Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black.
Speaker 2: Were around ambition Ambition, Ambition, Ambition, emisition.
Speaker 1: We gotta do it, we gotta do. You have to
Speaker 1: do one of the combos, you know, like of like
Speaker 1: the song, like it's like many clips of you know,
Speaker 1: the many ways that the song has been sung.
Speaker 3: Tiffany, are you in my brain? Like micro business? These
Speaker 3: shows and what they're gonna be when they finally air
Speaker 3: us up? Tell me, but let me just prepare you
Speaker 3: in advance. I am putting you know, I'm a journalism girley,
Speaker 3: and I'm really putting on my best Good Morning America
Speaker 3: producer hat when it comes to this like four part
Speaker 3: series and welcome to part number two, which is where
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about the future after Tiffany's gone
Speaker 3: from Brown Ambition. But yeah, welcome to Brown Ambition, y'all.
Speaker 3: This is our special four part series because Tiffany, if
Speaker 3: y'all have been living under a rock, how is there
Speaker 3: any way that you don't know by now that Tiffany
Speaker 3: is it's hard to say it in a way that
Speaker 3: doesn't sound like you're on life support. Tiffany is no
Speaker 3: longer going to be with us.
Speaker 1: That's not crazy.
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, Tiffany's leaving. Leaving sounds like I don't know.
Speaker 3: My therapist would say, I wonder why you're so uncomfortable
Speaker 3: with the word leaving. Tiffany is some you talk.
Speaker 1: Oh, I am no longer going to be the co
Speaker 1: host of Brown and Viission, but bran Abission continue.
Speaker 3: The permanent co host.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, for sure, I'm going to come back to
Speaker 1: visit girl.
Speaker 3: I'm going to make sure there's a loophole so big
Speaker 3: in that contract will be updated. No, for sure, but yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'm not letting Tiffany go without a proper send off.
Speaker 3: And it just feels right because honestly, for the next month,
Speaker 3: I will not be thinking about anything else or wanted
Speaker 3: to talk about anything else. This is like, this is
Speaker 3: why they say in lesbian relationships, like there's just the
Speaker 3: conversations are endless and like you never like it's just
Speaker 3: constant because like, all I want to do is talk
Speaker 3: about this and it could take hours and hours and hours.
Speaker 3: We're just going to work through it together. So if
Speaker 3: you haven't listened to it yet, go back and listen
Speaker 3: to Oh that was a really nice episode where we
Speaker 3: just got to take a walk down memory lane. I
Speaker 3: kept walking down memory lane after we signed off, because
Speaker 3: I'm something of a Google doc archaeologist and I don't
Speaker 3: know if anyone else is, but I love, you know,
Speaker 3: just it's it's literally like, at this point, almost two
Speaker 3: decades worth of artifacts from my life, and I was wondering,
Speaker 3: like what I remember There was a spreadsheet when we
Speaker 3: first planned the show, and I went back and I
Speaker 3: found it and I was like, that's Brown Ambition, That's
Speaker 3: where we came up with it. And the other names
Speaker 3: were so trash. I mean, when you send me the text,
Speaker 3: I was like, not the loop, the leap, the nudge,
Speaker 3: like the nudge, life after Money, like they were giving
Speaker 3: David Bach titles likely and so though, okay, sorry, but
Speaker 3: he's the originator of the five l Anyway, really fun
Speaker 3: little snippets. You guys got to follow us on IG
Speaker 3: because I'm gonna start sharing some of these, like little throwback.
Speaker 3: Our first message is about the show, you know, just
Speaker 3: fun stuff, you know, January first, when you're not like
Speaker 3: the permanent co host and I don't know either, but
Speaker 3: it's also just I'm very I'm pretty comfortable in that
Speaker 3: space of uncertainty when it comes to career stuff. I
Speaker 3: think that's in the bravery that you have to walk
Speaker 3: away from something when there's not like a big reason.
Speaker 3: It's just like it feels right. I've done what I
Speaker 3: came here to do, you know, and I'm really excited.
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is like even without it being
Speaker 3: about you leaving Brown ambition, like I'm always excited to
Speaker 3: see what next kind of adventure Tiffany is going to
Speaker 3: go on because there's always something new and fun.
Speaker 1: And girl, I mean Wayne too, I'm like, shoot, I
Speaker 1: mean the audience, right, And I guess kind of I
Speaker 1: don't want to say breakups. But not all endings are
Speaker 1: as are unfortunate. Not all endings are violent. Not our
Speaker 1: endings are as a result of someone doing something wrong
Speaker 1: that like I love that we get to be an
Speaker 1: example of like hm, you know, and it's not even
Speaker 1: really an end. It's a transition because like our friendship
Speaker 1: doesn't end. So I go, I'm glad that you guys
Speaker 1: that this is not just kind of this one off
Speaker 1: like hey, this is my last episode, surprise, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: And then we move on. You get to hear Mandy
Speaker 1: and I continue to interact like, oh wait, I could
Speaker 1: tell the friendship is still there. Oh wait, they still
Speaker 1: care about each other. So wait, wait, what's happening because
Speaker 1: that's what we're told that something must have happened. No,
Speaker 1: nothing at all happened between Mandy and I. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just time and I'm listening, and.
Speaker 3: If anything, we just developed a deeper relationship. And it's
Speaker 3: like that shift from like I said, in the beginning,
Speaker 3: it was like thirty friendship, seventy business and now it's
Speaker 3: just I mean maybe ten, it's just all Now it's
Speaker 3: all friendship. Well, even though we acknowledge that we don't
Speaker 3: know what's coming next, like individually for the show, for you,
Speaker 3: let's just play pretend though, because goal setting is something
Speaker 3: that neither of us is a stranger to. So let's
Speaker 3: do some vision work because I just want to know
Speaker 3: you've we've heard often. I've heard often about the changes
Speaker 3: that you're making. You just talked about having a co
Speaker 3: CEO of the budget Nista, bringing the Liverature Academy under
Speaker 3: the Budgetiesta umbrella. What you got cooking over? Like, what
Speaker 3: do you think? Well, I think that you want to
Speaker 3: see one other three to six months.
