WEBVTT - The Juniper Tree

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode discusses sensitive topics. Please listen with care. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Miranda Hawkins. Welcome to the Deep Dark Woods.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode is at U seven twenty or the Juniper Tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the Robber Bridegroom. You might not have heard this

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<v Speaker 2>tale before. It hasn't been adapted by big names like

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<v Speaker 2>Walt Disney, but a lot of folklorests agree it's the

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<v Speaker 2>most gruesome brothers Grim story. We'll be telling the tale

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<v Speaker 2>in its entirety, so sit back and enjoy.

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<v Speaker 3>Long ago, at least two thousand years there was a

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<v Speaker 3>rich man who had a beautiful and pious wife, and

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<v Speaker 3>they loved each other dearly. However, they had no children,

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<v Speaker 3>though they wished very much to have some, and the

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<v Speaker 3>woman prayed for them day and night, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get any, and they didn't get any. In front of

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<v Speaker 3>their house there was a courtyard where there stood a

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<v Speaker 3>juniper tree. One day in winter, the woman was standing

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<v Speaker 3>beneath it, peeling herself an apple. And while she was

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<v Speaker 3>thus peeling the apple, she cut her finger and the

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<v Speaker 3>blood fell into the snow. Oh, the woman said. She

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<v Speaker 3>sighed heavily, looked at the blood before her, and was

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<v Speaker 3>most unhappy, if only I had a child as red

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<v Speaker 3>as blood and as white as snow. And as she

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<v Speaker 3>said that, she became quite contented and felt sure that

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<v Speaker 3>it was going to happen. Then she went into the house,

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<v Speaker 3>and a month went by and the snow was gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Then two months and everything was green. And three months

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<v Speaker 3>and all the flowers came out of the earth. And

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<v Speaker 3>four months and all the trees in the woods grew thicker,

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<v Speaker 3>and the green branches were all in twined in one another,

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<v Speaker 3>and the birds sang until the woods resounded, and the

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<v Speaker 3>blossoms fell from the trees. Then the fifth month passed,

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<v Speaker 3>and she stood beneath the juniper tree, which smelled so

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<v Speaker 3>sweet that her heart jumped for joy. And she fell

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<v Speaker 3>on her knees and was beside herself. And when the

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<v Speaker 3>sixth month was over, the fruit was thick and large,

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<v Speaker 3>and then she was quite still. And after the seventh

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<v Speaker 3>month she picked up the juniper berries and ate them greedily.

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<v Speaker 3>Then she grew sick and sorrowful. Then the eighth month passed,

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<v Speaker 3>and she called her husband to her and cried and said,

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<v Speaker 3>if I die, then bury me beneath the juniper tree.

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<v Speaker 3>Then she was quite comforted and happy until the next

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<v Speaker 3>month was over. And then she had a child as

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<v Speaker 3>white as snow and as red as blood. And when

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<v Speaker 3>she saw it, she was so happy that she died.

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<v Speaker 3>Her husband buried her beneath the juniper tree and began

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<v Speaker 3>to cry bitterly. After some time he was at more ease,

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<v Speaker 3>and although he still cried, he could bear it. And

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<v Speaker 3>some time later he took another wife. He had a

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<v Speaker 3>daughter by the second wife, but the first wife's child

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<v Speaker 3>was a little son, and he was as red as

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<v Speaker 3>blood and as white as snow. When the woman looked

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<v Speaker 3>at her daughter, she loved her very much. But then

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<v Speaker 3>she looked at the little boy, and it pierced her heart,

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<v Speaker 3>for she thought that he would always stand in her way.

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<v Speaker 3>That she was always thinking of how she could get

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<v Speaker 3>the entire inheritance for her daughter, and the evil one

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<v Speaker 3>filled her mind with this, until she grew very angry

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<v Speaker 3>with the little boy, and she pushed him from one

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<v Speaker 3>corner to the other, and slapped him here and cuffed

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<v Speaker 3>him there, until the poor child was always afraid, for

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<v Speaker 3>when he came home from school there was nowhere he

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<v Speaker 3>could find any peace. One day, the woman had gone

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<v Speaker 3>upstairs to her room when her little daughter came up

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<v Speaker 3>too and said, Mother, give me an apple. Yes, my child,

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<v Speaker 3>said the woman, and gave her a beautiful apple out

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<v Speaker 3>of the chest. The chest had a large, heavy lid

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<v Speaker 3>with a sharp iron lock. Mother said, the little daughter

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<v Speaker 3>is brother not to have one too. This made the

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<v Speaker 3>woman angry, but she said, yes, when he comes home

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<v Speaker 3>from school. When from the window she saw him coming,

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<v Speaker 3>it was as though the evil one came over her,

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<v Speaker 3>and she grabbed the apple and took it away from

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<v Speaker 3>her daughter, saying, you shall not have one before your brother.

