WEBVTT - Paper Sewing Patterns, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy V. Wilson, and we are still

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<v Speaker 1>talking about paper sewing patterns this week. Little did you

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<v Speaker 1>know this could possibly be two episodes worth of information. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>this could be a whole podcast series. Yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say, I bet it could be a whole series

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<v Speaker 1>if we wanted. Yeah, easily. I felt bad every time

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<v Speaker 1>I cut something. And there's one in particular that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't mention it all, and I will explain why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes. Yeah. And we sat in part one

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<v Speaker 1>that this is really a focus on like Europe and

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<v Speaker 1>North America, and it became a global thing. It could

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<v Speaker 1>be like ten podcasts series forget it, see you next year,

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<v Speaker 1>and people would be like, I don't sew, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>in for this. But here we are. At the end

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<v Speaker 1>of part one, we had mentioned, after talking about various

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<v Speaker 1>tailoring and some sewing books that had come out, that

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<v Speaker 1>there were two people that really kicked off the industry

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<v Speaker 1>of printed patterns in the US and made them super popular,

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<v Speaker 1>and those were Ellen Curtis Demorist and Ebenezer Butterick. So

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<v Speaker 1>today we are going to talk about those two people

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the development of the other companies that

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<v Speaker 1>make up the so called Big four pattern companies, Butterick, McCall's,

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<v Speaker 1>Vogue and Simplicity. Ellen Louise Curtis was born on November fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty four, in Skylerville, New York. She went to

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<v Speaker 1>Skylerville Academy as a teenager, and when she graduated at

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<v Speaker 1>the age of eighteen, she immediately went into business as

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<v Speaker 1>a milliner with her own shop. She worked in millinery

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<v Speaker 1>for about fifteen years and then got married in her

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<v Speaker 1>mid thirties to a man named William Demorist. So Ellen's

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<v Speaker 1>entree into pattern printing is often described as her envisioning

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<v Speaker 1>a product that could fill the gap in the home

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<v Speaker 1>sewing market series of patterns that were offered in multiple

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<v Speaker 1>sizes and were mass produced, not custom measured for each client,

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<v Speaker 1>and that her husband, William was on board, and that

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<v Speaker 1>they launched this new business venture together. That doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be entirely accurate, though there was another Missus Demrist

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<v Speaker 1>before Ellen, and that was Margaret Demorist. William's first wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was billed as Missus Demorist in pattern ads

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<v Speaker 1>and women's magazines in the mid eighteen fifties. One from

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty three that ran in The New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>touted sewing lessons as well as quote patterns of plane

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<v Speaker 1>and basque wastes cut to fit the form with unfailing accuracy,

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<v Speaker 1>and elegant dress patterns cut at eighteen and a half cents.

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<v Speaker 1>William had hired Ellen and her sister Kate to actually

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<v Speaker 1>design and produce the patterns, while Margaret was the public

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<v Speaker 1>face of the brand. Initially. Margaret Demors died in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty nine, the year before Ellie and William married, and

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<v Speaker 1>once Ellen assumed the role of Missus Demrist both domestically

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<v Speaker 1>and professionally, the pattern company, which pad and modest success

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighteen fifties, really started to take off. In

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty, the two of them opened a shop on

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<v Speaker 1>Broadway in Manhattan called Madam Demorest's Emporium of Fashions. The

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<v Speaker 1>patterns that they sold were not just functional for sewing,

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<v Speaker 1>they were also works of art. Dressmakers shops that used

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<v Speaker 1>the patterns could also assemble the pattern itself with pins,

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<v Speaker 1>and have a display piece for their window. Because the

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<v Speaker 1>Demorists printed their patterns on colored paper, customers could even

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<v Speaker 1>get trims for their assembled paper patterns. But the Demorists

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<v Speaker 1>had a much bigger vision than just opening a shop

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<v Speaker 1>from which to sell patterns. They envisioned an entire brand

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<v Speaker 1>that people would associate with style and dressmaking. To expand

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<v Speaker 1>their business identity, they also started a periodical, Madam Demorrist's

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<v Speaker 1>Mirror of Fashions, which William basically ran in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the editorial while Ellen managed the shop and the new

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<v Speaker 1>designs and The magazine, which ran for nearly thirty years,

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<v Speaker 1>published color plates of the latest fashion trends, and it

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<v Speaker 1>also included full sized patterns. These were not part of

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<v Speaker 1>the page content of the magazine. They were a separate

