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Speaker 1: Murder in Oregon is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Shortly after Michael Frankie's murder, then reporter Eric Mason attended

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Speaker 2: a press conference held by Governor Neil Goldschmidt. At the time,

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Speaker 2: Mason attributed Goldschmidt's demeanor to Michael's murder. Eric recalls what

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Speaker 2: it was like.

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Speaker 3: Only later would we understand that. I think what was

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Speaker 3: going on there was the governor thinking my own secrets

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Speaker 3: might come rolling out of the closet, my own skeleton

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Speaker 3: might be revealed here in the process of a murder happening, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, in my inner circle. And I think that

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Speaker 3: might have been.

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Speaker 4: Also a part of how shell shocked Governor Goldschmidt was

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Speaker 4: that morning was that he had his own deep, dark secrets,

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Speaker 4: and I wondered, if you know, there was more to

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Speaker 4: that very grim look on his face than I remember

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Speaker 4: seeing that morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lauren brag Pacheco, and this is Murder and Oregon.

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Speaker 2: We want to warn listeners that some of the events

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Speaker 2: and circumstances were about to cover involve sexual abuse of

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Speaker 2: a minor. But these details are crucial to fully understanding

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Speaker 2: the narrative around Michael's murder. On the surface, Neil Goldschmidt

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Speaker 2: should have been eager to support a thorough investigation into

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Speaker 2: the murder of Michael Frankie, the newly hired head of

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Speaker 2: Corrections he personally recruited, was dead murdered on state property.

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Speaker 2: But instead the governor went after members of the press

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Speaker 2: for theories of corruption within the Corrections department and dismiss

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Speaker 2: the idea that Frankie's murder was anything more than a

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Speaker 2: random kellen, and he pushed back against the efforts of

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Speaker 2: Mike's brothers and Phil Stanford.

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Speaker 5: What really puzzled me at the time still puzzled me

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Speaker 5: was why he had resisted so strenuously, why he had

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Speaker 5: resisted any real investigation into corruption in the prison system.

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Speaker 5: First of all, the attacks, public attacks against me and Kevin.

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Speaker 5: You know, where's this garbage coming from. But as we

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Speaker 5: know now, there was a great deal of talk in

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Speaker 5: his office. We have the memo that shows that he

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Speaker 5: wanted to keep the FBI out and he wanted to

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Speaker 5: keep State Senate from investigating corruption in the prison system.

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Speaker 5: So why it didn't make any sense because the corruption

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Speaker 5: we were talking about had occurred before he'd become governor,

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Speaker 5: and he was a very smart politician. All he had

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Speaker 5: to do was blame it on his predecessor.

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Speaker 2: Gold Schmidt was by many accounts, an effective governor. His

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Speaker 2: economic reforms and policies brought the state out of a

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Speaker 2: nearly decade long recession. He passed workers comp legislation and

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Speaker 2: promoted children's literacy. A second term victory was a given.

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Speaker 2: Then he made a stunning announcement. Newspaper reporter Jim Redden

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Speaker 6: Day he unexpectedly announced that he was not going to

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Speaker 6: run for reelection in the middle of his term. And

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Speaker 6: I was there at that press conference when we did it,

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Speaker 6: and it was a shock. I mean, it was a

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Speaker 6: stunning announcement. He called a press conference and we didn't

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Speaker 6: know what he was going to announce, announced he was

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Speaker 6: not going to run for re election. Nobody said anything,

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Speaker 6: Nobody even asked a question, I mean, and they turned

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Speaker 6: around and walked out of the room.

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Speaker 2: Here's Pulitzer Prize winning reporter for the Willamette Week, Nigel Jaquis.

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Speaker 7: He had been mayor of Portland in his twenties, appointed

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Speaker 7: by President Jimmy Carter re Transportation Secretary in his thirties.

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Speaker 7: David Broder, the Washington Post columnist who was for the

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Speaker 7: leading national political calumnist of the day, had him in

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Speaker 7: Bill Clinton and Governor Keane of New Jersey as sort

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Speaker 7: So Goldschmidt was really, at least for political insiders, a

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Speaker 7: national figure of great promise. He was widely expected to

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Speaker 7: run for a second term in nineteen ninety, and he

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Speaker 7: a divorce at the time, and the press accounts at

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Speaker 7: the time attributed left a great deal of uncertainty. Nobody

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Speaker 7: and it sort of remained an enduring mystery in Oregon politics.

