1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation, and welcome to another victory Monday. 4 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: It's the Drive here on Steelers Audio Network. Wes Shuler 5 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: and Matt Williamson with you for the next two hours 6 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: of We have got a plenty to get into here. Matt. Yeah, 7 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: on a bit of a different week, a condensed week. 8 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 3: Weird week. We got to juggling everything this week. I 9 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: know it's been a TV and I were chatting about 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 3: before you got here. It's like I've been moving this 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 3: one to this and all the different shows more than 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: any week I can remember. 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a lot of this a couple of 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: weeks ago when we were of course in Doublin and 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: kind of moved our operation on the road and didn't 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: get back till late Monday afternoon, early evening time. We'll 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: have a little bit of a different week this week 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: is kind of Today will be our day. 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: To recap recap a great game, man, Yeah. 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: Twenty three to nine victory for the Steelers over the 21 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns. And then tomorrow we'll start quickly turning the 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: page for this quick turnaround to the Cincinnati Bengals. But 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: Matt it was a twenty three to nine victory for 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: the Steelers. I wouldn't call it completely a blowout, but 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: a decisive I think start to finish performance. 26 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: I think it was a very business like performance, and like, 27 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: if you didn't care one way or another about the 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: Browns or Steelers, or if this was the Thursday night 29 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: game and you're in Chicago or Seattle, you might be 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: like kind of boring game, you know, if you didn't 31 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: have anything invested, It's like not a ton happening here. 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: But I never was threatened by the Browns, you know, 33 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: Like I thought the best team controlled the action pretty 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: much from the start and asserted not dominance, but asserted 35 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: their strengthen that they were the bet or squad for sure. 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: And that played out basically from start to finish. There 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: wasn't any real moments where it's like, oh no, they're 38 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 3: coming near that Viking moment in Doublin much of that. 39 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: One of my biggest takeaways is defensively, I thought they 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: created a lot of havoc and splash and big plays 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: and frankly could have had a lot more. I mean 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: four or five near interceptions, you know, like I'm not 43 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: even blaming them for it, but what if they would 44 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: have picked off two of those, you. 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: Know, negated by the TJ. Wattoff sides. 46 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a couple real, real close to being big, 47 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: big splash plays on that side of the ball. And 48 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: then on offense, I thought the opposite in that very 49 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: few negative plays. I mean not every play was a 50 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: home runner, you know, but you're getting two yards on 51 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: second and four or you know what I mean, like 52 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: very few sacks or turnovers or just tackles for loss 53 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 3: or negative plays in general, and on offense. I really 54 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: think that's this sells the coaching staff short. But really 55 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: a Rogers thing too, because he's the one on the 56 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: field at the line of scrimmage, you know, and that 57 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: that Browns defense is really formidable. 58 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: Yes it is. Yeah, right, that continues to be something 59 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: to me that is growing. Yeah, it's it's still not 60 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: I've been a couple of weeks since I've used this one. 61 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: It's still not a Mona Lisa for the Steelers offense. 62 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: But I don't think it's your kindergartener scribbling something that 63 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: you hang on the refrigerator for a couple of days 64 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: and maybe you throw it away as well. 65 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: Too, right, and maybe when he's ten years old it 66 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: looks better. It's exactly fifteen year old. Maybe he's a 67 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: decent artist or either. 68 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: The run game continues to show some improvement. Again, not 69 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: a finished product, not great by any means, but they 70 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: rushed for one hundred yards against a defense that was 71 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: very stingy in that department. Best run defense in the league. 72 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and multiple quick on that because I didn't do 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: the math, but Mike pursued it and I did a 74 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 3: show with him earlier. If you eliminate really the garbage 75 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: time poor Caleb Johnson, you know, like he's just running 76 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: into like ten mini boxes, you know, and the Rudolph 77 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: Neil downs. Steelers basically did got to one hundred yards 78 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: almost basically in three quarters when in meaningful football, and 79 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: averaged well over four yards of carry just on that stuff. 80 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 3: Yet not the run into the boxes eating up clock time. 81 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: It's correct, absolutely, and some more of those explosive runs 82 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: that we had been kind of Jones and for not 83 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: a big twenty thirty, forty to fifty yarder, but Jalen 84 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: Warren had an eleven yarder that counts as an. 85 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: Explosive play, yeah, chunks. 86 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: Kenneth Gainwell had a ten yarder that counts as an 87 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: explosive play. John U Smith with a ten yard carry 88 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: is well too, and then Caleb Johnson with a nine 89 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: yarder right on that precipice. So I liked what we 90 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: saw in terms of again, not a finished product, not 91 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: a work of art, but moving in the right direction there. 92 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: And I think you can say the same about the 93 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: past game as well too. 94 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: I thought so too, Yeah, I mean down the field 95 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 3: a little bit more. 96 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 2: A little bit more down the field. Another solid performance 97 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: from dk Metcalf, fourth straight game with a touchdown for him. 98 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 99 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: That first play of the game, which I thought was yeh, 100 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: was awesome. Darnel Washington a thirty six yarder on the 101 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: first play from scrimmage. DK Metcalf had a twenty five 102 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: yarder as well too. I know the benchmark for explosive 103 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: passes is twenty yards, but you had a twelve yard 104 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: reception from Connor Hayward, twelve yard reception from Roman Wilson, 105 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: eleven yard reception from Pat Fryermouth, more of that intermediate stuff. 106 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and two touchdown passes. 107 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: Two touchdown passes every week down no turnovers for Rogers. 108 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: And once again, Matt, I know it wasn't the touchdown, 109 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: but every game that the Steelers have played in this country, 110 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: in the United States of America, Jack Nicholson, that departed 111 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: in this country. We don't walk around with automatic weapons 112 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: in this country. The Steelers have scored points on their 113 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: opening drive of every single game so far two touchdowns. 