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<v Speaker 1>insert that was stapled into the magazine itself for easy

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<v Speaker 1>removal and use. The Demorists also still offered the patterns

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<v Speaker 1>as separate products. Customers didn't need to purchase the magazine

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<v Speaker 1>if they didn't want to, they could just select from

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<v Speaker 1>the various pattern offerings. This was the first of many

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<v Speaker 1>products the Demorists eventually offered through both mail order and

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<v Speaker 1>via retailer distribution. Over time, their products included branded sewing

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<v Speaker 1>notions like pins, scissors, and measuring implements, and even foundation

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<v Speaker 1>garments to get the perfect base layer for the new

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<v Speaker 1>dresses customers were stitches. The Demorrists also expanded into cosmetics

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<v Speaker 1>to offer a full fashion and beauty brand. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>also kind of franchised, like there were multiple Demorist shops

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<v Speaker 1>that opened up that were run by other people, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were very successful in all of this. By eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four, just four years into their venture together, they

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<v Speaker 1>had to expand their quarterly magazine to a monthly which

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<v Speaker 1>was called Demorists Illustrated Monthly Magazine and Madame demeris Mirror

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<v Speaker 1>of Fashions. It was kind of two magazines, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were all put together into one and that was all

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<v Speaker 1>one title for him, and the magazine, of course touted

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<v Speaker 1>their patterns on the first page in a huge ad.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, the April eighteen sixty five ad read life

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<v Speaker 1>sized paper models of all the reliable and latest Paris

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<v Speaker 1>designs for ladies and children's dress, arranged and elegantly trimmed

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<v Speaker 1>so as to present the most perfect resemblance to the

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<v Speaker 1>original articles, including Evening Home Bridle or fancy dresses, also cloaks, mantles, waists, jackets, sleeves,

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<v Speaker 1>apron sacks, capes, robes de chambre, undergarments, etc. And every

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<v Speaker 1>style of garment adapted to boys and misses and infants

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<v Speaker 1>that has any claim for either novelty or utility, all

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<v Speaker 1>accurately reproduced in tissue paper as soon as they are

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<v Speaker 1>offered in either Paris or London to secure which we

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<v Speaker 1>have completed ample and costly arrangements. Patterns sent by mail

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<v Speaker 1>or express to all parts of the Union. In Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>Madame Demorrist's excelsior and always first premium system of dress cutting.

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<v Speaker 1>The rest of the magazine included articles about the latest

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<v Speaker 1>fashions and accessories, such as Paisley Shawl's being a good investment,

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<v Speaker 1>small pieces of sheet music so readers could learn a

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<v Speaker 1>new song, sequential art stories, fiction stories and essays, and

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<v Speaker 1>commentary on fashion related news that included the ball for

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<v Speaker 1>President Lincoln's second inauguration, of which the magazine noted quote

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<v Speaker 1>the arrangements for a brilliant opening of mister Lincoln's second

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<v Speaker 1>term were made with great liberality and were entirely successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing could exceed the imposing grandeur of the spectacle which

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Hall of the Patent Office presented when the

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<v Speaker 1>Auguste assemblage composed of the President and his lady, the

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<v Speaker 1>foreign ministers with their wives, the heads of departments, and

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand of the most distinguished people from different parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the country was complete. The clothes were, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>also noted in this ride up quote. The toilettes were,

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<v Speaker 1>many of them magnificent. Missus Lincoln's consisted of white satin

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<v Speaker 1>with an elegant white lace flounce festooned at the side

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<v Speaker 1>with heavy white silk cord and tassels. A bertha of

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<v Speaker 1>point lace ornamented the low neck, and a costly point

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<v Speaker 1>lace shawl covered her shoulders. Her hair was worn in

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<v Speaker 1>curls and adorned with white and purple flowers, pearl necklace,

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<v Speaker 1>and ornaments, bouquet and violets. In the early eighties teen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>the magazine began touting the latest demorist innovation patterns in

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<v Speaker 1>sizes other than an average slash medium, and it also

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<v Speaker 1>developed really smart ways to integrate pattern sales with fashion

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<v Speaker 1>and society news and information. An editorial package about cruises,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, would include information on how to book them

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<v Speaker 1>and where types of excursions that one might go on,

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<v Speaker 1>and then suggest the patterns that would enable the reader

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare the perfect wardrobe for such a trip. The

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<v Speaker 1>Demorst brand assured women who stitched their own garments that

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<v Speaker 1>their patterns would enable them to create clothing as stylish

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<v Speaker 1>as people in higher income brackets. Not entirely germane to

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<v Speaker 1>the topic of patterns, but worth mentioning the way that

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<v Speaker 1>Ellen Demerist ran her business was quite progressive. She made

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<v Speaker 1>working women one of her personal causes, and she walked

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<v Speaker 1>that walk. Her business employed a lot of women, and

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<v Speaker 1>that included black women. She also reportedly hired black employees

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<v Speaker 1>under the same employment terms and pay rates as white employees.