Speaker 1: I'll say this that you know, just turn forty five
Speaker 1: and literally you know, midlife. Well, we hope, because you know,
Speaker 1: you lived to ninety plus. And I think the biggest
Speaker 1: shift of this half of my life, especially professionally, I
Speaker 1: feel like this big shift away from Budgetista and toward
Speaker 1: tiffany more because for the last sixteen years I have
Speaker 1: been almost exclusively Budgetista, and I think that's what like
Speaker 1: space is being created for. And what I mean is that,
Speaker 1: like I feel like I told you, like that experience
Speaker 1: I had in last Vegas seeing that you know, unhoused
Speaker 1: woman digging through the trash, and how I had this
Speaker 1: visceral reaction, not like my first time seeing somebody do that.
Speaker 1: But what has been coming up for me a lot
Speaker 1: is that I'm entering into an area of strategic philanthropy,
Speaker 1: you know, like behind the scenes, I'm always giving, Like
Speaker 1: a teacher will hit me up and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: can you help me with my Amazon store for the kids? Sure, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I donate here, I get here, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's always been a part of my life. But
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, it's always been like kind
Speaker 1: of like this behind the scenes Tiffany off to the
Speaker 1: side part of my life. But I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: actually going to bring that to the forefront and link
Speaker 1: it to the business. Like how can I but a foundation?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think right away. So one
Speaker 1: the financial part I had never heard. Have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of a donor advice fund?
Speaker 3: A donor advised yes, that term, yes, but explain it though.
Speaker 1: So as far as a donor advice fund is when
Speaker 1: you it's almost like think about it like as a
Speaker 1: pre nonprofit. So one of my favorite nonprofits is the
Speaker 1: Unadded Way of Greater Newark. And let's just say like
Speaker 1: not even let's just say one of the things like
Speaker 1: when I saw that woman, I said, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go back to Newark, like you know, like I felt
Speaker 1: like the divine said that, what are you going to
Speaker 1: do about it? And I said, I'm going to feed,
Speaker 1: you know, regularly feed the hungry in Newark. And I
Speaker 1: told myself I'm going to commit to start at first,
Speaker 1: I said one thousand dollars a month and twelve hundred
Speaker 1: and I landed on two thousand dollars a month. And
Speaker 1: I will partner with black brown own businesses to say
Speaker 1: how many people can we feed? You know, your I know,
Speaker 1: three restaurant tours that I can reach out to and
Speaker 1: be like, what would this look like if I gave
Speaker 1: you this money and you can you know, once a
Speaker 1: month we have like a feeding so people can know
Speaker 1: where to come. And then I reached out to my
Speaker 1: friend and CEO of the United Way of Greater Newer,
Speaker 1: Catherine Wilson, and she was like, ooh, do it through us,
Speaker 1: because if you do it through us, then we could
Speaker 1: get matching funds. Credential is housed in Newer Audible as
Speaker 1: a newer Panasonic is a newer and to them, what's
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars a month? So maybe that two thousand
Speaker 1: becomes ten, you know, so now you get to support
Speaker 1: this black or brown own business and then you also
Speaker 1: get to feed And so this is what's turning in
Speaker 1: my head of like the direction I'm heading. It's like
Speaker 1: so it's it's still like budget needs to adjacent, but
Speaker 1: more tiffany than budget. How would that be?
Speaker 3: Like I wonder strategically if it's personal funds that you'd
Speaker 3: be using for that or do you see using a
Speaker 3: portion of like the proceeds your businesses?
Speaker 1: So the donor advice fund is the first part. So
Speaker 1: I talked to my financial advisor about it on Jillie
Speaker 1: and she said, let's open a donor advice fund. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what's that. She gave me some paperwork
Speaker 1: to read. I didn't read it, but I did watch
Speaker 1: you a YouTube video and so what I learned in
Speaker 1: the video that it's just nonprofitable. So let's just say
Speaker 1: I tell myself. So, for example, Angelie said, you have
Speaker 1: some stocks and acorns that had been sitting there for
Speaker 1: some time, and like, Robin Hood, Robin Hood. I know.
Speaker 1: So I just randomly had some stock sitting there that
Speaker 1: had grown, and she was like it was about the
Speaker 1: same amount of money, about twenty thousand dollars about what
Speaker 1: I wanted to donate. So she said, you know what
Speaker 1: if you cash out your stocks, obviously any of that
Speaker 1: growth is taxable, but she was like, let's cash out
Speaker 1: and put it in a donor advice fund, which is
Speaker 1: basically a nonprofit kind of like a nonprofit before a nonprofit,
Speaker 1: if you will, which means that that I can get
Speaker 1: the text benefit of putting it in my donor advice
Speaker 1: fund and then I can dispense it when ready.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, so I was like huge nonprofit nonprofits yes, gotcha,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's say, for example, the benefit is, let's
Speaker 1: just say I'm committed to twenty four thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: year two thousand dollars a month. But what if i
Speaker 1: have a major magnanimous year next year and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we have this extra money. I'm going
Speaker 1: to put one hundred thousand dollars, but I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where to put it yet. I can put one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand in the donor Advice Fund and then dispense it
Speaker 1: as maybe I just say, I'm still doing two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a month, but now I have enough to last
Speaker 1: me the next however many years, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So it allows me to kind of like pre give
Speaker 1: to a nonprofit while like in a holding pattern before
Speaker 1: I give it to the nonprofit I want to give
Speaker 1: it to. And so that's my understanding of it. If
Speaker 1: y'all listening, like, that's not how it goes. But I
Speaker 1: had I had asked, is this right? She said yes,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's more to it, but essentially that that's
Speaker 1: what I'm able to do. And so I'm really excited
Speaker 1: about that. I'm really excited. But I actually have a
Speaker 1: meeting with her today Unduly, my CPA, my CFP, and
Speaker 1: I am excited about. Okay, so what's next? Like, I've
Speaker 1: got an email saying that the money is now available,
Speaker 1: that the stocks that I sold are now sitting in
Speaker 1: the donor Advice fund, And so like, what do I
Speaker 1: do now? How do I reach out to you in
Speaker 1: that way? How do I send them it? You know,
Speaker 1: do I just send them twenty four thousand after that?
