1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to America's, Mr Garbutshaw, tear down this wall. Either 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: you're with us where you were with the terrorists. If 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: you've got healthcare already, then you can keep your plan. 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: If you're satisfied with Trunk is not president of the 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: United States, take a to bank. Together, we will make 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: America great again. We'll never sharender. It's what you've been 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: waiting for all day. Buck Sexton with America now joined 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: the conversation called Buck toll free at eight four four 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four nine hundred two, 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice, Buck Sexton. Yes, indeed, 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: the plot thickens, my friends. Buck Sexton with America, now, 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. A lot on 13 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: the docket for today, of course, Susan Rice surveillance, the 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Trump administration action, the Russia investigation, all that good stuff. 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: We'll get to it in just a moment. But then 16 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: we'll talk a bit about the fight over the Gorsish 17 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: Supreme Court nomination. I don't know how much of a 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: fight it's really going to be at this point, considering 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: that Republicans can win if only they decide they want 20 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,639 Speaker 1: to win, which I don't think is an open question, 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: but we'll get there. Also a horrific chemical weapons attack 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: in Syria and what it means for US foreign policy 23 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: and the Trump administration today is Equal pay Day, where 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: things are repeated that makes certain people feel good but 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: aren't true, and nobody wants to just tell the American people, 26 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that they're not true, it seems, or 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say nobody, but not enough people about Equal 28 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: pay Day and the myths upon which it is built. 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: And then we'll also get into the willy mammoths and 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: you're like, what is that all about? What you're gonna 31 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: to wait and see? And I can't just jump right 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: to mammoth's right now. I can't. I can't keep you 33 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: the dessert before you've even had the salad or the entree, 34 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: my friends, So we'll talk about mammoths later on the show. 35 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: We we did have an expert on genetic engineering on 36 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: the show earlier about how they can now more or 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: less creating a mammoth or they're getting close to it 38 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: using genetic manipulation, but that's a whole a whole story 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: for another time. Mammoths closing out the show first, a 40 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: story that we first touched on yesterday, and we've got 41 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: so much more information now, and I would like to 42 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: spend a good chunk of time with you on this. 43 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: We have been told four months that the Trump administration 44 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: had illicit contacts with Russia and was part of a 45 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: Russia conspiracy, that Russia, in a stroke of incredible propaganda 46 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: brilliance quote, hacked our election. What does that mean to 47 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: hack an election? Nobody knows. It just sounds scary, so 48 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: they keep saying it Russia hacked the election. And if 49 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: you don't agree with that, it's become like climate change. 50 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: Do you believe in climate change? If you ask any questions, 51 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: the answer is no. And you're a terrible person. If 52 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: you don't believe that Russia hacked our election, you are 53 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: a Trump bought You're not to be trusted, you have 54 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: no faculties of reason, and so on and so forth. 55 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: But the more we find out about this, the more 56 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: skeptical one would have to become of so many of 57 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: these claims and on. You have two parallel investigations happening 58 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: right now. Are two parallel narratives, better way to put 59 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: it than investigation. One is what was done, if anything, 60 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: by Trump or his associates to assist aid a bet 61 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: colued and come up with a conspiracy with the Russians 62 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: vis a vis the election versus Hillary Clinton? What what 63 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: what's there? That's once the other side? It is, was 64 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: there a widespread or high level effort to try and 65 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: use surveillance capabilities of the intelligence community against Trump and 66 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: his associates to embarrass the incoming administration, perhaps even take 67 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: the whole administration down. That ended with no real information 68 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: or data to support the initial thesis in any way, 69 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: shape or form. And so it was just either based 70 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: on opportunism or paranoia, or a combination of both. It 71 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: may very well be the case that the Obama administration 72 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: and some senior senior officials in it were both paranoid 73 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: and opportunistic in their application of intelligence community discretion. Um, 74 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: but we don't know the answers yet. It was fascinating 75 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: to see that the Obama administration, or rather that the media, 76 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: when confronted with the possibility even that a senior member 77 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: of the Obama administration did something wrong. Well, of course, 78 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: as we knew they would. They they want to just 79 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: chase the facts. They want the story, the whole truth, 80 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: and nothing but the truth. CNN's Don Lemon, whom I 81 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: know well from my former life at CNN. Uh. He 82 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 1: he made sure that everybody knew just how open minded 83 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: the mainstream press is to the allegation that Susan Rice 84 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: as National Security Advisor may have abused her discretion with 85 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: regard to intelligence collection for partisan purposes. That's the allegation. 86 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: Not saying it's proven yet, but Don wants everyone to 87 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: know that they take this very seriously. They'll get to 88 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: the bottom of this play clip thirty four please. The 89 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: Washington Post today calls the latest claim is about Susan 90 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: Rice anatomy of a fake scandal gend up by right 91 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: wing media and Trump. So let us speak very clear 92 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: about this. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Trump 93 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: teams surveilled or spied on wor spied on illegally. There 94 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: is no evidence that backs up the president's original claim. 95 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: And on this program tonight, we will not insult your 96 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: intelligence by pretending otherwise. Nor will we aid and a 97 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: bet the people who are trying to misinform you, the 98 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: American people, by creating a diversion. They will not aid 99 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: and a bet the misinforming Ah, that's kind of surprising. 100 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: That's not what I thought would be happening here. It's 101 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: not surprising at all. Of course, I'm totally kidding. We 102 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: knew that Don Lemon and others like him would not 103 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: want to go with this story at all, because this 104 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: wasn't part of the prescribed narrative. This was a surprise. 105 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: They can run with the Russia allegations all day. That 106 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: Trump is a trader has become an article of widely 107 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: accepted wisdom within the mainstream press, but that there may 108 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: have been some foul play from one of Obama's most trusted, 109 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: most powerful confidants, the same one who, by the way, 110 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: oh you will recall, back in back in the day, 111 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: told us all that there was a protest, if you remember, 112 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: there was a there was a protest that happened, and 113 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: that that's what led to the ben Ghazi attack, that 114 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: it was just a protest. And so she has no 115 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: problem lying to us, She has no problem lying to 116 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: us about things. And then we find out that just 117 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: recently she had something to here to say. But before 118 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: I before I get to the Susan Rice, and that 119 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: just recently, it should be noted that not only Don Lemon, 120 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: but there are others as well, who said that this 121 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: was a non a non story, not even worthy of 122 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: talking about, but they would talk about it a little bit. 123 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: I spoke today with senior former senior US intelligence officials, 124 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: the senior most who served both Republican and Democratic administrations, 125 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: and this is what they've told me about this story. 126 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: They said, one, this is not unusual. This happens that 127 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: when you wore briefed on intelligence communications like this, sometimes 128 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: senior national security officials can ask the intelligence community to 129 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: identify the Americans either mentioned in those conversations or on 130 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: the other side of those phone calls. It's not up 131 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: to that senior in US national security official to make 132 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: that decision. It's then up to the intelligence agencies, the 133 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: n s A. They decide what's appropriate to then unmasked 134 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: for that senior official. This appears to be a story 135 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: largely ginned up, partly as as a distraction from from 136 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: this larger investigation. Yeah about that, first of all, So 137 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: we have various individuals out there, and I told you yesterday, 138 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: nothing of the New York Times front page and nothing 139 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: in the Washington Post front page about what one would 140 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: think would be a pretty explosive story. It certainly as 141 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: an allegation merits consideration. It was reported on not just 142 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: by Fox News but also by Bloomberg News. Is Eli Lake, 143 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: who has excellent sources in the national security complex. But 144 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: also this notion, which we will return to because this 145 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: requires in depth analysis to get to the bottle of 146 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: all this. There's notion that, well, no, she requests the 147 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: unmasking and then the intelligence agencies have to approve it. Um, well, 148 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: if it's within her discretion, do we think how many 149 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: senior intelligence officials really want, really would want to tell 150 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: the National Security Advisor? Oh? No, sorry, which one do 151 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: you do you think it is more or less likely 152 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: that they would go along with the request from the 153 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: most powerful national security figure in the Obama White House. 154 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm analyzing, but I ask you that question. 155 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: I think it's very easy to assume that there are 156 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: all these checks and balances in place, you know, checks 157 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: and balances like what we have on the i R. S. 158 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: Her event politicized targeting for clearly partisan reasons and ideology. Um, 159 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: but let's go back to Susan Rice for a moment. 160 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: She's at the center of all of this. She is 161 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: getting her own day in the news cycle today, and 162 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: we remember her best for well explaining in such precise 163 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: and clear terms just exactly what happened. This was a 164 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: few days afterwards. Remember what happened in Benghazi twent twelve 165 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: when we lost four Americans, including a U. S. Ambassador 166 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: and three other U. S citizens who are bravely serving 167 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: their country who died ah in that service. And we 168 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: didn't get any answers from the White House initially until well, oh, 169 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: that's right, she went on the Sunday shows, And what 170 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: did she tell us? What our assessment is as of 171 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: the present, is in fact what it began spontaneously in 172 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: Benghazi as a reaction to what it transpired some hours 173 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: earlier in Cairo, where, of course, as you know, uh, 174 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: there was a violent protest outside of our embassy. I 175 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: don't have time to think about a false, uh controversy 176 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: in the midst of all of the swirl about she 177 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: said she said about the YouTube, She said it was 178 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: a response to the YouTube video. She was the original 179 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: blame it on the video, national security official from the 180 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: Obama administration it was a video. Later on, Hillary told 181 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: the parents of one of the fallen in Benghazi, you 182 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: know don't worry. We're gonna get the guy who got 183 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: the video. Well, and that was I'm sure really reassuring, um, 184 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: but you can think Buck, that was people make mistakes. 185 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: That's a pretty big mistake to a lot of American people. 186 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: And then, by the way, to be promoted by the 187 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: Obama administration after telling that lie in term too to 188 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: go from uh to go from US Ambassador United Nations 189 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: to National Security Advisor. They wanted to make her Secretary 190 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: of State, but that would have required some difficult discussions 191 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: in front of the whole you know, senate thing, So 192 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: that was a problem for her. So they made a 193 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: National Security Advisor. But with all the talk of masking, 194 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: unmasking and incidental collection, the American public has gotten quite 195 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: an education in surveillance and intelligence collection and the language 196 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: used therein recently, former National Security RIS Advisor Susan Rice 197 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: was on PBS and she offered up this very clear 198 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: statement of I don't know, I know nothing about this. 199 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Unas on 200 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: that count today. So today I really don't know to 201 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: what Chairman Nunaz was referring. That was specifically with regard 202 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: to unmasking that. That's a problem. Um, that's a problem 203 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: because oh uh, we fast forward to how things went 204 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: today on MSNBC after the story broke yesterday thanks to 205 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:26,119 Speaker 1: Fox and Bloomberg. The former National Security advisor is on MSNBC. 206 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: Because if you want to dispel notions about how partisan 207 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: you are, you go right to MSNBC. That's a good move. 208 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: She's on MSNBC, and she has to say the following 209 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: that somehow Obama administration officials utilized intelligence for political purposes. 210 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: That's absolutely false. Let me explain how this works. I 211 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: was a National Security Advisor. My job is to protect 212 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: the American people in the security of our country. That's 213 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: the same as the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, 214 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: the CIA director. And every morning, to enable us to 215 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: do that, we receive from the intelligence community a compilation 216 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: of intelligence reports that the I see the intelligence community 217 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: has selected for us on a daily basis to give 218 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: us the best information as to what's going on around 219 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: the world. I received those reports, as did each of 220 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: those other officials. And there were occasions stuff. I mean, 221 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: keep keep playing with their occasions, keep going. When I 222 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: would receive a report in which uh a U S 223 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: Person was referred to name not provided, just the US person, 224 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: and sometimes in that context, in order to understand the 225 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: importance of the report and assess its significance, it was 226 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: necessary to find out or request the information as to 227 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: who that U S official was. Wait a second, that 228 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: seems quite a bit difference from quite a bit of 229 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: difference from what was it a couple of weeks ago 230 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: When she said I know nothing about this. I was wait, wait, hold, wait, Star, 231 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm confused, I know nothing about this. Now she's giving 232 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: a lecture class to MSNBC on unmasking and every detail 233 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: about it. But I know nothing about this. Let me 234 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: offer something to you, and it brings together a couple 235 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: of different concepts. But from my time, my short but 236 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: very interesting period of time with the NYPD Intelligence Division, 237 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: I remember speaking to some of the lifelong law enforcement 238 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: officers detectives primarily that I was working with, and they 239 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: one of them said to me, once you just have 240 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: to look for the lie, and then you really then 241 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: everything else. It's a question of lining up and putting 242 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: it in in place. But when you have somebody who's innocent, 243 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: lies are unusual. When you have somebody who's guilty, lies 244 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: come fast and furious. Lies appear quite easily, and once 245 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: you've established that someone has lied to you about a 246 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: material fact, then it's just, well, how to we prove 247 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: all the rest of it? Now, Susan Rice has certainly 248 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: lied before, and she lied when she said I know 249 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: nothing about unmasking, So that all all already and automatically 250 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: should raise a lot of questions about everything else that 251 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: she says. Remember, no one forced her to go on PBS. 252 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: She's a person in private life now she doesn't have 253 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: to do. She could just go off and you know, 254 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: hang out wherever. But she went on TV and she 255 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: lied about this. But in fact it's more than that, 256 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: because she could have gone on TV and just said 257 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: I can't confirm or deny any of this. And you 258 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: know what, while a lot of us would see that 259 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: as suspicious, it's not necessarily she could have gotten away 260 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: with just saying, look, I can't confirm or deny any 261 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: details of any of this because of the classification of 262 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: the information involved. That might be a convenient answer, but 263 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: it's a real answer. What she said is I know 264 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: nothing about this. I know nothing, I have no knowledge 265 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,479 Speaker 1: about this. That is exculpatory, that is I got nothing 266 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: to see here, there's nothing wrong, which is more than 267 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: she had to say in the context of that interview. 