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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. Schmilk Meadow. You on the

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Speaker 1: phones two on one, nine, four five one three, folks,

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Speaker 1: no guests today. We figured we should give you a

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Speaker 1: full sixty minute program to get your reaction to the

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Speaker 1: biggest offseason event of the year, the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eighteen NFL Draft. So here's how we'll do this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we already got a full bank of calls. At least

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Speaker 1: we got a full bank of calls ringing. You can

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Speaker 1: still get him even screen anybody yet. Um, we will

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Speaker 1: do a quick analysis of our thoughts on the draft. One.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go too long because we want to get

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Speaker 1: to your calls. So lands, let me start with this

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Speaker 1: big picture first before we kind of give a little

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Speaker 1: thumbnail on each guy going into the draft. Multiple people

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Speaker 1: send me mock drafts on Twitter that all, what do

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Speaker 1: you think about this combination of guys? This combination of guys,

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Speaker 1: and I would many times answer, well, guys, I don't

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Speaker 1: know bo Hernandez will be there at thirty four. I

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Speaker 1: think that's much a little bit of a stretch. It's possible.

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Speaker 1: I don't Lorenzo Carter, No way he's there in round three.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be a second round pick. And then for

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Speaker 1: even bigger picture perspective, I expected Kylo let It to

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Speaker 1: go in the second or third round based on how

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Speaker 1: Quarterbasket over drafted and and and things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: So I think four or three of the four Giants

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Speaker 1: picks and rounds two, three, and four all got drafted

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Speaker 1: later than I thought they would, which means the Giants

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Speaker 1: got pretty down good value where they picked the player.

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Speaker 1: And then b J Hill, who I didn't do much

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Speaker 1: because Tomlinson, Damon Harrison, Oop's mistake, my bad. He was

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Speaker 1: in the top fifty for a lot of people and

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Speaker 1: they got him around three. So overall, I thought the

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Speaker 1: Giants the way the board fell to them allowed them

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Speaker 1: to pick some very good players. And that's the only

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Speaker 1: way you can look at the draft. At this point,

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Speaker 1: you can't grade the draft. You need three or four

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Speaker 1: years before we truly know whether or not this class

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Speaker 1: is going to provide an immediate impact or a long

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Speaker 1: term impact. So at this point, the only way to

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Speaker 1: evaluate a draft classes. This is not just for the Giants. John,

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Speaker 1: This is for everybody. You look at where a player

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Speaker 1: was ranked before the draft, you look at their skill set,

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Speaker 1: and then you compare it to where the team got

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Speaker 1: that player and what player maybe got picked before that correct.

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Speaker 1: So when you hear what Dave Getleman had to say

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Speaker 1: and what you just laid out, considering most of these

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Speaker 1: I think that's really good, solid value. I also think

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Speaker 1: it speaks volumes of Dave Gettlman, at least the way

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Speaker 1: he went about this draft is its value, value and

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Speaker 1: value as opposed to, well, maybe we need a corner

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Speaker 1: There's a few corners on the board. Yeah, but these

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Speaker 1: corners we don't have rated very high. So what's the

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Speaker 1: purpose of us taking a corner? And every GM will say, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna pick the best available. But here everybody

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Speaker 1: say that, but it's nonsense, you know, just to look

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Speaker 1: at some of these drafts. The Redskins desperately needed a

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Speaker 1: running back, so they drafted Darius Guys. Cowboys needed a linebacker,

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Speaker 1: drafted Michael Gallup. So you go down the list and

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Speaker 1: teams will draft more for need. I mean, for example,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens. Do you really think that they're tight end?

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Speaker 1: They picked in round one the highest rated player on

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Speaker 1: and I think they got a lot of good players.

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Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily think a tight end was necessary in

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Speaker 1: the first round. I agree, And they picked another tight end,

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Speaker 1: Mark and Mark Andrews later on in the draft, and

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Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst was there. The name escaped me for a moment.

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Speaker 1: But so look, teams will draft for need. Even Jerry Reese,

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Speaker 1: so happened. I was the best guy on the board.

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Speaker 1: Oh but you really needed a running back, songs big

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Speaker 1: David Wilson. Great. So look, teams do draft for need.

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Speaker 1: But and again that's why I was fooled heading into

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Speaker 1: this lance. And then you know, we'll get to the

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Speaker 1: rest of the things here. Dave Gentleman spoke truth. You know,

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Speaker 1: over the last three weeks. He said a few different things. One,

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Speaker 1: you draft for value, which is exactly what they did.

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Speaker 1: They picked the best player regardless of position. Otherwise you

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Speaker 1: and affecting the quarterback. Every single draft pick he made

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Speaker 1: in this draft, spare Kyle Loletta, had to do with

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Speaker 1: So Dave, you know that it's called lying season. Dave

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Speaker 1: Gentleman didn't do much lying in those press conference. He

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Speaker 1: was He didn't give away the house or anything, but

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Speaker 1: he was pretty honest and what he his goals weren't

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Speaker 1: what he was gonna do. Well. It's also easy to

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Speaker 1: say that you're picking the best player available because unless

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Speaker 1: the media and the fans know what the board looks like. John,

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Speaker 1: you can say that about anything. Hey, we had this

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Speaker 1: guy rated higher. And let's be honest, if you ask

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Speaker 1: very very very very So that's why it's not ridiculous

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Speaker 1: for an executive to come out in a press conference

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Speaker 1: because clearly it's not gonna be the same way that

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Speaker 1: the Redskins set up their board. Are the Cowboys, are

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Speaker 1: for that message to get across. But you're looking at

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Speaker 1: a lot of these prospects had players ranked versus where

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Speaker 1: building the team that way in Carolina too. So he

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Speaker 1: has now transferred those principles over to how he's trying

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Speaker 1: a hell of a lot about the Hogmali's and I

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Speaker 1: I mean, he did take Christian McCaffrey in the first

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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley. We've had to debate and nauseam running back quarterback,

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Speaker 1: We know it lands. The good thing about this is

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Speaker 1: matter what the other guy does, all right, So I'm

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Speaker 1: not worried about that. But to me, this gets back

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Speaker 1: to what we talked about earlier real quick. The reason

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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley rated as by far their highest player on

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Speaker 1: every board is different. And to me, you know, when

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Speaker 1: Mayfield was the highest rated quarterback on their boards, on

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Speaker 1: Barkley always was, to your point, the top guy overall

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Speaker 1: Whereas you love sat Kwan Barkley and you think he

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Speaker 1: could have a huge impact on the team. By the way,

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Speaker 1: no matter who the hell the quarterback is, John, whether

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Speaker 1: how these quarterbacks developed. But to me, it's not so simple, John,

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Speaker 1: and Robert Thomas. They want to have a rotation of

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Speaker 1: guys here so somebody is always fresh. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: Geentleman who pointed that out because he kept bringing up

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Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, Fletch of Cox, Chris Long. I mean, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, the Eagles had a mammoth group of guys

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Speaker 1: that kept fresh throughout the course of the game. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Shorts didn't have to worry about it. I

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Speaker 1: think McIntosh in the in the base defense, I think

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Speaker 1: he's more of a defensive end in the three four

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Speaker 1: based than a defensive tackle. Well. I think Hill is

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Speaker 1: probably more than nose tackles. Well, just from looking at them,

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Speaker 1: I think McIntosh was known as more of a penetrator

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Speaker 1: than Hill in terms of getting to the quarterback a

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Speaker 1: little more. Their sack numbers don't drop off the page.

