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Speaker 1: Everybody. Welcome to Between the Hornsedies Wednesday, May eighth, at

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Speaker 1: eleven am Pacific time on the dot Defarland. Nice mate,

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Speaker 1: did you survive Sinkle Demyo. Obviously you're here. I did. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I tried not to appropriate cultures, but you can have

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Speaker 1: fun and I got and dance. I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 1: I had a Sinco de Mayo Kentucky Derby crossover event. Nice,

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Speaker 1: so drank Margarita's on Saturday instead of Sunday. Interesting, watched

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Speaker 1: the derby. Nice ended in very I would call historic fashion. Really,

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Speaker 1: I mean it is historic. I'd say par for the

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Speaker 1: course in sports. Well right now, yeah, right, another controversy, Well,

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Speaker 1: did you see the Saints? Like tweeted right as that

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Speaker 1: was happening, like a no, I ignore everything coming out

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Speaker 1: of New Orleans. Just ignore it now, I'll let it go. Um.

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Speaker 1: I saw the Jimmy Buffett thing. Oh dressed Come on, man,

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Speaker 1: dress is a blind referee? Let it go? You know, God,

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Speaker 1: good Lord? Anyway, but go ahead. Yes, no, but it

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Speaker 1: was an interesting sports weekend. Yeah, sure, not bad, not bad? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Canelo one again? Yeah, he's my new Oscar de la Hoya. Um,

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Speaker 1: I always root for him to lose and he never does. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he drives me crazy. Why did you root for us?

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Speaker 1: Because the only people will Half the people that showed

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Speaker 1: up to see him fight were women. Oh and they

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Speaker 1: were there to see him, so not you. It's a

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Speaker 1: hate thing. Oh yeah, yeah, it's always It sounds more

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Speaker 1: like a jealousy thing to me. But when Oscar one,

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Speaker 1: it was good for everybody, trust me, especially in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: It's like the Yankees. Yes, everyone's happy. Even if you're sad,

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Speaker 1: it's still good. Yeah, it got it because there are

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Speaker 1: more people for the for the Yankees an Oscar than you. Yeah, exactly. Um.

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Speaker 1: But we've also now had a week to kind of

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Speaker 1: digest what this Ram's draft class is interesting. So do

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Speaker 1: you have any more impressions that you like to start off? Ah,

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Speaker 1: you know, um, let me think, um funny looking at

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Speaker 1: the defense as it's currently stated on the death chart, right,

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Speaker 1: I think the only funny thing right now when you

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Speaker 1: look at it, it says Tanzel smart as the STARTI

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Speaker 1: knows tackle right, that is kind of funny as of

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Speaker 1: right now, right, I mean, I think that could be

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Speaker 1: more of a gate keeper status until you figure out

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Speaker 1: who's the guy and it could be him not saying anything.

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Speaker 1: You never know, um, but look at this defense as

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Speaker 1: a four three and count Fowler as a defensive end, right. Okay,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and say that Brockers is your other end,

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Speaker 1: Donald and then whoever it knows tackle? Right, So you've

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Speaker 1: got three linebackers to put on the field. Which three

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Speaker 1: guys do you put out there right now? Right now?

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Speaker 1: Clay Matthews, Corey Littleton and yeah, he's the starter, right. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it depends on what position

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Speaker 1: you're where you're playing Clay Matthews exact, amundo. And that's

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Speaker 1: what I think. That's the advantage of having him, depending

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Speaker 1: on where he lines up. So, say it's a you know,

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Speaker 1: So he's going to be one of those outside backers,

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Speaker 1: assuming right. So now you get to third long, Well,

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Speaker 1: you take Samson off the field and put him as

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Speaker 1: a pass rusher. Well, who do you bring in as

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Speaker 1: I think it kind of depends on the situation. I

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Speaker 1: think this defense this year is going to be kind

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Speaker 1: of a lot more package based, right, than maybe it

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Speaker 1: has been in the past, right, Because to me, I

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Speaker 1: almost would say, if you're lining up in the three

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Speaker 1: to four, you want to call at the fourth three whatever.

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Speaker 1: It is, just count Fowler is a defensive end. Fine,

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Speaker 1: he makes his money going forward. He does, he does.

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Speaker 1: So my thought would be at least on the early downs.

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Speaker 1: And I've not seen this, and they're doing stuff in

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Speaker 1: phase two, so we'll really get to see it once

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Speaker 1: OTA start in a couple of weeks. But my thought

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Speaker 1: would be, either Samson Abucom is at the linebacker spot

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Speaker 1: right where he starts, yes, at the outside, and Clay

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Speaker 1: Mathews is on the inside his inside right, or you

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Speaker 1: have Michael Kaiser as a second inside linebacker and Clay

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Speaker 1: you can roll to that. But and when you go

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Speaker 1: to nickel, which guy do you take off the field?

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Speaker 1: Who are who else is in there? Correct? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You might And That's what I'm thinking in certain situations, right,

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Speaker 1: Rap for Rape. It's a good spot for him, especially

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Speaker 1: So I think the versatility of Clay Matthews will definitely

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Speaker 1: he plays. I think Gaines is a guy you plug

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Speaker 1: That's yeah. I think it based on everything they were

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Speaker 1: saying during the draft, Yes, yeah, it seems like it's

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Speaker 1: the case. And unless I'm very very wrong and miss

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Speaker 1: my and wildly miss my guests, like let's just say that,

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Speaker 1: Zell smart to begin with, Then what do you do

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Speaker 1: with Sebastian Joseph Day? And I'd be shocked if he

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Speaker 1: wasn't the guy that was in the mix early on

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Speaker 1: in camp and stay that way. Yeah, unless he completely

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Speaker 1: lets it roll down his leg, which I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't see happening. Yeah, thats do I say that without

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Speaker 1: saying that leg No, I I agree with you. I

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Speaker 1: think the interesting thing is going to be to see

