WEBVTT - John Harvey Kellogg

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tracy Wolves and I'm Holly Frying. So a note

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<v Speaker 1>before we begin this. Some of John Harvey Kellogg's thought

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<v Speaker 1>was about the sexual health of adults. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>are listening with young children, be aware there is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be some talk about sex and some sexual terminology

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode. Yeah, a little bit of anatomy that

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<v Speaker 1>you may or may not have covered yet. Can I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you a story, poor favour. I used to be

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<v Speaker 1>a massage therapist, like a legitimate massage therapist. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a license and all that, and I was getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>to start my first full time job at a spa.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was the spa was like the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>place up in the mountains where you would go and

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<v Speaker 1>you would get three health food meals a day and

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to your massages, there were day hikes and

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<v Speaker 1>nutritional counseling and uh and that sort of thing. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it was very health spa. Yeah, the kind of place

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<v Speaker 1>where there was such a focus on healthy eating that

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<v Speaker 1>people would routinely ask the maintenance guy and they could smuggle.

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<v Speaker 1>If you could smuggle some hamburgers for them. Um. So

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<v Speaker 1>the night before my first day of work there, I

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<v Speaker 1>was staying at this condo that had cable and I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't had a TV at all for about four years,

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<v Speaker 1>so of course I turned it on and what was

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<v Speaker 1>on was coincidentally The Road to Wellville, which is based

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<v Speaker 1>on a book by TC Boyle. Yes, have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen this or read this? Yes? And yes, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>been quite some time on both of you. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>fictionalized comedy about John Harvey Kellogg, and in the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody is at this spa to get better, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff going on. It just seems really cuckoo,

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<v Speaker 1>from weird electrical therapies to a hyper strict focus on

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<v Speaker 1>never ever ever masturbating. It's absolutely thick schnl. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Battle Creek Sanitarium was a real place run by John

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Kellogg, who was a real guy, and it had

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<v Speaker 1>its share of weirdness, which is what we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today. It's almost one of those things where

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, why did you fictionalize this funny weird as

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<v Speaker 1>it is? That's sort of like Stone Mountain, Georgia. They

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't need to make up all kinds of craziness

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<v Speaker 1>about Stone Mountain for thirty y rock, because it's got

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<v Speaker 1>its own craziness right there. Um. So also this is

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<v Speaker 1>you thank some part to a listener request from Palace.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to talk about John Harvey Kellogg and

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<v Speaker 1>the sanitarium at Battle Creek today. So John hard Vee

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<v Speaker 1>Kellogg was born in Tyrone, Michigan, on February eighteen fifty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and his parents were John Preston and and Kellogg. He

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<v Speaker 1>was one of sixteen it's one six sixteen children, which

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<v Speaker 1>included five from his father's first marriage. They were all

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<v Speaker 1>devout Seventh day Adventists, and they moved to Battle Creek, Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>which was at that point the home of the Seventh

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<v Speaker 1>Day Adventist Church. When John was young. His father owned

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<v Speaker 1>a broom factory there and all of the children worked

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<v Speaker 1>in it as soon as they were of legal age

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<v Speaker 1>to do so. When John got older, he worked as

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<v Speaker 1>a printer's devil, which is kind of a gopher slash

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<v Speaker 1>apprentice type role at a Seventh Day Adventist publishing house.

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<v Speaker 1>His interest in medicine and health reform probably started there

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<v Speaker 1>because of the materials they were printing. Bell and White,

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<v Speaker 1>who was co founder of the Seventh day Adventists, had

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<v Speaker 1>begun to write extensively about health and wellness. A core

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<v Speaker 1>Seventh Day Adventist belief is that people's bodies are the

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<v Speaker 1>temples of the Holy Spirit, so they should be treated

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<v Speaker 1>well and kept healthy through clean living and healthful behaviors,

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<v Speaker 1>and people should avoid quote, unclean foods and tobacco and alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was sixteen, he worked for a little while

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<v Speaker 1>as a teacher. All There's some kind of respiratory trouble

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<v Speaker 1>ended his teaching work and caused him to return to studying.

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<v Speaker 1>John's father did not really see a lot of reason

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<v Speaker 1>to educate his children. He believed that the Second Coming

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<v Speaker 1>was imminent and that would have been a waste of time.

