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Speaker 1: at Chalk dot Com Sunday Hay with Clay and Bucks.

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Speaker 2: Some sad news. Robert Devall.

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Speaker 3: Ninety five years old, legendary actor, Godfather Apocalypse, Now to

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Speaker 3: Kill a Mockingbird. I loved him in one of the

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Speaker 3: great Westerns of all time, Loansome Dove. For those of

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Speaker 3: you out there who remember the mini series based on

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Speaker 3: the Larry McMurtry Pulitzer Prize winning book, he was McCall Gus,

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Speaker 3: He was Gus and Call was played by Tommy Lee Jones.

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Speaker 2: One of the great westerns. I think it was a

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Speaker 2: mini series on.

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Speaker 3: Television, probably the greatest mini series of all time. Incredible

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Speaker 3: thousand page book about a cattle drive from Texas to

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Speaker 3: Monte But Robert Deaval and a lot of you obviously

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Speaker 3: are gonna remember him from Godfather. But Robert Deval dead

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Speaker 3: at the age of ninety five. That has just come

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Speaker 3: down in the past couple of minutes. You have a

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Speaker 3: favorite Robert Deval character.

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Speaker 1: I mean the con consoliary and the Godfather is I

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Speaker 1: think the that's just you can't be more iconic in

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Speaker 1: a non leading role than that. I think I think

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Speaker 1: that was really he was really good, sir. I'm German Irish,

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Speaker 1: you know. I remember the whole memory goes, he goes

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Speaker 1: the guy he wants to roll, and he's like and

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Speaker 1: if he tries any rough stuff, I ain't a boy scout.

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Speaker 4: Remember that whole thing. Then the horse's head in his bed.

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Speaker 1: Godfather one is an incredible holds up and an incredible

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Speaker 1: A lot of old movies people don't like to hear this.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of indicating not acting, they're too slow whatever.

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Speaker 1: Godfather one is incredible still to this day, great movie.

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Speaker 3: I think you can make an argument Godfather Too is

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Speaker 3: better than Godfather One, which is one of the rare

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Speaker 3: of all time sequels that you can even make an

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Speaker 3: argument is better than the original.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people say that, I'm in the camp

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Speaker 1: that the original, the first one, is still the best one.

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Speaker 1: The second one is obviously a phenomenal movie too. I

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Speaker 1: like the first one better just as a movie. I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it more. A lot of people of our parents' generation,

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Speaker 1: I think, would say that the Godfather is there. They

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Speaker 1: think the best movie of all time. There's definitely a

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Speaker 1: fair enough If you look on like like top one

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Speaker 1: hundred all time movie lists, Godfather is routinely one, and

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Speaker 1: two are routinely top ten, top five.

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Speaker 2: Truly phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I was talking about The Godfather this weekend

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Speaker 3: with my kids who haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 2: I was telling them I need to get it.

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Speaker 3: On Sunday Sizzle with Clay and Buck. We have our

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Speaker 3: talented team has mixed and matched AOC with and this

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Speaker 3: is great two thousand and seven Miss South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Do we know Buck?

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Speaker 3: What happened to two thousand seven Miss South Carolina. I

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Speaker 3: may have to grock it to find out where she

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Speaker 3: is now. But for those of you who have forgotten,

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Speaker 3: this was viral Buck in the earliest days of social media, like.

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Speaker 4: Is this in rock?

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Speaker 3: Like such as oh yes, oh yeah, we have now

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Speaker 3: mixed AOC and I would encourage producer Greg to do

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Speaker 3: a video version of this and share it on social

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Speaker 3: media because I think it will do well. Here is

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Speaker 3: Miss South Carolina asked about Iraq and here is now

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Speaker 3: a mix AOC asked about what should happen with Taiwan

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Speaker 3: and China enjoy with Some polls have.

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Speaker 5: Shown a fifth of Americans can't locate the US on

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Speaker 5: a world map. Why do you think this is? I

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Speaker 5: personally believe that US Americans are unable to do so

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Speaker 5: because some people out there in our nation don't.

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Speaker 6: Have that, you know. I think that this is such

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Speaker 6: a you know, I think that.

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Speaker 5: And I believe that our education like such as a

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Speaker 5: South Africa and Iraq everywhere like such as and this

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Speaker 6: This is of course a very long standing policy of

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Speaker 6: the United States. I believe that.