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Speaker 1: what that nos tackle competition looks like, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: at least today as we sit here, it seems like, yes,

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Speaker 1: Tenzell Smart would have the leg up basically because of experience, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's been here long exactly, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be his third year right on

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Speaker 1: this defense. He's been in the system with Wade Phillips. However,

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of practice time, right. Yeah. However,

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Speaker 1: Chick fil A on Sunday. Okay, he's not played much rush,

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Speaker 1: Ethan Westbrooks was a part of that, the shame of

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Speaker 1: it for him, right, the the best spot for him

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Speaker 1: on this defense and in anybody's defense, but just for

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Speaker 1: the Rams, it happens to be filled by Aaron Donald. Sure,

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Speaker 1: yeah right, good luck. I mean that's the best spot

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Speaker 1: what I mean? So good luck there. So you're only

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Speaker 1: I think they told you how they feel about that

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we know as much about Sebastian

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Speaker 1: Joseph Day and what he could possibly do in that spot. Yeah. Agree,

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Speaker 1: and in meetings. Can he retain you know what I mean? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And it's funny and somebody asked, and you put this

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, like which undrafted rookie free agents will probably

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Speaker 1: have the best impact. We'll go through history. It's either

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Speaker 1: receiver or a down lineman. And sometimes it's not the

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Speaker 1: Joseph Day. Can he be that guy. It's not that

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It's a one gap situation.

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Speaker 1: But if you're constantly making mental errors, even small things,

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing, especially playing next to Aaron Donald, right,

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Speaker 1: If you're the nose tackle, if you think you can

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Speaker 1: you're whistling Dixie. So part of that job, I mean

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Speaker 1: nonverbal way, the better it's going to be for the

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Speaker 1: played much next to Aaron Donald, but they've seen him play.

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Speaker 1: develop that chemistry as opposed to you know, the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years where it's been all right, you know,

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Speaker 1: you have the contract thing. Oh yeah yeah, and he's

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Speaker 1: not here, right, So that does seem to have at

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Speaker 1: but you're going full speed and somebody touches the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: how everybody just kind of stops, Hey, whoa? Or somebody

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Speaker 1: the same thing. Hey, whoa understand where he's going and

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Speaker 1: how he's seeing it and what his ability is. You

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Speaker 1: have to think beyond yourself. The guy can make a

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Speaker 1: to do it. I mean, there's nothing he doesn't do well,

424
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and he can only get better. Uh,

425
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: and he's not a wild card Maverick guys you have

426
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: to live with that. Give up big plays because they

427
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,919
Speaker 1: make big plays. I like steady corners that are in

428
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: position to make plays, you know what I mean. And yes,

429
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 1: that to me, will will get you into the postseason

430
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 1: more than guys that are that are pick six threats

431
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 1: or just six threats. He may he missed touchdown, Oh

432
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: he got it touchdown for us. You know what I

433
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: mean right, yes, yes, I know what you're saying. Yeah,

434
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 1: but what you now have is somebody who could play

435
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, but you don't have to thrust him

436
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: into that role if he's not quite prepared for it. No, No,

437
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,479
Speaker 1: but it's it's but it's it's like Sam Shields, right, Uh,

438
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 1: it's it's a great guy to have in case, in

439
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: case of emergency, Brake Glass put him out there. Yeah,

440
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 1: and he can also fill a special team's role, which

441
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: is huge, you know what I mean. And he can

442
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: probably handle a full bones fossil load coming out of Michigan.

443
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: That's why I like Michigan guys. They're prepared to play.

444
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: You you said that last week too, you know what

445
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: it was just what is it just about Michigan guys, Michigan? Well,

446
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever been up to ann Arbor

447
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: and how they how the fan base treats it's play.

448
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: It's like going to Green Bay. It's it's the amateur

449
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: version of Green Bay. It's it's everything, um, and they're

450
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: all like, look, there are a lot of There was

451
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: a Heisman Trophy winner on the defensive side of the

452
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: football there, yes, Yeah, so it's that was damn near

453
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: it was twenty years ago, but those pictures are it's

454
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: like playing It's like playing receiver or running back at

455
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 1: sc back in the day. You know, the guys that

456
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: came before you are all great, and they're not. The

457
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: fan base isn't going to be impressed with average fair

458
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: just to start out there. So it's the same with

459
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: Michigan corners. Well, it's part of why you know hardball

460
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: right now is having the Yeah, the perception of what

461
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: Harbaugh is right now is because they're not winning right

462
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,959
Speaker 1: championships titles. I just read something about Harbaugh. It might

463
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: have been with Long that he was trying to decide

464
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: between Washington and Michigan, and Harbaugh climbed a tree. Yeah, right,

465
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: really you had to climb a tree. Damn, what if

466
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: your coach can't do that? That's not fair. Oh, ask

467
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: you about milk or something, right right, I don't. I

468
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 1: don't know anything about that. What the Rams are doing though,

469
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: right now, is sort of interesting because they're not having

470
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: a rookie mini camp a lease in the traditional sense.

471
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: They'll hold sort of a tryout camp because there's still

472
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: a couple of open roster spots that the Rams have

473
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: right now, not many. Basically after you factor in the

474
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: nineteen undrafted free agents. I think it's either three or

475
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: four spots left on the ninety man roster. So the

476
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: Rams will do that over this coming weekend and then

477
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: the rookies will get here on May thirteenth, so that's

478
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: next Monday. So you know, you've gotten questions about like, oh, well,

479
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: why don't we have any rookie press conferhences or anything

480
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: like rookie numbers. We don't have that because they're not here. Yeah,

481
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: we don't know them. Why are you laughing though? I

482
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: just I just your first day as a pro, you know,

483
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: the first day you step on the field. I mean

484
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: that's I like having rookie mini camps because it's like

485
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: college light, right, you know, you get you get that

486
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: nervous energy out, and then it's They always warn you

487
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: it's going to be different when the veterans come in,

488
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: so you kind of get prepared for that, you know,

489
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: or just throw them in with the vets and see

490
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: how they do, you know. But it's just that first

491
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: day as a pro when you realize that I'm on

492
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: the field. This is practice. I've done this my whole life,

493
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: except I don't have to go to class in the afternoon,

494
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I have money in the bank. Yay.