Speaker 1: Or do I really just do two thousand dollars a month?
Speaker 1: And then my next step is to reach out to
Speaker 1: the restaurant tours that I know. I'm thinking about Vonda's
Speaker 1: and Newark. My friend Adina owns a ihop and I
Speaker 1: know she'd already does a lot of volunteer work in
Speaker 1: that way by feeding folks. And then I also know
Speaker 1: a truck, a food truck, which might be great because
Speaker 1: maybe we can go physically to places that because you
Speaker 1: know people, I mean, how I don't want to have,
Speaker 1: you know, like a place where people can't get to,
Speaker 1: so maybe the food truck. So I'm thinking like, but
Speaker 1: also too, I wanted that this is the opportunity to
Speaker 1: support black and brown small businesses and so I'm excited
Speaker 1: about it. I'm thinking about doing it like the same
Speaker 1: day every month, Like say it's like the first Sunday
Speaker 1: of every month. That way people in the community can
Speaker 1: either come out and volunteer time, you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: like I've always heard that a lot of folks who
Speaker 1: are on house socks is a big thing. So maybe
Speaker 1: you can bring socks, women sanitary you know, materials like
Speaker 1: pads and tampons and this that that's a huge one.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can bring that. You know, maybe someone has kids,
Speaker 1: and so someone says, you know, I would really love
Speaker 1: some school clothes. So I imagine that it starts off
Speaker 1: as people come for food but leave with other things.
Speaker 1: Maybe people bring book bags maybe, but just know, once
Speaker 1: a month there's a place that you can come to
Speaker 1: receive if necessary, but there's also a place that you
Speaker 1: can come to give if you want to. And so
Speaker 1: I'm really when I say that is the thing, like
Speaker 1: you know, Bujanisa's trucking along, we're getting contracts and YadA,
Speaker 1: yah YadA. But this is the thing that excites me
Speaker 1: about what I want this next part of my life
Speaker 1: to look like. And so if there is anything kind
Speaker 1: of new, it's really this and the thing that kind
Speaker 1: of is lighting me up inside.
Speaker 3: Is this, Oh that's nice. I think groceries too, just
Speaker 3: even like a bag of yes, honestly, because you can
Speaker 3: a meal is a meal, and I think that's just
Speaker 3: it's lovely. But also I'm like the way that families
Speaker 3: are being crushed by grocery costs and two even for
Speaker 3: one week, think about I mean, this is something any
Speaker 3: of us could do, but just like dropping off like
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars worth of essentials, which these days ain't
Speaker 3: gonna be much, but you know, eggs and milk and
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you want groscty cards, right, that always helps.
Speaker 3: To grocery cards, yeah, oh cards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cards, like you know, because where we live there's
Speaker 1: a shop, right and stopping shops, so maybe it's like hey,
Speaker 1: and they can like go in with dignity, yes exactly.
Speaker 3: Food beats are wonderful, yes, because you can go when
Speaker 3: you go in person in your shop, right, and they
Speaker 3: also like give away I believe so.
Speaker 1: But you're right, what if you had to? Because so
Speaker 1: I see this really growing into like I've been saying
Speaker 1: this for a while, that the only way we're going
Speaker 1: to survive the next few years of what feels like
Speaker 1: is coming, like you know, this great financial reckoning feels
Speaker 1: like it's coming escually form the middle class. It's going
Speaker 1: to be a community. Yeah, and so in the United
Speaker 1: Way actually has this initiative called Neighbors Helping Neighbors, and
Speaker 1: that's what it's going to look like, that it's going
Speaker 1: to be like community. So I love the idea. So
Speaker 1: imagine to your point. It starts off it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this restaurant has food that you can come get. But also,
Speaker 1: you know the food bank we partner because there is
Speaker 1: a new Jersey based food bank that I volunteered with before.
Speaker 1: They're there with food and people come donated. And also
Speaker 1: you know there's a book back place over there where
Speaker 1: somebody donated book banks. And also you know, so I would.
Speaker 3: Love also there's someone in line who's going through the
Speaker 3: same thing. And maybe you guys sit down together. Yeah
Speaker 3: your kids are the same age or yes, you know,
Speaker 3: and like you realize you're not so alone. My husband
Speaker 3: such a lone wolf. I think a lot of us
Speaker 3: out He's just become that way more and more in
Speaker 3: his in his ornery clothes. I'm really from Middle Asia anyway,
Speaker 3: and all the time he's like, why don't you just
Speaker 3: go to the grocery store? Why do you have to
Speaker 3: bother so and so. The way, I texted three of
Speaker 3: my neighbors last night for half a cup of vegetable
Speaker 3: oil because I'm trying to make these damn cookies that
Speaker 3: they asked me to make. And I'm like, you guys
Speaker 3: want these cookies. I need half a cup of vegetable
Speaker 3: oil because I'm not about to go to the store.
