WEBVTT - NFL Draft Triple Take (CB), April 12, 2022

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>Draft Triple Take, presented by U P m C. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Mike pursued it along with Dale Wally and Matt Williamson.

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<v Speaker 1>We are prepping you and getting you ready for the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL Draft to the extent that we've gone over not

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<v Speaker 1>just every position, but now we are in the process

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<v Speaker 1>of taking a further review at every position, going over

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<v Speaker 1>every position not once, but twice. The difference that's saw

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<v Speaker 1>the one but significant first time around. We each gave

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<v Speaker 1>you our top five candidates for drafting at the positions

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<v Speaker 1>cornerback in terms of what we're talking about today, and

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<v Speaker 1>this time around, we're giving you a riser, a faller,

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<v Speaker 1>and a sleeper. Now, I'm gonna go just a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit out of order on this one because one of

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<v Speaker 1>the dynamics that has developed as we've done these one

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<v Speaker 1>of the characteristics is that Dale and Matt, who are

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<v Speaker 1>each other's work wife, her husband, whoever you want to

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<v Speaker 1>phrase that, they they performed so admirably together on the

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<v Speaker 1>drive on s n R. They have often come up

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<v Speaker 1>with the same guy this time around whatever, the same

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<v Speaker 1>rise or the same fall or the same sleeper, but

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<v Speaker 1>this time, guys, we we completed the hat trick. We

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<v Speaker 1>are are follower is unanimous, and he is uh darien. Yeah, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to lead us off and then we'll all

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<v Speaker 1>just give a little insight as to why, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy played defense for the national champs and he's falling.

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<v Speaker 1>How can this be? Yeah, he's he's won a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of football games, He's been an integral part for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of teams. But he has some off the field things,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that we're a worry before all this process.

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<v Speaker 1>I think playing on that awesome Georgia defense gives you

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<v Speaker 1>some leeway too. It makes life a little easier when

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<v Speaker 1>the pass rush is getting home like that. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't work out at the combine and ran a

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<v Speaker 1>four seven five in the forty and his jumps were

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<v Speaker 1>also pretty poor, so his tenure split was really slow too.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it just was had a good workout for

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<v Speaker 1>him at all. And is Matt mentioned that off the

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<v Speaker 1>field stuff? I mean he got kicked out of Clemson,

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<v Speaker 1>asked to leave Clemson, and ended up at Georgia. Talk

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<v Speaker 1>about going for like how does that happen? Like, oh, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna leave this national championship program to go to

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<v Speaker 1>this one. Uh, you know, so good for him, but

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<v Speaker 1>those times that that workout did not help him at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And and uh he might have to move to safety. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting. You know, he was a wide receiver Clemson

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<v Speaker 1>initially I think fifteen passes for their for their national

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<v Speaker 1>championship team. In team he eventually got kicked out. And

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<v Speaker 1>the head coach Dabos when he says he loves them,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's just it's just something that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't hold it against the kid. Uh. Kirby smart

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<v Speaker 1>raved about him. Uh, particularly after Georgia thump Michigan. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the m v P of the Orange Bowl, the

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<v Speaker 1>National Championship semi final, a couple of interceptions, but uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned those times. And you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things we've talked about a lot during these shows is

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<v Speaker 1>that being great it's not as great as it usually

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<v Speaker 1>is because there's so many freaks out there that have

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<v Speaker 1>gone so far past what our normal standard is for

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<v Speaker 1>being really impressed. This is not the year to be

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<v Speaker 1>going the other way, particularly off the field. There's just

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<v Speaker 1>too many people available that don't have bad times. That

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a relatively checkered past, too many strikes against him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he needed he needed to run well to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of alleviate some of those issues for the off

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<v Speaker 1>the field stuff, and it just didn't happen. Day. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>stick with you will do rise or second? Usually we

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<v Speaker 1>lead off with that, but uh, well we'll take that

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<v Speaker 1>second this time around. Who you got? I got Tarik

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<v Speaker 1>wool in a Texas, San Antonio And and this is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy again who caught my eye at a Senior Bowl. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They were putting out a spreadsheet every day down there

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<v Speaker 1>that they send out to the media of who were

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<v Speaker 1>the fastest guys. Uh. During the practices they had the

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<v Speaker 1>trackers on them, and he ran like twenty three was

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<v Speaker 1>a late was a late addition to the Senior Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, okay, I gotta start watching this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I watched him in the next couple of practice, Like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>is he big? I didn't know how big? Six four

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<v Speaker 1>two oh five and he had a four to six

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<v Speaker 1>forty at the at the NFL scouting combine, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a forty two inch vertical. You want to talk freaky athletes,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy might be the freakiest athlete in this entire draft. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>now he's gonna be raw. Um you know U T.

