offense, this is what I would do. Yep, I

1543
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: would say the first one is probably what I would

1544
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 2: lean on the most, uh, and that is just drop

1545
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 2: everybody in coverage. Yeah, seven eight guys in coverage drop eight,

1546
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: you know that type of thing. I think the best

1547
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 2: reps that I've seen against Drake May on third down

1548
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 2: specifically were by Cleveland and Tampa and they played drop

1549
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 2: eight coverage, So they dropped seven guys technically in coverage. Yeah,

1550
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: one was a spy on Drake May and then they

1551
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: rushed three. So I think that's probably the best way

1552
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 2: to do it, because I think the second that you

1553
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: blitz him, that's a no go. I think you have

1554
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,799
Speaker 2: to spy him because of his mobility, whether it's extending

1555
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 2: blazer scrambling. So I think the drop eight strategy is

1556
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: something that is such a tiny little sample size that

1557
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 2: it's too small of a sample size to have an

1558
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: exact measurement on. He's only phased ten dropbacks of drop

1559
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 2: eight all year, so it's like that's you can't really

1560
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 2: base it on any numbers.

1561
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 3: You really can't. The other things, you really can't play

1562
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 3: that way an entire game, you can't. It's really only

1563
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 3: like a third and long, third and medium type of thing.

1564
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,440
Speaker 3: But he has a negative EPA.

1565
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 2: Against drop eight, tiny tiny sample size, but he does

1566
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 2: have a negative EPA and strap A, so that would

1567
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: be the first thing that I would try if I

1568
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 2: was going up against Drake May. Three man rush, one

1569
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 2: man spy, seven guys in coverage, try to flood the

1570
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 2: field with defenders and go that route. You know, back

1571
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 2: in what week was the Browns game, week seven weeks whatever,

1572
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 2: we gave whatever it was the Carson Sweessinger pick in

1573
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: the first half. Sweeshinger on that play was actually the

1574
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 2: spy and he threw it to the spy. That was

1575
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 2: three man rush, spy, seven guys with man coverage, like

1576
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 2: and I think that's sort of been the best blueprint

1577
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 2: I've seen against Drake. The other thing that I would

1578
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 2: try a little bit, and we talked about this a

1579
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: little bit with the Bills, I would try to play

1580
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: some man coverage against this Patriots team. I think their

1581
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 2: receivers are good. I don't know if their receivers are great.

1582
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 2: I would try to man up on the Patriots receivers.

1583
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 2: Drake May's efficiency just a little bit worse against man

1584
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 2: than it is against zone. He's the best zone quarterback

1585
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 2: in the league right now, first and EPA against zone,

1586
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 2: So if you play him in man, you're spying him.

1587
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 2: That's what I would try to do. I wouldn't blitz Nope,

1588
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't play like conventional zone because he's gonna

1589
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: find the opening.

1590
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,879
Speaker 3: I'm playing, you know, three deep I'm taking. I'm basically

1591
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 3: copy and pasting most of the Josh Allen game plan. Yeah,

1592
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 3: play deep, take away the deep ball, force them to

1593
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 3: drive the ball eight ten to twelve plays to make

1594
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 3: them be perfect. Rush plans that encourage them to use

1595
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 3: the run game more than they probably want to, and

1596
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 3: make them nicklin dine their way down the field. Make

1597
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 3: them be perfect. That'd be my game plan. The one

1598
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 3: thing I would change from how we typically talk about

1599
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 3: Allen is I don't want Drake May. I want Drake

1600
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 3: May stepping up in the pocket. I don't want him

1601
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 3: getting out of the pocket, especially when he rolls to

1602
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 3: his right. You know some quarterbacks it's flush him out

1603
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 3: because it takes away the opposite side of the field.

1604
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 3: Drake's arm is too big for that. He can roll

1605
01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 3: out to his right in the whole field is still

1606
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 3: at his disposal. I want him and he can. Also,

1607
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 3: he's a better runner when he gets outside the pocket.

1608
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 3: You know, if he's going to step up in the

1609
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 3: pocket and then just kind of run and get five

1610
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 3: or six yards, I'll take that as a win and

1611
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 3: I'll make him do that all day. So I'm with

1612
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 3: you in a lot of it. I'm taking away the

1613
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 3: deep ball, I'm taking away the sidelines. Force him to

1614
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 3: be short accurate in the middle of the field and

1615
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 3: make him do that for eight, ten, twelve plays. And

1616
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 3: if he wants to run, he has to run stepping

1617
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 3: up through the pocket where there's going to be a

1618
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 3: spy waiting for him, rather than you know, allowing him

1619
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 3: to get to the outside and now he can outrun

1620
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 3: the spy or he can throw the ball because he

1621
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 3: has more room. Like I'm not, I would rather allow

1622
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 3: him to scramble up the middle than let him leave

1623
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:42,759
Speaker 3: the pocket and do whatever he's going to do outside

1624
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 3: the pocket.

1625
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 2: So I just think that, you know, when you look

1626
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 2: at some of the numbers, and then you will you

1627
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 2: look at the eye test.

1628
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, with Drake May, I don't understand.

1629
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 2: One of the things that I just am perpexed by,

1630
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 2: along with some of the blitzing that teams have done

1631
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 2: against him, the Patriots are still seeing a extremely high

1632
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: rate of single high state.

1633
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 3: I don't understand this, and it really does surprise me.

1634
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 2: And I think that the obvious the obvious thing I

1635
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: think is that they feel like their weapons on the

1636
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 2: outside aren't very good, and so they just don't have

1637
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:23,480
Speaker 2: a ton of fear for Kaishawn, Booty maccollins, Kyle Williams,

1638
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: those guys running the ball down, you know, beating them

1639
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 2: down the field, whatever you think of those three names

1640
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 2: that I just named. Though, when the quarterback is putting

1641
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 2: the ball on a on a penny, you know, right,

1642
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 2: and he's putting the ball right on their hands fifty

1643
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 2: yards down the field, these guys are still NFL receivers

1644
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 2: that they're going to catch more of those passes than

1645
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: they're not going to catch, right, So they might not

1646
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 2: create a ton of separation. They might not be you know,

1647
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 2: prime Randy Moss running down the sideline, but when Drake

1648
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 2: Mays is so accurate on the deep ball, they're still

1649
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 2: pros like they're still going to catch the ball when

1650
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 2: it hits them in the hands more times than not.