Speaker 3: And today I needed sugar and I was like a
Speaker 3: bit of boo boo boo boop, Yeah, sugar. And sometimes
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, I could go to the store. But
Speaker 3: also it's nice to give people it. I think it's
Speaker 3: on both ends. It feels really good when you have
Speaker 3: the missing lego piece, a small little piece that you
Speaker 3: were able to give someone. And I honestly think if
Speaker 3: we when we don't need some, you know, so dire
Speaker 3: just to like it's like stitching a fabric, one stitch,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like, yes, yes, it's like one little stitch.
Speaker 3: And the relationships and I've talked about my neighbors before,
Speaker 3: but we keep like tough, you know, giving and taking
Speaker 3: from each other in the most beautiful way. And it's
Speaker 3: like we're really weaving this fabric and it's lovely. And
Speaker 3: I know if something like huge were to come up,
Speaker 3: it wouldn't even like my husband honestly should be thinking
Speaker 3: me and all the partners of the world, whatever your
Speaker 3: gender identity is. But like, to nurture these relationships, it
Speaker 3: is a form of harvesting. It's a form of like
Speaker 3: sowing seeds and you know, building this foundation and building
Speaker 3: security and resilience so that the community can show up
Speaker 3: for you. And it takes humility and you got to
Speaker 3: like drop some ego to admit it. But I love that.
Speaker 3: I love that that is at the center of what
Speaker 3: you're talking about too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I's just also to this is an excitement
Speaker 1: for I don't know what it'll grow to, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like you know, maybe this becomes this big,
Speaker 1: huge thing and maybe doesn't. But either way, I know,
Speaker 1: people get served and helped. And yeah, so if there
Speaker 1: is a what's Tippy doing next? This is the only
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some new things in business we are
Speaker 1: we are incorporating more B to B than we've ever
Speaker 1: had before because like we've been kind of known for
Speaker 1: cost you know, cost not cost prohibitive, but like cost
Speaker 1: fare like tools and resources. You know, we try to
Speaker 1: keep our like I always try to keep my budgets
Speaker 1: to prices within range of what I hope the average
Speaker 1: person you know, can afford, if not free, many of
Speaker 1: our things. And so you know that's been we've been
Speaker 1: B two C heavy, heavy, heavy, and so more recently,
Speaker 1: especially working with the Board of Education in Newark, I'm
Speaker 1: realizing that we have to like, you know, create a
Speaker 1: foundation of some B to B to even offset some
Speaker 1: of the cost because I don't want to raise prices
Speaker 1: on the B two C in order for us to survive.
Speaker 1: But that's what it looks like. But if I can
Speaker 1: get an organization to underwrite basically like oh, you know,
Speaker 1: they paid us, you know, maybe twice as much but
Speaker 1: I normally would charge y'all to do a thing, then
Speaker 1: then I could keep prices the same. And so there
Speaker 1: that's kind of like if there is a big business change,
Speaker 1: it's that we've been working with more and more organizations,
Speaker 1: state organizations, federal organizations, nonpolite.
Speaker 3: The curriculum is it the yeah, a mix.
Speaker 1: So sometimes some people are like literally, there was one
Speaker 1: organization that wants to buy access to our curriculum.
Speaker 3: And the curriculum is the that's the one that you
Speaker 3: introduced in like Jersey schools.
Speaker 1: So that was just a law saying they had to
Speaker 1: do something that they had to have financial education. So
Speaker 1: but but they didn't have a curriculum. So we wrote
Speaker 1: one based upon get good with Money. So we've written
Speaker 1: a curriculum that now people are wanting to purchase because
Speaker 1: we kind of we practiced it, if you will, this
Speaker 1: last summer with the with the summer program, and it
Speaker 1: went really well, and we're like okay, and so we're like,
Speaker 1: this is great. We already kind of had a curriculum
Speaker 1: for adults, if you will, but not so much for
Speaker 1: for students. And so my alma or two is bringing
Speaker 1: financial education Montclair State like our financial County.
Speaker 3: Thank you to the Life Show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anology, and so I'm really excited that, Like so
Speaker 1: these organizations like literally there are the state, county whatever,
Speaker 1: like for example, this one county organization which I thought
Speaker 1: was so beautiful. They get funding from the federal government
Speaker 1: to they are rolling it out to homeless shelters and
Speaker 1: they said, Tiffany can you come teach or can you
Speaker 1: have like financial educas education classes here at this shelter.
Speaker 1: And I said, oh my god, that's like perfectly aligned.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm wanting. And so it's great because obviously
Speaker 1: the folks there don't have to pay. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do like a three month test to see
Speaker 1: how that goes. And it won't be me teaching. We
Speaker 1: have teachers now that we train to teach. They'll come
Speaker 1: in weekly teach our curriculum, but we will I'm going
Speaker 1: to modify the curriculum to suit the audience, you know,
Speaker 1: because and so which is great because you know, you
Speaker 1: can't talk about like and this is how you invest
Speaker 1: in the market right now and someone's unhoused.
Speaker 3: You know, and then you can get like certified budget
Speaker 3: needs to teachers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's where we're.
Speaker 3: Working with money people and then they can.
Speaker 1: Go and if you're really sensitive, you understand. So like
Speaker 1: y'all know that my best friend Linda is a social worker.
