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Speaker 1: Radio Radio Radio Commies, a myth and Bullshit, a radio

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Speaker 1: phonic novella. Look Radio hosted by Mala La Loca Mortis.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to season six of Local Radio's next door. Look

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Speaker 1: At Radio is a radio phonic novella, which is just

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Speaker 1: a very extra way of saying a podcast. I'm Viosa

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Speaker 1: and I'm Mala. Welcome back to look At Radio. Look Is. Today,

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Speaker 1: we will be in conversation with the one and only

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Speaker 1: Gali Fajaro Anstein. She is the nationally best selling author

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Speaker 1: of her latest novel, which we will be discussing today,

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Speaker 1: Woman of Light, and the widely acclaimed short story collection

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Speaker 1: Sabrina and Gordina. You might remember her from a past

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Speaker 1: episode of look at Our Radio, so I'm going to

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Speaker 1: link that in the show notes. Tune into that first

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Speaker 1: if you haven't already. It's really going to help round

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Speaker 1: out the conversation for today's episode. We're super excited to

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Speaker 1: welcome her back. We will also be reading Woman of

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Speaker 1: Light for look us bo Libro's book club by look

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Speaker 1: at the Our Productions. You can join us on Patreon

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Speaker 1: dot com by subscribing becoming a member at Patreon dot

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Speaker 1: com slash look at Dash Productions and you can join

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Speaker 1: in on the conversation there read along with us. Now

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Speaker 1: let's get into today's interview of it. And Hi, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for having me. So nice to be

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Speaker 1: here with both of you. It has been years since

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Speaker 1: at our radio. I remember it like it was yesterday,

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Speaker 1: pre pandemic. We were still recording at EsPAS nine. You

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Speaker 1: were visiting boil Heights because your mad had invited you

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Speaker 1: out to do a reading of your first book, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Sabrina and Corina, And now it's you have your first

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Speaker 1: novel out, so we're to get into the journey from

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Speaker 1: then until now. Thank you so much for stopping by

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Speaker 1: once again. Oh my gosh, thank you for having me

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Speaker 1: that that visit to boil Heights, to the studio with

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Speaker 1: you both in Espasio. That was such a highlight of

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Speaker 1: So let's get into just a general like how are you.

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Speaker 1: a novel coming out, and it appears to me that

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Speaker 1: I think that's because of what happened with Sabrina and

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Speaker 1: little bit more grounded because it's like if I opened

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Speaker 1: book just literally like circulating online like constantly, and that's

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Speaker 1: first time. Now, like you have a dedicated following of readers.

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Speaker 1: to two folks write you a love letter, a love

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Speaker 1: letter to Bali Fajado Anstein. So you have like a

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Speaker 1: You know, it's so important to support the people and

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Speaker 1: to to try to preserve themselves, right, the self preservation

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Speaker 1: of all of it, of themselves, of the legacy um.

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Speaker 1: And also a te tim into you being here with us.

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Speaker 1: So what are your hopes for this book? For a

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Speaker 1: woman of life? I mean, the biggest hope is is

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Speaker 1: that people are entertained, Like I want people to be

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Speaker 1: wrapped up in a big story and swept away. And

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Speaker 1: then I want them to learn. I want them to

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Speaker 1: pay attention to these characters, their hearts and their minds,

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Speaker 1: but also to the historical context of what's happening here.

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Speaker 1: Um my whole life, I felt like Chicanos from Denver,

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Speaker 1: that our families had come from what is now southern

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Speaker 1: especially a family like mine that's so multi ethnic, that's

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Speaker 1: so blended. Um My great grandfather, Alfonso, he came from

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Speaker 1: the Philippines. He makes a cameo in this novel. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's Greek characters in this novel. It's just it's filled

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Speaker 1: with sort of a Denver that used to exist that's

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Speaker 1: be aware of that feeling of vibrancy and love. A

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Speaker 1: friend of mine was telling me, he's like, you have

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Speaker 1: saying that there's there's these old Greek families and there's

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Speaker 1: like where I grew up in Denver, and I think

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Speaker 1: in this way maybe Woman of Light will connect communities

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Speaker 1: one of my big hopes. I sent it to my

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Speaker 1: translator in Japan, Umiko Toke, and she has not convinced

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Speaker 1: her publisher to take it yet, but they're gonna see

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Speaker 1: how it does. So fingers crossed it will be in Japanese.

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Speaker 1: But she was so blown away and she said, this

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Speaker 1: multi lingual city. I've never seen anything like this in

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Speaker 1: American books. And that's what I want. I want people's

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Speaker 1: perception of our history to change and it to be

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Speaker 1: a little bit closer to the reality of what it was.

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Speaker 1: From my aunt, sisters and count other families, chills, amazing, Wow.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Gali for joining us again. How

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Speaker 1: can folks support you and support your book, your body

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Speaker 1: of work. Please let them know. Well, the number one

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Speaker 1: thing you can do is you can buy a copy

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Speaker 1: of Woman of Life, preferably from a local independent bookstore.

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Speaker 1: And then once you get Woman of Life, if you

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Speaker 1: have not read Sabrina and Karina, I suggest going back

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Speaker 1: and getting that book too. And then my other big

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Speaker 1: ask is. Please tell other people because that is the

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Speaker 1: number one way books get out there is through word

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Speaker 1: of mouth, and follow me online. I'm on Instagram and Twitter,

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Speaker 1: mostly Instagram at Kali Maja and Collie is serving face

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Speaker 1: and looks and all kinds of things on Instagram, So

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Speaker 1: give her the follow It's worth it, I promise, yes, face, looks, books,

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Speaker 1: all of it ums and we are also really my

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Speaker 1: bio yes please true les. We are also reading Women

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Speaker 1: of Light with our book club Locas Bolibros, so if

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Speaker 1: you want to join us in the discussion, you can

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Speaker 1: join Loca. So thank you so much Gali for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. It was so

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Speaker 1: lovely to see you both again. Thank you Loka Motus

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Speaker 1: for tuning in, and thank you once again to the

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Speaker 1: brilliant Gali fa harlo Anstein for joining us. If you

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Speaker 1: want to tune into her past episode on local radio,

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Speaker 1: please do so, and also tune into all the previous gapulos.

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Speaker 1: You have so much to catch up on. If you're

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Speaker 1: a new listener, if you're an o G listener, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again. Bes