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Speaker 1: They both had single digit sacks over the course of

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Speaker 1: their careers. So I agree with you there. You know,

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Speaker 1: Hill was the nose tackle at NC State, primarily lined

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Speaker 1: up over the center. McIntosh moved around a little bit more,

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Speaker 1: so I could definitely see that. I think what's also

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Speaker 1: interesting about both of these players in particular that jumped

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Speaker 1: out to me from watching them, John very effective in

447
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Speaker 1: getting their hands up and deflecting passages. It's not getting

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback. Now, that doesn't mean it's gonna transfer over.

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Speaker 1: But also utilized on special teams. They've had some block

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Speaker 1: kicked opportunities. So that's what I think also probably was

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Speaker 1: appealing to both of these process because let's face it,

452
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Speaker 1: when you pick some of these guys leading the rounds

453
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Speaker 1: like a McIntosh, he's gonna have to play special teams.

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Speaker 1: It's not necessarily automatically gonna be starting day one. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: that's the reaction of Lance and I And let's get

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Speaker 1: yours at two one, nine, nine four or five one

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Speaker 1: three hashtag giants chat on Twitter. I'll try to keep

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Speaker 1: an eye on that as well. We got a full

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Speaker 1: bank of calls, so let's see who's first up. And

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Speaker 1: I don't have my caller sheet up here. Let me

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Speaker 1: see hold on one second, I'm getting it up. This

462
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Speaker 1: is my fault. I know, I'm prepared. I'm a joke.

463
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Speaker 1: I have it up. If you'd like to cheat here

464
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Speaker 1: now it's to a Now it's up. You should have

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Speaker 1: said up earlier. I mean i'd like to see you

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Speaker 1: squirmish well I scormed, all right, let's go to Manton,

467
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Speaker 1: Rhode Island. He's been holding the longest. What's up, Matt Mountain. Well,

468
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Speaker 1: don't bad, don't don't worry about it. I don't even

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Speaker 1: had the calls up, so don't feel bad. Yeah, both

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Speaker 1: of you want prepared. Yes, yes, um, great, great coverage

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Speaker 1: over the weekend. Thank you the entire trap. That's um.

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Speaker 1: Good luck to you these next few months. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the hell you're gonna talk about. Plenty to

474
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Speaker 1: talk about. Trust me, you guys will keep us busy.

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Speaker 1: I'll be listening. Um. You know, overall it was this

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Speaker 1: was it my ideal draft. Now I was being in

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Speaker 1: the in the in the trade doown camp, um, just

478
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Speaker 1: because of the value of the position. But all that,

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Speaker 1: all that that stuff is over now. A lot of

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Speaker 1: you can do. That was look at the team and

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Speaker 1: where it stands now with with what they have, and

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Speaker 1: I think they did a good job kind of bolstering

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Speaker 1: the physicality of the team. One of you said it earlier.

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Speaker 1: Everything was kind of besides the little letter pick was

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Speaker 1: running the ball and was stopping the run or getting

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Speaker 1: after the past or so you know, those are those

487
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Speaker 1: are kind of the three staples of football. One thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, you guys are younger as you get around

489
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Speaker 1: my age. Analytic guys, how do you feel about Gettleman

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Speaker 1: kind of crapping I'm the whole idea of analytics. Well,

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Speaker 1: he didn't crap on analytics. He mad he he he

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Speaker 1: for lack of a petter word, he challenged the idea

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Speaker 1: that the running back position doesn't have value. That is

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Speaker 1: specifically what he kind of had a had a concern with.

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Speaker 1: And I understand the perspective from from from from this

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Speaker 1: side of the equation. Yes, looking at the numbers, the

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Speaker 1: actual process of running the football doesn't tend simply by

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Speaker 1: the math to impact points scored and winning or losing

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Speaker 1: like the passing game does. Look, that's mathematics. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to refute that. But Barkley, for one, affects the passing

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Speaker 1: him as a receiver. But more importantly, and I think

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Speaker 1: this is Gentleman's point. And even the guys are pro

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Speaker 1: football focused. We had on a couple weeks ago, we

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Speaker 1: asked him this question and they said, yeah, John, you're right,

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Speaker 1: there's no way to calculate what the presence of a

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Speaker 1: player like a Barkley like Ezekiel Elliott, like a Todd Gurley,

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Speaker 1: like at Adrian Peterson. What effect their mere presence on

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Speaker 1: the field has on a defense and defensive coaches in

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Speaker 1: terms of what personnel they put on the field, where

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Speaker 1: they put them, and how that affects how the defense

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Speaker 1: plays the offense. Like what's the effect of having an

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Speaker 1: eighth man in the box on the Giants passing game?

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Speaker 1: They don't have a way to calculate that effect yet.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's why gentleman doesn't believe in the

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Speaker 1: devalue of a running back position, because he believes the

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Speaker 1: presence of the running back on the field can help

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Speaker 1: your team in so many more ways, just as compared

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Speaker 1: to just looking at the numbers in the rushing yards column.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's how he looks at and even

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Speaker 1: people that invest in analytics, you appreciate the call man.

521
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Speaker 1: Good stuff can only be appreciated, can only be a

522
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Speaker 1: complementary piece to everything else that you look at. The

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Speaker 1: eye test is an extremely important facet of evaluating a player.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can only get bottled down in the

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Speaker 1: numbers so much so you know you look at se

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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley and you also realize that he's more than

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Speaker 1: a running back, So he doesn't even fit necessarily under

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Speaker 1: the umbrella John of being the typical running back in

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Speaker 1: the shelf life of x amount of years that they

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Speaker 1: normally last, because you're gonna use them as a receiver,

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Speaker 1: you may use them on special teams and so forth.

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Speaker 1: So you know, not everybody can be neatly put under

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Speaker 1: one category. So that's why I don't even think Barkley

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Speaker 1: is worthy of just describing and talking about under that

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Speaker 1: running back umbrella. He's a weapon. Yeah, so the weapon.

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Speaker 1: So if you just then look at the analytics of

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Speaker 1: running backs, does that do justice to a guy like

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Speaker 1: s Kwan Park? And that was my point, and that's

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Speaker 1: what I think Gettoman was also I agree hinting at

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to get completely off topic because

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Speaker 1: you know how the NBA is my favorite subject. But

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Speaker 1: you know, the Sixers have been a very analytical team.

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Speaker 1: Now they're first reaping the benefits of maybe bringing in

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Speaker 1: guys who fit whatever analytics they were studying. Took a

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Speaker 1: long time for all those analytics to start to yield results.

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Speaker 1: The Houston Rockets have also been a very analytical team

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Speaker 1: because of Darryl Morey, their general manager, team that loves

548
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Speaker 1: to shoot the three ball. Rockets don't have a lot

549
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Speaker 1: of trophies that I've seen lately. So analytics can only

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Speaker 1: get you so far. As my point, remember two, I

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Speaker 1: think the sixers too. You know the analy in the

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Speaker 1: n b A say shoot the three. Their best player

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Speaker 1: can't hit a three point shot of his life dependent

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Speaker 1: on it. Sevens You can't. Yeah, I mean he's young.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if he developed shot over time. But they

556
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Speaker 1: figured out that you can win in different ways, you

557
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I think that's the point

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make it. And again that's why Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Focus. Even though they had I think they had

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Speaker 1: Barkley is their eleventh player on their big board, they

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Speaker 1: still had him as the first round pick. Despite the

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Speaker 1: analytics on the running back because of the stuff you

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Speaker 1: can't calculate, but more important, his ability in the passing game.