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<v Speaker 3>She threw the apple into the chest and shut it.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the little boy came in the door, and the

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<v Speaker 3>evil one made her say to him kindly, my son,

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<v Speaker 3>do you want an apple? And she looked at him fiercely.

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<v Speaker 3>Mother said the little boy, how angry you look. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>give me an apple. Then it seemed to her as

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<v Speaker 3>if she had to persuade him. Come with me, she said,

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<v Speaker 3>opening the lid of the chest, take out an apple

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<v Speaker 3>for yourself. And while the little boy was leaning over,

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<v Speaker 3>the evil One prompted her and crash. She slammed down

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<v Speaker 3>the lid and his head flew off, falling among the

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<v Speaker 3>red apples. Then fear overcame her, and she thought, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>I can get out of this. So she went upstairs

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<v Speaker 3>to her room to her chest of drawers and took

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<v Speaker 3>a white scarf out of the top drawer and set

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<v Speaker 3>the head on the neck, again, tying the scarf around

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<v Speaker 3>it so that nothing could be seen. Then she set

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<v Speaker 3>him on a chair in front of the door and

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<v Speaker 3>put the apple in his hand. After this, Marlene came

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<v Speaker 3>into the kitchen to her mother, who was standing by

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<v Speaker 3>the fire with a pot of hot water before her,

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<v Speaker 3>which she was stirring around and around. Mother said, Marlene,

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<v Speaker 3>brother is sitting at the door, and he looks totally

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<v Speaker 3>white and has an apple in his hand. I asked

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<v Speaker 3>him to give me the apple, but he did not

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<v Speaker 3>answer me, and I was very frightened. Go back to him,

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<v Speaker 3>said the mother. And if you will not answer, you

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<v Speaker 3>then box his ears. So Arlene went to him and said, brother,

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<v Speaker 3>give me the apple, but he was silent, so she

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<v Speaker 3>gave him one on the ear and his head fell off.

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<v Speaker 3>Marlene was terrified and began crying and screaming and ran

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<v Speaker 3>to her mother and said, oh, mother, I have knocked

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<v Speaker 3>my brother's head off. And she cried and cried and

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<v Speaker 3>could not be comforted. Marlene said the mother, what have

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<v Speaker 3>you done? Be quiet and don't let anyone know about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It cannot be helped. Now we will cook him into

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<v Speaker 3>the stew. Then the mother took the little boy and

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<v Speaker 3>shopped him in pieces, put him into the pot, and

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<v Speaker 3>cooked him into stew. But Marlene stood by crying and crying,

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<v Speaker 3>and all her tears fell into the pot, and they

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<v Speaker 3>did not need any salt. Then the father came home

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<v Speaker 3>and sat down at the table and said where is

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<v Speaker 3>my son? And the mother served up a large large

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<v Speaker 3>dish of stew, and Marlene cried and could not stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the father said again, where is my son? Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>said the mother. He has gone across the country to

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<v Speaker 3>his mother's great uncle. He will stay there for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>What is he doing there? He did not even say

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<v Speaker 3>good bye to me. Oh, he wanted to go, and

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<v Speaker 3>he asked me if he could stay six weeks. He

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<v Speaker 3>will be well taken care of there. Oh, said the man.

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<v Speaker 3>I am unhappy.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't right.

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<v Speaker 3>He should have said good bye to me. With that,

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<v Speaker 3>he began to eat, saying Marlen, why are you crying?

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<v Speaker 3>Your brother will certainly come back then, he said, wife,

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<v Speaker 3>this food is delicious. Give me some more. And the

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<v Speaker 3>more he ate, the more he wanted. And he said,

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<v Speaker 3>give me some more. You two shall have none of

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<v Speaker 3>it seems to me as if it were all mine.

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<v Speaker 3>And he ate and ate, throwing all the bones under

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<v Speaker 3>the table until he had finished it all. Marlen went

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<v Speaker 3>to her chest drawers, took her best silk scarf from

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom drawer, and carried all the bones from beneath

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<v Speaker 3>the table and tied them up in her silk scarf,

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<v Speaker 3>then carried them outside the door. Crying tears of blood.

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<v Speaker 3>She laid them down beneath the juniper tree on the

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<v Speaker 3>green grass, and after she had put them there, she

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<v Speaker 3>suddenly felt better and did not cry anymore. The juniper

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<v Speaker 3>tree began to move. The branches moved apart, then moved

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<v Speaker 3>together again, just as if someone were rejoicing and clapping

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<v Speaker 3>his hands. At the same time. A mist seemed to

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<v Speaker 3>rise from the tree. And in the center of this

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<v Speaker 3>mist it burned like a fire, and a beautiful bird

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<v Speaker 3>flew out of the fire, singing magnificently, and it flew

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<v Speaker 3>high into the air, and then it was gone. The

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<v Speaker 3>juniper tree was just as it had been before, and

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<v Speaker 3>the cloth with the bones was no longer there. Marlene, however,

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<v Speaker 3>was as happy and contented as if her brother was

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<v Speaker 3>still alive. And she he went merrily into the house,

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<v Speaker 3>sat down at the table, and ate. The bird flew

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<v Speaker 3>away and lit on a goldsmith's house and began to sing,

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<v Speaker 3>My mother she killed me, My father, he ate me.

