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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do alive on a first Friday miracle

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Speaker 2: to Ohio. I am merely Bo. He is the great Gibbe.

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Speaker 2: We are not at the undisclosed location. We are not

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Speaker 3: Gibbe is on the course. Are you going to get

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Speaker 3: to play?

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Speaker 4: I believe when we're gonna play. We're gonna see off

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Speaker 4: in a little over an hour from rain.

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Speaker 2: Now, so the rain. I haven't gotten anything here this morning.

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Speaker 2: Here over on the east side, I've got no rain

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Speaker 4: I will tell you the rain was impressive overnight.

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Speaker 3: That's a fact.

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Speaker 4: I woke up. I woke up this morning going Bee,

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Speaker 4: maybe this is gonna happen. Maybe not.

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Speaker 2: We've been so dry though, I'm just going to the

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a wind too.

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Speaker 2: It's been so dry that the ground just soaps it

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Speaker 2: up though, just SOPs it up. That we just don't have.

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Speaker 2: Well we needed it so bad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think like there's a nice breeze. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's pretty windy and the sun's out and I just

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Speaker 4: feel like by the end of the day this will

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Speaker 4: all be this will all be taken care of and

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Speaker 4: by the time, by the time the back nine rolls around,

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Speaker 4: I should be in very very good shape from a

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Speaker 4: dryness standpoint. I feel like it's a.

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Speaker 5: Big win for everybody.

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Speaker 3: My friend, did you watch it? Did you watch any

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Speaker 3: of the hockey last night? Stanley Cup, the Massacre?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Nine three Vegas wins a little bit.

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Speaker 2: How do you I mean, we've got in your lifetime,

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Speaker 2: You've got, you know, one championship, the sixteen calves.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's the list.

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Speaker 2: There's some of our older listeners who remember back to

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Speaker 2: the sixties and remember the championship here with the Browns,

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Speaker 2: but it's it's been few and far between, and this

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Speaker 2: is an operation that's been around for seven years. They

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Speaker 2: were in fact, they weren't around it for seven years.

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Speaker 2: They didn't exist. Seven years ago, that wasn't even a name.

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Speaker 2: There was nothing. And the NHL. And the reason I

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Speaker 2: think this is interesting is I think it was an

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Speaker 2: arms race for the city of Las Vegas. And the

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Speaker 2: NHL gets a lot of things wrong, but I do

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Speaker 2: think they got this one right, as much as it

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Speaker 2: pains me. They found a guy who was aggressive an ownership,

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Speaker 2: a guy named Bill Foley. He's a West Point grad

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Speaker 2: investment guy, made a lot of money in the insurance sector.

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Speaker 2: He buys the Frameranchise for five hundred million. And the NHL,

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Speaker 2: as opposed to what happened here to the Browns or

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Speaker 2: it happens to most expansion teams, the NHL kind of,

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Speaker 2: not kind of absolutely enabled them to be good right away,

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Speaker 2: in fact encouraged it. They were allowed to pick off

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Speaker 2: of every team in the league the eighth best forward,

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Speaker 2: the fourth best defenseman, and the second best goalie. They

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Speaker 2: played for the Stanley Cup in year one and they

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Speaker 2: won it last night. And they're set up to be

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Speaker 2: good for a very very long time. And it was

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Speaker 2: something that was done very intentionally, Gibbe.

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Speaker 3: They were the.

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Speaker 2: First to Las Vegas, and they made it kind of

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Speaker 2: if you saw the images from last night and the

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Speaker 2: stuff that's come out this morning of the parties and

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Speaker 2: the people, it's easy.

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Speaker 3: To follow a winner.

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Speaker 2: But I can't help it be a little bit bitter

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Speaker 2: because I know how hard it's been for this organization

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Speaker 3: And it was brutal. It still is brutal.

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Speaker 2: They're forever away from winning a championship.

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Speaker 3: Where do you.

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Speaker 2: Stand on, Hey, you paid us a half billion bucks,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna let you be good right away.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I mean we got screwed because of the

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Speaker 4: I mean that that was a big that was a

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Speaker 4: get any breaks when they came back in nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 4: And I think you know, we wanted our football team back,

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Speaker 4: so it was super rushed and you know, maybe maybe

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Speaker 4: it would have been beneficial to have another year, but

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Speaker 4: everybody wanted their team back and wanted their team back asap.

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Speaker 4: And well, I mean, you got you got the team back,

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Speaker 4: But what what exactly has that amounted to? Unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 4: we've had some great moments and we'll hopefully we're gonna

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Speaker 4: have more. But the success because Carolina went to an

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Speaker 2: I think they did like relatively they did it first

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Speaker 4: Yeah, correct, it was like the first three years, like

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Speaker 4: Carolina was coached by Dom Capers mm hm, and they

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's right. I was thinking Giants head coach and yeah,

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Speaker 4: eventually he was. Yeah, but like, both those franchises had

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Speaker 4: so much success that I think the NFL panicked and

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Speaker 4: you're sitting back going wow, it would have been nice

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Speaker 2: So just for and you know, we're doing an NFL show,

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Speaker 2: The NHL teams could predict everybody except four players when

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Speaker 2: guess this isn't negative towards Oklahoma City. How do we

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Speaker 3: They didn't have to build anything.

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Speaker 2: They were already built and ready to go. And that's

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Speaker 4: Damn bad for them. I was going to say shout

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Speaker 4: So that's why they're having a success they're having. But

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Speaker 4: Can you really with everything else going on in Vegas?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and no they have you know, and they won

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Speaker 3: And that's one thing.

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Speaker 3: And wasn't it Terry.

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Speaker 2: But there is something I think too owning that market,

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Speaker 4: Well, you said it. There's no direction. NU, guys are

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's really all you can do is show

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, there's no path for it.

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Speaker 4: I just tried to lay it out for I laid

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Speaker 10: Played it for about.

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Speaker 9: Three or four months through the winter months and got

441
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Speaker 9: very into Ultimate Team before I burned out with the

442
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Speaker 9: arrival of the baseball game.

443
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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay. The reason I was going to ask you

444
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Speaker 2: this is because I know one of your big beefs

445
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Speaker 2: and it's something that I don't know if Madden's ever

446
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 2: going to get it sorted. We just had Josh Allen

447
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Speaker 2: announced on the.

448
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Speaker 3: Cover last week.

449
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Speaker 2: It feels like what comes up short in the Madden

450
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Speaker 2: game in Dynasty Mode or whatever it's called, Franchise mode,

451
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Speaker 2: FIFA gets right in their Career mode. I mean, it's

452
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Speaker 2: incredibly nuanced the negotiations for transfer. Have you did you

453
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Speaker 2: delve into that at all or did you just do

454
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Speaker 2: Ultimate Team?

455
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Speaker 9: Can? I?

456
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Speaker 10: Well, I would agree with you.

457
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Speaker 9: First off, yes, and I also have to say that

458
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Speaker 9: soccer is a very foreign concept to me. The idea

459
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Speaker 9: of transfers on its own with something I had to learn,

460
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Speaker 9: and I didn't spend a ton of time in that

461
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Speaker 9: mode this year, but when I last play, I actually

462
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Speaker 9: had played it briefly a few years ago and got

463
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Speaker 9: into that a little bit. But I will tell you

464
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Speaker 9: this though inside sources, okay, that some significant improvements are

465
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Speaker 9: coming to Madden this year, some of which I have

466
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Speaker 9: tested out. Contract restructures are going to be possible, and

467
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Speaker 9: it's quite simple. In fact, I tested one on Miles

468
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 9: Garrett and in order to clear some cash space to

469
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Speaker 9: make some roster moves as I run through a little

470
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Speaker 9: Browns franchise and the beta, and so that's that's going

471
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Speaker 9: to be there. Uh, There's an improvement to trades, more

472
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Speaker 9: slots to work with. They are getting closer and as

473
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Speaker 9: after speaking with the lead developers on the game, they

474
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Speaker 9: are very aware of these desires from the community and

475
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Speaker 9: are working year by year to get as many of

476
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Speaker 9: them included in the game as possible. So I will

477
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Speaker 9: tell you that your franchise experience in Madden will be

478
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Speaker 9: improved it's not perfect. It's probably going to be perfect.

479
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Speaker 9: Everybody's always going to have a complaint, but it will

480
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Speaker 9: be improved in this year's game.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because my kids are into this FIFA thing, I'm like,

482
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Speaker 2: this is exactly what Madden should be. This is the

483
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Speaker 2: experience that you want. Is this immersive experience where you're

484
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Speaker 2: doing all these things and you have the ability and

485
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Speaker 2: it's very very realistic and real Didy the only other

486
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Speaker 2: beef that I had with Man And since you're a

487
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Speaker 2: man on the know here, it feels like every pass

488
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Speaker 2: is either an interception or a completion.

489
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Speaker 3: Have they sorted out that part of it? And I

490
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Speaker 3: know you're an.

491
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Speaker 2: Expert player, and I'm obviously very amateur, but those are

492
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Speaker 2: That's been my experience and everything's a lot of times

493
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Speaker 2: you go sixteen to twenty with four touchdowns and four picks.

494
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Speaker 10: Yeah, you're four incompletions or four interceptions, right.

495
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Speaker 9: I having played the beta version of this, another thing

496
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Speaker 9: that they focused on was and this is probably a

497
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Speaker 9: big gripe. I know.

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Speaker 10: This is Nathan's. One of his biggest.

499
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Speaker 9: Gripes is that you can throw a pass in coverage

500
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Speaker 9: and a defender heads his back to the ball and

501
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Speaker 9: suddenly he'll turn around and making an inception. They have

502
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Speaker 9: actively improved that this year to where the defender when

503
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Speaker 9: the ball is arriving, if he has his back to you,

504
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Speaker 9: his head's not turned around, he's not going to make

505
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Speaker 9: a play on that ball.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 9: I did have one instant in which I threw a

508
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Speaker 9: pass over the middle, thinking this would be the case.

509
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Speaker 9: The linebacker saw the ball as I was throwing it,

510
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Speaker 9: turned and just kind of threw his hand up there

511
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Speaker 9: as he was pursuing the intended to figure and was

512
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Speaker 9: able to bat it down. But that is improved, So

513
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Speaker 9: that's good. More pass not you know catch knockouts are

514
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 9: happening in this game. Better reaction from AI controlled defenders

515
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Speaker 9: breaking on the ball. So you're gonna see some more

516
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Speaker 9: variety in you know, not everything that's close can just

517
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Speaker 9: be a possession catch and you're gonna fall down on

518
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Speaker 9: the ground a lot of times.

519
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Speaker 10: They'll break them up.

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Speaker 9: It's not perfect, like I said, but it isn't improvement.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so let's do a little. This makes

522
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Speaker 2: me very happy because those are my two biggest beefs

523
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Speaker 2: when when playing with the kids and and just my

524
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Speaker 2: experience playing with it a little bit with those are

525
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Speaker 2: the two things. It's good to know. Boots on the ground,

526
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Speaker 2: we got that sorted out. Good job at you, shok.

527
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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about what we saw in

528
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Speaker 2: Mini camp for the Browns and kind of the tone

529
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Speaker 2: coming out of it. And I think much of the

530
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Speaker 2: headlines here locally obviously were the performance of Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 2: at Mini Camp. Now, look, it's mini camp, right, so

532
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Speaker 2: it can be both true that it's Mini camp wake

533
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Speaker 2: me Up September. I get that, and I understand there's

534
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Speaker 2: a certain part of the fan base that feels that

535
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Speaker 2: way that they're not really interested in anything positive until

536
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Speaker 2: they see it actually play out with wins on the

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Speaker 2: football field. And that's fair. They've earned the right to

538
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Speaker 2: be able to do that. But Nick, I also thought

539
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Speaker 2: it was critical for Watson to have a week like

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Speaker 2: the week that he did. I thought it was important.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it was important for him in front

542
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Speaker 2: of you know, the local media and even his own

543
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Speaker 2: teammates to kind of ball out and show everybody what

544
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Speaker 2: he is capable of.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's good. You know, it's obviously good

546
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Speaker 9: for you know, the sentiment and entering the summer, right

547
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 9: is because if you talk to the average Browns fan

548
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 9: last year, it's almost as if they forgot that that

549
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Speaker 9: game in Washington never happened, in which he's a three.