1651
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 2: So the Patriots right now are still seeing a league

1652
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: high rate. I think it's they're there one or two

1653
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 2: I can't remember off the top of my head, and

1654
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 2: how much single high safety they're seeing Drake may is

1655
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 2: second in the league and EPA against single high He's

1656
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 2: third in the league in passer rating if you want

1657
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 2: to use traditional passer rating. His traditional passer rating against

1658
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 2: single high safety coverage is one hundred and ten. And

1659
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 2: teams keep doing it. So again, like we're kind of

1660
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 2: both saying, like, at what point does a team say, Nah,

1661
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 2: we're putting the top on the defense. You're second in

1662
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 2: the league and it is supposed to pass rate. We're

1663
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: not allowing this him to just deep ball his way

1664
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 2: down the field. We're gonna make you march. You're gonna

1665
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 2: have to score in the red zone, which has been

1666
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 2: a problem for them. Like, that's what I would do.

1667
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 2: I would play Ben don't break against the Patriots. If

1668
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 2: you want to simplify it and make it as simple

1669
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 2: as you possible.

1670
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 3: I basically play the defensive Patriots have been playing this year.

1671
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben don't break on the other side of the ball.

1672
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 2: This is a very interesting sort of split between eye

1673
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 2: tests and numbers that we have going on here. The

1674
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 2: eye test would tell you that if you look at

1675
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 2: the Patriots defense on paper, you would want to attack

1676
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: their linebackers in safeties and coverage. You know, tight ends,

1677
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: running backs, middle of the field, and in the beginning

1678
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 2: of the season that was absolutely bearing out with the numbers.

1679
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 2: The numbers in the beginning of the year and all

1680
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: three of those categories were poor. They've really leveled off,

1681
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 2: they've kind of steadied the ship in this regard, and

1682
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 2: now the numbers are actually saying they're a very good

1683
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 2: pass defense for the most part against the middle of

1684
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 2: the field and against tight ends and backs. But it

1685
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 2: still feels like, if you want to beat the Patriots,

1686
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 2: throwing at Carlton Davis and Christian Zales and Marcus Jones

1687
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 2: is not as good of an idea as throwing against

1688
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 2: Robert Splain, Jack Gibbons, Christianelli's, Craig Woods and Jalen Hawkins.

1689
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 3: And that's some disrespect to those players. It's just obvious.

1690
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 2: Do you want to throw at the all pro corner

1691
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 2: or do you want to throw at the linebackers and

1692
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:03,799
Speaker 2: safeties in the middle of the field.

1693
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 3: So I think, because we've talked about this a little.

1694
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 2: Bit off the air, that you still fall in that

1695
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 2: category that if you were playing the Patriots, you would

1696
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 2: still try to work the middle of the field, work

1697
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 2: the tight ends.

1698
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 3: Do that so yeah, I think the big thing for

1699
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 3: me is I'd be pretty play action heavy. And so

1700
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 3: some of this is like, Okay, wegame planning for them

1701
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 3: with or without Milton Williams, because you know, if Milton

1702
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 3: Williams is in there, outside runs into play action and

1703
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 3: then target the tight end and then try to get

1704
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 3: some speed in the slot and use that to stretch

1705
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 3: the vertically. The Patriots have not been very good against

1706
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,799
Speaker 3: play action this year. They're twenty fifth in the league

1707
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 3: in yards per play allowed to play action. I know

1708
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 3: that's a dinosaur stat to you, but I think their

1709
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 3: EPA isn't great either. If I'm right in that regard,

1710
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 3: I'm not going to try to act like I understand it,

1711
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 3: but hit the play action. Now, if they don't have

1712
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 3: Milton Williams, it's a more you know, inside gap run game,

1713
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 3: but I'm still hitting the play action off that. And again,

1714
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 3: I want to hit the tight end and and I

1715
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 3: want to get some speed in the slot, keep the

1716
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 3: ball away from those outside corners, and then if they're

1717
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 3: going to play that off coverage that they've been playing,

1718
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 3: you know, bring those outside receivers underneath into the middle

1719
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 3: of the field and throw the ball there. Yeah, so

1720
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 3: I think we're kind of on the same page.

1721
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: Again for the most part, I wrote down just aggressive

1722
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: early down passing. I still think that if you look

1723
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 2: at the Patriots both eye test and numbers, Yeah, they're

1724
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: first and second down pass defense is where they're the

1725
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 2: most vulnerable. They're they're twenty fourth in the league right

1726
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 2: now and early down EPA per drop back. So like

1727
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 2: they don't stop a lot of teams on first and

1728
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: second down, they're great on third down. They and they

1729
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 2: that's what they do, right, They kind of stall a

1730
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: lot of teams, like right outside the red zone, right,

1731
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 2: there's a lot of those types of drives that they

1732
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 2: kind of get onto the other side of the fifty

1733
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: and they'll face a third down at like they're the

1734
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 2: Patriots like thirty five or forty years right.

1735
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 3: Around midfield and we're down. Oh. That also reminds me

1736
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 3: to go back to the offense real quick, something I do. Yeah,

1737
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,560
Speaker 3: or like a point of mind of I'm defending the

1738
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 3: Patriots offense, I wouldn't be like part of the reason

1739
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 3: I'm sitting back. Let him get in the red zone,

1740
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 3: let him get to a goal, because they've they've struggled there.

1741
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I look at the way that you know,

1742
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 2: I if I was, like, you know, just talking about

1743
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,719
Speaker 2: Buffalo specifically because of this week. If I was Buffalo,

1744
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,719
Speaker 2: I throw the ball forty five times. I throw it early,

1745
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 2: and I throw it often.

1746
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 3: See, that's where it gets weak because I don't I've

1747
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 3: talked to It's funny we've come full circle because I've

1748
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 3: talked about the Bills doing this against the Patriots. You

1749
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 3: can't try to reinvent yourself that aggressively in the NFL,

1750
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 3: because even if that's the ideal game plan, if you

1751
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 3: don't have the players to execute it, and I know

1752
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 3: people are, that's not right. But in who's he throwing to? Yeah,

1753
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 3: you said before, like that's been a big part of

1754
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 3: the reason I would be nervous if I'm the Bills

1755
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 3: throwing even with that quarterback. That's how bad I think

1756
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 3: their weapons are. And by the way their lines all

1757
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 3: banged up, it's not forget to state their line is

1758
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 3: in Yeah, I would not like in theory, that's the

1759
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 3: way to play the Patriots. I think you're right. Big picture,

1760
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 3: do the Bills, even with Josh Allen, do the Bills

1761
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 3: have the talent necessary to pull off that game plan,

1762
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 3: so I don't know that they do.

1763
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 2: We'll get to it in a second, because then I

1764
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 2: want to talk about teams that can hit these buttons.

1765
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: So twenty fourth in early down pass EPA, they're twenty

1766
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 2: ninth and explosive play rate allowed on first and second down,

1767
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 2: So I just I think a lot of teams and

1768
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 2: they also played a ton of zone on first and

1769
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 2: second down. There's seventy five percent zone on first and

1770
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 2: second down. So we've taken many of calls and emails

1771
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 2: about this, Alex, about people frustrated with all the soft

1772
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 2: zone coverage, you know, off coverage, soft zone. If you're

1773
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 2: willing to take those profits against the Patriots, those opportunities

1774
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 2: are there.