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<v Speaker 3>My sister. Marlene gathered all my bones, tied them in

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<v Speaker 3>a silken scarf, laid them beneath the juniper tree. Tweet, tweet,

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<v Speaker 3>What a beautiful bird am I? The goldsmith was sitting

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<v Speaker 3>in his workshop making a golden chain when he heard

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<v Speaker 3>the bird sitting on his roof and singing. The song

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<v Speaker 3>seemed very beautiful to him. He stood up, but as

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<v Speaker 3>he crossed the threshold he lost one.

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<v Speaker 1>Of his slippers.

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<v Speaker 3>However, he went right up the middle of the street

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<v Speaker 3>with only one slipper and one sock on. He had

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<v Speaker 3>his leather apron on, and in one hand he had

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<v Speaker 3>a golden chain and in the other his tongs. The

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<v Speaker 3>sun was shining brightly on the street. He walked onward,

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<v Speaker 3>then stood still and said to the bird, bird, he said,

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<v Speaker 3>how beautifully you can sing?

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<v Speaker 1>Sing that piece again?

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<v Speaker 3>For me, No, said the bird. I do not sing

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<v Speaker 3>twice for nothing. Give me the golden chain, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I will sing it again for you. Here is the

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<v Speaker 3>golden chain for you. Now sing that song again for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the bird came and took the golden chain in

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<v Speaker 3>his right claw, and went and sat in front of

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<v Speaker 3>the goldsmith and sang, my mother she killed me. My

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<v Speaker 3>father he ate me. My sister Marlene gathered all my bones,

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<v Speaker 3>tied them in a silken scarf, laid them beneath the

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<v Speaker 3>juniper tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Tweet tweaked, What a beautiful bird am I?

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<v Speaker 3>Then the bird flew away to a shoemaker and lit

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<v Speaker 3>on his roof and sang, my mother, she killed me,

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<v Speaker 3>My father he ate me. My sister Marlen gathered all

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<v Speaker 3>my bones, tied them in a silken scarf, laid them

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<v Speaker 3>beneath the juniper tree. Tweet tweet, What a beautiful bird

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<v Speaker 3>am I? Hearing this, the shoemaker ran out of doors

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<v Speaker 3>in his shirt sleeves and looked at up at his

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<v Speaker 3>roof and had to hold his hand in front of

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<v Speaker 3>his eyes to keep the sun from blinding him. Bird,

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<v Speaker 3>He said, how beautifully you can sing? Then he called

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<v Speaker 3>in at his door wife, come outside, there's a bird here.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at this bird.

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<v Speaker 3>You certainly can sing. Then he called his daughter and

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<v Speaker 3>her children, and the journeymen, and the apprentice and the maid,

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<v Speaker 3>and they all came out into the street and looked

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<v Speaker 3>at the bird and saw how beautiful he was, and

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<v Speaker 3>what fine red and green feathers he had, and how

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<v Speaker 3>his neck was like pure gold, and how his eyes

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<v Speaker 3>shone like stars in his head. Bird said the shoemaker,

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<v Speaker 3>Now sing that song again for me. No, said the bird.

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<v Speaker 3>I do not sing twice for nothing. You must give

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<v Speaker 3>me something. Wife said the man. Go into the shop.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a pair of red shoes on the top shelf.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring them down.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the wife went and.

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<v Speaker 1>Brought the shoes there.

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<v Speaker 3>Birds, said the man, Now sing that piece again for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the bird came and took the shoe in his

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<v Speaker 3>left claw, and flew back to the roof and sang,

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<v Speaker 3>my mother she killed me, My father he ate me,

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<v Speaker 3>and my sister Marlene. Gathered on my bones, tied them

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<v Speaker 3>in a silken scarf, laid them beneath the juniper tree.

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<v Speaker 3>Twee tweet, What a beautiful bird ever I. When he

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<v Speaker 3>had finished his song, he flew away in his right claw,

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<v Speaker 3>he had the chain, and in his left warm the shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>He flew far.