550
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Speaker 10: Straight touchdown drive in the second half.

551
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Speaker 9: They just said, well, he wasn't good he wasn't good enough,

552
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Speaker 9: he wasn't his advertised He was also shaken off almost

553
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Speaker 9: two years of rust and came into the season in

554
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Speaker 9: week thirteen. Okay, he was going to have struggles. That

555
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 9: was essentially guaranteed to happen. So getting a week like

556
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Speaker 9: this with your teammates to where folks who are watchers thinking, man,

557
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Speaker 9: he's really spinning it. He's guys, they're they're developing a

558
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Speaker 9: really strong rapport. That's important. What's also important is that

559
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Speaker 9: the understanding is being developed between him and his receivers

560
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Speaker 9: in an offense that you know, the rumors regarding this

561
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Speaker 9: offense and how it might look and how it might

562
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Speaker 9: change had been you know, pretty wild the spectrum that

563
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Speaker 9: this has happened on because like we've had, you know,

564
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Speaker 9: people go so as far as to say they're gonna

565
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Speaker 9: go five wide empty backfield, and which prompted a bunch

566
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Speaker 9: of people in this town to say, trade Nick Chubb.

567
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Speaker 10: If you're not going to use them, which is obviously

568
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Speaker 10: not going to be the case.

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Speaker 9: But it's it's you know, kind of a glimpse of

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Speaker 9: what they might look like.

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Speaker 10: And more important than.

572
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Speaker 9: Anything, it's it's reps to get on the same page

573
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Speaker 9: because you have new additions in that receiving corp. You know,

574
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Speaker 9: last year was Amari Cooper and DPJ and basically David

575
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Speaker 9: Najoku tight end. Everybody else is just you know, David

576
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 9: Bell struggled to get healthy early in the season, Anthony

577
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Speaker 9: Schwartz still far way away from being a polished receiver.

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Speaker 9: You know, it just wasn't a strong group overall. So

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Speaker 9: you made the additions to the offense, and you got

580
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Speaker 9: the Elijah Moore, you got the Cedric Tillman in the draft,

581
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Speaker 9: you went and got a Marquise Goodwin. These are all

582
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Speaker 9: guys that need these reps. With the Seawan and DeShawn

583
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 9: needs these reps. Just get in the rhythm and approach

584
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Speaker 9: the season trying to hit the ground running from the start.

585
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Speaker 10: So it's super important.

586
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Speaker 9: Yes, I mean it is mini camp, like you said,

587
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Speaker 9: you know, for me, you take everything with the grain

588
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 9: of salt. Because they're in shorts, they're supposed to look

589
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 9: good right now. But getting those reps, getting an understanding

590
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Speaker 9: and feeling comfortable and changing the narrative regarding to Sean Watson,

591
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Speaker 9: I think is important. I don't know how much he's

592
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Speaker 9: paying attention to the outside perception, especially given what's happened

593
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Speaker 9: in the last few years. I don't know how much he

594
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Speaker 9: really cares about that. But for this town, you know,

595
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 9: everybody's gonna be optimistic about the Browns going in the season. Anyway,

596
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 9: for him to have a good session and not out

597
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 9: there throwing a bunch of interceptions is only really an

598
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Speaker 9: added boost.

599
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Speaker 2: Oh for sure, you know guy who jumped to us

600
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Speaker 2: and we knew about it, and just because in the

601
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: draft process we knew that AB and Kevin really liked

602
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Speaker 2: Elijah Moore in the process, so he is someone that

603
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: you know, we knew the organization liked. But at the

604
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Speaker 2: same time, you know until you see it. I had

605
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Speaker 2: Kevin on yesterday or rather Monday, on the show Nick

606
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: and asked him about him, and the first thing that

607
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: came to my mind, even before I asked us to

608
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: coach was, you know, Coach was in Minnesota when Percy

609
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: was there, and I'm not comparing the two directly, but

610
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Speaker 2: I do think that there is a way to use

611
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: Elijah in those type of things. So when you talk

612
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: about five wide, one thing we saw last week was

613
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: Elijah Moore next to DeShawn Watson. We saw him, you know,

614
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: in kind of that orbit formation and then go out

615
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Speaker 2: into the flat. So, and I asked Kevin about it

616
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: on Monday, he says, you know, we just wanted to

617
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Speaker 2: see everything he was capable of.

618
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Speaker 3: And you could tell Kevin's not one to.

619
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Speaker 2: Give you much right in terms of like specific details,

620
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: but you could tell he was pretty excited with what

621
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Speaker 2: Elijah Moore could be.

622
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Speaker 3: What were your thoughts on him.

623
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Speaker 2: Coming out and what do you make of what that

624
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: acquisition could be for the Browns?

625
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Speaker 9: Well, it's two things. First off, let's be honest here,

626
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Speaker 9: bo Elijah Moore would have been a first round pick.

627
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 4: In this draft.

628
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Speaker 9: Like this is not the strongest receiver class. I know

629
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Speaker 9: everybody loves JSN and everything else, but like talent wise,

630
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 9: he would have been a first round pick in this class.

631
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 9: He would not have been a second round pick. The

632
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 9: Browns got that guy for what was essentially a pick

633
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 9: swap right, take him off of what you might consider

634
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 9: the scrap heap where he saw out of favor in

635
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 9: New York for whatever reason, they had a number of

636
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 9: quarterbacks playing there. It's not like it was necessarily his fault.

637
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 9: This guy's very talented. He can stay healthy and involved.

638
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 10: In the offense.

639
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 9: I think he could be a great complimentary piece to

640
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 9: what they already had. He can be a playmaker.

641
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 10: He's a catch and run guy.

642
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 9: He's got you know, some some seriously elite speed. He

643
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 9: can be a big play guy down the field. He

644
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 9: could do a number of different things. And to hear him,

645
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 9: you know, working in a role where even he's in

646
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 9: the backfield, that's kind of a signal, which is the

647
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 9: other part of this response of where the NFL is headed.

648
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 9: Look at what the Chiefs did when they won a

649
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 9: Super Bowl.

650
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 10: You know that's they.

651
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 9: Score two touchdowns that way, you know, essentially with guys

652
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 9: like sky Moore.

653
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 10: On the outside.

654
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 9: So I think that you know, this is the way

655
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 9: the league is headed. It is a copycat league, and

656
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 9: I think Kevin Spacey is probably turnning over every stone

657
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 9: and figuring out how.

658
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 10: To maximize this offense.

659
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Speaker 9: Because when you go get a quarterback like Deshaun Watson,

660
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Speaker 9: you have to capitalize on his physical capabilities. It cannot

661
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 9: be we're gonna run gun and we're gonna hand off

662
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 9: to Nick Chubb and that's gonna be it. Now, you

663
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 9: got to get creative to really maximize it and make

664
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 9: this investment that the Browns has made in Watson worthwhile.

665
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 9: So adding a guy like More I'm a huge fan of.

666
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 9: When they made that trade, I was like, Oh, that's

667
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 9: a no brainer, that's a deal. They barely gave up

668
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 9: anything for him. Another win for Andrew Berry, and now

669
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 9: it's just a matter of proving him right, which I

670
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 9: fully expect will happen. I think we'll have a solid year.

671
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like it. If what we've seen in

672
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: the off scene is any indication you're a guy who

673
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: likes the lines of scrimmage, Andrew Berry went big game hunting,

674
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: and Isadarius Smith kind of came out of nowhere Dalvin

675
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: Tomlinson before that show. Come, I tell you, Maurice Hurst

676
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: turned some heads here over the course of the last

677
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: month or so, just physically, this was an impressive group

678
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: on the defensive side. Is it enough or do you

679
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: think that there's still one more maybe that needs to

680
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: be added by the time we get to camp.

681
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 9: No, Maurice Hurst was going to be a first round

682
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 9: pick before you know his physical reveal of a heart

683
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 9: concern which kind of contributed to his slide. So and

684
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 9: I think the fit in Bagas and he was there

685
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 9: necessarily wasn't the right fit for him. That was kind

686
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 9: of a weird roster in general, with Mike Mayock putting

687
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 9: that together.

688
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 10: So I'm not surprised at all to hear that from you.

689
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 9: I think that they've done enough. They've beid enough to

690
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 9: make me feel comfortable because at this time last year,

691
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 9: I think when we discussed this, I said that roster.

692
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 9: I was like, man, you do not have enough upfront.

693
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 9: You are going to get run through. And what do

694
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 9: they do?

695
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 10: They struggled to stop.

696
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 9: The run last year because you know, everybody in Cleveland

697
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 9: liked to focus on in the draft the linebacker position.

698
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 9: They didn't go get a linebacker.

699
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 10: What are they doing?

700
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 9: Well, it wasn't a good linebacker class. You're not just

701
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 9: gonna take guys a position because you feel like you haven't.

702
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 9: You're going to go for the talented guys that you

703
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 9: think can make the biggest impact for you. So I

704
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 9: think that you know, worrying about that is overblown. But

705
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 9: also I don't think it matters as much when you've

706
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 9: added so much.

707
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 10: Depth to your defensive interior.

708
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 9: You know the Dalvin Tomlinson types, the Mohurst types, of

709
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 9: the Tristan Hills, you know those types of guys that

710
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 9: having depth is what will turn you into a winner

711
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 9: defensively upfront, because as we know, it starts in the trenches.

712
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 10: And if you want an example, go.

713
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 6: Look at the Eagles.

714
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 9: They were they are too deep across the defensive line.

715
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 9: And they got there because in the middle of the

716
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 9: season they went and signed to Dominican Zu and win

717
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 9: Ball Joseph, two guys who made pretty significant impacts for

718
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 9: them along with everybody else they had up front. So

719
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 9: you go get Zadarius Smith. That's the starter quality edge

720
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 9: rusher that you need opposite Miles Garrett. I thought obok

721
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 9: or en quote was a great radition, but I knew

722
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 9: that they still needed to make another move. There another

723
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 9: excellent trade I think by Andrew Berry to get that

724
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 9: job done and bring over a guy who had ten

725
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 9: sacks last year coming off of an injury. Has been

726
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 9: very consistently productive over the last four years in his

727
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 9: career and should fit in really well with his hand

728
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 9: of the dirt opposite Miles Garrett. It allows you some

729
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 9: flexibility as well, and Jim Schwartz being equipped with all

730
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 9: these different players to really utilize that front seven as

731
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 9: he's known to do. I think he's going to help

732
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 9: him out so much because, honestly, I think their secondary

733
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 9: is better than people give them credit for it, and

734
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 9: it was a matter of them not understanding their roles

735
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 9: in the scheme under Joe Woods last year. If you

736
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 9: look at the next teen numbers, they do have been

737
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 9: the last week, last couple of weeks. Denzel Ward, Greg

738
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 9: Newsom and MG Anderson were all really good in man coverage.

739
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 9: It was in zone coverage where they got lost, which

740
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 9: is where a lot of the broken coverage happened last year.

741
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 9: So I think that the talent is there, it's about

742
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 9: getting them to fit and execute in the scheme. And

743
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 9: if there's anybody I want a task with doing that,

744
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 9: it's a veteran guy like Jim Schwartz who relies on

745
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 9: the front seven to get the job done and has

746
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,239
Speaker 9: more talent on the back end. Adam wan Thornhill than

747
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 9: folks realized, should make for a complete defense. Not saying

748
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 9: we're talking about the eighty five Bears, but it should

749
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 9: be better than it was last year because they're deeper

750
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 9: and there should be more organized than.

751
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 6: They were last year.

752
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Schwartz has been unbelievable. I mean, it's

753
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: exactly what the doctor ordered. You mentioned the man stats

754
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: with the secondary I mean they were aware of all

755
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: of that stuff, and that's what they were looking for,

756
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: is someone who would let these guys do what they

757
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 2: do best. I mean we spent some time. We'd see

758
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: Denzel Ward. You know a lot of times he was

759
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: covered in the slot doing coverage, so I mean that's

760
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: something that he hadn't done before. But he I mean

761
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: he's great at at Ohio State obviously, and he's the

762
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: guy who's most equipped to be able to do it.

763
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: But to see him doing that a little bit no

764
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: Ta's in mini camp, that's some exciting stuff to see.

