WEBVTT - New Abnormal

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woke F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording pre recording from my

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<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn Silarium. Folks, it is woke Wednesday, but more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>it is my birthday, and I just want to start

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<v Speaker 1>off today's show by saying just how much gratitude I

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<v Speaker 1>have for each and every single one of you that

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<v Speaker 1>have been supporting woke F for quite some time on

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon and those of you who have been riding with

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<v Speaker 1>me since serious days. It's been quite an amazing journey,

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<v Speaker 1>and I find that these days, on my birthday, I

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<v Speaker 1>actually just want to give gratitude to all of the

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<v Speaker 1>people around me. My family, my friends, you all, woke

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<v Speaker 1>a F nation. Um. You know, the past couple of years,

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<v Speaker 1>I think for all of us have been so incredibly trying.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been tested in a lot of different ways. And

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<v Speaker 1>for me, you know, the journey I have shared with

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<v Speaker 1>you all has been a long one to get to

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<v Speaker 1>a place where right now I can say I've learned

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<v Speaker 1>several things that I would like to kind of share

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<v Speaker 1>this morning before we get into our normal Woke Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with our favorite in house doctor Doctor Jonathan Metzel.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've been I've learned a couple of things over

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<v Speaker 1>the past few years, and one of it, one of

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<v Speaker 1>them is this that I want to center my life

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<v Speaker 1>and my work around feeling right, and around feelings of joy,

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<v Speaker 1>feelings of passion, feelings of gratitude, feelings of peace. And

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<v Speaker 1>I say that knowing you know that you all listen

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<v Speaker 1>to me every single day, rage against the machine. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that I have really understood about what it

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<v Speaker 1>means to be angry. And there's a book that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually reading right now, and I'm hoping that we will

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<v Speaker 1>have the author on which talks about how important anger

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<v Speaker 1>is and that it is important to embody anger. That

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<v Speaker 1>anger is purposeful, right. Anger is a motivator. Anger springs

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<v Speaker 1>us into action. But when we hold that anger right,

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<v Speaker 1>it begins to eat us from the inside out. It

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<v Speaker 1>is toxic, right, That's why it is important to express

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<v Speaker 1>it and get it out. But understand more importantly, what

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<v Speaker 1>is it that is causing the anger? Right for adults,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike children, when children get into their tantrums, when they

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<v Speaker 1>get angry, they do that physically right, or yell or

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<v Speaker 1>scream because they don't really have the articulation or or

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<v Speaker 1>have the ability to truly interrogate their emotions. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>a term that I've been using a lot lately, interrogate

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<v Speaker 1>your feelings. I've been saying this to friends, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to say to all of you, and what do

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<v Speaker 1>I mean by interrogate your feelings? I mean get to

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<v Speaker 1>the why. Right. It's okay to feel sad, It's okay

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<v Speaker 1>to feel lonely, it's okay to feel enraged, it's okay

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<v Speaker 1>to feel exhausted. Right. I think that we live in

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<v Speaker 1>a culture where we're really not allowed to express our feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>and particularly if you come from a marginalized community. We

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<v Speaker 1>all know the tropes about angry black women. You know

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<v Speaker 1>the aggressive black man. We all know the hot Latino.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the stereotypes and tropes that are thrown at

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<v Speaker 1>us that have us, in a lot of ways dismiss

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<v Speaker 1>our emotions. And what happens when we do that is

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<v Speaker 1>that they bottle up, much like traffic on a highway

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<v Speaker 1>with no exits insight. Right, there's no free flowing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming to understand that life really is about how

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<v Speaker 1>we move in alignment and how we move in flow

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<v Speaker 1>with our feelings and allow them to happen. And I say,

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<v Speaker 1>interrogate your feelings, because get to your why. There are

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<v Speaker 1>some days when I find myself completely depleted, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't just say, oh well I'm depleted, let me go

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<v Speaker 1>take a nap or let me go zone out. But

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<v Speaker 1>what is causing that depletion? Right? Because if I can

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<v Speaker 1>get to if I can begin to mind those emotions,

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<v Speaker 1>that I can get to a place where I can understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I do something to disrupt my schedule? Right? Did

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<v Speaker 1>I get enough sleep? Did I drink enough of water?

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<v Speaker 1>Did I fall out of my regular routine and begin

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<v Speaker 1>doing so now I'm exhausted? Right? Did I have an

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<v Speaker 1>outlet for myself this day? Did I speak to my friends?