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<v Speaker 3>Away to a mill, and the mill went crickety clack,

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<v Speaker 3>crickety clack, crickety clack. In the mill sat twenty millers

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<v Speaker 3>apprentices cutting a stone and chiseling chip toop, chiptop, chip top,

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<v Speaker 3>and the mill went clickety clack, clickty clack, crickety clap.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the bird went and sat on a linden tree

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<v Speaker 3>which stood in front of the mill, and sang, my mother,

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<v Speaker 3>she killed me. Then one of them stopped working. My

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<v Speaker 3>father he ate me. Then two more stopped working, and

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<v Speaker 3>less and my sister Marlene. Then four more stopped, gathered

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<v Speaker 3>all my bones, tied them in a silken scarf. Now

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<v Speaker 3>only eight were chiseling, laid them beneath, now only five

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<v Speaker 3>the juniper tree. Now only one tweet tweet, What a

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful bird am I? Then the last one stopped also

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<v Speaker 3>and heard the last words bird, He said, how beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>you sing? Let me hear that too. Sing it once

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<v Speaker 3>more for me, No, said the bird. I do not

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<v Speaker 3>sing twice for nothing. Give me the millstone and then

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<v Speaker 3>I will sing it again. Yes, he said, if it

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<v Speaker 3>belonged only to me. You should have it, yes, said

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<v Speaker 3>the other. If he sings again, he can have it.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the bird came down, and the twenty millers took

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<v Speaker 3>a beam and lifted the stone up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yo. Heave ho yo, heave ho yo, heave holl.

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<v Speaker 3>The bird stuck his neck through the hole and put

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<v Speaker 3>stone on as if it were a collar. Then flew

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<v Speaker 3>to the tree again and sang, my mother she killed me,

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<v Speaker 3>My father he ate me. My sister Marlene gathered all

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<v Speaker 3>my bones, tied them in a silken scarf, laid them

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<v Speaker 3>beneath the juniper tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Tweet tweet, What a beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>Bird am I. When he was finished singing, he spread

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<v Speaker 3>his wings, and in his right claw he had the chain,

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<v Speaker 3>and in his left one the shoes, and around his

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<v Speaker 3>neck the millstone. He flew far away to his father's house.

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<v Speaker 3>In the room, the father, the mother, and Marlene were

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<v Speaker 3>sitting at the table. The father said, I feel so contented.

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<v Speaker 3>I am so happy. Not, I said the mother. I

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<v Speaker 3>feel uneasy, just as if a bad storm were coming.

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<v Speaker 3>But Marlene just sat and cried and cried. Then the

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<v Speaker 3>bird flew up, and as it seated itself on the roof,

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<v Speaker 3>the father said Oh, I feel so truly happy, and

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<v Speaker 3>the sun is shining so beautifully outside. I feel as

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<v Speaker 3>if I were about to see some old acquaintance again. Not,

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<v Speaker 3>I said the woman. I am so afraid that my

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<v Speaker 3>teeth are chattering, and I feel like I have fire

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<v Speaker 3>in my veins. And she tore open her bodice even more.

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<v Speaker 3>Marlene sat in a corner crying. She held a handkerchief

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<v Speaker 3>before her eyes and cried until it was wet clear through.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the bird seated itself on the juniper tree and sang,

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<v Speaker 3>my mother, she killed me. The mother stopped her ears

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<v Speaker 3>and shut her eyes, not wanting to see or hear.

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<v Speaker 3>But there was a roaring in her ears like the

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<v Speaker 3>fiercest storm, and her eyes burned and flashed like lightning.

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<v Speaker 3>My father he ate me, Oh, mother, said the man.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a beautiful bird. He's singing so splendidly, and

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<v Speaker 3>the sun is shining so warmly, and it smells like

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<v Speaker 3>pure cinnamon, my sister Marlene. Then Marlene laid her head

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<v Speaker 3>on her knee and cried and cried. But the man said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going out. I must see the bird up close.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh don't go, said the woman. I feel as if

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<v Speaker 3>the whole house were shaking and on fire. But the

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<v Speaker 3>man went out and looked at the bird, gathered all

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<v Speaker 3>my bones, tied them in a silken scarf, laid them

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<v Speaker 3>beneath the juniper tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Tweet tweaked, what a beautiful bird am I?

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<v Speaker 3>With this? The bird dropped the golden chain, and it

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<v Speaker 3>fell right around the man's neck, so exactly around it

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<v Speaker 3>that it fit beautifully. Then the man went in and said,

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<v Speaker 3>just look what a beautiful bird that is, and what

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<v Speaker 3>a beautiful golden chain he has given me, and how

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<v Speaker 3>nice it looks. But the woman was terrified. She fell

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<v Speaker 3>down on the floor in the room, and her cap

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<v Speaker 3>fell off her head. Then the bird sang once more,

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<v Speaker 3>my mother, she killed me. I wish I were a

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<v Speaker 3>thousand fathoms beneath the earth so I would not have

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<v Speaker 3>to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>My father ate me.

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<v Speaker 3>The woman fell down as if she were dead. My

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<v Speaker 3>sister Marlin, Oh, said Marlene, I too will go out

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<v Speaker 3>and see if the bird will give me something. Then

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<v Speaker 3>she went out, gathered all my bones, tied them in

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<v Speaker 3>a silken scarf. He threw the shoes down to her,

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<v Speaker 3>laid them beneath the juniper tree. Tweet tweet, what a

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful bird. And I then she was so contented and happy.

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<v Speaker 1>She put on the new red shoes.