765
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: So the potential is there. Certainly, Let's take it out

766
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: big picture and what has been an arms race in

767
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: the AFC this entire off season, understanding that it's all

768
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: contingent on Watson where does this one stack up in

769
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: the AFC for you?

770
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: This roster tough call.

771
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 9: That's a tough call because I'd probably hindered by the

772
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 9: fact that I live in Cleveland and here the top

773
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 9: of time, because optimism ran supreme this time a year,

774
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 9: no matter what city you're in the NFL, but especially

775
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 9: in Cleveland with the Browns, who who if according to

776
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 9: the average fan, will tell you they've had their most

777
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 9: talented roster since the eighties for you the.

778
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 10: Last four years.

779
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 9: But I actually do feel better kind of going back

780
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 9: to what we talked about defensively about this group than

781
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 9: I did a year ago.

782
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 10: They just have more depth, you know.

783
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 9: I look forward to guys like Jerome Ford maybe making

784
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 9: an impact here and there on the ground, you know,

785
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 9: spelling Nick Chubb.

786
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 10: I'd like to see what you know, they can do.

787
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 9: With some of the other playmakers on that side of

788
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 9: the ball. But there's not any visible holes on this roster,

789
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 9: which is something that I couldn't necessarily say at this

790
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 9: time last year. Now could come down the linebacker. But

791
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 9: I like the group that they have. I thought you

792
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 9: got a good year out of Taki Taki last year

793
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 9: before he got hurt, which was really encouraging to see.

794
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 9: So I don't see a ton of weaknesses. I don't

795
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 9: know necessarily that it's up there with the elites. And

796
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 9: I probably say that because of what you just said,

797
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 9: which is this is all you know, dependent on why and.

798
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 10: Whether he produces.

799
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 9: But if he does produce, I think they have enough

800
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 9: to compete with anybody. I mean, let's face it, this

801
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 9: is the team that took Kannesas City to the wire

802
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 9: a few years ago with a roster that was probably

803
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 9: worse than this one. It's just that this is going

804
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 9: to be a tougher conference.

805
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 6: Of course.

806
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 9: I mean, you go out west, You've got the Chargers,

807
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 9: You've got you know, the Chiefs. Denver would like to

808
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 9: say something, but I won't put any confidence in them

809
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 9: at this point. You got Miami, you got Buffalo. In

810
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 9: the East, you got the Jets. The Patriots kind of

811
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 9: want to be in that conversation. I'm spect I'm kind

812
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 9: of skeptical on the Jets, just because I think Aaron

813
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 9: Rodgers showed some minimal signs of decline last year and

814
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 9: I'm curious to see how he fits in there. But

815
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 9: they are expected to be good. The North is going

816
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 9: to be a bear. I think the Steelers are have

817
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 9: done a really good job in the offseason and positioning

818
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 9: themselves to get right back into the into the hunt

819
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 9: for the division. It's always a tough division anyway, and

820
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 9: then and then the South, you know, the Jags, the

821
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 9: upstart team, but I think it's going to be a

822
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 9: tough one to get through. I think for the Browns

823
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 9: that comes down to.

824
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 10: That first month of the season. If you can get

825
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 10: through that first.

826
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 9: Month of the season, you know, two and two, three

827
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 9: and one, then you're in a really good spot.

828
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 10: You get an early by week, you can reset from there.

829
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 9: So it's going to be a top road for sure.

830
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 9: But you have to feel pretty good about the state

831
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 9: of their rosters, better than it.

832
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 10: Was a year ago.

833
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm one of those people that does think

834
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: this is the best one they've had since the eighties.

835
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: I mean, because you look around and there just isn't.

836
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: There's not holes.

837
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: Like you said yourself, Okay, maybe I'd like to add

838
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: one more guy at the d tackle room, but I mean,

839
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: I like what I saw from Hurst and maybe you

840
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: don't need to there.

841
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: There just isn't.

842
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: I mean, people forget, like Anthony, what the defense was

843
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: once Anthony Walker got hurt. Last year was just an

844
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: incredible difference in terms of what they were capable of.

845
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 2: And all of that being said, shook, and I suppose

846
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 2: I'll get you out of here on this one.

847
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: It doesn't It.

848
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: Might not even be enough because of how tough the

849
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: damn AFC is. I mean, there's if you want to

850
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: talk about Cincinnati, Kansas City and Buffalo for sure all

851
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: wake up and say let's go win the super Bowl.

852
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: And there's probably more that think that way too, And

853
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: I think obviously the Browns feel like they're in that group.

854
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, Miami could have made an argument if they had

855
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 9: to a healthy also cluster and a guy led the

856
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 9: league and passerating in the first half of the season

857
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 9: before he got knocked out by some concussions and some

858
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 9: other health issues, So they could be in that conversation

859
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 9: as well. Don't they've gotten any worse in the offseason?

860
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 5: Uh?

861
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, you have the Jets to that conversation.

862
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 9: It's it's tough, like it's gonna be tough for sure,

863
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 9: But I mean, well, are you.

864
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 10: Gonna do right?

865
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 9: You're just saying, hey, we feel really.

866
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 10: Good about this roster.

867
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 9: The one thing you're not gonna do is It's not

868
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 9: gonna be two thousand and eight, and you're not gonna

869
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 9: have fans coming to training camp channing super Bowl. Because

870
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 9: the Browns won ten games, they missed the plaoffs the

871
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 9: year prior. That's the good thing. You know, there's reason

872
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 9: to be optimistic, but the expectations aren't gonna be too high.

873
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 9: What it really is going to be more than anything, though,

874
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 9: it's gonna be a test to Kevin Stefanski's coaching ability

875
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 9: because you know the last few years you've had some

876
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 9: built in excuses. Right, you know, you made the playoffs.

877
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 9: You want a playoff game in.

878
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 6: The COVID year.

879
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 9: Next year, Baker got hurt and it was kind of

880
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 9: an issue. The following year, Deshaun was out for most

881
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 9: of you and you're forced to play with k Kobe

882
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 9: pre said, there are no excuses.

883
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 6: Now.

884
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 9: This is not a season in which you can say, well,

885
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 9: this happened or this happened. Now he's got to prove it.

886
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 9: He's got to prove it, and if he can, then

887
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 9: then they'll be able to make the playoffs and make

888
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 9: some noise. And you hope that that's what happens.

889
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 10: If you're a brown fan.

890
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would acknowledge that as well. He would agree

891
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: with that that it's it's go time. There's that feeling

892
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: that it's go time, that everything is everything is in order,

893
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: and it's it's time to make a little bit of

894
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: a run. Always a pleasure to have you in great

895
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: news on the Madden front, buddy, Thanks for sharing that

896
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: with me. Means a lot.

897
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 9: I got more comment you stay, don't you worry.

898
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 2: I'll keep you locked in. Appreciate you, buddy, good talking

899
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Speaker 2: to you.

900
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Speaker 10: All right, Well, thanks for having me on.

901
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,960
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Speaker 2: now let's head back to the midi CAAMP podium. Assistant

913
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: offensive line coach Scott Peters with the breakdown of the

914
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 2: O line room. How cool was that to kind.

915
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 7: Of see him take that position and it got hurt

916
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 7: and just really run with it. It was awesome, And

917
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 7: it was really sad for Nick. You know, we we

918
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 7: love Nick, and uh, since just unfortunate he got injured

919
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 7: that way, but that's uh, but Ethan did such a

920
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 7: great job stepping up and filling in and you know,

921
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 7: learning the techniques and the system. So so we were

922
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 7: really pleased with it.

923
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: With Ken Wills, what are you looking for him?

924
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 11: Looking for from it?

925
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 7: You know, Jad's really uh, he's really grown up a

926
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 7: lot since he got here in twenty twenty and he's

927
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 7: just becoming a consummate professionals, just working at every detail

928
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 7: and all the details and just playing playing his best football.

929
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 7: So we're excited for him because he's he's starting to

930
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 7: look like really coming together a little bit. So so

931
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Speaker 7: it's uh, it's exciting.

932
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 12: He's had a good springtide Chris at that core, those

933
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 12: four starters together now for a couple of years. It's

934
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 12: just usual you know in this league.

935
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Speaker 4: Right, But.

936
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 13: Just how much better does that make that unit? The

937
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 13: fact that they have been together as long as they are.

938
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 13: I know, you had guys have to step in because

939
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 13: injury or whatever.

940
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Speaker 7: Right, it's a big thing for us. I mean we have,

941
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 7: you know, just the detail that's involved in our games.

942
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 7: We have to you know, when you when you have

943
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 7: a lot of new faces, it's tough to get everybody

944
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 7: have to speed. But when you get that continuity, you

945
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 7: can start to grow from it, and guys just understand

946
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 7: the mechanics better. They understand the techniques better, the calls,

947
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 7: just everything really really functions at a higher level.

948
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 14: And sorry with the kids are but yeah, with the

949
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 14: Sean because of his mobility, right, how do you I

950
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 14: guess coach these guys?

951
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 4: Uh and.

952
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 13: Preventing holding penalties, preventing the illegal man downfield stuff to

953
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 13: just seems to inherently come with a with a mobile quarterback.

954
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, we just got to stay in front of

955
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 7: our man. And it's as simple as that may sound.

956
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 7: We have to do in block for a long time

957
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 7: because we know DeShawn can make big plays late, you know,

958
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 7: so just being able to block forever and understand that

959
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 7: there's that moment when if he leaves the pocket that

960
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 7: we got to move our feet. You know, you can't

961
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 7: get caught where your hands are outside frame, So just

962
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 7: just kind of disciplined with the hands and maintaining maintaining

963
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 7: blocks and finishing forever and just kind of staying in

964
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 7: front of your man. As simple as that sounds, It's

965
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 7: not always as easy as it sounds, but that's that's stuff.

966
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 5: Like the goal.

967
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 4: So we've seen the side from one.

968
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Speaker 12: What else have you noticed in.

969
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 4: Whatever month and a half in Speners.

970
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 7: Duan's just he's coming along. I mean, he's a rookie,

971
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 7: so he's got a lot to learn and I think,

972
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 7: you know, learning our system. But he's made some strides there.

973
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 7: So it's just gonna be a process for him. Because

974
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 7: like any rookie, you know that stuff. But he's a

975
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 7: he's a big, powerful man. You know. If we can

976
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 7: get him the right you know, get get him on track,

977
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 7: I think it'll be be a great thing for us.

978
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: I know we look like you struggled that first day.

979
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 12: What you maybe camp from a maybe out of shape perspective,

980
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 12: is that something you guys can really stressing.

981
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think just being here for him, he

982
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 7: has improved in that field. I mean in terms of

983
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 7: his conditioning. I think it was a little bit of

984
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Speaker 7: a roode awakening for him the first day, you know,

985
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 7: when he when he got out here, because I think

986
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 7: obviously the tempo, the pace, the drills are drills. You know,

987
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 7: we challenge our guys in those drills. So you know,

988
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 7: I think that was a little bit uh an eye

989
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 7: opener for him. But he's adapted to it, so he's

990
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 7: continued on. It's just great. So we're hoping that he'll

991
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 7: just continue to get better and hopefully during this break

992
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 7: he'll come back and be even better shape.

993
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 5: What about Wepler, What have you seen from him?

994
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 7: But he looks a great kid. He works hard, he's

995
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 7: a smart kid, he's tough. He's getting better too. I mean,

996
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 7: these are you know, rookie's coming into this system with

997
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 7: our guys that have been here with vets, it's it's

998
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 7: it's kind of like an eye opener. But you know

999
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 7: it's good because they're adapting and they're adapting well. So

1000
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 7: we're hoping to be able to carry that into camp.

1001
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 4: When you talk about an eye opener. He's like, the

1002
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 4: attitude adjustment.

1003
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 7: Can that be an eye opener for com guys too?

1004
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 14: Uh.

1005
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a little bit of that. But I think

1006
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 7: most of it's just the volume. I mean, you have

1007
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 7: so much volume of information and the techniques that we

1008
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 7: coincide with that it's a very specific, very detailed and

1009
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 7: the number of calls that go into it. It's just

1010
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 7: more more volume in college. And I think the techniques are,

1011
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 7: like I said, coincide. You have to learn all the

1012
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 7: techniques that coincide, which makes it just that much more difficult.

1013
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 7: And I think the pace of our drills, I think

1014
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 7: that they uh, you know, it's a little eye opening

1015
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 7: for him.