1775
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:38,879
Speaker 3: You don't want to get into.

1776
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 2: Third down against them. You don't want to allow them

1777
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: to play, you know, put their man coverage on the

1778
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 2: field like that. That's really what you don't want to

1779
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 2: get into with the Patriots defense. But I do think

1780
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 2: their early down pass defense can still be had and

1781
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 2: maybe some of that goes to the tight end and

1782
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 2: the play action and all that good stuff that you

1783
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 2: were talking about as well. So that is what we

1784
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,480
Speaker 2: would do. That's the self scout right of the pots.

1785
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 2: Now the question is is which teams could execute that

1786
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 2: the best in the AFC playoff picture. And I think

1787
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 2: we're going to disagree on our order here pretty significantly,

1788
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to this. I will put this

1789
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 2: one caveat on my order. If Daniel Jones was healthy

1790
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 2: for the Indianapolis Colts, I'd probably have them a lot

1791
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 2: higher on the list.

1792
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,759
Speaker 3: So again, you're you're sleeping on, Philip Rivers.

1793
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 2: If Daniel Jones was healthy for the Colts. A team

1794
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 2: that could take away explosive plays on offense, you know,

1795
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 2: for the Patriots offense to them on defense, A team

1796
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: that could attack early down, you know, pass defense that

1797
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 2: could throw to the tight end that you know, had

1798
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 2: a lot of play action on first and second down

1799
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 2: like that. You're kind of that's the Colts like that.

1800
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: That's that's what they are. They don't have Daniel Jones,

1801
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 2: so they don't have their quarterback. They're going with forty

1802
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 2: four year old grandpa over there. Your favorite story good

1803
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 2: of all time, Philip Rivers, Where which team fears you

1804
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 2: the most? Which team do you worry about the most

1805
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 2: that can hit those buttons.

1806
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 3: In terms of attacking the Patriots defense in terms of

1807
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,799
Speaker 3: attacking the Patriots like what they're I mean, I definitely

1808
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 3: think there's teams that can pull off that defensive I

1809
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 3: think there's more team the defensive game plan we laid out,

1810
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 3: and granted it's a lot less complex, yeah, but I

1811
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: think there's more teams that can execute that defensive game

1812
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 3: plan that can execute the offensive, you know, in terms

1813
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 3: of the teams that can can hit some of that

1814
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 3: play action stuff, that have the tight ends, that have

1815
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 3: the slot receiver talent, like one of them. One of

1816
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 3: the teams I go to is the Chargers. They play

1817
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 3: that way, they like to play that way, but I all,

1818
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 3: they're so banged up and let them come here in

1819
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 3: the winter and deal with the cold and like so that.

1820
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 2: You know, I thought about the Charges because I have

1821
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for Herbert.

1822
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 3: But they're just not that good. I just don't see

1823
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 3: it like they kind of can do the it's it's

1824
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 3: Jimmy's and Joe's not Exits and O's. I think they

1825
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 3: have the talent that dictates that game plan, but I

1826
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 3: don't think they're going to run it at that high

1827
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 3: of a level that it's going to be an issue

1828
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 3: you know again, the Steelers kind of want to play

1829
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 3: that way.

1830
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:04,719
Speaker 2: Yep.

1831
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 3: But Aaron Rodgers is I know, we played really well

1832
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 3: last week. I this is the problem that I was having, Like,

1833
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 3: the teams with the talent on offense don't play the

1834
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 3: way that you need to play to beat the Patriots defense.

1835
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 3: The teams that stylistically play that way don't have the talent.

1836
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 3: The Steelers are maybe in the middle. Look credit to Rogers.

1837
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 3: Last week was the best I've seen him, look since

1838
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 3: probably Green Bay.

1839
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 2: He was all right.

1840
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 3: I thought he's pretty good in that game, But like,

1841
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 3: can he still do that every week? Or was that

1842
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 3: just one last game from Rogers?

1843
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: Is just so slow And if I'm facing the Patriots,

1844
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 2: like speed and explosiveness is what I'd want, And it just.

1845
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 3: So I just I And I know they beat the

1846
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 3: Patriots already this year, but they scored twenty one points

1847
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 3: in a game where the Patriots turned the ball over

1848
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 3: five times. Right, So yeah, maybe the Ravens, but are

1849
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 3: they gonna make it? Yeah, this is exactly what seould

1850
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 3: happened when I was trying to make my list. Yeah,

1851
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 3: the Colts don't have their quarterback, right, the Chargers don't

1852
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 3: have their tackles right, which I think is huge. And

1853
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 3: it's also just we know what happens when the Chargers

1854
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 3: come here in January, and know what that looks like

1855
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 3: and Herbert has one hand yep, the Steelers are a corpse.

1856
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that was mean, but it's the truth.

1857
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 3: I think they played well last week. I don't think

1858
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 3: it's sustainable, but I do think they played well last

1859
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 3: They played better, but I think they played pretty. That

1860
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 3: was as good as I seen them look all.

1861
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 2: Year that the tape for Rogers was fine. It wasn't

1862
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 2: anything great. He made one really good play to DK Metcalf,

1863
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:30,679
Speaker 2: extended to the play and the hit Metcalf coming across

1864
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 2: the field. He hit him on a bomb, their first

1865
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 2: bomb in like two months. And well, that's what I'm saying.

1866
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 2: I don't think it's sustainable, but credit where credits?

1867
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 3: Do I think that?

1868
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 2: You know how I feel about Tomlin. I'm just not

1869
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 2: so Steelers in theory could do it. I just think

1870
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 2: the Steelers are kind of bad. Frankly, the Coles don't

1871
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 2: have their quarterback. The Chargers are all sorts of banged

1872
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 2: up all across their roster. I agree with you that Baltimore.

1873
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 2: I faced snuck in, would be would be frisky in

1874
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 2: this regard, I still have the Bills Number one. I

1875
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 2: still have the Bills. I think the Bills for two reasons.

1876
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 2: You know, we talked a lot about slot receivers tight ends.

1877
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 2: They might not have great outside receiver talent, but shak

1878
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 2: here's their best guy.

1879
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,759
Speaker 3: Right, But you don't win against the Patriots with outside

1880
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 3: receiver talent unless you're the Falcons and Drake London just

1881
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 3: goes nutty.

1882
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 2: That shak here's your best guy. Yeah, Kincaid and Knox

1883
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 2: can play. They can do the early down, throw it,

1884
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,799
Speaker 2: play action, put the game in Josh Allen's hands just fine,

1885
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 2: and they can play two deep safeties over the top

1886
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 2: of it of an offense. Let's see what it looks

1887
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 2: like on Sunday. Yeah, but in theory, I still look

1888
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 2: at Buffalo as the most complete team other than the

1889
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 2: Patriots right now.