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Speaker 1: Um he had again he is a weapon in the

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Speaker 1: passing eight folks. Let me. I'm gonna bring this up

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Speaker 1: for a second year because I have I have a

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Speaker 1: few numbers out that I can't bring up here. I'm

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Speaker 1: not logged into the server, but a game today, he

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Speaker 1: had I believe eight or nine catches of twenty and

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Speaker 1: more yards. Last year he had fifty catches from within

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Speaker 1: six yards, more than ten yards per reception. And his

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Speaker 1: ability to make big plays. The Giants have struggled on

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Speaker 1: the ground making big plays this entire year, uh, the

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Speaker 1: the entirety of the last half decade. And I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: give you a couple of numbers on his big play

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Speaker 1: a billion lands, because I think it's really really stark.

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Speaker 1: The Giants in the last five years, starting in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and thirteen, these are their runs of twenty and

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Speaker 1: more yards. Okay, two thousand thirteen, four fourteen, four, fifteen, eight, sixteen, seven,

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Speaker 1: seventeen eight. Barkley in nineteen rushes of twenty yards and

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Speaker 1: wars a sophomore fourteen is a junior, okay. And I

582
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Speaker 1: didn't have a great offensive line, by the way too.

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Speaker 1: Through the air, he made big plays as well, as

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Speaker 1: I mentioned. Last year he had fifty last two years

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Speaker 1: of Penn State, he had fifteen catches of twenty and

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Speaker 1: more yards. This isn't a checkdown guy. This is the

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Speaker 1: guy who will split out wide. He can run slot

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Speaker 1: receiver routes. We had James Franklin is head coach on

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Speaker 1: the other day and he said, we would run picks

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Speaker 1: for him, he'd run picks for other guys. We'd get

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Speaker 1: him up field in isolation situations you can motion him

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Speaker 1: out of a backfield, and that kind of tells you

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Speaker 1: what defense the defensive is running because if a guy

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Speaker 1: follows him as man, if they don't have zone, it

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Speaker 1: kind of passes things onto you. So those are the

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00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: types of impacts I think that people don't realize, but

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Speaker 1: general managers and coaches can really appreciate on the ability

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Speaker 1: to shed tackles John even when it looks like the

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Speaker 1: play is going to break down, to find a way

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Speaker 1: to wiggle out of it and gain additional yardage after contact.

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Speaker 1: All of those things play a role in terms of

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Speaker 1: big playmaking ability. Last year Lands he had three four

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Speaker 1: ten rushes of over forty yards the last two years okay,

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Speaker 1: and receptions of three six receptions of forty and more

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Speaker 1: yards last year. Here he catches a forty three yards,

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Speaker 1: forty six yards, eighty five yards, and forty two yards.

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Speaker 1: That's not a dump down guy. That's a big play guy, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, analytics, According to the analytics big plays

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Speaker 1: in the NFL do impact, winning and losing and scoring

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Speaker 1: points an awful lot. And Barkley is a big play guy.

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Speaker 1: Back to the calls, Let's go to Jimmy and Rose

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Speaker 1: Hill up in the Bronx. What's up, Jimmy, how are

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Speaker 1: you? You You had a Fordham player drafted yesterday? How about that? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And uh? And the offensive tackles signed a free agency

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Speaker 1: contract with the with the text the kid out of

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Speaker 1: Staten Island by Anthony Coyle. So, uh, yeah, it's good

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Speaker 1: to be a Ram fan, that's for sure. And to

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Speaker 1: be a Giant fan absolutely. I called last week. Lance

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Speaker 1: might remember I'm the guy I am, I am, I'm

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Speaker 1: a worshiper of George Young. I mean I've been around

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Speaker 1: long enough and around this the earth cools this, Paul.

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Speaker 1: Uh So like a little way back to no. I

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Speaker 1: remember that phone call. What's there, Jimmy? Yeah, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: So m Anyway, in evaluating the draft, uh, Lance, I

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Speaker 1: think it was you that was you know, it was

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Speaker 1: talking about it earlier in terms of in terms of

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Speaker 1: players and and just you know, the overall impact and

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Speaker 1: sometimes you just have to take a guy, and I

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Speaker 1: think Balkley falls into that category of deal watch enough football.

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Speaker 1: There's lots of good players out there, but every now

631
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Speaker 1: and then some kid comes across to the screen that

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00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: just jumps out. He flashes. You see him all the time.

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Speaker 1: And I remember one thing George said back to the

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Speaker 1: one draft, there were twenty teams at the time. He

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Speaker 1: said said, thank god, he said, twenty four twenty eight

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Speaker 1: teams had Lawrence Taylor absolutely far and away best player

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Speaker 1: in the draft. He said, thank god. Of the four

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Speaker 1: that the New Orleans Saints was one of the four

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Speaker 1: that didn't agree. I think Barkley, I think Barkley falls

640
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: into that category. They only the one other thing too

641
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: about about the team in the structure is a real

642
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: good chance uh that when the start, when they when

643
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: the offensive line takes the field, there'll be five news starters.

644
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: And when you think about what what what gentleman said

645
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: when he came in in terms of addressing the offensive line,

646
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: that's addressing the offensive line if you've got five new starters.

647
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: So uh. And I'd looked at this kid Wheeler at

648
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: right tackle, I wouldn't I wouldn't fall asleep on him.

649
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: He I think he played enough last year to the

650
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: show that he's an option. I mean, yeah, they also

651
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: have Adam BUSINESVANTI don't forget they drafted him. There's a

652
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: few guys that certainly could be in the mix, and

653
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers too, depending on what happens with him. So

654
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean, those are three young guys that they could

655
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: very well use to compete at the right tackle spot.

656
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: But I think you do bring up an excellent point, Jimmy,

657
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: that you know, I didn't necessarily think that there was

658
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: potential for all five starting offensive linement to change, but

659
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: now that we look at it on paper, it is

660
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: very possible they enter week one of the two thousand

661
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: eighteen season with completely new players in every single position. Yeah.

662
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean it was Joe's starting center last year at

663
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: first game of the year, or didn't he come in

664
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: during the season, Yeah, because rich Burg was placed on

665
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: i R later in the season, so it was thought

666
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: the year at center. Yeah. Right, So so there, so

667
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: there you go. You know, your two guards left tackle

668
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: it and unless Flowers, you know, when's the job at

669
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: right tackle. There'll be five new starters. There will be.

670
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: But even even if Flowers is starter, you're still changing

671
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: his position, So you're essentially still changing the five spots

672
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: to you. They revamped it. You know, they revamped the

673
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: entire offensive line, which everybody said we had to do

674
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: and and this man, this man did it. So I'm optimistic.