268 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: So now would ask you why lie? If your shoes 269 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: and Rice, why go on TV and lie? You don't 270 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: have to you're not under oath, obviously, but you don't 271 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: have to do this. You could just say it's also 272 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: classified and complicated. But she wanted to tell us something 273 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: that was untrue. Look for the lie and then the 274 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: rest can fall into place, my friends, So Susan Rice, 275 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: former National securitiizer and the obadministration, says that she knows nothing, 276 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: which is not true, and she didn't have to say 277 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: I know nothing. She could have said I can't talk 278 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: about this, and I would have had to say that's 279 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: a that's a fair way to go here. Convenient but 280 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: not wrong. There's a difference. But I know nothing is 281 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: a lie, right, I know nothing is not true because 282 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: today's she challenge she knows a lot um. But then 283 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: she also continued on to give us excuses for accusations 284 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: that aren't really being made in the reporting. Uh, do 285 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: you seek the names of people involved in to unmask 286 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: the names of people involved in the Trump transition of 287 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign, people surrounding the president elect, let me 288 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: be get ordered to spy on them, and absolutely absolutely 289 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: not for any political purposes, to spy expose anything. But 290 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: let me notice, not for any political purposes. That was 291 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: the specific, Not for political purposes. Okay, keep going, Flynn, 292 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: I leaked nothing to nobody, and I leaked nothing to nobody. 293 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: Um Okay, Uh, that's not really what's that issue here? 294 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: I'm not saying uh, nor does anyone else that I 295 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: think is following this issue and being honest about it. 296 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: That and I say, Rice was leaguing information, But was 297 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: she requesting information about the communications in a septed through 298 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: intelligence collection of either Donald Trump or his top campaign associates. 299 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: Was was she doing that, by the way, after the election? 300 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: What could be the possible rationale for that? That's what 301 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: we really want to know. You'll notice that was the 302 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: question I was asking yesterday. Sure, unmasking is a procedure 303 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: you can go through, you could, but why would that 304 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: procedure entail the communications of either Donald Trump or his 305 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: top associates? What would be the logical reasoning behind that? 306 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: I struggle with it unless you thought maybe you were 307 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: going to expose a massive conspiracy that would take down 308 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: the administration. Then maybe you'd ask he's an x C, 309 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: I a officer who knows how to outsmart the enemies 310 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: of liberty. I do have very particular set of skills, 311 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America Now Team, your mission, should you 312 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: choose to accept it, call the Freedom Hunt oper nine 313 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: hundred Buck make contact Leisure under hostile surveillance. To to five. 314 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: Let's get back into this interview with Susan Rice on 315 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: MSNBC earlier today. I just part of me have to 316 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: say she can go on Let's just be very clear 317 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: on this. She can go on any network. She could 318 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: at least go on on CNN, where there's a there's 319 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: a belief among some that this is not an appendage 320 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: of the Democrat Party and a Hillary pack in all 321 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: but name, I mean MSNBC is is a for all 322 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: intents and purposes, an appendage of the Democratic Party. So 323 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: you're gonna go on MSNBC and have them Okay, fine, 324 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: I guess, but just wouldn't be my first choice if 325 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: I was trying to calm the storm here and she 326 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: and into some further detail about all of this. First 327 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: of all, I mentioned to you that she said that 328 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: she leaked nothing, and then she got into further into 329 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: the processes. Here here's additional detail from Susan Rice. It 330 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: was not been typically broadly disseminated throughout the national security 331 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: community or the government. So the notion that which some 332 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: people are trying to suggest that by asking for the 333 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: identity of an American person that is the same as 334 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: leaking it is completely false. There's no equivalence between so 335 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: called unmasking and leaking. Okay, um, I think that's fair, 336 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: But again that's not really the allegation. Unmasking and leaking 337 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: are obviously not the same thing. And as she has explained, Um, 338 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: as she has explained already, the process has some steps 339 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: in it. But let's just say, let's war gain this 340 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: out for a few minutes here, or a few moments 341 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: if you wanted two embarrass the Trump administration, or even better, 342 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: if you wanted to expose what you truly believe to 343 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: be a massive international conspiracy of unforeseen and unforeseeable consequences 344 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: to this country and our process of elections and the 345 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: future of our entire political system that involved working with 346 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: a foreign power to quote hack the election. What does 347 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: hack the election mean? Now whatever, Just people want to 348 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: keep repeating it. Okay, if that happened and you were 349 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: a public servant that had been at the very top 350 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: of the national security apparatus and knew that people lose 351 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: their lives in the defense of this country on a 352 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: regular basis. People die to defend this country. You know 353 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: that there are those who will go to those lengths. 354 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you want to just tell the public that Trump 355 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: was engaged in this treason if you believed it. I 356 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: don't believe it. I don't think you believe it. But 357 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: if you believed it, what length would you be unwilling 358 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: to go to in order to expose this whole Russia 359 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: Trump conspiracy. They've been telling this for quite a while 360 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: that it's for real. Well, if it's for real, they 361 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: shouldn't be walking away from the allegations of surveillance. They can't. 362 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: Once again, not you keep hearing me repeat this. But 363 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: they can't have it both ways. It can't be both. 364 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: And yet Susan Rice is saying, oh, there's nothing here, 365 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: I didn't leak anything. If you wanted to get the 366 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: truth out there, as others have said, wouldn't you want 367 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: the information to be spread far and wide inside the government. 368 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: Better question for you. If somebody, whether you or one 369 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: of your close confidants, was going to leak information such 370 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: as the asking of a US person in a phone 371 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: call collected at intelligence, wouldn't you want a lot of 372 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: people to at least theoretically have seen the information. It 373 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: makes the leak investigation a lot harder. I can tell 374 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: you I know something about how these investigations go, and 375 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: it's obvious you don't even have to know anything about it. 376 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: You've got a thousand people that saw something who told 377 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: the press. That's really tough. You got ten people who 378 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: saw something. That's a lot easier just making up numbers here, 379 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: But you understand what I'm saying. Oh, we're joined by 380 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 1: our friend now. Uh, Sarah Carter. Great, we got her. 381 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 1: I know she's super busy, Sarah. She is an award 382 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: winning national security and war correspondence reports for Circa News, 383 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: and Sarah and John Solomon have been tearing it up 384 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: on all of these national security stories. Did you say, Sarah, 385 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: Great to have you back. It's so great to be 386 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: on with you. But thanks so much for being patient 387 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: with me. Oh no, thank you so much for coming 388 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: on Sarah was was my my battle buddy back in 389 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: the days of real news on the Blaze TV for 390 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: those of you listening. So we have worked together for 391 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: for years now and Sarah's doing great. She always has 392 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: investigative journalism on this topic. Uh, Sarah, what can you tell? 393 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: What can you tell us that is really essential? And 394 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: based on your reporting and your sources in the last 395 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: twenty four hours with regard to unmasking, surveillance and Trump? 396 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: What what do we know right now? Well, as you know, 397 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: since we've been writing these stories for maybe the past 398 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: several months, you know, following up killing back, the ending, 399 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: back the end, and of course, sir Sarah, we're gonna 400 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: have to get you, Sarah. We gotta get you on 401 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: a better connection. Can we call Can you get you 402 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: a call right back? Because I can't hear anything you're 403 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: saying and I'll think the team here can either. Can 404 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: you give us a ring right back? We have a 405 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: better I'll call you right back. Sorry about that, Thank you. 406 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: Um let's take Charlie and Georgia for a second here 407 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: while we're waiting for Sarah. Charlie, you are on the 408 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. What's up? Hey, Buck? You too, sir, 409 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: she'll tie. Well, I heard you say something with Mrs 410 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: Sarah just a second ago, and I want you to 411 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: tell everybody else in the free world that don't know 412 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: that term, tell them what battle buddy means. Oh, battle 413 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: buddy is somebody who's your buddy from battle sonoy who 414 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: served with you. But I mean, I mean it's it's 415 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: somebody who's assigned to you in the in the army. 416 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: But we we met it in the term of you know, 417 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: I met it metaphorically as and we were we were 418 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: next to each other and on a debate show. I 419 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: never served, neither did Sarah. For the sur realistic well 420 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: me and you know that what they didn't Anyway, I 421 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you a question. My father served a 422 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: Vietnam so I've dinner. I've been studying anthropology and human 423 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: beings for a long time trying to figure out what 424 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: happened after the draft of a policy. Did you see 425 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: what went on? Because I could see it after I 426 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: started getting down in the in the in the numbers, 427 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: they started over taxing and over regulating and overcharging businesses. 428 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: It's creating a job vacuum in the US, and they 429 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: run a lot of businesses overseas. Along with that, they 430 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: also kept minimal wage very low, and they started skyrocketing 431 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: the prices of a higher education. Now, my my faught 432 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: flo couldn't send him to a higher education. My host 433 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: couldn't send legal higher education. I'm probably not going to 434 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: be able to send my daughter to a higher education. Now, 435 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: where can you go to get a job? A guaranteed 436 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: job and an education that you're gonna say for Charlie, 437 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: are you are you bringing this to the conclusion here 438 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: that you think that higher education is too expensive and 439 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: so a lot of people join the military. Is that 440 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people joined the military 441 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: because there's no jobs that around here, at least in 442 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: the area that I was raised in. Did you serve 443 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: out of curiosity or I did? First of than my 444 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: team tailed artillery Ahill, Oklahoma, my and injured, Well, thank 445 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: you for your service. I think the military as huge 446 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: as you well know, and a lot of people joined 447 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: for a whole bunch of different reasons. And I can't 448 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: speak to them as somebody who hasn't served, but I 449 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: do know from those that I worked alongside within in 450 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: the war zones, both in Rock and Afghanistan that overwhelmingly. 451 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: It seemed to me that the primary motivation was serving 452 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: to serve um. But if if you, I mean colleges, 453 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: college is too expensive, So that's a that's a whole 454 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: different that's a whole different conversation. Now it's really graduate 455 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: school that you're pushed towards. And I was being pushed 456 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: towards that myself and decided to bail at the last 457 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: minute and not do that because I didn't want to 458 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: take the loans on. So all these kids that complain 459 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: about their loans, uh, complain about their loans, Uh, they 460 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: have made a decision. They've gone down that pathway. I 461 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: didn't go down that pathway, and people need to be 462 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: go ahead. Now, I love your show and I think 463 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: you're probably one of the most intelligent people I've ever 464 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: spoke to on the telephone. And well you're very kind sir. 465 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: But um, the only thing that turned me onto you 466 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: was that day that you took over for russ Okay, yeah, 467 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: the russiavillans were great. Yes. I immediately said, this is 468 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: the guy. This is the guy. He's he's the one 469 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: that's gonna make a change. He's gonna change people's minds you. 470 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: You speak so clearly. You make things easy to understand, 471 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: for the for the for the little class. Now you 472 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: know what anthropologies? Right? Yes, yes I do. But Charlie, 473 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: we we've actually got our guests back on the line. 474 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: So I want to give you a last word here 475 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: and then I've got to get back to Sarah. But 476 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: I do appreciate you you calling in any last thoughts here. 477 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: Oh man, I've been I want you to run for 478 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: president because I love the way you think. All right, Mann, 479 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: thank you. I'll take that shields high. Charlie, thank you 480 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: for your service, and thank if your call ending on 481 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: edit on a high note. I like it. Uh, you know, Hey, 482 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: what's up? Sarah? There we go loud and clear in stereo. 483 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: President Buck, I heard that. You know. I have zero 484 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: interest in political office. But I'll take people you know, 485 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: telling their friends about the radio show. That would be great. 486 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: So anyway, Sarah, shameless plugs aside. Um, let's let's get 487 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: into the details. What have you got for us on 488 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: what's true what's not? When it comes to Susan Rice 489 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: and unmasking and Sarah, we're gonna hold you through a 490 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: break in a minute here because you want to get 491 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: you on the side to give you a full segment, 492 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: but first just just give me what you got on 493 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: that maybe a little bit of a preview of what 494 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: else we can talk about. Two. Okay, this is what's 495 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: true back I mean, and I think a lot of 496 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: people need to understand this, that when the laws were 497 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: relaxed under the Obama administration, that means the laws in 498 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, two thousand fifteen, and then in two 499 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: thousand seventeen when those were relaxed as far as unmasking 500 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: and requesting those unmasking, we know that White House Advisor 501 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: Susan Rice was accessing, actually asking the n s A 502 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: to unmask certain people in transcripts that she had obtained, 503 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: and those transcripts referenced Donald Trump and his associates. What 504 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: was in those transcripts, we don't know because they are 505 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: highly classified and we don't have access to them, but 506 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: we know it was enough to stud sherman unions. So 507 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: we were We had reported on the past and last 508 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: week about these relaxed rules. We had reported that John 509 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: Brennan was also given this type of very significant access 510 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: as well as as well as seperate but for the 511 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: n s A to be able to request those as well, 512 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: which was Susan Rice. It opened up the whole new door. 513 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: And as we know today, she admitted that on MSNBC. 514 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: She did say she did not use it for political purposes. 515 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: That was her statement. But I think that an investigation 516 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of people are calling for her to 517 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: testify before Congress and also look into what she was 518 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: looking at exactly and why and those are those are 519 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: some of the most important questions. I know there are 520 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: calls today for her to testify under oath on the issue. 