114 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: Is the only opening possession all season that they don't 115 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: have points was at Croke Park in Dublin against the Vikings. 116 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: So again, a lot of these things that we talked 117 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: about heading into the season, Yeah, they're they're they're not 118 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: valedictorian level success yet, but they are moving in the 119 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: right direction. 120 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: It's funny because that's about That was exactly what I 121 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: was going to say too, is some of the concerns. 122 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: Time of possession is getting better. It's getting better. It's 123 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: really trending the right direction, no doubt. The explosive play 124 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 3: differential getting a lot better. That was real bad before 125 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 3: you know, now it's getting better, better, better. The sack 126 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: differential was. 127 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: Crazy, it was crazy in the wrong department for the 128 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: first few weeks. Right now it's flipping back. 129 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: So big correcting, and they're you know, some of the 130 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: things we talked about in the off season, it's it 131 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: should be this team's god given right to lead the 132 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: team in sacks, lead the league in sacks. Well, they're 133 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: trending that way in a big way. And you're getting 134 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: sacks from Queen and Ramsey and you know, like Vince 135 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: Williams and Hilton used to and you know, from everybody 136 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 3: and Herbig's and Madman and all those things harmon, you know, 137 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: and then there was one other two whatever the throwing 138 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: touchdowns and red zones good and all that kind of stuff. 139 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: Red zones another great one. 140 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we're like good analysts because we've 141 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: kind of nailed what they should do and this is 142 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: how they should do it, and they seem to be 143 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: agreeing with us, and it's coming around, you. 144 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: Know, exactly right. And I think this was what you 145 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: wanted to see against this team that, yes, has a 146 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: strong defense. 147 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: It does. 148 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: But also, I mean, we know, like the Browns, they 149 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: are maybe in a way kind of trapped a little 150 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: bit in the same formula that the Steelers were in 151 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago when they were bouncing back 152 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: and forth between Pickett and Trubisky and Mason Rudolph of like, 153 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: you can win some games, but it has to go 154 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: exactly according to this format, to this script. You got 155 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: them off of that script early on. Dylan Gabriel through 156 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: the ball. It was fifty two times, right, fifty two times. 157 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 3: I think I think you dropped back fifty eight sacked 158 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: six exactly right. That is not the way. I mean 159 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: if you told me you dropped back fifty eight times, 160 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: like that can't be the plan. 161 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: Can't be the plan, right, And I think we all 162 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: would have liked the Steelers' chances to win if we 163 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: would have known that was the case. Quind John Jenkins 164 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: twelve carries for thirty six yards. Matt, I'm no genius, 165 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: but I can do the quick math on that one. 166 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: That's three yards per carry. 167 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: Yeah for a. 168 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: Guy that was top five and rushing in the league 169 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: going into yesterday. 170 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: Yep. 171 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: I think just job accomplished across the board. 172 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you beat me to it on him too, exact. 173 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: The next thing I was gonna say is the two 174 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: players in this game I feared most were Miles Garrett 175 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: obviously and Judkins, who I think is their best offensive 176 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: and best defensive player the show. I do with pursuit, 177 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: I do with Rob King. He's like, I don't think 178 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: I mentioned Miles Garrett in the playoff play and Judkins 179 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: was a non factor in this game. 180 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: Factor right, twelve carries for thirty six yards. You would 181 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: have signed in blood for that absolutely before kickoff. And 182 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: same with Miles Garrett. And how about that, Matt, how 183 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: about some credit for Roderick Jones. 184 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: Played really well. 185 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: I mean, perhaps his best game in the Black and gold, 186 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: his best game in a Steelers uniform, I think, at 187 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: least certainly since you know this year when he moved 188 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: to the left side of the offensive line, and it 189 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: wasn't just him, it was everybody on that offensive line. 190 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,359 Speaker 3: No, I mean he got help, no doubt. 191 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: No doubt ever. And there were there were some moments 192 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 2: where Rogers was under duress and had to get rid 193 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: of that thing quickly to be to be expected. 194 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: But his sack avoidance was really good. 195 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: Very good. 196 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 197 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he got rid of it quick when the pressure 198 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: was was was coming and he made just enough moves. 199 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: And listen, he's not mobile, thirty year old Aaron Rodgers. 200 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 3: Anymore sprint away from people, but. 201 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: He can he still has the savvy to when he 202 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: can diagnose it and sees it come and can buy 203 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: himself that extra half second that. 204 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: He needs it just he knows where it's coming from. 205 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: He knows exactly right. His game His game brain is 206 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: so evolved at this point. 207 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: Even like how he moved Hayward around for the touchdown pass. 208 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: He's like, exactly right, exactly right right. A couple a 209 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: couple of series before that, he was trying to do 210 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 2: a similar thing with Pat Freyermouth down the field and 211 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: I don't think I just don't think Pat saw him. 212 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: And it was a longer developing play, So that's understandable. 213 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, just to me, you win comfortable. Okay. We 214 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 2: could easily look at it and say, maybe you should 215 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: have beat him thirty to nine or thirty three to nine, 216 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: But you win comfortable. It's never in doubt. 217 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: I think one or two of those picks that were 218 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 3: super close, it might have been. 219 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 2: It could be a completely it could be a completely 220 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: different story. 221 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: And again I never thought they were really challenged. 222 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: Never. Yeah, right, I mean even you know, even at 223 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: halftime there when it was only nine to three and 224 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: it's still a one score game in Cleveland's getting the 225 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: ball coming out of the half, like I was never 226 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 2: super worse, He's never super worried about it. And Steelers 227 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: again kind of bookending, I guess that's the wrong way 228 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: to put it, because that would be at the beginning 229 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: and the end of game. But points on their first 230 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: drive of the first half, points on their second drive 231 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: of the second half, or first drive of the second half. 232 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: Part of me, each half first possession yielded points. I 233 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: said that very Sloteah. 