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Speaker 5: They should our education over here in the US should

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Speaker 5: help the US, or should help South Africa, it should

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Speaker 5: help direct in the Asian countries, so we will be

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Speaker 6: And I think what we are hoping for is that

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Speaker 6: that point, and we want to make sure that we

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Speaker 6: are moving in all of our economic research in our

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Speaker 6: global positions to avoid any such confrontation. And for that

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Speaker 6: question to even arise, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: That is very well done. That is very well done.

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Speaker 3: Her name, by the way, buck Caitlin Upton. She was

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Speaker 3: miss teen USA, and she went on to Appalachian State

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Speaker 3: University go APSU, and she is now married with two kids.

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Speaker 3: Oh sorry, she got divorced. Well, anyway, that is that

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Speaker 3: is where she is now gone. Really she married a

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Speaker 3: personal trainer. They got divorced a couple of years later.

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Speaker 3: So I'm sorry. Maybe Caitlyn's listening right now.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe she went for the abs over the character.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: That's a mistake, ladies, it's a mistake. Take it from

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Speaker 1: a guy with more character than abs. Maybe maybe she

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's the lesson we should take here, because AOC

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Speaker 3: has been in Congress eight years and sounds like Miss

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Speaker 3: South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: From twenty two thousand and seven Sunday Drop with Clay

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Speaker 2: and Buck.

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Speaker 3: Reacting to AOC saying whiteness is imaginary. A fun take

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Speaker 3: from Pete.

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Speaker 2: If witness is imaginary, does that mean white privilege isn't

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Speaker 3: It's a very legit question. White privilege could not exist

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Speaker 3: if whiteness is imaginary. A good question that would have

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Speaker 3: followed up for AOC to explain exactly what that would mean.

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Speaker 3: Let's have some more fun. Sean in Pennsylvania News Radio

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Speaker 3: five seventy WKBN has this to say, you.

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Speaker 5: Ought to do the Amish Man beard, where you have

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Speaker 5: the beard and you shaved.

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Speaker 2: The mustache, the Amish beard. Buck.

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Speaker 3: Remember who's the most famous person you can think of

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Speaker 3: with the Amish beard in recent history. I've got an answer.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious if you come up with the same one

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Speaker 3: I got.

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Speaker 4: I got nothing, Buddy, I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: Moses Shrewd on the office. He has got the old

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Speaker 3: school Amish beard. Just the beard, no action. Craig producer says,

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Speaker 3: see Everett kop I haven't seen that name in a

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Speaker 3: very long time. He had the Amish beard ed in Titusville, Florida, WFLA.

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Speaker 1: If I had a mustache like Clay, I would be

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Speaker 1: embarrassed to even call out a mustache. WHOA, Hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, mustache team. You need to encourage you guys

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Speaker 1: need more in your ranks. I'm just gonna be honest

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Speaker 1: with you right now, right now, the mustache unless.

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Speaker 4: You're a pilot.

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Speaker 1: Pilots they get special mustache, you know, dispensation. But for

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Speaker 1: the rest of you out there, the mustache is almost

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Speaker 1: like a curiosity right now. It's like, whoa, you've got

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Speaker 1: a mustache. Not a lot of mustachio gentlemen walking around.

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Speaker 3: This one stuns me. Buck, we can have some fun

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Speaker 3: reacting to this. Richard in Pueblo, Colorado. I gotta be

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Speaker 3: honest with you. I never expected this to set anyone off.

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Speaker 7: D you too if you didn't oh promote the disgusting

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Speaker 7: and evil and violent movies like the Godfather series. These

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Speaker 7: people were animals, man, and that you promote them pretty

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Speaker 1: Now, can I just say, we're talking about a movie

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Speaker 1: that's like one of the most Oscar winning movies of

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Speaker 1: all time, so I don't know about us promoting them.

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Speaker 1: I will say that I actually there's a little the

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Speaker 1: gentleman needs to take a walk outside, touchgrass.

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Speaker 4: It's okay. But I will say.

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Speaker 1: One one thing here, Clay. The depiction of the mafia,

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Speaker 1: the American mob, the cousin Ustra as like honorable men

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Speaker 1: who really know they actually like threaten small business owners

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Speaker 1: and like hurt people that are defenseless and take their

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Speaker 2: Actually, that's that's movies can be about bad people and

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Speaker 2: be really entertaining. I would just toss out.