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<v Speaker 1>So many of his siblings never finished high school. And

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<v Speaker 1>in spite of that, John got his m d. From

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<v Speaker 1>Bellevue Hospital Medical College in eighteen seventy five UH. For

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<v Speaker 1>scattered years between eighteen eighty three and nineteen eleven, he

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<v Speaker 1>also studied in Europe UH and continued his education in

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<v Speaker 1>surgery and medicine there. His goal and all the study

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<v Speaker 1>was really to be a good doctor and a good surgeon.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was. He was a successful doctor and a

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<v Speaker 1>very respected surgeon, and he continued to practice surgery until

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<v Speaker 1>he was in his seventies. He also founded Battle Creek College,

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<v Speaker 1>which later became part of Andrew's University, and he served

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<v Speaker 1>as its first president. He was also an advocate of

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<v Speaker 1>health outreach for the poor and needy. He believed that

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<v Speaker 1>all Christian institutions should work with the poor in their

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<v Speaker 1>local area, and he also believed that Seventh day Adventists

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<v Speaker 1>were in particular called to work as medical missionaries. He

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<v Speaker 1>was part of the Adventists creation of a medical mission

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago, the closest major city to Battle Creek at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Detroit was much smaller than and that was

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<v Speaker 1>in eight three uh and that medical mission became a

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<v Speaker 1>model for other missions in Chicago and elsewhere. The goal

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<v Speaker 1>was to see to both the physical and spiritual health

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<v Speaker 1>of the city's poorest residence. On February twenty second, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine, he married Ella et Eaton, and they lived

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<v Speaker 1>in a fifty room home in Battle Creek. That sounds enormous,

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<v Speaker 1>it does. Indeed, they really needed all that room because

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<v Speaker 1>together they fostered about forty children and legally adopted seven

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<v Speaker 1>of them. They had no biological children because allegedly, as

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<v Speaker 1>it just seems to be a running theme with every

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<v Speaker 1>topic that I picked, their marriage was chased and never consummated.

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<v Speaker 1>You do have bad luck with that. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's bad luck, it's just it's just funny

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<v Speaker 1>because you pick things not knowing that, and it always

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<v Speaker 1>comes up in the research. Yeah, I just keep picking

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<v Speaker 1>people to talk about, and then it turns out that

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<v Speaker 1>that person, by coincidence, has a chased marriage. Yes, sav

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<v Speaker 1>a chase marriage and practice celibacy for their whole life. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And although some of his children were black, John was

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<v Speaker 1>actually a proponent of the eugenics movement and founded the

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<v Speaker 1>Race Betterment Foundation in nineteen eleven to pursue ideas of

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<v Speaker 1>racial purity, which I think is a little startling because

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<v Speaker 1>you think about all of his sort of seeming good

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<v Speaker 1>works and outreach. Well, there were really a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people during those years who were active in the eugenics

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<v Speaker 1>movement who uh that their activity sort of tarnishes all

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<v Speaker 1>of the other good works that they did by having

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<v Speaker 1>been part of this movement that is, at the time

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<v Speaker 1>was not looked at with quite the level of horror

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<v Speaker 1>as it is today like today, that whole idea really

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<v Speaker 1>really upsetting. Um it was that was not really the

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thought at the time period, and there's late

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundred, early nineteen hundred years and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>race betterment foundations of jectives at the time was to

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<v Speaker 1>start a eugenic registry so that they could ensure racial purity.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's that's another It sounds so alien and unsettling,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the time it was a pretty common right.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a lot of people who I think otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>were ahead of their time and what they were thinking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and then also participated in the eugenics movement, which becomes

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<v Speaker 1>startling to people. Yeah. Um, so that that's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the basics of who this person was. A big part

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<v Speaker 1>of his life was his philosophy on health, and you

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<v Speaker 1>hear a lot about his very more extreme views. When

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<v Speaker 1>you hear about John Harvey Kellogg, it becomes really easy

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<v Speaker 1>to write him off as this kind of weirdo quack

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<v Speaker 1>since a lot of his practices were way apart from

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream thought at the time. They definitely don't hold up

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<v Speaker 1>to scientific scrutiny now, and some of them were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of scientifically questionable even at the time. Um. But in

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<v Speaker 1>spite of that, he was really always on the lookout