234 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you've time to prepare for the half to 235 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: get game out and put points on. 236 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: They came out and put points on the board. Those 237 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 2: to me are again, those are some of the things 238 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 2: that we've been looking for. Those are the things that 239 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: if this defense is going to develop like we think 240 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: they can and be one of the best units in 241 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: the league, if the offense can continue to grow and 242 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: just get to that above average average to slightly above 243 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: average standpoint. 244 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 3: Maybe seven, you know, these these. 245 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: They're starting to check those boxes to hit a lot 246 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: of those indicators that again that we've been laying out 247 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: here for the last couple of months. 248 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know you would think they're not They're 249 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: not little things. I was about to say little things, 250 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: but like it's pretty clear how they're using their tight ends. Now, yeah, 251 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 3: they may not have known that in going into week one. 252 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: We like all these guys, but how's the best way 253 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: to use them? If you're fiarmooth, you're not thrilled about it, 254 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 3: but you know, not everyone could play all the time. 255 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: You know, the Anderson is glaring, you know, addition slash, 256 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: you know the way of using things Now it's minor, 257 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: but I want to throw it out there. But like 258 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: Caleb Johnson got six carries, Like, is is this the 259 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: beginning of his process of Okay? Maybe I think so 260 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: come November you're going to be comfortable with him too. 261 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 3: You know, like we saw so much this on defense 262 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 3: because of their injuries, they had to play equally and 263 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: goes a lot of echos, and for the most part, 264 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: they've all been successes. But now you know what you have, 265 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: even if they're the depth guys. 266 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, even with someone like Sawyer 267 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 2: as well. 268 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a lot of those guys played a lot 269 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: of snaps and you at least know who they are 270 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: and how to use them. Now the running back room 271 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: is starting to shape up a little bit. Too, like 272 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 3: pretty clear warns the one, even if the box score 273 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 3: is a little grayer than it was. But he's clearly 274 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 3: the best player in that room, you know what I mean. 275 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 3: And you know, even we didn't we ne had some 276 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: questions about the wide receiver room, which scares me outside 277 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 3: of Metcalf to be frank. But Miller was clearly the two. 278 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 3: Roman was the three, and you know heally ran eight routes. 279 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: But you could see their roles. They didn't want three 280 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: receivers on the field hardly at all. 281 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: Right, they didn't have to, no, And that's something that 282 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: continues to be part of the game playing. Yeah, certainly now, 283 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: especially in the second straight week. For the second straight week, 284 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 2: Darnall Washington did lead the Steelers tight end room and 285 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: snaps forty seven For Darnell Washington at the. 286 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 3: Post, he's tight in one, right, Yeah, Yeah, he's tight 287 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: in one. 288 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: And do you think that is the case even if 289 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: the Steelers were to line up? Hey, ma, I think 290 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: it's gonna be every week, maybe this Thursday. Cincinnati's a 291 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: good example a defense that's not as stout in the 292 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: run game. I do you think that's that's the case 293 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: moving forward? 294 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 3: Which I love. I mean, I've been calling for this, 295 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: We've been calling for this. I think he's just so 296 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: hard to play against, even if you don't use him 297 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 3: much as a receiver. But they are using him more 298 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 3: and more as a receiver. He's running more routes. He's 299 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: a ridiculously big target. You could tell Rogers trusts him 300 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 3: and his lobbying for him. I'm sure too. And I 301 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: think Rogers carries some waitness just. 302 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 2: A little bit, just a little bit. 303 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: And I don't think Friar moves even in the It's 304 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 3: just there's only so many snaps to go around. If 305 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 3: Anderson's gonna be out there twenty plus snaps, and Washington's 306 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 3: well over forty into the fifteen neighborhood, well, Metcalf's gonna 307 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 3: be out there running backs, canna be out there. What's left? 308 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: You know? 309 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 310 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: And John who's playing on passing downs a lot, Yes, yes, yeah, 311 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: yes he is. Friar Moose's unfortunate. He's kind of getting scraps. 312 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: Forty seven snaps for Darnel Washington out of fifty nine 313 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: for the offense, forty one for John News So not 314 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: terribly far behind now. Pat fryar Mouth with twenty one. 315 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: Connor Hayward was six, and as you mentioned, I think 316 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: you kind of have to put Spencer Anderson in that. 317 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: You know, that extra package. 318 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: Lines up in the back in a tight end spot. 319 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: Seventeen snaps for him, Yeah, in. 320 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: That seventeen of a possible fifty nine. 321 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: In that in that regard, so that is now two 322 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: weeks in a row that it's looked very similar to that. 323 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: It was a smaller number for friar Mouth in Dublin 324 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: than than it was in the doghouse. I think that 325 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: was a little bit different and I listen, I don't 326 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: think that that means that we're going to see friar 327 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: Mouth in a relegated role the entire season. I think 328 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: he'll still have at some point he'll have a big 329 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: part to play in this offense. His time will come to, 330 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: His time will come to. But I think that's kind 331 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: of again. We spent so much time in OTAs and 332 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: in mini camp and particularly training camp, you know, when 333 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: the Minka trade had been made, and in all those 334 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: things as well to talking about these tight ends, their 335 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: different skill sets, how you can attack kind of manipulate 336 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: defenses with this group. That's another thing that it took 337 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: some time for the offense, for all of them to 338 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: get on the same page, for Aaron Rodgers to get 339 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: you know, to get mogination, as Wolf would have said. 340 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: With all of this, with all of his new teammates, 341 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: and I again, I think they're starting to get comfortable. 