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Speaker 7: Why had this person who was a phenomenon and a

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Speaker 7: very successful, very effective politician just walked away in the

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Speaker 2: Here's Phil again.

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Speaker 5: Well, it was odd, for sure, I mean, he was

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Speaker 5: a shoe in for a second term. Explanation, as I recall,

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Speaker 5: was that he was separating from his wife and he

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Speaker 5: wanted to spare the children. You know, you always have

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Speaker 5: to be just a little bit suspicious whenever a professional

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Speaker 5: for the sake of the children.

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Speaker 2: And Neil Goldschmidt's secret, it turns out, was a pretty

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Speaker 7: So I was supposed to find out what he'd been

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Speaker 7: doing since he left office, and in the course of

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Speaker 7: reporting on what he had done in the fourteen years

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Speaker 7: had been an issue in his past involving a babysitter,

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Speaker 7: and so that led me to trying to find out

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Speaker 7: what had happened back when he was Portland's mayor in

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Speaker 7: the nineteen seventies.

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Speaker 2: What Nigel uncovered was something beyond unexpected.

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Speaker 7: It turn act that he had, over a period of

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Speaker 7: a number of years. That number sort of remains in dispute,

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Speaker 7: but at least three or four years, sexually abused a

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Speaker 7: neighbor's daughter, the young woman who was either thirteen or fourteen. Again,

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Speaker 7: that number is in dispute as well when sexual abuse began,

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Speaker 7: but in either case she was well under the age

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Speaker 7: of legal consent. So when we at Willema, we broke

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Speaker 7: that story in two thousand and four, it was a

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Speaker 7: real bombshell because Cultremid, although he had left politics, was

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Speaker 7: really the kingmaker in Oregon. He was the most influential

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Speaker 7: private citizen in the state, and many of the elected

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Speaker 7: either directly to him or indirectly to him. So he

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Speaker 7: and so it was a major story at the time.

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Speaker 2: During his time as mayor of Neil Goldschmidt was regularly

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Speaker 2: committing statutory rape with a girl who was barely a teenager.

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Speaker 2: The Oregonian caught wind of Jake was his reporting and

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Speaker 2: attempted to get ahead of the story with what seems

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Speaker 2: an apparent spin. Margie Boulet was a columnist for the

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Speaker 8: The Oregonian found out, probably because Nigel Jake was contacted

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Speaker 8: Goldschmidt to answer questions. But the Oregonian found out while

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Speaker 8: at week was going to break this story, and whether

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Speaker 8: they wanted to beat them to the story or whether

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Speaker 8: they wanted for some reason to print Goldschmidt's version first,

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Speaker 8: who knows, But The Oregonian brought in Neil Goldschmidt to

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Speaker 8: a meeting with a handpicked group of journalists and editors,

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Speaker 8: and Neil Goldschmidt arrived with a statement he read about

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Speaker 8: his health and his heart problems, quoted doctor. The impression

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Speaker 8: a lot of people at the meeting got was that

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Speaker 8: he was on the brink of death, seriously seriously ill.

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Speaker 8: And then there was a brief mention of a relationship

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Speaker 8: that Goldschmid had had with a fourteen year old girl

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Speaker 8: back when he was mayor of Portland, and then the

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Speaker 8: subject was returned to Goldschmid's health. I have heard a

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Speaker 8: recording of that, and I took notes. I was not

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Speaker 8: I just was allowed to sit down and listen to

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Speaker 8: it when I was working on my story later. But

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Speaker 8: the reporters in the room were very respectful of him.

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Speaker 8: They were very concerned about his health. I do not

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Speaker 8: recall hearing anyone ask questions about the relationship with a girl,

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Speaker 8: and if they did, the questions were not of serious concern.

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Speaker 2: But the Oregonian softball handling of Goldschmidt would elicit public outcry.

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Speaker 8: After the Oregonian story ran, and while I'm at Weak

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Speaker 8: story ran, there was huge public response. The Oregonian got

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Speaker 8: a lot of negative response because the headline used in

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Speaker 8: the very first story about Goldschmidt's admission of a relationship

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Speaker 8: was that he had had an affair, quote unquote an affair,

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Speaker 8: and people were rightly outraged that it had been depicted

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Speaker 8: in the Oregonian as an affair when it was.

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Speaker 9: Child sex abuse, it was rape of a child.

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Speaker 2: Here's reporter Nigel Jaquis. Again.