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<v Speaker 1>for medical evidence that his theories were actually effective, and

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<v Speaker 1>he did seem to question his beliefs pretty regularly. He

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<v Speaker 1>would he would advocate something, and then when it turned

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<v Speaker 1>out that that was not a good idea and he

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<v Speaker 1>had proof of that, he would turn away from it

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<v Speaker 1>and advocate something else. So it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>quest for the newest and best knowledge, and sometimes it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't pan out, and sometimes it did. Right. Uh. There's

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<v Speaker 1>also the context to consider in the world of medicine

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, pasteurization and the germ theory of disease

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<v Speaker 1>were really only starting to gain a mainstream acceptance. Diseases

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<v Speaker 1>still spread rapidly because of a lack of basic hygiene,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of quote medicines were patent medicines that

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<v Speaker 1>had no real medical value. Cocaine and alat in um

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<v Speaker 1>were being used medicinally. So Kellogg's focus on preventative care

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<v Speaker 1>and healthy living was really groundbreaking in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>As we said before, he was a trained and respected doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of what he believed and wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>mesha is pretty well with common sense health beliefs today,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least mainstream natural health ideas. He advocated healthy eating, exercise, vegetarianism,

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<v Speaker 1>and low calorie diets. Uh. Those last two you could

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<v Speaker 1>sort of argue either way for but in the field

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<v Speaker 1>of holistic health there pretty much staples at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have all kinds of documentations of these ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>For almost seventy years, Kellogg edited a magazine called Good Health.

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<v Speaker 1>It was originally a Seventh Day hadvent This publication called

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<v Speaker 1>Health Reformer, and in this he would publish his philosophies.

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<v Speaker 1>He also wrote many, many books on health and healthy living,

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<v Speaker 1>and much of this material is actually in public domain now,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can find a lot of his books online

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<v Speaker 1>for free. He was really ahead of the curve on

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<v Speaker 1>some of the health ideas that we take for granted today.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an ardent believer that the American diet included

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<v Speaker 1>more protein than people really needed, and that people should

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<v Speaker 1>bathe more often than once it. He also really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>people to wear less restrictive, more breathable clothing than they

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<v Speaker 1>generally did in the nineteenth century. He was also an

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<v Speaker 1>anti smoking advocate long before mainstream culture was ever thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of smoking is hazardous, and he correctly concluded that smoking

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<v Speaker 1>is bad for the heart. Uh from tobacco is m

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<v Speaker 1>or how tobacco kills. He says tobacco in its various

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<v Speaker 1>forms is one of the most mischievous of all drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>There is perhaps no other drug which injures the body

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<v Speaker 1>in so many ways and so universally as does tobacco.

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<v Speaker 1>Some drugs offer a small degree of compensation for the

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<v Speaker 1>evil effects which they produce, but tobacco has not a

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<v Speaker 1>single redeeming feature and gives nothing in return for the

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<v Speaker 1>one point five billion dollars which it costs the nation annually,

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<v Speaker 1>besides the one thousand lives which it probably destroys. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty startlingly modern for He also wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>the dangers of sitting, which is something that's really increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>present in medical literature in the past few years. From

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<v Speaker 1>the simple life in a nutshell, one need not to

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<v Speaker 1>generate physically because his occupation is sedentary. Always sit erect,

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<v Speaker 1>with chest held high and the small the back supported,

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<v Speaker 1>sit as little as possible. Standing and lying are more

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<v Speaker 1>natural and healthful positions than sitting. One may exercise while

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<v Speaker 1>sitting at work by deep breathing and by stiffening the

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<v Speaker 1>muscles of verse one limb a few seconds than the other,

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<v Speaker 1>all the muscles in the body may be exercised this way. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>still going on today, Like that's well, and I stand

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<v Speaker 1>up desk movements, the standing dusk thing is just yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear more and more people talking about their standing desks,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's only been maybe in the last

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<v Speaker 1>five years that that suddenly you're seeing more and more

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<v Speaker 1>research about how how terrible, not just the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>people are not exercising, but the sedentary time they're spending

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<v Speaker 1>sitting yet during during the work day. Kellogg also had

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<v Speaker 1>a huge focus on food, and he developed or refined

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<v Speaker 1>a number of health foods, including peanut butter, soy milk,

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<v Speaker 1>substitutes for coffee and tea, and breakfast cereals, although his

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<v Speaker 1>brother really did a lot of the leg work on

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<v Speaker 1>that one. He also believed in a concept called biologic living,

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<v Speaker 1>which combined a near vegan diet along with other choices

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<v Speaker 1>in a person's lifestyle. Also from The Simple Life in

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<v Speaker 1>a Nutshell, he wrote about this as live out of doors,

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<v Speaker 1>do your work under the trees instead of behind doors.