495
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: You know. So that's it just made me laugh. Take no,

496
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: take me back, though, I want to know about your

497
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: like your first day as a pro ohm Sean Landetta,

498
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: the the NFL's first million dollar punter. I think that's true.

499
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: At least that's what he told me, and that's what

500
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: they told me about him. He pulled me a side.

501
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: This is how he broke me into the business. Great guy.

502
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: I used to love hanging around the specialist. But he said, look,

503
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: if you make all you have to do is make

504
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: one or two plays a game and they'll pay you

505
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: a million bucks a year. It's kind of true, right now.

506
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: Think about that, right Who would want to give that up? Really?

507
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: All I have to do is do what I've done

508
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: my whole life and make one or two plays and

509
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: they'll pay me a million bucks. This is a great job. Yeah.

510
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: So I remember that day and it just it took

511
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: all the pressure away. You know. It's it's nothing different

512
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: from what you've done your whole life. It's just football.

513
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: So when you came into the league, though I don't

514
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: know that I've ever asked you about this, and maybe

515
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: this is not the best time, but I'm going to

516
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: do it anyway. It must pay these chairs because you're

517
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: getting into interview mode. Look at him, do you see

518
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: him get comfortable? Oh my god, you're about to interview

519
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: me ahead. I am a little okay. So, I mean

520
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: you have heard those who don't know. I mean, you

521
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: were an undrafted free agent. So what was the process

522
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: like of you becoming a Ram? Oh well, I just

523
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: read this about Oh god, which quarterback was it? Was

524
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: it Browning, the Washington quarterback that signed for one hundred

525
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: and forty thousand as an undrafted rookie free agent. That

526
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: was a record. I think at one point in ninety

527
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: four the Rams gave me forty thousand, and that was

528
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: unheard of back then, Like they couldn't believe it. So

529
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: so backing up the draft ended, I wasn't drafted, obviously,

530
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: and then the phone rang off the hook right crazy,

531
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: So it's it's a bidding war for my services whatnot.

532
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: So I got to choose where I wanted to go,

533
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 1: chose the Rams. So I still didn't really you know,

534
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: put all this together. All I knew was I had

535
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: a place to go and go play great. I can

536
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: care less about the draft. Let's play. When it hit

537
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: me that I was undrafted is when I got into

538
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: the locker room and I was sharing a locker with

539
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: another guy, and I'm like, oh, hell no, you guys

540
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: have got me wrong. You know what I mean? Yes, right,

541
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: But this is where I have to start. I have

542
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: to share a locker with a dude. I have tape

543
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: on my helmet with my last name, so because they

544
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: don't know it, no one knows you. So from that moment,

545
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to make sure they remember who

546
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: I am every single day, every minute of every single day,

547
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, But the bad part

548
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: about being an undrafted rookie free agent is it never ends.

549
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: That feeling never goes away. Even in year six and seven,

550
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: you still feel the same way. Well is that a

551
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: bad thing though, because doesn't that sort of fuel your

552
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: competitive spot? Is when you see the first round guys,

553
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: they're relaxed, you know, training camps coming, you know, yeah,

554
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: I'll be there because they know they're gonna be here,

555
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's a little bit different

556
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: for you know, the guys that are picked the chosen,

557
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: so to speak, than the guys that weren't. Was there

558
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: another team that you were close to going to the

559
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: teams that were using that scheme? Actually, the Rams weren't.

560
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: I just wanted to stay on the West coast. Um well,

561
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: half worked out really well. Was using undersized guy guys.

562
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: Minnesota was using undersized guys. And did I say Tampa, Tampa,

563
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: Minnesota and Cleveland because they had Michael Dean Perry. Yeah,

564
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: they were. They undersized guys weren't in style in ninety four,

565
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: and then a year after they came back into style,

566
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: that's when Warren Sapp came out, right. Yeah, So my

567
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: year it was all about being huge because Gilbert Brown

568
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: had just won the Super Bowl in Green Bay, so

569
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: they thought everybody at that play d line had to

570
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: be three hundred and forty pounds. I came out at

571
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: two sixty, you know what I mean. Yeah, So a

572
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: year later, it's like, wow, I should have been in

573
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: that draft, you know what I mean? Probably, Yeah, it

574
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: was a little bit different. You could have played for

575
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: Belichick if you'd gone to Cleveland, could have. Yeah, And

576
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: Nick Sabin I had a lot of phone calls, man,

577
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean they were like this. The first time I

578
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: heard the the term of the phrase priority free agent. Yeah. Yeah,

579
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: I had no idea what that meant. I thought somebody

580
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: was playing a joke on me, Like I was drafted

581
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: and you guys didn't call me, and you're calling me now,

582
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, one of those weird things. Well,

583
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: but interest what's interesting? I mean, I once talked to

584
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: you the former coach of Columbia football, which I know

585
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: means a lot, but Pete Mangurian, he when his guys

586
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,239
Speaker 1: his name was Josh Martin. I think he still is

587
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: on the Jets, but he was playing for Columbia at

588
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: that time and the draft was coming up. And what

589
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: Mangurian was saying, because he was a former NFL coach,

590
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: he had coached in Atlanta actually with Wayne Phillips and

591
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are with the Rams now

592
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: they coach with him, and he had also be with

593
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: New England and Bill Belichick. What he was saying is

594
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: that sometimes when you get into that seventh round, and

595
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: he started getting later into the seventh round, it's almost

596
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: better to not be picked because then you get to choose. Yeah.