1890
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 3: So there's also that element of having to play a

1891
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 3: team three times. Yeah, that scares me, Like that's especially

1892
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 3: if the Patriots win this week. Like, beating a team

1893
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 3: three times is not easy to do. If we're going

1894
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,640
Speaker 3: to talk about most well rounded, it's probably Buffalo. But

1895
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 3: if Houston's defense alone, so Houston was number two, might

1896
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 3: be more worrying to me than the entire package. And

1897
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 3: then there's Denver, like Denver's on that level if they

1898
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 3: have to go to Denver. If Denver's coming here, I'm

1899
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 3: not as worried. So Houston's don't have to do that

1900
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,600
Speaker 3: whole thing. No, Houston's number two on my list. So

1901
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 3: I had Buffalo and I had Houston. And by the way,

1902
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 3: these are the six and seven seeds. Now this is

1903
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 3: probably they'd play if they ended up with the two seeds.

1904
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 2: So the reason why I had Houston slightly lower than

1905
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 2: Buffalo's obvious their offense and their quarterback.

1906
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 3: But I do think that Stroud's good.

1907
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if I think he's as good as

1908
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 2: Paul Parillo, but I think he's good. But you know,

1909
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 2: I think he's he's good enough. Their offense has had

1910
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 2: a lot of struggles this year. They've had some really

1911
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 2: ugly stretches. Offensively, Nick Cayley is the first time play

1912
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 2: collar just kind of trying to figure it out, and

1913
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 2: it's not always been pretty. But they have Stroud Wood

1914
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 2: he Mark is giving them a little something in their

1915
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 2: run game. Nico Collins is a beast, the Schultz is

1916
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 2: a solid, decent enough kind of hunter, Henry tight end

1917
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 2: for them, and then of course that defense is just phenomenal.

1918
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,799
Speaker 3: So is there a better individual unit in the AFC

1919
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 3: than the Houston Texans defense. I think I'd take them

1920
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 3: over with the Broncos at this point.

1921
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 2: They're very good. They're very good, and they play a

1922
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 2: lot of like man or match coverage in the back

1923
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: end where it's not technically man, it's more like quarters,

1924
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 2: but it becomes man. And they're very, very good.

1925
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 3: They're a better unit than the Texans defense. I don't

1926
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 3: think there's any.

1927
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 2: The Bills in the Patriots offenses are really good.

1928
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think either one's better in a

1929
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 3: Texans maybe not, maybe not. The Texans defense is great.

1930
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 2: I just don't know if I if I fully am

1931
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 2: there with the Texans offense where well.

1932
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 3: That's why I say it is they're a better unit, right,

1933
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 3: so they out of it.

1934
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 2: They beat the Bills twenty three to nineteen. Yeah, a

1935
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 2: really bad game for Buffalo offensively, eight sacks, turnovers, the

1936
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 2: whole thing. If the Patriots find themselves in a twenty

1937
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 2: three to nineteen game. I kind of like, I'm cool

1938
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: with playing.

1939
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 3: They've won that game all year, like I you know,

1940
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 3: like against lesser teams. But yeah, but they've won that.

1941
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 3: They've won like a pseudo rite fight all year. They

1942
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 3: can beat that. They can beat the Texans. Yeah, it's

1943
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 3: not gonna be easy. There's easier opponents there, but they

1944
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 3: can beat the Texans. So Buffalo one, Houston two, and

1945
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 3: then regugging ly, the Denver Broncos number three. I mean,

1946
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 3: I think there's a clear gap between those three. I mean, look,

1947
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 3: Baltimore is still kind of lurking. The Chiefs are still

1948
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 3: kind of lurking. Lamar doesn't look right. The Chiefs don't

1949
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 3: look right to me. It's Buffalo number one, A, Houston

1950
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 3: and at Denver would be one B. Yeah, and then

1951
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 3: you get like i'd probably say Denver here. Then Baltimore

1952
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 3: would be the next tier, and then it's everybody else, like,

1953
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 3: bring me the Jags, bring me the Chargers, bring me Pittsburgh.

1954
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 2: There's no doubt that Denver's defense could execute the plan

1955
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 2: that we said, No doubt, no they they whatsoever.

1956
01:29:58,320 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'd be great.

1957
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 2: But if we're right, and the way to beat the

1958
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 2: Patriots is to attack their pass defense, especially on person

1959
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 2: second down.

1960
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 3: That is a lot of bonis all take CJ. Stroud

1961
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 3: and Nico Collins over Bonick and Courtland sut so, just to.

1962
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 2: Buy the numbers in terms of early down pass efficiency,

1963
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 2: Buffalo's third in the league, Houston's twelfth, so good but

1964
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 2: not great, fine, Denver's twentieth, so like, just looking at it.

1965
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 2: This is why I've kept saying, and this is why

1966
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,759
Speaker 2: I've been consistent on this. What worries me the most.

1967
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 2: And I know this is kind of like, well, duh,

1968
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 2: it's the quarterbacks. It's the quarterbacks. Like all these I

1969
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 2: don't want to face in the playoffs. If I had

1970
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 2: to say who I am afraid of? I don't want

1971
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 2: to face the great quarterbacks, Like if you give me

1972
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 2: a game against Bonnicks, or you give me a game

1973
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 2: against Trevor Lawrence, or you give me a game against

1974
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 2: Grandpa over there in Indianapolis.

1975
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 3: So let's do let's say, let's let's do the exercise

1976
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 3: real quick. There's eight teams for five hundred in the

1977
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 3: AFC right now, Yes, rank the quarterbacks. I'm to do

1978
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 3: first or worst or worst? First? Are we counting the

1979
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,480
Speaker 3: Patriots including the Patriots ranked the quarterbacks.

1980
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 2: People aren't gonna like this.

1981
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 3: You're gonna put Josh Allen first, aren't you?

1982
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 2: Josh Allen?

1983
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 3: I guess he's been there before. There, you know what

1984
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I'm so well fraudulently, but I'm so big

1985
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 3: on postseason experience, mattering. I I have to be consistent.

1986
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 3: There is definitely a very good chance that Drake May.

1987
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 2: I will change my mind if Drake May wins on

1988
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 2: Sunday and wins in the playoffs. Okay, he just hasn't

1989
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 2: done it yet. No, that's it's it'sknown playing worse than

1990
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. He just has not done it.

1991
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 3: I go to that Argumental Steve, you can break these

1992
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 3: into tears too if you want, so, Allan Yep May. Yeah.