Speaker 1: She just got her master's. Go Linda. So Linda, I said, Linda, girl,
Speaker 1: how much would you charge me once a month to
Speaker 1: go into that shelter and do a session. Because there's
Speaker 1: so many resources available. I can promise you they're not
Speaker 1: getting and Linda could be like, girl, what do you
Speaker 1: mean that you have disability? No, girl, you need to
Speaker 1: be getting this, this, this, this, this, And so I
Speaker 1: want Linda to come in once a month to have
Speaker 1: a session, to really sit with folks, to say, tell
Speaker 1: me all that's happening, and I'm going to tell you
Speaker 1: what you need to be asking for. And so I'm
Speaker 1: really excited. And then I'm gonna see if I can
Speaker 1: have a doctor come in to do some sort of session,
Speaker 1: because to me, financial education is not just this is
Speaker 1: a dollar. It's a holistic look of where you are
Speaker 1: and where you want to be. So I just say
Speaker 1: all that to say that even the business is aligning
Speaker 1: with this kind of philanthropic move that we're moving forward.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited because getting these contracts means that I
Speaker 1: can still do the B two C for free or
Speaker 1: really low cost because the B to B offsets, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the income that we need to make in
Speaker 1: order to like, you know, to stay here. So it's
Speaker 1: exciting times for growth, but growth that's aligned. I never
Speaker 1: want to grow in a way that's not aligned with
Speaker 1: who I want to be. I always want to be
Speaker 1: in integrity, you know. And it's like, can you make
Speaker 1: good money help good people do good work. I believe so,
Speaker 1: And we've been doing it for sixteen years, and certainly
Speaker 1: there's some years where it's really hard. During the pandemic,
Speaker 1: the Girls was make it big. I'm talking about tens
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars, but it was not in integrity
Speaker 1: with the way I wanted to show up. And I
Speaker 1: definitely was looking like, damn, that would be cute to
Speaker 1: make But that's a girl. You want to you want
Speaker 1: to look in the mirror, you want to sleep well
Speaker 1: at night. And so we didn't. And so we still
Speaker 1: make good money, but not nearly like that. But I'm
Speaker 1: okay with that because in the end I have to
Speaker 1: look at myself in the mirror and say, like, you know,
Speaker 1: like that was okay? Or are you harmful to the
Speaker 1: very people you promised to serve? Tiffany, what is the point?
Speaker 1: You know? And so we figure it out, and so
Speaker 1: we're getting better and better at figuring it out.
Speaker 3: Proud to be all right, let's take a quick break. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's take a quick break, and we'll come back and
Speaker 3: then we'll talk about what's next for Brown and.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm excited. I'm like, what you won't be up
Speaker 1: to girl?
Speaker 3: The right FACTBA fam and we're back, all right. So
Speaker 3: Mandy asked me the question everybody, Yes, what are so?
Speaker 1: I'm really curious. I can't wait to see? But like, well,
Speaker 1: tell me, yes, what one? What do you? What are
Speaker 1: you thinking? What is your vision for b A two point.
Speaker 3: H b A two point oh? Well?
Speaker 1: Like what are you pulling up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Do you guys pressure you looking at it?
Speaker 3: I'm I was like, no, I'm pulling up the survey results.
Speaker 1: So it's like one thing, not me. I'm gonna get this.
Speaker 3: I just I truly genuinely can't care what the BA
Speaker 3: fan wants, but I can. Okay, So before I tell
Speaker 3: you guys what y'all want, I'll tell you what I want.
Speaker 3: And the good news is that that's pretty much in alignment.
Speaker 3: I want the freedom and I think I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: this from BA fan because y'all have already been so
Speaker 3: generous and sent messages and yeah, and just like even
Speaker 3: a person at FINCN the live event just said like
Speaker 3: we're riding with Mandy and we and there's like a
Speaker 3: trust there, which Tiffany, I know you have in me,
Speaker 3: and that makes me feel and I do trust myself too.
Speaker 3: It just makes me feel excited because I feel very capable.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you know Brown Ambition was my little
Speaker 3: brain baby, and then you know it wouldn't have it
Speaker 3: would not have been what it is or become what
Speaker 3: it is without you. But it is like that, it's
Speaker 3: so ingrained with like it's just a part of who
Speaker 3: I am. I can't give it up. It's mine. I
Speaker 3: could never imagine a world where Brand Ambition is not
Speaker 3: in the world in some way, shape or form. So
Speaker 3: I am open to a bunch of possibilities. But here
Speaker 3: I'll run through some ideas that I've had. Okay, so
Speaker 3: the first my first inclination was like, I'll have different
Speaker 3: I'll just do solo shows. You know, there's some great
Speaker 3: shows that I know the host of, like we've had
Speaker 3: Less from Balanced Black Girl on you mentioned Ratchet and
Speaker 3: Respectable Tiffany. There's Journey to Launch with Jamila Suffrant. There's
Speaker 3: Jokio Dinero with Jennie's Torres. So there's plenty of examples
Speaker 3: of single host led shows where they kind of do
Speaker 3: some solo episodes and then they have some guests. But
Speaker 3: I can't. I don't want to give up the magic
Speaker 3: of what a relationship between co host and that fun
Speaker 3: that like the sense of you know, we don't necessarily
Speaker 3: we know we're gonna come here and talk about a
Speaker 3: financial topic or career whatever, but we're also we also
Speaker 3: know that these two people are gonna have fun while
Speaker 3: they're doing it, and there's gonna be this like bounce
Speaker 3: back and forth and rapport with But when I thought
Speaker 3: about that, I was like, but I'm never gonna find
Speaker 3: another love then love. I don't. It's getting weird, but
Speaker 3: that's what we love. They love like will they won't?
Speaker 3: They get it over you guys, stop it? Yeah, but
Speaker 3: it's it. I started to feel like, well, Tiffany and
Speaker 3: I like this chemistry. You just can't find that spark.
Speaker 3: And I started to run through you know, past guests
Speaker 3: we've had and who and and I don't have that
Speaker 3: kind of easy rapport with just anybody. So then I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, little, that will work. So then I
Speaker 3: did a bunch of panic pitching to like all these
Speaker 3: I went to all these like I've been pitching. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm always pitching for interesting guests, guests that are on
Speaker 3: like my top list. But I did lots of pitching.
Speaker 3: I mean I pitched Is Ray. I have been pitching
Speaker 3: her for ten years. Ten years ago on the spreadsheet
Speaker 3: that I started for Brown Ambition, she was on it.