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Speaker 4: There, yeah, like Scarface is a good movie.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying anyone should be like Tony Montana, but

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Speaker 1: anyway show we have, we have a bunch of things

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Speaker 1: Mafia thing. I will say that was always the problem.

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Speaker 1: We had a listener get very mad that we're promoting

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Speaker 1: them like the Mafia, which I don't think that's what

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Speaker 1: we're doing. The Godfather is kind of a universally celebrated film.

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Speaker 1: There are plenty of movies, you know, I could say

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Speaker 2: That we could get.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, the reason we were talking about

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Speaker 3: The Godfather is this is a sad story. Robert Devall

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Speaker 3: all the movies that he had been in that were iconic,

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Speaker 3: and The Godfather is one of those roles. I said,

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Speaker 3: Lonesome Dove, which is one of the great westerns of

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Speaker 4: I didn't see that one coming.

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Speaker 1: But I will say I think in general that the

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Speaker 1: Italian mafia in America has gotten far more generous pop

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Speaker 1: had an uncle in law enforcement who worked against the

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Speaker 1: I mean, there may be a little bit of that,

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Speaker 4: Like that's actually what they were doing.

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Speaker 3: So is it fair to say, I think this is

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Speaker 3: probably accurate that whatever criminal element you were in, it

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Speaker 3: has been better received. Like there aren't that many in

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Speaker 3: the last twenty years, I would say, good guy bad

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: They have flipped the script on good guys, right, Like

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Speaker 3: who is the last real good guy that was popular

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Speaker 2: And he didn't have a dark side?

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Speaker 3: I was why the reason I was actually thinking about

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Speaker 3: this because Laura last night, as we got ready for bed,

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Speaker 3: was watching Little House on the Prairie. Whatever you think

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Speaker 3: about Little House on the Prairie, it was a top

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Speaker 3: show for eight or nine years. And all we talked

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Speaker 3: about this before, All of the father figures are just

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Speaker 3: really good, Like Michael Landon is just a really pause

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Speaker 1: Well, this is now You're getting into the broad broader

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Speaker 1: theme of I think in general, Hollywood has and the

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Speaker 1: creative industries in this country in general have just have

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Speaker 1: pushed a lot of degeneracy and a lot of.

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Speaker 4: You know, we grew up and there.

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Speaker 1: Would be shows And now I'm giving up the game

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Speaker 1: here because Clay and I actually watched the same shows

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Speaker 2: I want to watch The Shape of Water. This one

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Speaker 4: It's not even a good movie. And and it has

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is bizarre, degeneracy pure. And people get

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Speaker 3: if you're out there Full House, Fresh Prints, Family Matters,

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Speaker 3: Growing Pains, Cosby Show, Who's the Boss, if you grew

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Speaker 3: up in the eighties or the nineties, you have very

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Speaker 3: positive association with that.

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Speaker 2: There is a.

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Speaker 3: Huge demand I think for dads and moms who live

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Speaker 3: in a house and like each other, sometimes argue, and

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Speaker 3: or the family ties like all of these shows. Back

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Speaker 3: in the day, they were so good and so popular.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that that demand has vanished. I really don't.

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Speaker 3: I think that there is an ample opportunity to satisfy

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Speaker 3: a market that has not been served in a long

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't just AOC who had a bit of

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Speaker 1: a moment at the Munich Security Conference, Gretchen Whitmer, who

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Speaker 1: I think no about as much about national security as

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Speaker 1: I do about SEC football defensive coordinators. I would just

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Speaker 1: say SEC football, Wow, really, it's a Monday, We're going

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Speaker 1: right for it.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you have to go specifically to the

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Speaker 2: coaching staff. I think SEC football probably gets.

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Speaker 1: You know, you think you know a guy and then

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Speaker 1: out of nowhere kicking the kicking the shins.

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Speaker 4: All right, yeah, fine SEC football, fair point. Now. Now,

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Speaker 4: Gretchen Whitmer is over there, and we.

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Speaker 1: All we all know why she's there, right, She's you

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Speaker 1: gotta think I actually think she may be in the best.

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Speaker 1: It's funny, actually, isn't it, because these are two women.