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<v Speaker 3>And danced and leaped into the house. Oh, she said,

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<v Speaker 3>I was so sad when I went out, and now

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<v Speaker 3>I am so contented. That is a splendid bird. He

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<v Speaker 3>has given me a pair of red shoes. No, said

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<v Speaker 3>the woman, jumping to her feet, and with her hair

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<v Speaker 3>standing up like flames of a fire. I feel as

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<v Speaker 3>if the world were coming to an end. I too,

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<v Speaker 3>will go out and see if it makes me feel better.

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<v Speaker 3>And as she went out the door crash. The bird

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<v Speaker 3>threw the millstone on her head, and it crushed her

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<v Speaker 3>to death. The father and Marlene heard it and went out. Smoke,

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<v Speaker 3>flames and fire were rising from the place. And when

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<v Speaker 3>that was over, the little brother was standing there, and

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<v Speaker 3>he took his father and Marlene by the hand, and

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<v Speaker 3>all three were very happy, and they went into the house,

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<v Speaker 3>sat down at the table, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Ate more on the juniper tree. After the break the

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<v Speaker 2>Juniper Tree is considered the darkest collected tale by the

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<v Speaker 2>Grim Brothers. In fact, the stories listed under at U

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<v Speaker 2>seven twenty are also titled My Mother slew Me, My

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<v Speaker 2>Father ate to me. Folklorist Maria Tatar, who's written extensively

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<v Speaker 2>about the Grim Tales, said that it is probably the

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<v Speaker 2>most shocking of all fairy tales, and not just of

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<v Speaker 2>Grim but of all tales. So what makes it so dark?

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<v Speaker 2>We know in other fairy tales the stepmother is a

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<v Speaker 2>bad guy, but there's usually a reason for it. Stepmothers

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<v Speaker 2>are looking out for themselves so they don't starve to

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<v Speaker 2>death like a handle and Gretel, or they're looking out

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<v Speaker 2>for their own biological children to secure an inheritance. However,

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<v Speaker 2>folkloreist doctor Lynn McNeil says the stepmother's actions and the

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<v Speaker 2>juniper tree are beyond redemption.

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<v Speaker 4>We could say, man, she's looking out for herself and

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<v Speaker 4>her daughter. That makes sense, But the way to make

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<v Speaker 4>us not think that at all is to have her

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<v Speaker 4>set the body up, put the head back on the shoulders,

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<v Speaker 4>and ask the other child to slap them across the face.

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<v Speaker 4>That suddenly it's like, nope, no more, no, we cannot

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<v Speaker 4>make any excuses for her. She is just evil because

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<v Speaker 4>there's a there's almost a level of unsettling enjoyment in that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, there's almost a she's we get no description

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<v Speaker 4>that she finds her work distasteful. She sets this child's

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<v Speaker 4>body up in a chair, right, she is like, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>I know what to do, and then she cooks and

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<v Speaker 4>eats him and makes someone else think that they're.

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<v Speaker 2>To be Doctor McNeil says, the stepmother takes her evilness

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<v Speaker 2>a step further by involving her own daughter. She's not

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<v Speaker 2>only messing with her step son, but also her own

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<v Speaker 2>flesh and blood.

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<v Speaker 4>She sits his body on a chair, puts his head

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<v Speaker 4>back on his neck, ties the scarf around it so

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<v Speaker 4>you can't see what's happened, and then asks his sister

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<v Speaker 4>to come in and interact with him, and makes her

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<v Speaker 4>think that she knocked his head off when she slaps

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<v Speaker 4>him on the cheek. I mean, this is like the

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<v Speaker 4>worst kind of horrific gaslighting ever. Like this young girl

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<v Speaker 4>is being made to believe she murdered her brother so

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<v Speaker 4>that she will be complicit in hiding the crime from

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<v Speaker 4>her father. It is so horrifying. The whole thing, just

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<v Speaker 4>the deviousness, the complexity of it. The whole thing is

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had visceral reactions to the cannibalism and some of

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<v Speaker 2>these stories, but in the Juniper Tree. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>different element that I couldn't quite put my finger on.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor McNeil helped me understand what that element is.

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<v Speaker 4>We see a lot of monsters eating people in fairy tales,

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<v Speaker 4>the wolf swallowing, Little Red riding Hood and Grandma Hole,

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<v Speaker 4>the giant in Jack and the beanstalk. Who's gonna eat Jack?

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<v Speaker 4>Somehow wolves and giants sort of get a pass. We

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<v Speaker 4>understand that they eat people because they're monsters, right. Giants, wolves,

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<v Speaker 4>they are predators, They are you know, supernatural evil things

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<v Speaker 4>that eat people. This is someone's dad eating them. So

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<v Speaker 4>we are on a whole different level of cannibalism that

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<v Speaker 4>really leans into the taboo nature of it. And so

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<v Speaker 4>the cannibalism becomes insidious on this level that I think

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<v Speaker 4>is really unsettling in a way that it's not when

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<v Speaker 4>a monster's doing it. And I think that's what I think,

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<v Speaker 4>that's what gives this tale its staying power, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>also what has led it to be lesser known.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though it's, as doctor McNeil says, lesser known. There

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<v Speaker 2>are several hundred versions of the Juniper Tree, and most

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<v Speaker 2>of the other versions were recorded and published with any

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<v Speaker 2>century of the Grims. The first recorded version was titled

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<v Speaker 2>The Almond Tree. It was collected by Philip Otto Runge

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<v Speaker 2>and was published in a journal in eighteen oh eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Runge was a German Romantic painter, draftsman, and art theorist.