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<v Speaker 1>And opaque walls. Big in the garden, Explore the woods

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<v Speaker 1>and hills, follow the brooks, watch the squirrels and their gambles,

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<v Speaker 1>and learn the songs of the birds. Pick up a

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping portrait balcony and so taken outing all night long

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<v Speaker 1>and every night, and don't move inside when the frost

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<v Speaker 1>comes Outdoor sleeping is the best life preserver ever known.

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<v Speaker 1>Simple Life in a Nutshell is a good way to

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<v Speaker 1>get an overall sense of his health philosophies, and it

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<v Speaker 1>goes on to outline all kinds of dietary and lifestyle recommendations.

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<v Speaker 1>It covers food, exercise, personal hygiene, sleep, clothing, mental hygiene,

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<v Speaker 1>and some additional suggestions. They start off pretty common sense,

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<v Speaker 1>although maybe not science based, like eating only natural foods,

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<v Speaker 1>avoiding meats, eating eggs only in moderation, avoiding cow's milk

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<v Speaker 1>and animal fats, emphasizes getting the fat your body needs

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<v Speaker 1>from olives and nuts instead. He also goes on to

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<v Speaker 1>recommend that people avoid quote poison containing foods which are coffee, tea, chocolate,

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<v Speaker 1>and cocoa, and he recommends that people get completely rid

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<v Speaker 1>of all condiments and spicy foods. This is where in

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<v Speaker 1>that particular synopsis of sort of what his health believed,

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<v Speaker 1>where he starts to lose me at this point of it's, uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying I made a cup of coffee and a

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<v Speaker 1>travel cups so I could take it in the shower

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<v Speaker 1>with me this morning. Yes, I'm definitely going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time embracing this cop right, even though I

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that this is probably it would be extremely helpful,

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<v Speaker 1>but it would also evolved for me at least a

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<v Speaker 1>loss of some quality of life. His mental hygiene ideas

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<v Speaker 1>included not worrying or becoming self centered, practicing self control,

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<v Speaker 1>taking a vacation when you start dreaming about work, and

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<v Speaker 1>avoiding patent medicines, as well as avoiding alcohol, tobacco, and drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>which is all pretty common sense, uh kind of advice

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<v Speaker 1>to to go buy. So you know, so far we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about a lot of stuff that's pretty reasonable. If

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little more restrictive and bland, then we would

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<v Speaker 1>like um hey. He also for a while was pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that people should fletcherize their food, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just to to it until it became sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>goofy mask that would go down your throat on its own. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>This idea came from Horace Fletcher, known as the Great masticator,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where the two each bite thirty two times

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<v Speaker 1>rule comes from. So this is an example of where

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<v Speaker 1>when evidence started to suggest that maybe that was not

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<v Speaker 1>the best idea, John Harvey Kellogg changed his point of view. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>He moved away of recommending that people fletcherized their food

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<v Speaker 1>once he determined that that much chewing was basically pulverizing

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<v Speaker 1>the food's fiber into uselessness. So you were denying yourself

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits of fibrous foods. UH. From his New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times obituary, there's a quote an authority on water therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the discoverer of the therapeutic value of the

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<v Speaker 1>electric light and inventor of the electric light bath. He

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<v Speaker 1>was also the discoverer of the sine soidal current. So

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<v Speaker 1>this was the point in the world of John Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>Killogg's health beliefs, that is, it starts to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>nudge into the Okay, not sure what's going on there.