521 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: Are you hearing that that's going to happen? Are are 522 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: the GOP members in the House of the Senate Intelligence 523 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: Committee going to say, you know what, we've got to 524 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: ask her some stuff? They certainly are. They are certainly 525 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: going to push in that direction. Now, she did not 526 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: give an inkling either way whether or not that would 527 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: happen if she was going to actually volunteer to testify. 528 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: That has not been That has not been made public yet. 529 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: But we know that Trey Gaudy wants her to testify. 530 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: We know Rand Paul wants her to testify. We know 531 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: there's others. Sherman Nunius wants her to testify. So there's 532 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 1: a lot of people very very concerned, and I need 533 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: to ask you this question back. I need to say 534 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: this question out to all of your listeners. Was she 535 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: heading an investigation? I mean, she talked about the need 536 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: to know or national intelligence, but she's the National Security 537 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: Advisor to the President. She's not FBI Director James Comy. 538 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: So when she's actually requesting the unmasking of all of 539 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: these documents, we have to ask ourselves why this is 540 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: a very very serious civil liberty issue when it comes 541 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: to unmasking Americans or the names of Americans in conversations, 542 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: whether that's foreign to foreign or whether it's American to foreign, 543 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: these are very very serious issues. So why was she 544 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: requesting it? It's not the job of the National Security 545 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: Advisor to lead an investigation, So she needs to answer 546 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: those questions um as to what she was looking at, 547 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: and if they went beyond Russia, Y and Sarah, we 548 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: could we could make this all very straight. We we 549 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: could get into this and talk about all the different 550 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: ins and outs of this is we're doing right now. 551 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: But I think it's also worth telling everybody, or just 552 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: or summarizing for everyone that what we're talking about here, 553 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: if true, would be a national security advisor using the 554 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: powers of the intelligence community. And it's incredible and massive 555 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: and widespread spying and surveillance techniques for the purposes of 556 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: settling a political score with an incoming presidential administration. That 557 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: is third world dictator. Scary toff. If in fact that 558 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: is what happened. Uh, this is not That's not an exaggeration. 559 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: If that happened, it is spying on an incoming administration. 560 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: It's incredibly serious. What are you hearing just at a 561 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: at a gut level from sources that you have in 562 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: the intel community, in the intel community, either in DC 563 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: area or beyond um in terms of whether they think 564 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: there's something deeply wrong here or do they think that 565 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: this is too early to tell. Where are they on 566 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,479 Speaker 1: the scale? There's actually two camps buck to this. There's 567 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: there's two separate camps. But the bigger camp. The Intel 568 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: officials that I've been speaking to and the people that 569 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: have been most gravely concerned about this, they say it 570 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: all the time. They have said, Look, the most the 571 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: scariest thought for them is that this information was used 572 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: as political espionage. This goes far beyond what our founding 573 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: fathers wanted what our constitution establishes. So this is why, 574 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: this is why you're hearing about this story, right. I 575 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: mean all started with the leaking of Michael Flynn's name, 576 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: Lieutenant General Michael Flynn. When his name was leaked to 577 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: the Washington Post, all of a sudden, the world became 578 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: aware that there were the spizes and that people were unmasked. 579 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, Tubac, I really believe that 580 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: there were a narrow group of people, especially when it 581 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: came to Flynn's name, a narrow group of people that 582 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: had access to those transcripts to those conversations between then 583 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: National Security Advisor Michael Flynn or before that, and the 584 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: Russian ambassador. And when that, when that information leaked to 585 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: the public, all of a sudden, a can of worms 586 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: opened up bigger than what anybody expected. And that's where 587 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: they're going to find. I mean, that's the real law 588 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: that's been broken, and that's considered political. I mean, that's 589 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: espionage that goes far beyond political espionage. I mean that's 590 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: prosecutable under the Espionage Act, the leaking of his name, 591 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: And uh, I don't think it's going to be such 592 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: a wide scope of people when it comes to that, 593 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: I really think that a narrow scope of people if 594 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: the d o J asks the FBI for an investigation, Sarah, 595 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: one more for you here before we're gonna have to 596 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: run into a break. And that is, what are the 597 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: questions that you are going to try to answer next 598 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: with regard to all of the Susan Rice unmasking Trump 599 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: Russia investigation stuff that is going through the news cycle 600 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: right now. What are the questions that you're going to 601 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: try to answer in the days and weeks ahead. I 602 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: would like to know who authorized Susan Rice or did 603 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: she do it of her own accord? But was she 604 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: authorized to ask the n s A to unmask and 605 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: by whom? I mean? Did she brief President Obama on 606 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: these unmaskings? And why? What was so relevant to these unmaskings. 607 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: I also think that we need to look at a 608 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: wider scope of what happened since two thousand eleven. We 609 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: need to look back and see how many more people 610 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: were unmasked? I mean, was this just solely for national 611 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: security purposes? But did the White House take it upon themselves? 612 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: Did Susan Rice unmask more people prior to this? And 613 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: I think that's a question we need dak was were 614 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: there congressional people and masks? Were regular citizens unmasked? I mean, 615 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: these these are things that we need answered, and I 616 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: know these are concerned that people within the intelligence community 617 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: have because the intelligence community, a lot of the members 618 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: that I've spoken to and the sources that I've spoken to, say, look, 619 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: we're not the bad guys here. We're trying to do 620 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: our job, and we don't want to be made out 621 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: to look to be like the bad guys, to look 622 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: like we're spying on Americans, because that is not our 623 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: job and that is not what we are doing. We're 624 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: here to protect Americans. Sarah Carter is a Circuit News 625 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: national security and war correspondent. Sarah, great to have you 626 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: come back soon and have a good rest of your day. 627 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: Thanks so much back, Thank you, team. Phones are open 628 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: here in the Freedom Hunt eight five sorry eight four 629 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: four buck gosh eight four four eight to five eight 630 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: four four nine hundred buck Now, Okay, I see this 631 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: from a political reporter that I'm not familiar with, but 632 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: it's a verified account, just came out, breaking news. We 633 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: might be able to give you more breaking news on 634 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: this producer, Amy, are you seeing this to you? Let 635 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: me know if you see any of this. Uh that 636 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: the White House. This is from Josh Dawzy Political White 637 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: House for Politico White House Reporter that activists should expect 638 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: the healthcare law in eight thirty meeting tonight, So we 639 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: might have breaking news for you on that. So we 640 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: will keep an eye on that. We may have breaking 641 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: news for you. We may may have breaking news for 642 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: you coming up here. Um and uh, yeah, that's that's 643 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: coming up. I'm I'm looking at this right now, and 644 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: I am thinking that we might have an eight thirty 645 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: Eastern text of healthcare bill that has offered up. Um. 646 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll be right back. Team stay with me, 647 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America. Now, the Freedom Hut is fired 648 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: up as Team Buck assembles shoulder to shoulder shields high 649 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: call in eight four four D Buck, that's eight four 650 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: four D to eight to five. I will be voting 651 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: against cloture unless we are able as a body to 652 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: finally sit down and find a way to avoid the 653 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: nuclear options for Democrats are afraid of being primaried. Please, 654 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: it's been building up for years. All I can say 655 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: is what goes around comes around. Democrats vowing to filibuster 656 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: over the Gorseitch Supreme Court nomination. Where will this lead 657 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 1: and what does it mean? Got our friend Charles Cook 658 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: on the line, everybody. He is the editor for National 659 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 1: Review on and also author of the Conservatory Manifesto. Charles, 660 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: great to have you, sir, Thank you for having me. Gorcitch. 661 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like there's much of a fight for the 662 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: Democrats to mount, here, much of an argument for them 663 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: to make, and yet here we are they are pushing 664 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: it all the way. Do you think Republicans will respond 665 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: in kind and go all the way? I think there's 666 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: no question about that. It seems possible to me that 667 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: there will be a last minute reprieve. There are a 668 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: good number of Democrats who are up for re election 669 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight in the Senate, and those 670 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: people are in states that Trump wa Montana, test Claim 671 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: Acas girl in Missouri. Could I see a last minute deal? 672 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: Yes I could. And when I say deal, I mean 673 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: mechanism that allows the Democratic Party to say a faith 674 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: if it does not materialize. There's no question in my 675 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: mind that McConnell will invoke the Duke corruption And what 676 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: do you think about the concern earns that people have 677 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: about the character the character of the Senate. You've got 678 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: Senator Tom Cotton, for example, who's out there saying the following, 679 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: do you worry at all about this rulemaking how it 680 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: might change or alter the character of the Senate? No, Jake, 681 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 1: I don't uh. For two fourteen years, the Senate had 682 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: never not once in the Paris and filibuster defeated a 683 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: nominee to the courts or to the executive branch. That 684 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: all changed in two thousand three when Chuck Schumer persuaded 685 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: Democrats to begin filibus during judges. Then that continued under 686 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: the Obama era, and the Democrats used the so called 687 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: nuclear option in two thousand thirteen. But there's a world 688 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: of difference between Republicans using a tool that the Democrats 689 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: first abused in two thousand thirteen to restore a two 690 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 1: fourteen year old tradition that the Democrats first violated in 691 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: two thousand three. After this week, we'll be back to 692 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: where that two hundred fourteen tradition was, which is that 693 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: nominee should get an upper down vote. And that's probably 694 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: where we should have stayed all along. Mr Cook, what's 695 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 1: a in response? To Senator Cotton, well, I think he's right, 696 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: but I do think that the consequences will be a 697 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,919 Speaker 1: change Senate, and I think it's regrettable. I think that's 698 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: a separate question from who is to blame. I've been 699 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: joking for a little bit that if Mr McConnell really 700 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: wanted to become a troll, he would refer to the 701 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: seat that Judge calls such is presumably about to take 702 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: as Maguel Estrada's feed in response to the Democratic Party 703 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: is calling it Garland feed. And I say that because 704 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: that was the moment, not not really the book nomination, 705 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: but that was the moment at which everything changed. That 706 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: was for the d C circuit right right. You saw 707 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party starting to filip us to anyone that 708 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: they thought might be good Supreme Court material in the future. 709 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: And Tom Carton is right to say that if one 710 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: wants to talk about collegiality at that moment is kids. 711 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: And then of course Harry Reid taking the new cale 712 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: options for all judges other than those for the Supreme 713 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: Court in two thousand thirteen. This is the inevitable result 714 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: of that. This was a battle that was wrapped up 715 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: by the Democratic Party but look, I wish that had 716 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: never happened now. I don't think that it would make 717 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: sense to Republicans unil actually to disarm. I don't think 718 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: it would make sense for Mr McConnell to wait until 719 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: the Democrats retain a regain a majority in the Senate 720 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: and then to exercise the filibuster. But I'm a little 721 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,320 Speaker 1: more concerned about what this will do to the Senate 722 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,919 Speaker 1: than is Tom Cotton. I think it's regrettable we are here. 723 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: Why what's the concerned? Charles? Explain me why this this work? 724 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: I've heard others say this. In fact, I know my 725 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: friend Sean Davis over the Federalist is of the concerned, 726 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: but still the right move for Republicans side. If things 727 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: sounds like you're there as well. The concern is is 728 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: what that that we won't have filibusters for judicial nominees? 729 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: What what do you see as the problem? Well, the 730 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: concern is this, Um, if you look at most countries 731 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: in the world, Um, they have parliaments, they have simple 732 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,240 Speaker 1: majoritarian rules, and that is the case regardless of how 733 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: big they are geographically. The United States has a federal system, 734 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: and one of the precepts of that system is that 735 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: what the national government does should be limited. It should 736 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 1: also be difficult to achieve. And one of the mechanisms 737 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: that makes set a reality is the Senate. Not just 738 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: because the Senate represents the States rather than h a 739 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: population based democratic body, um, but because there are all 740 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: sorts of rules within the Senate that make it difficult 741 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: to get by it. And as a conservative, I like 742 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: that because it means that when there is a law, 743 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,280 Speaker 1: that law by definition has a good deal of buying 744 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: from the states and from the people, not not even 745 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: necessarily just fifty one per cent, but a lot more 746 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: than that. And I think when it comes to the 747 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 1: officials that have an increasing amount of power over our lives, 748 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaker 1: be the exact to do branch officials, be they judicial officials, 749 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: it is a good thing to require, buy it and 750 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: substantial by it. Um. Now, I think that we have 751 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: unfortunately got to a point at which the system has 752 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: become so parties than And also, let's be clear, um, 753 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: progressives have decided that the Constitution doesn't matter, that the 754 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: text doesn't matter, that the Supreme Court should be a 755 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: super ledges. That ye, that is the root cause of 756 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: our problem here. I think we've arrived there. But I 757 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: do worry that the Senate might start to resemble more 758 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: and more the House, and that therefore the checks on 759 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: federal expansion and on federal action, which used to be 760 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: constitutionally based, are now rules based, will be diminished. Charles, 761 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: by the way, I saw that, you also saw this 762 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 1: that two theaters across the US, we're showing George Or, 763 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: which is the book manage a movie in protests of 764 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump last night without a trace of irony. It 765 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: seems to me you have people who, ideologically, based on 766 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: their opposition to Trump, I assume, are in favor of 767 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 1: being able to force evangelical bakers to make cakes for 768 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 1: gay weddings, believe that if you rather think that any 769 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: refusal to accept gender as a social construct as a 770 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,720 Speaker 1: form of hate speech, uh, And believe that citizens United 771 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: open the floodgates of foreign money despite the fact that 772 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,840 Speaker 1: actually it would allow the government to regulate books if 773 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: it had gone the other way. Without a trace of irony, 774 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: now being embraced by the status left, it's kind of 775 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: funny to me, Oh well, it's much abuse. George Or 776 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: was a socialist who was worried that socialism would lead 777 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: inexorably toward authoritarianism. Now, it is difficult to transplant him 778 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: into the American context. You never, in fact visited America. 