1016
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 13: You know, you guys really can't get a sense of

1017
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 13: blind play until you guys put the pads on in

1018
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 13: training people. So I guess, just for you when you're

1019
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 13: talking about some of these young guys, the veterans, you

1020
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 13: know what you have, but you know, some of these

1021
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 13: young guys, I how do you, as a coach, I

1022
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 13: guess assess progress without them actually getting in the trenches.

1023
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 7: We get, yeah, we get a good assessment of their

1024
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 7: technical progress in the drills and you know, in the

1025
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 7: in the team periods which you can't go there's no contact,

1026
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 7: but we can certainly take the right for work the

1027
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 7: right step. So the mental side is the big thing,

1028
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 7: and obviously the physical they're not they haven't experience yet,

1029
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 7: which they will, and we try to let them know.

1030
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 7: It's like, you know, we're trying to prepare them for

1031
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 7: what they're about to deal with, which is they don't

1032
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 7: understand yet, but they will. But I think as long

1033
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 7: as they're kind of growing in the sense that they

1034
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 7: can understand what they're doing, and then you know, the

1035
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 7: game slows down a little bit as you learn more.

1036
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 7: So we're that's that was a goal for the off season,

1037
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 7: to try to get these guys to understand obviously their assignments,

1038
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 7: so we got to come going in the right place.

1039
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 7: There's no shortcut for getting the physical pads on. Yeah,

1040
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 7: and that's where we'll see, you know, but every rookie

1041
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 7: goes through it, and so adaptation.

1042
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 12: You know, what about James Hudson from last year this year,

1043
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 12: what kind of changes have you seen?

1044
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 9: It?

1045
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 7: Just another he's taking another step. I mean as far

1046
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 7: as his growth, he understands, uh, you know, this is

1047
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 7: a very important year for him and and uh, he's

1048
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 7: been here every day in the offseason, so we're pleased

1049
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 7: with that. And James is a great kid, and we're

1050
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 7: we're really hoping he can step up again this year.

1051
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 7: You were talking about Jed when I walked up.

1052
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 12: Is there a what's the next step there?

1053
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 7: Jed just just refining everything, just being more disciplined on

1054
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 7: his any and I think he's starting to do that

1055
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 7: where he understands the proper sets, the proper techniques, per

1056
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 7: given the situation, and then just winning every time, just

1057
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 7: winning and finishing.

1058
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 2: I mean I've talked to him a lot about the finishing.

1059
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's brought up, and he knows, he understands, Like

1060
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 12: have you seen him make strides?

1061
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 7: I have, I have. You know, we're happy with his

1062
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 7: progress this camp, and I think, you know, he understands

1063
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 7: what that means and really what that takes to become

1064
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 7: to take the next step because he's got the physical

1065
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 7: tools to do it. So we're hoping he can be

1066
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 7: one of the elite tackles if he just but you know, again,

1067
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 7: it's going to come down to those details and the finish,

1068
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 7: and I think he's he's done the right things here

1069
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 7: in the spring how would you and Bill?

1070
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 12: I know, every time Kevin talks since Bill and Scott

1071
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 12: and when we talked to Billy mentioned you, like, how

1072
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 12: have you guys developed?

1073
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 7: That relationship is kind of a t end you know.

1074
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 7: I'm just very fortunate to work with Bill. I mean,

1075
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 7: Bill's got all that knowledge and experience and just his

1076
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 7: just everything about him is just the highest level. And

1077
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 7: so he knows that I kind of when I got here,

1078
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 7: I brought a certain unique trade in terms of the

1079
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 7: technique and the handskills, so he's he's really always open

1080
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 7: to that. So it's been a great, great situation. I

1081
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 7: really look up the Bill and we've got a great

1082
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 7: rapport and I think a great, great team here with

1083
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 7: the guys, and I just couldn't be happier about that.

1084
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 12: Do you feel like your room's expanded beyond just the

1085
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 12: hand technician too much bigger?

1086
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was kind of the first thing I did.

1087
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 7: And then it's like, Okay, well you're a coach, You've

1088
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 7: got to do all of this stuff, which it's been

1089
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 7: this is my fourth year. So I feel great, you know,

1090
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 7: doing all of it, and so coach has certainly given

1091
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 7: me all the leeway to take more responsibility on and

1092
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 7: so that's been that's been a lot of fun. Excited

1093
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 7: about it.

1094
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Speaker 5: I'm starting to jump in here late.

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00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 14: Yeah, these guys are going to have to hold their

1096
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 14: blocks longer, right with with with Shaun?

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00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 5: And so what is the biggest challenge in doing that?

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00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 7: The biggest challenge is maintaining yourself and keeping yourself in

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00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 7: front of the man. And you know when you feel

1100
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 7: that edge, when when DeShawn moves out of the pockets,

1101
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 7: just keeping your body in front of him, keeping your

1102
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 7: hands inside and finishing forever.

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00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 14: But when a lot of times you're not gonna know

1104
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 14: where he is, right.

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00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 7: And yeah, if we had eyes in the back of

1106
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 7: our head, that would help, but we don't. I think

1107
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 7: in the end, it's it's knowing that you've got to

1108
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 7: stay in front of your man. And if you find

1109
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 7: that edge move, there's a moment in time when the

1110
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 7: defender you'll see him start to shift because his eyes shift.

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00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 7: We have to react to that. I'll talk a little bit,

1112
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 7: but I just mean, what are relief that We're very relieved. Yeah,

1113
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 7: we're so excited to have him back. He's just a

1114
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 7: great leader for us. He's a detailed guy. He works

1115
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 7: hard brings a great effort for a veteran like he is,

1116
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 7: just is all the level of detail in the work

1117
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 7: that he puts in is great. So he's always trying

1118
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 7: to work on his craft and he's a good, really

1119
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 7: good for our group, So we're excited we have him back.

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Speaker 2: All Right, good stuff there from assistant offensive line coach

1121
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: Scott Peters. We'll do little college football coming up at

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00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: the top of the hour. Good buddy Bill Bender will

1123
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: join us. In a tumultuous time in the sport and

1124
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: of course the ultimate minor league system, but it is

1125
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: being tested at the very very highest level. Bill will

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Speaker 2: add some perspective on that. Coming up next to listen

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Right second hour Here Cleveland Brown's Daily on a

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Speaker 2: first Friday edition of the program. Do a little college

1134
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: football with our good buddy Bill Bender. The Sporting News

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00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,840
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1137
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: Typically when you and I have conversations, they are in

1138
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: the morning, and they are very specific to the minutia

1139
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: that is college football for a broader audience that is

1140
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: made up primarily of Browns fans and NFL fans. And

1141
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: I get this all the time, and I'm sure you

1142
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: get it too.

1143
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: There's sometimes that.

1144
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: They're even unaware of exactly everything that is going on

1145
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: in college football. When you talk about name, image and

1146
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: likeness and free transfer and all of these things, I

1147
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: guess maybe start here, how did we get here in

1148
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: this sport where it is as chaotic as it appears

1149
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: to be for those who aren't and it is even

1150
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: those of us plugged in, it is that chaotic.

1151
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 6: Well, for the NFL fans out there, I think college

1152
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 6: football is trying to emulate the NFL one step.

1153
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 4: At a time.

1154
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 6: You know, transfer portal is a hybrid of free agency,

1155
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 6: nil they pay the players, I don't know if they'll

1156
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 6: have a salary cap. And now the schedule making, which

1157
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 6: is what I'm writing about now. With the SEC schedule

1158
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 6: release tonight, they need to follow an NFL like model.

1159
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 6: The NFL has one of the best schedule models out there.

1160
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 6: It's very simple. It's by place, and I think the

1161
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 6: Big Ten in the SEC probably need to take a

1162
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 6: look at that.

1163
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, you know college football is going towards

1164
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: the NFL, but it is dragging its heels and you're

1165
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: writing about the college foot the big the SEC schedule.

1166
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 2: We had the Big Ten schedule out last week. We've

1167
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: seen what Ohio State is doing in future schedules where

1168
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 2: quite frankly, they're playing nobody's in these non conference games.

1169
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: I'm a non pessimistic that they'll play Texas in twenty

1170
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: twenty five. I can't imagine Texas would want to do that.

1171
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: And when you look at the future schedules, you look

1172
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: at the Ohio State schedule in twenty twenty four, the

1173
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: non conference bill is largely laughable. So they're headed there,

1174
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: but it's sure as heck doesn't feel like they want

1175
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: to get there.

1176
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of like this is not a perfect comparison,

1177
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 6: but imagine if the Cleveland Browns played the Michigan Panthers

1178
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 6: and the you know, the New Jersey Generals to start

1179
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 6: their season. That's how I feel sometimes when a Power

1180
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 6: five school plays an FCS school. You know, I don't

1181
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 6: know how many times I've texted my buddies and I'm like,

1182
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 6: why am I watching Ohio State score seventy seven points?

1183
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 6: I know they're good, I know they want to execute,

1184
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 6: but why are we watching this?

1185
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: So?

1186
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 6: I think it will lead the more competitive games. You

1187
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 6: and I have discussed the possibility. Maybe down the road.

1188
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 6: I think they should do a ten game conference schedule.

1189
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 5: Agree, I would be more.

1190
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 6: The more teams you add, the more conference games you have.

1191
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 3: To play well.

1192
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: And furthermore, in the Big Ten, like, let's just call

1193
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: it what it is. The bottom of that league is garbage.

1194
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: There's plenty of cupcakes built into your conference.

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00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: Bill, oh for sure.

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00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 6: And I mean, you know with Ohio State, their twenty

1197
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 6: four and twenty five schedule is out. And I had

1198
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Speaker 6: one of my editors telling me, well, why are you know?

1199
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Speaker 6: He got he's an SEC guy to be there. But

1200
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 6: he was like, well, why aren't they playing USC every year?

1201
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 6: And I was like, why would they play USC every year?

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00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 6: They've got to protect the Michigan game. They should have

1203
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 6: protected the Penn State game. And I don't think I

1204
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 6: think the fair part of it is the state doesn't

1205
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 6: have to go out to USC every year. You know,

1206
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 6: depending on how the schedule breaks, that's a lot of travel.

1207
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Speaker 6: Especially for UCLA. That would be like the Browns playing

1208
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 6: the NFC West and the AFC West in the same season.

1209
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is something which always gets us

1210
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: back and that's probably the next logical place to go.

1211
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: As when you're having all this discussions is you know,

1212
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: there are probably people out there who hear what you

1213
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: just said and say, oh, wait, a second US season

1214
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: the Big Ten not yet, but they will be in

1215
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. That is where we're headed. Those two

1216
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 2: teams are in. Logistically, it's a nightmare. You've seen obviously

1217
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: the UCLA schedule in twenty twenty four in terms of

1218
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: the amount of travel they're.

1219
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 5: Going to take.

1220
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Speaker 2: And yet the Big Ten commissioner of the new boss, Patiti,

1221
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: was out last week. Feels like he's got a lot

1222
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: of mess to clean up. Everybody wants to know, is

1223
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,959
Speaker 2: they're more expansion coming. It does feel like the Big

1224
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: Ten and the SEC are willing to kind of hang

1225
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: out now a little bit, doesn't it?

1226
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 6: It does, But then you read a report about the

1227
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 6: SEC would entertain Florida State, but not Miami. So the

1228
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 6: second I read that, and I'm like, well, I'm Tony Pettitia,

1229
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 6: I go ad Miami. Why not if we've you know,

1230
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go add North Carolina. I'm going to call

1231
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 6: not you know what, I'm not gonna call Notre Dame.

1232
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 6: I'm gonna make Notre Dame call. That's it and and

1233
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 6: then go from there.

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00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: That's exactly it. That's that's really the last thing that

1235
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 2: Big Ten really want. Others Miami. I know they would

1236
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: have an interest in North Carolina and probably Virginia.

1237
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: They might have some interest.

1238
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 2: You know, at maybe a discount rate at giving USC

1239
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 2: and UCLA some dance partners out west of maybe Oregon

1240
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: and Washington or Stanford and cow But.

1241
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 3: It really is Notre Dame.

1242
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: And look, there's a lot of Notre Dame fans in

1243
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: the state of Ohio, a ton of them here in

1244
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 2: northeast Ohio.

