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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George,

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Speaker 1: and are you with you along with Jason Louve as

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Speaker 1: we talk about magic and all kinds of magic. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: what are some of the famous individuals who have been

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Speaker 1: interested in using magic? Jason? Over the years, there have

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Speaker 1: been literally hundreds. I'm constantly finding new ones. And it's

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Speaker 1: people a lot more famous than you'd think. Let's see,

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Speaker 1: David Bowie is always comes to mind. John and Elvis

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Speaker 1: Presley very interested in it. Elvis really absolutely, he was

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Speaker 1: big into the call. He was big into theosophy as well.

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Speaker 1: He was very very serious with it. Let's see I

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Speaker 1: have you know, Let's see both Clinton's Billard, Hillary and

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Speaker 1: also Donald Trump have been fascinated with it, surprisingly enough,

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Speaker 1: so many many many royals, Queen Elizabeth and with a

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Speaker 1: lot of science is shockingly enough, Albert Einstein's fascinated with alchemy,

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Speaker 1: Robert Oppenheimer and a lot of people. Even now. Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk apparently has a great interest in meditation and chakras

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Speaker 1: and things like that. So it's some of the more

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Speaker 1: people you would least expect are, you know, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of people that have just shaped history. It's it's

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Speaker 1: I'm constantly finding new ones. Has magic been misunderstood or

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Speaker 1: misinterpreted by so many people? Absolutely? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's very very rarely been acting, you know, not misinterpreted.

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Speaker 1: You know. Magic of course calls up all of the

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Speaker 1: hammer horror, you know, all the all the Hollywood stuff. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and they do a good job with it too, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you know, the reality is much less romantic,

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Speaker 1: you know. I think that what magic actually tends to

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Speaker 1: look like is just somebody meditating for long periods of time,

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Speaker 1: and it's much closer to again, what you would expect

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Speaker 1: to Betton monks monks to do where you know, they're meditating,

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Speaker 1: but it's kind of colorful and they have you know,

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Speaker 1: ritual items that are are there to focus their minds

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Speaker 1: into certain directions. But magic is always um, you know,

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Speaker 1: really up until the current time period, I would say,

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Speaker 1: or at least until the twentieth century, it was always

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Speaker 1: seen as something to be afraid of. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of people have speculated that the reason that magic got

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Speaker 1: such a bad rap was because people wanted to keep

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Speaker 1: it for themselves. Traditionally it was held by nobility, the

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Speaker 1: royal family, certainly in England, and the nobility in England,

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Speaker 1: you know, has a long history with this stuff of course,

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Speaker 1: going you know, John d are part of that, and

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Speaker 1: certainly in Western culture, if not others, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: been this closely guarded thing of the elite. And for

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Speaker 1: that reason, I suspect that there may have been a

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Speaker 1: little bit of you know, muddying the water or kind

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Speaker 1: of some pr some negative pr done to kind of

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Speaker 1: scare people away from it, because the reality is that

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Speaker 1: it's tremendously it is not only tremendously empowering for people,

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Speaker 1: but it also tends to wake them up out of

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Speaker 1: whatever control structures they're living in, and that's of course

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Speaker 1: quite frightening to the powers that be, whatever the powers

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Speaker 1: that be happened to be an e given period. So

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Speaker 1: I would suspect that it's it's been given negative publicity

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Speaker 1: for a reason, which is to keep people away from it.

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Speaker 1: But since we now live in the age of the Internet,

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Speaker 1: all of that has fallen by the wayside, and I

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Speaker 1: think that magic now is phenomenally popular, particularly with I mean,

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Speaker 1: it really began to become popular in the twenties. It

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Speaker 1: was extremely popular with the baby boomers in the sixties

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Speaker 1: and now, and even more so I think with millennials. Sure,

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Speaker 1: excuse much younger now, doesn't it? Yeah? It does. And

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Speaker 1: I think that part of that is, you know, kids

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Speaker 1: so they have positive imprints on it instead of negative ones.

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Speaker 1: Because of media and also just because of the Internet,

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Speaker 1: for good and bags. There's a lot of misinformation out there,

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Speaker 1: but for instance, they can take my classes online or

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Speaker 1: you know, find you know, books that couldn't be found

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Speaker 1: easily before. And so we really live in a renaissance

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Speaker 1: period for this stuff. A lot of people talk about, oh,

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Speaker 1: the golden age of magic was, you know, thousands of

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Speaker 1: years ago. I don't think so. I think now was

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Speaker 1: information and we can look at them. We can look

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Speaker 1: at this information with the skeptical eye of modern individuals

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Speaker 1: and clearly see, Okay, what's valid, what was superstition, what

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Speaker 1: techniques of meditation that really work, and can we leave

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Speaker 1: and I think that out of that we're going to

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Speaker 1: get something very exciting. If you consider that alchemy gave

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Speaker 1: what is that? What is ceremonial magic and yoga and