779 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: He didn't have much interest in America over honest, But 780 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: there seems a doubt given his writings, that George or 781 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 1: would have been a staunch advocate of the First Amendment 782 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: and also a staunch advocate of the Second Amendment. You 783 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: read his writings on this, not just the famous quote 784 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: about the rifle on the labor as all being the 785 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: sign of democracy, but also some incredibly interesting discussions of 786 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: how free society has required some sort of parity and 787 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: weaponry between the states and the citizen. This was a 788 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: man who was a leveler, and in many ways he 789 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: fit within the classical liberal framework that informs American conservatives. 790 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 1: Em even though he was an elder fined socialist. That 791 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is problematic, I think he's obvious. I've criticized 792 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 1: him repeatedly, including on your show. But to recruit George 793 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,000 Speaker 1: Orwell to the size of modern American progressivism really is 794 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 1: a step due what it shows is that they're familiar 795 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 1: with some of the slogans from four where I know 796 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 1: a lot of people are all big other and maybe 797 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 1: they don't even know that it comes from idea, but 798 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: they're familiar with that, but it's at so surface a 799 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: level that they don't understand that in an overbearing, overwhelming 800 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 1: state is what or well feared, and that is in 801 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 1: fact what the kids who are at these movies or 802 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 1: not kids, whatever, college kids and older who are at 803 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,439 Speaker 1: these movies, that's what they want. I mean, they want 804 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: the state in charge of healthcare, They want the state 805 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,919 Speaker 1: in charge of speech. So want the state in charge 806 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 1: of everything. They want big brothers. The party in is 807 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: of course inkstock ink sock is and theologism for English socialists. 808 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: This was not a right wing party. Don't trump as 809 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 1: many things. And again I am a staunch critic of 810 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, um, but if anything, the last few weeks 811 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,319 Speaker 1: have shown us that his root problem is weakness, not 812 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:53,879 Speaker 1: authoritarian strength. Unfortunately, that cannot be said for Leviathan, which 813 00:48:53,920 --> 00:49:00,040 Speaker 1: increasingly pushes into our lives instructed often by nobody. And 814 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: I know that you were just over speaking of of 815 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 1: foreign foreign situations here, you were just over in France. 816 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,959 Speaker 1: You wrote about France's right word shift for National Review. 817 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: Just just tell us what you're what your travels over 818 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: there in the land of the Eiffel Tower illuminated for you, Charles, 819 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: that might be applicable to our current political context in 820 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: some way. I think the important thing to understand about 821 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: the French election is that France has moved somewhat to 822 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 1: the right, and there is a real populist tendency there 823 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: at the moment, and that the one person who seemed 824 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:40,439 Speaker 1: ideally suited to soak up some of that anger and 825 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: also remain a credible face on the world stage, Fonsis fiance, 826 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: has unfortunately been embroiled in a series of scandals. Therefore, 827 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: there is a vacuum in the middle, and the likely 828 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 1: winner of the election will be a Michael Emmanuel mccron, 829 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: who believes in nothing. He's b cuous in everywhere. He's 830 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,839 Speaker 1: the centrist, he says, he's not from left and right. 831 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 1: He seems not to hold any views whatsoever. He famously 832 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 1: said France does not have a culture. He is really 833 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 1: Isn't that like the ultimate sacrilege in France to say 834 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,560 Speaker 1: France does not have a culture. Also it's also untrue 835 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: um and that the result of this has been that 836 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: the more extreme party is there, the fur Nationale the 837 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,760 Speaker 1: New Socialist Party and benois Amant have grown in stature 838 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,400 Speaker 1: and an influence. Now I think it's likely that mccrom 839 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,279 Speaker 1: will win, and in some ways that is a good 840 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: thing because he is not crazy. He is vacuous. But 841 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: as a friend of mine puts it, and I wrote 842 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 1: this in the piece, he is the worst person who 843 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 1: could possibly be president of France at this populist and 844 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,800 Speaker 1: angry moment. I mean, this is a country in which 845 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: of young people are unemployed. It's had one percent or 846 00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,080 Speaker 1: lower growth for five years. The current president form so 847 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,720 Speaker 1: i'll lamp is a socialist, has a five percent approval rating. 848 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:12,040 Speaker 1: You do not want a generally disliked, vacuous globalist who 849 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,440 Speaker 1: believes that France is not distinct from any other country 850 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: to to fill that void, and unfortunately that team is 851 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: that that's going to happen in France. Charles Cook is 852 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 1: editor for National Review Online and also authored The Conservatory 853 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: and Manifesto. Check out his latest everyone on National Review 854 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,920 Speaker 1: dot com. Charles, thank you so much for making time 855 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 1: good to have you. 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Alright, some calls are up, let's take them. 882 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 1: Dan in North Carolina on w p T I, Hey Dan, 883 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,839 Speaker 1: good afternoon, Buck, thank you for taking my call. Good afternoon, sir. 884 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,279 Speaker 1: Thank you. Anyway, I just uh, you got off on 885 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,799 Speaker 1: that you call her there. I I just want to 886 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,239 Speaker 1: say one thing. If it's so obvious to me that 887 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump really I've listened to him now for a while, 888 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 1: and he does love this country and he's trying to 889 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,000 Speaker 1: do what's right for this country. That's in my opinion anyway, 890 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: And I gotta get that out there. But back to 891 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,319 Speaker 1: this uh Susan Rice thing. You know, she oversaw all 892 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,279 Speaker 1: the Benghazi uh fiasco, and fiasco is probably a light word. 893 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 1: She was the initial messenger chosen by the administration right 894 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 1: after the Benghazi terrorist attack. Correct. And I remember what, 895 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, how Romney was excoriated by the press and 896 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,880 Speaker 1: the media when he made mention that he tried, you know, 897 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,920 Speaker 1: trying to blame it on the Obama administration. And I 898 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 1: realized these are somewhat separate issues as far as the 899 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: security and intelligence gathering and conveying to different people. But 900 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 1: if anybody can believe anything Susan Rice says at this 901 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,880 Speaker 1: point forward, I just I don't see where it's going 902 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,480 Speaker 1: to go. Because to me, you know, they they claim 903 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 1: Benghazi was going to be the next Watergate, and and 904 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm hearing this now with this uh, all this leaking 905 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,680 Speaker 1: and everything, how it's solved, Dan, let me, I'm gonna 906 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,399 Speaker 1: make a prediction right now. I'll make actually a couple 907 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,840 Speaker 1: of predictions. Nobody will go to prison nor be prosecuted 908 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: for the uh for leaks associated with Trump surveillance or 909 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,000 Speaker 1: phone calls involving Trump associates or anything. There will be 910 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,680 Speaker 1: no one that is sent to prison over that. No 911 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,799 Speaker 1: one will go to prison on the Trump side for 912 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,680 Speaker 1: collusion with Russia or any of any of that. Uh. 913 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 1: These investigations will proceed, Eventually, public interest will wane, and 914 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,880 Speaker 1: people that believe that Trump colluded with Russia will continue 915 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: to believe that despite having no evidence, and people that 916 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:51,120 Speaker 1: believe that the Obama White House was involved in political 917 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,759 Speaker 1: surveillance and targeting and shenanigans and all the rest of it. 918 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,400 Speaker 1: As as we've seen here at the allegations against Susan Rice, 919 00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,439 Speaker 1: people will continue to believe that I don't. I don't 920 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,759 Speaker 1: think this any of this, and this is very unsatisfying. 921 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: It's why people don't say it, and I'm sure a 922 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: lot people want to hear it. But this is my 923 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 1: prediction that there will be no satisfying end to any 924 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,080 Speaker 1: of this, and that we'll see this is largely a 925 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: waste of time and resources. That's kind of what I 926 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,239 Speaker 1: was getting to. That's where we're really at. It would 927 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,440 Speaker 1: be nuts. It's you can call it a distraction or 928 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: whatever you want, but people forget Michael. You know, Susan 929 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: Rice was Michael Flynn's predecessor before all this. They both 930 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,560 Speaker 1: come from the Department of State. They both Michael Flynn 931 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 1: being in the Department of State when he was and 932 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,400 Speaker 1: now being gone. Doodle. Flynn was a career Flynn was 933 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,600 Speaker 1: a career military officer, correct, Correct, But he was also 934 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, it was going to be the uh national 935 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 1: security advisor for Trump, right state Department, right states part? 936 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,200 Speaker 1: What is that? National security advisors is a White House position, 937 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,440 Speaker 1: It's not a not a state department position. Correct, Okay, 938 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,400 Speaker 1: fair enough, that's all right. I just wanted to make 939 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 1: sure we're on the same page and we're clear. Go ahead. 940 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,720 Speaker 1: You were saying, I'm word, I'm taking up your valuable 941 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,800 Speaker 1: No it's not. It's what makes it valuable, as folks 942 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: like you listening and calling him when they get the chance. So, uh, Dan, 943 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,839 Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Thanks for calling from 944 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 1: North Carolina, Shields High Sir. And Melissa in West Virginia 945 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,279 Speaker 1: on the I Heart app. What's up Melissa? Not much, 946 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:24,160 Speaker 1: but how about you? I'm very well. I'm calling because 947 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,640 Speaker 1: it seems that everyone you know, failing to know history, 948 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 1: we're doomed to repeat it. Everybody's nything kine about the 949 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:36,680 Speaker 1: silibuster um. The truth is the silibuster didn't even exist 950 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,319 Speaker 1: until well into the eighteen hundreds, and it wasn't abused 951 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,840 Speaker 1: until nineteen seventy five, and it's just gotten out of hand. 952 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 1: The intent was for a simple majority. You might have noticed, 953 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 1: as Melissa, not to interrupt you, pardon me, but you 954 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,200 Speaker 1: might have noticed. Even with my friends, my erudite and 955 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 1: and estimable friends, Charles Cook and later on we'll have 956 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,280 Speaker 1: Shawn Avis joining too. They're both very smart, very squared 957 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,439 Speaker 1: away uh stal War conservatives, and they're just much they're 958 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,880 Speaker 1: just more concerned about what this does to the Senate 959 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,399 Speaker 1: that I am. I it concerns me not at all. Well, 960 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 1: would concern me is Republicans showing a lack of spine. 961 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,800 Speaker 1: And then we know Democrats go all the way, Republicans equivocate, 962 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,920 Speaker 1: moderate and play kate and that's not acceptable. Yes, and 963 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,800 Speaker 1: I agree with that. And if we're going to go 964 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,960 Speaker 1: and start returning to the original intent, in the original 965 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,440 Speaker 1: way things were done, let us also return to the 966 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 1: original way that senators were put into the Senate by 967 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 1: their state legislatures, not by election. That keeps the lobbying 968 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,040 Speaker 1: money from having any influence. You are then bound to 969 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 1: represent your state. How do we keep the lobbying influence 970 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,120 Speaker 1: from from having any influence? Sorry, I miss the very 971 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:56,560 Speaker 1: beginning of that. The state legislatures used to choose the 972 00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: two senators for their state. That keeps the law being 973 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,240 Speaker 1: money out of the senator's pocket. That wouldn't That just wouldn't. 974 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,240 Speaker 1: Wouldn't The money wouldn't more money than just go to 975 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,560 Speaker 1: the state the state legislatures. When you know, corruption is 976 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,520 Speaker 1: a tough thing to chase. It is often like squeezing 977 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,440 Speaker 1: the balloon. Well, of course, but at least states are 978 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,160 Speaker 1: getting money and you know, states rights before a centralized government. 979 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,720 Speaker 1: You make you make a point there, Madam Melissa West, 980 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,640 Speaker 1: Virginia Shields Tie. Thank you very much for calling in 981 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,840 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Uh where were we? I had some other 982 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 1: stuff I wanted to um get into with you. Oh 983 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,720 Speaker 1: do I have no, I don't. I'll get to it later. 984 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,840 Speaker 1: I got Chelsea Clinton asking questions and we gotta I 985 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,000 Speaker 1: gotta be careful here when we talk about nepotism and 986 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:49,320 Speaker 1: political dynasties, because it's a bipartisan issue, my friends. Uh, 987 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,840 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a little bit of a 988 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 1: problem on both sides with that. But we don't have 989 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 1: to talk about that right now. UM. I want to 990 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,280 Speaker 1: get up some other topics. Also want to take your 991 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:03,919 Speaker 1: calls eight four four to five. We will get into 992 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,720 Speaker 1: um yeah, I think we'll probably actually do that coming 993 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 1: up here. We'll talk about the chemical weapons attack in Syria, 994 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,360 Speaker 1: and I'll give you as a former CIA analysts assigned 995 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 1: to and spent a bunch of time in the Mid 996 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,800 Speaker 1: East and uh South Asia. UM, I will give you 997 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,440 Speaker 1: my sense of what we can take away in the 998 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,760 Speaker 1: aftermath of this terrible chemical weapons attack. That happened in Syria. 999 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,040 Speaker 1: It's got everyone talking about US foreign policy in Syria, 1000 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,760 Speaker 1: and of course the way the media covers this now 1001 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,920 Speaker 1: versus during the previous administration is of interest to me. 1002 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,080 Speaker 1: But most importantly, what should we do about the terrible 1003 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,560 Speaker 1: mess that is Syria? What does it mean for US troops, 1004 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,040 Speaker 1: U S national security? We'll get into that more. Stay 1005 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 1: with me. He's an x CIA officer who knows how 1006 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,800 Speaker 1: to outsmart the enemies of liberty. What I do have 1007 00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,600 Speaker 1: a very particular set of skills, Buck Sexton with America 1008 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Now team your mission, should you choose to accept it, 1009 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,320 Speaker 1: called the Freedom Hunt Operations Center nine hundred Buck make 1010 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:15,840 Speaker 1: contact unless you're under hostile surveillance to eight to five. 1011 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:23,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Seam. The worst chemical attack in years in 1012 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,480 Speaker 1: Syria is the headline on the New York Times. Um 1013 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,680 Speaker 1: this was earlier today. The United States blamed the Syrian 1014 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,320 Speaker 1: government and its patrons Russia and Iran for one of 1015 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:41,600 Speaker 1: the deadliest chemical weapon attacks in Syria in years. AH. 1016 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,760 Speaker 1: So this is bringing up, of course, what the US 1017 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,480 Speaker 1: is going to do in response to this civil war. 1018 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: That the estimates are range broadly, but roughly half a 1019 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,120 Speaker 1: million people have been killed in this war. It has 1020 01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:08,240 Speaker 1: spawned the terrorist group ISIS, the Islamic State, which has 1021 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:13,880 Speaker 1: both killed and maimed and tortured and brutalized countless people 1022 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:19,960 Speaker 1: in Syria and Iraq, but also been a inspiration for, 1023 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:25,280 Speaker 1: and in many cases logistical support to and director of 1024 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:31,480 Speaker 1: terrorists attacks abroad, including in Europe and here in America, 1025 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,800 Speaker 1: with its inspiring of so called lone wolves to engage 1026 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,400 Speaker 1: in terrorism. I have a few thoughts I want to 1027 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,760 Speaker 1: share on what's going on here, because while this is 1028 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:49,400 Speaker 1: a terrible atrocity, it is noteworthy that chemical weapons have 1029 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:54,720 Speaker 1: been used in Syria numerous times since the civil war 1030 01:01:54,800 --> 01:02:01,160 Speaker 1: began years ago, during Obama's time in office, and I 1031 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,680 Speaker 1: can't and I want to focus more on the Syria 1032 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,360 Speaker 1: policy aspect of this and what it means for US 1033 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,400 Speaker 1: is honestly the most important thing to me. But I 1034 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,880 Speaker 1: can't help but notice that here we are early on 1035 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,480 Speaker 1: in the Trump administration, and there are part of this, 1036 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,040 Speaker 1: to be fair, is there's a new administration. There should 1037 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,760 Speaker 1: be new thinking and a new approach. But I also 1038 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:31,680 Speaker 1: believe that there is a maybe it's subconscious, but oftentimes 1039 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,040 Speaker 1: the media in general will find because it is the 1040 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:46,800 Speaker 1: Trump administration a greater propensity to tell stories that are negative, dispiriting, depressing, destructive, 1041 01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:53,480 Speaker 1: or about destruction. I've seen some very detailed stories about 1042 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,600 Speaker 1: Syria and raising the questions of what we do in 1043 01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:02,120 Speaker 1: response to this humanitarian disaster. And this raged for years, 1044 01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,080 Speaker 1: really for the entirety of Obama's second term, and there 1045 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:06,800 Speaker 1: was very little that was done about it. And in fact, 1046 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,680 Speaker 1: some of the missteps of the Obama administration in Syria 1047 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:14,360 Speaker 1: are hard or with regard to Syria policy, are really 1048 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,000 Speaker 1: hard to keep out of this discussion. I know that 1049 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,120 Speaker 1: there is a fatigue with oh, it's Obama's It's always 1050 01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 1: Obama's fault. You hear a lot of national security and 1051 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,720 Speaker 1: foreign affairs pundits it's like, come on, we need to 1052 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,520 Speaker 1: move on from that. But when you look at Syria policy, 1053 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,560 Speaker 1: there are a few moments that really stand out that 1054 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,400 Speaker 1: brought us to the current situation where you have the 1055 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,520 Speaker 1: usage of chemical weapons and what is the response to it? 1056 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,800 Speaker 1: Will we we don't really have a response in place. 