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Speaker 1: If you were asking me and I guess we can

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Speaker 1: do this now bet on the twenty eight Democrat VP

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Speaker 1: it these two women would be the top of my

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Speaker 1: list and maybe even the number one number two slot.

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Speaker 1: You need a woman for the ticket. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can have a woman on top of the ticket

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Speaker 1: because they've tried that a few times and they've lost.

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Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna get away from that. I

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Speaker 1: think it probably is going to be Gavin Newsom. Could

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Speaker 1: be wrong on that, but no matter who it is

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Speaker 1: at the top, unless it's one of these two.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: I think Gretchen Whitmer's very likely as a Democrat.

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Speaker 4: VP, and actually this would be interesting.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think right now is AOC If you

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Speaker 1: had to place a bet AOC or Whitmer for VP,

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Speaker 1: forget about who the president is VP, Which one do

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Speaker 1: you think has the better shot? I have to say

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Speaker 1: realistically it's Whitmer. I agree for me because Michigan is

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Speaker 1: must win. There's no world in which Democrats win in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight without winning Michigan.

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Speaker 2: They have to.

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Speaker 3: I mean they look, they have to win Michigan, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 3: and Pennsylvania probably all three, but they cannot win without.

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Speaker 3: I think they should have picked Shapiro or Witmer in

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Speaker 3: twenty eight if Kamala weren't a moron, if we were

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Speaker 3: going to sell our souls and try to help the

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Speaker 3: bad guys win, and they hired me, and they said

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Speaker 3: who should I would say the same play feel the

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Speaker 3: same way.

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Speaker 4: Michigan.

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Speaker 1: You gotta win mission again and more than ever probably

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Speaker 1: for the Democrats going forward. They got to win Michigan,

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Speaker 1: and Gretchen Whitmer I think could help deliver that for them,

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Speaker 1: that all that all is is going toward this though,

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Speaker 1: which is she's over there because she has to create

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Speaker 1: this perception that she's more than a state governor that

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Speaker 1: she could be on the national stage.

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Speaker 4: And here's how that went for her.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to governor Governor Whitmer weigh in on national

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Speaker 1: security abroad Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: What does victory look like.

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Speaker 4: I'd love to hear your answer.

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Speaker 8: It is I the two, the two that I am

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Speaker 8: on the panel with, are much more steeped in foreign

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Speaker 8: policy than a than a governor is. But you know,

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Speaker 8: I do think that Ukraine's independence, keeping their their land

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Speaker 8: mass and having the support of of all the allies,

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Speaker 8: I think is is the goal from my vantage point.

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Speaker 8: Go ahead, Ambassador better Chap.

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Speaker 4: Now can I say something?

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Speaker 1: She at least knows that she knows nothing and was

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Speaker 1: willing to kind of so much less. The AOC thing

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Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm really smart. I'm really smart. I

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Speaker 1: don't know anything, but I'm smart, and everyone's like, no,

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Speaker 1: You're not.

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Speaker 4: This one.

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Speaker 1: At least she's willing to be like, I know nothing,

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Speaker 1: but I will say this, Clay, she should know more

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Speaker 1: than this. You work in politics. You should have more

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Speaker 1: to say than that. And you want to be president.

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Speaker 3: You traveled to Munich for a foreign policy conference. Yes,

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Speaker 3: like she got hit on meet the press and the

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Speaker 3: first question was, hey, how do we get Grand Rapids

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Speaker 3: booming again? Just picking a random Michigan region right an

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Speaker 3: area which the governor should know.

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Speaker 2: And then the next question was where exactly.

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Speaker 3: Should the line be drawn when it comes to Ukraine

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Speaker 3: and Russia trying to develop a peace accord. When you

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Speaker 3: and she's sitting doing an interview in Lancing, when you

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Speaker 3: travel to a foreign policy conference, it doesn't seem ridiculous

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Speaker 3: to me that you could do a bare minimum of

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Speaker 3: foreign policy research, because otherwise you could just say, Hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm so busy being governor right now, I don't have

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Speaker 3: time to travel to Europe and sit on a foreign

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Speaker 3: policy panel. And also at these again, I come back

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Speaker 3: to there are some conflicts which are not very well

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Speaker 3: known or very well covered, and that could be a

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Speaker 3: complicated question to answer. Answering a question as an American

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Speaker 3: politician in twenty twenty six about Ukraine in Russia, as

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Speaker 3: Whitmer was asked, and about Taiwan and China as AOC

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Speaker 3: was asked, probably Buck, if I were doing prep. Let's

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Speaker 3: pretend that you and I were sitting around and we

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Speaker 3: were thinking, hey, what might you get answered in munich

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Speaker 3: at a foreign policy Conference. As a American, I would

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Speaker 3: think those are number one and number two most likely

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Speaker 3: questions about NATO, maybe about the UN, you know, like

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Speaker 3: I can think of other three and four, but I

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Speaker 3: would argue that's one and two most likely to be asked.