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<v Speaker 1>Did I speak to my family? You know? How? Was

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<v Speaker 1>I engaging? And a lot of times I find that

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<v Speaker 1>on the days where I feel really depleted and really exhausted,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't worked out right? And for me, initially, when

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<v Speaker 1>I started really aggressively working out, it was always surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by weight loss. Every time that I would get on

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<v Speaker 1>these workout you know binges and things, it was always

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<v Speaker 1>about I need to get to this particular number on

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<v Speaker 1>the scale. I need to get to this particular number

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<v Speaker 1>that's hanging in my closet. But nowadays I actually in

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic has been really helpful in this fact that

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<v Speaker 1>I look at my workouts as a way to stress relief. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I am filled with a lot of rage. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of shit to be angry about. If you are

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention, then you were angry. But it's what else

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<v Speaker 1>am I doing with that? The show, right, the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as Wednesdays and you democracy Ish and these

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<v Speaker 1>places in this form of my work have been outlets

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways, but they've also been depleting.

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<v Speaker 1>So I look for ways in which to understand the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of why I'm having these feelings and then understand

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<v Speaker 1>what does it mean to alleviate them. So for me,

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<v Speaker 1>walking doing high intensity training really makes me feel good, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It gives me energy, and particularly when I say that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm exhausted. But then I managed to put my yoga

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<v Speaker 1>mat down on the floor right behind me and get

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<v Speaker 1>into a workout. By the time that I'm finished, I

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<v Speaker 1>do really feel better. My mother wasn't lying to me

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<v Speaker 1>all of this time when she would say go do yoga,

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<v Speaker 1>go meditate, go work out and I would say, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to lay on the couch and marinate

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<v Speaker 1>in my misery. That I realized that that is an

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<v Speaker 1>outlet for me. So I say, feel your feelings right,

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<v Speaker 1>allow yourself to go through your emotions. You know, observe

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<v Speaker 1>your emotions, which is what meditation teaches you, To not

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<v Speaker 1>pull yourself out out of your emotions, but to observe

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<v Speaker 1>them the way that you do clouds in the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>the way that you do wind blowing through trees, the

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<v Speaker 1>way that you observe you know the people around you.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't attach yourself to them, but you recognize that

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<v Speaker 1>it's happening right. And it's the same thing I feel

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<v Speaker 1>with our emotions and with anger and with rage. And

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<v Speaker 1>for me, what I am learning and practicing. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying that I have found the answers, but what I

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<v Speaker 1>am learning and what is working for me is that

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<v Speaker 1>I say what I have to say right, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>to an individual or to an entire audience, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I let it go. And it doesn't mean that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. It just means that I reconcile with myself

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<v Speaker 1>that I've done what I can, I've put the energy

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<v Speaker 1>out there, I've shared the message that I've wanted to share,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I move on. And I have found that

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<v Speaker 1>over the almost two years now of this practice, that

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<v Speaker 1>I no longer carry the same type of pain that

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<v Speaker 1>I was holding for really a long time, to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where my family started to say, maybe you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do this show anymore, because you being forced or forcing

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<v Speaker 1>yourself to be in the know of everything bad that

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<v Speaker 1>is happening is changing you. It's changing your personality, it's

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<v Speaker 1>changing your demeanor. And they were right, because I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>figured out what my outlet was, how I was planning

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<v Speaker 1>to actually move right, to move this energy around my

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<v Speaker 1>body and out of my body right. And I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>person who has wanted to dedicate their life and their

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<v Speaker 1>work to public service, whether it was working on the hill,

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<v Speaker 1>working for nonprofit organizations, working for different movement and social

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<v Speaker 1>justice organizations, or women's rights or organizations are LGBTQ. I've

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<v Speaker 1>always wanted my work to be on purpose, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>with that comes a lot of emotional exhaustion, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>both working to push justice forward for a community that

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<v Speaker 1>you're actually being oppressed in, right, And so there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot that's there there's a lot that is there to mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I offer to all of you today is

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<v Speaker 1>my gift, my birthday gift to all of you, is

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<v Speaker 1>to begin to interrogate your feelings, begin to understand where

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<v Speaker 1>you have formed attachments right and are those attachments fruitful

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<v Speaker 1>for you? Or is there more consciousness and awareness that

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<v Speaker 1>you need to bring to varied situations, feelings and emotions

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<v Speaker 1>and expressions as a way to begin to release right,

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<v Speaker 1>Release the negative energy, release the toxicity. And a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the convers stations that are upcoming in this week

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<v Speaker 1>and in the coming days are with people who do

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinary work, whether they are historians, doctors, journalists, activists, artists.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm asking them, I'm asking a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>the same question, which is, how do you stay in joy?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you find your joy right? What does that

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<v Speaker 1>look like for you on a daily basis, Because frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>folks in the society that we live in, they tell

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<v Speaker 1>you to suspend joy for forty hours a week, then

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<v Speaker 1>you go ahead and grab onto what you can for