1993
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 3: Herbert Herbert, same tier. That's tough, all right, we won't

1994
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 3: do tears. Herbert Herbert. Yeah, he's so compromised. But Lamar,

1995
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 3: we're only doing teams over five hundred for the rat

1996
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 3: so they're not counting. Yeah, okay, well we'll do But okay,

1997
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 3: put Lamar in there with like an asterisk. Yeah. Lamar

1998
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 3: and mahomes not a part of this. So Alan May,

1999
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 3: Herbert yeah, I probably go Stroud Stroud, Okay, next I'm

2000
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 3: with you.

2001
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 2: Then it gets tough because all these other guys kind

2002
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 2: of me.

2003
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're gonna way experience, the next guy

2004
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 3: Rogers has to be Rogers.

2005
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just not been good. He's just he's throwing

2006
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 2: a lead balloon out there.

2007
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 3: Well, so you're down to Rogers, Knicks and Lawrence and

2008
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,680
Speaker 3: Rivers slash Rod.

2009
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 2: I would say, oh man, you.

2010
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 3: Want to put Lawrence ahead of Rod? Like, you're not

2011
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 3: gonna put Nicks ahead of Rogers. I know you.

2012
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 2: This is tough.

2013
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 3: This is this is not we're not picking from any

2014
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 3: any grace. While we're doing the exercise, I thought this

2015
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:57,679
Speaker 3: might be fun.

2016
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 2: I would say this year, out of that group, bo

2017
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 2: Nix has probably been the best, better than Rogers. Yes,

2018
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 2: just to be objective, nothing but objective. I'm fair, all right,

2019
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 2: I would say bo Knicks this season has been better. Well, yeah,

2020
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 2: we're talking about this is an all time ranking. We're

2021
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 2: talking about this year going into the playoffs, Rogers, Lawrence,

2022
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 2: Rogers ahead of Lawrence, and then Colts. So you have

2023
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 2: Alan May, Herbert Stroud, Ye drop off.

2024
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 3: I think we can say there's a drop off there,

2025
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 3: and you have Lamar in that top tier if he

2026
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 3: makes it most too, Nicks, Rogers, Lawrence, and then the Colts,

2027
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 3: I might move Lawrence up. I think he's trending in

2028
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:35,559
Speaker 3: the right direction right now.

2029
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 2: They've taken less off of his plate, not to do

2030
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 2: that whole thing, but they're running the ball a lot

2031
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 2: better and a lot more, and it's kind of leveled

2032
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 2: the plane a little bit for him. Whenever he puts

2033
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 2: Whenever you have to put the ball in Trevor Lawrence's

2034
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 2: hands at a high volume, he becomes a turnover mission.

2035
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 3: I think that's just a ton like. I think him

2036
01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:58,839
Speaker 3: and Knicks in some ways are similar in that regard.

2037
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 3: I think there's I relistically obviously maybe like is starting

2038
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 3: to figure it out, yeah, and just starting to catch

2039
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 3: my eye a little bit. But I just have I

2040
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 3: do have.

2041
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 2: Some faith in Peyton in terms of like managing yeping

2042
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 2: Nicks on.

2043
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 3: The Rogers to me's the wild card, do you get

2044
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 3: it's my last run, I'm gonna throw it back whatever.

2045
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 3: Although he's never been good in the playoffs to begin with,

2046
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:25,719
Speaker 3: he looks he just looks like a classic. He plays

2047
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 3: the exact same way he always has yeah, but his skills.

2048
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 2: Are like at like sixty five percent. If we get capacity.

2049
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 3: Rogers Rivers in the playoffs the Grandpa Bowl, I I

2050
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 3: would go crazy, feel pretty confident. I know they lost

2051
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 3: to them earlier on in the season. I'd feel pretty

2052
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 3: confident that Patriots would blow out the Steelers if they

2053
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 3: played the Steelers. I think it'd be comfortable. You don't

2054
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 3: see how many blowouts in the playoffs I think would

2055
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 3: be comfortable.

2056
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about like a forty point blow I'm

2057
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 2: talking about this was game was never really in doubt.

2058
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots would handle so. Evan's Evan. His

2059
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 3: current rankings of quarterbacks over five hundred in the AFC,

2060
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 3: so very specific. Lamar and Mahomes are not a part

2061
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 3: of this or to I guess I should say, because

2062
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 3: they're technically in the mind. I got to be honest

2063
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 3: with Roh and this is gonna be hot.

2064
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 2: Takey. I don't know where I would put Mahomes right

2065
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 2: now on this list. I don't like, he's definitely not

2066
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 2: over mayor Allen, Like would you put him over Herbert?

2067
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 2: I mean maybe maybe just because Herbert's got like one hand,

2068
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 2: do you put him over Stroud.

2069
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, third or fourth, But.

2070
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 2: Like that's for a guy that's won three Super Bowl

2071
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 2: You're right, But like I I'm not. I don't totally

2072
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 2: blame Mahomes for what's happening in Kansas City because the

2073
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 2: ross around him is eroded. It's very uh oh nine

2074
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 2: to nineteen Brady, right, like whichever one of those you

2075
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 2: want to pick. Yeah, it's obviously in the point of

2076
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 2: his career. It's more like O nine. But it reminds

2077
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 2: me more of the end of the run for the Patriots,

2078
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 2: where you know, Kelsey and Gronk are starting to you know,

2079
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 2: both kind of run out of steam. You know, you

2080
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 2: have to transition away from like the Cooks era, right

2081
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 2: or like eras one year the Cooks you know, I

2082
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 2: was thinking Tyreek Kill era, you know, Tyreek Kill era,

2083
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 2: where like the Patriots had like Brandon Cooks for a year,

2084
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 2: they had some you know, outside receiver talent here and there.

2085
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 2: Uh you know, Moss obviously going back a little bit further,

2086
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 2: But I don't think that Mahomes is like absolved of

2087
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 2: what's going on. He doesn't really like he's just hasn't

2088
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 2: been as good. Like I don't have to get too

2089
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 2: technical about it. He just hasn't been as good.

2090
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 3: So you know what, maybe we uh maybe we make

2091
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 3: this a weekly thing between now in the playoffs and

2092
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 3: years see what happens. Well, just ranking the the QB playoffs. Yeah,

2093
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,719
Speaker 3: and uh more to you know, the the Dolphins, Chiefs

2094
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 3: and Ravens could all be five hundred next week. So well,

2095
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:48,799
Speaker 3: I'd be interested to see what the quarterbacks become relevant

2096
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 3: if people want to, you know, at tweet at us.

2097
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 3: But Evan's rankings again, Evans quarterback rankings among teams that

2098
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 3: are over five or five hundred or over in the AFC.

2099
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, Drake, May, Justin, Herbert C. J. Stroud, Bo Nicks,

2100
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, Trevor Lawrence, and the Colts are last whatever

2101
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 3: that thing is, Riley Leonard, Philip Rivers.

2102
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 2: The You know, I did want to touch a little

2103
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 2: bit on some of these other games, but I know

2104
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 2: people have been waiting on hold as well.