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<v Speaker 1>This is clearly something that people would have known what

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<v Speaker 1>it was about, because it was in his obituary when

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<v Speaker 1>it was printed. But at this point they're far enough

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<v Speaker 1>out of the mainstream thought that I had to go

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<v Speaker 1>look up what they were. Um. The electric light bath

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<v Speaker 1>was a device that you would sit in. It enclosed

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<v Speaker 1>everything but your head, and inside of it were lots

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<v Speaker 1>and lots of light bulbs and clusters that were that

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<v Speaker 1>were directed at different parts of your body. He built

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<v Speaker 1>one and used it by his own counts, so who

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<v Speaker 1>knows that this number is inflated in fifty cases. He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote in the book Light Therapeutics about his precursors using

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<v Speaker 1>light to basically cure everything, but he wrote about mostly

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<v Speaker 1>using it in short treatments to draw blood into the skin,

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<v Speaker 1>saying that doing so would treat kidney disease, diabetes, rheumatic diseases, anemia,

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<v Speaker 1>and other diseases. He also advocated the use of the

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<v Speaker 1>light bath as a preventive measure and people who had

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<v Speaker 1>sedentary lifestyles, calling it quote the best substitute for muscular activity.

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<v Speaker 1>And the sinus sodal current was a high frequency, oscillating

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<v Speaker 1>electrical current that would make muscles contract without causing pain,

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<v Speaker 1>and he used this to make a device meant to

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<v Speaker 1>exercise the muscles without having to actually move, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that people are still trying to do today. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Both of these things have analogs that are in actual

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<v Speaker 1>medical use today, like light therapy for seasonal effective disorder

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<v Speaker 1>UM and electrical stimulation that's used in some physical therapies,

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<v Speaker 1>but neither of them today or in sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>widespread cure all everyone should do this fashion of of

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<v Speaker 1>what Kellogg was advocating. And additionally a lot of his

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<v Speaker 1>health practices were focused on the bowel. There were lots

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<v Speaker 1>and lots of enemas and colonic irrigations in his approach

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<v Speaker 1>to health and wellness. That all the stuff with the

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<v Speaker 1>enemas and the colon and all of that, it comes

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<v Speaker 1>up over and over and is one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that starts to mark John Harvey Kellogg is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little bit off base in terms of what

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<v Speaker 1>he advocated, and there are still people to advocate for those,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not like a widespread accepted medical approach to

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<v Speaker 1>treating conditions the way that Kellogg was advocating for. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was probably he was pretty much giving everyone who

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<v Speaker 1>came to the sanitarium anema's all time as a course

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<v Speaker 1>of general health and wellness. So sometimes when you will

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<v Speaker 1>see in a like some kind of quack doctor in

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<v Speaker 1>a movie he was saying, oh, you should you need

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<v Speaker 1>an enema? That it is absolutely a call back to him.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also into electrical electro therapy and vibrational therapy,

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<v Speaker 1>and again both of these do have some uses today,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was pretty much advocating them in broad widespread

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<v Speaker 1>use on everyone often. And he had some very restrictive

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<v Speaker 1>views on sex. Uh. It was in his mind barely

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<v Speaker 1>acceptable even within marriage and then only very infrequently. It

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<v Speaker 1>was certainly unacceptable outside of marriage. And he was very,

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<v Speaker 1>very very focused on people not masturbating ever. Uh. He

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<v Speaker 1>blamed masturbation for everything from poor posture to cancer. He

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<v Speaker 1>was in favor of circumcision without anesthetic for boys, and

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<v Speaker 1>the application of carbolic acid to the clitter is for

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<v Speaker 1>girls as an anti master Asian tool. Yes, Yake, is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what I was thinking. I just I'm sure listeners

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<v Speaker 1>like me are um feeling tense right at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>So John Harvey Kellogg put all of these beliefs into

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<v Speaker 1>active practice at the Battle Creek Sanitarium also known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Sand, where he became the chief physician in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six, when he was only twenty four. He also

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<v Speaker 1>opened a second sanitarium in Miami Springs, Florida, in one

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<v Speaker 1>The SAND had been originally opened in eighteen sixty six

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<v Speaker 1>as the Western Health Reform Institute, which was a health

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<v Speaker 1>facility based on Seventh Day Adventist beliefs in practices. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea was to treat illnesses naturally and to encourage people

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<v Speaker 1>into preventative wellness practices. So its heart was in the

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<v Speaker 1>right place for sure, really, especially considering the state of

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<v Speaker 1>medicine at the time, and it wasn't really all that

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<v Speaker 1>successful before John got there. There wasn't an official medical

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<v Speaker 1>staff and it housed only about twenty patients when John

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<v Speaker 1>came on board, so one of the first things that

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<v Speaker 1>he did was to hire a staff of doctors and nurses.