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Speaker 1: This isn't like, hey, weigh in on the Rohingia crisis

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Speaker 1: and the border dispute between Bangladesh and Bangladesh and mean

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Speaker 1: Mayan mar No.

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Speaker 4: This is like, that's really vague.

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Speaker 1: Very few people even know about that as a thing

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Speaker 1: unless you work in international diplomacy or something.

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Speaker 4: Although it is a real thing. It's pretty nasty.

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Speaker 1: Point is what you said, which is this is the

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Speaker 1: absolute top of the list, Like, Okay, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna lean into this. So when I went

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Speaker 1: into the football game, the big one that I didn't

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Speaker 1: even know if I'm allowed to say what it's called

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Speaker 1: on radio because there's all these rules. But I think

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Speaker 1: I can. I can say the super Bowl. I think

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Speaker 1: I can mention it, right, So they're trying.

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Speaker 3: They always try to protect the use of the phrase

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Speaker 3: super Bowl, which means everybody's like when you watch the

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Speaker 3: big game, whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's a super Bowl, it's a there's a First Amendment

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Speaker 1: right that the NFL should step off anyway, because you

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Speaker 1: can refer to things when you're talking about things that

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Speaker 1: are going on in the world without their say. So

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Speaker 1: that's pretty it's pretty annoying that they have that weird policy,

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Speaker 1: And the OSCARS does kind of the same thing too,

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Speaker 1: like how dare you?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: It's like, but usually that's with video point being Clay,

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Speaker 1: you gave me some crib notes so that I could

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Speaker 1: go in there with all the other dads and moms

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Speaker 1: with their kids. It was like a child friendly super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So it was basically just like romper room. It was

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Speaker 1: like people just on tricycles ramming each other.

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Speaker 2: Body out there for people we forgot.

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Speaker 3: I gave you like two points that you could make

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Speaker 3: to seem like you were sophisticated, and then you just

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Speaker 3: withdraw and you've demonstrated enough conversant knowledge on football.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just saying I deployed those points and it

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Speaker 1: was like I was welcome in the football tribe for

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Speaker 1: the day. It was like, yeah, that's right, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's people thought because they didn't know, they don't know

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Speaker 1: who I am. These are like friends of friends mostly.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't my Super Bowl party. So I see them

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Speaker 1: like normal. With foreign policy, it's the same thing. You

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Speaker 1: get prepped by your team. You know what the main

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Speaker 1: things are you're gonna say. You say those things, and

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Speaker 1: everyone feels AOC and Whitmer couldn't that.

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Speaker 4: They couldn't even pretend to know who the qbs are.

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Speaker 3: Clay, Yeah, and I would also point out Whittmer to

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Speaker 3: your point, at least a laugh to off her ignorance.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people will give you a pass

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Speaker 3: if you just say, hey, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 3: who know way more about that than I do. AOC's

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Speaker 3: in Congress. There are constant hearings about what should happen

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Speaker 3: if Taiwan is invaded by China. This is not I mean,

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Speaker 3: she is in the federal government, which would be called

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Speaker 3: upon to respond. Again, I gave you an answer, which

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Speaker 3: is just, hey, I'm a congresswoman right now. I don't

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Speaker 3: dictate foreign policy. I think it's important to maintain our

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Speaker 3: policy of strategic ambiguity. Maybe somewhere down the line, if

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting behind the resolute desk and we get president AOC,

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Speaker 3: then I will have to make a determination on that.

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Speaker 2: As a factual matter.

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Speaker 3: I hope not, because I hope that China never invades

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Speaker 3: Taiwan and we don't have to deal with the international

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Speaker 3: implications of that incident.

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Speaker 2: Boom, that's an answer, Buck, I didn't need to get prepped.

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Speaker 2: I'm not in Munich.