1057 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,680 Speaker 1: What are we going to do about it? We don't know. 1058 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,920 Speaker 1: That's because it has been long standing policy, that was 1059 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,160 Speaker 1: long standing policy under Obama's time. In office two uh 1060 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,520 Speaker 1: not enforce the initial red line about chemical weapons, which 1061 01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:00,000 Speaker 1: President President Obama himself stated that if chemical weapons were used, 1062 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,920 Speaker 1: that would be a red line. Chemical weapons were used 1063 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,560 Speaker 1: and then nothing was done. And this John Kerry as 1064 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:11,680 Speaker 1: Secretary of State negotiated deal to remove chemical weapons from 1065 01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:16,240 Speaker 1: Syria clearly did not have the intended effect if it 1066 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,320 Speaker 1: was meant to stop mass civilian casualties. In fact, the 1067 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:25,600 Speaker 1: Syrians recognized, and most of the serious policy analysts that 1068 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 1: I know understand this, and we'll even say it out 1069 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,960 Speaker 1: loud that once the Obama administration made it clear that 1070 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:38,200 Speaker 1: there would be no penalty for the Syrian regime or 1071 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:43,640 Speaker 1: its enablers Russia and Iran for force escalation against civilians, 1072 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,960 Speaker 1: as in, once nothing was done after the first chemical 1073 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,480 Speaker 1: weapons attack, it was quite clear that there was very 1074 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,240 Speaker 1: unlikely to be anything done in the future. When they 1075 01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,840 Speaker 1: were not just chemical weapons attacks but barrel bombs, which 1076 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:06,480 Speaker 1: are a crude, really airborne i e. Ed. They helicopter. 1077 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:12,960 Speaker 1: Syrian government deploys helicopters, pretty standard helicopters for this purpose. 1078 01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:17,320 Speaker 1: They will fly over pretty low over civilian area and 1079 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,920 Speaker 1: just pack explosives into a barrel and fill it with 1080 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,080 Speaker 1: shrapnel and then roll it out of the helicopter and 1081 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,000 Speaker 1: have a detonate in a crowded civilionaire I and this 1082 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,360 Speaker 1: creates mass casualties. It is clearly not a precise weapon, 1083 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,840 Speaker 1: and regardless of its precision, it is specifically deployed in 1084 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:41,720 Speaker 1: pack packed, dense civilian areas, marketplaces, hospitals. And that's what 1085 01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,360 Speaker 1: the Syrian regime has been doing. You also have the 1086 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:49,600 Speaker 1: Russian military using its air force against primarily non ISIS 1087 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:54,440 Speaker 1: targets in Syria, but destroying the opposition to ASSAD that 1088 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,760 Speaker 1: would be a non ISIS opposition. So what has What 1089 01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,600 Speaker 1: the Obama administration's legacy in Syria in terms of policy 1090 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:07,560 Speaker 1: really was amounts to not enforcing a redline, creating a 1091 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,320 Speaker 1: deal that did nothing, that did not stop chemical weapons 1092 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,800 Speaker 1: from being used. Chemical weapons were used, redline not enforced, 1093 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:19,760 Speaker 1: uh widespread systematic violence and atrocities against civilians, war crimes 1094 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:25,040 Speaker 1: unpunished by the Obama administration. Escalations by Iran and Russia 1095 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:30,280 Speaker 1: against civilians unpunished with without really much even protest from 1096 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,520 Speaker 1: the obamainistration. And that was in part because Obama was 1097 01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,560 Speaker 1: so dedicated to getting an agreement with Iran on nukes 1098 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,360 Speaker 1: that they want to make too much noise about Iran 1099 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:44,919 Speaker 1: in Syria helping to murder, torture, and mutilate civilians. Didn't 1100 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,040 Speaker 1: want that to compete with the more important long term 1101 01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:52,080 Speaker 1: foreign policy goal of getting in Iran nuclear deal, you see, 1102 01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:57,120 Speaker 1: so really left the Syrian people high and dry on 1103 01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:02,000 Speaker 1: that one. And also over the course of Obama's second term, 1104 01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:06,920 Speaker 1: we saw that the non Islamic state opposition to the 1105 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:11,360 Speaker 1: Assad regime the government of Syria ceased to be a 1106 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,600 Speaker 1: real factor, and at the end of the day, you 1107 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,880 Speaker 1: were left with where we are now, a situation in 1108 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:24,480 Speaker 1: which it was isis as the indigenous Syrian anti Assad 1109 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,160 Speaker 1: forced to be reckoned with and Assad, and there wasn't 1110 01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,440 Speaker 1: really much of a choice between the dictator Assad and 1111 01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:36,160 Speaker 1: the jihadists, the Islamic state and the civilized world. I 1112 01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,840 Speaker 1: have to say, as much as it may we may 1113 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,400 Speaker 1: realize it is odious and painful, the civilized world in 1114 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,720 Speaker 1: a choice between a dictator and jihadists is going to 1115 01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,360 Speaker 1: go with the dictator most of the time, irrespective of 1116 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,680 Speaker 1: what he does, your respective of how evil and vile 1117 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,960 Speaker 1: he may be. Because the jihadists, well, they're coming after us. 1118 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,640 Speaker 1: I mean they want to blow up planes flying from 1119 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,440 Speaker 1: Europe to the US just to make a point. Uh, 1120 01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:08,560 Speaker 1: the Assad regime, while grotesque and involved in support for 1121 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,920 Speaker 1: jihad in the Middle East, isn't quite as imminent a 1122 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,240 Speaker 1: threat to our interests as the jihadists of the Islamic State, 1123 01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,719 Speaker 1: which is really just another version of what al Qaeda 1124 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,320 Speaker 1: is in terms of ideology. So that is a legacy. 1125 01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,080 Speaker 1: You can't talk about Syria today without understanding how we 1126 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:31,360 Speaker 1: got here. And the overriding policy decision of the Obama 1127 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,600 Speaker 1: administration on Syria wasn't oh, I I need to not 1128 01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,639 Speaker 1: just don't do stupid stuff. I will place the word 1129 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,720 Speaker 1: that Obama used, but don't do stupid stuff as an 1130 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,840 Speaker 1: organizing principle, even Hillary Clinton herself, So that's not really 1131 01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:50,880 Speaker 1: an organizing principle. That's a pretty facil and uh, pseudo 1132 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,040 Speaker 1: intellectual approach to foreign policy. Well, don't do stupid stuff. 1133 01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,200 Speaker 1: That's great, what's stupid and what's stuff? And we can 1134 01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,400 Speaker 1: parse this all to day. It was really just not 1135 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,240 Speaker 1: to be bush, not to get pulled into a Mid 1136 01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,840 Speaker 1: East conflict. And that's now where I think we can 1137 01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:11,840 Speaker 1: transition to a discussion of what happens today. So we 1138 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,160 Speaker 1: have all of this footage that is out there, and 1139 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,240 Speaker 1: it is gut wrenching. It is horrific of Syrian civilians, 1140 01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:24,120 Speaker 1: including children, who were murdered with chemical weapons. And we 1141 01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:29,479 Speaker 1: understand that this is as heinous as it gets. And 1142 01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:33,200 Speaker 1: so there is an understandable human impulse here to say, 1143 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,439 Speaker 1: we must do something. We are the most powerful country 1144 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,720 Speaker 1: in the world. We have the most formidable and unstoppable 1145 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,960 Speaker 1: military in the history of the world. There must be 1146 01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:49,080 Speaker 1: something that we can do. This is where I think 1147 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:54,400 Speaker 1: the lessons that the American people have learned in a 1148 01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:59,360 Speaker 1: post nine eleven world apply more than any partisan leanings 1149 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,080 Speaker 1: or Obama did this, Bush did that. Trump should do 1150 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,160 Speaker 1: this now because of it, I look at this in 1151 01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:11,559 Speaker 1: the following way. We tried uh and it's an effort 1152 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,559 Speaker 1: that I have personal connection to, and that I was 1153 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:19,599 Speaker 1: on the Iraq desk at the CIA and spent time 1154 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,200 Speaker 1: in that country and did my my little part, whatever 1155 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:28,840 Speaker 1: that was my tiny part in an enormous effort to 1156 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:34,040 Speaker 1: help stabilize that country after the invasion. But we swooped 1157 01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:40,200 Speaker 1: in to save an Arab autocracy from its tyranny, right. 1158 01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:45,240 Speaker 1: We tried that, and despite what people are often let 1159 01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,599 Speaker 1: to leave. Now, a majority of the Iraqi people were 1160 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,559 Speaker 1: happy that Saddam Hussein was gone. We did depose an 1161 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,640 Speaker 1: evil dictator, and there was only a small minority of 1162 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,720 Speaker 1: Iraqis who took up arms against us. We suffered thousands 1163 01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,639 Speaker 1: of killed in action and tens of thousands of wounded, 1164 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,600 Speaker 1: and don't want to go down that road again. Understandably, 1165 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,000 Speaker 1: there is, quite honestly, not just in Iraq, but in 1166 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:17,719 Speaker 1: the broader Muslim world, a lack of appreciation for US 1167 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,040 Speaker 1: intentions in the Middle East. There are still widespread sentiment 1168 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:25,840 Speaker 1: that we are imperialistic, that we exploit, that we are 1169 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,479 Speaker 1: dishonest with our intentions, that we do Israel's bidding. That 1170 01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:34,200 Speaker 1: is also another conspiracy that you will hear from the 1171 01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,559 Speaker 1: guy who's a street vendor, all the way up to 1172 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,760 Speaker 1: the top intellectuals and government officials of some of these 1173 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,679 Speaker 1: Arab countries. You know that we are doing Israel's bidding 1174 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:46,479 Speaker 1: in the Middle East. And unfortunately that perception and the 1175 01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:51,559 Speaker 1: reality of our intervention in Iraq has consequences that the 1176 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,280 Speaker 1: air of world and the Muslim world, and also of 1177 01:11:55,320 --> 01:12:00,320 Speaker 1: course the American left and the very trans the into 1178 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,480 Speaker 1: in temporary anti war movement. Meaning when there's a republican administration, 1179 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,080 Speaker 1: the anti war, anti war movement is robust. When there's 1180 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,640 Speaker 1: a Democrat administration, all of a sudden it disappears. Uh. 1181 01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:14,160 Speaker 1: But there are consequences to the narrative that we shouldn't 1182 01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,120 Speaker 1: have been in Iraq in the first place, that we 1183 01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:20,200 Speaker 1: were in imperial aggressive power, and that the Iraqi people 1184 01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,479 Speaker 1: didn't want us there. We should have never been there 1185 01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,080 Speaker 1: in the first place. Okay, If if that's going to 1186 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,120 Speaker 1: be the story that we hear, even if it doesn't 1187 01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,160 Speaker 1: reflect the reality of what it meant for the Iraqi 1188 01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:34,240 Speaker 1: people on the ground. Who wants to be the one 1189 01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:39,519 Speaker 1: to order another fifty thousand or a hundred thousand US 1190 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:44,519 Speaker 1: troops not just into harm's way in Syria to destroy 1191 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,280 Speaker 1: the Islamic State, but also then to take on the 1192 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:51,800 Speaker 1: Assad regime, which if it's really about the humanitarian violations here, 1193 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: if it's about saving people from a gruesome and untimely death, 1194 01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,840 Speaker 1: civilians from a gruesome and untimely death, we would have 1195 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,080 Speaker 1: to take action against the Assad regime too. And what 1196 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:04,880 Speaker 1: we learned from Iraq is that if we took action 1197 01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,479 Speaker 1: against the Islamic State and took action against Assad. We 1198 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,679 Speaker 1: and the international community, but the international community always looks 1199 01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,599 Speaker 1: at us to be the pillar that holds the rest 1200 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,560 Speaker 1: of this up. Would be in charge. We would be 1201 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,120 Speaker 1: responsible for security on the streets if there were food 1202 01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:24,080 Speaker 1: shortages or riots or insurgency, as there certainly would be. 1203 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,840 Speaker 1: If we depose the Assad regime VI a force, it 1204 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,160 Speaker 1: would be on us, And once again we'd be in 1205 01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:35,040 Speaker 1: the position of occupiers, and we would have brave nineteen 1206 01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,679 Speaker 1: year olds from Washington State down to Florida and everything 1207 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:43,000 Speaker 1: in between and around walking the streets of Idlib and 1208 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,280 Speaker 1: Damascus and Aleppo and you name it, trying to prevent 1209 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,639 Speaker 1: people who believe that anybody who is a non Muslim 1210 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,880 Speaker 1: in those lands is an occupying, evil doer. We'd be 1211 01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,240 Speaker 1: trying to prevent them from blowing up markets full of 1212 01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:01,920 Speaker 1: people and pretending that somehow that's an act of worthy resistance, 1213 01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,800 Speaker 1: in fact, a holy act of resistance in the name 1214 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,120 Speaker 1: of jihad. We just don't want to do it again. 1215 01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,559 Speaker 1: I know the people who I mean, I know the people, 1216 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,479 Speaker 1: but there are there are millions of them who have served. 1217 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,800 Speaker 1: But I've interacted with enough people who have served at 1218 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,880 Speaker 1: this point and spent time talking about this issue to 1219 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:26,120 Speaker 1: get a sense at least that rebuilding someone else's country 1220 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:31,720 Speaker 1: and providing security for someone else's streets when, especially when 1221 01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,920 Speaker 1: it's especially not clear that we will be greeted not 1222 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:39,559 Speaker 1: just as liberators but as protectors and as h fellow 1223 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,360 Speaker 1: human beings trying to do the right thing. We just 1224 01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,360 Speaker 1: don't want to put ourselves in that position. Again. We 1225 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,400 Speaker 1: shouldn't put our young men and women in that position. Uh. 1226 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,479 Speaker 1: And I think that's an unfortunate reality for the Middle 1227 01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,879 Speaker 1: East now because with this brutal and grinding and seemingly 1228 01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,519 Speaker 1: endless violence in Syria right now, people are turning around 1229 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,639 Speaker 1: saying what can we do? And the answer is it's 1230 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,320 Speaker 1: not what can we do, it's what will we do? 1231 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:11,600 Speaker 1: And it's not very much. This is somebody else's problem. 1232 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,160 Speaker 1: We will help as we can from the outside. We 1233 01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:17,639 Speaker 1: will provide humanitarian assistance as we can. We will support 1234 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,120 Speaker 1: allies and partners in the region and on the ground. 1235 01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:25,000 Speaker 1: But I don't think anyone in this administration or any 1236 01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,760 Speaker 1: administrations in the near future after it are going to say, 1237 01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,800 Speaker 1: you know what, let's get rid of both of the 1238 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:35,840 Speaker 1: evil parties in Iraq, I mean in Syria, with Isis 1239 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,719 Speaker 1: and Assad, and of course then there's Jibbatalus, the Alqaeda affiliate, 1240 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,360 Speaker 1: and there's all there. I mean, once you start to 1241 01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,519 Speaker 1: drill down into this, there are so many problematic groups 1242 01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:51,200 Speaker 1: and vicious tyrants either in charge or waiting to be UM. 1243 01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,160 Speaker 1: But as I said, this is someone else's fight, and 1244 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,960 Speaker 1: this is someone else's problem, and we try to liberate 1245 01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,960 Speaker 1: others in more than one country. In the case of Afghanistan, 1246 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,160 Speaker 1: at least it seems the Afghan people realized earlier on 1247 01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,400 Speaker 1: that we were there as their friends, um and doing 1248 01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,920 Speaker 1: our best for them against the Taliban. In the case 1249 01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:17,799 Speaker 1: of Syria, who knows what they would think. Who knows, UM. 1250 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,679 Speaker 1: But I don't see us stopping this, and I think 1251 01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,680 Speaker 1: when you look at the realistic options to stop it, 1252 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,840 Speaker 1: it would be a large scale US military presence because 1253 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,880 Speaker 1: just bombing from the air isn't going to be enough. 1254 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,320 Speaker 1: You would need to have ground forces there. When you're 1255 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,640 Speaker 1: talking about taking them out of sad. That would not 1256 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,120 Speaker 1: be quick, it would not be easy, and we don't 1257 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,320 Speaker 1: want to pay the price. It is somebody else's fight, 1258 01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,280 Speaker 1: and what we see is that when nobody else is 1259 01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,200 Speaker 1: going to step in any situations, terrible things will continue 1260 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,759 Speaker 1: to happen. The world should be more thankful for America 1261 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,599 Speaker 1: than it is. It's rare that I see anything on 1262 01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,480 Speaker 1: buzz Feed that is enlightening in a work while away, 1263 01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:01,800 Speaker 1: or that I I'm happy that I read. But occasionally 1264 01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:06,759 Speaker 1: they surprised me. And they had this piece out twenty 1265 01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,200 Speaker 1: three movies. You probably didn't know we're based on books 1266 01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,920 Speaker 1: and most of most of the movies they sited in here. 1267 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,960 Speaker 1: Of course I did know, but I have to be 1268 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,000 Speaker 1: honest with you. I'm coming clean with you. Team Number 1269 01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,280 Speaker 1: one on this list of movies you probably didn't know 1270 01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:26,040 Speaker 1: we're based on books was die Hard action movie classic 1271 01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,720 Speaker 1: that I could cite for you, chapter and verse, you know, 1272 01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,759 Speaker 1: after five glasses of tequila at three o'clock in the morning, 1273 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,559 Speaker 1: you name it. Die Hard is like a specialty for me. 1274 01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,360 Speaker 1: And it's based on a book. I had no idea 1275 01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:48,200 Speaker 1: Roderick Thorpe nothing lasts forever um, so I didn't know 1276 01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:52,320 Speaker 1: that I did not know. And the original character is 1277 01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,360 Speaker 1: Joe Leland, not John McLean. So BuzzFeed taught me something. 