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<v Speaker 1>She talked about the importance of recognizing women as part

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<v Speaker 1>of the workforce publicly. In November of eighteen sixty three,

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<v Speaker 1>she wrote a long and rather sharp reply to the

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<v Speaker 1>editor of The New York Times for an article that

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<v Speaker 1>had been published about women in the workforce. Her reply

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<v Speaker 1>began quote, inasmuch as you are not a woman and

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<v Speaker 1>do not to any extent employ women, allow one who

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<v Speaker 1>is and who does to reply to yesterday's article headed

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<v Speaker 1>Women's work and their Struggle for better compensation. The whole article,

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<v Speaker 1>because of being based on false premises, will bear an

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<v Speaker 1>absolute reversion. She then picks apart the entire article point

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<v Speaker 1>by point, noting, among other things, that the original article

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<v Speaker 1>failed to take into account, the fact that women are

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<v Speaker 1>expected to raise children and that it's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons women weren't often seen in careers. Demerist was involved

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<v Speaker 1>over the years and a lot of women's causes, and

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<v Speaker 1>the magazine often gave space to women writers to share

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<v Speaker 1>opinions on women's issues. Yeah, people like Luisa may Alcott

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<v Speaker 1>contributed to the magazine all the time. The eighteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six Centennial Exhibition at Philadelphia featured two paper dress pattern exhibits.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those was set up by the Madame Demerist Company.

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<v Speaker 1>The other display was the work of Ebenezer Butterick. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about Butterick and his company after

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<v Speaker 1>we pause for a sponsor break. Ebenezer Butterick was born

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<v Speaker 1>in Sterling, Massachusetts, on May twenty ninth, eighteen twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>He apprenticed as a tailor starting at an early age,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he opened his own business as a merchant tailor.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a tailor who makes clothes but also manages

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<v Speaker 1>an inventory of fabric that is used for the clothes

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<v Speaker 1>but is also offered at retail. He is frequently described

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<v Speaker 1>as having been kind of a mediocre as a tailor

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<v Speaker 1>and not having a lot of success in that business.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, in eighteen sixty three, Butterick, working with his

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<v Speaker 1>wife Ellen Augusta Butterick, Yes there are two Ellens in

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<v Speaker 1>this story, he did two things. He started offering standardized

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<v Speaker 1>tissue paper patterns in multiple sizes, and he established a

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<v Speaker 1>factory to print them in Fitchburg, Massachusetts. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more lucrative than his tailoring business had been, and

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<v Speaker 1>he saw its potential. Butterick also had the foresight to

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<v Speaker 1>do something the demorists had not. He patented his patterns. Initially,

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<v Speaker 1>most of his patterns were for men and boys clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>and he also started a periodical, although his was not

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<v Speaker 1>a frequent one. That was the Semi Annual Report of

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<v Speaker 1>Gents Fashions, which debuted in eighteen sixty five. He offered

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<v Speaker 1>individual patterns for twenty five to fifty cents, but you

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<v Speaker 1>could also make a bulk purchase of fifty patterns for

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<v Speaker 1>five dollars. The next year he added graded size designs

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<v Speaker 1>for women and girls, and that was when things really

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<v Speaker 1>took off. He also started another periodical, Ladies, quarterly report

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<v Speaker 1>of Broadway fashions. His women's patterns were usually four component

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of a garment and not a full dress, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>so rather than an entire dress, a customer could purchase

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<v Speaker 1>a bodice and a skirt separately and then combine them

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<v Speaker 1>into a dress. One of the reasons his offerings became

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<v Speaker 1>so popular so quickly was that he offered what was

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<v Speaker 1>at the time an extremely wide size range. It was

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<v Speaker 1>graded to fit bus lines from twenty eight inches to

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<v Speaker 1>forty six inches. Butterick also innovated in the way that

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<v Speaker 1>patterns were packaged. The Butterick Company folded the tissue patterns