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<v Speaker 1>He set about trying to attract a clientele, and his

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<v Speaker 1>target market was primarily made up of people who had

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<v Speaker 1>things we might think of today as stress related illnesses,

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<v Speaker 1>so Harry businessmen experiencing things like exhaustion and chronic indigestion.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of what went on at the SAND were

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<v Speaker 1>common sense wellness practices like eating healthy, if extremely bland food, exercising,

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<v Speaker 1>and abstaining from alcohol. And tobacco, uh, and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that you'd also think of when you

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<v Speaker 1>hear the word spa, like massages and nice relaxing baths.

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<v Speaker 1>But it also had all kinds of the electrical and

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<v Speaker 1>vibrational treatments that like we talked about earlier, lots and

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<v Speaker 1>lots of electric light therapies and enemas and all the

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<v Speaker 1>other sorts of things that are sort of regarded as

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<v Speaker 1>quackery today. And it ended up becoming a retreat for

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<v Speaker 1>the rich, and some really famous people actually visited the

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<v Speaker 1>Sand to take the cure, including John D. Rockefeller, Amelia

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<v Speaker 1>Earhart sojourn Or Truth, and Mary Todd Lincoln. A fire

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed part of the Sanitarium in nineteen o two, including

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<v Speaker 1>all of the main building, but it was eventually rebuilt.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen o three. John's relationship with the church became

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<v Speaker 1>strained after he published a book that didn't entirely mesh

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<v Speaker 1>with the Adventist doctrine. He ultimately split from the church,

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<v Speaker 1>and he set up the Sanitarium as an independent entity

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<v Speaker 1>with its own board, making a nondenominational institution. The Sand

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<v Speaker 1>reached its height of popularity in nineteen o six that year,

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<v Speaker 1>it received seven thousand guests and employed eighteen hundred staff.

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<v Speaker 1>It continued to operate until the Great Depression, when financial

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances forced John to sell it after sixty seven years.

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<v Speaker 1>And today's preponderance of breakfast cereals is thanks in part

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<v Speaker 1>to The Sand, where the biologic diet was so boring

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<v Speaker 1>and monotonous that John was constantly looking for alternatives that

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<v Speaker 1>fit the philosophical criteria but also offered variety. While John

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<v Speaker 1>was the staff position at the Sand, his brother will

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Kellogg, also known as w K. Kellogg, managed the sanitarium,

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<v Speaker 1>handling the books, the supplies, the general maintenance, all of

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. So while John was seeing to

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<v Speaker 1>the medical end of things, w K was handling pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much all of the day to day running of the place.

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<v Speaker 1>The administration, yes, and their relationship wasn't always on the

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<v Speaker 1>best of terms. John could be a taskmaster and w

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<v Speaker 1>K worked really long hours for very little pay, allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>seven days a week with no vacations for seven years,

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<v Speaker 1>which is interesting because it seems to contradict his brother

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<v Speaker 1>John's writings, which say to observe the Sabbath without working

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<v Speaker 1>at all, and he advocates for taking a vacation when

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<v Speaker 1>you start to dream about work, So assumably, yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>assumably if w K had been working seven days a

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<v Speaker 1>week for his taskmaster brother for seven years in a vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>he's probably dreaming about work often, probably horrible nightmares and stress.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, John's seemed to be like, you all should

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<v Speaker 1>do this unless you were me, were my brother, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the two of us working diligently to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of you do the things. Yes, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little unclear exactly which of the Kellogg brothers really invented

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<v Speaker 1>wheat flakes, which were a wheat based version of what

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<v Speaker 1>we think of as corn flakes today. That happened in

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the case in quite a number of inventions.