342 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: It's like they were dipping their toes in the in 343 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: the shallow end for a little bit. Yeah, you're now 344 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: like sampler here, but they've identified you know, that cookies 345 00:15:59,000 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: and cream down there. 346 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: That was the best. 347 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: It was pretty good. Let's let's stay in that department 348 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: for a little bit. 349 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: Wolf would I appreciate that too? 350 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: He certainly would. He absolutely would. A victory donut Monday 351 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: for our for our buddy Craig Wolfley. 352 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: So here's a little more that tight end stuff I 353 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: might expand on. So this probably doesn't shock anyone, but 354 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 3: Washington's played forty five or more snaps in each of 355 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: the last two games his he played thirty or fewer 356 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 3: in the first three. You like, they've clearly dedicated to 357 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: It's not a one off, you know. I mean he's 358 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 3: playing a nice jump more than what was his highest 359 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: And then just for pass plays, Smith was on the 360 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 3: field for like sixty eight percent, Washington was about sixty 361 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: one percent, and friar Mouth were about forty five percent 362 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: just when they called a pass. 363 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: Yes, you know that I think paints a better picture 364 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: for mooth and and and yeah, and you know again 365 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: it's I don't think just because it's been this way 366 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: for the last two weeks means it's going to be 367 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: this way for the next twelve. 368 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: No, right, right, But. 369 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: It's also nice too that at some point if you 370 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: do go back to all right, we're gonna be pass 371 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: heavier this week, it's gonna be more mooth than John 372 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: Hu this week, or if. 373 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: You get down one of my I'm sorry interrupt, but 374 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: like when well, it's a great point. One of my 375 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: issues with being I love the thirteen personnel stuff, and 376 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: I love the John who trade well the Ramsey part 377 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 3: of it too, but the John new addition, like you're 378 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 3: doing something that's unique. But one of my concerns was 379 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: inevitably at some point during the season, it's gonna you're 380 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: to be down ten parts in the fourth quarter and 381 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 3: no one cares that you've got a good match up 382 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 3: against Darnell versus safety because it's an eight yard game. 383 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 3: You know, like eventually Rogers is gonna have to drop 384 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: back there and fling it all over that it's gonna 385 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: happen at some point. Can you do that? 386 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: And you're gonna want Pat Fryar Moose when that time comes. 387 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: I mean right now that is probably you put Washington 388 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: down Friarmuth John who metcalf Austin hopefully you know, and 389 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 3: that's what you got. Again. I would love another receiver 390 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 3: still too, But yeah, I'm starting to get gree to 391 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 3: you on that. By the way, why not? 392 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 2: Why not? 393 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 3: Why not? It's it's a good team. 394 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: It's a good team who's in a great position, by 395 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 2: the way, as they keep winning and everyone else in 396 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 2: the AFC North keeps losing. Uh and man, you have 397 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 2: really got an opportunity to put a stranglehold on this 398 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 2: division before Halloween even uh here in a few days 399 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, let's talk a little bit more about that. 400 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: I want to talk about some of the edge rusher 401 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: usage because there's some there's some juicy stuff there as well, too, 402 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: plenty to get into. As we roll along today, we're 403 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: gonna talk to Rob King in hour number two. We'll 404 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: recap some other stuff that happened around the league. We 405 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: got a bunch of tweets as well. I wanted to know, 406 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 2: did you get many angry Miles Garrett tweets in the 407 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 2: aftermath of his one or two I thought you might 408 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 2: have a few people telling you, oh, where's your boy, Miles? 409 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: That often happens because he doesn't do his best work 410 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: against the steep it do. 411 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 2: He certainly does not say I'll be the first to 412 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 2: play my tiny little violin the world's smallest violin like 413 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 2: I'm Steve Bishemi and reservoir dogs for Miles Garrett and 414 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: what transpired Sunday at Akershuer Stadium Steelers twenty three Brown's 415 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: not will continue to recap at all as we roll 416 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 2: along West Wheeler. Matt Williams and it's the Drive on 417 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. 418 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: Your tune's about drive on your twenty four to seven 419 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio. 420 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: Back on the drive here as we recap another victory 421 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: for the Steelers twenty three to nine over the Cleveland Browns. 422 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: And Matt, how about this Nick Herbig playing the most 423 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: snaps of the Steelers edge rushers. Yeah, Yeah, it was 424 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: very close to be fair, he played sixty one percent 425 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: of the snaps. TJ. Watt's sixty, Alex high Smith fifty 426 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: seven so. 427 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: And Sawyer was over twenty snaps was as well too, 428 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 3: and someone in garbage. 429 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 2: Some of that. I was going to say some of 430 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: them skewes skewed because the end of the game, the 431 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: Steelers were resting some of their uh. 432 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: The broadcast teams was hurt, which I don't think was 433 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 3: the case. 434 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 2: I don't think it was the case at all. 435 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 3: No, I mean, the game is out of reach and 436 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 3: they just sat them down, Yes, and exactly what they 437 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 3: should do. 438 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin just had his press conference a couple hours 439 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: ago on a Monday this week because it's the short week. Sure, 440 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: we'll cover it obviously, and when he discussed injury stuff, 441 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: there was no mention of of TJ. Watt or anything. 