1245
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 3: And this is the position that I've.

1246
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: Never understood why the Big Ten hasn't taken, which is,

1247
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: we won't play you if you don't join our conference

1248
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: and try putting together a Notre Dame schedule without USC

1249
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: and Michigan and Michigan State and Purdue and all that

1250
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: they play Ohio State this year. How do you That

1251
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 2: can't be what the Irish fan base wants?

1252
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 6: Bill Right, And I've never so full disclosure. I'm a

1253
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 6: twelve year Catholic school kid. I've got a lot of

1254
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 6: Catholic buddies, Notre Dame fans on my threats. Right, I'm friends,

1255
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 6: best friends with all these guys, and a lot of

1256
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 6: them are Notre Dame fans. And I've parroted that exact

1257
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 6: same speech. I said, if I'm the Big ten, it

1258
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 6: shouldn't be a open invitation. It should be this is

1259
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 6: your last invitation.

1260
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

1261
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 6: And you can't even the most independent believing Notre Dame

1262
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 6: fans cannot tell me with a straight face that the

1263
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 6: games against Michigan and Michigan State and Ohio State and

1264
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 6: even Purdue. You can't tell me those aren't amazing and

1265
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 6: hide behind Navy.

1266
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 4: You can't.

1267
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 2: No, they can't, they can't.

1268
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: They can't.

1269
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: And now that US season the league, that's their greatest rival.

1270
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: If you take that away from them, what exactly or

1271
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: who are they playing? Stanford and Clemson and the Service

1272
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: academies like that's not go to get it done, not

1273
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: to their alumni base, not close. I've never understood it,

1274
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 2: never understood why they don't do that. You're talking about scheduling,

1275
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 2: and you kind of went over this a little bit earlier,

1276
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: but I wanted to dig down on a little bit.

1277
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: And I don't know how many Buckeye fans up here

1278
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: in northeast Ohio are even aware of this.

1279
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 3: Penn State's not.

1280
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: Going to be on the schedule every year there is.

1281
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: Penn State has played Ohio State every year since they've

1282
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: been in the league, and that will come to an

1283
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: end in twenty twenty five. My understanding of it, Bill,

1284
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: and tell me if you've heard different, is that Ohio

1285
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: State assumed that Penn State would put Ohio State as

1286
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: the rival. Ohio State put Michigan is the one that

1287
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: they wanted to play. They assumed that Penn State would

1288
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: be the same, and is my understanding that Penn State

1289
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: did not, and then neither Ohio State nor Penn State

1290
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, we really want to play each other,

1291
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: which is stupefying to me.

1292
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 6: It's unbelievable because of the two states we're dealing with

1293
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 6: the high school football presence in both the natural rivalry

1294
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 6: they'd created. It's it's the college version of the Browns

1295
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 6: and Steelers. It's amazing to watch that game every year.

1296
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 6: I can understand why Michigan wouldn't do it, because Michigan

1297
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 6: does have the Michigan State rivalry as a compliment to

1298
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 6: the Ohio State rivalry. It just made no sense to

1299
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 6: me that Penn State doesn't have a protected rival if

1300
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 6: they wouldn't play that game every year it's been I mean,

1301
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 6: if we stacked them up both the last ten Penn

1302
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 6: State Ohio State games as a whole, it's probably better

1303
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 6: than the last ten Michigan Ohio State games for sure.

1304
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could go back, honestly, fifteen years probably. I

1305
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: mean I've been on the Ohio State paying attention to

1306
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: High State since O seven. That's consistently been the better game.

1307
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, the last ones, the last few have

1308
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: been good. There's the sixteen game was great, Like there's

1309
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 2: a couple of them out there, but largely the Ohio

1310
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: State Michigan games have been there was a big stretch

1311
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: from where they were beat downs. So yeah, this is

1312
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 2: it is one that is certainly worthy of it, and

1313
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 2: I think it was a disservice of the league to

1314
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: not make sure that that game has continued to be played.

1315
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 3: Frankly, Bill, I'm a little surprised that.

1316
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: The television partners didn't say, Hey, we demand that game,

1317
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: because that's all this is. It's all just television shows.

1318
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I mean that's what I was saying when

1319
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 6: I was arguing with my editor about USC. I was like, well,

1320
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 6: Penn State's Ohio State's a more important game, and U

1321
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 6: c l a USC. I think part of the reason

1322
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 6: the Big Ten isn't necessarily bending to the will of

1323
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 6: USC is you look at the TV numbers from that

1324
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 6: one last year. That's a huge PAC twelve Classic rivalry

1325
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 6: and it only drew like four point five million. So

1326
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 6: that's what that's. Ohio State, Michigan State maybe maybe maybe so.

1327
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 6: So they're they're gonna have to earn their stripes from

1328
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 6: the Big Ten, and much like Nebraska, there might be

1329
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 6: a little bit of an identity crisis along the way,

1330
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 6: but they'll, like I think, they'll just hide behind and

1331
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 6: they'll never say it out loud, But we took the money,

1332
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 6: We're all right.

1333
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: That's exactly why they did it. And they took it

1334
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: because the pack twelve is crumbling. It still doesn't have

1335
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: a television deal going forward. Meantime, you mentioned you're gonna

1336
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: write about scheduling the SEC with sixteen teams in its league.

1337
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: They're gonna unveil their opponents tonight and they're gonna stay

1338
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: at eight games. Are you surprised by that?

1339
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 6: I think it's just weak, and I hope they figure out.

1340
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 6: If it's a TV money grab to get the ninth game, fine,

1341
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 6: but they'd better get to nine soon because I think

1342
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 6: in the twelve team era, if let's just run this down,

1343
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 6: if Old Miss goes nine to three and Penn or

1344
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 6: Wisconsin goes nine and three and it's for that final

1345
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 6: playoff spot, I would give it to Wisconsin based on

1346
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 6: nine games in the conference, no question. So I think

1347
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 6: they'll have to do that. I think what you're gonna

1348
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 6: see tonight and some of it's been league, is they

1349
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 6: are going to roll out Texas as their new prom

1350
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 6: king or prom queen, whatever you want to call it,

1351
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 6: because they're gonna give them the Georgia game. They're gonna

1352
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 6: have the Texas saying I am glad. One thing I

1353
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 6: am glad about both is Texas Texas A and M

1354
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 6: is back, and that's one of the best rivalries in

1355
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 6: college football. They're real excited about that.

1356
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: Well, there's Vichery all there.

1357
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 4: Bill.

1358
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: I mean, they hate each other, so that's just deep

1359
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: seated hate. And I understand why they're and let's do

1360
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: a little bit of on field stuff. I get why

1361
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: they're gonna roll out Texas. Texas is gonna go QUINNI

1362
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: yours into arch Manning. I mean, you want to talk

1363
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 2: about glamour. If Steve Sarkeys, you can keep it between

1364
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: the navigational beacons. They're going to be one of the

1365
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 2: glamor teams in the country in the next couple of years.

1366
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 6: Well, Brett McMurphy tweeted it out today, the top generating

1367
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 6: revenue programs in college football and one is Ohio State,

1368
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 6: no surprise there. Two is Texas yep. And people will

1369
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 6: be like, well, how is that possible? They lose five

1370
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 6: games every year? Amazing, They're an amazing revenue generating machine.

1371
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 6: They have a ton of talent that's been talked about

1372
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 6: and I think, of course, so Oklahoma will kind of

1373
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 6: be the school that I'm going to be watching to

1374
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 6: see who they put them up with. Georgia is gonna

1375
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 6: have a very tough schedule in twenty twenty four. They're

1376
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 6: playing Alabama on the road. But I have in the

1377
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 6: nice game. I don't think what the Big ten did

1378
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 6: was perfect. I don't think what the SEC has done

1379
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 6: as perfect. I hope they get to nine each and

1380
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 6: a more consistent model as we get into that twelve

1381
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 6: team playoff era A couple more.

1382
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: Is this Harbaugh's best team at Michigan.

1383
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 6: We'll see, We'll see how he plays it. I think

1384
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 6: it's certainly the most talent they've had in the backfield.

1385
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 6: I mean, there's one glaring thing with Michigan that I

1386
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 6: think shows up in the playoff and in the games

1387
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 6: that really matter, is where's the Braylen Edwards at. That's

1388
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 6: probably the wrong receiver to bring up on a Cleveland

1389
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 6: radio show, but.

1390
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 3: You know what, he's Donovan People's Jones. We like him

1391
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 3: a lot.

1392
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 6: Yet where's the DPJ?

1393
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1394
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 6: You know, they haven't had a first round pick at

1395
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 6: receiver since Brailin. So it's one of those things where

1396
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 6: I think that's the position I'm looking at everywhere else.

1397
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 6: Pretty solid, going to be very good, and as we've

1398
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 6: seen the last couple of years. Oh how State and

1399
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 6: Michigan have kind of built themselves to beat each other

1400
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 6: and it's on Ohio State to go up Dan Arbor

1401
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:03,959
Speaker 6: and in that two game losing streak.

1402
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk Bouck guys real quickly then when you talk,

1403
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: because my feeling is is that the quarterback thing is

1404
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 2: more of a formality than anything else. So I guess

1405
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: the question is Kyle McCord good enough to pilot that thing?

1406
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: Because they have everything else. You could argue they have

1407
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: the best skill position talent in the country. In fact,

1408
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's much of an argument. I

1409
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: think they have it by quite a wide margin.

1410
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, Kyle McCord's upside is a first round pick I

1411
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 6: had thrown to all those guys Heisman Trophy finalists, like

1412
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 6: the last three starters. Now, if you watch the spring game,

1413
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 6: if there's an area, if it's Michigan, its receiver, if

1414
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 6: it's Ohio State, the offensive line. Something that's going to

1415
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 6: get a lot of over analysis early in the season

1416
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 6: because you lose two NFL tackles you're gonna have to

1417
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 6: protect and you know, but the skill position talents loaded,

1418
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 6: the defense will be under the microscope again based on

1419
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 6: you know what, the more I think about it, those

1420
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 6: big time college football games, more often than not anymore,

1421
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 6: they become shootouts. So they do all on Ohio State's defense.

1422
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 6: You've got to score thirty five to forty points to

1423
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 6: win a big time game.

1424
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 3: I think they I know this for a fact.

1425
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: Ryan Day going into the game against Georgia felt that

1426
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 2: for them to beat Georgia, they had to score in

1427
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 2: the forties, like that was the minimum requirement, nothing short

1428
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: of forty. And I think he feels that way. When

1429
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: they play. They don't play like opponents much. I mean,

1430
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: Michigan obviously has gotten him the last two years, but

1431
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 2: when they play like talent, the feeling is is you've

1432
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: got to be in the forties. So really, what you

1433
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: need out of your defense is one stop, one red

1434
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: zone stop that forces a touchdown into a field goal attempt,

1435
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: one stop right before half. That's really all they need

1436
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: out of that defense. They don't need They don't need

1437
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: the silver bullets.

1438
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 6: Back or as a couple of turnovers like they did

1439
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter of Penn State whereat Suey Moloyle

1440
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 6: went off the one man show. So the defense, I'm

1441
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 6: willing to. We'll see what happens. There's a lot of

1442
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 6: NFL talent on both sides. There's a lot of guys

1443
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 6: that'll probably be on the Browns radar next year on

1444
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 6: both sides of the ball.

1445
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: Get you out of here on this one. You know,

1446
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: it feels like every year is like, well, wait, do

1447
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 2: you see the quarterbacks in this draft? This one has

1448
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 2: that feeling to it with Williams at the top and

1449
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: Drake made the kid out of North Carolina. Obviously we

1450
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: hear at the Browns won't be in the quarterback pursuit,

1451
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 2: but it could shake up.

1452
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 3: The way the draft is viewed.

1453
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: What do you make of this crop of quarterbacks that

1454
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: are going to be available in next year's draft?

1455
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 6: Oh, it's going to be a lot more attractive than

1456
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 6: this year was because we haven't even got into the

1457
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 6: X factor guys. Yes, May and Williams are great, Michael

1458
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,919
Speaker 6: Pennant's out at Washington's fantastic playmaker. And then the two

1459
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 6: high upside guys we just you mentioned one of them,

1460
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 6: quinn Ewers. Yeah, and then Joe Milton at Tennessee, who

1461
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 6: has been in college forever, has a strong arm. If

1462
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 6: he's accurate, in that Tennessee system this year. He's another

1463
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 6: one that's going to get a look. And that's not

1464
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 6: even like we get to see Shader Sanders at Colorado.