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<v Speaker 1>that good day and a half of the weekend before

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<v Speaker 1>you start all over again. They tell you to hold

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<v Speaker 1>onto your joy for fifty for fifty weeks right out

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, and then you get two weeks of

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<v Speaker 1>vacation to then what live If we are not living

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<v Speaker 1>every day, if we're not choosing how we want to live,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're not orienting ourselves around the types of feelings

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<v Speaker 1>that we want. We've had a couple of really great

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<v Speaker 1>conversations with folks, you know, about work and our relationship

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<v Speaker 1>to work and do we go after work that is

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<v Speaker 1>about our quote unquote passion or do we orient our

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<v Speaker 1>work around how we want to feel at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day. You know, maybe if we were to

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<v Speaker 1>start thinking in that way, how do I want to

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<v Speaker 1>feel when I enter into this space when I leave

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<v Speaker 1>this space? Right, then maybe we realize that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>need as much as we think, because look, everything is

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<v Speaker 1>a capitalistic driver. Right Like you're sitting around, you're watching TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you're fucking watching Netflix and the ship goes

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<v Speaker 1>on pause, they're still advertising to you because do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what these companies have realized is that your TVs

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<v Speaker 1>are personalized billboards that are in your home. A couple

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<v Speaker 1>of months ago, I was chilling on my couch hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out with a friend and we were doing what everybody

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<v Speaker 1>does on Netflix, just going through all the categories, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find something to watch. Eventually, you know, listening to music,

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out and forgot about the TV. Then all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, my smart TV started advertising all of the shows,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the series, and the movies that were on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 1>So even when we weren't actively going through the lists,

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<v Speaker 1>the TV was still advertising to us, making us think

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<v Speaker 1>that we wanted something that we actually had decided we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want. But I needed to hit off twice in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get my personalized billboard to go off. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't realize how often we are inundated with

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<v Speaker 1>messages that are telling us that we need more or

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<v Speaker 1>should want more then we actually have or really truly need.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been thinking about happiness a lot these days because

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<v Speaker 1>I find myself after a really ending, a really long relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>going through divorce, unpacking a lot of negativity and toxicity,

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<v Speaker 1>and really understanding what is it that I want my

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<v Speaker 1>life to be about? What do I want to do?

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<v Speaker 1>What do I want to offer? Again interrogating those feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>I started to realize that all of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that I wanted, that I thought meant success

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<v Speaker 1>in one place or another, didn't conjure actually the type

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<v Speaker 1>of feeling that I wanted, Right, I want to feel light,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to feel at ease, I want to feel

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<v Speaker 1>at peace. And you may say to yourself, denial, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you do that when the world is falling apart

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<v Speaker 1>around you? And I say, how do you not do

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<v Speaker 1>that when the world is falling apart around you? Because

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<v Speaker 1>you see what I keep saying, and what I want

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<v Speaker 1>to offer is that if we are not grounding ourselves,

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<v Speaker 1>rooting ourselves like trees in things that are actually within

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<v Speaker 1>our control, then what are we doing? We are just

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<v Speaker 1>reacting to the whims of these other people. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>have the ability in my small corner of the world

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<v Speaker 1>what we all do, because that's what social media was

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<v Speaker 1>intended to do, was to democratize how we communicate. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we all have the ability to have nuance to

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<v Speaker 1>use our platforms, but then recognize that we can use

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<v Speaker 1>our platforms to do other things other than spend day

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<v Speaker 1>in and day out talking about talking about our white supremacists,

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<v Speaker 1>domestic terrorists, political party that's trying to destroy the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Though that is true, that is absolutely true, But do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what else is true. The leaves are changing

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<v Speaker 1>colors if you live on the East Coast, like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a Christmas to the air. Now it's cozy sweater season.

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<v Speaker 1>The holidays are approaching, hoping to share with like friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family or family. Right, life is about choosing, That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I believe, like actual freedom is. That's why I

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<v Speaker 1>fight for social justice, so that people have choices, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they have the same choices that everybody else has. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I fight for. But what I recognize is

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<v Speaker 1>that happiness is a choice, but it isn't a passive choice.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to actually work to be happy. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to think about what you're grateful for each and every day.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to honor that. You have to put yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in places and spaces with people who help you vibrate

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<v Speaker 1>higher and be better. And so I offer this as

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<v Speaker 1>my gift to all of you on my birthday today,

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<v Speaker 1>because we all deserve joy. We all deserve sunshine and

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<v Speaker 1>laughter and happiness and dance and music, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>I want us not to suspend or wait for particular

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<v Speaker 1>moments to really live. I want us to be living

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<v Speaker 1>every single day because you don't know when it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be over. You don't know how it's going to end.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if that is true, then how are we