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<v Speaker 2>He's known for his expressive portraits and symbolic landscapes. He's

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<v Speaker 2>also known for his groundbreaking color theory. He introduced the

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<v Speaker 2>color sphere during the last year of his life in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen ten. It was one of the first attempts to

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<v Speaker 2>create a comprehensive color system in three dimensions. Runge didn't

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<v Speaker 2>specify a source for the story. He did give the

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers Grimma copy, and it was that story, the one

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<v Speaker 2>you heard at the beginning of this episode, that the

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers included in their eighteen twelve collection. The same story

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<v Speaker 2>was included in all their future collections, although with stylistic

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<v Speaker 2>and dialect variations. The Little Boy in the Wicked Stepmother

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<v Speaker 2>is a Romanian tale written by Moses Gastor. Remember he's

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<v Speaker 2>also the person who collected the Romanian version of the

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<v Speaker 2>Robber Bridegroom, in which a girl was sold to an

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<v Speaker 2>innkeeper who killed travelers and served their meat to his guests,

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<v Speaker 2>but today's story was published in nineteen fifteen. The Little

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<v Speaker 2>Boy and the Wicked Stepmother actually combines a to U

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<v Speaker 2>three two seven Hondol and Gretel and today's tale type

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<v Speaker 2>ATU seven twenty. There is a poor man who has

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<v Speaker 2>a wife and two children, a girl and a boy.

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<v Speaker 2>After his wife dies, the man remarries. The new wife

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<v Speaker 2>gives her husband no peace. Finally, she tells him to

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of the children or they shall starve. At first,

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<v Speaker 2>the man resists, but eventually gives in The children hear everything.

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<v Speaker 2>The next day, the father tells the kids to come

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<v Speaker 2>with him to the forest while he chops wood. Before

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<v Speaker 2>they leave, the little girl fills her pockets with ashes

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<v Speaker 2>and drops bits along the way. After reaching the densest

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<v Speaker 2>part of the forest, the father lies, saying he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to cut wood and then come back for the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't return. The two wait for a long while,

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<v Speaker 2>but finally the girl understands what's happened. Using her trail

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<v Speaker 2>of ashes, the two find their way home. Their stepmother

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<v Speaker 2>is so angry she does not know what to do

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<v Speaker 2>with herself. She almost goes out of her mind with fury.

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<v Speaker 1>If she could, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Would quote, swallow them in a spoonful of water. When

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<v Speaker 2>the stepmother realizes she can't get her husband to do

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<v Speaker 2>anything about the children, she takes matters into her own hands.

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<v Speaker 2>One morning, when her husband is away, she kills the

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<v Speaker 2>little boy. She then takes him to the sister and

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<v Speaker 2>commands her to cut him up and prepare a meal

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<v Speaker 2>for all of them. The little girl, afraid of being

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<v Speaker 2>killed herself, does as instructed. But the little girl takes

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<v Speaker 2>the heart and hides it in the hollow of a tree.

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<v Speaker 2>When the stepmother asks where it is, she lies and

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<v Speaker 2>says a dog took it away. When the husband comes home,

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<v Speaker 2>they all sit down to eat the meal. The father

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<v Speaker 2>has no idea he's eating his son. The little girl, however,

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<v Speaker 2>refuses to touch her meal. After they are done, the

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<v Speaker 2>girl collects the bones and also hides them in the

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<v Speaker 2>hollow of the tree. The next morning, a little bird

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<v Speaker 2>with dark feathers emerges from the tree's hollows, singing, cuckoo.

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<v Speaker 2>My sister has cooked me and my father has eaten me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am now a cuckoo and safe from my stepmother.

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<v Speaker 2>The stepmother is near the tree, and here is the bird.

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<v Speaker 2>In her rage and fright. She takes a heavy lump

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<v Speaker 2>of salt to throw at the bird, but it lands

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<v Speaker 2>on her head instead, killing her on the spot. The

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<v Speaker 2>little boy remains a cuckoo to this day. Another story

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<v Speaker 2>titled The Satin Frock comes from Yorkshire, England. The tale

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<v Speaker 2>was collected by S. O. Addie and published in eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven. Addie said it was told to him from C. R. Hurst,

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<v Speaker 2>who initially heard it from a thirteen year old girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Addie was an English author who lived around the turn

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<v Speaker 2>of the nineteenth century. He wrote books on history and folklore.