2105
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:15,839
Speaker 3: The Chargers.

2106
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 2: I watched a lot of that Chargers the game, basically

2107
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 2: watch the whole game, the Chargers Eagles game, yep, I

2108
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 2: just every time, and I know I know they're decimated,

2109
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 2: I know they're they're missing Joel and Rashaan Slater, which is,

2110
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 2: you know huge, Herbert's got one hand and you know

2111
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 2: has a broken hand, and then he's like all his

2112
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 2: throwing arms like all blood eat or in the game

2113
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 2: like he's just fallen apart because he's under pressure on

2114
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 2: like sixty five percent of his dropbacks because they have

2115
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 2: no offensive line. So I don't know if that is

2116
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 2: going to withstand the test of time because of how

2117
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 2: much he's getting just beaten and battered behind that offensive line.

2118
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 2: Like do they have four more regular season games and

2119
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 2: a postseason running them if you're the Chargers.

2120
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 3: But what I'm getting at just big picture, they still

2121
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 3: play Houston. What I'm getting at big picture with the Chargers,

2122
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 3: I think Jim Harbaugh has.

2123
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 2: Done exactly what you would expect and experienced coach to do,

2124
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 2: which is like they are a relevant, competent football team.

2125
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 2: But has Jim Harbaugh made them like a wagon? Like No,

2126
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 2: they're not like a real Super Bowl contend No. And

2127
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that and again I

2128
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 2: maybe it was this might be more on your side

2129
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 2: the street. Maybe it was. It was that type of

2130
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 2: game to kick all the field goals right, like there

2131
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:36,640
Speaker 2: was a defensive struggle. He took the points, YadA, YadA, YadA.

2132
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 2: But I'm just talking in general. I just don't think

2133
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 2: that they're a very aggressive football team. And I just

2134
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 2: don't think that you win in the playoffs, especially when

2135
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,759
Speaker 2: you're undermanned if you aren't. And I'm not just talking

2136
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 2: about fork down, I'm talking just in general, right like,

2137
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,680
Speaker 2: just if you don't or if you're not kind of

2138
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 2: a pedal to the metal team. He's a very conservative like, let's,

2139
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 2: you know, just try to back our way into victories.

2140
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 2: And maybe that's just where they're at with the Chargers,

2141
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 2: like in terms of their roster and all that, you know,

2142
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 2: their injuries and all that kind of stuff. But you know,

2143
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 2: that's what I see. You know, I just don't see

2144
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 2: a great team right now. What do you think of

2145
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 2: the Jaguars, You're like, are you a believer in the

2146
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 2: jack I'm.

2147
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 3: Kind of with you, Like they're they're a solid football team.

2148
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 3: I don't know that there are anything more than that.

2149
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 3: They're not bad, but I don't look at them as

2150
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:26,600
Speaker 3: like you said, they're not a juggernaut. They're not a

2151
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 3: team that's going to come in and blow doors. Like

2152
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 3: they're fine They've had some very good turnover.

2153
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 2: Look like they're turned like they have these games like

2154
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 2: this game against the Colts without Daniel Jones, they turn

2155
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 2: it all over three times, you know, Indianapolis did, and

2156
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:42,560
Speaker 2: that really is what extended the lead. They've run the

2157
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 2: ball a little bit, yeah, and that that's definitely helping

2158
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 2: them balance out their offense. It's a it's an impressive turnaround.

2159
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 2: You know, Liam Coenes had a really good first season.

2160
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 2: If they if Ben Johnson and Mike Rable didn't have

2161
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 2: his two teams, their two teams winning the division, you know,

2162
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 2: like it would be I don't think the Bears are

2163
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:01,679
Speaker 2: winning their divisi anymore now that they lost the Packers.

2164
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't know where that's at, but they you know,

2165
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 2: Liam Cole would be getting more shine if those two

2166
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 2: guys weren't where they were at. A couple of other

2167
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 2: things on this slate, Hey, good for the Denver broncos Man.

2168
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 2: You finally actually blew out a bad team.

2169
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 3: Good for you. I mean you still only won by

2170
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 3: one score. Yeah, it was the one score game, but

2171
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 3: it was a backdoor. Those one score game was a

2172
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 3: back door cover.

2173
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 2: One of the smelliest as Joe Murray likes to say,

2174
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 2: back door covers I've ever seen, but it was you

2175
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 2: dominated that game against the Raiders, So good for you.

2176
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:33,639
Speaker 3: Good, good for you, Denver.

2177
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 2: You finally dominated a bad team. Where are you at

2178
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:39,719
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs?

2179
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 3: The Chiefs are dead, I mean this year they are

2180
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:45,919
Speaker 3: you know, they they sell mahomes and he's not retiring

2181
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 3: after this year, I don't think. But they're They need

2182
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 3: a full reset. They need a full reset around them.

2183
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 3: And you know, this is why we said when everybody

2184
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 3: want to compare him to Brady, like, all right, you

2185
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,280
Speaker 3: had a nice little, what five seven year run, which

2186
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 3: is impressive in the NFL. You're not really supposed to

2187
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 3: dominate for more than three or four at a time.

2188
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 3: They did more than that.

2189
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 2: It's not twenty they had a dynasty. It was just

2190
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 2: they only had one half of the dynasty.

2191
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:11,679
Speaker 3: Well, they had one dynasty, not two.

2192
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 2: Right, the Patriots have had two dynasties connected as one.

2193
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:18,080
Speaker 3: Brady never missed playoffs on his prime and he never

2194
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 3: finished I think his last year in Tampa they were

2195
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 3: eight and nine. So one year at the very end

2196
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 3: in his forties he finished under five hundred. The other

2197
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 3: thing that's going to happen that. I'm surprised more people

2198
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 3: aren't having this conversation. Maybe people more intimate with the

2199
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 3: Chiefs understand why like that, it's not time to have

2200
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 3: this conversation. If you want to compare the two and say, Okay,

2201
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 3: the Chiefs are gonna well, you can't punish the Chiefs

2202
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 3: too much because the Patriots had a couple down years

2203
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 3: in the middle or down years never looked like this,

2204
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 3: but relatively down years in the middle where they reset.

2205
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:48,600
Speaker 3: The one thing the Patriots never had to do was

2206
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:52,599
Speaker 3: reset the coach. And how much longer is Andy Reid

2207
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 3: going to do this?

2208
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:55,400
Speaker 2: I keep bringing this up, and I think I said

2209
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 2: he was close to seventy. He's sixty seven. I said

2210
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,639
Speaker 2: that yesterday. Now I would still call sixties seven turning

2211
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 2: sixty eight.

2212
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 3: Close to seventy's old.

2213
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 2: But he's sixty seven, close to sixty eight, and he's it.