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<v Speaker 1>really living each day? How are we expressing our joy,

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<v Speaker 1>our gratitude, our peace, and what are we offering into

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<v Speaker 1>the world. I do believe that small groups of people

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<v Speaker 1>can change the world. As Margaret Mead said, it's indeed

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing that ever has. And I do believe

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<v Speaker 1>that self care is an act of revolution. That is

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<v Speaker 1>what ARDR. Lord said. I also believe that joy, unrelenting, beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>just connected joy is how we fight against the hatred

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<v Speaker 1>and the disgust and the oppression that we see. They

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<v Speaker 1>are not going to steal my joy from me, right

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<v Speaker 1>because even during slavery, there was dancing, there was music,

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<v Speaker 1>there was love, there was marriage, there was hope. They

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<v Speaker 1>refused right in their own way, to be ruined. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I say ruined, I mean to have every aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of you destroyed. We have autonomy and we have choices

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<v Speaker 1>on how we engage with each other, how we engage

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<v Speaker 1>with the news. Right. I don't say to turn it off,

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<v Speaker 1>because we need an engage citizenury, but you can choose

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<v Speaker 1>how and when you do. I'm happy that all of

0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.959
<v Speaker 1>you haven't been engaging with me and in community with

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<v Speaker 1>each other, talking in the comment section, connecting with each

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<v Speaker 1>other on walk Wednesdays on the IG Live. It brings

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<v Speaker 1>me such extraordinary joy, and I can't thank you all

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<v Speaker 1>enough for making it worthwhile for me to wake up

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, for making it worthwhile for me to

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<v Speaker 1>turn on the TV and to want to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on so that I can share it with

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<v Speaker 1>all of you. I get to do what I love.

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<v Speaker 1>Some days I don't like it, but I always love it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is because of all of you. And so

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<v Speaker 1>today I just want to say thank you. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you and find ways to live in your joy, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>that is, find it and do it each and every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up next, dear friends, is my conversation with our

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<v Speaker 1>in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, where we will discuss

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<v Speaker 1>the latest with COVID nineteen. What Jonathan's thoughts are about

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<v Speaker 1>the vaccines that are now approved for people as young

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<v Speaker 1>as five. For children as young as five years old,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk about my own experience getting the booster shot

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend. I can report that I had no

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<v Speaker 1>symptoms other than dead arm. You know, I couldn't really

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<v Speaker 1>lift it for about a day, but that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get into that and so much more so coming

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<v Speaker 1>up next doctor Jonathan Metzo. Folks, As you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always excited when I have the opportunity to chat with

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<v Speaker 1>our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzo to discuss, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a myriad of things that are playing our world that

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<v Speaker 1>are Lady, we talk about doom. Sometimes we text about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, nice things, but on a regular basis, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that we talk probably more about doom. But I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to start off today with sharing a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>We will talk about COVID as we've been doing. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you realize, Jonathan, that you and I have been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about COVID for almost two years? It will be it

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<v Speaker 1>will be two years when the calendar year changes. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, I had a full head of hair when

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<v Speaker 1>we started talking. It's crazy. Yeah, this thing, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>our life. I guess it's our life. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>really is. It really is our life. And it's you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I find these days is, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>never gonna not talk about COVID. I feel I feel like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're never gonna not hear about it in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the news. We are going to be in a

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<v Speaker 1>constant state of watching numbers go up go down. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that well, first off, I will let folks know this. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the weekend, I was finally able to receive my

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<v Speaker 1>booster shot. I had dead arm for you know, about

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<v Speaker 1>the day, about twenty four hours and that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no side effects. But I didn't have any

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<v Speaker 1>side effects in the first you know, in the first

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<v Speaker 1>iteration of the vaccine. Thankfully, um, no fever, no chills, like,

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<v Speaker 1>no nothing. And the same thing bode true for the

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<v Speaker 1>booster shot. I had Maderna as my VACS as my vaccine,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had fisers as the booster shot. Jonathan, what

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<v Speaker 1>have you been hearing and thinking with regard to the boosters?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it looks as if only seventeen percent

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<v Speaker 1>of Americans, if am I wrong, that have received a

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<v Speaker 1>booster shot at this point. Well, I went in a hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got my booster a couple of months ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was bummed out right. I got Maderna for

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<v Speaker 1>my first shot, and then I got Maderna as the

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<v Speaker 1>booster and I didn't feel anything like you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>had a little store arm for a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, did you guys, give me like the group

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<v Speaker 1>on booster or like a sugar pill or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I didn't have any side effects at all, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was most people. Most people I know did not

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<v Speaker 1>did not have any any side effects. And so, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like if people were like freaked out by