Speaker 1: And you know who hasn't been on the show, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I pitched Ava du Verne, Tracy Ellis Ross. I am
Speaker 3: going at it from every direction. Publishers, anyone writing a book.
Speaker 3: You know. I just saw Mama Tina's coming out with
Speaker 3: a book. I'm like, bet I will be start hounding
Speaker 3: her her PR agency now. So then I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: but the celebrity heavy show. I don't want that to
Speaker 3: be the show either. So I've also thought about Brown Ambition.
Speaker 3: I'm like, should we do a Patreon on top of
Speaker 3: the and then what would that look like? And it's
Speaker 3: like a little bit of you know, all these ideas
Speaker 3: have been going around and I think what.
Speaker 1: I've what I've sort of like, oh and sorry.
Speaker 3: One more brain wave I had this week is to
Speaker 3: have two co hosts to an addition to me, not permanently,
Speaker 3: but to start seeing what it could feel like with
Speaker 3: I was thinking of adding a guy, adding a male perspective, right,
Speaker 3: and adding a Latino latina, uh, latine, because our audience,
Speaker 3: like for me, Brown Ambition was very intentional. You know.
Speaker 3: I thought of first Blonde Ambition because I thought it
Speaker 3: was like a Marilyn Monroe movie, but it wasn't. It
Speaker 3: was the name of Madonna's tour, and then a really
Speaker 3: terrible movie with Jessica Simpson. But anyway, but then I
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, take out Blonde with Black ambition. But
Speaker 3: then I saw but then I'm like Brown Ambition because
Speaker 3: I wanted to genuinely like encompass more than just black women,
Speaker 3: and because of our because of our all like your
Speaker 3: first of all, because if you're already baked an audience,
Speaker 3: because of who we are, our audience has definitely skewed
Speaker 3: more heavily toward black women, which is no I know,
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with that at its core. But when I
Speaker 3: looked at the survey results, I asked, you know, what
Speaker 3: is your race or ethnicity, and I believe it was
Speaker 3: seventy percent African American Black, and then about twenty percent Hispanica,
Speaker 3: which I think is great. And we've always I think
Speaker 3: we have done a really good job having super diverse guests.
Speaker 3: We've had South Asian guests, We've had Hispanic guests, we've
Speaker 3: had Middle Eastern guests. I mean, my goodness. And I
Speaker 3: just think, you know, it's going to be a majority
Speaker 3: minority by what twenty twenty five. That's twenty forty five
Speaker 3: is not that far away. And I just love the
Speaker 3: idea of expanding this, expanding it. And then you think
Speaker 3: about shows like the friend Zone that has the three
Speaker 3: co hosts, and I love this show called Vibe Check
Speaker 3: that has three black mail queer co hosts, and it
Speaker 3: just seemed fun. And so in my head, I'm like
Speaker 3: casting who that panel could be. So you know, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't say if you all see me out here with
Speaker 3: the co host or with a panel, I can't say
Speaker 3: that it's going to be like a permanent thing. I
Speaker 3: also don't know how like these people got are, Like Tiffany,
Speaker 3: when you and me, it's like Monday every It's like
Speaker 3: it was ingrained in our DNA, you know, to show
Speaker 3: up Monday at one pm, week after week after week.
Speaker 3: It's different when obviously there's more people involved. Any of
Speaker 3: those ideas to you, Tiffany, Like what do you think
Speaker 3: you don't have a horse in this race anymore.
Speaker 1: But no, I mean I love the idea of a panel.
Speaker 1: I never thought about that. That's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's kind of interesting. And I like, you know,
Speaker 1: cause especially I like the idea of like a male perspective,
Speaker 1: and yes you do.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've been nervous about I've been I've been curious
Speaker 3: to hear people's idea of I mean, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like there should always be the women should always over over,
Speaker 1: you know, there should I wouldn't have two men into
Speaker 1: and just you and like na like always you're going
Speaker 1: to know. So it's either three women or we'll let
Speaker 1: one man in and call him Jerome and we still
Speaker 1: have that one name for all the men that listened
Speaker 1: to Jerome or something like that, right, So I'm I
Speaker 1: actually that sounds very interesting. But I also believe that
Speaker 1: you can carry by yourself, you know, you know, like
Speaker 1: because Mandy's freaking hilarious, Like she was just on my
Speaker 1: Yahoo finance like oh my God podcast and no Mandy
Speaker 1: was I was gonna pee my pants. Maby was so
Speaker 1: freaking hilarious and not even like you know, like on
Speaker 1: the show itself. Yes, we like a laugh. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about like pre like preparing, like you know, like because
Speaker 1: a lady. I remember my the producer at the show
Speaker 1: was like, you know, we've never had anyone like cause
Speaker 1: you know, you couldn't come into the studio that day,
Speaker 1: and so she was like, you were our first non
Speaker 1: studio guest, Like I hope you know that. And they
Speaker 1: were so worried, They're like, oh, are you gonna be
Speaker 1: able to keep it?
Speaker 3: Literally I would be on Yahoo Finance every week for
Speaker 3: like two years.
Speaker 1: Girl. They were like, are you well, you know, will
Speaker 1: you be able to like keep the energy up? I
Speaker 1: was like, have you met Mandy? And so we had
Speaker 1: a time and so it just reminded me just how
Speaker 1: good you are at this. So I think, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I initially thought. I was like, I could
Speaker 1: see Mandy doing this by herself and then bringing in
Speaker 1: people when she feels like it. But I also like,
Speaker 1: ooh intriguing, and maybe you know, maybe you do that
Speaker 1: part of it, maybe that's for Baqa or maybe that's
Speaker 1: you do Baqobay yourself, but then you have the panel,
Speaker 1: you know, on your Wednesday show. I don't know, so honestly,
Speaker 1: like I'm like, ooh, all this sounds like so exciting.