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<v Speaker 2>Hurst was a woman who adopted a masculine version of

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<v Speaker 2>her name. She was an artist who began with water colors,

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<v Speaker 2>but then took on an illusionistic technique to critique male pastimes.

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<v Speaker 2>The tail begins with a little girl named Mary who

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<v Speaker 2>has a satin frock. Her mother warns her that if

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<v Speaker 2>she gets the frock dirty then she will kill her.

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<v Speaker 2>Mary is out for a walk one day when she

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<v Speaker 2>passes cows who splashed mud onto her frock. She sits

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<v Speaker 2>down on a doorstep and begins to cry. A woman

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<v Speaker 2>in the house hears her and asks what's wrong. When

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<v Speaker 2>Mary explains, the woman takes Mary in, washes and dries

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<v Speaker 2>a frock, and then sends Mary on her way, warning

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<v Speaker 2>the girl not to get her frock dirty again. But

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<v Speaker 2>down the road a horse runs by, splashing Mary's frock

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<v Speaker 2>with mud again. When Mary gets home, her mother takes

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<v Speaker 2>her to the cellar, cuts her head off, and hangs

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<v Speaker 2>her head on the wall. When the father gets home

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<v Speaker 2>and asks for Mary, the mother lies and says she's

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<v Speaker 2>staying at her grandmother's before our bedtime. The father says

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<v Speaker 2>he will fetch the firewood, but the wife says, no,

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<v Speaker 2>she will. This goes back and forth, but the father

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<v Speaker 2>won't let her, so the father goes to the cellar

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<v Speaker 2>and sees the head. When he comes back up, he

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<v Speaker 2>asks his wife what it is. She tells him it's

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<v Speaker 2>a sheep's head for dinner tomorrow. At dinner the next night,

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<v Speaker 2>the husband says, this broth is nice, but it does

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<v Speaker 2>taste like our Mary. The wife is frightened, for when

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<v Speaker 2>her husband finds out what has been done, he takes

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<v Speaker 2>his wife to the cellar and kills her. All of

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<v Speaker 2>these tales are shockingly violent, So what exactly are tales

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<v Speaker 2>like these? And the juniper tree trying to tell us

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<v Speaker 2>the brothers Grim were incredibly religious. Jacob and Wilhelm were

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<v Speaker 2>raised Lutheran. This is one of the reasons why they

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<v Speaker 2>would censor or change their stories. But modern readers are

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<v Speaker 2>more apt to criticize the Juniper Tree for blending a

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<v Speaker 2>fairy tale with heavy handed bisblical illusions. In the book

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<v Speaker 2>The Annotated Classic Fairy Tales, folklorist Maria Tatar says that

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the story stands out because it sets

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<v Speaker 2>a date. Remember, the tale starts as many as two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years ago, and Tatar says this specification of an

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<v Speaker 2>era is unusual in fairy tales. The figure of two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years ago anchors the tale in biblical times and

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<v Speaker 2>suggests a connection with the origin of Christianity in light

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<v Speaker 2>of the boy's death and resurrection. The date has a

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<v Speaker 2>special significance, but there's more than that. For example, when

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<v Speaker 2>the evil One convinces the stepmother to kill her step son,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an allusion to the devil possessing her. The apple

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<v Speaker 2>is also an allusion to the Garden of Eden, when

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<v Speaker 2>the devil tricked Eve into eating the apple, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Eve tricked Adam, which ultimately leads to Adam's death. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>that's only a couple examples. More recently, the juniper tree

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<v Speaker 2>has been adapted into novels, incorporated into short stories, and

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<v Speaker 2>has been inspiration for visual art. One of the most

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<v Speaker 2>well known adaptations was a nineteen ninety Icelandic film starring

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<v Speaker 2>the now famous artist b York. The film follows a

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<v Speaker 2>story of two sisters. The younger sister, Marguite, is played

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<v Speaker 2>by b Yorke, and her older sister is named Katla.

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<v Speaker 2>Their mother has been killed for being a witch. Katlaw

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<v Speaker 2>tells Marguite that she'll find a husband and cast a

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<v Speaker 2>spell to make sure the two are loved and cared for.

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<v Speaker 2>The sisters run across a widowed farmer and his son.

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<v Speaker 2>While Katlaw is casting her spell. The son sees her

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<v Speaker 2>and becomes suspicious. Marguite and the sun become closer, but

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<v Speaker 2>as the movie progresses, Katla eventually tricks the boy into

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<v Speaker 2>jumping off a cliff to his death. When Katlaw serves

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<v Speaker 2>as stew made out of the boy's fingers, Marguite sees

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<v Speaker 2>a finger internally freaks out and goes to bury it

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<v Speaker 2>later at his dead mother's grave. The next day, a

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<v Speaker 2>large juniper tree has grown at the site and a

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<v Speaker 2>raven has taken up residence. Marguite runs back to confess

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<v Speaker 2>to the father what her sister did. Her sister flees terrified,

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<v Speaker 2>and Marguite and the farmer are left to tend to

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<v Speaker 2>the tree and raven. But in the end, the farmer

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<v Speaker 2>goes in search of cotlaw and Marguite is left on

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<v Speaker 2>her own. Although it's not found in the b York adaptation,

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<v Speaker 2>one similar theme found in most grim stories is that

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<v Speaker 2>beauty can be dangerous. In some grim tales, beauty symbolizes

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<v Speaker 2>the inherent good in someone, but a common sentiment among

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<v Speaker 2>German folk at the time of the Grim Brothers was

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<v Speaker 2>that beauty could bring bad luck. Here's doctor McNeil.