597
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: Do you know who Bruce Allen is, Yeah, the president

598
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: of the Washington Football club. He was. He was my

599
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: first agent really, so he told me the same thing.

600
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: Like I'm talking to him and I'm like, the entire

601
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: draft has gone by, and it's like the seventh round.

602
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: I hope I get picked. He's like, I hope you don't.

603
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: You're fired. You know. He's like, just relax. I know

604
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. He's like, it's almost better for you

605
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: not to be drafted. Now. You know, you could call

606
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: your shot. But you know, when you're a kid and

607
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: you watch the entire draft, especially when i'd say after

608
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: the first three tackles maybe the first two went off

609
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: the board, I'm like, you're taking this guy over me.

610
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Oh really, Okay, you're gonna live to eat that. But

611
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: he's like, it's almost better if you don't get drafted now, right. Yeah.

612
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: And so when you then get to the Rams and

613
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: you start and you're in rookie mccamp and then you

614
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: start getting integrated to the veterans, what was that process

615
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: like for you? Oh? Man, it was rough because I

616
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: don't look like them, so and I did this and

617
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: I have me and you don't look like them, like

618
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, big Sean Gilbert was huge. Yeah, Sean Gilbert

619
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: played at pitt. You know, when you have the All

620
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: Decade team or the All Pit Team, Aaron Donald's name

621
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: is out there, and Sean Gilbert's out there as well.

622
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: So I think he was third or fourth pick in

623
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: the draft a year before I got there. And he's

624
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: six six. They had just signed Johnson Jimmy Jones from

625
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, and this was like the first the

626
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: beginnings of free agency when guys started to move around.

627
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: And he's six four or six five, so all these

628
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: guys are huge, man, and I'm you know, six feet

629
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: six one, so they're like, he's a camp body, right. Yeah.

630
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: So at first, you know, not a lot of attention.

631
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, I talked, I asked questions. They knew me,

632
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: but they didn't think i'd be here. After the first week,

633
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: the first month, the first couple of preseason games, they

634
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: started to treat me a little bit differently, Oh, he's

635
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: one of the guys. And then towards the end started

636
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: to lobby for me to be one of the starters,

637
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: even over some guys that were there the year before.

638
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: So just put you on the field and let you play,

639
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: and let's just play speak for you. Yeah, right? Is

640
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: that a tough process, just as a rookie. Did you

641
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: feel isolated in some way when it was like they

642
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: don't think I belong here? No? No, no, I mean

643
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: as you could tell. I mean, like I said, I

644
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: have to apologize to London Fletcher. I did it to

645
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: him when he walked in. I mean, okay, so I

646
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: think I'm in year four or five. I'm an established guy,

647
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: so I know the difference between a draft pick and

648
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: camp bodies. I know what they look like. So here

649
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: comes London Fletcher, who's five to seven. Hey, what position

650
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: do you play? Middle linebacker? Okay, I won't I don't

651
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: need to know your name. Well out of the small

652
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: school from a Cleveland suburb, he went to John Carroll University, right,

653
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: So like this, I can understand why you might feel

654
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: that way about this. You know, this guy, even if

655
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: you can play, there's no where they're gonna let you

656
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: play because you're so small. You know, you're not very tall.

657
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: And within a week, okay, this guy just keeps making

658
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: freaking plays and then he winds up being your starter.

659
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: So you know, you kind of make that you kind

660
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: of prejudge people when they walk in, and then you

661
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: see how they perform on the field, and if they

662
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: keep making plays, you'll learn their name sooner or later, right,

663
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. Was there a moment where you,

664
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe doubted that you might make it? Hell? No, God, no, no,

665
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: absolutely not. And I hate to say this about the

666
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: guys that was in the room with because I have

667
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: nothing but respect for anybody I've played with or against.

668
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: But I'm like, there's no way I'm getting beat out

669
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: by you. You know, this is what I keep telling you, Miles,

670
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: when I'm shocked when people say I can't play out

671
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: of both dances, aren't really you know? Or you know

672
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: we look, we need a left tackle this week. You

673
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: know we're shorthanded over here. Well I can't play left tackle?

674
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: Why I can't play with that hand down? What? Okay,

675
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: I'll do it? Or I can't play three technique of

676
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: nose tackle? Oh really I can? You know we need

677
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: you to play defensive end? Sure, absolutely, you know what

678
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: I mean. You just have to have that sort of game.

679
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: So no, I never doubted myself or an eye blink ever.

680
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: Was there a moment where you felt like you changed

681
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: the coach's minds about you? Well? Wait, the only time

682
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: I did doubt myself, but it was like, not I

683
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: can't do this is I It was more of I

684
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: need to get better. The first time I ran in

685
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: the Jackie Slader and and let me to be more specific,

686
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: I ran into his fists right, yeah, I mean his

687
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: pass that it wasn't legal what he did, and he

688
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: dropped me right and I'm looking for people to say tell,

689
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, like tell him that's illegal, and no one

690
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: said a word. I'm like, oh, this is the pros.

691
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: It's well, you were going up. I'm sorry, You're also

692
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: going to be against Jackie bleepan slater who had been

693
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: in the league for what seventeen years, be technically sound

694
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: as any tackle you're ever gonna see, and on a

695
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: practice field could get away with murder, you know what

696
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean. So you you better be able to protect

697
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: yourself out here, you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah,

698
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: because no one cares about you. If he rolls you

699
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: up and breaks you in half, they're gonna come out

700
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: with a spatula, scoop you up, throw you off to

701
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: the side, and get the next guy in. Yeah. Yeah. No.