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Speaker 7: A lot of people who were very disgusted by his

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Speaker 7: very angry. There were also a lot of people who

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Speaker 7: thought the story never should have been written, that it

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Speaker 7: and that there was no public purpose to be served

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Speaker 2: Throughout this podcast, we've seen the victimization of people caught

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Speaker 2: in the crosshairs of politics and corruption. Lives twisted are

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Speaker 2: destroyed by those with great power and little accountability. In

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Speaker 2: two thousand and five, Margie Boulay began interviewing the now

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Speaker 2: who was still one of the most powerful men in Oregon.

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Speaker 9: After the stories had broken.

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Speaker 8: A short period of time passed and then I got

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Speaker 8: a telephone call at The Oregonian from a woman about

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Speaker 8: whom I had written in the past. She had been

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Speaker 8: the victim of a crime, and she did not want

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Speaker 8: the perpetrator to find her because the perpetrator had never

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Speaker 8: been identified, and so I protected her in the ways

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Speaker 8: that I was able to do that using journalistic ethics,

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Speaker 8: in my own conscience. So she said, I have a

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Speaker 8: story for you. I am friends with Neil Goldschmidt's victim.

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Speaker 8: She wants to tell her story, but she doesn't trust

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Speaker 2: Margie met with Goldschmidt's victim, Elizabeth Dunham, a name she

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Speaker 2: hesitates to use even now. Elizabeth felt she could trust

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Speaker 8: She was forty two, but she seemed older in some

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Speaker 8: and that wasn't true. She was very, very intelligent, She

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Speaker 8: was a beautiful writer, She was insightful, she was generous.

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Speaker 9: We had an agreement that she would call me.

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Speaker 8: Because she was traumatized because she had been used by

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Speaker 8: ever believe this, But the truth is I really didn't

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Speaker 8: give a damn about getting a scoop. I just wanted

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Speaker 8: it was always from his perspective.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth grew up in close proximity to gold Schmidt and

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Speaker 8: Her parents were huge fans of gold Schmidt. They lived

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Speaker 8: parents idolized him, and so she grew up idolizing him.

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Speaker 8: Her parents, she said, worked on Neil Goldschmidt's pains for

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Speaker 2: He was a frequent visitor to her childhood home. And

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Speaker 2: that's where the abuse began.

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Speaker 8: It was her mother's birthday party. She remembered it very clearly,

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Speaker 8: and Goldschmidt and she went down to the basement and

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Speaker 8: there was sexual behavior at that time.

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Speaker 2: She said, And how old was she?

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Speaker 8: She said she was thirteen, and she was very clear

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Speaker 9: She said.

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Speaker 8: The sexual predatory behavior by him toward her from that

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Speaker 8: point on continued on a regular basis. She and her

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Speaker 8: friend told me that after school in the afternoons, they

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Speaker 9: He would rape her.

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Speaker 2: He was mayor of Portland and flagrantly wielded that power.

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Speaker 8: Her girlfriends from those years, middle school, junior high school,

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Speaker 2: You heard that correctly, This young, vulnerable girl dropped out

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Speaker 9: That he had suggested that.

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Speaker 8: Then, she told me that she dropped out of school

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Speaker 9: I'll give you a reading list. So she was in city.

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Speaker 8: She believed for a long long time that it was

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Speaker 8: She told me the first person she told when she

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Speaker 8: I understand you're having sex with my daughter. And he

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Speaker 2: It was heartbreaking betrayal, a child knowingly subjected to abuse

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Speaker 9: She got angry.

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Speaker 8: She looked at her her life in her life was

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Speaker 8: She wanted to pull her life together. She did not

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Speaker 8: me and told me that she did and it was

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Speaker 9: That's what she told me.

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Speaker 2: Eventually Goldschmid lawyers got involved. It was agreed that in

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Speaker 8: I couldn't understand why they were asking for more documentation,

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Speaker 8: I later learned that several of the editors at the

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Speaker 9: It's just my opinion.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't until four years later, in twenty eleven, that

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Speaker 2: The Oregonian finally published the story, and only after Elizabeth

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Speaker 8: I was told that she died of complications from her alcoholism.

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Speaker 9: But there are so many ways. She could have.

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Speaker 8: Died as a result of the emotional and physical crises

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Speaker 8: she endured, she believed and I believed as a result

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Speaker 8: of what Goldschmidt did to her.