442 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: All relatively good news on the injury department. Didn't sound 443 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: overly optimistic about Calvin Austin for this week, but I 444 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: think it would be you know, Packers game at the 445 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: latest Killibrew's the only one who you know. Mike Tomlin 446 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: said the same thing he said postgame, it's significant injury 447 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: and he's gonna miss some time. 448 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: I was worried just watching it in game though. It 449 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: seemed like a defensive back there for a while. It 450 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: was in and out all the time. 451 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 2: Yes, you know, like Ramsey got the win knocked out 452 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: of him at one point, missed a couple of sligh 453 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: missed a couple seems like they were all just as 454 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: Mike Toma would say, bumps and bruises associated with play. Yeah, 455 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: and and nothing that's gonna that's gonna hamper them or 456 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: hurt them. 457 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 3: I even thought to him, like glad Ramsey's healthy or 458 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: played this game, not because he was good, but he 459 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 3: could play all those roles, you know, like, oh we 460 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: lost the corner, we lost a slot, we lost the safety. Jalen, 461 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: go do it. 462 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: That's why his I mean, his value is immense just 463 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: because he can wear so many hats for that team. 464 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: You need him on the outside, you need him in 465 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 2: the slot, you need him in safety. He's he's got 466 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 2: you all of them, right, He's got you covered wherever, uh, 467 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: wherever you need to be stuff. But yeah, we you 468 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: know you and I kind of spent some time talking 469 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: about what does it look like when high Smith is 470 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: back Herbig has been so good. I Matt, I think 471 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 2: the way that they value you would appreciate Herbig right 472 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 2: now and view him right now can be summed up 473 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 2: by this. You know this. I'm sure most of the 474 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: listeners do. But the Steelers introduce one of the units 475 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: before every home game. Told me I was bring it 476 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: up to so it you know it flip flops, and 477 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: so for the first home game against Seattle, I think 478 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense. The Steelers organization, we 479 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: all know, usually leans toward the defensive side of the football. 480 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 2: That's kind of the history of the organization. But it's 481 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, you worst first game. You want him to 482 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 2: get that. 483 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: Points in front of them crowd. 484 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was the defense that got introduced for 485 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: this one, and they introduced twelve guys on that defense. 486 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 3: Matt Herbi. 487 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: They included Herbig in there as well too, and they 488 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: not only showed him that love in the intro to 489 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: introduce him as an extra starter, they also backed that 490 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: up with the way they used him throughout the game. 491 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 3: A million percent. So here's one stat that came out 492 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 3: of the game, and this came straight from NFL dot Com. 493 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: This is you know, not because I don't always like 494 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: in my stat pack he don't put pressures in there 495 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: because like, who's calling that pressure not blah blah blah. 496 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: But if it comes straight from the league, I'm going 497 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 3: to cite it, at least on the air. He had 498 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 3: eight pressures in this game. That's the second time this 499 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 3: year that he's had eight or more. Two games he's 500 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 3: had eight pressures. 501 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: Missed a game with injury as well. 502 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: Too, right, and he's not a full time player to 503 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 3: start season. Oh, by the way, there's three players in 504 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 3: the league that have had eight pressures multiple times this year. 505 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 3: It's him, it's Aiden Hutchinson, and it's Micah Parsons. 506 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: It's a pretty good company. 507 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, folks, I've said this a few times, 508 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: and I'm gonna stress it even more and more now. 509 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 3: He's one of the best pass rushers in the league, 510 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: period of sense. Yes, stop, yes, and he can play 511 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 3: either side. He's fine versus the run. He's not a 512 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: liability versus run. He's an exceptional football player. I love Highsmith. 513 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: I love what her big can't be off the field much. 514 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: And I love the way they did it too. You know, 515 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: like you gotta lead TJ is definitely the guy you 516 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: sit down. Of course, age, respect all those things, keep 517 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: all these guys fresh. And I was a little critical 518 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 3: of the Sawyer pick. But he's doing his job. That's 519 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: your fourth guy is just a power player, inning eater, 520 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: find power, play hard, try to maximize his stuff too. 521 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 3: I'm sure he's learning from the other three in the process. 522 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: What a great room to you know, grow up in too. 523 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: But her BIG's a star, folks. He's not like, no, 524 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: he's kind of a cute player. He's the twelfth guy. No, no, no, 525 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 3: Like if you rank those twelve, he might be third, fourth, 526 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 3: you know, like he's a great player. 527 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: He's been one of their best five players this season. Yeah, 528 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: forget like value and position and all that stuff. If 529 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: you just listing, who's the top five Steelers right through 530 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: five games? Right, yeah, five games? 531 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: If you grade every snap they were on the field, 532 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 3: who grades the best? 533 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: He's in the top five. 534 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 3: No one beats him. 535 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: He might be in the top three right right, right one. 536 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 3: Just an efficiency per snap. But he's really done that 537 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 3: his whole career. You know, he's been one of that. 538 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: It's kind of like the Warren conversation, Like he averages 539 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 3: a lot more yards per carry than Nausey, But would 540 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 3: he against space defenses and not have you know, third 541 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 3: and eights to get a draw for six yards, which 542 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 3: is a valid conversation. But her big It's like, doesn't 543 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: matter how many snaps you get him, he still is 544 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: a three hundred hitter. You know. It's not like he 545 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: can just pinch it exactly. 546 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: There was a time when you could say, yeah, he's 547 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 2: having great success, but the sample size is small. 548 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: It's not the case, and he benefits from TJ on 549 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 3: the other side. 550 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: No, he's great, he's outstanding. 551 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: Right. 552 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: It reminds me a little bit of that last year 553 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: the Bud Dupree was here and him and TJ were 554 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: playing at such a high level. Yeah, yeah, Bud got 555 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 2: the contract from the Titans to prove it. 556 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 557 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 2: But then there was this start round rookie out of Charlotte, 558 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: Alex Highsmith, who like every time he was on the field, 559 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 2: you were like, that guy's good, he's good. Like that 560 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: guy's making plays, and you started to think it's okay 561 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: because he's hoping, he's hopping off the bench's getting match 562 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: ups TJ and all day. Right, But then it eventually 563 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 2: he became undeniable that like high Smith is pretty good 564 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: at this too, and then his second year he has 565 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: double digit sacks and is probably one of the top 566 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 2: ten or twelve edge rushers in the league. 