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<v Speaker 1>so they would fit snugly into a packet envelope that

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<v Speaker 1>had that envelope flap closure, and soon that became the

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<v Speaker 1>industry standard. By the end of the eighteen sixties, Butterick

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<v Speaker 1>moved his pattern printing operation to a new factory location

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<v Speaker 1>in Brooklyn, New York, and he revamped his magazine of

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<v Speaker 1>women's fashions, calling it Metropolitan and publishing it monthly like

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<v Speaker 1>Demorist's magazine. This was part style information and part self advertising,

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<v Speaker 1>but Butterick also used it to bolster his reputation through

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<v Speaker 1>what was almost certainly false reporting of his company's success.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, he claimed that he sold more than fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred patterns every day, which historians have dismissed as highly unlikely. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot. In that same nineteen seventy nine paper

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned in the first part of this two parter

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<v Speaker 1>by historian Margaret Walsh, titled the Democratization of Fashion The

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<v Speaker 1>Emergence of the Women's Dress pattern Industry, Walsh notes how

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<v Speaker 1>this exhibit at the Exposition was a touchstone of a

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<v Speaker 1>massive change in a way that it changed fashion for

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<v Speaker 1>a wider array of people than would have had access

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<v Speaker 1>to such things prior quote. At mid century, fashion both

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<v Speaker 1>as an indicator of financial strength and social rank and

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<v Speaker 1>as an expression of femininity had been the prerogative of

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<v Speaker 1>the rich. Only the wealthy could afford to change their

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<v Speaker 1>styles of dress frequently. But now, thanks to the mass

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<v Speaker 1>production of paper patterns, American women in their European counterparts

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<v Speaker 1>were able to participate in a new social experience of

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<v Speaker 1>making stylish clothes at will. Eighteen seventy six was a

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<v Speaker 1>big year for the Demorists. Their company had the biggest

0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.320
<v Speaker 1>year it would ever have on the books. They sold

0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.400
<v Speaker 1>three million patterns that year, but after that things leveled

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<v Speaker 1>off for them, even though they won several awards at

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<v Speaker 1>the expo. Conversely, Butterick saw growth. In eighteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 1>Ebenezer Butterick founded the Butterick Publishing Company, an international iteration

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<v Speaker 1>of his already very busy business. Already between the two companies'

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<v Speaker 1>trajectories is sometimes attributed to the fact that the Demorists

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<v Speaker 1>didn't copyright their designs, so soon the same products were

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<v Speaker 1>available elsewhere whereas Butterick had his protected. But the market

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<v Speaker 1>had also had a lot of newcomers who saw the

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<v Speaker 1>success of the Demorists and Butterick brands and also wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to offer patterns to home soists. Another big factor that

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<v Speaker 1>differentiated the two was that the Demorists, in trying to

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<v Speaker 1>create an entire brand, had kind of over diversified. They

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<v Speaker 1>weren't associated just with patterns, Butterick was. Butterick's patterns also

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<v Speaker 1>offered more instructions than Demorists. But the big big thing

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<v Speaker 1>was that Butterick had started his own printing facility to

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<v Speaker 1>turn out patterns. He could do it fast, and he

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<v Speaker 1>could do it in large quantities. The Demorists and other

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<v Speaker 1>competitors on the market just didn't have that level of

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<v Speaker 1>ownership of the manufacturing and that hurt them. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the other competitors who started offering patterns as Butterick and

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<v Speaker 1>Demorist were showing that it was a very viable business

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<v Speaker 1>was James McCall. This one is a little bit frustrating

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the history because information on McCall is

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<v Speaker 1>actually pretty sparse. We know he was a Scottish born

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<v Speaker 1>tailor who moved to New York from Glasgow in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine, and he worked in the sewing trade in

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<v Speaker 1>New York, first for a British company called Royal Chart

0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.080
<v Speaker 1>that sold a pattern drafting system, and then he worked

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<v Speaker 1>for a sewing machine company. When he went into the

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<v Speaker 1>pattern business for himself, he too had an accompanying periodical

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<v Speaker 1>that was called Catalog of the Bizarre Paper Patterns. He

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<v Speaker 1>was purposely trying to gain momentum by making people think

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<v Speaker 1>this might be an offering affiliated with Harper's Bizarre magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>which had grown popular as a fashion publication. By then

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<v Speaker 1>he next moved on to a new name, The Queen,

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<v Speaker 1>though it was subtitled once again with the word bizarre