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Speaker 1: one hundred years? I think you know, probably the you know,

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Speaker 1: perhaps the keystone of it all. And Jason, when people

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Speaker 1: What is that? Well, it's what's out there and what's

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Speaker 1: what magic does is it taps into the deepest layers

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Speaker 1: of yourself. It is a journey into self realization, self exploration,

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Speaker 1: and it allows you to go deep into the unconscious

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Speaker 1: layers of the mind and the core of yourself. I

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Speaker 1: mean people talk about enlightening, Well, what is enlightenment. Enlightenment

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Speaker 1: is discovering the fundamental core of who you are, like

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Speaker 1: the atom of the individual or beyond perhaps and so

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Speaker 1: it's an inward journey. But as we say in magic,

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Speaker 1: as above, so below, perceptually, for human beings it appears

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Speaker 1: that you know inside and outside, at least for magic,

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Speaker 1: people tend to be the same thing, and they tend

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Speaker 1: to interact, and they tend to mirror each other. So

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Speaker 1: that I can say absolutely that as one goes on

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Speaker 1: the inward journey, and as one becomes more and more

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Speaker 1: integrated and awakened human being, life gets a lot better,

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Speaker 1: you know, because of the universe responds to you in

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Speaker 1: a much more positive way, because you're you're not conflicted.

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Speaker 1: Most human beings are bundles of confliction. They're like tangles

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Speaker 1: of chords, and magic untangles that. And so it allows

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Speaker 1: magic allows one to experience the free flowing energy of existence,

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Speaker 1: and to put it simply, and life just gets magical

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Speaker 1: for lack of a better way of putting it. The

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Speaker 1: life just gets better on its own. It's almost like

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Speaker 1: the universe responds positively to it. And that is the

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Speaker 1: core of what magic really is. It's not you know,

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Speaker 1: doing spells to get something. It's tapping into yourself. So

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Speaker 1: deeply that you're tapping into, you know, the beneficial forces

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Speaker 1: allowing your life to blossom and out of that because

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Speaker 1: you're tapping into the wellspring of truth, of existence, of yourself,

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Speaker 1: if you read sacred text or if you go to

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Speaker 1: are telling you about an experience that somebody else had. Oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Moses saw the burning bush. Well, this is

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Speaker 1: And magic gives you the tools to actually have the

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Speaker 1: discover that actually there's really nothing supernatural about it. It's

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Speaker 1: just fully living. It's it's you know, fully maximizing the

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Speaker 1: experience of human existence. It's fully becoming alive. And nothing

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Speaker 1: so passionate about teaching it. Do you think magic enhances

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Speaker 1: religion or detracts from it? Well? Both. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: But I think that it's some ways. You know, all

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Speaker 1: I often say, it kind of shows you how the

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Speaker 1: if you practice the stuff, you understand how these holy

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Speaker 1: people had their experiences. And then you say, well, well,

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Speaker 1: And and so it takes the superstition out of it.

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Speaker 1: And the funny thing is also when when supernatural language

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Speaker 1: in a way revivifies religion and it makes it totally

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Speaker 1: true will, you know, that's where you start your your

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Speaker 1: your true purpose for life. So many people now, despite

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Speaker 1: having infinite information and infinite opportunity and infinite power to

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Speaker 1: So the first goal of magic is to unveil your

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Speaker 1: to fill our lives with the true purpose. The true

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Speaker 1: will is where divinity meets humanity. And in the past,

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Speaker 1: you're good. It's a one size fits all. But reality

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Speaker 1: is messy, you know it's it's it's not one size

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Speaker 1: fits all. Everyone has a different role to play in

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Speaker 1: a different path to live, and that is sacred. It

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Speaker 1: must be lived out. Similar to the Hindu concept of dharma.

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Speaker 1: We each have a role to play and we can't

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Speaker 1: shirk that just to go meditate in a cave. Spirituality,

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Speaker 1: for ninety nine point nine percent of people, is lived

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Speaker 1: out in the world by fulfilling one's path, by fulfilling

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Speaker 1: one's dharma and one's duties to society. At least until

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Speaker 1: generally the age of retirement, when people are free to

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Speaker 1: fully pursue spirituality full time, which is a really beautiful thing.

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Speaker 1: But that's the first goal of magic, is to tap

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Speaker 1: into what the universe truly wants for you, what your

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Speaker 1: true will is. It proceeds from there into you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, more full enlightenment stages. But that is a

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Speaker 1: really active way to look at it, and I like

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Speaker 1: looking at it that way because one thing I really

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Speaker 1: want to emphasize is that this is not a path

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Speaker 1: of being a monastic. It's not a path of meditating

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Speaker 1: in a cave. It's a path of being fully active

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Speaker 1: in the world. And that's why that's why it's magic

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Speaker 1: and you know, monastic meditation or something like that, because

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Speaker 1: it's about action in the world and living a good life.

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