1465
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 6: It is a low quarterback class and we're going to

1466
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 6: write a lot about those guys in the coming year.

1467
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,479
Speaker 2: Milton is a GE's funny mentioned Milton. I saw video

1468
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 2: going around to him this week about you know, basically

1469
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 2: flicking at sixty yards and I had forgotten about him

1470
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: and his arm talent because he's been at Tennessee for

1471
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: a while and was behind Hendon Hooker. But he's there

1472
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: waiting and he's been in that hype of offense now

1473
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 2: for what is it three years, Bill.

1474
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 6: I think he was at Michigan for three years.

1475
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 3: So it sounds like, yeah.

1476
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 6: He's got the I always make the Uncle Rico joke

1477
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 6: quib Yeah, he could throw the ball over them mountains,

1478
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 6: and you know, we'll see if he can. But there

1479
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 6: there's a lot of different kind of talent in this class,

1480
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 6: and the fact that we barely talk about Caleb Williams.

1481
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 6: I mean, he's a returning Heisman winner, He's got a

1482
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 6: ridiculous skill set and more of the same, he's an

1483
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 6: overwhelming favorite to repeat his Heisman winner.

1484
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, which we haven't had obviously, only one, only Arch

1485
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: has done it. And so many of these quarterbacks are

1486
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 2: winning it earlier, but they haven't been able to do

1487
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 2: it in the second year because the standard is so much.

1488
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 2: This is the crazy thing about college football, Bilchway, you

1489
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: love it.

1490
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 3: I love it.

1491
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: There's so much drama off the field and so much

1492
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: soap opera, but the on field product is still pretty

1493
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: damn great. Great talking to you is always my friend.

1494
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 6: Oh I enjoy every one of our conversations. Thanks so

1495
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 6: much for having me.

1496
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: Take care all right, the great Bill Bender the Sporting

1497
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,520
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1499
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Speaker 2: Keep it twisted Cleveland, all right. Coming up next, we'll

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Speaker 2: go around the NFL, so big news out of Buffalo.

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Speaker 15: A very happy now to be joined by a great

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Speaker 15: friend of the show and quite frankly, just friend in general,

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Speaker 15: Jordan Kunashik, Brown's linebacker.

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Speaker 8: Jordan's going on, brother.

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Speaker 5: What's up Nathan doing well? Man, It's great to be

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Speaker 5: out here with you.

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01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 15: It's great to be here with you. We were talking earlier.

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01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,439
Speaker 15: It's like, cow, we brought Cali with us out here

1514
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 15: to Cleveland. You said, your family back home and Calli's

1515
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 15: complain it's too hot there. This is this is perfect?

1516
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 8: Are you telling some of the new guys like this

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01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 8: isn't how it always is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

1520
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 16: It's interesting because a lot of people who I talk

1521
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 16: to who are from Ohio, they say, oh, man, this

1522
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 16: is I'm like, what are you talking about. As far

1523
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 16: as I've been out here, I love the weather. Is

1524
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 16: it reminds me of California a lot.

1525
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1526
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 8: Not in January or February or December, November.

1527
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 16: Yeah, Well, you know, I get to escape during those months.

1528
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 16: I go back home to California after the season. So

1529
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 16: I'm here for the good months and enjoy the nice

1530
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 16: warm weather.

1531
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 15: Well, hopefully this year you're here through February mid February,

1532
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 15: right as this team. As you can tell, this is

1533
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 15: a talented football team.

1534
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 16: Yeah, very talented. When you look at the roster from

1535
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 16: offensive side of the ball, defense side of the bar,

1536
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 16: it's really really looks good and it's a practice has

1537
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 16: been fun. You see a lot of the playmakers we

1538
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 16: have on offense and on defense. We're meshing together and

1539
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 16: improving every single day, So it's a joy.

1540
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 15: Do you think given your kind of history and the

1541
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 15: fact that you have been on a few teams now

1542
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 15: that coming in with a new defensive system that's something

1543
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 15: you're used to having to acclimate yourself to, does that

1544
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 15: give you a little bit of an advantage?

1545
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 16: Do you think, Well, you know, I've been well, I've

1546
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 16: had a lot of defensive coordinators and a lot of

1547
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 16: defensive schemes really ever since college and college. I went

1548
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 16: to community college, played one system there. When I got

1549
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 16: to Cal I played two systems there. My rookie year,

1550
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 16: I played a new system. My second year, new coaching

1551
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 16: staff came in, new system. Then I was with another organization,

1552
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 16: new system came here last year, new system. I mean,

1553
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,479
Speaker 16: I've every single year is the longest I've been in

1554
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 16: a defensive system since college has been two seasons, so

1555
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 16: I've really learned how to grasp a defense. And in

1556
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 16: the beginning, it's really about just transferring the terminology. You know,

1557
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 16: a play call one way, but now you have to

1558
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 16: reprogram your brain to know it as a different name.

1559
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 16: And there's a little bit of different nuances with that

1560
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 16: within each scheme, but there's a lot of similarities.

1561
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 15: That's got an You drop on those and it's like

1562
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 15: you learn the language. And once you have that, you're like, yeah,

1563
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 15: I know how to play, I know my drops, and

1564
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 15: I know what I'm supposed to do and my run

1565
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 15: fits and all of that. So how cool is it

1566
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 15: for you that you know, Jim Schwartz has already singled

1567
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 15: you out, came out wearing the fifty one?

1568
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 8: What did that mean to you? Did you know and

1569
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 8: did you know he was going to do that?

1570
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 16: Well, I didn't know that he was going to do that,

1571
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 16: but he did call me up in front of the

1572
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 16: team defensive meeting and he asked me to share my story.

1573
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 16: And I got to stand in front of the team

1574
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 16: and give a quick, little three minute story about my life,

1575
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 16: about who I am, what's most important to me, and

1576
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 16: a little bit about my football journey. And I just

1577
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 16: shared how the most important thing to me is my faith.

1578
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,919
Speaker 16: It's my relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. And additional

1579
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 16: on top of that, my journey in the NFL has

1580
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 16: been quite unconventional. I've been cut, I've been on practice squad,

1581
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 16: I've been employed, I've been not employed, And so I

1582
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 16: think I have a different perspective than a lot of

1583
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 16: these men. And really I understand the blessing and the

1584
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 16: opportunity that it is to be in the NFL locker room.

1585
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 16: And when you're outside of the building and you don't

1586
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 16: have those privileges, you're just wanting to get back in

1587
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 16: the organization so you can have an opportunity to continue

1588
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 16: to improve. It's a lot easier to improve when you're

1589
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 16: getting great coaching rather than when you're at home at

1590
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 16: the park with your little brothers. And that's what I

1591
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 16: was doing last summer. And so I just have a

1592
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 16: different perspective, and really, every single day I'm really grateful

1593
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 16: to be out here, and I try to make the

1594
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 16: most of every chance that I get because I know

1595
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 16: that the NFL stands for not for long, and I

1596
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 16: just want to cherish and every moment that I get

1597
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,480
Speaker 16: playing here in the in the NFL.

1598
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 8: So let's go back last summer.

1599
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 15: You said you're going out on like a playground with

1600
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 15: your brothers, getting your practice in, and then you get

1601
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 15: the call here and I remember you came in and

1602
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 15: I want to say, there wasn't even a week before

1603
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 15: the first game, if I'm remembering it correctly, And then

1604
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 15: you went out and made a bunch of plays in

1605
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 15: that game and it was obvious, and you know, calling

1606
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 15: the game every time. I was fifty one, like, Kanashik's

1607
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 15: doing it again. You're great on special teams. You know

1608
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 15: what was that kind of period like where you came in.

1609
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 15: You came into a room that a lot of established

1610
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 15: linebackers in it and guys and draft picks of this

1611
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 15: organization in it, and came in and made that impact

1612
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 15: to the point where it was like, yeah, Jordan Kanashik's.

1613
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 8: Going to be a Cleveland Brown.

1614
01:09:58,840 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1615
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 16: So that summer, it was interesting because it was really

1616
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 16: the first time that I had been home for that

1617
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 16: long of a stretch really before college. And so I

1618
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 16: got cut from Washington on May sixteenth, right after Phase

1619
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 16: one of OTA's last season, and so I was on

1620
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 16: the streets for until August thirteenth, where or August twelfth,

1621
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 16: I think is when I got signed here. So it

1622
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 16: was really a cool opportunity for me to really show

1623
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 16: my little brothers what it looks like to work hard.

1624
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 16: And they have dreams and they have goals, and I

1625
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 16: want to show them that, hey man, it takes a

1626
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 16: lot of hard work. So I was going to the

1627
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 16: park and I was bringing them out there with me,

1628
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 16: and I'm grinding and focused, but I'm also having a

1629
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 16: fun time and showing them what it looks like and

1630
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 16: helping coach them. And there was a lot of times

1631
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 16: where my patients was being tested because I'm explaining a

1632
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 16: drill to them and then they're not doing it and

1633
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 16: I'm tired and I'm huffing and puff and then I'm man,

1634
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 16: you guys got to listen to me. But it was

1635
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 16: a really cool opportunity for me to grow in that

1636
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 16: element of my walk with just patients. And I got

1637
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 16: the phone call here I had to work out. We

1638
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 16: had a game three days later against Jacksonville, so I

1639
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 16: got I got one practice and I didn't get any

1640
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 16: reps in practice, and I remember we flew to Jacksonville.

1641
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 16: We went bowling as a team activity, and we were

1642
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 16: playing in a game. I think that next day or

1643
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 16: two days later. I'm just studying and and I got

1644
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 16: the green dots. So I'm the mic, so I'm making

1645
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 16: all the checks and all the calls, and so I

1646
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 16: just like I said earlier, I just understood what the

1647
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 16: concept of the defense was, and I just had to

1648
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 16: reprogram my brain. So for that first game, they would,

1649
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 16: you know, give up a play called Indiana, and I'm thinking, oh,

1650
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 16: that's silver. You know how I thought about it in

1651
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 16: the past. So until that's kind of how I learned

1652
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 16: the system, until I'm able to transfer the verbiage in

1653
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 16: a way in which I'm like, Okay, now when I

1654
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 16: get a cover three call, I know this is what

1655
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 16: it's called.

1656
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 15: So you did that, and you obviously had a good preseason.

1657
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 15: Did that I think? I know Coach Tarver loves you,

1658
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 15: and we'll talk about that in a second, But did

1659
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 15: that kind of open their eyes where you come in.

1660
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 8: You did that to just show you're a professional.

1661
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 15: And that's a word that I've talked to Coach Schwartz,

1662
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 15: I've talked to Bubba Ventrone, I've talked to Tarvor. That's

1663
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 15: the word that you are a professional in every sense

1664
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 15: of the way. So do you think that you coming

1665
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 15: in under that adversity and showing them, do you think

1666
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 15: that has a lot bigger reason to do why you're

1667
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 15: still here And we'll talk about what your role has

1668
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 15: been so far this year.

1669
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1670
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 16: I think that anytime that a player comes into a

1671
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 16: new organization where nobody really knows much about you, it

1672
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 16: gives you an opportunity, opportunity to really showcase who you

1673
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 16: are as a person, who you are as a player,

1674
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 16: and who you are as a professional. And that was

1675
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 16: one of the things in which when I was on

1676
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,520
Speaker 16: the streets I was really praying for, was an opportunity

1677
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 16: to be a part of an organization where there was

1678
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 16: no prior experience with me because my rookie year, I

1679
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 16: came in too Carolina and that coaching staff went to

1680
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 16: Washington that next year, and then I played the next

1681
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 16: two years in Washington, and a lot of the front

1682
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,560
Speaker 16: office went as well, and I had an incredible experience,

1683
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 16: and I love coach Riveria and Coach Russ, my linebacker's coach.

1684
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 16: But I really wanted a fresh start, and I came

1685
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,839
Speaker 16: to an organization and I don't think that there's anybody

1686
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 16: in this organization who had been a part of the

1687
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 16: Carolina or Washington organization. So I really came here and

1688
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 16: I just put my head down to work, and I'm

1689
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 16: not trying to win the approval of man, I'm not

1690
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 16: trying to win the approval of any of the coaches.