675
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: I guess still the law letter pick um, you know

676
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: you wonder about. But then you guys brought up a

677
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: great point the Steelers, if you could emulate an organization

678
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, how they operate. And you

679
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: mentioned the fact which I didn't realize, the Steelers addrafted

680
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: to potential guys and and we're following the same blueprint

681
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: and it makes sense. So give two middle rounders and

682
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: and we'll see. So I'm happy. Um. Can't wait for

683
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: the season the start. And uh, every time I listened

684
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: to you guys, I learned something new. And thank you

685
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: to appreciate, appreciate the let me get folks. They didn't

686
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: not draft a quarterback because at Davis Webb. They didn't

687
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback because they liked Barkley better and he

688
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: was amoral, highly graded player on their board. They liked

689
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: Davis's Webb, but why not have look. Ron Wolf used

690
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: to say, draft a quarterback every year, and you hope

691
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: will in sticks right, That's how we went for Brett

692
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: far Darren Rodgers. Not a bad strategy, all right, Two five,

693
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Speaker 1: one three. Let's go to Kevin in Orlando. Kevin, what's up, pal, Hey,

694
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: I've got guys. I want to help you guys out

695
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: because I want fans to know Dave Gentleman has forgotten

696
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: more about football than any of us have ever known,

697
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: or we'll hope to know. People need to pump the

698
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: brakes before and I'm not generally people have been pretty

699
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: positive about what they've done. But if people can think like,

700
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: oh I know better, or they did this was bad,

701
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: or they're stupid or whatever, they got to realize that, like,

702
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: we're just fans. We don't know anything really. At the

703
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: end of Kevin, Kevin, I get it. But at the

704
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: same time, you're a fan. Everyone has the right to

705
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: their opinion. That's why it's fun, that's why we're here.

706
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: But also another thing, the point of Dave Gentleman has

707
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: doubt gotten us players at left tackle, linebacker, and running back,

708
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: and those are the best players this team has had

709
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: in about twenty years at each of those respective positions,

710
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: three positions that fans have been screaming about for about

711
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: that long, and in one off season. He's already done

712
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: that well. I mean I would have dismissed branded Jacobs

713
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: and a mod Bradshaw. I mean those guys were fairly

714
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: productive the last time overall talent. I'm not saying warn't

715
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: we had bad players, but far and away I think

716
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: the best player at those respective positions. If you want

717
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: to qualify like that, I don't disagree with you. I'm

718
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: not sure how much better soldiers and say, you know

719
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: David Deal or Pedigree in their primes. I think he's better,

720
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm not quite sure that's a grand slam.

721
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: But you make a good point, no argument, We're on board.

722
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: I want to piggyback also to what you got about

723
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: about the positional value, where I get that, but at

724
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: the end of the day, all that matters is how

725
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: many rings do you have. Position of value is great

726
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: to mold and the guide and how you should build

727
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: a team, but it's not a ricked rule that can

728
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: never be broken. And the perfect example is what you

729
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: guys you can't quantify when you have Barkley on the field,

730
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: where if you had Nick Chubbins instead, do you have

731
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: another guy in the box because Barkley is there because

732
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: you know you don't know what he's gonna do with him.

733
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: With Nick Chubb, you're like, mo, likely he's gonna run it.

734
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: No offense to Nick Chubbers say, but I'm saying you

735
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: can't quantify those types of things. Everyone wants to look

736
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: at a PFF score or box score and just say, oh,

737
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: we're paying this guy too much. That's poppy cock or hogwash.

738
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: If you prefer Dave Gedlan later, that's true with the

739
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: hog Molly hogwash storyline. Yes, sure. And the last thing

740
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: I want to say is I'm finally excited now because

741
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: I'm forty five years old, that this team will be

742
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: able to run the ball on third and two and

743
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: third and three. No more of the Eli Manning jump

744
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: all down the sidelines to fifteen yards, which drove me

745
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: absolutely bonkers. Kevin Ken, I want to warn you a

746
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: little bit, Sae Kwon Barkley is not going to be

747
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: your short yard. It's bash. I'm just warning you. That's start.

748
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm aware of that. But MS can run behind this

749
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: offensive line though, Kevin, hold on, hold on, hold on.

750
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: The offensive lineman isn't The offensive line is improved. Okay,

751
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: let'st I checked they don't. They don't have one pro

752
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: bowler on the entire lot. Let's let's okay, punk the

753
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: brakes a little bit on that. Okay, okay, but but well,

754
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: but Kevin and absolutely listen, the line has changed on paper,

755
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: it's improved, but we have yet to see these guys

756
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: on the field. You gotta put things in perspective and

757
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. And even though there are new names,

758
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: you know, this group has yet to mold, has yet

759
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: to build chemistry with one another. So you know, let's

760
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: see what happens. But certainly Dave Gentleman came and evaluated

761
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: the roster. He realized he needed to improve that. He's

762
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: done that so much better. It's much better than it was.

763
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: How good it's gonna be off the wait and find

764
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: that's that's a beauty. That's why, folks, that's why we

765
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: all love sports. Do you know why? Eventually the guy's

766
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: lineup and you find out what happens, and the proof

767
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: will be in the pudding and all this talk. You'll

768
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: find out who's right, who's wrong, and how everything goes down.

769
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: That's why sports is fun. The other thing I wanted

770
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: to bring up, just related to the quarterback position. And

771
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: another team, by the way, the Chargers Philip Rivers also

772
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: in the Eli Manning draft class. Car Del Jones is

773
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: his backup who was acquired in a trade with Buffalo,

774
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: and he was a mid to late round pick sixth

775
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: or seventh. I think it was a fifth round. Actually, yeah,

776
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: I can look it up. And then they just sign

777
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: They just signed Geno Smith. So do the Chargers have

778
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: a guarantee successor for Philip Rivers right now? It's not.

779
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: The Steelers don't have a guaranteed successor of Ben Roethlisberger.

780
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: We're an agreement there. The Giants don't have a guaranteed

781
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: successor for Eli Manning, meaning it's up in there. So

782
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: all three of those teams. My point is, you have

783
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the same age bracket and every single team.

784
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: How about you Brees, Drew Brees another girl about Tom Brady? Yes, Brady,

785
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: those are two you. Basically I tweeted out those five teams.

786
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm just going over the top man, Drew Brees is

787
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: backups are even more entered. Yes, there's a guy, Taysom Hill.

788
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: You don't end. Apparently Payton loves Tasteom Hell, that's what

789
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: I hear Sean Paynton loves him, but he's not drafted

790
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: fore agent unless he's Tony Romo. Yes. So the point

791
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: is you have five quarterbacks on the same age bracket.

792
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: Not one team could say they know what's going to

793
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: happen when those guys hang it up. So how are

794
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: the Giants are in uncharted territory? That's my question? How

795
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: are they on an island and everybody else is all

796
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: set when those respective quarterbacks retired? Market New York said it, Mark,

797
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: what's up? Thal? Oh my god, guys, you guys are

798
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: so great. Thank you. I don't even have much You

799
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: guys need to have to do much talk. And that's

800
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: where I just want to hear you guys speak. This

801
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: is such a great I'm going to talk to you

802
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: guys at this moment. Don't go nuts. I would like

803
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: I know you could go nuts off. This would be

804
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: real quick for me. I like to thank the old

805
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 1: regime for all of the offensive weapons that we still

806
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: have them. I have to thank. I'd like to thank

807
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: Um the gym now for all the moves that he's aid.

808
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: I'm glad he didn't give up on Eli. I love

809
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: the old line. I love every draft pick um. I

810
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: also believe that this is a pass of the torch

811
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: in the way, like this is not Eli's team anymore.

812
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: But that's not an insult because when I've seen with

813
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: all the moves that we made, I had this gut

814
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: feeling about it reminded me of the Elway. Now, I'm

815
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: not comparing Eli and Elway because Eli had already won

816
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: ships where Elway had to wait. I'm saying to the

817
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: point where you know what, you didn't have to pass

818
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: it to win it? Right now that in that sense

819
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: and act saying that this is just personally out to Flowers.

820
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: Mr Flowers, I'm please please come in and play right

821
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: tackle for me this old line. You will be smiling

822
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: that all those roles you had brother when the old

823
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: line was terrible is not your fault. You were twony

824
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: years old. You literally if Beattie was there is no

825
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: telling what we would have looked like. Do you know

826
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: Eli hasn't even seen an old line? What Eli is

827
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: the erol person of the old seven version? Like that

828
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: was the old line we needed, the decense we needed.