702
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: The coaches, though, was there was there a moment where

703
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: it was like all right, I'm now convinced that that

704
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: I belong here yet. George Dyer was a D line

705
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: coach and he brought in I thought, I told you

706
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: the story. No, this is the We're going into our

707
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: fourth preseason game of the year. I don't mean you

708
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: might have told me the story, but I don't know

709
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: that you've told him. This is my rookie year ninety

710
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: four and we're going into the fourth preseason game of

711
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: the year. And he brings in me and Mark Boutet,

712
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: who was last year's starter, and he told us, look,

713
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: I can't make a choice. We can only keep one

714
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: of you. So whoever plays the best tomorrow gets the job, right. Yeah,

715
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: So right then he told me, like I convinced him,

716
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: I can play. And it was so tough on him

717
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: that he's going to have to cut a guy that

718
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: he likes, you know. So right when he said that,

719
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: I in my head, I said, Mark, I'm sorry you're

720
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: going home because there's no way you're out playing me

721
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: on game day. This is my dream. All I have

722
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: to do is out play one guy, not the world.

723
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're going down. So I think in two quarters,

724
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: what two tackles were lost in a sack. Yeah, yeah,

725
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: it was that. It was a Now I didn't play

726
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: the scheme correctly at all. I was just freelancing my

727
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: ass off. I'm just gonna make plays, right, I'm gonna

728
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: get the crowd on my side, absolutely well. And that's

729
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: what you have to do as a guy. If they're

730
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: gonna tell you whoever plays better in this game, that's

731
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: who we keep. Yeah. Usually, and it's interesting. I don't

732
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: usually feel like, at least nowadays, only something this coaching staff,

733
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: that's what happens. No, you know, because there is so

734
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: much that goes on in practice and meetings, and you

735
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: have to know if those guys can retain information how

736
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: they do. There's just so much that goes into it.

737
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: During the regular season. Absolutely, preseason you want to see

738
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: who can play. Morgan Fox when he made his name

739
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: in sixteen in the final preseason he did was just

740
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: go up the field and make plays. Yeah, constantly. We

741
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: don't know if he was doing it right or not,

742
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: if that's what he was told to do or not,

743
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: but what we did see was him making plays. So

744
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: when you have an opportunity to go out there and

745
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: play and it's vanilla and you know, it's vanilla when

746
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: you this is how you know it's vanilla as a

747
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: fence player an offensive player. When you hear the same

748
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: play more than once inside of ten plays, we're just

749
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: it's it's the same stuff and you're not subbing no

750
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: matter what they bring out. So it's it's wreck shop time.

751
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: It's not about being right, it's about making plays. Yeah,

752
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: it is the fourth preseason game especially. Yeah, well you

753
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: talk about Morgan Fox. That's probably a big reason why

754
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: he's still here because the Rams know that he can

755
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: make plays. They've seen him do it, They've seen him

756
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: in the rotation. Yea, even though he's coming off of

757
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: an acl this year. And that's somebody that we didn't

758
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, as we were talking about Claim Matthews, Sampson,

759
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: abucom Morgan Fox can maybe make some noise in that regard.

760
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely be a depth guy, a rotational guy who knows

761
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: at one point he was a front runner until he

762
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: got hurt, right, he was a guy we talked about

763
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: a whole lot. So last year. Yeah, last year. I mean,

764
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: we'll see how that goes for him and where you

765
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: can actually use him. But that's the versatility of a

766
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: claim Matthews and the different looks that you can use.

767
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: You could sub him at outside backer or stack him

768
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: as an inside backer and then filling around him with

769
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: different looks depending on what look they give you, you

770
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it just makes you more

771
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: versatile as as a defense. So just sort of put

772
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: a bow on the conversation that we were having about you,

773
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: which are you like mad about this? No? Okay, no not.

774
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: I did sort of put you on the couch. He

775
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: crossed his legs, he got it. I love it. Well,

776
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: was a cigarette and this was like the nineteen sixties.

777
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: I know, we're in the comfy chairs, man, Like I'm

778
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: starting to get into my elment. One are those little

779
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: skinny suess skinny tie? I could see you back in

780
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: the day, maybe like Malcolm X style, right, yeah, that

781
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: would definitely enden me um. But when you see like

782
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: how rookies are getting integrated into things now, and you

783
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: know they don't have too much pads. They don't do this,

784
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: they do that. Are you jealous? No? I no, god no,

785
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: I personally I think if they would have their druthers,

786
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: they'd rather do it the way we did it way

787
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: back when. Really you're a football player. Man, contact is

788
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: a part of your life. This whole safety thing is

789
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, That's what I'm saying that,

790
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: And I mean, like I would bet that, especially for

791
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: guys at the end of the roster, I would bet

792
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: that they want to go back to the days where

793
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: you can actually put pads on and change and turn

794
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: heads in practice versus everything is you know, in sweats.

795
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 1: I get it. It's safer, you can play longer. If

796
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: this were if Andrew Worth, we're playing back in the day,

797
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: He's probably not playing this year because he wouldn't be

798
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: able to make it through camp at thirty seven. And

799
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: he probably wouldn't have John Sullivan last season because he

800
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be able to make it through training camp.

801
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yes, yeah, so this is

802
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: better for older guys, extend your career. Does it make

803
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: you a better football player? Okay, debatable. Well, it's just

804
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: it is the way it is now, which is why

805
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: the Rams put so much emphasis on the mental aspects

806
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: of the game. Basically is what you're saying. You don't

807
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: have as much practice time generally, right, and you're not

808
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: going in pads and you know, you know, I think

809
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: for guys like Aaron Donald. If he could have actually

810
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: practice us in pads more, he would be better now,

811
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: which is scary to say it is. Yeah, you know what,

812
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: I also agree with you. Yeah, yeah, you know it

813
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: would make him a sharper football player if he was

814
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: able to go full speed more. John Randall was a

815
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: guy when when I was playing up in Minnesota, I

816
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: hear horror stories about like even on non pad days,

817
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: he would show up in full gear because that's just

818
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: how he worked and everything was full speed. That's how

819
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: he worked, and that's how he played on game day.