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<v Speaker 1>John claimed the idea for how to make these wheat

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<v Speaker 1>flakes came to him in a dream. We've had to

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<v Speaker 1>come up in several podcasts, But according to other sources,

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<v Speaker 1>John had given w K this easy to digest but

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<v Speaker 1>very disgusting to eat wheat paste and told him to

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<v Speaker 1>try to make something good out of it. W K

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<v Speaker 1>left a batch of it out overnight where it started

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<v Speaker 1>to dry out, and when he came in in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>he rolled what was left through rollers and then baked

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<v Speaker 1>it and it was actually pretty good, and they named

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<v Speaker 1>it Granos. Yes, this wasn't the first ever breakfast cereal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pre date. It's predated by Granula, which was created

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<v Speaker 1>by James Caleb Jackson that was made from Graham flour

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<v Speaker 1>and it was not really delicious, so it did not

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<v Speaker 1>take off once it was introduced. John also made a

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<v Speaker 1>cereal made of corn meal and oatmeal biscuits which were

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<v Speaker 1>then ground, named Granula, and they actually got sued and

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<v Speaker 1>they had to rename it Granola. Yes, it probably was

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<v Speaker 1>not as smartest idea to make a thing that was

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<v Speaker 1>like your competitors thing in the name of the same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>because then you might get sued. It was also predated

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<v Speaker 1>by shredded wheat, which was invented by Henry D. Perky

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<v Speaker 1>of Colorado in eightee. He had promised to sell John

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<v Speaker 1>a shredding machine which he was going to use to

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<v Speaker 1>make his own shredded wheat, but he never delivered, which

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the things that led to this experimentation

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<v Speaker 1>of making cereals from other foods and Will and John

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<v Speaker 1>started Sanitas Food Company in eight to sell their cereal.

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<v Speaker 1>In their first year they sold more than one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand pounds of granose. Their factory, as it was called,

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<v Speaker 1>was actually a barn on the grounds of the sand.

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<v Speaker 1>They brought out corn flakes in and the profit margin

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<v Speaker 1>was huge, and as people figured this out, suddenly there

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<v Speaker 1>were a lot of competitors. One was C. W. Post,

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<v Speaker 1>who founded what became the Post Cereal Company, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a former sanitarium patient, and Post distributed a pamphlet called

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<v Speaker 1>The Road to Wellville with his cereals. The novel in

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<v Speaker 1>later movie got their name from that pamphlet. Post earliest

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<v Speaker 1>products were Post Them, which was a coffee substitute made

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<v Speaker 1>from cereal, which giuse me a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>chin scratch to go, hm, I would try that, and

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<v Speaker 1>grape nuts. Great nuts still survived today. John was really

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<v Speaker 1>reluctant to promote the sale of these cereals. He was

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<v Speaker 1>afraid that it was going to somehow reflect badly on

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<v Speaker 1>the sand. So his brother did it all on his own,

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<v Speaker 1>putting together a marketing campaign that included everything from door

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<v Speaker 1>to door taste tests to big window displays, and in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety, while John was abroad, Will actually went ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and built a factory to replace the barn, which John

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<v Speaker 1>may and pay fifty dollars for after he returned. Will

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<v Speaker 1>also took advantage of one of John's trips abroad to

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<v Speaker 1>add sugar to corn flakes, which of course deepened the

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<v Speaker 1>divide between them. Yes, John, of course was not in

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<v Speaker 1>favor of adding sugar to anything. Um, they did kind

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<v Speaker 1>of men things a little bit. They established the Battle

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<v Speaker 1>Creek Toasted corn Flake Company in nineteen oh six. Will

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<v Speaker 1>owned a third of it and John owned the other

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<v Speaker 1>two thirds. The employees were mostly paid in stock because

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<v Speaker 1>John was not a general a generous person when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to giving other people money. So, once again employing

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of quick while he's not looking strategy, Will

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<v Speaker 1>would quietly buy up the employees stock that they were

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<v Speaker 1>being paid in while John was away. So he eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>through doing this, gained a controlling share in the company

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<v Speaker 1>and was able to basically kick his brother out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's quite a sibling relationship. Yeah, they did not seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have the most loving and supportive uh feeling between that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The Kellogg serial story goes on from there. But long

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>story short, the Kellogg Company became a juggernaut. It was

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<v Speaker 1>doing good business by the twenties, so by the time

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Depression took hold, people were thinking of cereals

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 1>as daily staples, and while the idea of a health

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<v Speaker 1>spa had become a completely frivolous expense. Uh the Kellogg

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Company thus became this huge institution of provisions, but John

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately mostly became considered something of a joke. Yeah, his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Ella died in nineteen twenty. John himself had wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>live to be a hundred, but he died on December fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>three in Battle Creek at the age of His cause

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<v Speaker 1>of death was pneumonia. And in his mix of medicine