829
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: Eli didn't know how to check into a run or pass.

830
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: He was still young then that two thousand and eleven

831
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: season when we didn't have a run game. But Eli

832
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: I knew how to check and do what he had

833
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: to do. Ladies and gentlemen, this is death for those

834
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: years to combine. In my opinion, I love you guys

835
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: man than all right, Mark, you say, easy woo buddy,

836
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna talking to you than you fan of the show.

837
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's overrating us a little bit,

838
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: but that's okay. Well, he brought up Will beat I

839
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: love the phone call, and then he brought up Will

840
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: Beaty and then h look who's on the phone line.

841
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: We'll get to him. Yeah, that's the unfortunate tease of

842
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: the program. By the way, right now, Charlie is like

843
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: foaming at the mouth. He's like, oh my god, somebody

844
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: else mentioned will beati. I don't know what to do

845
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: with myself. But anyway, getting back to the point, nor Mark, no, no,

846
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: Mark said, you don't have to just throw the football.

847
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: It daisily. So the top ten teams in rushing yardage

848
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: per game last year, it's the who's who of who

849
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: made the playoffs, John, That's who it is. The two

850
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: teams that were in the Super Bowl, the Eagles and

851
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: the Patriots. The Eagles were third in the NFL last

852
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: year in rushing yards per game. The Patriots were tented,

853
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: So I don't want to hear that. You know, well,

854
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: it's a past happy league. Quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. No, you

855
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: pound the football you're gonna get in. Jacksonville was number one.

856
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: They made it to the a f C Championship game.

857
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: Carolina was fourth, made it to the playoffs. Saints were fifth.

858
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: They made it to the playoffs. The Bills were six.

859
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: They made it to the Plass Minusesota Vikings were seven.

860
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: They made it to the NFC Championship game. Eighth was

861
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: the Rams, they made it to the playoffs. Ninth was

862
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. They made it to the playoffs. The Patriots,

863
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, and the only team in that top

864
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: ten that didn't with the Cowboys, who finished second in

865
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: seven though they finish borderline playoff team. I mean, Elliott

866
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: doesn't get suspended. That's the difference. Maybe the analytics people

867
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: would argue that, well, those teams have leads in game,

868
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: so they're running the ball more late and they have

869
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks and that allows the running a to succeed.

870
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: But that goes to Dave Gettleman's belief in the importance

871
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: of running the football. And that's why, remember, folks, what

872
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: analytics are. And look, I have a lot of respect

873
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: for min A Lanceta' stupid. They're a piece of the

874
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: pie here. Okay, you put the numbers into a formula,

875
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: and the formula tells you, you know, how effective a

876
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: certain thing might be or what the impact of that

877
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: certain thing might be. But a human still creates that formula.

878
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: So maybe the formula isn't done properly, you know what

879
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: I mean. So these things aren't in stone. I think

880
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: they're important. I think you look at him as a piece,

881
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: But I do think there is a lot of anecdotal

882
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: evidence that suggests that running the football might be more

883
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: important than what the analytics say. And again, Barkley is

884
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: more than that. He's not just here as a runner.

885
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: If you were just picking a runner. Yeah, Darius Guys

886
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: is fine, Ronald Jones is fine. Those guys might even

887
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: be better pure runners than Barkley. But he does so

888
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: much else, which is why it makes a little bit

889
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: of a difference. Well, and the other thing I'll add

890
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: to that is to the last Kohler's point, he was

891
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: referencing when the Giants won Super Bowls in OH seven

892
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: and eleven. The common theme, John, if you recall, is

893
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: inconsistency throughout the season and running the ball. But once

894
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: the playoffs started, more than eleven than seven. Yeah, okay,

895
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: I'll give you because Bradshaw had some nice games down

896
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: the stretch, but eleven things didn't register with that running

897
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: game until the playoffs. Came the worst running team in

898
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: the league. So so the point is there's ways to

899
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: counter that. But when you get to the playoffs, if

900
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: you don't run the football, good luck, it's hard luck.

901
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: And I actually liked his Lway comparison from trying to

902
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: win at the end of Elway's career by giving him

903
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: to all Davis giving him help on defense doesn't have

904
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: to do quite as much. I think that is the

905
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: formula looking forward with Eli Manning. Now that's it where

906
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to you know, Eli doesn't have to

907
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: carry the team like he did in eleven. And by

908
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: the way, Eli did not carry the team at OH seven,

909
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: but he did carry the team in two thousand eleven.

910
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: They won that Super Bowl because of the job Eli

911
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: and that passing game did. That's what got them into

912
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: the playoffs. That's what got them to the super Bowl.

913
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: Even though they didn't scored ton of points against the

914
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: nine Ers or in the super Bowl, the reason they

915
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: got there was because of that passing game. He liked

916
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: the best year of his career. Okay, he's not gonna

917
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: have to do that now, Okay, the same way Lay

918
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: could do it from time to time, but didn't have

919
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: to in those final two years of Denver. So I

920
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: actually think that was a pretty good comparison. Yeah, I

921
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: mean I would even throw in Peyton Manning with the

922
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: Broncos to I mean, with what they leaned on with

923
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: the running game and the defense in his final year. Yes,

924
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: the year they got correct, correct, but the final year

925
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: it was a paint. And we understand the arm may

926
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: not be what it was. We're pounding the football, we're

927
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: playing defense, and I think he's gonna get us there,

928
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: and I think he lies better than Peyton. Wasn't wholeheartedly agree. Well,

929
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean Peyton went through four next surgery, so I

930
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: would expect Elie to be in better shape correct two, one,

931
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: four or five on three. I know this guy's excited.

932
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: He got a splash. It shakes man doesn't sound excited.

933
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: I want what I want to cry, Dave Gentleman, Listen,

934
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: if Reese was my my boy og Steve's uncle, Dave

935
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: Gentleman is my grandfather. Okay, he is my grandfather. He

936
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: has my mind frame and I love him. You can't

937
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: tell me nothing wrong about Gentleman, ever, when one off

938
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: season he fixed everything that I've been complained about to

939
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: y'all for five years. Found years I've been saying these

940
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: things over and over and over again to y'all, and

941
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: Giants fans and a lot of y'all have not listened,

942
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: not you Rost. I'm not talking about y'all. I'm talking

943
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: about the Giant fans that sat there and what this

944
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: quarterback I want to be placed? Eli. It is not

945
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: the time for that. It is time to win now.

946
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: When now let's go all with Eli. Let's support Eli.

947
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: Let's do that. And I love what you said about

948
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: it's not being elist team anymore, because that's it's timeful

949
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: that the tours to be passed and now it's going

950
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: to be brod least he is the face of the

951
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: team now, well, real quick, real quick, real quick. Maybe

952
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: next year he's the face. Okay, that's fine, busy, because

953
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: I honestly still think it's team. I still think right

954
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: now it's the Lives team the same way I think

955
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: if you go back and you look at nine and

956
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: nine with the Broncos, it was the John Elway's team. Now,

957
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't John Elway any like Manning that everybody else.

958
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: It was John Elwa any like Manning and a bunch

959
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: of guys with them on the top line. And I

960
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: think that's kind of what you're looking at now exactly.