Speaker 3: I want like the anti CNN like cable news panel,
Speaker 3: just like really fun smart people. I mean, y'all tell
Speaker 3: me who you like. But I feel like the closest
Speaker 3: instant like chemistry that I've had with someone even close
Speaker 3: to what you and I have, Tiffany, is Chris from
Speaker 3: Popcorn Finding.
Speaker 1: Because I like you, I knew you're gonna say that
Speaker 1: is my brother.
Speaker 3: Like he just I don't just invite anyone to stay
Speaker 3: at my house with my children and my messy ass
Speaker 3: house and my dog who bit him while he was here.
Speaker 1: You a dandy girl.
Speaker 3: No, Chris is fam and his big old bald head
Speaker 3: is gonna get even bigger when he hears this.
Speaker 1: No, I can see that because he's got great energy,
Speaker 1: super cony us.
Speaker 3: He's a very secure man. He's single, newly single, and
Speaker 3: I just know that y'all are gonna love the way
Speaker 3: that every time I see him, someone else is trying
Speaker 3: to set him up, and it's usually me and then
Speaker 3: one other person at the same time.
Speaker 1: Mis be helpful is exactly like you know, one of
Speaker 1: those little remember that it was like those little books
Speaker 1: that you get it was like, mister miss sunshine, miss whatever.
Speaker 1: There used to be these round like little balls. You're
Speaker 1: too young, damn it.
Speaker 3: Maybe I was gonna connect. I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, it's like miss they were like mister this and
Speaker 1: miss that, and they were like a little ball and
Speaker 1: they like had like the personality was like their name.
Speaker 1: You know, mister this is helpful missus. But anyway, she
Speaker 1: literally is like this ball of sunshine and just like
Speaker 1: so I can see that. Oh, I'm getting excited about
Speaker 1: that idea.
Speaker 3: And we had like a we were at an event,
Speaker 3: the three of us at finn Conn and I was like,
Speaker 3: they didn't even know Chris keeps. He's like, I know
Speaker 3: you're thinking. I called him on the phone the other
Speaker 3: day and just asked him some Raindom questions about politics
Speaker 3: pop culture. He's like, are you auditioning me right now?
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know. Shut up, how do
Speaker 3: you feel about Puerto Rico being called? And I went
Speaker 3: to trash.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that baby, honestly, Yes, girl, Okay.
Speaker 3: So we shall see. We're going to continue definitely doing video,
Speaker 3: We're going to continue doing live events. And you know,
Speaker 3: that is the thing that really has pushed me toward
Speaker 3: like I want to have more friends of the show
Speaker 3: or like semi permanent co host whatever, like just people,
Speaker 3: because I love that live event so much. And it's
Speaker 3: really funny because I talked to Less after her live
Speaker 3: show for Balanced Black Girl, which was an amazing event
Speaker 3: last week in the city, and she was like, I
Speaker 3: do not enjoy the live events, like they take a
Speaker 3: lot out of her. She doesn't like the planning part
Speaker 3: of it all that I really like it and it
Speaker 3: doesn't it stresses me out, but like not in a
Speaker 3: bad way, especially if I get to just be with
Speaker 3: people that I can be completely comfortable with and I
Speaker 3: know that there's going to be like some kind of
Speaker 3: entertainment and takeaways for the audience, Like I want to
Speaker 3: do more of that, And so to think about the
Speaker 3: kind of people I would like to share that space
Speaker 3: with and who would be down, you know, like down
Speaker 3: to just show up in a random city and say hi,
Speaker 3: to be a fan and genuinely love our show and
Speaker 3: know the history.
Speaker 1: And I like life events too, because you know, we
Speaker 1: like I like meeting people, you know, like everybody, no
Speaker 1: nobody comes with like the grunpy you know, people are
Speaker 1: coming for a good time and we give it to them,
Speaker 1: so like it was such a good time that live
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: And roasted salmon and.
Speaker 1: I mean, Nisa, the Browns want to eat and they
Speaker 1: were like yeah and did so yeah.
Speaker 3: Honestly, So it's really fun to talk about and it's
Speaker 3: all been in my head. So even just like an Tiffany,
Speaker 3: I'll probably brainsworm some stuff with you too. And but
Speaker 3: that's one thing, you know, I'm interested in the next
Speaker 3: episode that you guys probably hear in this series. Maybe
Speaker 3: the fourth will be our conversation with doctor Joy because
Speaker 3: one of the things that I'm excited about, so doctor
Speaker 3: Joy from Therapy for Black Girl, She's gonna come on
Speaker 3: and do a session with me and Tiffany kind of
Speaker 3: like we're gonna be looking at the next future, but
Speaker 3: in particular to our relationship, because I want to be
Speaker 3: respectful of you wanting like a fresh start, and I
Speaker 3: don't want to be I don't want you to. I
Speaker 3: don't want to Like it's kind of like when you're
Speaker 3: you're married and you try to go to dinner and
Speaker 3: it's like, what do we talk about besides the kids? Yeah,
Speaker 3: And it's not that we I mean, obviously we could
Speaker 3: talk about you give us one keyword and you and
Speaker 3: me could fill like at least an hour, be like
Speaker 3: red balloons.
Speaker 1: Yes one time, and we can just.
Speaker 3: Go and but anyway, I do want to talk about
Speaker 3: like I have these ideas for brand ambition, but like
Speaker 3: I don't want to like dump them all on you
Speaker 3: or be like what do you think and did? And
Speaker 3: then you know, I don't know why that's gonna feel
Speaker 3: for you. We don't have to go there now, but
Speaker 3: that is something like I think it'll be good to
Speaker 3: talk about, Okay, but hopefully in this light, little casual way. Okay,
Speaker 3: it does feel really good to know that you're excited about.
Speaker 1: I am it totally. It's not anything in my mind.