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<v Speaker 1>the first two shots, because people people really had some

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<v Speaker 1>side effects from the second shot very often. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think in general, the set effects of the booster, because

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<v Speaker 1>your system is kind of you to this thing. By

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<v Speaker 1>now we're a lot less and so that that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of part of what I was, part of what

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<v Speaker 1>I was experiencing. But I do think that in general,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in general, more people getting boosters, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>in general is a good thing in the context of

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<v Speaker 1>what we what we've been talking about, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say too, So I would I went

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<v Speaker 1>into a local CBS um out on Long Island and

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<v Speaker 1>was able to make an appointment about probably two days

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<v Speaker 1>before I arrived. They had, you know, a slew of

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<v Speaker 1>appointments available because I hadn't been able to get a

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<v Speaker 1>booster in Brooklyn. There were there have been no appointments

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a it's appointment only. So I went out

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<v Speaker 1>to Long Island. I was able to get it there.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jonathan, you know, I'm sitting and I'm waiting the

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes right after you get this shot to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you're okay. When for me, when I get shots

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<v Speaker 1>or you know of anything, Um, I get woozy, like immediately, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then it dissipates. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's more my anxiety or like what, you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>the shot is that I'm getting, but it happens without fail.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was sitting there and I'm thinking to myself, God,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't stand Americans. They are so selfish and so

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<v Speaker 1>self absorbed. And I say that because it was literally

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<v Speaker 1>no sweat off my back to go and get this appointment.

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<v Speaker 1>It was free, right, And all I could think of,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan as I'm sitting there are the millions of people

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<v Speaker 1>that are still around the world that are still clamoring

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<v Speaker 1>to try and get their first shot of a vaccine.

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:41.119
<v Speaker 1>The fact that their governments haven't had you know, easy rollouts,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that it's money that is coming out of

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:47.200
<v Speaker 1>their pockets. Even though country the more the wealthier, high

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 1>high income countries said that they would provide help and

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<v Speaker 1>economic boost you know, to those two places and pay

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<v Speaker 1>for vaccines. But we know that that's been lagging. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think to myself, my god, Americans have it so

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<v Speaker 1>goddamn easy, and yet we look to make everything so hard. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's weird because again, like you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>we you know, we've got like now quite a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of data on these vaccines, right and it's it's just um,

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>you know there, it's just so clear, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening, Like there are countries in Europe for example,

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<v Speaker 1>that have very low vaccination rates that have high COVID rates,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are countries that have relatively high vaccination rates

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<v Speaker 1>that have low COVID rates, and so the vaccines are

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<v Speaker 1>super effective. And as you say, you know, it's crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but like in Africa, like less than ten percent of

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the people have even have access to a vaccine, notably less.

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<v Speaker 1>And so in a way, Number one, just as a country,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of privilege right now of access

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<v Speaker 1>to this particular technology, and the fact that we're fighting

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<v Speaker 1>about it and politicizing it, I totally agree with you,

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly appalling. But I don't know, it's hard because

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<v Speaker 1>that also that argument is not going to work, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's our goal to get as many people vaccinated as

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<v Speaker 1>as as possible. We want many people to get vaccinated,

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<v Speaker 1>and that argument will work as well as like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the argument of like their poor starving children in Ethiopia,

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<v Speaker 1>so eat your dinner when you're a kid, and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Like, people don't respond to that kind of logic.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think this is just kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>state of where things are in general. In general right now,

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<v Speaker 1>America is doing pretty well, I mean boosters aside, our

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<v Speaker 1>rates of delta are going down. It feels it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like places that have had the most vaccines are doing

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<v Speaker 1>the best. Um, but there are It's not like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, work. There's some good things happening and some

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<v Speaker 1>scary things happening. The good things I'll start with first,

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<v Speaker 1>see something. I prefer you start with the bad things

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can end on the good things. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll start with the bad thing. Then tell us what's

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<v Speaker 1>terrible so we can end on something good, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the bad thing. Put this at the w JO put

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<v Speaker 1>out a warning this morning which I totally agree with.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been thinking this for a while, which is that

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<v Speaker 1>there are plenty of places in Europe that have good

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<v Speaker 1>adherents and good vaccination rates that are seeing virus resurgences.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there's a lesson in that for the United

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<v Speaker 1>States right now, which is like, even though our rates

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<v Speaker 1>are falling right now, we tend to follow Europe by

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<v Speaker 1>a month or two pretty often, and Europe is getting

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<v Speaker 1>hammered certain parts of Europe right now, and so this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of like the whole thing being over and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, we should just look as we did in

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<v Speaker 1>the very beginning of the pandemic to Europe and recognize

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably what our fate is going to be. We're