1278 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,599 Speaker 1: Other books on the list, by the way, Forrest Gump 1279 01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:01,040 Speaker 1: obviously made it the movie Forrest gump. Uh, they listened 1280 01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:05,000 Speaker 1: to Jurassic Park. But everybody knows that um Legally Blonde 1281 01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,439 Speaker 1: was a book first. I was unaware of that, Mrs 1282 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:13,600 Speaker 1: doubt Fire. It was originally Madame doubt Fire that was 1283 01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,720 Speaker 1: a book first. So budsfeed taught me something. Who knew? 1284 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:24,240 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America. Now the Freedom Hut is fired 1285 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:29,000 Speaker 1: up as team Buck assembles shoulder to shoulder, shields high 1286 01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:33,080 Speaker 1: call in eight four four d Buck. That's eight four 1287 01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:38,320 Speaker 1: four to eight to five. I come to the floor 1288 01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,080 Speaker 1: today and support of equal pay for equal work. You know, 1289 01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,599 Speaker 1: I honestly can't believe that we are still arguing over 1290 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:48,160 Speaker 1: equal pay. The effects of this discrimination are real and 1291 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,920 Speaker 1: they are long lasting. Because in the year twenty six, 1292 01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,000 Speaker 1: at a time when we have self driving cars and 1293 01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:59,000 Speaker 1: computers that sit on your wrist, women still make only 1294 01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,479 Speaker 1: seventy nine sense for every dollar a man makes. And 1295 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,759 Speaker 1: we're still standing here in the United States Congress debating 1296 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,360 Speaker 1: whether a woman should get fired for asking what the 1297 01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,559 Speaker 1: guy down the hall makes for doing exactly the same job. 1298 01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:19,800 Speaker 1: The game is rigged against working families, and pay discrimination 1299 01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,679 Speaker 1: is part of that. For women, it's been a one 1300 01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:29,200 Speaker 1: to punch in the gut. I think everything that she 1301 01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,920 Speaker 1: just said is a lie. Um, so we can start. 1302 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:37,400 Speaker 1: We can start there. That was Elizabeth Warren, Senator Elizabeth Warren, 1303 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,759 Speaker 1: who rose to prominence as a professor at Harvard in Harvard, 1304 01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,360 Speaker 1: at Harvard Law School. There very prestigious and elite Harvard 1305 01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:49,400 Speaker 1: Law School. Um, as a person with the j d 1306 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,639 Speaker 1: from Rutger State University of New Jersey, because at least 1307 01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,479 Speaker 1: in part she was a diversity hire and claimed to 1308 01:19:56,479 --> 01:20:00,240 Speaker 1: be Native American, as you know, so we of that 1309 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:05,160 Speaker 1: also loves to talk about the problems of the working 1310 01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:09,920 Speaker 1: class and working families, and herself I think was paid 1311 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,439 Speaker 1: something along the lines of two dollars a year to 1312 01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,200 Speaker 1: teach a class for a few hours a week in 1313 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:18,080 Speaker 1: law school. So to it at the law school. Um, 1314 01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,439 Speaker 1: now that's look, pete. Rich people, I mean people, Donald 1315 01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,760 Speaker 1: Trump's a billionaire's working on. Rich people are allowed to, 1316 01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,760 Speaker 1: of course, and we hope they do help out those 1317 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,760 Speaker 1: who are not as economically fortunate as they are. Unfortunate. 1318 01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:34,679 Speaker 1: By the way, it's a very important word. I don't 1319 01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:39,400 Speaker 1: know anybody who is very rich and we're very successful 1320 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:44,040 Speaker 1: who has not also been lucky. Lucky is essentially I'd 1321 01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,320 Speaker 1: rather be lucky than good. Luck is essential in in 1322 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:51,480 Speaker 1: all things that can be either a success or a failure. 1323 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,600 Speaker 1: And so those who are fortunate, whether born into it 1324 01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,640 Speaker 1: commonplace these days, some of the more prominent politicians we 1325 01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,360 Speaker 1: know of, we're born into health privilege and a famous 1326 01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,800 Speaker 1: last name, or they acquired it of the course of 1327 01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,200 Speaker 1: their lives. You want them to help people, Okay, fine, 1328 01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,599 Speaker 1: But Elizabeth Warren pretends to be all about the struggle 1329 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:15,439 Speaker 1: and all about honesty, and she gamed the system, and 1330 01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,639 Speaker 1: I think says a lot of things that she believes 1331 01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,320 Speaker 1: or she knows to be untrue, but she says that 1332 01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,519 Speaker 1: to people that she also believes to be incapable of 1333 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:31,480 Speaker 1: knowing better. It's very useful tactic of the Democrat progressive 1334 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:36,800 Speaker 1: community organizer slash fire brand. And that's what she's that's 1335 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,800 Speaker 1: what she's doing here on That's right. You guessed it. 1336 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:46,639 Speaker 1: Equal pay Day, which is not something that we should 1337 01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,880 Speaker 1: spend too much time on, except for the fact that 1338 01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:53,000 Speaker 1: one even members of the administration now officially members of 1339 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:58,920 Speaker 1: the administration, are giving this credibility, which I find troublesome, 1340 01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,120 Speaker 1: but all so because it is a lie that will 1341 01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:10,360 Speaker 1: not die and calls for greater equality, or rather exaggerated 1342 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:14,200 Speaker 1: claims of inequality, are the gift that keeps on giving, 1343 01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,840 Speaker 1: that never stops giving for those who want to sow 1344 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:22,760 Speaker 1: dissension and exploit tensions within society, because you're never going 1345 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,040 Speaker 1: to be completely equal. No, no one is ever really 1346 01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,679 Speaker 1: going to be completely equal. You can get equality under 1347 01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,320 Speaker 1: the law, but economic equality, as we saw throughout the 1348 01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:36,320 Speaker 1: course of the twentieth century, true economic equality is one 1349 01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:41,559 Speaker 1: impossible to achieve and too wildly destructive when you try 1350 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,080 Speaker 1: to achieve it. And this was this is where, of course, 1351 01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,840 Speaker 1: as a a conservative in I can say, look at Venezuela. 1352 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,519 Speaker 1: But we don't even have to look at Venezuela right now. 1353 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:54,600 Speaker 1: We can just understand conceptually that true equalities impossible, and 1354 01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,080 Speaker 1: that striving for absolute what I'm talking about economic equality, 1355 01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,680 Speaker 1: not equality of personhood under the all, but economic equality, 1356 01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:06,080 Speaker 1: it's not it's not even a alloudable goal. It's not 1357 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,600 Speaker 1: even a goal we should try to attain because it's impossible. 1358 01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,040 Speaker 1: And if you if you give the government the tools 1359 01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,240 Speaker 1: to do that, well, we already are doing far too 1360 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,320 Speaker 1: much of that with the redistribution of wealth and the 1361 01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,879 Speaker 1: progressive tax code. And the enormous government and the welfare 1362 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:23,920 Speaker 1: state and the entitlement state, and all of the different 1363 01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,519 Speaker 1: ways that government is constant trying to even out the scales. 1364 01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:31,000 Speaker 1: This is destructive for us. It's destructive to our liberty. 1365 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,439 Speaker 1: It makes us less prosperous and more importantly, less free. 1366 01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:40,639 Speaker 1: But Equal pay Day was started back in six by 1367 01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,080 Speaker 1: the National Committee on Pay Equity. That sounds like a 1368 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,400 Speaker 1: that sounds like a fun party. Hey, what are you 1369 01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:48,920 Speaker 1: doing after work? I'm gonna go hang out with the 1370 01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:53,160 Speaker 1: National Committee on Pay Equity. You know, have some Mikhelou 1371 01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:57,640 Speaker 1: Ultra uh so, Yeah, the National Committee on Pay Equity, 1372 01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,240 Speaker 1: And they're there. They were there to highlight the gap 1373 01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,360 Speaker 1: between men or their purpose was to highlight the gap 1374 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,200 Speaker 1: between men and women's wages. So as a result of that, 1375 01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:09,760 Speaker 1: Equal pay Day has been observed in April every year. 1376 01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,200 Speaker 1: As all this is of course a common tactic of 1377 01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:19,080 Speaker 1: a left. This is about raising awareness, which is a 1378 01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,080 Speaker 1: very convenient way of saying, we get to talk about 1379 01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,840 Speaker 1: what we want to talk about whenever, and even if 1380 01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:30,680 Speaker 1: what we say is untrue or exaggerated, or untimely or unnecessary, 1381 01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,920 Speaker 1: any of the above, it's raising awareness. So yea for us, 1382 01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:39,120 Speaker 1: we're just raising We're just like raising awareness man uh 1383 01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:43,800 Speaker 1: or woman, as the case may be. Here. So they 1384 01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:49,040 Speaker 1: have a few problems though on on the yea them 1385 01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,920 Speaker 1: side of things, this is the lie, as I said, 1386 01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:53,880 Speaker 1: that will not die. It is a It is a 1387 01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,120 Speaker 1: zombie lie. However you want to put it. It will 1388 01:24:56,160 --> 01:25:02,080 Speaker 1: not stop that women are as a function widespread, systemic 1389 01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:07,160 Speaker 1: and continuous gender discrimination, women are paid less than men. 1390 01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:11,120 Speaker 1: This goes up there with the minimum wage benefits mostly 1391 01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,080 Speaker 1: poor people and has no ill effects. People think that 1392 01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,840 Speaker 1: wage middum wage very popular, people don't care what the 1393 01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,640 Speaker 1: data actually says. And also that free college would make 1394 01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,760 Speaker 1: the problems of higher education go away, in that it 1395 01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:27,400 Speaker 1: sounds good, and people like things that sound good, and 1396 01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,439 Speaker 1: they want to be nice and helpful, and they want 1397 01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,479 Speaker 1: good things to happen for other people, and so it's 1398 01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:37,559 Speaker 1: just easy to fall into the trap of saying, well, yeah, well, 1399 01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:42,200 Speaker 1: who doesn't want equal pay for Are you against equal pay? No? No, 1400 01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm against equal pay. It reminds me of one of 1401 01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,880 Speaker 1: my favorite television shows that gave us one of the 1402 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:53,400 Speaker 1: greatest TV characters of all time, Ron Swanson. Those of 1403 01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,320 Speaker 1: you unfamiliar with Parks and wreck need to go back. 1404 01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,240 Speaker 1: It's on Netflix. I'm sure you can get it elsewhere too, 1405 01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,400 Speaker 1: but all the seasons around Netflix. Ron Swanson, the libertarian 1406 01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:06,599 Speaker 1: government employee who hates the government fantastic also has a 1407 01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:12,439 Speaker 1: very a a Bolton esque mustache and dare I say 1408 01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:17,280 Speaker 1: buck Sexton esque care But Ron Swanson is is a fantastic, 1409 01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,760 Speaker 1: fantastic character. And side note to all or that's a 1410 01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:23,760 Speaker 1: side note, I'm just saying, why did you watch the show. 1411 01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,920 Speaker 1: There's a group of cultists who every year say the 1412 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,000 Speaker 1: end of the world is coming, and they name them 1413 01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,360 Speaker 1: They named themselves. This is just a quick moment in 1414 01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:35,240 Speaker 1: the show, but they name themselves the Reasonable Lists, and 1415 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,479 Speaker 1: there's a recognition by one of the characters that that's 1416 01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:40,679 Speaker 1: actually brilliant, because well, are you against the Reasonable Lists, 1417 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,280 Speaker 1: You must be unreasonable. Even though every year they think 1418 01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:44,920 Speaker 1: that a like a sea monster is going to eat 1419 01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,719 Speaker 1: them all into the end of the world. That never happens, 1420 01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,840 Speaker 1: and they keep showing up in this park and you 1421 01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,600 Speaker 1: get that that's the gag. But the point is what 1422 01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,519 Speaker 1: you call something or how you speak about something really matters. 1423 01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:59,080 Speaker 1: And to say equal pay for equal work, that is 1424 01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,280 Speaker 1: a chant. And this goes back to Gustave le Bon 1425 01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,680 Speaker 1: and or Labun if you want to americanize it and 1426 01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:10,200 Speaker 1: the way that you can manipulate and excite crowds for 1427 01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:14,680 Speaker 1: political purpose. You want catchy slogans that sound just that, 1428 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,679 Speaker 1: sound right? You know what? Do we want? Good things 1429 01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,920 Speaker 1: when we want them? Now? You know whatever it is 1430 01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,439 Speaker 1: who streets our streets? Whatever that was occupied Wall Street. 1431 01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:26,080 Speaker 1: I used to hear all these chance when I was 1432 01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:27,840 Speaker 1: covering them for The Blaze back in the day, in 1433 01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:32,000 Speaker 1: the early days of the Buck sex and media escapades. 1434 01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:37,280 Speaker 1: So equal pay for equal work, just the phrase itself 1435 01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,760 Speaker 1: makes people want to agree. But the problem is that 1436 01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:44,760 Speaker 1: it's not true. It's not real. And now I can 1437 01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,280 Speaker 1: go into some of the details. This is in a 1438 01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,240 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal article that broke this down using Bureau 1439 01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:53,280 Speaker 1: of Labor Statistics b LS. You look at this and 1440 01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,400 Speaker 1: you say, okay, well, let's start with they They they 1441 01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,840 Speaker 1: start with full time employment, which is defined as more 1442 01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,880 Speaker 1: than thirty five hours. Well, a simple side by side 1443 01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,240 Speaker 1: comparison of all men and all women includes people who 1444 01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,080 Speaker 1: are thirty five hours a week and others who work 1445 01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,080 Speaker 1: forty five men. This from the Wall Street Journal are 1446 01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,880 Speaker 1: significantly more likely than women to work longer hours according 1447 01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,320 Speaker 1: to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and if you compare 1448 01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,200 Speaker 1: only people who work forty hours a week, b L 1449 01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,920 Speaker 1: s A to show the women UH then earn on 1450 01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,439 Speaker 1: average ninety cents for every dollar earned by men. So 1451 01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:28,960 Speaker 1: it's a the comparison drops down dramatically, or rather the 1452 01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,759 Speaker 1: disparity drops down dramatically. They also say the following career 1453 01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:38,720 Speaker 1: choice is another factor. UH. Research by Georgetown University economists 1454 01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:43,320 Speaker 1: back in shows that women flock to college majors that 1455 01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:48,000 Speaker 1: lead to lower paying careers. Of the ten lowest paying majors, 1456 01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,080 Speaker 1: such as drama and theater arts, you mean that's not 1457 01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:52,880 Speaker 1: going to pay me a lot of money or no 1458 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,760 Speaker 1: trauma and theater arts. What about the theater, sir? I 1459 01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:02,360 Speaker 1: dare say, yeah, I mean, look, you know, uh, Romeo 1460 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,120 Speaker 1: and Juliet Shakespeare, all that good stuff. But it's tough 1461 01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,160 Speaker 1: to make a living. I think it's tough to make 1462 01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,320 Speaker 1: a living in media and here I am UH and 1463 01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,400 Speaker 1: counseling psychology. Those are of the ten lowest paying majors. 1464 01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,679 Speaker 1: Those are two of them, um, only one of them, 1465 01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:21,759 Speaker 1: theology and religious vocations, is majority male. So yes, drama 1466 01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,800 Speaker 1: and theater, arts and counseling, psychology not a path to 1467 01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:30,320 Speaker 1: riches than they are female heavy by percentage. More from 1468 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,559 Speaker 1: the journal here. Conversely, of the ten highest paying majors 1469 01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:38,200 Speaker 1: including mathematics and computer science and petroleum engineering, what is 1470 01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,080 Speaker 1: he saying that men go into these things more than women? 1471 01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:44,640 Speaker 1: Seems like a microaggression to me. Only one pharmacy, Sciences 1472 01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,840 Speaker 1: and administration is majority female. Eight of the remaining nine 1473 01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,840 Speaker 1: are more than seventy male. And then, of course we 1474 01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,759 Speaker 1: get into the one area of this where people start 1475 01:29:54,800 --> 01:30:00,200 Speaker 1: to get very aggravated with the other side. Life choy 1476 01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:05,200 Speaker 1: is life choices. Uh. Women often leave the workplace for 1477 01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:08,000 Speaker 1: a period of time to raise their children. By the way, 1478 01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:13,120 Speaker 1: total side note, but fascinating that disproportionately millennial men, my 1479 01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:18,639 Speaker 1: contemporaries and younger want uh a high percentage of women, 1480 01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:22,040 Speaker 1: a higher percentage of women to stay home and be 1481 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:27,000 Speaker 1: moms and help create a family unit than millennial women do. 1482 01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,439 Speaker 1: There's a real disparity here. So my contemporaries on the 1483 01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:37,240 Speaker 1: male mike male contemporaries wants in much larger numbers a partner, 1484 01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:40,439 Speaker 1: a wife or who will stay at home whereas on 1485 01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:42,439 Speaker 1: the female side of things, they're like, no, I'm not 1486 01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. That that's that's a part of 1487 01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,840 Speaker 1: social science that will be fastening to play out in 1488 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:48,800 Speaker 1: the years ahead. But back to life choices here and 1489 01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,639 Speaker 1: equal pay for equal work. What you got Elizabeth Warren 1490 01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,719 Speaker 1: on there, equal pay for equal work. It's like, oh gosh, 1491 01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,040 Speaker 1: we have you hear about this, And it's not just today. 1492 01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,479 Speaker 1: Today is the hashtag day equal pay for equal work. 1493 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,639 Speaker 1: But you'll hear about it all the time they try 1494 01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,320 Speaker 1: to pass laws. By the way, I love this notion 1495 01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:05,920 Speaker 1: that you should be able to ask what your male 1496 01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,040 Speaker 1: colleague should be a demand to know what your male 1497 01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,920 Speaker 1: colleague makes. Um, I would love to know, and I 1498 01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,760 Speaker 1: would have loved to know in many different professions what 1499 01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,559 Speaker 1: my competition or those also up for the same jobs 1500 01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:19,400 Speaker 1: as me make, But I'm not privy to that information. 