Speaker 1: I just was thinking, like, Okay, either Mandi's gonna do
Speaker 1: it by herself. She could totally do and have guess
Speaker 1: on what she wants, or maybe she'll find a co host.
Speaker 1: But I never thought of a pair, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it sounds genius, honestly it does. And then I love
Speaker 1: especially I think what makes me really excited is because
Speaker 1: the two people that you're thinking of that in that vein,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, yes, yeah, they're like two
Speaker 1: amazing people. So I'm just I'm really, really, really excited.
Speaker 1: And this is the best case scenario what I hoped
Speaker 1: would happen.
Speaker 3: When I'm wild to me that I'm even thinking about
Speaker 3: talking to you about who else could be sitting it's wild.
Speaker 1: This is what we call growth when the Kelly hands,
Speaker 1: you know, because this is what I hoped. I hoped
Speaker 1: that in me telling you that, well, one, I knew
Speaker 1: you were going to continue, but I was hoping that
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't be like I don't know, like I mean,
Speaker 1: of course there's angst to whatever, but I hope that
Speaker 1: you could really see like, oh my gosh, there's this
Speaker 1: thing inside you that is like, you know, you are
Speaker 1: ready to bloom and blossom and move forward. I knew
Speaker 1: that there was something amazing on the other side of
Speaker 1: this that wasn't going to happen with me here. You know.
Speaker 1: My friend Brandon said it best. Then, Sometimes when we
Speaker 1: don't do the thing, we don't leave, you know, because
Speaker 1: we think to ourselves like, well, I don't want to like,
Speaker 1: you know, because of someone else, like you know, but
Speaker 1: what you're really doing exactly holding them back that you're leaving.
Speaker 1: Is not just this like release for you, It's also
Speaker 1: released for that person too, Like I would have never
Speaker 1: thought about a panel, and it sounds amazing and exciting,
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to listen because, you know, you
Speaker 1: I could just see union're Netie talking about a thing
Speaker 1: and then Chris being like, well as a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: and like, I never thought about it in that way,
Speaker 1: you know, not the podcasting guys, but you know, the
Speaker 1: nice ones, you know. And so I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: really really really excited. And I don't know that this
Speaker 1: comes up without me, with me being here, you know.
Speaker 3: It would have felt sacrilegious to.
Speaker 1: The you know, because and I don't know that I
Speaker 1: would have been opposed to it. I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: just just when it came up, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: not an idea that I would have thought of.
Speaker 3: I just feel like, well, whenever someone's here with us,
Speaker 3: I always feel like, why is this company gonna leave?
Speaker 3: Take take our bras off, like, you know, take the
Speaker 3: spanks off.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while we get somebody who's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, well no, not can we take true true?
Speaker 3: Every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Great, there's a connection and you're like, oh, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: like we're doing the Bobby Brown, Whitney Houston. Okay, you know.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, for the most part, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I love our guests, and you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: tell you who it's our you know, fames, but that
Speaker 1: it does kind of feel like, oh, okay, bye bye anyway, Mandy,
Speaker 1: so like we will say you a girl exactly. So
Speaker 1: I would have never thought about that because we have
Speaker 1: such a great rapport that it wouldn't have made sense
Speaker 1: to me. But like seeing it now, I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that sounds genius. And so I'm really really
Speaker 1: really excited for brand ambition. Like it's the shakeup it needs,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's literally the shakeup it needs.
Speaker 3: All Right, So I said I was gonna share y'all's
Speaker 3: y'all's feedback. So from the survey, I just wanted to
Speaker 3: let you know we're on the same page. Because fifty
Speaker 3: percent of our listeners said they want me to record
Speaker 3: solo and to have guests occasionally ten percent. Only ten
Speaker 3: percent said focus on celebrity guests. That was the third
Speaker 3: most way am I going in this order? That's weird
Speaker 3: number one, like one, two, three, Jesus number one, record
Speaker 3: solo and have guests occasionally. Thank you guys. Fourteen percent
Speaker 3: fifteen percent almost said they want me to find another
Speaker 3: permanent co host, and then ten percent said they want
Speaker 3: me to focus on booking celebrity guestices. And I'm gonna, honestly,
Speaker 3: I'm going to increase that I want Mandy to find
Speaker 3: another permanent cost about twenty percent because there was a
Speaker 3: lot of write in candidates and most of it is
Speaker 3: like I really I'm gonna miss Tiffany so much. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like a combination of all the things.
Speaker 3: So I'm listening to y'all, ba fam. I'm so glad
Speaker 3: that this survey came out when it did. But and
Speaker 3: I'm really happy to hear that it's not about the
Speaker 3: celebrity guest I don't think Brandon Viish was ever really
Speaker 3: about that. Not to say that I will turn down
Speaker 3: Esa right ever in my life. Hell Malia Obama, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, like I would say, yes, absolutely, but but
Speaker 3: that's not what brand ambition was ever supposed to be.
Speaker 3: I go back to those notes of our show from
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, when we were planning it and the script
Speaker 3: that I wrote in like it was about us. It
Speaker 3: was about literally creating a conversation with that centers women
Speaker 3: of color. It makes us feel safe and seen and
Speaker 3: we can talk about for one case. And you know, oh,
Speaker 3: I was trying to find an alliteration, but the only
Speaker 3: thing I could think of was fuck poise And that
Speaker 3: is not at all how I want to end this episode.
Speaker 3: But we can talk about it all and so that's
Speaker 3: really what it's about. It's that so thank I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm excited. I'm every time I talk about it out loud,
Speaker 3: I get excited and I'm glad because I was so sad. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm super proud of us and this was fun. Thank
Speaker 3: y'all for listening. Brand Ambistion will continue, Tiffany will continue
Speaker 3: her greatness. Leave us a review, Pola if you haven't yet,
Speaker 3: make it your You're goodbye gift to Tiffany. Tell her
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