820
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: I bet he would really tick people off. Oh yeah,

821
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: but good luck challenging. Yeah yeah, don't you get a

822
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: guy who's established like that, Like if that's how he works,

823
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: it's how he works, and you know what he makes team.

824
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 1: I've seen two people, right, two people like they talked

825
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: a great game. I'm gonna do this to John Randall.

826
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: He's not gonna do this to me. I'm gonna punk him.

827
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: I want to do this. And it all went away

828
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: when they saw him just as soon as they like

829
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: broke the huddle and turned around and there he was.

830
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: You could just see the confidence just ooze out, like oh, okay,

831
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: this is different. I bet people feel the same way

832
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: about Aaron Probably. Yeah, well, the guy he just beat

833
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: as a bum. I can't wait to line up on

834
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: the guy and then you break the huddle in there

835
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: he is and you're like, oh, okay, I see it. Listen.

836
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: He's one of the top players, top players, I should say,

837
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: in the league, no doubt for a reason. You see

838
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: him hopping around, you know, warming his legs up right

839
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: before like a third down pass rush, and if you

840
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: notice nothing on his body is jiggling, well that's kind

841
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: of scary. Like then this guy is two eighty all muscle,

842
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: and he's mad. Favorite questions to ask him is what

843
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: is his body fat percentage? And then he'll get mad

844
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: if it's like five, Yeah, he's like it was a

845
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: little high. I didn't like that. Ridiculous wrong with you.

846
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: He's dude, He's the gold standard. That's what everybody wants

847
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: to be. And I I you know, I no, there

848
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: is no debate even coming out of you know, Tampa,

849
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: when you hear about Gerald McCoy, Gerald McCoy would have

850
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: been McCoy is what the three technique used to be.

851
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: This is what it is now with ninety nine. It's

852
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different. And Joe McCoy is not

853
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: a bad football plays a great football player. Yeah, ten

854
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: sacks seasons are are going to be pass a because

855
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, ten sacks seasons. What's so interesting is imagine,

856
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Donald had forty one quarterback hits. If

857
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: he's a half step quicker, imagine how many more sacks

858
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: he would have had. Oh yeah, right, right, Um. If

859
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: this is somebody who really could challenge that record, I

860
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: bet Wade Phillips. It's a challenge for Wade Phillips if

861
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: you have if you were able to go man more,

862
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: he gets more sacks and more pressures. You know when

863
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: you have to you know when you have to play

864
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: zone and back off some It gives a quarterback an outlet.

865
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: So it's Aaron insurance. You know they're spreading the field.

866
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: I have a I have a dump a dump off

867
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: valve with the football in case he gets too much

868
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: pressure and man, you may have to hold it then

869
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: you get hit. Right, yeah, right exactly. Um. There are

870
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: a couple of transactions that I do want to go over.

871
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: There's sort of minor, but they are major in a

872
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: sense that they affect special teams kind of a lot um.

873
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: The first one, safety, Blake Countess, was waived late last

874
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: week and the Eagles picked him up. The Rams wanted

875
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: him back, probably at a lower salary number. Not probably,

876
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: I should think they did one him back at a

877
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: lower salary number, but the Eagles didn't claimed him. So

878
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: now Blake Countess goes back to the team that drafted him. Cool.

879
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, I loved him in the role they had

880
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: him in, and I think that he could have been

881
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: a good safety. And I think that's the problem. Yeah,

882
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: when you when you say I think you know this,

883
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: you just don't know. And at that price, I don't

884
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: want to be thinking. I want to know, right, Yeah,

885
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: and how you're going to be using him. So I

886
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: mean you go from him to a rookie, you know

887
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, a guy you can build in program.

888
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: And you've also got somebody like Marquis Christian. Yeah, you

889
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: can still take reps at safety if you know that

890
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: safety became a position where you had more players than

891
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: you had spots for. And I'm happy for Blake Countess.

892
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, man, Maybe you get into the

893
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: two D. Maybe you wind up playing there. More than

894
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: you would here. I mean, think about it. You're not

895
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: going to replace John Johnson the third No, Eric Weddle

896
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: is going to be a starter, and they just drafted

897
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: Taylor Rap Yep. Yeah, so Philadelphia might be the best

898
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: spot for you. It could be. So I know they

899
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: have Rodney McCloud still in Philly, so it's another former Ram,

900
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: but there could be some opportunity there for him, so

901
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: wish him all the best. But you also have Bryce

902
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: Hager who is now back after resigning on a one

903
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: year deal right this week. Big it is, yeah, another

904
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: he is a captain. He's a captain worthy type guy.

905
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: So when Jared Goff gets busy in the regular season

906
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: and he's got media, he's got treatment, he's got this,

907
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: he's got that, Todd Gurley's busy, Aaron Donald's busy, Well

908
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: you still have a captain in the room, a veteran guy.

909
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: So when the rookies think it's okay to start playing grabass,

910
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: well this veteran walks in. Who does it right? You

911
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yes, you can stop all that

912
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: can keep everybody focused. I think this is a great

913
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: signing for the Rams bringing back Hagar. Somebody who played

914
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: probably the second most on Special Teams last year. So

915
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: you talk about having a captain in the room, somebody

916
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: who really knows what's going on. It really was Bryce

917
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: Hagar and Mark and Blake Countess who wore those two

918
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: guys that were playing on the vast majority of Special

919
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: Teams units. So at the very least, you now have

920
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: one of those guys back who gives you a little

921
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: bit more. Um, I guess savvy and know how it

922
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: can explain what John Bones Fossil wants from each of

923
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: his Special Teams units. Yeah, I think it's I think

924
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: that's very helpful we describe it it was like a

925
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: swat unit. And I hate even saying that right now. Um,

926
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not the guy that blocked the punt.