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<v Speaker 4>So you will often see there are many traditional societies

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<v Speaker 4>where there's a folk custom of spitting on your baby

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<v Speaker 4>or licking your thumb and smearing it on your baby's

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<v Speaker 4>face after someone has openly admired your baby, because that

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<v Speaker 4>level of admiration is on a fairly instinctive folk belief

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<v Speaker 4>level thought to draw negativity or bad luck.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you look at the juniper tree, the boy

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<v Speaker 2>was doomed from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>And this child the young son. He's not just any child.

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<v Speaker 4>He is this perfection worth dying for. In his mother's eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>This was worth it to her. She didn't die of

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<v Speaker 4>like a troubled childbirth. She didn't die of bleeding out

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<v Speaker 4>or even of sorrow. She died of joy, of happiness

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<v Speaker 4>at this beautiful baby boy. And right there we see

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<v Speaker 4>one of the interesting paradoxes of fairy tales, which is

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<v Speaker 4>that usually it's not a great thing to stand out

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<v Speaker 4>for being beautiful. That really just draws attention to you

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<v Speaker 4>in ways you don't like. So we get this strange

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<v Speaker 4>presentation in fairy tales where like a dire sort of beauty.

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<v Speaker 4>It's too much beauty, it's too striking, it's too contrasting,

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<v Speaker 4>is just going to bring you trouble. So this young

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<v Speaker 4>boy is sort of doomed from the outset because who

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't be jealous of him? What mother wouldn't show up

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<v Speaker 4>and say, why isn't my child as incredible as this child?

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<v Speaker 2>The tale also surfaces another theme we've come across before,

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<v Speaker 2>human agency. If you notice, the only one who has

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<v Speaker 2>any saying what happens to them is a stepmother. She

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<v Speaker 2>drives a plot along so to speak, but the mother, father, sister,

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<v Speaker 2>and little boy have things happening to them. They lack

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to control their own fates. Along with human agency,

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<v Speaker 2>the story questions humanity's goodness.

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<v Speaker 4>All of the magical elements in the story are the

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<v Speaker 4>positive ones, and the negative elements of this story are

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<v Speaker 4>all just really basely human, just driven by self serving

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<v Speaker 4>evil people, and that's it. And when magic kicks in,

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<v Speaker 4>it's to restore that balance. It's almost like the more

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<v Speaker 4>effective moral is humans are awful, which is really disappointing.

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<v Speaker 2>As with all the fairy tales we've explored in this series,

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<v Speaker 2>the Juniper Treat doesn't have a singular moral. Some say

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<v Speaker 2>it explores the problems and usefulness of desire, or that

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<v Speaker 2>it teaches imperfections can be good and real beauty comes

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<v Speaker 2>from the soul. But maybe, if anything, it's simply a

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<v Speaker 2>warning to be good. As we've traversed the woods with

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<v Speaker 2>Hansel and Gretel saved a little girl and her grandmother

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<v Speaker 2>from a hungry wolf, and princesses learn to save themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>the brothers Grim have taught us about the shortcomings of

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<v Speaker 2>society while still reminding us that good exists. These tales

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<v Speaker 2>give us an idea of where we were, but also

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<v Speaker 2>where we need to go, and in a way, it

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<v Speaker 2>reminds us how humanity is linked by universal themes that

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<v Speaker 2>spend time and cultures. Fairy Tales break down difficult problems

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<v Speaker 2>and ideas. It's why these stories get introduced to us

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<v Speaker 2>as children and why we revisit them as adults, because

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<v Speaker 2>they are truly for everyone. The Brothers Grim fairy Tales

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<v Speaker 2>may be dark, but they do more than give us

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<v Speaker 2>warnings about the shadowy corners of what it means to

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<v Speaker 2>be human. They remind us there's always a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of magic hidden all around us. Our journey has come

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<v Speaker 2>to an end. We've made it out the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining me through the.

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<v Speaker 1>Deep Dark Woods.

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<v Speaker 2>The Deep Dark Woods is a production of School of

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<v Speaker 2>Humans and iHeart Podcasts. It was created, written, and hosted

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<v Speaker 2>by me Miranda Hawkins. I also sound designed and mixed

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<v Speaker 2>this episode. This episode was produced by MIKEL. June and

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<v Speaker 2>senior producer Gabby Watts. Executive producers are Virginia Prescott, Brandon Barr,

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