1691
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 16: I'm just really out here with my eyes focused on

1692
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 16: pleasing the Lord and working hard for him. And when

1693
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 16: I do that, You're gonna get more out of me

1694
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 16: rather than me trying to work hard for a coach

1695
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 16: or another teammate of mine. And so the byproduct of

1696
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 16: me focusing on working hard for Jesus is You're gonna

1697
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 16: get the most out of me. And so that's that's

1698
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 16: really what my intention and that's what my focus is.

1699
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 8: What's your relationship been like with Coach Tarver?

1700
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 15: Because he loves you like I know, you know that

1701
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 15: he loves you like he just loves everything about the

1702
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 15: way you approach the game. And I think in many ways,

1703
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 15: like through his minds, he loves ball so much that

1704
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 15: like he wishes he could be out there being you.

1705
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 8: You know what I mean.

1706
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 16: You know, it's been such a joy to be able

1707
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 16: to play for coach Tarvor.

1708
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 5: He is a grinder.

1709
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 16: I mean, I'm here late, and he's here later than me,

1710
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 16: and I you know, he's got his he's got his

1711
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 16: vehicle in the parking lot. So I'm like, oh, Tarv

1712
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 16: is still here. And we got a lot of coaches

1713
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 16: on the staff who put in an incredible amount of

1714
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 16: time and an incredible amount of work so that we

1715
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 16: could come out here and play the best that we can.

1716
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 16: And it's been a real joy to be able to

1717
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 16: play for him. And like I said, I really want to,

1718
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 16: I really care. I'm really conscientious, I'm really diligent in

1719
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 16: my craft and in my studies. And for me, I

1720
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 16: think it's because my journey has always been a similar way.

1721
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 16: I didn't have any scholarships out of high school. I

1722
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 16: started at the bottom, went to junior college, started at

1723
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 16: the bottom of the roster, earned my way to the top.

1724
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 16: Went to cal started at the bottom, earn my way

1725
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 16: to the top. Came in undrafted. Sometimes you're only getting

1726
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,799
Speaker 16: six reps in practice, you know, when there's forty plays,

1727
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 16: and it's like when you're coming in and you only

1728
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 16: have a small amount of opportunities. It's interesting because you're

1729
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 16: expected to you get a lot of less grace, you

1730
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 16: get a lot of less opportunities, and you don't get

1731
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 16: as many opportunities to make mistakes. So one thing I've

1732
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 16: learned is a difference between renting a mistake and buying

1733
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 16: a mistake. And Coach Rivera in Washington used to always

1734
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 16: talk about this. When you rent a mistake, you watch

1735
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 16: somebody else make a mistake and you try to learn

1736
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 16: from it. When you buy a mistake, you're the one

1737
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 16: that's on the on the film being taught off of.

1738
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 16: And so when you're not getting as many reps, you

1739
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 16: try to rent and learn as much as you can.

1740
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 16: And so for me, when i come out here to practice, man,

1741
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 16: I'm having fun, but I'm also locked in and walkthroughs,

1742
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 16: I'm locked in. I'm watching my teammates and how they're

1743
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 16: how they're going about their business. I'm very observant in

1744
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 16: all capacities when I'm here, and man, it's like when

1745
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 16: I'm here, I'm focused. There's there's an objective to be here,

1746
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 16: you know. The objective is to win, and really win

1747
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 16: in every single element that I do in the weight room,

1748
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 16: in the film room and meeting room, on the field,

1749
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 16: every rep like, that's the mindset is I desire to

1750
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 16: win and in order to do that, I got to

1751
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 16: be locked in.

1752
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 8: Well, you are locked in.

1753
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 15: And I was talking with coach Tarver yesterday and he

1754
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 15: said that, you know, you just have been excellent.

1755
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,839
Speaker 8: That was the word, eases. He has been excellent.

1756
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 15: And you're getting opportunities now be a first team Mike

1757
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 15: so far in this portion of the off season.

1758
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 8: What's that mean to you?

1759
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 15: And what's that kind of been like to be out

1760
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 15: there getting not six reps, you're getting a lot of

1761
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 15: reps and you're working with the team that you know

1762
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 15: is we're going to expect to play a lot of

1763
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 15: defense this year. You've been a lot of special teams,

1764
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 15: You've shown the ability to play linebacker. But now you're

1765
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 15: getting a chance I think, and correct me if I'm wrong,

1766
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 15: but imagine this is probably the most of those type

1767
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 15: of reps you've gotten so far in your journey. So

1768
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 15: and you're making the most of it. So how's that

1769
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 15: feel and what's it been like kind of getting those reps?

1770
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 16: This has been the most opportunity that I've got. And

1771
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 16: really the mindset every day is just to be the

1772
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 16: best that I can every single day, and so whether

1773
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,879
Speaker 16: I get six reps or whether I get twenty reps,

1774
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 16: for me, it's I want to take the advantage of

1775
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 16: every opportunity that I get. I'm having fun, I'm playing free,

1776
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 16: the defense is coming along really smoothly. I'm confident, I

1777
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 16: know what I'm able to bring to the table, and

1778
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 16: so it's just really cool that I've got an opportunity

1779
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 16: to show that and I'm getting an opportunity to get

1780
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 16: more reps, and so every single day I want to

1781
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 16: do the best that I can with those reps.

1782
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 15: Let's go back to the end of last year for

1783
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 15: people who don't know, your season ended early due to

1784
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 15: something you would ever thought an infection in your hand,

1785
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 15: and probably at that point you praised it.

1786
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 8: I don't know what the future holds for me.

1787
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 15: So you go through that, you get better, and then

1788
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 15: the Browns bring you back, and now all of a sudden,

1789
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 15: you're getting opportunities that you didn't even get last year.

1790
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,799
Speaker 15: So kind of what was your mental kind of process

1791
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 15: through that, and then how's kind of this journey been

1792
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 15: from that point where you're like, now you can't pay

1793
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 15: anymore cause you're playing go At the end of the year,

1794
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 15: can't play anymore, you got a hand infection. You're like,

1795
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 15: what to now that you're back here and got through

1796
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 15: because I'm sure there was some uncertainty, like the teams

1797
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 15: change every year. You don't know what how the roster

1798
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 15: turns over. But here you are once again.

1799
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 16: Yeah, you know, the season ended last year and I

1800
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 16: didn't really know what the future. Helld I felt like

1801
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 16: I put together a good season on special teams. I

1802
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 16: felt like it was my best season that I'd had

1803
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 16: thus far in my career. It was really the first

1804
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 16: time that I got some significant play at linebacker where

1805
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 16: I got some reps throughout the season, and so I

1806
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 16: knew that I had to put good film out there.

1807
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 16: But I didn't know if I was going to be

1808
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 16: back here. I didn't know if I was going to

1809
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 16: be a part of another organization. But I did know

1810
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 16: that I felt really confident that I was going to

1811
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 16: get an opportunity somewhere. And so it was really interesting

1812
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 16: because throughout the process of free agency last year, when

1813
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 16: I was at home on the streets, I had no

1814
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 16: idea if I was going to play another down of football,

1815
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 16: And really I had such a piece that surpassed all

1816
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 16: understanding during that timeframe. But when free agency was going on,

1817
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 16: knowing that I was going to get another opportunity somewhere else,

1818
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,919
Speaker 16: I felt so much pressure about.

1819
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 5: Where am I gonna choose? Where am I going to

1820
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 5: choose to go?

1821
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 16: And I spent so much time in prayer about Okay,

1822
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 16: where's going to be the best place for me? And

1823
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 16: we had some coaching changes on this roster, and so

1824
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 16: when coaching changes happening, you just don't know what's gonna happen.

1825
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 16: And obviously the season didn't go as well as we

1826
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 16: would have desired last year, and so there's a lot

1827
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 16: of turnover, and so you don't know if you're part

1828
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 16: of the plans to be back, and so I'm just

1829
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 16: really grateful that it worked out where everything made sense

1830
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 16: for me to come back here. And it's been a

1831
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 16: great joy to be able to work with Bubba, to

1832
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 16: be able to work with coach Tarbor again, to be

1833
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 16: able to work with coach Schwartz, and it's just a

1834
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 16: joy to be a part of this team.

1835
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 4: Really.

1836
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 16: I think that there's a lot of special things going

1837
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,799
Speaker 16: on here and it's an exciting time to be a Brown.

1838
01:18:58,640 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 8: No doubt.

1839
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 15: You mentioned Bubba there talked to him with the golf

1840
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 15: outing about you, and you know, obviously I feel invested

1841
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 15: in your career.

1842
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 8: We've hit it off.

1843
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 15: I've always rooted for you and you're It's a great story, right,

1844
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 15: It's so relatable, and I think it's probably very relatable

1845
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 15: Bubba and Trone, right, the similar undrafted and plays in

1846
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 15: the league for you know a decade is a special

1847
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 15: teams guy, you know, and he loves your professionalism. How's

1848
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 15: that kind of relationship been in because I imagine for a player,

1849
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 15: maybe I'm wrong, when you have a coach who did it,

1850
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 15: who kind of walked your walk, especially like your walk,

1851
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 15: does that create an initial bond because it just feels

1852
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 15: like that chemistry there is already.

1853
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 8: You can you can it's palpable.

1854
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 16: Yeah, you know, it's It's been a it's been a

1855
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 16: great joy to work with Bubba. And it's so much

1856
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 16: fun because in meetings, you know, he'll be teaching us

1857
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 16: a technique and then he'll pull up film from when

1858
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 16: he played and he'll be like, hey, this is what

1859
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 16: it looks like and he's humbled. There's been times he's

1860
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,799
Speaker 16: put up the film and he's like, done, great technique

1861
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 16: and then he missed the play and he's like, man,

1862
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 16: you guys gonna make this play. But it's just really

1863
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 16: cool to have a coach who's been there and done

1864
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 16: that and he's still out here. I mean, Bubba still

1865
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 16: looks like he could play.

1866
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 15: He says, like, only in a straight line, that's what

1867
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 15: he I always says, only saying like I don't know,

1868
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 15: I wouldn't watch you chasing me straight or occurd nothing.

1869
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's he's he's buff.

1870
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 16: He's out here running, sprinting, you know, go in the

1871
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 16: in the weight room and I'll see him getting after it.

1872
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 16: So no, it's it's really cool to have a coach

1873
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 16: who's done it and played at an incredibly high level,

1874
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 16: and his journey I'm sure wasn't like the the five

1875
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 16: star athlete, the highly recruited, you know, the high draft pick,

1876
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 16: and so when you see somebody who's relatable, I think

1877
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 16: it's it's it's really cool to be able to play

1878
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 16: for somebody like that.

1879
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 8: So what are your goals for yourself this year?

1880
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 5: Really?

1881
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 16: I don't try to think too far ahead. Really, every

1882
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 16: single day, there's three scriptures that I really say to myself,

1883
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 16: and the first one is whatever you do do your

1884
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 16: work heartily for the Lord rather than for man. That's

1885
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 16: Colossians three twenty three. The second scripture that comes to

1886
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 16: my mind is seek first his kingdom, his righteousness, and

1887
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,799
Speaker 16: all these things will be added to you. That's Matthew

1888
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 16: six thirty three. And the third scripture is First Corinthians

1889
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 16: ten thirty one. It's whatever you do, whether you eat

1890
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 16: or drink, do it to the glory of and so really, man,

1891
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 16: every single day, I just want to focus on today.

1892
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 16: I don't want to think too far ahead into the future.

1893
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 16: And I know that's I've in the past. I've put hard,

1894
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 16: concrete goals about Hey, this is what I desire to do,

1895
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 16: and I think that that's good and for some people

1896
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 16: that works. But for me, I really want to be present.

1897
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 16: I really want to enjoy every single day, and I

1898
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 16: focus more on less about the outcome and more about

1899
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 16: the process. Hey, every single day, I'm going to do

1900
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 16: my best. Every single day. I'm going to show up

1901
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 16: to work with the purpose. I'm gonna work hard, I'm

1902
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 16: gonna win at everything I do. And when I focus

1903
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 16: on those things, the outcome will take care of itself.

1904
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 16: Where sometimes you get so fixated on the outcome that

1905
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,759
Speaker 16: you miss the little things about the process.