567 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, it turn to get paid. 568 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 2: It's turn to get paid, right It's like that's and 569 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: they deserve its reminding me of Herbig right now. But 570 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: maybe even and this is not a knock on Heighsmith, 571 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 2: this is credit to Herbig, maybe even a even a 572 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: little bit of a step better than what we said 573 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: as a pass rusher from Herbig or in his early career. 574 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: Exactly, he's a star. I mean, every team's gonna look 575 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 3: at him like, man, we don't have a really hard 576 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: time blocking that dude, and we're gonna you know, it 577 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: doesn't matter who you are. Yes, and it didn't hurt. 578 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 3: But this is one game. The Browns tackle situation fell apart. 579 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 3: As a game went on. We knew the left tackle 580 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: was gonna be bad. Conklin's a little over eight anyways, 581 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 3: then he gets hurt, you know, but every team has 582 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 3: bad tackle. 583 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: You say this all the time. It's like the worst 584 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: group of units around the league, offensive line line, whoever 585 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 2: you think has the best offensive line in the NFL. 586 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: If you gave their O line coach truth serum, he 587 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: would tell you, I still wish we could upgrade at 588 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: left guard, or I still wish our center was better. 589 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 3: Still not the best unit on their team or whatever, 590 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 3: you know, right, yeah, I mean nobody. 591 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: Is lineman, nobody has nobody has lineman. Everyone is looking 592 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: for help in that department. And that makes it a 593 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: great place to be for the Steelers to have just 594 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 2: the weaponry that they have after week and boy, Cam 595 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 2: Hayward's playing at a high level, and Derek Harmon's playing well, 596 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: and Keanu Benton's playing much. 597 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 3: Better role now so much, and you know he might Wally. 598 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: You know, he might be the guy on the team 599 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: that I think, and I mean this in the best way, 600 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: has done like the biggest one to eighty over these 601 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. 602 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 3: His tape was very concerning to start the season. 603 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 2: Very concerning in the lapse of. 604 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 3: The linebackers all the time getting pancake five yards down feet. 605 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: And part of that is, hey, you got to control 606 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 2: what you can control, right Yeah. Plenty of people in 607 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 2: the NFL are not in the most optimal situation. To succeed, right, 608 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: But part of that was also his usage. Without a doubt, 609 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: there's there's a real much rhyme behind that reason too. 610 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 2: His usage, his deployment I think has been much better 611 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: to suit his skill set since you got Derek Harmon back, 612 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 2: and it's showing. 613 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 3: It's showing in a big way, right, right, it absolutely is. 614 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 3: And this is true for Cam too. I mean all 615 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 3: those guys and this is this is true for across 616 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 3: the league. Week one, no one's in shape, you know, 617 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: I mean not like this kind of shape. They're in 618 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 3: shape compared to me and you and everybody listening, but 619 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 3: they're not in shape to play sixty snaps against the Jets, 620 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 3: you know. I mean that's a different. 621 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: World, one hundred percent. 622 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean you're playing max like ten in 623 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: the preseason, you. 624 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: Know, yes, right, it takes time for everybody. But I 625 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: think particularly those guys in the trenches, they're big because. 626 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 3: The fat on their body and they're big, right. 627 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: They're not wide receivers and running backs, sensive backs who 628 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: are running routes at least all throughout July. 629 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: And simulate running routes, I mean you could run a 630 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 3: million sprints. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I can't fight, 631 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 3: you know, Zach Frazier for sixtys in a row, and 632 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: I'm never gonna survive. 633 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 2: You know, I thought, I thought my boy Zach Fraser 634 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: had himself a very solid game as well too. 635 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: In general, those tackles are coming around too. 636 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: Tackles are coming around. They're looking much much better. No 637 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: sacks for the Browns. They did have six TFLs, which 638 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: is a little high. But when the Steelers have six 639 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: sacks their own uh selves six TFLs as well, I mean, 640 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: and it's just coming from all over the place. Peyton 641 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: Wilson with a TfL, Ramsey with two sacks and two TFLs, 642 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: TJ half sack, Harmon has a sack, high Smith half sack. 643 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: Pierre with a TfL. 644 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 3: Pierre got thrust into action and been okay too, you know, 645 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 3: right he again, if that's your fifth corner, your fourth corner, 646 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 3: that's always gonna be active on game day. Fine, you 647 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: can get thrust into like the third guy. 648 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: Right, Sometimes the number two guy points in his career 649 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: as well too. No he is he again, It's it's 650 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: all coming together. Cole Holcombe is getting more spin and 651 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 2: more reps, yeah, than than we've seen. 652 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 3: Clark was inactive because you didn't need them, you know, 653 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 3: like right, and Pepper's had an uneven day, but like 654 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 3: he's moved past them. 655 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, yes, he did, no doubt. And so 656 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: it's a good place to be for the Steelers. Defense 657 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 2: is performing the best that they have at this point 658 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: in the season, as healthy as they've been at this 659 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: point in the season, and the. 660 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 3: Tests are gonna get tougher. Maybe not Thursday, but I mean, 661 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 3: that's not the best offense in the league, but. 662 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: They still they obviously still have some guys that can 663 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: beat you and can hurt you, and we'll talk plenty 664 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: about that. 665 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 3: They create havoc. 666 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: They they yes, no doubt, and that's that is difficult 667 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: for offenses. For quarterbacks. I don't care if you're a 668 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: rookie Dylan Gabriel, if you're a veteran Joe Flacco. That's 669 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 2: a tough defense to play against. We're obviously going to 670 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: see both opposite ends of that spectrum as well. It'll 671 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: be uh a little over three days from from right 672 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: now when the Steelers, I know that is crazy to 673 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: say out loud, or kicking off there at pay Course 674 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 2: Stadium against Cincinnati there, of course, coming off a loss 675 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: at lambeau Field against the Packers. Plenty more on Cincinnati 676 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: tomorrow and as we roll along in the week, but yeah, 677 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: I'm starting to feel very good about this defense, more 678 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: encouraged by the offense Matt and again at four and one, 679 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: you're only lost being an NFC loss at this point 680 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 2: as well too. Ravens lost again there one in five, 681 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: you beat the Browns, Bengals lost again. You can really, 682 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 2: I think stick a fork in Cincinnati with a with 683 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: a win on They just have to be. I mean, 684 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: they they just have to be at this point. 