927
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: It's the guys that went through the door first that

928
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: are most important. Well, Hagar's you're through the door first guy? Yes,

929
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yes, we need to eliminate

930
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: this guy or block this guy for this to work.

931
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: So it seems like Joe Joe Nats is the most

932
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 1: important play on this point. Return actually was Hagar because

933
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: he just eliminated their best Special Teams guy going down

934
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: the field, You know what I mean. Yes, it's a

935
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: huge get for the RAM. Not only that, but he

936
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: still can beat your backup middle linebacker and defensive signal caller.

937
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: And that's pretty huge because it's somebody that you sure

938
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: what you sure? Backup? Oh my sure? Why there's a

939
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: spot out there? I'm just saying, well, I'm saying from

940
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: a signal caller standpoint, you already have Corey Littleton who

941
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: did it. True, But there is another inside linebacker spot

942
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: there is, right, That's what I'm saying. So he's been

943
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: a backup for a while at some point, like you said,

944
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna find your way to the field maybe, yeah.

945
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: So I mean there's at least there's another person to

946
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: compete for that inside minebacker spot with MIKEA. Kaiser. When

947
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: was he drafted twenty fifteen, seventh round twenty fifteen Michael

948
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: Kaiser's fifth round last year. Okay, so a second year

949
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: fifth rounder or a fifth year seventh rounder who's going

950
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: to be better? Don't know, That's what I'm saying, right,

951
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: Why would this job automatically go to a second year,

952
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: fifth round unless you say, like, look, Clay Matthews is

953
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: the guy on first and second downs, you know, third down,

954
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: if it's a passing situation, you bring in Taylor Rap

955
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: to be the iob Yeah, I don't know. And see

956
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: for me, that's what I was saying earlier about it's

957
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: a package defense, no doubt, and for me, nothing is

958
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: off the table. And I don't know if you were

959
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: here or not, and I can't remember the names, but

960
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: it was the Rams had gotten down to a two

961
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: centers playing at the same time because you were hurt,

962
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: so they came up with something tricky where you didn't

963
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: know who the center was when they broke the huddle.

964
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: It worked, It did, did it, and it absolutely worked.

965
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: It tricked people because all of a sudden, they're they're

966
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: lined up in the same spot, but now this guy's

967
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: the center. Now you come out in the same formation,

968
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: Now this guy's the center. You see what I'm saying.

969
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: I see what you're sacking, But it sounds so gimmicky.

970
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: You know what you needed to back then. I'm just

971
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: saying back then, but look, if you did slide in

972
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: a Bryce Hagar to the field and you loosened up

973
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: a Corey Littleton to be a playmaker. I like Corey

974
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: Littleton as a running hit guy. Oh me too. Absolutely.

975
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: I like Corey Littleton unleashed where he doesn't have to be,

976
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, tied to the football as an inside backer. Sure,

977
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: so you have options with Clay Matthews and now Hagar

978
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: coming back. Yes, you definitely do. And that's I think

979
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: is what the Rams have been kind of striving to,

980
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: getting to Underwade Phillips a defense where you have options. Yeah,

981
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: because last year you kind of didn't, you know. Yeah,

982
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: Well it's funny. It's it's kind of what the Patriots

983
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: did in the Super Bowl, right, you know, same guys,

984
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: different more about matchup, Yeah, same same guys, different spots.

985
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: And how do we count this within the offense? You know,

986
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: and you better count it correctly or you're going to

987
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: be stuffed for pretty much all day, right, Yeah, right exactly.

988
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: OTAs will start soon. As we sort of mentioned earlier

989
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: in the show, what are you most looking forward to see?

990
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: I just like the guys getting back on the field,

991
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: the enthusiasm. The biggest question we get I would bet

992
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: you get it too, and I hate even talking about it,

993
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: is the Super Bowl hangover? Yeah. I did see that

994
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: question a couple of times. It keeps coming up. It

995
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: keeps coming up, So it's not out of the players

996
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: because everything is new and the pressures are different. You know,

997
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: you were safe last year. Now you've got a you know,

998
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: a priority draft pick behind you, so now it's different

999
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: for you. Your complacency is out the window, not that

1000
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: there's anything to begin with, but the players are always

1001
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: going to be enthusiastic. I'm looking for the coaching staff

1002
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: as well and how hard they coached for the last

1003
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: couple of seasons. So I guess I'll make that determination

1004
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: about the Super Bowl hangover when I see the coaches

1005
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: hit the field on OTA's right. Yeah, the one thing

1006
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: I'll never forget, oh gosh was if you're walking, you're wrong.

1007
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: That was day one of Sean mcbay's training camp. Well,

1008
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: that same sort of mentality needs to kick in or

1009
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: be here for year three. That's what I'm looking for. Yeah, yeah,

1010
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: I will. I am just looking forward to seeing how

1011
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: guys react to some new situations in terms of, Okay,

1012
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: you've got now a new defensive line coach. How does

1013
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: the defensive line look? How did they react to you

1014
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: having this new coach? Right? You know, tight ends have

1015
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: a new coach as well, What does that look like

1016
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach? What does that look like? What does Blake

1017
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: Bortles look like in a Ram's uniform under Sean mcvay's system.

1018
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: How sharp is he when they're kind of going through

1019
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: things against air and then going through things and they're

1020
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: not padded. Those are the things that will really interest

1021
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: me throughout OTA. It's gonna be fun, man, It's gonna

1022
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: be fun. It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be challenging.

1023
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: You know watching this when you mentioned Blake Bortles, because

1024
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: you know what's going to start. If one day he

1025
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: just happens to look better than Jared in this drill.

1026
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: No exactly, I just so get ready for it. Get

1027
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: ready for it. I know, so silly. He didn't come

1028
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: here to be the start. I'm just saying, high call.