961
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: And that's what my point is. The torch is being

962
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: passed being yes, correct, and it is right, and it's right,

963
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 1: and gavernment is doing right. And like y'all said, everything

964
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: that he has set up to this point, he has

965
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: been honest and will with us as fans. And I

966
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Another thing y'all said, and I agree as well.

967
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: And I was talking to my boy e about it.

968
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: The letter. He he, my boy he loves the letter.

969
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: He says that, Yo, that that was a sleeper. All well,

970
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: and dandy, what this done? What what has this done? Is?

971
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: Now it gives a lot of time to go out

972
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: the way he wants to go out, and when he

973
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: eventually wants to go out. We got two options to

974
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: look at to be his successor, and that's a better

975
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: odd than just having one. So all these quarterback rods

976
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: or you you play it where you're gonna double up

977
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: in the mid round and the dude goes to get

978
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback earlier in the first world and Twitter replace

979
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: the success we do success with. It's just just that's

980
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: when you got two guys sitting there learning under this

981
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: guy and one of them is going to outside the other. Hey,

982
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: look shakes in fairness if you have to put me

983
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: on a live detector. In my personal opinion, I think

984
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: probably Donald has a better chance of being a franchise

985
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: quarterback than either Web or Loletta. But it's a but

986
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: it's a lot closer than it is with just Donald

987
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: verse Web. And that's my point. Once you decide Barkley

988
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: is your guy, Okay, it's a separate decision. Once you

989
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: decide you have to take Barkley because he's that good.

990
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: And that's a decision, gentleman made. It's a good thing

991
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: to add the quarterback later than to not add the

992
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: quarterback later. And I don't and you're right, I've gotten

993
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: that too. Where fans have complained, well, why would you

994
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: just waste two picks on middle round quarterbacks? It's not

995
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: a waste. Yes. Is the success rate of middle round

996
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks small? Yes, But let's let's say it was ten

997
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: to If you want to look at the base numbers here,

998
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: if you combine both guys, you're looking at shot. Let's

999
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: say Donald's a six shots. You know, you know these guys,

1000
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: you never know. It's still a better rate than one

1001
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: by themselves. So I don't understand why the people that

1002
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: wanted to pass on Barkley are then also mad that

1003
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: they drafted Loletta. It doesn't make any sense to me, because,

1004
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: like you said, two is better than one. I don't

1005
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: get how you could want Donald and they're not chopped

1006
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: living neither, right, but that they both won the em

1007
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: back to back in assumable yep, absolutely, Okay, so we're

1008
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: not talking about chopped lives here. They're gonna learn under

1009
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: eat lie and the best man is going to win. Now. Um.

1010
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: My other thing is, to me, there is no holes

1011
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: on this team. To me, I wouldn't go that far.

1012
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: I understand if it's an argument, and we're gonna we're

1013
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: gonna get to these arguments. Oh, we month long to

1014
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: the season goes on. But to me, there is no holes.

1015
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: There is a lot of bodies that is going to

1016
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: compete at every thought about that, but I think, I

1017
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: think shakes. There are two things one starting right tackle

1018
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: to your third corner. Those are the two things that

1019
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: I want ter earlier. You've got three guys that's gonna

1020
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: sit there and compete for that job. Three. Okay, Now,

1021
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers, y'all know I still have belief in him.

1022
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: Come in when that job, show that you are good,

1023
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: and now our whole line is set and complete. To me,

1024
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: there is no holes on this team. Now. The concern

1025
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: I have is who's going to fulfill that X receiver spot?

1026
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: Because we know Shepherd is the slide when Odell is

1027
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: the is the hy Who's going to fill that X is?

1028
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: Latimore is Rudolph Um one of those guys gonna have

1029
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: to step up and fulfill that that spot. But everything

1030
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: Hose I'm looking at, I don't see no holes to me.

1031
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: Now my last point, and I'm gonna go off on

1032
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: this now. I said I was right about everything, and

1033
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: I was, But listen, I did top ten rankings of

1034
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: every position. Let me tell you what Gentleman did for me.

1035
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: He gave me my number one running back that I

1036
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: had ranked, He gave me my number two guards, he

1037
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: gave me my number four outside linebacker, and he gave

1038
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: me my number eight quarterback and my number eight defensive tackle.

1039
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: And what he'd done, what he has done, is brought

1040
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: back physicality and speed to this team. If y'all looked

1041
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: at b. J. Hill, look at how quick he is

1042
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: off dust. I'm telling you, Gentleman is my grandfather. Leaving

1043
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: out with that appreciate for Grandpa. Geentleman, for shakes, I

1044
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: like it. It certainly has old school philosophies. So I

1045
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: don't think Geentleman is going to disagree that he's been

1046
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: around the league long enough that he doesn't necessarily feel

1047
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: the trenches is an overlook facet of the game. It's

1048
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: still extremely important. And you can tell based on what

1049
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: he did with Carolina as well as what he's doing

1050
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: with the Giants now. And by the way, I think

1051
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: O'Dell can play X wide receivers. He's not a z

1052
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a guy that can go up and

1053
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: get it, and I think play that spot. And I

1054
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: also don't think, oh, I know when their maca do

1055
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: there wasn't a true X receiver like you had on

1056
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: their Gilbride with Nixon burrs and things like that. I'm

1057
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: not sure Schimmer is gonna run that how important that

1058
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: is with his version of the West Coast offense or

1059
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: whatever the heck he wants to call it. So we'll

1060
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: have to wait and see. But look, you don't have

1061
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: to have that big six ft five I've guy in there,

1062
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: and you have an Ingram by the way, I was

1063
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: just gonna say, you have him as an option. He

1064
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: could also be lined out as a wide receiver. Barkley

1065
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: could be used as a receiver we just went over.

1066
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: So they're gonna mix and match personnel depending on what

1067
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: the defensive alignment show. I'll make him. Wait, Adam and Columbus, Ohio,

1068
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: he's up next. Hi, Adam, how are you for that?

1069
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing? What's going on? Do me a favor, Take

1070
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: us off speaker phone, give me one secon This better?

1071
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: That is better? Thank you? Alright, no problem? Hey, Yeah,

1072
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: I called Friday and I made a point that I

1073
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: thought the draft did a nice job of balancing the

1074
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: present in the future, and you know, I think that's

1075
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: I think that's true. One thing I was thinking that

1076
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: it is a beautiful, beautiful thing when your biggest need

1077
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: just so happened to coincide with the biggest value. And

1078
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: I think that's what happened here. I mean, I would

1079
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: say that Lorenzo, Carter and Hernandez were best case scenario

1080
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: wishes in the draft room realistically for two and three,

1081
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: and that's what we got. Yeah, I totally agree, that,

1082
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: totally agree. I think that that, you know, I think

1083
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: one one thing the whole quarterback at too crowd is

1084
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: this thing is that Hernande is that too is a

1085
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: steel and that really, in my opinion, mitigates any position

1086
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: value risk, well not any, but I think it enhances

1087
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: the Barkley pick and it goes a long way to mitigate. Yeah,

1088
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: we didn't grab Nelson. Hernande's is not Nelson, obviously, but

1089
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: he's damn good and at thirty four, the value is

1090
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: tremendous and he's a plug and play guy who can

1091
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: be good. So the margin from Hernandez to Quentin Nelson

1092
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: allows us to roll the dice with a potential goat

1093
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: running back. And I just don't think you can look

1094
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: at that number two in a vacuum. I wish people

1095
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: would give more consideration to that. You know what we

1096
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: did it too, and how it enhances number one. Yeah,

1097
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: you also have to look at the addition of Nate

1098
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: Soldier and Patrick Omamba. I mean it's not just that

1099
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: it's something happened exactly. To me, it's like a hail

1100
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: Mary in some sense the draft, because yeah, you know

1101
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: what you want, but in some sense you have to

1102
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: you have to get lucky. The pieces have to fall

1103
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: into place, and another the receivers have to be where

1104
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: they need to be. The ball has to be where

1105
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: it needs to be. And it's a it's a low

1106
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: percentage play, but it can give yourself the best chance

1107
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: by executing. And man, I say, d G. Dave Gentleman,

1108
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: the man executed. I think he brought us to the

1109
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: forefront of running teams in the NFL in two signings

1110
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: in one draft. I love it. Appreciate Thank you, Adam,

1111
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: Thanks good stuff. And you know the funny thing is

1112
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: we thought this is such a deep running back class.