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<v Speaker 1>and alternative practices, you might compare him to some of

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 1>today's famous doctors like Depect Chopra, who is both a

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<v Speaker 1>board certified doctor and a holistic health practitioner who has

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:57.920
<v Speaker 1>taught at prestigious medical schools, or even doctor mem at Oz,

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 1>who was a heart surgeon who was often on some

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of health bandwagon. Like they're both people that are credential,

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>but they also are willing to kind of look at

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>new approaches to health and wellness. And he kind of

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 1>was similar in that regard. Yeah, he just happened to

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:14.679
<v Speaker 1>have a farther flung idea of what would be a

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 1>good thing to do to a body. Uh. Then some

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:19.919
<v Speaker 1>of the things that are going on today. Well, and

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>he was working without the benefits of many of the

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 1>things we've learned in the interim. His experiments and concepts

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of didn't have the level of information we have today. Well,

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and some of the things that he was really in

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.120
<v Speaker 1>favor of continue to be a focus in the world

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 1>of natural health, Like there continues to be a focus

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 1>on the bowel and your bowels being a clean place

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>in the world of alternative medicine, and questioning our high

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>levels of protein in our diet still being discussed and

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 1>often being supported. Yeah. So, while he definitely had some

0:28:54.760 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>ideas that we're maybe not the greatest in terms of health. Uh.

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 1>And the troubling association troubling is not even a strong

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 1>enough word, but his association with the eugenics movement, he

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>still did manage to to do some productive and healthy

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>work related to people's care for themselves. Um, and now

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 1>we have corn flakes, which I kind of wanted corn

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>flakes really badly after doing research. Even though I'm not

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.719
<v Speaker 1>really into corn flakes that much either, but we have

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>them thanks to the Kellogg brothers. Yes, do you also

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>have some listener mail for us? I do. This listener

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>mail came to us with a present. It is from

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Ian and says, dear, stuff he missed in History Class podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>These cookies are and Zach Biscuits. The recipe became popular

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 1>during World War One because the cookies lasted long enough

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>to be mailed off to the soldiers in the Australia

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>New Zealand Army Corps and Zach on the other side

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>of the world. No doubt the soldiers involved in the

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>EMU War would have been familiar with them. I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to make a batch myself, but my fiance pointed

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 1>out that since you guys don't know me, they would

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>probably fall into the same category as Halloween candy. I

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 1>would like to take a moment and thank your fiance,

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>because truthfully, yes, homemade goodies that come to our desk

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 1>are probably not going to go into my mouth. Yea,

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 1>they might. Other people might be less weird about that

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 1>than I am, But but I'm weird about that. I'm

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 1>on the fence. It depends on what mood I'm in

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>When You Catch Me, So the letter goes on. After

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<v Speaker 1>World War One, a lot of returning soldiers in Australia

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and New Zealand were given farms as a reward for

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<v Speaker 1>their services, with some mixed results. For example, around Wanganui

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>in New Zealand, a whole settlement was founded in bush

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 1>land and the only way in was by a flying

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>fox over the local river. The plan was to build

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>a bridge later. However, the soldier farmers quickly found that

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 1>the land they had been given was not very good

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 1>for farming, so they cut their losses and gave up

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>on it. By the time the bridge was built, the

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.479
<v Speaker 1>settlement was just about abandoned. It remains today, but with

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the roads to it cut off by landslides and overgrowth,

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>making it a bridge to nowhere. I love the podcast,

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 1>especially how it deals with the more down to earth

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>subjects such as the invention of the sewing machine or

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.120
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0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Compliments my In Our Time podcasts with Melvin brag quite nicely.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to thank you very much Ian for

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>writing this lovely letter. I loved hearing about the Bridge

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to Nowhere. We also liked the cookies. I ate, uh,

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I ate three or four of the cookies, and then

0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I sealed up the box and then I ate three

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 1>or four more of the cookies. And then I decided

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>that for my own protection, I should take them to

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>our break area. And they were gone in minutes. It

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>was like a buzz went through well. I went back up.

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I was like, maybe there's one more cookie, and it

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>had not been long at all, and they were all gone.

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>They were kind of reminiscent of ginger snaps, but with

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a little different flavor. The texture was kind of ginger

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 1>snap like. So thank you so much for sending those

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