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to see some kind of other rise, and

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<v Speaker 1>so right now is a very important time to get

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>people vaccinated as much as possible. So partially I think

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<v Speaker 1>the warning sign is comparable countries, comparable vaccine rates even

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<v Speaker 1>better a little bit better than ours are seeing rises

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<v Speaker 1>and virus right now. Is still delta that there. We

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been talking about any new variations, uh for for

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<v Speaker 1>quite some time, thank god. But why is this you

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<v Speaker 1>were about to say, but why is this rise happening? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Two reasons. One is there's probably a more contagious version

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.399
<v Speaker 1>of delta out there, certainly that that's what people are

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>thinking about in the UK right now. But the other is, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kids haven't been vaccinated. People are letting their

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<v Speaker 1>guard down and going back to mosh pits, which I

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>love and I miss um and and other kinds of

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.160
<v Speaker 1>daily life kinds of things for a lot of people,

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>and so social behavior is just going back to baseline.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are a bunch of different reasons that people

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of thought, oh, were this is over because

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 1>our rates are falling, and so it's all of it's

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>all of those factors together, and there's still an open

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>debate about how how contagious fully vaccinated people are in

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>terms of what they're passing on to other people. We still,

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're working on it pretty hard, but we

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>still don't know the answer. So I think that those

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>are the reasons. But again, this is, as they say,

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>an evolving situation, and we have to think of it

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>that way because it's not like, oh, here's the answer

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>and then tomorrow, because it's not exactly the same. I

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 1>understand that's anxiety producing, but I would say, you know,

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>we just have to keep reminding people we're in the

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>best possible spot right now right, we have the most

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 1>access to the best treatment, and we should we should

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>continually to continually remember that. And there are you know,

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know if it will work here,

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 1>but there are places like Singapore and Asia, in places

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>like that where if people don't want to get vaccinated,

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of their right, but they also are getting

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 1>denied access to like free treatment like the free booster

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>you got, or free healthcare or free COVID tests stuff

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>like that. So I think there's going to be an

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>economic price to pay. Also, again, we'll have to see

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>how that happens. But of course having a lot of

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>unvaccinated people is also just very expensive for our country

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>because those people end up in the ICU and stuff

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>like that. So the question is what's the economic cost

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>of this kind of kind of stuff? You know? Um,

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 1>So now we have five to eleven year olds, um

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 1>with the five wait oh wait, I didn't get to

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>say a good thing. You get to say the good thing.

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>You're right. Let me let me Jonathan, what is your

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 1>good thing to say? Well, you're real leading it to

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>two good things. Number one is um Vaccinating kids five

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.480
<v Speaker 1>to eleven is going to be huge it's a huge deal,

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>massive deal, and I think that it will dramatically stop spread,

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>it will dramatically improve health and and also because there

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 1>is still long COVID for kids, it'll improve the lives

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>of a lot of kids. And so certainly I think

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>that getting kids vaccinated UM is a big deal. They're

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>getting a smaller dose of the vaccine UM, but I

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 1>think I think it's a huge deal. And you know

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>that there's you know, there's like if you look at

0:30:56.160 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>the numbers, like the negative effects are so minimal compared

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 1>to the actual effects of COVID. I know in parts

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>of the world they're not using a full dose Maderna

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>for kids because of the very very small risk but

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>a real risk of cardiac inflammation. So we also have

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Visor and other stuff like that. But the other big

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 1>news is that Visor has a pill that basically works

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the same way that monoclonal antibodies do. This pill and

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I've been excited about this for a long time. I

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>think we talked about on the show a couple of

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>months ago that basically this is a pill that works

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>the same way that monoclonal antibodies do. It gives you

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>an antibody boost in response to a pill. So if

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 1>you get if you get COVID, you can just take

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 1>this pill and it will actually work the same way.

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>It'll it'll boost your boost your moon response. So having

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>a pill treatment for COVID for people who get COVID,

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's going to be a big deal because

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>it's really a pain in the nethers to actually go

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>get monoclonal antibody treatment. But the fact that there's going

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>to be a pill for people who've been infected, I

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>think is also a very It comes with a caveat,

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's a very big deal. Is it something? Is

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 1>this pill if you can track COVID, do you have

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 1>to take it within a certain time frame? Otherwise the

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>treatment is not as effective. Yeah, and that's true for

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>monoclonal antibodies also, So if you think you've got it,

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you take up. It's basically the deal is going to be.

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 1>If you think you've got it, you take a home task,

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>you're positive, you take the pill and it'll improve your outcomes. Now,

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>there are other anti inflammatory kind of medications that are working.

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>There's an older antidepressant that seems to be helping people.