0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:08.000
<v Speaker 1>as illustrating McCall's bizarre glove fitting patterns. He was, to

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, absolutely not the only person doing this. There

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<v Speaker 1>were a lot of magazines and pattern catalogs with the

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<v Speaker 1>word bizar somewhere in the title, trying to trade on

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<v Speaker 1>the Harper's Bizarre popularity. But then finally in eighteen ninety seven,

0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.840
<v Speaker 1>it just became McCall's magazine. We mentioned in the first

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<v Speaker 1>part of this episode that most of these patterns being

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<v Speaker 1>distributed were actually blocks or slopers. They didn't include a

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<v Speaker 1>seam allowance. In nineteen nineteen, McCall's took the step to

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<v Speaker 1>start printing all of the company's patterns with seam allowance included.

0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.399
<v Speaker 1>The stitching line was denoted with a dotted line on

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<v Speaker 1>the pattern, and the cutting line was a solid line.

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<v Speaker 1>McCall died sometime at the end of the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>The details are a little unclear, and at that point

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<v Speaker 1>his wife, who was only named in accounts as Missus McCall,

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<v Speaker 1>ran the company until she sold it to a banking group.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, was Vogue Patterns, which started in eighteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike other pattern companies who offered magazines to grow their

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<v Speaker 1>names in businesses, Vogue Magazine predated the Pattern company that

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<v Speaker 1>started in eighteen ninety three, and the pattern branch of

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<v Speaker 1>Vogue's business began as a mail away service that was

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<v Speaker 1>part of Vogue Magazine. A mail in coupon was printed

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<v Speaker 1>in the magazine that readers could fill out and mail

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<v Speaker 1>in along with fifty cents, and then they would get

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<v Speaker 1>a pattern back so that they could make one of

0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:39.359
<v Speaker 1>the latest fashions featured in that magazine. But in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine, the Patterns became its own division, with a

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<v Speaker 1>range of patterns available for direct order. The year that

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<v Speaker 1>Vogue Pattern Service launched, Ebenezer Butterick stepped away from his

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<v Speaker 1>work in the company that bore his name. His health

0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.359
<v Speaker 1>had declined, and he returned home to Stirling, Massachusetts to

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<v Speaker 1>live out the remaining years of his life. He died

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<v Speaker 1>in March of nineteen oh three, but the company continued.

0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.639
<v Speaker 1>Vogue was purchased by Conde Nast that's the person, not

0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the company. The company is named after him in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh nine, and five years after that. In nineteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>the company sort of relaunched Vogue Patterns, this time as

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<v Speaker 1>a standalone business which was Vogue Pattern Company. Vogue Patterns

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<v Speaker 1>saw rapid success, and it was the first company that

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<v Speaker 1>had widespread department store distribution. In the mail away version

0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.360
<v Speaker 1>of the company. Vogue had been the first to license

0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.280
<v Speaker 1>designs from European designers, so women everywhere could make their

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<v Speaker 1>own versions of designer clothes using designer patterns, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is actually something that has continued through the current times.

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<v Speaker 1>Other pattern companies have done this, but Vogue has been

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<v Speaker 1>associated with it throughout. We'll talk about a newcomer to

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<v Speaker 1>the pattern game after we hear from some of our sponsors.

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<v Speaker 1>The nineteen twenties were very busy for pattern companies. It

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<v Speaker 1>was in the nineteen twenties that pattern envelopes started getting

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<v Speaker 1>full color illustrations of the fashions that you could make

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<v Speaker 1>with the contents. This was another innovation that McCall's spearheaded,

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<v Speaker 1>but within a decade all pattern companies had adopted the practice.

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<v Speaker 1>As designer fashion became more and more prominent in the

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<v Speaker 1>Roaring twenties, McCall's embraced it by working with high profile

0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:39.040
<v Speaker 1>designers like Elsa Scaparelli and Jean Levan to create licensed patterns,

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<v Speaker 1>and the last of the Big Four, Simplicity Patterns, was

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<v Speaker 1>founded in nineteen twenty seven. Joseph M. Shapiro was born

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen eighty eight in Borisov, Russia, and had moved

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States in nineteen twelve. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>number of jobs over the years, but he was working

0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:00.639
<v Speaker 1>for a fashion trade magazine when he decided to launch

0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:04.720
<v Speaker 1>the company based on his opinion that dress patterns cost

0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.200
<v Speaker 1>too much. At the time, the cost of a sewing

0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:12.440
<v Speaker 1>pattern ranged from forty five cents to two dollars. Simplicity

0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:14.879
<v Speaker 1>came into the market with a goal of aiming for

0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the business of lower income soists Simplicity patterns were only

0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:23.880
<v Speaker 1>fifteen cents. This idea of making sewing as economical as

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<v Speaker 1>possible would drive a lot of the company's initiatives after this,

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<v Speaker 1>Shapiro later told an interview quote, what's the tendency of

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<v Speaker 1>the American people in everything and architecture and eating and living.