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Speaker 3: But if you go to a foreign policy event, you

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Speaker 3: or I, even if we were super busy with our

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Speaker 3: other jobs, could get briefed for one hour on the

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Speaker 3: ten biggest global flashpoints in America and be able to

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Speaker 3: handle any question on those incidents. It's just indicative of

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Speaker 3: not doing a bare minimum of homework and also not

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Speaker 3: being very It makes me think that all they do,

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Speaker 3: and I think there is a great deal of this

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Speaker 3: is just memorize answers, and I think that's going to

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Speaker 3: become increasingly exposed in the modern era when all that

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Speaker 3: matters is authenticity. We were just talking about this off air.

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Speaker 3: Trump creates every single week three stories that ten years

642
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Speaker 3: ago would have destroyed any other politician.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Every single week he says three things and everybody loses

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Speaker 3: their mind, and they last about twenty four hours because

646
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Speaker 3: people unders that Trump is a bull in a China shop,

647
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Speaker 3: and they have come to accept the good with the

648
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Speaker 3: bad for better or worse right. And the funny part

649
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Speaker 3: about this is obviously the people with the worst Trump

650
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Speaker 3: derangement syndrome still believe, oh, this time, this time, we

651
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Speaker 3: got him. He's definitely done the unbelievable. At every time,

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Speaker 3: it's like Lucy with the football. They come running up there,

653
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Speaker 3: Charlie Brown, football gets moved around, they fall on their

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Speaker 3: back and they're staring up at the sky, and Trump

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Speaker 3: just gets more powerful. It's because as long as you

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Speaker 3: fulfill the expectations that you have set, most people are

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Speaker 3: willing to accept what you are. And I just look

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Speaker 3: at AOC and Whitmer and I say they're supposed to

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Speaker 3: be the adults in the room. These were not adults

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Speaker 3: in the room conversations. And if you think you're going

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Speaker 3: to be VP, I think AOC is going to run

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Speaker 3: for president. I think Gretchen Whitmer is going to run

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Speaker 3: for president. I think these guys are going to get

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Speaker 3: exposed because they haven't done the bare minimum of homework. Now,

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Speaker 3: the scary thing, Buck is, you can maybe argue none

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Speaker 3: of this matters now and I are talking about it,

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Speaker 3: But if you like AOC or you're a Democrat, you

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Speaker 3: just frankly, don't care about the fact that they don't

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Speaker 3: even have functional abilities to answer a question. Also, AOC

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Speaker 3: screwed up the equator with Venezuela, which I'm.

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Speaker 2: More, did you see this?

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I know I didn't see this.

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Speaker 2: We can grab the audio of that.

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Speaker 3: She said, you can't just go to countries that are

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Speaker 3: below the equator and do whatever you want to them.

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Speaker 3: Venezuela is above the equator. Now, I actually am willing

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Speaker 3: to give a little bit more of a pass on that,

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Speaker 3: but it goes into the identity politics thing in her mind.

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Speaker 3: Right if she had just said Latin America like that

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Speaker 3: is the right answer, but she decided to try to

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Speaker 3: claim that she knew where the equator was and didn't

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Speaker 3: understand that she.

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Speaker 1: She leaned into sixth grade social studies and came up

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Speaker 1: came up snake eyes on that one.

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Speaker 4: That's that's too bad.

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Speaker 1: I think that, unfortunately, one of the byproducts of social

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Speaker 1: media as increasingly a dominant form of communication and all

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Speaker 1: the different platforms together, is that politicians now are increasingly

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Speaker 1: they're influencers, I mean their social media. They've always been influencers,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying they're social media influencers, they're characters. They

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Speaker 1: are entities online more than anything else, and so a

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Speaker 1: lot of these things just come into do you like

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Speaker 1: the way someone looks, do you like the way they sound?

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Speaker 1: Do you like their general style and the kinds of

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Speaker 1: things that they say? If they're an abject moron with

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Speaker 1: a history of terrible decision making, and I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That a lot of people really care. I think that

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Speaker 4: that's increasingly what we're heading towards. You know, it used

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Speaker 4: to it didn't.

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Speaker 1: It used to be like they would have, you know,

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Speaker 1: go back to like I don't know, the eighteen eighties

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Speaker 1: or something.

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Speaker 4: People would do that.