1501 01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,120 Speaker 1: So while they try to pass a law like that 1502 01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,519 Speaker 1: and it gets shot down, the implication, of course is 1503 01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,880 Speaker 1: that this is somehow sexist, or this is this is 1504 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:34,120 Speaker 1: like pretty patriarchy, man, she's misagynequation, or you're not allowed 1505 01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:37,880 Speaker 1: to know what your colleagues make because let me tell you, 1506 01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,360 Speaker 1: let me tell you a quick story about that. Actually, 1507 01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,439 Speaker 1: when I was when I was at the NYPD UM 1508 01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,760 Speaker 1: second time my m IPD reference today. I was there 1509 01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,639 Speaker 1: in the Intelligence Division as a civilian counter terrorism anatist 1510 01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,160 Speaker 1: assigned to the NYPD in Talence Division, and I remember 1511 01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:54,920 Speaker 1: the day when someone figured out that all of our salaries, 1512 01:31:54,920 --> 01:32:00,360 Speaker 1: are individual salaries were public record out there for anybody 1513 01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:02,200 Speaker 1: with an Internet connection to see. I mean, it wasn't 1514 01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:06,280 Speaker 1: like drawing millions of clicks, obviously, but any someone found 1515 01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:09,040 Speaker 1: this out. I had been there for maybe six or 1516 01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,320 Speaker 1: eight months at the time, and let me I'll ask 1517 01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,400 Speaker 1: you this question before I tell you. Do you think 1518 01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,200 Speaker 1: that knowing the salaries of everybody the exact dollar number 1519 01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:20,840 Speaker 1: of the salaries of everybody in your office? Uh? Lad you? 1520 01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,000 Speaker 1: Lad you harmonious conversations afterwards? You think it was a 1521 01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,400 Speaker 1: morale booster? Or do you think that it turned into 1522 01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:32,439 Speaker 1: a scene from Gladiator? Uh you know, before Maximus takes over. 1523 01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was like it was a 1524 01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,800 Speaker 1: melee in there. It was bad stuff. People were not 1525 01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:42,280 Speaker 1: happy about it, and what we all came to see 1526 01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,960 Speaker 1: was that there were some people who just for the 1527 01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:48,920 Speaker 1: same position. But you could negotiate salary. There's a salary 1528 01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,479 Speaker 1: range were either able to based on their credentials or 1529 01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:57,120 Speaker 1: just through sheer negotiating and bravado get considerably better salaries 1530 01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,400 Speaker 1: than other people. And it wasn't a male female breakdown. 1531 01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:01,920 Speaker 1: It was a you know, who came to the table 1532 01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,639 Speaker 1: with what and who demanded what breakdown. But man, that 1533 01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:07,639 Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that people have demanded 1534 01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,400 Speaker 1: now for equal pay for equal work is that you 1535 01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:12,200 Speaker 1: can ask what your male counterpart makes in a job. 1536 01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,080 Speaker 1: But as I'm saying, the reasons that that hasn't become 1537 01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:20,920 Speaker 1: law are not that there are there's this evil group 1538 01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:26,000 Speaker 1: of of old men sitting behind in some smoke sitting 1539 01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,600 Speaker 1: in some smoke filled room, behind closed doors, trying to 1540 01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,599 Speaker 1: oppress women. It's because being able to demand to know 1541 01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:34,080 Speaker 1: the wages of all of your colleagues and a private 1542 01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:37,120 Speaker 1: sector setting is a recipe for strife and disaster in 1543 01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:41,719 Speaker 1: the workplace. It seems fitting that Elizabeth Warren, who started 1544 01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,240 Speaker 1: out our segment at the top of the hour on 1545 01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:48,720 Speaker 1: equal pay Day, Equal work for equal pay by Elizabeth Warren, 1546 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,559 Speaker 1: voice of my Hilary voice are the same. So just 1547 01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:55,160 Speaker 1: get used to that um. But she has her own 1548 01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,720 Speaker 1: pay gap because her staffer female staffers. According to Free 1549 01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,439 Speaker 1: Beacon here had to free Beacon nut come, female staffers 1550 01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:05,320 Speaker 1: made seventy one percent of male staffers salaries in twenties sixteen. 1551 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,000 Speaker 1: So like that's a big gap. Like what's that all about? 1552 01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:13,920 Speaker 1: Someone explained that to me. Plays thank you. Um. Also, 1553 01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,160 Speaker 1: we might have text of the healthcare bill with the 1554 01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:21,840 Speaker 1: GPS trying to revive I'm seeing here reporting including from 1555 01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:25,680 Speaker 1: the Huffington Post. Ariana Huffington no longer there. We might 1556 01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:26,800 Speaker 1: have to have a visit. Do you guys don't know? 1557 01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,240 Speaker 1: Do you remember Ariana Huffington's used to be the Huffington 1558 01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:34,240 Speaker 1: Post ceo, Ariana Huffington explaining politics to all your come Americans. 1559 01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,600 Speaker 1: I think she's technically a citizen now, but I'm just 1560 01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:38,559 Speaker 1: saying she's or she was a citizen for a long time. 1561 01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:42,439 Speaker 1: Pardon me, but she wasn't born here. She's a funny accent. Um. 1562 01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:46,640 Speaker 1: Where was I on this? Oh? Yes, uh, I was 1563 01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,760 Speaker 1: going to Oh yes, the healthcare bill. It should be 1564 01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,799 Speaker 1: coming out at eight thirty. It should be coming out 1565 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:57,080 Speaker 1: at eight thirty. Uh so we may have some breaking 1566 01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:58,840 Speaker 1: news for you on that. But We've also got a 1567 01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:00,840 Speaker 1: call in here that's been uh. We want to take 1568 01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,880 Speaker 1: for a bit, John a Mississippi w BUV. John. How 1569 01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:08,880 Speaker 1: you doing, Hey, Buck? I want you to know I'm 1570 01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,160 Speaker 1: a fan of yours, just in case you have any doubt. 1571 01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:15,960 Speaker 1: You're doing very well. Thank you. I appreciate that. Please 1572 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,519 Speaker 1: tell your friends we let's get more people down in 1573 01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:23,120 Speaker 1: Mississippi's w BUV listening. And I did tell my friend 1574 01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,559 Speaker 1: I have one print and I told him, okay, I 1575 01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,800 Speaker 1: I want to recommend a very good read, very enjoyable read, 1576 01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:32,800 Speaker 1: and to be enlightening. I believe your audience Ben be 1577 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:37,120 Speaker 1: intrigued to read an article about Ben Rhodes, who is 1578 01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:42,439 Speaker 1: the uh He's right directly under Susan Rice, and Susan 1579 01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:47,799 Speaker 1: Rice is directly under Barack Obama. Ben Rhodes UH probably 1580 01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:49,360 Speaker 1: knew he was going to be out of a job 1581 01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,280 Speaker 1: in the summertime, and he had his friends in the media. 1582 01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,880 Speaker 1: But right what is called a fluff piece about him 1583 01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:58,760 Speaker 1: kind of bragging. He wanted to show the world what 1584 01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,200 Speaker 1: an important person he are. You referring to the Ben 1585 01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:04,360 Speaker 1: Rhodes iran twenty year old journalists who don't do anything 1586 01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:09,720 Speaker 1: Echo Chamber piece. Uh uh no, no, I'm not. I'm 1587 01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,040 Speaker 1: not even aware of that article. Oh yeah, that's that's 1588 01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:14,240 Speaker 1: quite that's quite a piece. So sorry this you're talking 1589 01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:18,120 Speaker 1: about another one? Tell me about this one? Okay? Well no, uh. 1590 01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:23,240 Speaker 1: The title has the words in it aspiring novelist, and 1591 01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,640 Speaker 1: it's about Ben Rhodes. And it was written in the 1592 01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:29,320 Speaker 1: New York Times Sunday edition a couple of months ago. 1593 01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:33,800 Speaker 1: And that's something I don't remember the date it might 1594 01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,439 Speaker 1: have been in. It might have been in December, but 1595 01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:41,320 Speaker 1: it's Sunday edition of the New York Times. And it's 1596 01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:46,920 Speaker 1: the part of the title is aspiring novelist. Yeah, this 1597 01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:51,479 Speaker 1: is from May. This is from May five. Uh and 1598 01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,120 Speaker 1: and and and and it is the art Just so, 1599 01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:54,880 Speaker 1: just so you know, my friend, it is the article 1600 01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,280 Speaker 1: I asked you about, We created an echo chamber. He admitted. 1601 01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,679 Speaker 1: They were saying things that validated what we had given 1602 01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,240 Speaker 1: them to say. That's about the press and how Ben 1603 01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,320 Speaker 1: Rhodes was leaving them all the one conclusion. So, yes, 1604 01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:06,000 Speaker 1: it is that piece. It was New York Times piece 1605 01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,040 Speaker 1: back in May. So you're just telling people to go 1606 01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,519 Speaker 1: read it is interesting, yes, yes, yes, yes, if you're 1607 01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:16,479 Speaker 1: intrigued about Susan Rice and what goes on He uh 1608 01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:20,320 Speaker 1: Many Rhodes has the title had the title of uh 1609 01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:24,439 Speaker 1: in charge of Strategic Communications, and all he is is 1610 01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:27,880 Speaker 1: a writer of fiction. He was definitely a National security 1611 01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,760 Speaker 1: advisor for strategic communications. Um. But yes, and need John, 1612 01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,680 Speaker 1: please thank you for calling in, and please have your 1613 01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,160 Speaker 1: your friend that you mentioned, Colin is well sometime Shields High. 1614 01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,479 Speaker 1: We are gonna get on the phone here in a 1615 01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,679 Speaker 1: couple of minutes with my friend Sean Davis of the Federalist. 1616 01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,439 Speaker 1: We're just gonna rundown of his thoughts on some of 1617 01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,320 Speaker 1: what we've we've already hit on. And uh, it's always 1618 01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:50,559 Speaker 1: good times to have Sean here in the Freedom Hunt. 1619 01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:51,960 Speaker 1: And then I'll have to tell you about some Willie 1620 01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,880 Speaker 1: Mammoth's what's that? Oh, I'll tell you Stay with me, 1621 01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:02,120 Speaker 1: Bug Sexton with America. Now are the Freedom Hut is 1622 01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:05,879 Speaker 1: fired up? As Team Buck as symbols shoulder to shoulder, 1623 01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:11,000 Speaker 1: shields high. Call in eight four four d Buck. That's 1624 01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:17,200 Speaker 1: eight four four to eight to five. All. Welcome back, everybody. 1625 01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:20,120 Speaker 1: We are joined by our friend Sean Davis. He is 1626 01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:23,760 Speaker 1: co founder of the Federalists. We appreciate having him with 1627 01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:26,200 Speaker 1: us now making some time for us. Sean, thanks for 1628 01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:30,040 Speaker 1: giving us a ring, Thanks for having me so your 1629 01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:37,120 Speaker 1: reaction to specifically the uh Susan Rice interview today on MSNBC, 1630 01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,120 Speaker 1: I watched it live. I just want to say, what 1631 01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:42,000 Speaker 1: were you thinking and saying to yourself as this played 1632 01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:46,160 Speaker 1: out on National TV today? I watched it and was 1633 01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:48,800 Speaker 1: shocked that she had agreed to do it and that 1634 01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,080 Speaker 1: she gave the answer she did because she went into 1635 01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:55,080 Speaker 1: that interview in a pretty big hole already, given what 1636 01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:58,040 Speaker 1: we know about what the Obama administration did, and rather 1637 01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:01,360 Speaker 1: than trying to get herself out, she dug herself and 1638 01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:05,599 Speaker 1: her Obama administration colleagues in even deeper. Now. We've obviously 1639 01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,040 Speaker 1: been talking about this quite a bit on the show, 1640 01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:10,120 Speaker 1: but I want your take on why things Why she 1641 01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:13,439 Speaker 1: made things worse? Specifically, where where did she either UH 1642 01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:18,599 Speaker 1: leave openings or create more problems for those who believe 1643 01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:22,400 Speaker 1: that she's done something really really wrong here, not necessarily legal, 1644 01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:26,080 Speaker 1: but something wrong. Well. Two weeks ago on TBS, she 1645 01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:30,639 Speaker 1: was asked by Judy Woodruff about allegations from Congressman Nunez 1646 01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:35,080 Speaker 1: that Trump people had been caught up in Obama administration 1647 01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:39,559 Speaker 1: surveillance that people were unmasked, and uh she said no, 1648 01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,840 Speaker 1: she knew nothing about that. That was two weeks ago. 1649 01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:45,920 Speaker 1: And then today she wanted went on MSNBC and rather 1650 01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,280 Speaker 1: than sticking to that story, which I think we all 1651 01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:51,719 Speaker 1: knew was false, she went in and then said, yeah, 1652 01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:55,639 Speaker 1: there was incidental collection and uh, yeah, we unmasked people. 1653 01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:58,360 Speaker 1: Um so right there, she's already admitted that she's a 1654 01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,680 Speaker 1: liar because she's contradicting for from two weeks ago number one, 1655 01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:05,040 Speaker 1: the number two. Her denial of the new stuff was 1656 01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:09,880 Speaker 1: a highly possible and caveated, Oh no, no, no, I 1657 01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:14,080 Speaker 1: didn't do anything improper and it wasn't done for political reasons. Okay, well, 1658 01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:16,360 Speaker 1: then you admitted that it was done. I mean, steth, 1659 01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,040 Speaker 1: she went from a case two weeks ago where she 1660 01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:22,320 Speaker 1: knew nothing about any of this to thirteen days later, 1661 01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:24,800 Speaker 1: magically she knows a lot about it, and she knows 1662 01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,840 Speaker 1: that it was all totally above board. I'm sorry, that's 1663 01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:31,559 Speaker 1: not credible. And also it seems to me that she 1664 01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:35,320 Speaker 1: is establishing we could perhaps call it the Susan Rice standard, 1665 01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:39,880 Speaker 1: but she is establishing a precedent here whereby a national 1666 01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:42,680 Speaker 1: security figure who has the access, who has the the 1667 01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:48,080 Speaker 1: legal authority to apply discretion here to get information in 1668 01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:52,439 Speaker 1: intercepted communications about US persons and to have the real 1669 01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:55,880 Speaker 1: identity of those US persons shared with the with that 1670 01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,960 Speaker 1: national security individual, and then, as we've seen from the 1671 01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:03,080 Speaker 1: reporting on the Obama illustrations, change in policies disseminated more 1672 01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:06,400 Speaker 1: broadly than was the case in the past, or at 1673 01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:10,320 Speaker 1: least there seems to be that possibility. But curiosity now 1674 01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:14,040 Speaker 1: would be enough under the just basic discretion standard. If 1675 01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:15,920 Speaker 1: it's just up to her or up to any national 1676 01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:19,080 Speaker 1: security advisor. Oh gee, I don't know whoever works for Trump, 1677 01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:22,120 Speaker 1: Trump himself, it would seem could just say that, well, 1678 01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:24,719 Speaker 1: you know, I thought I needed to know that because 1679 01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:27,880 Speaker 1: I because it would give me more information based on 1680 01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,920 Speaker 1: what was in the report initially. Okay, So I guess 1681 01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:33,840 Speaker 1: that's the standard now, I just wanted to know. Well, 1682 01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,839 Speaker 1: she she created a big problem for herself there as well, 1683 01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:41,759 Speaker 1: because something cannot be requested to be unmasked. In this case, 1684 01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:46,120 Speaker 1: the identity is you know, innocent private citizen Americans unless 1685 01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:49,240 Speaker 1: it was first masked. So we know that it was masked, 1686 01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:52,280 Speaker 1: and the reason it was is because the intelligence agency 1687 01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:56,479 Speaker 1: UH that collected and produced that information decided that it 1688 01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,760 Speaker 1: was not of intelligence value. So it got to her 1689 01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:02,880 Speaker 1: in those masks, and then she decided on her own 1690 01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:07,960 Speaker 1: that it was of very important non political intelligence value. Well, 1691 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,000 Speaker 1: by all means, Susan, tell us how you came to that? Well, 1692 01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:13,080 Speaker 1: this is what I mean. She she offered nothing at 1693 01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:17,240 Speaker 1: all today about In what universe? Let's just say that 1694 01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,639 Speaker 1: the report today in the Wall Street Journal, the most 1695 01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:22,040 Speaker 1: recent one that I've seen, is true that she asked 1696 01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:26,640 Speaker 1: for an unmasking of a Trump associated official after the election. 1697 01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:30,360 Speaker 1: In what universe is she coming up with a rationale 1698 01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,920 Speaker 1: for that? That she would then also be unwilling to 1699 01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:37,320 Speaker 1: at least discuss somewhere somehow, maybe behind closed doors on 1700 01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:39,920 Speaker 1: the how on the Hill in committee. But she's got 1701 01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,400 Speaker 1: to you, how could she come up with a rationale 1702 01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:45,320 Speaker 1: for this? I don't see it. Well, the problem here 1703 01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,640 Speaker 1: really isn't the unmasking. In my view, by itself, the 1704 01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:52,439 Speaker 1: unmasking is just, you know, kind of irrelevant. The problem 1705 01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:55,000 Speaker 1: for her is that it is part of a very 1706 01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:59,080 Speaker 1: deliberate pattern of behavior from the Obama administration. They tried 1707 01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:01,360 Speaker 1: to get named by to warrants on Trump people and 1708 01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,559 Speaker 1: they failed. So then they just magically ended up collecting 1709 01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:08,400 Speaker 1: these conversations of these Trump people incidentally, and they just 1710 01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:10,960 Speaker 1: happened to need the names of these people, and that 1711 01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:14,120 Speaker 1: information just happened to be disseminated throughout the federal government, 1712 01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:17,400 Speaker 1: and then that information just happened to be illegally leaked 1713 01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:22,840 Speaker 1: to highly selective political reporters with ties to the Obama administration, 1714 01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,960 Speaker 1: and then now just happened to be used to concoct 1715 01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:30,519 Speaker 1: this gigantic smear campaign with no evidence against the Trump people. 1716 01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:33,200 Speaker 1: So the unmasking by itself is not a problem. The 1717 01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:37,240 Speaker 1: unmasking in the continued lies from the former apparatrics from 1718 01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:40,680 Speaker 1: this administration are the real problems here. And the unmasking 1719 01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:44,360 Speaker 1: and Susan Rice's lies about it proved that they know 1720 01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:46,719 Speaker 1: they did something wrong, and that's why they're being forced 1721 01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:49,519 Speaker 1: to lie about. I also think it's fascinating to watch 1722 01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:53,360 Speaker 1: as this plays out, Uh that you you have the 1723 01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,479 Speaker 1: media reporting for months now, well you know, we have 1724 01:43:55,600 --> 01:44:00,200 Speaker 1: sources inside the intelligence community who have been saying sing 1725 01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:03,120 Speaker 1: that there are all these terrible contacts, that there's there 1726 01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:07,479 Speaker 1: are communication intercepts of Trump people speaking to Russians, and 1727 01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:10,439 Speaker 1: it's just also about and terrible. And now finally you 1728 01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:14,000 Speaker 1: have some journalists, some commentators, and the American people, at 1729 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,679 Speaker 1: least some of the American people turn around and saying, oh, 1730 01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:21,000 Speaker 1: so you have surveillance of Trump associates. That's quite interesting. 