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<v Speaker 1>S A Is not a big time program. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>you could take this guy in the in the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in that day two and and mold him a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit and you're gonna have something there. Because at six

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<v Speaker 1>four two oh five, to be that fast shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>humanly possible. And they have a lot of those guys

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<v Speaker 1>that are. They're really long striders, are really high cut

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<v Speaker 1>like sprinters, you know, like you saying bowl. But he

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<v Speaker 1>can change direction and drop his hips. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to work with their Yeah, I'd like that, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't gonna overthink him. Six four two oh five,

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<v Speaker 1>four point to six. I had him number five when

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<v Speaker 1>we did the top five. Now, I think that was

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<v Speaker 1>way higher than most people initially assessed this stuff, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why I had relatively low hanging fruit from my riser.

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<v Speaker 1>I went with Roger McCreary of Auburn, who's a really

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<v Speaker 1>good player, just missed cracking my top five, but uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just checking the boxes as a lot of them are,

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<v Speaker 1>just maybe not in an unprecedented fashion, but uh, really

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<v Speaker 1>good football player. Got his forty down to four point

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<v Speaker 1>four six at the Auburn Pro Day. Uh. The only

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<v Speaker 1>thing I don't like about him is everybody keeps talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this story how he child's baked beans with sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>That's his that's his favorite meal. And uh, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I want to be around him while he's

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<v Speaker 1>eating it. I don't know if I want to be

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<v Speaker 1>around him after he's eating He's sitting around the campfire,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a blazing saddle style secret weapon on

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<v Speaker 1>the field. But he he does not lack confidence and

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of the SEC. Why would he because there

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<v Speaker 1>have been many, many, many receivers coming out of the

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<v Speaker 1>SEC last couple of years. He's seen them all. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Good football player. Uh yeah. In this draft, if you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't run a sub for four at the cornerback position,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's gonna talk about you. Matt. Uh you went up

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<v Speaker 1>to a happy valley for your riser. Yeah. I almost

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<v Speaker 1>went with Jalen Armar Davis from Alabama. Yeah, as I

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<v Speaker 1>say it, But I went with another guy, a young

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<v Speaker 1>man with three names here in three castro fields from

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<v Speaker 1>Penn State. Um. I think he has some technique work

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<v Speaker 1>to do. I think he's gonna, you know, need a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of time. A boy he has traits. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he's six to almost two hundred pounds long, like

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<v Speaker 1>he's built in a lab to play press man coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also flexible. We can go up and play the

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<v Speaker 1>ball high pointed and he ran a four three forty

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<v Speaker 1>And indeed, so I'll take my chances on developing him.

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<v Speaker 1>This is becoming more of a thing, is it not.

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting away from this guy had eighteen sacks, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting more towards projecting what a guy with this

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<v Speaker 1>height and this weight that runs an x x x

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<v Speaker 1>forty yard dash. We're getting more towards that part of

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<v Speaker 1>it than we are the proven production, are we not?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. I mean especially this time of year.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that at times, that's when mistakes are

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<v Speaker 1>made to you forget what you're watched on tape, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just kind of what have you done for

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<v Speaker 1>me lately? Process at times, and I think there's some

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<v Speaker 1>mistakes made that way. But I also think analytics has

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<v Speaker 1>something to do with it that if I see all

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<v Speaker 1>these measurables and I've got ten years of data to

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<v Speaker 1>look at, when my hit rates pretty good. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>stay in that lane. You know, it works out well

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<v Speaker 1>when when both things mesh, when you have production and

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<v Speaker 1>and that. But you look at the other way, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>why didn't he have any sacks? Why didn't he have

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<v Speaker 1>any production? Because he has all these athletic traits, so

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<v Speaker 1>he goes both ways. Stay with you, Dale, interesting sleep

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<v Speaker 1>where you came up with. Yeah, I'm gonna stay at

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<v Speaker 1>the small school guys, kind of like I did with U. T.