0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I asked myself, it's simplicity. So I was pretty sure

0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.680
<v Speaker 1>cheap patterns would go. But I made one mistake. Ten

0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.840
<v Speaker 1>cents was too cheap. No one would believe they could

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<v Speaker 1>be any good at that price, so I raised it

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<v Speaker 1>to fifteen cents, and they began selling like hotcakes. Simplicity's

0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:57.399
<v Speaker 1>timing entering into the market was fortuitous. When the Great

0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Depression hit in the United States, more people than ever

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<v Speaker 1>turned to swing their own clothing, and because Simplicity's price

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:10.399
<v Speaker 1>point was the lowest, the popularity really soared. Joseph's wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline Hutchins Shapiro, is super important to this story. She

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<v Speaker 1>was a home economist and she had a tremendous influence

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<v Speaker 1>on the company's offerings and ethics. Because she specialized in

0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:25.000
<v Speaker 1>home ech and Simplicity had been founded with the vision

0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:29.320
<v Speaker 1>to empower stitchers at all economic levels. She spearheaded a

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<v Speaker 1>new division of the company, the Education Department. This department

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<v Speaker 1>worked with the public school system to assist with home

0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:40.119
<v Speaker 1>economics curricula, and even had company reps who would travel

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<v Speaker 1>to visit schools regularly. This was great in terms of

0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.800
<v Speaker 1>helping educators, but it was also really savvy and that

0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:50.040
<v Speaker 1>it meant that the next generation of soists and thus

0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:54.760
<v Speaker 1>customers was always getting support from Simplicity. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>one of those people who took homech in school and

0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.439
<v Speaker 1>had a sewing project like an apron or a basic

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:01.879
<v Speaker 1>garment as well part of your school work. That is

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<v Speaker 1>thanks in part to the materials that the Simplicity Education

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Department provided schools with in its early years, setting the

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 1>tone for home at curricula for decades. Caroline Shapiro stayed

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<v Speaker 1>with the company until the late nineteen sixties, when she

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<v Speaker 1>retired after working for Simplicity for more than thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen forties, Simplicity started offering patterns that had

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<v Speaker 1>been designed to use as little fabric as possible. There

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<v Speaker 1>were also tips included for using the fabric from existing

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<v Speaker 1>garments to make something new. According to a stat on

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Simplicity's website, the war years were a boon for home

0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:42.800
<v Speaker 1>sewing as everybody was trying to economize. Before the start

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 1>of World War II, an estimated fifty percent of women

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.520
<v Speaker 1>in the US sewed, but by the end of the

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 1>war it was more than eighty percent. Simplicity was not

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<v Speaker 1>the only patterned company to meet the country's economic challenges

0:23:55.680 --> 0:24:00.760
<v Speaker 1>with simpler designs that required less fabric. Vogue also shifted

0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:04.679
<v Speaker 1>its design as slimmer silhouettes became more realistic for the

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 1>finances of soists when the country's financial picture grew brighter

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.639
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen fifties, though, Vogue was quick to launch

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 1>new couture campaigns, including a line developed in collaboration with

0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:20.879
<v Speaker 1>Christian Dior. Yeah, that's the point where you get that

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.480
<v Speaker 1>so called new look that he was coming up with,

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<v Speaker 1>which was like a very fitted, nipped in waiste with

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<v Speaker 1>a huge skirt that was very voluminous to create a

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<v Speaker 1>really sharp silhouette. And those skirts take a lot of

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:39.080
<v Speaker 1>yardage to make that beauty. So they quickly shifted gears.