1906
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 15: Trust the process. There you go, all right, Two things

1907
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 15: about personnel. One on your side of the ball as

1908
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 15: a linebacker, Dalvin Thompson is your best friend, right And

1909
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 15: you see, Ike, get some of these big guys up there,

1910
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 15: and you look now when you're standing back there, and

1911
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 15: you see, you know, Zadarius is a big dude. Miles

1912
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 15: is a big dude. George Elliott is a big dude.

1913
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 15: Dalvin is a big dude. It's it's a little different look,

1914
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 15: I'm sure from where you are, and how excited are

1915
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 15: you kind of to be able to play behind a

1916
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 15: front that has that, and not to mention the waves

1917
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 15: of guys that can come in that are also pretty

1918
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 15: darn big.

1919
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:09,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1920
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 16: If you guys can't see me right now, but I'm

1921
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 16: cheezing cheap to tegue.

1922
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 4: You know.

1923
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 16: We got out there first, they have mini camping, and

1924
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 16: just to look in front of me and I saw

1925
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 16: those dudes, I'm like, wow, this is like.

1926
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 8: These dudes, we look different.

1927
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:22,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1928
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 16: Absolutely, you got a lot of weight in front of

1929
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 16: you up there, and the way that they're being coached,

1930
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 16: it's they got a lot of freedom to go out

1931
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 16: there and make some play. So yeah, having those dudes

1932
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 16: in front of there, they are so valuable to the team.

1933
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 16: And a lot of times those defensive tackles, those big dudes,

1934
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 16: they're eating up the double team blocks of linebackers run

1935
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 16: around and make plays, and without those guys, it makes

1936
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 16: the linebacker job really difficult. And so when you have

1937
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 16: those people, they do a lot of work and they

1938
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 16: don't always get the glory. But for us linebackers, we

1939
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 16: appreciate those big boys up front and they they allow

1940
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 16: us to be able to make plays.

1941
01:22:58,320 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 5: And run around.

1942
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 16: And so it's nice to have all those guys.

1943
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 8: All right, I'm flipping around.

1944
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 15: You get to go against our offense, and this offense

1945
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 15: looks pretty good. A lot of new weapons, a lot

1946
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 15: more speed, I would say, and then you can tell

1947
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 15: that Shawn is more comfortable throwing balls into very tight

1948
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,520
Speaker 15: windows and throwing some great balls from the defensive perspective.

1949
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 15: Knowing that that's your offense, you know, have to play

1950
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 15: against them on Sundays. Are you kind of excited? Would

1951
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 15: you be excited as a Browns fan through your eyes

1952
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 15: what you've seen from this offense?

1953
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 4: Oh?

1954
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 16: Yeah, man, Like I have mentioned earlier in the interview. Man,

1955
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 16: you look at the offense and we've got a lot

1956
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 16: of great pieces. It's really cool to be able to

1957
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 16: play against them every single day and they're making us

1958
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 16: better and we're making them better. But when you look

1959
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 16: at the offensive side of the ball and you look

1960
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 16: how well DeShawn has been throwing the ball throughout OTAs

1961
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 16: and the windows in which he's fitting the ball in,

1962
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 16: you look at it and you're like, man, Okay, I

1963
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 16: could see why he is the way that he is

1964
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 16: because it's been impressive and we got a lot of

1965
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 16: speed at the receiver position, and just yeah, we have

1966
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 16: a lot to be excited about as Browns fans and

1967
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 16: as an organization with what the offense looks like.

1968
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 15: And I would imagine linebackers are typically not thrilled when

1969
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 15: they see Elijah Moore go into the backfield and you're like, okay,

1970
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 15: come on, man, come on, why you gotta do that?

1971
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 16: Right, Yeah, We've had to make some adjustments of how

1972
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 16: we handle that because you know, the offense is always

1973
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,480
Speaker 16: trying to look for ways in which to get mismatches

1974
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 16: on the defense because typically you know, in a man

1975
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 16: to man defense, a lot of the times the linebackers

1976
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 16: are man to man on the running backs and the

1977
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 16: tight ends where you put a speedster back there like

1978
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,600
Speaker 16: Elijah Moore and somebody who's elusive like that. It's a

1979
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 16: mismatch for a lot of linebackers. So we've had to

1980
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 16: do some adjustments on the defense side of the ball

1981
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 16: and how to navigate and how to handle personnel.

1982
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Speaker 4: Good.

1983
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 15: It's good training for when somebody else down the road.

1984
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 15: Maybe it's Week seven and somebody throws. You know, we

1985
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 15: don't play the Dolphins here, but if Tyreek hill all

1986
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 15: Sen ends up back, they're like, okay, all right, we've

1987
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 15: at least we've gotten some reps with that.

1988
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Speaker 8: All right.

1989
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Speaker 15: I want to leave you with this one, and I

1990
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 15: appreciate time. Always great talking with you. What's one thing,

1991
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 15: And I think you've talked about your faith a little bit.

1992
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 15: You've talked about maybe your play style a little bit,

1993
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 15: But what's one thing when you want Browns fans when

1994
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 15: they look out there, they see fifty one, they see

1995
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,600
Speaker 15: the flowing locks, they see the chiseled features. What do

1996
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 15: you want them to think about when it comes to

1997
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 15: Jordan Kunashik.

1998
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 16: Well, you had mentioned earlier about my faith that's first

1999
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 16: and foremost. But besides that, I would say that the

2000
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 16: person who you see out there every single day is

2001
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 16: somebody who is doing his absolute best. And I'm not

2002
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 16: gonna be perfect, and I'm gonna let you guys know already.

2003
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 16: Then I'm gonna make mistakes and I'm gonna get beats.

2004
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 16: Sometimes that's never the intention, that's never the motive. But

2005
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 16: we're playing against elite athletes, people on the office, offensive side,

2006
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 16: on the ball, people on special teams. They get paid too,

2007
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 16: and they're true professionals and they work hard as well.

2008
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 16: But every single time I go out there, my intention

2009
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 16: is to win every single rep. Is to be the

2010
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 16: best that I can be in every single element of

2011
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 16: my game. And so you can be assured that you

2012
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 16: are going to get great preparation, you're gonna get great

2013
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 16: attitude for me, and you're gonna get great effort every

2014
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 16: single play.

2015
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 8: I love it, man, I'm rooting for you. You know that.

2016
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 15: Keep it going, dude. It's fun to watch. And I

2017
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 15: think that you're somebody that this town. Even though you're

2018
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 15: a California guy, you probably are nimble on the surfboard

2019
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 15: that maybe you know you have that Cleveland vibe that

2020
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 15: blue collar like I'm gonna go out there, I'm gonna

2021
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 15: get after it. I'm gonna give you everything I got,

2022
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 15: leave it all on the field.

2023
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 7: And I love that.

2024
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 15: I think our fans love that too. And it's it's

2025
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 15: a pleasure to watch out there and let's go, man,

2026
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 15: let's go.

2027
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 5: Absolutely pleasure. Nathan, thank you for having me on.

2028
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 2: And it's just so easy to root for for Jordan.

2029
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: And it was a big moment when when Jim came

2030
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 2: out in his jersey at at OTA's. That's that matters

2031
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 2: and the fact that he's getting the reps he had.

2032
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,959
Speaker 2: Good things happened to a good guy in that specific situation.

2033
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 2: So much more to come.

2034
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,360
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Speaker 2: notes around the league today as we wrap up here

2044
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 2: on a First Friday Miracle edition of the program. Stefan

2045
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 2: Diggs is in Buffalo. He did participate in mandatory mini camp.

2046
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 2: We have not heard much of an explanation in terms

2047
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 2: of why he missed it or not after missing the

2048
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 2: first day of it, which caused a bunch of drama.

2049
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,759
Speaker 2: But back at practice today and the Bills appear ready

2050
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 2: to go on that side of things. So a good

2051
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 2: sign of things to come on that side. Oh, he just.

2052
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 11: Signed a ninety million dollar extension last off season.

2053
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 3: What are we doing?

2054
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 4: Nick?

2055
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 2: They had this There was some reporting out of Buffalo

2056
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 2: that it had something to do with the lack of

2057
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 2: talent that was brought in, which seems odd to me.

2058
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,759
Speaker 2: I mean they're trying. They tried to bring in DeAndre.

2059
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 2: They don't have any money. Well, they don't have any

2060
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 2: money out, I mean, no way to go.

2061
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 11: They did trade up to get was a Dalton Kincaid, right, Yeah,

2062
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 11: So I mean that they're calling him the next Gronker,

2063
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 11: then that's what they want to make him into. I mean,

2064
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 11: if you have that sort of weapon, that's great. But

2065
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 11: I did just see some numbers. His first ten games

2066
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 11: of the year, he had eight touchdowns, which was tied

2067
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 11: for the lead I'm sorry, six touchdowns, tied for the

2068
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 11: lead league at that point in time in reception touchdowns.

2069
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 11: He only had won the last seven games, and it

2070
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 11: was only averaging like sixty four yards a game after

2071
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 11: averaging one hundred and nine the first ten weeks. So

2072
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,959
Speaker 11: you would figure it's probably because his numbers weren't there could.

2073
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 2: Be, but I mean, you got the bag man like, yeah,

2074
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 2: and you're winning. Yeah, you're winning seven and oh the

2075
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 2: last seven games of the year. I don't understand why

2076
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 2: he's complaining as much as he is. I think there's

2077
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 2: there's some real pressure that is. I mean, we talked

2078
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 2: about all the time here. You know that there it's

2079
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 2: time to go.

2080
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:44,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2081
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 2: And I think there's real pressure around the league as

2082
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:50,919
Speaker 2: specifically the AFC. I think there's real pressure in Buffalo.

2083
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 2: Last year they were the darling, they were the favorite

2084
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 2: in the AFC. They came up short again. It feels

2085
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 2: like there's real pressure there to like, man, we got

2086
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: to make sure that we are in this window. We

2087
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 2: are locked in. We've got to get through the AFC

2088
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 2: this year and it.

2089
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 3: Does feel like it's pulling him a part of it.

2090
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 2: Alan did have some comments yesterday said, I know internally

2091
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 2: we're working on some things not football related, but Steph,

2092
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 2: he's my guy, excuse my I f and love him,

2093
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 2: He's a brother of mine. This is not work what

2094
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 2: we're doing here without him. We wish he was here today.

2095
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 2: This was before he came to today's practice and out

2096
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 2: there on the field with us, and that's not the case.

2097
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 2: But I've got his back no matter what. So obviously

2098
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 2: they are working through some things there. But I think

2099
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 2: a very big sign probably that Alan said that on

2100
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 2: Tuesday probably helped with Diggs showing up today.

2101
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, it's I think Sean McDermott said the best.

2102
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:44,919
Speaker 11: He said, we're very concerned.

2103
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 3: That's not a good thing for first aim in a camp. No, no,

2104
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 3: it's not.

2105
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 2: I also saw I gotta tell you, like they have

2106
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 2: been not necessarily here, but one of the lovable teams

2107
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 2: in the NFL for a lot of the country has

2108
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 2: been the Bengals the last couple of years with their

2109
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 2: runs to the super Bowl and Burrow and Chase and

2110
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 2: all of that. But they are they are getting a

2111
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 2: little chesty you saw Jamar Chase today. Patrick Joe Burrow

2112
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 2: was asked yesterday who's the best quarterback in the league

2113
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 2: and he said Pat Patrick mahomes Is. And they asked

2114
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,560
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase about that and what Burrow said, and I'm paraphrasing,

2115
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 2: but in simple terms, Jamar Chase said, Pat who. So

2116
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 2: they are all right, they're feeling themselves, so nails that coffin.

2117
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 2: Come on, man. By the way, No, still no contract

2118
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 2: for Burrow, Still no long term contract, he said yesterday.

2119
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,719
Speaker 2: I'm not discussing that with you guys, So we'll see

2120
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 2: where that thing. I think anybody down there who's been

2121
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 2: on that beat thought that they would have a deal

2122
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 2: done by now, and they still don't. It's the middle

2123
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 2: of June, so we shall see. Appreciate all your work today, Nick.

2124
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 2: We are back tomorrow with a mailbag edition of the program.

2125
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 2: The Next Level is coming up next. Thanks for listen, everybody,

2126
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