1113
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: I actually think we Letta was a better quarterback than

1114
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: there was a running back available in Round four. Is

1115
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: the top of the running backs one when one went

1116
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: away pretty quick. Royce Freedmo was the last one to

1117
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: go to the Broncos in round three, but all the

1118
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: other guys through Carry and Johnson were all gone in

1119
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: the second round. There was a rush on running backs

1120
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: at one point, round top a round two. I mean,

1121
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: there's still a great deal of depth at that position.

1122
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: But your point is, once she got to four, there

1123
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: really wasn't much substance there, not full time backs. You

1124
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: still had the Naheim Hines of the world, the Akram

1125
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: Wadley's of the war world, Joe Kelly from Tennessee, those

1126
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: types of guys, but you know, the Carrie on Johnson's

1127
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: and guys like that, they weren't there any be your

1128
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: number one guy perhaps on the depth chart, at least

1129
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: can handle carries. Jane Brooklyn, what's up, Jay? How are

1130
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: you buddy? Hey? Guys, how you doing? Man? No? Hey,

1131
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: I know the Giants haven't done a great job putting

1132
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: down around Eli for the past couple of years. I

1133
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: get it. But now that they drafted the running back,

1134
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: they got the wide receiver they had to tight end.

1135
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm done with the excuses for Elie. I mean, let's

1136
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: be real here, He's made the playoffs, funds in the

1137
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: last seven years. He's on his third head coach, four

1138
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: fourth offense coordinator, his second gym in front office. They're

1139
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: running out of stones to overturn with this roster. Jay,

1140
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: let me say this and I'll be I'll be very unequivocal,

1141
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: and I'll be clear. Eli Manny had a lot of

1142
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: reasons not to succeed the last few years with the

1143
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: line in front of him, assuming that they can figure

1144
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: out something at right tackle, which I think they should

1145
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: be able to manage with the rest of the offensive

1146
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: one and all the weapons, assuming there is health. I

1147
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: agree he has to play well. And this is the

1148
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: same guy you and mean both, John. I wanted the

1149
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: quarterback just like you. We saw him in eleven. Eli

1150
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: won games for the Giants and eleven absolutely, and all

1151
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,479
Speaker 1: those fourth quarter comebacks in eleven. Yes, the biggest problem

1152
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: I've seen with Eli then in Eli now is Eli

1153
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: has gone from a guy that that win you games

1154
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: to a guy you can win games win I think

1155
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, You're right, Ja, but he did

1156
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: have a pretty couple of pretty good moments in sixteen

1157
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: and fourth quarters where he had some comebacks to win

1158
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: that eleven of five year in fairness, correct, But again,

1159
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: this is the same guy used to win with guys

1160
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: like you know, Kevin, Jake Ballard running Backs Committee. He

1161
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: has talent everywhere you put. You put this sound on

1162
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: any of the leading quarterback in the NFL. You know

1163
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: what you're gonna expect coming out of aside to take

1164
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: injuries aside, you know what you're gonna get. Well, Jay, Look,

1165
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: in fairness, I don't think he's lost anything physically, like

1166
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he lost you on the ball. But

1167
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: you're right. I'm not gonna sit here and argue that

1168
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: he's the same player in seven and eighteen that he

1169
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: wasn't eleven. I don't think that's fair to compare a

1170
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: thirty seven year old Eli to a thirty one year

1171
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: old Eli. I don't think that's fine. Which is fine,

1172
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: but that's absolutely but it's not gonna look good at

1173
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: the end of the year. You have a fourteen hundred

1174
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: yard rusher, you're still out of the playoffs. Again, No,

1175
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: I agree. I happen to agree with you percent. I

1176
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: mean I agree to a certain extent. I just don't

1177
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: like to label this as a win now move. I mean,

1178
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: s Quan Barkley is the type of player that you

1179
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: think is talented enough that whoever is under center is

1180
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: going to be a guy that's gonna contribute, period. Right,

1181
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: But but this is not Let's give ELI two more

1182
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: years to try to win a Super Bowls cut in,

1183
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: let's assume they don't make the playoffs. That's one out

1184
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: of the last eight years. I'm well aware of the numbers,

1185
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: j J. But but j J, hold on, hold on

1186
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: what you did not take it to consideration when evaluating

1187
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: ELI and all the offense. You did say a peep

1188
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: about what happened on defense during that entire tenure. I

1189
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: didn't hear one word about evaluating how the defense is

1190
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: fluctuated and how you went one year with one of

1191
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: the most dominating defenses in the league and then you

1192
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: went to the bottom of the rankings, not one minute.

1193
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: You can't evaluate an NFL team success rate and whether

1194
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: they get in the playoffs by just looking at the offense.

1195
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: You can't. But this is But this is your overall

1196
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: opinion on quote. I know your opinion on quarterbacks. You

1197
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: don't you think I get it takes a village. I

1198
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: get that. But he's being paid and he's being treated

1199
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: like a franchise. QB franchise qbs don't make the playoffs

1200
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: once every eight years. I'm sorry, Well, let let me

1201
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: ask you this. How many times have the Chargers made

1202
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs during that span with Philip Rivers? I have

1203
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: no idea Rivers is not considered a great break to

1204
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: be though. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree with you. There,

1205
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: You and I are going to disagree with that. You

1206
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: and I are gonna disagree with that. I think Philip

1207
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: Rivers is an underrated quarterback and I think also his

1208
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: talent is fluctuated and that's why his results are not

1209
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: through the roof. How many times have the Giants have

1210
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: been competitive over the last seven years? We'll define competitive though,

1211
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean what does that mean? I mean most of

1212
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: the last If you go back to the last seven years,

1213
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: they have four game moving streaks, streaks, seven game losing streaks. Yeah,

1214
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not disagreeing with you, but but record alone

1215
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: does not define whether or not a team is competitive

1216
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: or not. Because, for example, if you even look at

1217
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: this past season, before the guys got hurt, I mean,

1218
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: all of those games were down to the wire, bounced

1219
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: the ball here, missfield goal here. You know the record

1220
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: could change. That doesn't mean there were a playoff team

1221
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: last year. Don't miss in term my words. But I

1222
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: don't just look at a record and say a team

1223
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: was non competitive. That's my point. Okay, I'm gonna give

1224
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 1: you a real possible and I get off the line.

1225
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: Sure they improved four to five games next year? When

1226
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: seven eight games out of the playoffs, what's ELI? Um?

1227
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessary. I think it depends how

1228
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: they get there. J What what if they're the seventh

1229
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: ranked offense in the league and they win eight games?

1230
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: That's different. But I mean, right, what does it mean?