1029
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: Just get ready for it. And that's not just the quarterbacks,

1030
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: the running backs too. You're right, especially given the way

1031
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: that Todd Girley's knees been a topic and we'll probably

1032
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: continue to be a topic into week three, right, And

1033
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: I call it the Sam Conato effect. What now? Sam

1034
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: Conato was a guy that made the Rams roster on

1035
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: one carry in preseason. Oh, he went eighty eight. I

1036
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: think every other running back on the roster and in

1037
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: preseason was like three point and and and below. Yeah,

1038
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: and he had one long run. Okay, we have to

1039
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: keep him. Drove this up. Have you been watching the

1040
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: NBA playoffs? Oh yeah, I love all that. I love

1041
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: what James Harden does to people, and not just on

1042
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: the floor mad He gets people worked up. Do you

1043
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: think the Rockets can win that series? Absolutely? Yeah. Do

1044
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: you think they will win that sea Probably not? Yeah,

1045
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: probably not, But yeah, I think they can win it absolutely.

1046
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: But um, whenever somebody starts like a sports talk conversation,

1047
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: whenever they start with all you have to do is

1048
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: just leave the room. I don't know how people keep

1049
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: falling for that. James Harden step back. All you have

1050
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: to do is right, okay, all right, you get your

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Speaker 1: butt out there. Lay Thompson is one of the best

1052
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Speaker 1: defenders in the league, right right, right, and all he

1053
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Speaker 1: has to do is not get in James Harden's face

1054
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Speaker 1: and let James Harden then move forward while he's got

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Speaker 1: his hand up and then he puts his hands back

1056
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Speaker 1: behind him and oh, by the way, it's still a foul,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Right right, This is elite shooting right an

1058
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: elite scoring and elite creating fouls from James Hart. Just

1059
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Speaker 1: appreciate the guy. He's good. He's very very good. He's

1060
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: a great basketball player. O. Funny. Steve Young back in

1061
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: the day would get everybody with the pump fake and

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00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: run huh everybody. So we practiced it, we wrapped it,

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Speaker 1: We talked about it. We talked about it right before

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Speaker 1: we took the field. Right here he comes, pump fake.

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Speaker 1: I'm six feet in the air looking up undern We

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Speaker 1: just talked. When I landed, I looked to the side,

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00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: I saw my d line coach go like, we just

1068
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: talked about it. I know, But it's different when it's

1069
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: coming at you. It is, yeah, because you're trying to

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Speaker 1: do something. Yeah. In Philadelphia, though, what's going on with

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Speaker 1: Ben Simmons and Joel and Beat? I know Joel is sick. Yeah,

1072
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Speaker 1: but oh my goodness, I jokingly called Ben Simmons my cousin.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if I really want to do

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Speaker 1: that right now, you can, I'd roll with that man.

1075
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Speaker 1: Absolutely funny or Drake say, you know, no, my thought

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Speaker 1: about them, this is my basketball analysis. It seems like

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00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: they don't know who they want to be, right, just

1078
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: go through and bead Man, just go through the big. Well,

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Speaker 1: they were trying to do that on Saturday or Sunday's game,

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Speaker 1: and Sunday's game it must have been and just embad

1081
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: couldn't do it at the end of the game. Man,

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Speaker 1: But that's how I'm going to live and die. Well,

1083
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Speaker 1: I know, but man, if you're dying like that, it

1084
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: was almost like I texted somebody like they got to

1085
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: get him beat off the floor, but they can't take

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00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: him off the floor because he's in bad. Right, I

1087
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: go through the big I think they got to go

1088
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: through Butler a little bit more, you think. So see, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna live and die with my big especially in

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Speaker 1: the postseason, I feel that, Yeah, I feel that. Who

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Speaker 1: do you think will be in the NBA Finals? You know,

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Speaker 1: I'll think didn't Charles Barkley say Milwaukee could win at all?

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Speaker 1: And they laughed at him, And for the life of me,

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00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out why Milwaukee is pretty damn good

1095
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: and that Greek freak is unbelievable. He's amazing. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if it's Milwaukee. But I'll go

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Speaker 1: with the Warriors, Okay, yeah for the safe bet. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it'll probably be Milwaukee Warriors, and I think

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00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: the Warriers will probably win, especially if Kevin Durant continues

1100
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Speaker 1: to go dumb off like he has. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think that. I think that they won't be able to defeat.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to get If the Warriors are playing

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Speaker 1: at their best, I don't think anybody else can match that.

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Speaker 1: I think this year they're gonna have to go maximum

1105
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,479
Speaker 1: security in the Kentucky Derby. You're gonna have to elbow

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Speaker 1: a few people. I'm dead serious. I'm dead serious. It's

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Speaker 1: not just the Warriors a head and shoulders like are

1108
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: better than everyone. There's some teams out there that could

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Speaker 1: beat you. There are. Yeah, you're gonna have to get nasty.

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Speaker 1: That's what happens when you've been at the top. Everybody

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Speaker 1: else starts catching absolutely. I mean when you see the

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Speaker 1: Warriors on the parade float and it could happen. All

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Speaker 1: these guys should have band aids, yes, and gauze pads. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it should be nasty. Like the last couple,

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Speaker 1: they look all clean faced. Yeah, this has got to

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Speaker 1: be different. Yeah, it is interesting. Watching the playoffs this

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Speaker 1: year because Lebron is no longer on the calves and

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Speaker 1: so I don't really have a vested rooting interest, so

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Speaker 1: I'm just enjoying the hell out of it. Wow, so

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Speaker 1: the earth wasn't flat? Yeah? Yeah, everybody thought like, if

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Speaker 1: we don't have Lebron in the postseason, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be boring. Really, I'm having on the last too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: every night except for last night where they were both

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Speaker 1: defeated by twenty, but you know, all night will hopefully

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Speaker 1: be better any other parting shots. All you gotta do

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Speaker 1: is all right, everybody, thanks so much for tuning into

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Speaker 1: this edition of Between the Horns. For DeMarco, for Miles Simmons,

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.