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<v Speaker 1>But that ongoing effort to appeal to a wider audience

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<v Speaker 1>of economic levels really paid off for Simplicity. By the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen fifties, the company had offices around the world

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:54.280
<v Speaker 1>and patterns were sold in five dozen countries. The company

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<v Speaker 1>built on that success in the early nineteen sixties by

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<v Speaker 1>launching the Jiffy line of patterns, and this line was

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 1>designed to be approachable in every way. It was inexpensive,

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 1>relatively easy to sew, with few pieces to cut out,

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and generally Jiffy patterns had low yardage requirements. With Simplicity's

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>star on the rise, Butterick made a move to stay

0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.440
<v Speaker 1>relevant in nineteen sixty one when it purchased the Vogue

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Patterns license. Vogue was and still is the pattern company

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:27.640
<v Speaker 1>most associated with high fashion designs, so this was an

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>interesting move for Butterick to make. It sent a message

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 1>that the company wasn't competing with simplicity, but was going

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<v Speaker 1>after different soists, that being the ones with more money.

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<v Speaker 1>This was emphasized when the company launched pattern lines like

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<v Speaker 1>Vogue Paris Original, Vogue Designer Original, and Vogue Couturier Design

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<v Speaker 1>and its continued efforts to establish and maintain relationships with

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>fashion designers like Dan von Furstenberg, Donna Karen and Issimiaki.

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<v Speaker 1>Another pattern company and he emerged in the nineteen sixties

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<v Speaker 1>that was Quixo, which was launched by Kirsten Martinsen McMaster

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty seven. She was born in Sweden in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty eight, and she had studied fashion and patterned

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>drafting in Europe before moving to the US when she

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:16.920
<v Speaker 1>was in her twenties. That was a move she made

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>for her job working for Viking Sewing Machines, and one

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>of her jobs with Viking was designing patterns for a

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 1>newly growing sewing trend. Working with knit fabrics. She eventually

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:30.640
<v Speaker 1>branched out on her own to create the So Knit

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<v Speaker 1>and Stretch Company in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and then seven years

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.920
<v Speaker 1>after it launched, it became Quickso in nineteen seventy four.

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<v Speaker 1>Kirston was the driving force behind Quixo until her death

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and two. The company was purchased by

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 1>McCall's in twenty eleven and continued until twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>when McCall stopped producing all of the garment patterns under

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the brand to focus just on crafts, and it has

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:59.640
<v Speaker 1>since been sunset completely. By the time Quickso had been

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 1>sun set, all of the Big four were part of

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:07.240
<v Speaker 1>one company. In two thousand and one, Butterick and McCall's merged,

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 1>which meant that Vogue was also part of that deal.

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<v Speaker 1>This had been something of a survival necessity following the

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.880
<v Speaker 1>sewing boom of the nineteen fifties and sixties. Things had

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>really dropped off as more and more women had entered

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the workforce, so there was just less sewing being done

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>in most US homes. Butterick was close to going out

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>of business when the McCall's merger happened at the time,

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>soists were kind of suspicious of the deal, with some

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 1>concern that there would be fewer choices in the designs

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:41.719
<v Speaker 1>available if there was no competition. But each company established

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 1>and maintained its own clear brand. Then things happened pretty

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 1>quickly in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen. First, in twenty sixteen,

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 1>CSS Industries, which was largely a gift wrap and holiday

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>items brand, bought McCall Pattern Company for a reported fourteen

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 1>million dollars. The following year, CSS bought Simplicity Creative Group

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>for sixty four million dollars. It seems kind of like

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a monopoly, but the Federal Trade Commission didn't think so.

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>CSS was then acquired by IG Design Group and twenty

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.479
<v Speaker 1>twenty for a reported eighty eight million dollars. Hey, you

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 1>know we started part one. It was because the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Four were being sold off from IG Design Group as

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:29.880
<v Speaker 1>IG Design Group Americas to Hilco, a liquidation company. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>while I was working on this, DGA filed for Chapter

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 1>eleven relief. In a July third write up on the

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>filing that appeared in Business Wire, it was reported quote

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<v Speaker 1>the company intends to pursue a value maximization strategy by

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<v Speaker 1>engaging with buyers who were interested in purchasing certain of

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the company's business segments as a going concern, while concurrently

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:55.239
<v Speaker 1>winding down its domestically manufactured woven ribbon products business and

0:28:55.240 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 1>supporting assets. So this seems and it's all so neus

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<v Speaker 1>like it might be hinting that there could be some

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<v Speaker 1>entity at least in discussions about possibly purchasing the pattern

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>companies and keeping them going, but that is unclear and

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 1>the future remains very murky. I as I said before,

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<v Speaker 1>one percent expect for all of this to change in

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the gap between when we record and when we publish.