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Speaker 8: He just walked away. I mean, yeah, the public knew,

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Speaker 8: to this day. He owns a beautiful home in France.

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Speaker 8: At least last I heard he still did. He owns

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Speaker 9: I'm not going to say.

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Speaker 8: He got off scott free because his reputation was badly damaged,

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Speaker 8: His wealthy and powerful friends stuck with him. They even

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Speaker 8: to this powerful man who rewarded people who kept his secret.

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Speaker 9: In my opinion and in her opinion.

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Speaker 2: The factorymains. Neil Goldschmidt was only allowed to abuse Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: the other way. Some of them were indebted to him,

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Speaker 2: others had their own transgressions to hide. Here's Nigel Jaquis again.

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Speaker 7: I think the answer to why that could remain a

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Speaker 7: that Goldschmid wielded. So he had many proteges. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 7: Governor Kolangowski was one, but there weren't many who were

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Speaker 7: they both had a reason that they owed him something,

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Speaker 7: not to divulge his secret, but they also, I think,

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Speaker 5: As we know now, all these people knew about it.

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Speaker 5: There were some who certainly didn't have Goldsmid's best interests

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Speaker 5: At the time, law enforcement the state police would have

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Speaker 5: Police knew about the girl back when he was mayor.

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Speaker 5: His driver was assigned by police intelligence. There's a reason

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Speaker 5: Police knew it, and there's no reason to believe that

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Speaker 2: And there was something else?

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Speaker 5: One more thing that has come out that came out

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Speaker 2: That a state police officer who was his personal driver

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean he's talked about it with me. He

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Speaker 5: I also spoke with her roommate, and the roommate told

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Speaker 5: you raped me, you owe me. Yeah, there was pressure

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Speaker 2: And would that have been the same time as the

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Speaker 4: Oh yes.

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Speaker 2: At this point, we want to stress that we've reached

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Speaker 2: out to Neil Goldschmidt multiple times by certified letter and

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Speaker 2: voicemail for a statement or interview, and to this date

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Speaker 2: When Boulai's article was published, it had been nearly twenty years.

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Speaker 2: But throughout Gable's incarceration there was someone who wanted to

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Speaker 2: matter what. Phil Stamford and Gable read Phil's articles in

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Speaker 5: Over the course of years of exchanging letters back and forth,

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Speaker 2: Well, and I'm sure it just kind of drove home

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Speaker 2: Mike lost all of his and Frank was actively losing

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Speaker 5: Oh, two victims, for sure.

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Speaker 2: It was through their correspondence that Bill began to grasp

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Speaker 5: December twenty seven, two thousand and three. Hello there, old friend.

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Speaker 5: After these many years, it almost feels like you and

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Speaker 5: I are friends. I read and reread some of your

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Speaker 5: articles dozens of times, sent articles to anyone I thought

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Speaker 5: would listen to or help me gain my freedom. But

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Speaker 5: if you don't have the money, you can ever buy

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Speaker 5: an ear to hear. There is now no question. He

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Speaker 5: underlines that I can prove I did not do this crime.

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Speaker 2: Fill.

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Speaker 5: I've spent several years going over everything over and over.

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Speaker 5: I can prove the state police in the DA's office

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Speaker 5: knowingly set me up to wrongfully convict me and use

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Speaker 5: statements they could have easily proven were not true.

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Speaker 2: And Gable's desperation and hopelessness during his fruitless appeals process

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Speaker 2: is heart wrenching.

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Speaker 5: I feel completely in the dark on what's going on

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Speaker 5: that after fifteen years, could this truly finally be the

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Speaker 5: end of this insane nightmare? Oh God, how I hope

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Speaker 5: and pray it is phel. No words can express what

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Speaker 5: it's like to go through something like this.

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Speaker 2: A former matthewser and drug dealer, Gable fought to clean

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Speaker 2: up his life in prison.

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Speaker 5: I told my homies I'd stop everything and change my life.

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Speaker 5: I've done that, Phil, I've stayed clean and sober, and

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Speaker 5: life is better than ever. I will not let you

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Speaker 5: and Kevin Downfhil, I will make you all proud and

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Speaker 5: glad you believed in me and fought to help me.

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Speaker 2: With new clarity, Gable also began to understand the extent

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Speaker 2: to which he was manipulated and set up.

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Speaker 5: This case of mine proves tweakers will say anything. It's

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Speaker 5: the tweakers who made up all the lives against him.