2214
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 2: Just when you watch the Chiefs, I know a lot

2215
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 2: of it's situationally, like they used to be so good

2216
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 2: at those big moments and they're not making those plays

2217
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:20,599
Speaker 2: this year. But schematically offensively, they've gotten a little bit stale.

2218
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 2: And some of that, to me, is that not only

2219
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 2: is it Andy Reid this whole time, but they also

2220
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 2: just brought Matt and aggy back a couple of years

2221
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:31,599
Speaker 2: ago and hit him the offensive coordinator. So I think

2222
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 2: that that offense needs some livening up. And when he

2223
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 2: came from Philly to Kansas City, he hired Brad Childress.

2224
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:45,720
Speaker 2: Remember Brad Childress. He hired Brad Childrens as like, I

2225
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:49,639
Speaker 2: want to say that Brad Childress was like an air

2226
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:53,719
Speaker 2: raid coordinator for Kansas City. Like basically what bad Brad

2227
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 2: Childress did is he took Andy Reid's West Coast offense

2228
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 2: and he merged it with the air raid.

2229
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 3: His title was spread Game Analysts.

2230
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 2: Spread Game Analyst, I do it was something like that.

2231
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:05,599
Speaker 3: That was actually before Mahomes even got there.

2232
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was the Alex Smith into Mahomes. So they

2233
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 2: took the old school, traditional West Coast offense that Andy

2234
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 2: Reid has always run and they merged it with like

2235
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 2: the new concepts in college, you know, spread RBO air

2236
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 2: raid concepts that are in college. And that led to

2237
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 2: some really good years with Alex Smith and then it

2238
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 2: led to some great years with Patrick Mahomes. So what's

2239
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 2: if Andy Reid is going to keep doing this? Does

2240
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 2: he one have like the give a shit meter to

2241
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 2: actually go out and do this? But two, what is

2242
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 2: like the next iteration for Kansas?

2243
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:44,560
Speaker 3: Also, just like whether it's this year or not, this

2244
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 3: is another one of He's people are gonna stay doing

2245
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 3: the drama again. But I mean this from a pure

2246
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:52,640
Speaker 3: football standpoint. I'm not trying to play succession here. Who, Like,

2247
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 3: do you who do they hire to replace him? Is

2248
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 3: it Steve Spagnolo?

2249
01:43:57,720 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 7: No?

2250
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,120
Speaker 3: Are they going to get an offensive mine? But like,

2251
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 3: you've had this success, do you want to bring in

2252
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 3: somebody who's been there and knows how it works? Can

2253
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 3: you hire from the outside? Usually a quarterback like Patrick Malmes?

2254
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 3: I guess Peyton Manny went through a couple of head coaches,

2255
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, those jobs aren't usually open. When you

2256
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 3: have a quarterback like that, it.

2257
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:15,680
Speaker 2: Would be the number one job in the league.

2258
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 3: That will but you look at the rate it probably

2259
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 3: won't be. But you look at the rest of the roster,

2260
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 3: there's gonna be work to do, so I don't think

2261
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 3: there's as much work to do Defensively, I think they

2262
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:25,679
Speaker 3: still some of those guys getting old.

2263
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 2: Well, Chris Jones getting old, But I still think that

2264
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 2: you have players in the secondary. Try McDuffie is still

2265
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 2: in his prime. Like, I still think you can build

2266
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 2: with that defense. Offensively, I agree, their offensive line has

2267
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:41,360
Speaker 2: been in shambles for the last couple of years, going

2268
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 2: back to you know, some of the Super Bowls and

2269
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 2: stuff like that.

2270
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think who replaces Andy Reid in Kansas

2271
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:51,840
Speaker 3: City's a fascinating and again this.

2272
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 2: Year it's a double edged thing, right, It's like, does

2273
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 2: Andy Reid have the gas in the tank to essentially rebuild?

2274
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 3: I wasn't even considering in that regard, but yeah.

2275
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 2: You know, does he have the does he have the

2276
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,799
Speaker 2: gas in the tank to essentially do a mini rebuild

2277
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 2: like an O nine Patriots rebuild? Or do they have

2278
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 2: a succession plan or do they have another head coach

2279
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:15,639
Speaker 2: in mind? Reads not up for that that they can

2280
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 2: turn this thing.

2281
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:18,200
Speaker 3: That's what I'm curious, Like, is there a succession plan

2282
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 3: in place? Are they going to do like a full

2283
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 3: coaching search they you know, is there going to be

2284
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 3: a push for Mahomes to hire internally? Maybe Mahomes want

2285
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:29,439
Speaker 3: Matt and Aggy, Maybe they want but like we've seen

2286
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 3: what Matt Naggie is his head coach now didn't Patrick Mahomes,

2287
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,639
Speaker 3: but we've seen what Matt Naggie is as a head coach,

2288
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 3: and like it's going to be interesting.

2289
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 2: So the last team I wanted to talk a little

2290
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 2: bit about because they play them next week is the

2291
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens, and we'll we'll talk a lot more about

2292
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:48,840
Speaker 2: the Ravens next week. But this is the one thing

2293
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:51,680
Speaker 2: that I kind of wrote down here, like, are we

2294
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 2: sure that at this at his current state with his health, Like,

2295
01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 2: is this version of the Lamar like really that? Like

2296
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 2: I think Lamar right now has been very, very pedestrian.

2297
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 3: I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt that

2298
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 3: when the lights get bright, and maybe he's too late

2299
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 3: now they're six and seven, but he's maybe earned a

2300
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt that when the lights get bright

2301
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 3: he can flip the switch and be that guy. Sure,

2302
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 3: but yeah, the way he's played since he came back,

2303
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 3: like it looks like he's still hurt. He doesn't look right.

2304
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the biggest thing with him in terms

2305
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 2: of how he looks, he just doesn't pull away from

2306
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 2: the pursuit of the defender anymore, like because he doesn't

2307
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:32,640
Speaker 2: have is he's compromised.

2308
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 3: Is an ankle injury, right y ain gole knee like

2309
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 3: he's just he's so it's again, his sack rate is

2310
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,640
Speaker 3: like doubled. Like when you watch him, I try to

2311
01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 3: extend plays, he's just not getting He's not pulling away from.

2312
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 2: The defense anymore. You know, the last play of the

2313
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 2: game last week, essentially like alex Heighsmith just sacks him

2314
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 2: in the pocket when it's one of it's like a

2315
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 2: hail Mary kind of like situation. But they actually were

2316
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 2: at i think the Pittsburgh like thirty or thirty five,

2317
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 2: so what it was they a hell Mary, But it

2318
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 2: wasn't like one of those like on the other side

2319
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 2: of the fifty that really they were going to be

2320
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:06,479
Speaker 2: able to get the ball in the end zone.

2321
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:09,680
Speaker 3: And he just takes a sack like you would never see that.