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Speaker 1: The politician would do the train stop tour and you

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Speaker 1: go to some places and give some speeches. But you really,

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Speaker 1: you know, you read the speech in the newspaper, and

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Speaker 1: you read what the party platform was, and you kind

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Speaker 1: of just went from there.

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Speaker 4: Now it's like, I like that guy, he seems nice.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna vote.

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Speaker 2: Here's here's a good question for you.

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Speaker 3: What percentage of this audience is active on social media?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I think if you include Facebook, eighty eighty to ninety percent,

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Speaker 1: So you think that high with with with with Facebook, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think we probably have more Facebook people than anything

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Speaker 1: else by far. I think Twitter is less than five percent,

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Speaker 1: or x is less than five percent. I think TikTok

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Speaker 1: is less than one percent, and uh, what else am

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Speaker 1: I saying? Instagram is probably like thirty forty percent? I

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Speaker 1: would say of our of our people are on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: So my point on this is our audience is gonna

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Speaker 3: hear these aoc answers. Is anybody who watches MSNBC going

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Speaker 3: to ever hear these aoc answers? Is anybody who watches

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Speaker 3: CNN ever gonna hear these aoc answers? Are they gonna

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Speaker 3: penetrate into I'm not on Facebook personally, but I understand

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Speaker 3: that they've kind of pivoted Facebook more back towards hey,

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Speaker 3: here's the kid, grandkid photos and less politics.

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Speaker 2: I mean, haven't.

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Speaker 1: I think those channels play view it as they view

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Speaker 1: it as a betrayal. Actually, if you show your home

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Speaker 1: team looking dumb, they get mad at you. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter that it's news. It doesn't matter that the other

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Speaker 1: sides talking about it. I think if you're an ms

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Speaker 1: NOW viewer, I love saying it because they had to

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Speaker 1: change the channel because the brand is such trash if

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Speaker 1: you're a CNN viewer, which they're going to start. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're just going to be selling Swarovsky crystals on that

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Speaker 1: thing all day.

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Speaker 4: Just give it time.

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Speaker 1: If you look at what their expectations are with the audience,

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Speaker 1: truth that is bothersome to their audience results in anger

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Speaker 1: at the host and ratings going down, no question.

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Speaker 3: I by the way, we I know you make fun

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Speaker 3: of how much I care about this. CNN is going

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Speaker 3: to be either independent or it's going to be purchased

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Speaker 3: by Paramount. And there's now talk that all of the

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers universe, which is HBO, which is CNN, all

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Speaker 3: these different things may be swiveling back towards Paramount buying them,

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Speaker 3: which is significant because Larry and David Ellison, who are

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Speaker 3: prominent in the Paramount world, are not that I almost cursed,

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Speaker 3: are not bonkers, right, They're not crazy, They're not insane.

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Speaker 3: And I do wonder what CNN might look like if

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Speaker 3: they had owners who were just normal. And so that's

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Speaker 3: going to be maybe decided in the next six months

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Speaker 3: or so, even as CNN has lost two thirds of

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Speaker 3: his audience in the last several years. But that's one

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Speaker 3: to kind of put a pin in and think about

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Speaker 3: where things might be headed there.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever come across a really serious, intense bird

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Speaker 1: watcher who can be like, oh, that's a double crested cormorant,

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Speaker 1: or that's like a ruby throated warblower or something.

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Speaker 3: I know that bird people are crazy in terms of

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Speaker 3: their interest in bird feeders and everything else.

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Speaker 2: I never know an actual diet.

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Speaker 1: Because because my dad was one for a while, but

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Speaker 1: I've come across some that are truly like next level

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Speaker 1: and how detailed. You're like a bird watcher of corporate

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Speaker 1: media mergers and acquisitions. I don't know anybody who follows

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Speaker 1: this stuff as closely. You have like a freakish level

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Speaker 1: of knowledge of the latest board vote on whether these

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Speaker 1: companies are going to I don't know anyone who follows

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Speaker 1: the stuff is it's impressive. But I'm just saying you're

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Speaker 1: like the weird guy with the big binoculars, just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: my gosh, this new offer a speckled housefinch. It's like, dude,

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Speaker 1: it's one hundred yards away, how could you even see

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Speaker 1: that without your binoculars?

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Speaker 4: I can smell them, you know, They're like that. They're

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Speaker 4: intense