1731 01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:22,800 Speaker 1: And now they go, oh, what are you talking about? 1732 01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:25,559 Speaker 1: We we would never Well, which is it? It can't 1733 01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,680 Speaker 1: be both, that's right. I mean two weeks ago, she 1734 01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:32,040 Speaker 1: excusan wries that she knew nothing about Trump officials being 1735 01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:36,040 Speaker 1: swept up in uh surveillance, But now she's an expert 1736 01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:39,000 Speaker 1: on knowing that it was all proper, And she became 1737 01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,639 Speaker 1: an expert despite having no access to White House files 1738 01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:45,680 Speaker 1: or security clearances or anything for the last thirteen days. Uh. 1739 01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,280 Speaker 1: The reality here is that there are two competing narratives. 1740 01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:52,000 Speaker 1: One is that uh Trump with some sort of Manchurian 1741 01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,800 Speaker 1: Russian candidate, a stude for Putin who is colluding the 1742 01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,639 Speaker 1: whole time illegally against the better interests of the American people. 1743 01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:01,960 Speaker 1: The other one is that the Obama administration was improperly 1744 01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:05,400 Speaker 1: spying on Trump and then illegally disseminating and leaking that 1745 01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,920 Speaker 1: information to journalists and I'll tell you, the evidence for 1746 01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:13,719 Speaker 1: the latter of improper Obamas spying and leaking is so much, 1747 01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:16,599 Speaker 1: so much higher. There's so much more of it than 1748 01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:19,040 Speaker 1: there is for the Trump Russian area. Well, there there 1749 01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:22,440 Speaker 1: is some as opposed to zero, So that's a good places. 1750 01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:24,599 Speaker 1: There israel evidence as opposed to on the other side, 1751 01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:27,559 Speaker 1: we still have zero. I I have fellow conservative Sean 1752 01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:29,600 Speaker 1: there's any mean, you just don't see it, Buck, And 1753 01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,639 Speaker 1: I'm like, what do I not see? I'm still waiting 1754 01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:35,080 Speaker 1: for that. What am I supposed to see here? You know, 1755 01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:38,320 Speaker 1: it's not like I'm suggesting that Trump doesn't occasionally say 1756 01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:40,479 Speaker 1: We're not even occasionally say things. I'm like, well that 1757 01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,920 Speaker 1: wasn't good or I wouldn't agree with that, but selling 1758 01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:45,680 Speaker 1: at your country being a trader for the Russians, Uh, 1759 01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,439 Speaker 1: I still would just like one data point. I keep 1760 01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:50,519 Speaker 1: asking the same question, what is a data point that's 1761 01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:52,320 Speaker 1: supposed to convince me of this? And it's not there? 1762 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,599 Speaker 1: But you connected the dots. I think Verious Stuteley on 1763 01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:58,240 Speaker 1: the other side of all of this, and I just 1764 01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:02,400 Speaker 1: think that the media's reticence, which we've also discussing on 1765 01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,400 Speaker 1: the show, to connect the dots on this at all. 1766 01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:09,360 Speaker 1: In fact, they initially last night were completely Susan Rice 1767 01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:11,600 Speaker 1: didn't think that this was such a nothing burger that 1768 01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:13,200 Speaker 1: she didn't feel the need to go on TV and 1769 01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:16,200 Speaker 1: talk about it. But last night, initially I saw people 1770 01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:18,719 Speaker 1: going on CNN and I saw people that are writing 1771 01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:22,639 Speaker 1: about this in the mainstream media. This there's nothing, it denied. 1772 01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:26,280 Speaker 1: It's a it's a distraction. It's uh, it's it's a joke. 1773 01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:30,000 Speaker 1: Almost well, it's really not, is it. What the CNN 1774 01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:33,240 Speaker 1: coverage last night today was just an absolute embarrassed I mean, 1775 01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:37,680 Speaker 1: for starters. They tasked Jim Shudo, who was one of 1776 01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:41,720 Speaker 1: Susan Rice's co workers. It's the Obama State Department. They 1777 01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:45,880 Speaker 1: worked under the State Department together, and they tasked him 1778 01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,439 Speaker 1: to get an anonymous claim from someone close to her 1779 01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:51,720 Speaker 1: that nothing was improper. Jim and I know each other. 1780 01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:53,599 Speaker 1: I asked him to come on the show today no dice, 1781 01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,200 Speaker 1: and we we had a back and forth. We know 1782 01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:58,639 Speaker 1: each other, we actually went the same high school, and 1783 01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:00,680 Speaker 1: I was like, look, man, I do think that this 1784 01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:02,519 Speaker 1: is not okay and we should talk about it. And 1785 01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:05,280 Speaker 1: he has not yet accepted my very free and fair 1786 01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:07,280 Speaker 1: invitation to bring him on air. Just as a side 1787 01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:10,000 Speaker 1: note to everybody, Um, there, there, there, you have it. 1788 01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,719 Speaker 1: But Sean, I also want to ask you about what's 1789 01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:17,000 Speaker 1: going on with with gorcitch this. You worked on the Hill, 1790 01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:20,200 Speaker 1: you understand the ins and outs of this. It seems 1791 01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:22,400 Speaker 1: to me like there's really no discussion or debate here. 1792 01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:26,240 Speaker 1: It's very straightforward. Get the Democrats are still clinging to something. 1793 01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what exactly what what is their argument 1794 01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:33,120 Speaker 1: at this point? Um, yeah, there's a lot going on there. 1795 01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:36,400 Speaker 1: So uh, let's back up and just look at the situation. 1796 01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,840 Speaker 1: Republicans have the votes to confirm Gorsis, they don't have 1797 01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:43,800 Speaker 1: the votes to overcome the sixty filibuster. Democrats are just 1798 01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:46,760 Speaker 1: fit to be tied that they never got Merrick Garland in. 1799 01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:51,440 Speaker 1: They're angry, their bases demanding blood, and they have apparently 1800 01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:54,519 Speaker 1: decided that they have no choice but to filibuster Gorcih, 1801 01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:58,400 Speaker 1: which I just find to be irrational madness, because what's 1802 01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:02,200 Speaker 1: going to happen here is if they don't filibuster him, 1803 01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:06,240 Speaker 1: he's going to get confirmed. And if they do filibuster him, 1804 01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,360 Speaker 1: McConnell will do the nuclear option and he will be confirmed. 1805 01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:11,920 Speaker 1: So there's no way for him to stop his confirmation. 1806 01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:15,600 Speaker 1: But what killing the nuclear option or killing the filibuster 1807 01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:19,200 Speaker 1: now does for them is it eliminates the Democrat options 1808 01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:24,040 Speaker 1: when the next Democrat justice retires or passes away, because 1809 01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,639 Speaker 1: I can envision a world where the filibuster still exists 1810 01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:30,200 Speaker 1: because they were lined on gorstch and Trump is forced 1811 01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:32,679 Speaker 1: to put in somebody who's, you know, really pretty moderate. 1812 01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,680 Speaker 1: He's got to get blue state moderate Republicans to go 1813 01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:38,080 Speaker 1: along with it. I'm not sure McConnell is going to 1814 01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:42,800 Speaker 1: have the votes for Ruth Bader Ginsburg replacement to do 1815 01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,519 Speaker 1: the nuclear option, but if they make him do it now, 1816 01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:49,200 Speaker 1: they'll get whoever they want when that seed opens up. 1817 01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:52,360 Speaker 1: It is just irrational madness from them to do this, 1818 01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:55,000 Speaker 1: but they're going into it at first, right so that 1819 01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:58,400 Speaker 1: they would be smarter strategy for them. And let's let's 1820 01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,439 Speaker 1: just put aside all the hypocrisy on what they said 1821 01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:02,479 Speaker 1: in the past, because we know we're talking about we're 1822 01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:04,800 Speaker 1: talking about Chuck Schumer here, everybody, let's not expect there 1823 01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:08,200 Speaker 1: to be any uh any real honesty or integrity in 1824 01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:11,680 Speaker 1: this process. But just from a pure Democrats strategy point 1825 01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:14,560 Speaker 1: of view, I think, Sean, is it fair to say 1826 01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:16,640 Speaker 1: that if you were hired and then just just go 1827 01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:18,959 Speaker 1: with me on this, if you are hired to advise 1828 01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:22,240 Speaker 1: the set of Democrats on how to proceed here, you 1829 01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:25,480 Speaker 1: would advise them that from from a power politics perspective, 1830 01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:29,960 Speaker 1: pushing so that Gorcitch gets through only via the nuclear option, 1831 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:34,240 Speaker 1: the elimination of filibuster is is highly unwise. I think 1832 01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:37,080 Speaker 1: it is just I think it is so stupid. This 1833 01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:39,839 Speaker 1: is a guy who's rated highly qualified by the American 1834 01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:43,679 Speaker 1: Borrow Association. He was unanimously confirmed at the appellate level. 1835 01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:48,040 Speaker 1: Pretty much everyone says he's reasonable qualified with the great temperament, 1836 01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:53,120 Speaker 1: and he's replacing Scalia. His appointment to the court doesn't 1837 01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:56,280 Speaker 1: change anything on the court. And yet they're gonna come 1838 01:49:56,280 --> 01:50:00,759 Speaker 1: out and throw away their ability, throw aways or leverage 1839 01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:04,160 Speaker 1: on the next vacancy over someone who most people think 1840 01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:06,600 Speaker 1: is totally reasonable, who they don't have any power to 1841 01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:11,160 Speaker 1: stop anyway. It is so shortsighted. They are shooting themselves 1842 01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:13,200 Speaker 1: in the foot in the long term when it comes to, 1843 01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, keeping their own people on the court. But 1844 01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:18,760 Speaker 1: but on the flip side, the only way this is 1845 01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,920 Speaker 1: good for them is if they're looking even longer term 1846 01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,479 Speaker 1: and saying, you know what, we're going to get control again. 1847 01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,000 Speaker 1: And just like Harry Read's nuclear option led to this one, 1848 01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:29,920 Speaker 1: this one will give us a pretext to kill the 1849 01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:33,720 Speaker 1: legislative filibuster in five or ten or fifteen years. So 1850 01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:35,920 Speaker 1: you know what, we'll just wait on that and once 1851 01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:38,240 Speaker 1: that's gone, we can do whatever we want. Do you 1852 01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:41,240 Speaker 1: think that the assumption here maybe that over the long term, 1853 01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:45,960 Speaker 1: Democrats just want to eliminate all of the procedural checks 1854 01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,920 Speaker 1: from the legislative side of things, because they will be 1855 01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:50,720 Speaker 1: as we saw it with Obamacare. By the way, and 1856 01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:52,920 Speaker 1: Republicans have still really upset me on this so far. 1857 01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:55,479 Speaker 1: They will they will go all the way and nothing 1858 01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:57,439 Speaker 1: twice about it when they have the ability to do so. 1859 01:50:57,479 --> 01:51:00,920 Speaker 1: They don't care about bipart bipartisanship, They don't care about 1860 01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:06,040 Speaker 1: the institutions and the and the legacy uh thereof when 1861 01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:08,639 Speaker 1: they're pushing for these things, they will just go one 1862 01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:11,040 Speaker 1: hundred all the way as soon as they can. Whereas 1863 01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:14,360 Speaker 1: Republicans still have this, you know, handwringing over some of it. 1864 01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:16,400 Speaker 1: I think they have some handwringing over the nuclear option, 1865 01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,879 Speaker 1: over corset, which is insane to me. Well, see, I'm 1866 01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:22,479 Speaker 1: actually one of the handwringers on the nuclear option. I 1867 01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:25,320 Speaker 1: think it is a terrible idea. It's destructive to the Senate, 1868 01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:28,080 Speaker 1: which means it's destructive of the nation as a whole. 1869 01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:31,400 Speaker 1: I think the Senate currently designed is very valuable. It 1870 01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:37,280 Speaker 1: prevents majoritarian hysteria from taking over American governance. Number one. 1871 01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:40,760 Speaker 1: Number two, they can confirm him without doing this. There 1872 01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:44,120 Speaker 1: are narrower, yet more time consuming ways to do it 1873 01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:48,240 Speaker 1: that don't require them to absolutely kill the filibuster outright. Unfortunately, 1874 01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:52,240 Speaker 1: I think a lot of members of Republican leadership secretly 1875 01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:54,080 Speaker 1: would like to get rid of the filibuster because they're 1876 01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:57,040 Speaker 1: sick of conservatives. You think it against them, um. And 1877 01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,280 Speaker 1: then also I think a lot of them were actually 1878 01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:01,280 Speaker 1: pretty lazy. I don't think they want to stick around 1879 01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,000 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks debating, exhausting the debate, and 1880 01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:07,200 Speaker 1: then confirming. I think they're lazy. They want to get 1881 01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:09,160 Speaker 1: it done and they want to go home. By the way, 1882 01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:12,960 Speaker 1: to any thoughts sewn on equal pay Day which is 1883 01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:18,120 Speaker 1: today for those listening, Oh gosh, I mean it's a 1884 01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:20,960 Speaker 1: day based on a garbage statistic to make people feel 1885 01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:24,280 Speaker 1: good about themselves, the statistic being that you know, women 1886 01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:27,880 Speaker 1: are paid only seventy on the dollar for the same job, 1887 01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,719 Speaker 1: the same work that men do. And I'd say, well, look, 1888 01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:33,000 Speaker 1: if you think that's true, and if you think men 1889 01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:37,280 Speaker 1: are really that greedy to pay women who deserve more 1890 01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:41,679 Speaker 1: or less, um, why wouldn't I just hire all women? Yeah? 1891 01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:45,240 Speaker 1: The true capitalist would would be a complete sexist in 1892 01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,720 Speaker 1: favor of women if they were doing exactly the same 1893 01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:51,880 Speaker 1: work at the same level for what less pay. Yeah, So, 1894 01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:53,680 Speaker 1: I mean that's a no brainer. I would do that. 1895 01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,200 Speaker 1: Personnel costs for a lot of businesses are the single, 1896 01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:59,479 Speaker 1: by far, the single largest expense. So you're gonna get 1897 01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:03,240 Speaker 1: a twenty on edge of your rivals who wouldn't do that? Yeah, audios, bros, 1898 01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:07,439 Speaker 1: I'm getting race today. Uh. It's just so silly. It 1899 01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:11,720 Speaker 1: ignores so many things. It's been debunked so many times. Um, 1900 01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:15,400 Speaker 1: but yet it persists because people have to invent the 1901 01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:19,479 Speaker 1: various reasons why things are the way they are. Sean 1902 01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,160 Speaker 1: Davis is the co founder of The Federalist. Checkout his 1903 01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:25,800 Speaker 1: latest on the Federalist dot com. Sean always appreciate you 1904 01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:29,160 Speaker 1: stopping by the freedom Hutzir come back soon. Always fun 1905 01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:32,439 Speaker 1: to be here. Thank you Bucks. By the way, there's 1906 01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:39,719 Speaker 1: some updates on healthcare, though nothing particularly pressing. Uh tonight, 1907 01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:43,439 Speaker 1: I'm just look at this, Members of Congress. It's almost 1908 01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:46,680 Speaker 1: nine Eastern and they're still trying to do stuff. Do 1909 01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:50,719 Speaker 1: they get over time? I'm so shocked. But we're hearing 1910 01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:54,639 Speaker 1: from a Fox a Fox News reporter that even if 1911 01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:57,680 Speaker 1: things this is what Chad Pergram moves, a Fox News 1912 01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:59,960 Speaker 1: reporter tweeted out, even if things start to come together 1913 01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:04,040 Speaker 1: tonight on healthcare, there's only a thirty percent chance they 1914 01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:08,599 Speaker 1: vote this week. So they, it seems, are in the 1915 01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:16,240 Speaker 1: process of resurrecting the GOP Healthcare Bill, the American Healthcare 1916 01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:19,439 Speaker 1: Act may get a second act at least that's based 1917 01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:22,080 Speaker 1: on the reporting we see now. So breaking news, but 1918 01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:26,280 Speaker 1: not like, oh my gosh, you know this is huge 1919 01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:30,800 Speaker 1: just healthcare. We're gonna be talking more about it. And 1920 01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:35,280 Speaker 1: speaking of resurrecting things, let's talk about William Mammoths. So 1921 01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:39,680 Speaker 1: my college has become one of those schools. Amherst College, 1922 01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:41,080 Speaker 1: where I went to school, for those of you are 1923 01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:44,160 Speaker 1: curious or care up in Massachusetts, one of the schools 1924 01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:47,760 Speaker 1: where the mascot became a point of contention because well 1925 01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:50,520 Speaker 1: he was. He was a war hero to the British. 1926 01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:56,000 Speaker 1: He was a British baron, Jeffrey Amherst, first Baron Amherst 1927 01:54:56,720 --> 01:55:00,520 Speaker 1: during the Seven Years War. He was part of the 1928 01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:05,120 Speaker 1: conquest of Canada for the British against the French. Um. 1929 01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:10,080 Speaker 1: But he also said some nasty things about the Native 1930 01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:13,280 Speaker 1: Americans and smallpox and if I remember the quote, quote 1931 01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:20,360 Speaker 1: reducing their number. So you had this this unofficial, uh, 1932 01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:24,560 Speaker 1: British mascot for the college, although there was the Jeffrey 1933 01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:28,440 Speaker 1: Amherst in on campus and they felt that they had 1934 01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:34,400 Speaker 1: to change it. Um, and they did, Uh, they did. 1935 01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:42,720 Speaker 1: And the change is to the Willy mammoths. That's my 1936 01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:45,280 Speaker 1: William mammoth uist. Who can tell me I'm wrong? Willy 1937 01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:47,760 Speaker 1: mam is a bit extinct for a long time. Oh 1938 01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:52,560 Speaker 1: what's up science? But yeah, the Amherst College mascot is 1939 01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:58,280 Speaker 1: now officially the mammoth. So giant elephant. There you have it. 1940 01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:02,080 Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna be happy. No more cries of the mascot 1941 01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:07,760 Speaker 1: created genocide or anything like that. Uh. The only in 1942 01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:10,760 Speaker 1: this case, um, I don't see p DA getting too 1943 01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:13,600 Speaker 1: upset about this, But anyway, Willie Mammoth's everybody embers college 1944 01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:16,720 Speaker 1: is what we got now. So I'm a mammoth everyone. 1945 01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:20,760 Speaker 1: That's right. You're listening to a mammoth on radio shields 1946 01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:21,000 Speaker 1: high