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<v Speaker 1>S A. I'm going to Sam Houston State from my

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<v Speaker 1>sleeper cornerback as Ziam McCullum again, another good size cornerback

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<v Speaker 1>six to one. He ran a four three three forty

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<v Speaker 1>at the combine with a thirty nine inch vertical and

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<v Speaker 1>then at a three nine four twenty yards shuttle. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a guy who not only has those intangibles,

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<v Speaker 1>the the athleticism, he had thirteen interceptions in college as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's actually got production as well as measurables. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but again it's a small school. He originally

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<v Speaker 1>signed with Utah coming out of coming out of college

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<v Speaker 1>or out of high school in in in Texas as

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<v Speaker 1>a twin brother. The twin brother and he decided they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to stay closer to home. They're both I guess

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<v Speaker 1>they lined up at safety in high school. They were

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<v Speaker 1>the two starting efeties and they're they're identical twin brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>Go figure that out, uh, you know, trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out that if you're a quarterback. So you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>ended up going to Sam Houston State. And again it

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<v Speaker 1>was a five year player there, which you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of those guys in this year's draft.

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<v Speaker 1>But thirteen interceptions in five seasons, that's good. That's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good ball skills for me. Now you're keeping it in

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<v Speaker 1>the lone star state. Tell us about Marcus Jones from Houston.

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<v Speaker 1>He is five eights exactly. He's not five eight and

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter. Uh. He doesn't have long arms, he has

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<v Speaker 1>a small hands. He's only a slot corner and we

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<v Speaker 1>can you know, discuss, you know, what's a true slot

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<v Speaker 1>worth in today's NFL. But everything else is about to

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<v Speaker 1>say about him is awesome. I love this player. He

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<v Speaker 1>is unbelievably twitchy, He has great feet, He is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>designed to deal with the Edelman's and the Welker types

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<v Speaker 1>out of the slot. He is tough, he has great

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<v Speaker 1>ball skills. Um, he's a valuable contributor on defense, but

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<v Speaker 1>only in that role. But this is what I love

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<v Speaker 1>about him. He's the best returner in the entire class.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he has nine career return touchdowns and also

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<v Speaker 1>will run down on punts and kickoffs. As a gunner.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he'll stick his face in the fire. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>his new team even hands him the football or gets

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<v Speaker 1>him on offense. I mean, this guy is a great

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<v Speaker 1>football player, and I truly believe if he were six

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<v Speaker 1>ft he might be a top ten day he were

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<v Speaker 1>five ten, he might be. Right now, he just he

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<v Speaker 1>just isn't. That's the only problem, right, he never will be.

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<v Speaker 1>My sleeper is a Lante Taylor of Tennessee, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who at the start of the process people were wondering

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<v Speaker 1>is he a corner or is he his safety? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he ran really well at Tennessee's pro day. Uh well,

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<v Speaker 1>actually in Indianapolis as well. Um six ft hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>nine nine pounds, and one of his biggest backers throughout

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<v Speaker 1>this offseason process has been Jim Nagy, who's the executive

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<v Speaker 1>director of the Senior Bowl. He's seen a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys come and go. He says that Taylor. Nagy says,

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor is inarguably the most innately physical corner available. Not

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he's that, but he's physical and

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<v Speaker 1>he can run it. So again, don't have to to

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<v Speaker 1>go too too far. Once you get into, uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>portion of the draft where the sleepers are are being

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<v Speaker 1>heard from, all the more reason to go with the

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<v Speaker 1>measurables and and the you know, projections as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>the production. Not that he's a bad player at Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>binding stretch of the imagination, but I think as this

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<v Speaker 1>process has continued, he's shown people he is a corner

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<v Speaker 1>and he might be a pretty good one. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a nice sleeper there. I think it is. If Nagy

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<v Speaker 1>is his biggest supporter, Ramon and Foster might be his

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<v Speaker 1>second biggest supporter, because well, anybody who went to Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, automatically the way that goes. Yeah, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget the one year Ramon showed up to camp

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<v Speaker 1>and he had to tee the tennis See logo wheel

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<v Speaker 1>covers and then he got he got out of the clippers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>come for you remote, you know what, forever that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do it for quarterbacks. Probably not a moment too soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I was about ready to start singing the sport and

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<v Speaker 1>fight song. I was getting so fired up. You can

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<v Speaker 1>get all this stuff on all the Steelers social media platforms. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for finding us. We we appreciate it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've been with us all along, we really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're new to the show, well we're happy about

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<v Speaker 1>that as well. We're gonna keep doing it right up

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<v Speaker 1>until Draft night, uh late April, the first round on

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<v Speaker 1>a Thursday night, then rounds two and three on a Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it finishes up on Saturday. And uh, if

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not prepared as you need to be by

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<v Speaker 1>then it's because well you just haven't been paying close

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<v Speaker 1>enough attention. That's gonna do it for us. For Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Williamson and Dale Lollly on Mike, pursuit of this has

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<v Speaker 1>been still another edition to the NFL Draft Triple Take,

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