685 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: And we'll get into it. But Flacco helped them a 686 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 3: little definitely, it was better than. 687 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: It's definitely definitely helped them a little bit. But hopefully 688 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: it'll just stay in that realm and won't be too 689 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: much of a health here. 690 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 3: And Hendrickson got hurt. 691 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: Hendrickson got hurt too. 692 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 3: And tackle I mean, I don't know what their status is, but. 693 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: A short week. We'll get into some more of Thursday 694 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 2: nights of not being kind to the Steelers and Mike 695 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: Collins as of late, but this feel like the good 696 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: opportunity the rite opponent to exercise some of those demons 697 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 2: as once again these Steelers get a win out of 698 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: their bye week. Now fifteen and four off the bye. 699 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: In the nineteen years that Mike Tomlin can't tell me 700 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: has been the boss of the sidelines for the Pittsburgh Steelers, 701 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: you cannot tell us that that is a fluke for sure. 702 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: More thoughts on this game when we return on the 703 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: other side, as we wrap up the first hour on 704 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: the other side, that was redundant department of redundancy department 705 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: over here, West Shuler, Matt Williamson, it is the Drive. 706 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: More on the Steelers victory of the Browns as we 707 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: roll along here on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers 708 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: Audio Network, your. 709 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: Tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven home 710 00:32:50,080 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: of the Black and Goal, Steelers Nation Radio. 711 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: Feeling good here on the Drive on a Monday, Another 712 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: victory for your Steelers as they moved to four and one. 713 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: They do it in their first AFC North clash of 714 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 2: the season. They'll have another one of those against another 715 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: team from Ohio here in just a couple hours. They're 716 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: gonna kick off that thing at pay Corse State the 717 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 2: little week against Ohio here for the Pittsburgh Steelers, as 718 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: the Browns continue to not have won a regular season 719 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: game in Pittsburgh in over twenty years. Pretty crazy to think. 720 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: I think it was the first year that then Hinesfield 721 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: opened now Akroscher Stadium. I think I believe was the 722 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 2: only time the Browns have gotten a regular season win there. 723 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: They did, of course, have that playoff wild card game 724 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one that we do not mention, but 725 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 2: just a insane street of the Steelers at home against 726 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 2: a division foe. Long may it continue, Matt. We do 727 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 2: have a few minutes here till we got to get 728 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 2: to our buddy Rob king who, Yeah, I know you 729 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 2: do that the recap show with with him and Mike Pursuda. 730 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 2: Did Kinger mention his his love for de Kaylin. 731 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 3: It came up quite a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we 732 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 3: replayed that and you might even know better than I do, 733 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 3: but I guess he talked to d K and DK 734 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 3: said I prefer it, but I go by DK because 735 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 3: everybody mispronounces it. Yes, And then Pursuda, you know, the 736 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 3: typical writer background. He's like, well, it's not the period, 737 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 3: K period, it's just right. Yes, So maybe that's the 738 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 3: thing and Rob robson what's the break up to I shouldn't. 739 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 2: But yeah, Rob Rob talked to to mister Metcalf this week. 740 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and UH was like, you know, does anybody 741 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 2: call you Decaylin? What's the story behind DK? And he said, 742 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 2: I actually prefer to be called the Kaitlin, but it's 743 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 2: just everyone messed up my name and so DK became 744 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 2: a nickname. That's what Rob gets for being like a 745 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: real savvy journalist. Media Guy's a tough spot because he 746 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 2: is what it is, because he says, I want to 747 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 2: be called the Kaitlin, but everyone else is like, what 748 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 2: are you doing? 749 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you're in a new uniform. It's time for 750 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 3: a change, you know. I like it. 751 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: You know, we'll get the scoop from Kinger here in 752 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 2: just a few minutes. 753 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 3: But first I didn't know when he said it, I'm like, 754 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 3: did you make I didn't know that's was even his name. 755 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 2: I didn't, I didn't. 756 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 3: I don't know TJ's first name, Jordan's I should but yeah. 757 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 2: Motes used to make this joke that you can tell 758 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: if somebody is important in Wes's life because he knows 759 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: their full government name. Oh wow, Trent Jordan Watt, Sidney, 760 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 2: Patrick Crosby, gotcha, Benjamin Todd, Roethlisberger. 761 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 3: Matthew Craig Williamson, exactly. 762 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler video Viitemeier something like that. I think it's 763 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 2: TV's middle name. Uh, yes, that's it. You got to 764 00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: listen to the US. 765 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: I think about it, right. 766 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 2: You know mine starts with the V. 767 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 3: I know it starts of the V. But the name 768 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 3: that I call you is not. 769 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 2: We'll believe it at that. I did want to run 770 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 2: this by you before we get to rob King the King. 771 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers average time to throw against Cleveland two point 772 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 2: seventy three seconds longer. Yeah, second longest of his Steelers 773 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:30,720 Speaker 2: career so far. Also nearly seven point seven yards average 774 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 2: depth of target. Yes, that is by far his highest 775 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 2: average depth of target this season by more than a yard. Again, 776 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 2: starting to see some of that stuff that we've been Yeah, well, 777 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 2: this offense isn't sustainable if they continue to Yeah there's 778 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 2: some truth to that. Sure, but but but slow, more 779 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 2: and more slower than we all want. Sure, this is 780 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 2: a this is a instant gratification world. 781 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 3: Work on all these things at your own pace while 782 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 3: you win. 783 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 2: That's it. And you and I say this all the time, Like, 784 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 2: I get it. I'm not calling people crazy. We love football. 785 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 2: It's by far the most popular sport in this country. 786 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 2: It's religion in this country. Your team plays seventeen meaningful 787 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: games a year if you're lucky. 