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>So anything that's going to mitigate the effects once you

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>get the illness is a big deal. The caveat is

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>that the illness, as we know, is a pretty slippery mofo,

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and so as people start taking this pill, the virus

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>is going to start inventing ways to get around it.

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>And so, you know, we have a lot of pills

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 1>that we're promising in the beginning, but as the antibody,

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 1>as the virus became more resistant, they were less fact

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>But at least at this moment, it's it's gonna be

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>a big deal, you know. I wanted to ask you

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.959
<v Speaker 1>this question. I was reading an article in the New

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 1>York Times over the weekend, and it was a story

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 1>of a woman who had long COVID and she ended

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 1>up killing herself because the I guess her organs were

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>shutting down, the depression had settled in, and she just

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>realized after months and months and months, she didn't want

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to live like that anymore. So sadly, she ended up

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 1>taking her own life. I don't feel like we are

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 1>talking about long COVID enough. I don't know if that's

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>because we don't have a real understanding about how it's

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 1>caused and how it varies from person to person, but again.

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, I am of the philosophy that we need

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>to scare people right into wanting to get the vaccine

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 1>into understanding that it isn't just oh well I get

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 1>COVID and then it goes away. It's like, no, there

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>are many people who get it and they are suffering.

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 1>They are now going to be you know, technically disabled,

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, moving forward being able to get disability because

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.879
<v Speaker 1>of the effects. Can you talk to us about what

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>you know about long COVID, what you have heard, what

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:26.439
<v Speaker 1>you have studied, and understand it to be sure? Well,

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 1>let me just tell you why I think it makes

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 1>sense and why maybe a little bit of help conceptualizing it.

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 1>In the very beginning, people thought that COVID was a

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 1>lung disease, and as shitty as having a lung disease is.

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of people like me thought, well

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 1>that's bad, but you know we can we can treat

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 1>a lung disease, right, Well, we'll block access to lungs,

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>we will, we have treatments for lung diseases, things like that.

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>So when we thought it was just staying in the

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 1>lungs the way largely some viruses, I mean, when you

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:00.800
<v Speaker 1>get a cold, for example, It's not like floating around

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>your brain and stuff like that. So we thought it

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 1>was a respiratory disease, possibly similar to like a rhinovirus

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. But then people started having a

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 1>bunch of other symptoms like cardiac comflammation, or the most

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 1>important was psychiatric symptoms, which is what I pay attention to,

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:26.400
<v Speaker 1>or forgetfulness, brain symptoms, fatigue, all these other factors, and

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden, you're like, this virus is

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 1>not just staying in one part of people's bodies. It

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>actually has the ability to do things like, to use

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>a technical term, cross the blood brain barrier. That's the

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>barrier that basically keeps your brain and your cerebro spinal

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 1>fluid inclosed in your spine and your brain, right, And

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>so if a virus can get in there, which is

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:55.839
<v Speaker 1>like sacred space for humanity, right because that's like very

0:35:55.960 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 1>pristine territory, if a virus can do that, then we're

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 1>looking at a different kind of virus. And so you

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:06.319
<v Speaker 1>start thinking like what other viruses can do. That kind

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 1>of thing can get into your heart, can get into

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.399
<v Speaker 1>your brain, and then it's a Then it's not a

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.919
<v Speaker 1>great category, right because you think, for example of lime disease, right,

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:18.840
<v Speaker 1>lime disease can get into you know, all these places

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 1>that make you think and feel and feel tired and

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>things like that. Herpies is another really good example, right

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>because think think about like when you had chickenpox as

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>a kid, and then you can get herpes zoster later

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:35.840
<v Speaker 1>on in your life because this thing is living in

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>your in your nerve cells and your root ganglian for

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:44.400
<v Speaker 1>your entire life, herpes encephalitis, all these kind of things.

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>These things never go away. They're living in you forever

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 1>in a way. And you know then then then you're

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 1>talking not talking about treating these things, you're talking about

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>suppressing these things. And so um, there are a lot

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>of people who have I mean, just to be totally honest,

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I have a version of this because I have a

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 1>version of vertigo that is in my inner ear. It

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 1>turns out like a lot of men get this for

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.759
<v Speaker 1>some reason, and it's like a herpes virus that you

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 1>get like when you're a kid from your lip or

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.439
<v Speaker 1>you're something like that, and it lives in your ear.

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 1>And so I have this dizziness that I you know

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 1>that I've had to take um of anti viral. It's

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of partly why I freaked out about to COVID

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 1>so long. But it's like, you know, it's no big deal.