2322
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:12,600
Speaker 2: He would spin out of it, scramble out of it,

2323
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:14,960
Speaker 2: extend the play and at least get a pass off.

2324
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 2: And now you're just not seeing him do that anymore.

2325
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 2: So I'm really interested to see what kind of Ravens

2326
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 2: team the Patriots get next week, because they just flex

2327
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,120
Speaker 2: this Ravens team into primetime. It might say more about

2328
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 2: the Patriots and the Ravens. But the Ravens are still

2329
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 2: mathematically alive, but there's a very good chance of that

2330
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 2: Ravens team is six and eight and is like not

2331
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 2: really mathematically alive like.

2332
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 3: It is, but like is hanging on by a thread.

2333
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 2: And because they play the Bengals this coming up week

2334
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:46,120
Speaker 2: and they just lost to the Bengals on Thanksgiving. So

2335
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:48,000
Speaker 2: I just I don't know where the Ravens are at

2336
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 2: right now. I also don't know what the Steeler but

2337
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 2: to make of the Steelers either, I.

2338
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:55,679
Speaker 3: Again, I was impressed by what they did against the Ravens,

2339
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:57,639
Speaker 3: But the question is is that them turning a corner?

2340
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 3: Was it just like one random great punch. I think

2341
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:01,720
Speaker 3: it might have been that.

2342
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 2: All Right, you guys got to be quick, but we'll

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01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,679
Speaker 2: take these calls. Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

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Speaker 9: I got to play a bit of a nostra domesare.

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01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:12,920
Speaker 9: I see the Patriots winning out the rest of the season,

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01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 9: having the best record in the NFL and the number

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01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:19,759
Speaker 9: one seed, and they're going to beat Jacksonville and then Houston,

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01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 9: which will be the toughest game for them with that

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01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 9: great defense, but they'll they'll prevail. Also, if when the

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01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:32,280
Speaker 9: Bills drop eight into coverage on Sunday, Henderson's going to

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01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:34,640
Speaker 9: take a screen in for a touchdown. Now I have

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01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:37,640
Speaker 9: an idea also about I don't let me know what

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01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 9: you think about this, to try and fix the goal

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01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 9: line offense. Now, you bring in the jumbo package on

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01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:46,280
Speaker 9: first down, try and ram up the middle. If that

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01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 9: doesn't work, you keep the same personnel and then you

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01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 9: do a play action pass role option. Right, may will

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01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 9: run it in if you can. Otherwise it's going to

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01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 9: pass to Henry for a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 9: All right, I'll let you go on out.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Sean.

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01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they run like one or I think it's one

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01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 2: pass play with Kiris Tonga on the field. Yeah, you

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01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 2: know that's obviously there as an option. You know, he

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01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 2: hasn't been healthy, so they I think they probably would

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01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 2: have done it earlier.

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01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know if they do.

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01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 2: It against the Giants and why there's no reason to

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01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 2: use that against the Giants. But I'm not necessarily talking

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01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 2: about throwing it to Tonga. I'm just saying like that's

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01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 2: out on the table right.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The other thing, and what was the other thing that

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Speaker 2: he said?

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Speaker 3: I don't remember. I had a point, but I forgot

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Speaker 3: Derek is in South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Derek?

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Speaker 6: Hey all, real quick, So I actually remember that Patriots

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01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 6: standing against the Titans and two thousand nine because I

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01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:37,200
Speaker 6: had Brady and Moss on my fantasy team.

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Speaker 3: Oh there you go.

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01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 6: That would be And you all talk still about Jill

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01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 6: Brady and like the Bill is very predictable, like a

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01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 6: sixth place set when he came from LSU to Carolina

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01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 6: with Matt Rule. That was a knock on him at

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01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 6: the Panthers that the offense was so predictable in certain situations.

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Speaker 6: So the question I have for y all is, real quick,

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Speaker 6: if you're the Bill offensive defensive coordinator on this, are

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01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:06,680
Speaker 6: you going to use like the Patriots missing Williams and

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01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 6: maybe missing Tanga as an option for perfect play action?

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01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 6: You run the run of play action, dive linebackers come

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01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:15,080
Speaker 6: up and all of a sudden, you dropped it right

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01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:17,440
Speaker 6: over them, and I appreciate it. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's exactly what the Bills are going

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01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 2: to try to do. That is what the Bills do.

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01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 2: That's their moo first play of the game last week

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01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:29,600
Speaker 2: against the Bengals, play action crosser adult knocks for a

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01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:32,240
Speaker 2: huge play So that's going to be what they try

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01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 2: to do. If I was the Patriots, like I was

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01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 2: saying earlier, though, uh, they're you got a key on

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01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:40,680
Speaker 2: the fact that they don't marry. In my opinion, they

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01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 2: don't marry their their runs with their play actions particularly well.

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01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 2: So we used to talk about this all the time

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01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:50,760
Speaker 2: with like the Patricia Van Pelt offenses, where it was

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01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:56,639
Speaker 2: like they're running gap play action patterns routes, but they

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01:50:56,640 --> 01:51:00,240
Speaker 2: were running it with zone blocking or vice versa. I

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01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 2: feel like the Bills are kind of similar, yeah, and

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01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 2: that they run a lot of gap play action, but

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01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:07,680
Speaker 2: they run the ball with a lot of zone So

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01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:08,960
Speaker 2: it's like this.

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01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:10,600
Speaker 3: Is what remembered like some people were afraid of the

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01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 3: Patriots doing this at the beginning of the year.

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01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So if you can, if you can kind

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01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 2: of understand that, I think that you have a chance

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01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 2: to stop it and be pretty good. But yeah, it's

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01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:21,439
Speaker 2: an interesting point about Joe Brady. I know that he's

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01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,680
Speaker 2: come under some fire in Buffalo. Not everybody is a

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01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 2: big Joe Brady fan right now in Buffalo.

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01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:29,080
Speaker 3: So but then there's also people who want him to

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01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 3: be the next head coach if they fire MC.

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01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right, all right, we'll be back next week.

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01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 2: We'll talk about this Rave, the Ravens game, we will,

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01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 2: and the Bills game hopefully with some hats and some

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01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 2: T shirts and division title in hands.

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01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 3: So we'll see about Sunday.

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01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 2: But we'll talk about this Bills game, the Ravens and

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01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:51,040
Speaker 2: all of it again next week, same time, same place

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01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:54,160
Speaker 2: here on Catch twenty two and then Patriots Unfiltered is

2431
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 2: up in nine minutes, so you'll see those guys and

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01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 2: myself for a little bit at noon, and Alex will

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01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 2: be back. I'll Catch twenty two next week. Thanks guys,

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01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:04,479
Speaker 2: thank you so much for watching. We'll see you guys

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01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:07,479
Speaker 2: next week and hopefully the Patriots win the division on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Bye. Hey, this is Alex.

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