788 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 789 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Browns played like three or four meetingful. Now 790 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,959 Speaker 2: this year, the Ravens aren't playing. Probably aren't gonna play 791 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 2: many more meaningful games. This year. You get seventeen if 792 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 2: you're lucky. I understand why we're so hyperbolic, why we 793 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 2: overreact everything so much. They were not going to win 794 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 2: a super Bowl or win playoff games playing the way 795 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: they did in September. But I don't expect them. They 796 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: know that, they know that, and I don't expect them 797 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 2: to play the way in September they do on Thanksgiving. 798 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 2: I don't expect them to play in January the way 799 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 2: they do on Thanksgiving. But we're starting to see some 800 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 2: of those indicators, some of those numbers, some of those 801 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 2: trends move in the right direction. 802 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, just in the average ups of target going up, 803 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: slash time to throw, he bought more time. I mean, 804 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 3: like Lamar is always the league because he'll have two 805 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 3: or three plays a game where it's like six seconds, 806 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 3: you know, like just totally screws up the whole thing. 807 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 3: Of course the Steers have never do. 808 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 2: That, but Hoolmes running around for nine seconds before dumping 809 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 2: one off to. 810 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 3: Like I bet Rogers had several over three, you know, 811 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 3: because there was times he was moving around by time 812 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 3: avoiding yeah, exactly exactly, or just rolling out and you know, 813 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 3: comfortable in space and not having to get it out. 814 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 3: So I think that's part of it. One thing we 815 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 3: talked about a lot last week, you know, coming off 816 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 3: that Viking game was well this Anderson Washington, especially the 817 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 3: Anderson thing is that here to stay Well, maybe you 818 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 3: throw off it against a team that is such a 819 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 3: good run defense. Put that guy on Garrett and Max protect. 820 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 3: You know, Anderson can also pass protect. He's an offensive lineman. 821 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 3: I think we saw some of that, and what I 822 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 3: think is obvious and it was hard to back up, 823 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 3: but it was just something we've suspected from the start 824 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 3: is if you play Rogers is going to take what 825 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 3: the defense gives them. You know, like this is a 826 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 3: predominantly single high safety big box. Don't want to be 827 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 3: in Nickel and Dime Brown's defense a lot. So if 828 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 3: I if I got Metcalf against the corner, who's a 829 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 3: good player that they just traded for two days ago, 830 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,439 Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a shot there. I'm going up top 831 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 3: against single high. If you're gonna give me a lot 832 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 3: of too high, I'm gonna thinking Dunky to death. You know, 833 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 3: like there's no perfect defense, and he knows that better 834 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 3: than all of us, you know. 835 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 2: Exactly right. Uh, if you if you want him to 836 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 2: take the middle of the field, he'll take the middle 837 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 2: of the field. You want him to take deep shots, 838 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 2: he'll take deep shots. If you got to and over, 839 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: you gotta paper cut him to death. Absolutely, And when 840 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 2: you could open the game the way that they opened 841 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 2: the game, I think that makes that so much more 842 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 2: realistic as well too. 843 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 3: I was played a little bit of lead, you know, yeah, 844 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 3: or not from behind. 845 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 2: Not from behind, and just you know that corn beef package. 846 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 2: It was all run, run, run, run run. We're gonna 847 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 2: we're gonna mash you in Dublin against the Vikings. 848 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,959 Speaker 3: But the Vikings want to be a nickel when. 849 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 2: And in the first series against Cleveland, first play from scrimmage, 850 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 2: it's like here they come with that big corn beef again, 851 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 2: woo over your head for thirty six yards. Now the 852 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 2: rest of the game, the remaining fifty nine and a 853 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,760 Speaker 2: half minutes, every time they come out in that corn beef, 854 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 2: you're like, I gotta be careful because they might throw, 855 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 2: they might slip Darnell out and whoop right over our head. 856 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,919 Speaker 2: Like that's where you start to be able to play 857 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,439 Speaker 2: that matchup card that we've been talking about for months 858 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 2: as well too. 859 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, we opened the show talking about 860 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 3: how the offense had very few negative plays, and to me, 861 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 3: that's such a rogers thing. And again that's cutting the 862 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 3: coaching staff short. I mean, it's not fair to blame 863 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator with things go wrong, but just give 864 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 3: the quarterback all the credit when things go right or whatever, 865 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 3: you know. But I think that's a huge part of 866 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 3: it is I'm always going to get you at the 867 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage in the best play for this look 868 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 3: with the people I have on the field with me 869 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 3: with three seconds left on the play clock or ever. 870 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 3: You know, they don't let you pause and go to 871 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 3: the bathroom and think about it and get a beer, 872 00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, you got to think about the 873 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 3: stuff on the fly. And that doesn't mean your left 874 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 3: guard doesn't get whipped right off the bat and you 875 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 3: get sacked, or you fumble the snap or the drop 876 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 3: pass or a bad things, you're still gonna happen, a 877 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 3: holding call, blah blah blah blah blah. But if I 878 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 3: can consistently play the right cards in poker to give 879 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 3: myself the best chance to beat my opponent, he's always 880 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 3: going to get you there for that, you know. 881 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. He's going to 882 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 2: play the odds. 883 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, success well to hold him. 884 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 2: He's gonna play the odds every time, whether it's going 885 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 2: to be successful or not. 886 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 3: Right again, execution errors right now, thing. 887 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 2: It's perfect, But more often than not, he's going to 888 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 2: have you in the right position. 889 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 3: Like we said, I mean, and the guys on defense 890 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 3: are on scholarship too, you know, I mean, like they're 891 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 3: not bad. 892 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 2: They can make him a shorts guy you know, is 893 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 2: known for that type of thing. Uh good first hour 894 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 2: in the books here kind of recapping everything that happened 895 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 2: yesterday at Akroscher Stadium in that twenty three to nine 896 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 2: victory over Cleveland. The guy who called the victory over 897 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 2: the Browns will join us on the other side. Rob King, 898 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 2: the king in the castle, will get his thoughts on 899 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 2: the win in the short week. Here for the Pittsburgh Steelers, 900 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,760 Speaker 2: we'll do all that in our number two West Huler 901 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. It's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on 902 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network.