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Speaker 5: Of course, they dogged me so hard, Phil. One minute,

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Speaker 5: they had me crying, the next mad and yelling, then

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Speaker 5: crying kept me up all night. He's talking about how

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Speaker 5: they when they first gave him the polygraphs, and they

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Speaker 5: said they caught him lying, asking me questions like Frank,

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Speaker 5: you were so spun out on drugs, you have done

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Speaker 5: it and not remember. I told him hundreds of times,

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Speaker 5: no way, I did not do it. I was not there.

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Speaker 5: I don't know who did it.

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Speaker 2: Over and over.

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Speaker 5: Sergeant McCafferty got so mad because I kept saying that

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Speaker 5: that he choked me until I blacked out. But I'd

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Speaker 5: still not admit to something I did not do. It's

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Speaker 5: only because I was raised so hard and had suffered

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Speaker 5: so much as a boy. They could not make me

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Speaker 5: say something or admit to something I did not do

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Speaker 5: because I am strong in my heart from years of abuse.

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Speaker 2: He wrote Phil about his childhood, his background, personal things

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Speaker 2: about himself. Beyond the case and beyond his conviction. Gable

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Speaker 2: was just a man wrongfully accused, wasting away in prison.

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Speaker 2: Phil would send him stamps and books. He even shared

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Speaker 2: Gable's prison address in one of his articles so people

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Speaker 2: could send him Christmas cards.

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Speaker 5: Dude, are you insane? I started getting all these cards

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Speaker 5: from people, and one had a clipping of your article

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Speaker 5: you did and had my address in it. I honestly

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Speaker 5: can't tell you how how good it felt to get

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Speaker 5: so many cards and words of support. Thank you. Though

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Speaker 5: I'm a very shy person, and after all I've endured,

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Speaker 5: I tend to isolate a lot and not trust people,

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Speaker 5: but I have started writing them all a thank you note.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to let what happened in the past

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Speaker 5: hinder my life in any way. These people were kind

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Speaker 5: enough to reach out and show kindness to someone they

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Speaker 5: don't know at all, especially to a person in my situation.

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Speaker 2: But Phil's articles and public support couldn't change the relentlessly depressing,

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Speaker 2: crushing reality of Frank's life sentence.

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Speaker 5: I just wonder, Phil, if it will ever end. I've

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Speaker 5: been so depressed as of lately. Some guy hung himself

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Speaker 5: several months ago, and that really bothered me a lot.

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Speaker 5: You wonder if he had the better idea. It's all

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Speaker 5: bothered me almost more than I can dure. I'd never

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Speaker 5: let another person die, never stab someone like that, never

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Speaker 5: let someone just die or leave them hurt. Guess that's

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Speaker 5: what bothers me a lot. They have people thinking I'm

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Speaker 5: a piece of shit like that, you know, Phil, What

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Speaker 5: I really don't understand is how has a system meant

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Speaker 5: to bring justice, allow a man to spend nineteen years

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Speaker 5: now wrongfully convicted? How do the people of Oregon allow it?

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Speaker 5: Because it really doesn't affect their life? So who really

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Speaker 5: gives a shit anyway? They're going to dinner, a movie campaign,

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Speaker 5: so on. Who honestly gives a damn about a guy

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Speaker 5: like me who they don't know?

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Speaker 2: But soon Gable would find a small seat of hope

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Speaker 2: that would blossom into something much bigger on the next

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Speaker 2: Murder in Oregon.

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Speaker 9: This case has been controversial from the start.

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Speaker 2: When Gable was arrested for the murder, he claimed he

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Speaker 2: was set up.

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Speaker 3: I believe that I walked into a complicated drug ring

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Speaker 3: and really don't know how complicated it was until now.

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Speaker 3: Can you think maybe that drug ring had something to

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Speaker 3: do with Frankie's murder?

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Speaker 9: I believe so.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 2: He has filed multiple appeals. Then a lawyer emerges willing

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Speaker 2: to take on the nearly impossible odds. All right, talk

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Speaker 2: to Kevin.

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Speaker 5: He said, yeah, I cried like a baby, and I

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Speaker 5: said me too.

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Speaker 1: Murder in Oregon is hosted by Lauren Bright Pacheco and

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Speaker 1: Phil Stanford. Executive producers are Noel Brown, Lauren Bright Pacheco,

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Speaker 1: Sound designed by Tristan McNeil, Story editing by Matt Riddle,

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