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>If there's an actual development, maybe we'll do a pickup.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see what happens. Maybe. So one of the things

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that's troubling for alsoists is that these pattern companies are

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the only ones that print large scale tissue patterns. So

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>if they're completely shuttered, smaller pattern companies that ran print

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 1>jobs with them will no longer have any options. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I just want to say, if in the

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<v Speaker 1>time between when we record this and when stuff comes

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>out or shortly thereafter or whenever, if you see articles

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>allege that all of the pattern companies mismanage their money

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>and made silly decisions. Uh, just like think about the

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 1>fact that they were acquired by private equity. Yeah. I

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 1>mean when businesses that you love go out of business

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, man, what happened, and then you suddenly

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>read articles about how they sold too many lobster dinners

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. A lot of times that wasn't the problem, right,

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>And I mean we could talk more about this on

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, but there is also that thing that

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>happens in a lot of industries where some business interest

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>will have a surge in popularity and there will be

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 1>a huge effort to move capital behind it to expand

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 1>that part of your business. Yep, and then that business

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>falls off and you're like, uh, oh, Spaghettios, that's not

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 1>really mismanaging money. I mean, there can be money mismanagement

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 1>in there, but it's also like moving to meet the

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>needs of a market, and then when that market vanishes

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 1>or dis pates for whatever reason, Yeah, you have to

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>have an exit strategy. And sometimes, unfortunately, the exit strategy

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>is we gotta sell list we got a fold or yeah,

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 1>be acquired by someone. Yeah, do you have listener mail?

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<v Speaker 1>On a better note than any of that. Uh, I mean,

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I think it's on a better note. It's about Edwen

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Howard Armstrong. Okay, great. This is from our listener, ed

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>who writes high Holly and Tracy. I have to say

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 1>that I absolutely loved your podcast on Edwin Armstrong. I

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>have a BS and electrical engineering, and when I took

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>my first course in radio for my undergrad the instructor

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 1>described a super heterodine concept as the Armstrong superheterodine. I've

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>always wanted to know more about Armstrong, and now I

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>have a great idea as to who Armstrong was. I'm

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>retired from engineering now I'm a veteran. Thank you for

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 1>your service, but I still love learning about the history

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 1>of engineering. My graduate diploma is in aeronautical engineering, so

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm waiting with baited breath to hear a story about

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>a woman aeronautical engineer or three. For our other listeners,

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Tracy sent a reply to ed with some suggestions of

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>things that we've recorded. I got addicted to your show

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 1>several years ago, and I love the detail that you

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>bring to each subject. I especially love your female focused episode.

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I am the father of two daughters and even more wonderful.

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I agree with your views on our current state of

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 1>political affairs. Please keep up the incredible work and know

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>that my two grown daughters and I love to listen

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and discuss your shows and spread the word to anyone

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>who we feel would be interested in your show, which

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>is damn near anyone. For now, I'm enclosing pictures of

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 1>my three fur daughters, who are grown but live with

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>their father, unlike their sisters on two legs. Take care

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 1>and thanks again. These cats are so cute. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a very very fluffy kind of buff with darker tone

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 1>color elements that looks like she might be Sassafras. I

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>love everything about it. That is Sydney, who is also

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 1>known as Bubbles after the Powerpuff Girls. It's always getting

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>her sister's into trouble. Listen, I love the Powerpuff Girls.

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>You give me all the PPG references you want, because

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm here for it. And then there is a beautiful

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>black tuxedo kitty named Pepper who is the eldest and

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the biggest troublemaker and instigator of all that is mischievous.

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>And then Sterling who is called Linky. She was Sterling

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Silver when she was born and apparently briefly resembled a

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>sausage link when she was filling out as a kitten,

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 1>which is how she got the name Linky Linky. I

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 1>hope this isn't the case. Linky looks like one of

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>those cats that is a little bit emo. She's a

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 1>little in her feelings. This is what it looks like

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 1>based on this phono, but she could also just be

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>having a moment of curious focus. Your babies are so beautiful,

0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 1>ed thank you for sharing them with us, and I'm

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 1>so glad that our Edwin Howard Armstrong episode was enjoyable

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>for you. I always worry anytime I'm talking about someone

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>or something in a field that is not one I'm

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 1>super hype a knowledgeable about. Like I try to read

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<v Speaker 1>as much as I can and get as much foundation

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 1>under my feet before I start running, but I always

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>worry I'd miss something and someone in that field will

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 1>be like you are a ding dong, which is possible,

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 1>could always happen. If you would like to write to

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