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 1>I just have to take a suppressing drug because it's

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:31.359
<v Speaker 1>not like we can kill something like that or like,

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, people who have have shingles, right, same kind

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 1>of thing. So these things live in you. And so

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 1>I guess the point I'm trying to make here is

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>COVID put itself in that category, right. It's the kind

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>of thing that's going to live in your body and

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's and so that's why I feel like people

0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:53.720
<v Speaker 1>who are fighting to not you should not get COVID

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>if you can help it um for this reason. Now,

0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 1>your immune response is super important. All these things that

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, leading intellectuals like Aaron Rodgers or telling us

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.439
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff super imported. I wanted to I want

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>to talk about him too very quickly. Again, but I'm

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 1>saying that long COVID is telling us as a species

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 1>that this illness is living in our body, right, and

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>it's going to impact different people the way it does

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 1>other people. But again, I'm thinking about this COVID in

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a way similar to like lyme disease causing chronic fatigue,

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 1>or herpie is causing chronic encephalitis and things like that.

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Like in a way, all of a sudden, it becomes

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>something that you need to suppress. And what that means

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 1>is that our immune system is not just going to

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.839
<v Speaker 1>destroy it completely for certain people not for others. I mean,

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 1>that's really frightening, right, And again, I don't think that

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:48.520
<v Speaker 1>we're having those kind of conversations about how this virus

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 1>lives and where it will live and how it won't.

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:54.839
<v Speaker 1>It is not going to go away. Um, you know,

0:38:55.200 --> 0:39:00.040
<v Speaker 1>on the Aaron Rodgers point, how dangerous was it what

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 1>he did in terms of lying to the league or

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>we're understanding now that everybody knew that he wasn't vaccinated,

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 1>but the public didn't know. And I just want to say,

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>again from your perspective, how dangerous is what it was

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 1>that he has done, which is lying? Well, I think

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 1>for me it's the line, right. I mean, I think

0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 1>that we're at a point right now. I were When

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I get on an airplane, I wear a mask. In fact,

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.919
<v Speaker 1>I wear three masks because a lot of people aren't

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.879
<v Speaker 1>wearing masks on airplanes right now. And I'm just trying

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:38.759
<v Speaker 1>to protect myself and then protect the people who I'm

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 1>going to hang out with. But I don't know if

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 1>somebody is not going to wear a mask. At least now,

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:47.359
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I have a mask regiment that will

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.920
<v Speaker 1>protect me. I just treat an airplane like I treat

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.759
<v Speaker 1>the emergency here. You know, I figured there's COVID all

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 1>around me, and I want to protect myself and and

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's the same thing with vaccines, Like I just

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 1>think I want everybody to get it. I want us

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>to do better, but I realize certain people aren't going

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to do it right now. So I think that that's fine,

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.840
<v Speaker 1>But I think the line is a major major issue.

0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Right this guy was not wearing a mask and going

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 1>into the room with media. I think that he was

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 1>putting all these other people, including his teammates, at risk.

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 1>He was putting reporters at risk and things like that.

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:27.879
<v Speaker 1>So I think, really, for me, what's really the dishonesty?

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 1>And then come on, dude, like you're really going to

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:36.400
<v Speaker 1>then quote MLK, you know. So I just think that

0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:38.759
<v Speaker 1>it just had like weeness written all over it for me.

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.280
<v Speaker 1>And I would contrast it with like Kyrie Irving, who

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>even though I don't agree with what he's doing, at

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 1>least he's saying, look, I made this choice and I'm

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>going to hear the by the policy. So I think

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the issue for me was the line more than anything. Yeah,

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was the same for me because at

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<v Speaker 1>this point in time, there honestly was no reason for

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<v Speaker 1>him to lie. Just be honest. I'm not getting vaccinated,

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<v Speaker 1>and stick by whatever your convictions are, even if they're bullshit,

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<v Speaker 1>just stick by them and be honest about it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't agree with any of these athletes that don't get vaccinated,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have more respect for the ones at the

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<v Speaker 1>very least that are open and transparent about it. As always, Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for making the time to join

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<v Speaker 1>Woke a f and walk us through what is our

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<v Speaker 1>new abnormal COVID and how we're living with it. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get through it. Everybody appreciate you. That is it for

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<v Speaker 1>me today, dear friends, on this wonderful, wonderful Woke Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>slash Birthaday, there will be no Woke Wednesday ig live today.

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<v Speaker 1>I am taking my own advice and I am taking

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the week off. But don't you worry,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are brand new episodes every single day this

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<v Speaker 1>week because I think about you all before I check out,

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<v Speaker 1>So do know that there are wonderful interviews and episodes

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<v Speaker 1>that are planned for you. But there will be no

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<v Speaker 1>live today, but I will be back next week Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>live on IG at three thirty pm Eastern, per usual

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<v Speaker 1>as always, dear friends, Power to the people and to

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<v Speaker 1>all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.