1231
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: Well he needs a right tackle now? But but yeah,

1232
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: that's my point. Their record might not have to do

1233
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: with ELI. Like if if they're the fifth ranked offense

1234
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: in the league but the defense stinks and they win

1235
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: a games, that means ELI still got more good years left.

1236
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: So it more depends and and and ja thanks for

1237
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: the coal. It depends on how ELI plays. Not necessary

1238
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 1: the record in a vacuum. Now, if we're sitting here, look,

1239
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: and I do think I'm not gonna say it's a

1240
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: win now move LANs, but I do think if you

1241
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: look at the higher paid players on this roster, for

1242
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: example Snacks, Harrison North, Jenkins, um Olive Vernon, Eli Manning,

1243
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: and simply look at the lengths of their contracts. Okay,

1244
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: with that core of players. You're looking at it two

1245
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: to three years though, for that group of players, and

1246
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna generally sign thirty two and

1247
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: thirty three year olds to contract extensions. That's on defense,

1248
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: that's not the way the league works. Okay, So you

1249
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: are looking at I think at a smaller window for

1250
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: that group of guys and this team, as as Dave

1251
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: Gentnaman said a few forgot which press conference, no one

1252
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: wants to lose. Of course, you're trying to win now.

1253
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 1: So I do think if you get the five years

1254
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: from now and Eli man is announcing his retirement and

1255
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: they haven't won a playoff game between now and then,

1256
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: and you look at the overall strategy of the draft

1257
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: and not getting your ex franchise quarterback, I understand why

1258
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: somebody would go back and say, you know what, they

1259
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: made a mistake. I get that, well. I mean, I

1260
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: certainly can't understand that perspective, but I still go back

1261
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: to you know, Philip Rivers and I just brought this up.

1262
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they made the playoffs once, John, going back

1263
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: to two thousand ten. No, I'm not saying time. But again,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's Eli Manning's fall team in general,

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01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: but they would be a disappointing and the way you

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01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: labeled it compared to Jay, it'd be a team disappointment. Yeah. Absolutely,

1267
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: just be an Eli Manning disappoinment. Unless listen, if Eli

1268
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: goes out there and he throws to twenty seven interceptions

1269
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: next season, we've got something to talk about. But if

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: Eli on the offense are productive and the defense doesn't

1271
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: maybe meet them halfway, there has nothing to do with

1272
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,439
Speaker 1: the quarterback there, there's maybe a reason why they didn't

1273
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. You know, just like there have

1274
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: been years where the offense has been really good, the

1275
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: defense hasn't matched it. John, There's been years where the

1276
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: defense has been really good and the offense hasn't matched it.

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: So you gotta look at everything. That's my larger point here. Yeah. Absolutely,

1278
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: and again I'm I'm not saying it's Eli man disappointment,

1279
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: it's a team disappointment. All right, Let's go to Charlie

1280
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: in Portland May and he's our final corner. What's up? Chuckles? Hey?

1281
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: John Haylands, Hey, it depends on the putting, John. The

1282
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: prep is gonna be in the pudding. Charlie. I don't

1283
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: care if it's rice. Leave it to Charlie to argue

1284
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: even cliches unbelievable. Go ahead, fascinated to hear what you

1285
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: have to say today. I don't know what this last

1286
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: call is talking about. The only guy who played his

1287
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: butt off and the best game in the in a

1288
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: playoff game in two thousand sixteen was Eli Manning. Everybody

1289
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: else dropped passes, the defense got tired, and once DRC

1290
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: went out, it all fell apart. The only guy who

1291
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: played was Eli Manning. Right, you give Eli Manning an

1292
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: offensive line, which I've been screaming about for the last

1293
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: four years. He is still the Eli Manning and he

1294
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: will get it done because that's who he is, and

1295
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: the biggest games he plays the biggest He did it.

1296
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: He won two Super Bowls, last two minute drives m

1297
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: v P. And he's still the same guy. Now that

1298
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: you've got a running game and a running back, it's

1299
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: going to help Eli so much more. The only thing

1300
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: I was disappointed in was this draft was not getting

1301
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: a right tack us. I mean, Jones was there, Crosby

1302
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: was there, and we went more D lines. Sorry, I

1303
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: was surprised too. And I'm not sure if you listened

1304
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: to the shows over the weekend, but hacked, me and

1305
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: Paul are talking about Jamarco, Jones and Crosby and in

1306
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: round three and then they're still sitting there and round five.

1307
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Paul and I were also a

1308
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: little bit surprised about that. Yeah, and I understand, you know,

1309
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: he wants a really good D line rotation. So that

1310
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: tells me that I don't know if they think too

1311
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: much about Mr Illness, he might be the guy on

1312
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: the outside if these other two guys have come in.

1313
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: Really But by the way, but it's got to be

1314
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: disappointing to you if these players then have diminished roles

1315
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: who you love because of the nicknames and those are

1316
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: your talking points, You're not gonna have enough material next season,

1317
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: are you aware of that? Okay? But Charlie, by the way,

1318
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: before you continue on your lovely dissertation, I documented on

1319
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: the screen April and one oh five pm Eastern, Charlie

1320
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: says something reasonable when you pointed out about what happened

1321
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: to the playoff game with Eli Manning. So you get

1322
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: a check mark in my book. Very rare occurrence that

1323
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: we've had today. But this is a pleasant experience. I'm

1324
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: going to write it down in my diary that this

1325
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: was a great day, Charlie. Get out on the high note.

1326
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: Get out the high note. Very careful what you say next,

1327
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: but go ahead. Hey, look, there's two top fifty free

1328
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: agents left offensive tackles. One is Austin Howard and the

1329
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: other one number forty nine is Mr Will Beaty. Bring

1330
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: one of those two guys in that off to compete

1331
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: for right tack There we go. That was short lived,

1332
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: right to or we gotta run. Thanks to the call.

1333
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you later in the week, all right, Charlie.

1334
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: Appreciate And again, maybe the giants so good, and maybe

1335
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: the giants didn't like Tyroll Crosby and Jamaco Jones. Where

1336
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: were they on the board? If they were right time,

1337
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: sure they would have taken it. I guess they weren't. Yeah,

1338
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta take that at to consider it. Absolutely.

1339
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean the players were good. It's just in

1340
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: the eyes of the Giants front off is they may

1341
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: not have been as high as the other players, And

1342
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: there were reports out there that maybe there was a

1343
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: medical deal with Crosby that never got confirmed, so who

1344
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: the heck knows? Yeah, speaking of medical condition, just real quickly,

1345
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: McIntosh did have a brief thyroid issue, but he has

1346
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: since gone on medication to at least handle that because

1347
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: that was an issue in terms of the wheat fluctuation,

1348
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 1: and Dave Gettleman even brought that up during his price.

1349
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: Come when you started speaking of medicals, I thought maybe

1350
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: you finally had your condition diagnosed for that has been

1351
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: a long ranging, whole production. Doctor. How about the team,

1352
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know. We're beyond the point

1353
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: of help for Paul the Tino at this point. You

1354
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: need a team for that team of consultants. It's good stuff, absolutely,

1355
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure, folks. Tomorrow we're back for more Big

1356
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: Blue kick Off and Nude on Giants dot Com and

1357
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: stay tuned to Giants dot com. Is you continue to

1358
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: break down the Giants draft class for a lance but

1359
01:06:44,520 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: on John Schmilk. We'll see tomorrow on Giants dot com.

1360
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: H two Wild Beat the references in one show and

1361
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: then after the drag did not think, we get that,

1362
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: but it happens. An think sometimes No, not at all,