1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and sixty. 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: We are going to be talking goals today, always a 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: favorite topic around here. How we've done on our twenty 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: twenty goals, such as we've been able to accomplish over 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: the past few months, and any goals for the rest 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: of the year. And it turns out that Sarah has 16 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: been setting goals for a long long time. Sarah, would 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: you like to tell us about that? So we had 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: this episode planned and then serendipitously, my sister took a 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: trip to visit my parents in near Laura, actually outside 20 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: of Philadelphia, and during this trip she uncovered a stack 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: of papers that I definitely was not able to find 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: over my last few visits there. And there were some gems. 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: There's like a typewriter short story that looks terrible that 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: I wrote. There are some really embarrassing diary type entries 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: that somehow I was compelled to like type out in 26 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: what looks like word perfect and then print out like why, 27 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. And then there was one that is 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: slightly less embarrassing but kind of funny. That is a 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: goals list that I wrote in nineteen ninety six, and 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: I set goals pretty much the same way, So nineteen 31 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: ninety sixty or what sixteen, that's exactly sixteen. I had 32 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: just turned sixteen, because it was a summer nineteen ninety 33 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: six list. There were some pretty humorous categories. The first 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: one said intellectual and was mostly Violin related stuff, plus 35 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 1: to read times, to and gloss the Scarlet Letter, which 36 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: was the summer reading book. There was a fitness category 37 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: which included items such as work on cheer jump and gymnastics. 38 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: There was an other category in which I wrote get 39 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: a good tan Ha, which meant that my sixteen year 40 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: old self knew it was ridiculous, but I was determined 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: to do it anyway, a financial category with an item 42 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: that said, don't buy tons of clothes, and then a 43 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: category called guys, which I will not be detailing here 44 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: because it is absolutely mortifying your goals for your guys, 45 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: ordering on diabolical and just no. So other than the 46 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: guys category, we no longer have a category called kinds. 47 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: I feel like I still do this very similarly, except 48 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: now I tend to diviye them into like work, personal 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: and other, and other has now taken to mean blog 50 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: and podcasts for the most part. So that's just so funny. 51 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: I mean it literally like looked like a formatted page 52 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: that could have been from from now, and it was 53 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: from twenty four years ago, because you are who you are. 54 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: And I feel like I've been living close to this, 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: you know, artifact of early Sarah goal setting for all 56 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: these years and didn't know that it was buried with 57 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: treasure a few miles from my house. Yeah. Now I'm like, 58 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: what else is there? Well, my sister dug up some wow. 59 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean wow. Anyway, so I'm excited to talk about 60 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: goals today because we're overdue. We usually do two goals 61 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: episodes per year, but for obvious reasons we got a 62 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: little behind in twenty twenty. Yeah, I was trying to 63 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: think back to what, you know, what my twenty twenty 64 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: goals were, and sadly, I think I wrote them on 65 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: a slip of paper for recording our episode about our goals, 66 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: and then possibly threw that out, which is about how 67 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: we can think of twenty twenty at the moment. I mean, 68 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's good stuff and bad stuff and all that. 69 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I did some things, you know. I got 70 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: a childcare arrangement for the summer. I knew that our 71 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: long time nanny was going to be on leave and 72 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: so I needed something set up for the summer that 73 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: would support my re entry to work, which has looked 74 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: a little different than I thought it would, but to 75 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, still pull that off. We became a family 76 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: of seven, you know, we folded Henry into the mix. 77 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: I think he's felt welcomed and the other kids have 78 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: you know, enjoyed becoming a larger family. And you know, 79 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: did I did sell another book. It was on a 80 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: topic I didn't know I'd be writing about at the 81 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: beginning of the year, but that that happened, so that's exciting. 82 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean, but the other stuff, you know, I was 83 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: just not within your control. I mean, like, I, well, 84 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: I could run a marathon on November seventeen or whatever 85 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: date it's supposed to be, but I probably won't given 86 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: that it was canceled. So Sarah, how about you? How 87 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: have you been doing on the twenty twenty goals that 88 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: we set before or all this changed and happened. Okay, 89 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't remember if you did or not, 90 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: but I did kind of revamp my goals list for 91 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: the pandemic. But I think when I did that, I 92 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: was thinking that it would be like for a few months, 93 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily the rest of twenty twenty. So 94 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, you know, a lot of 95 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: the goals that I set are fairly pandemic friendly, and 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: then the few that aren't, I kind of replace some 97 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: of them. I feel like maybe in your case, well, 98 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: first of all, I just want to say, I think 99 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: you've done more. Maybe you didn't write them down as goals, 100 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: but considering the fact that this was a new baby 101 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: year for you, you you actually did a ton. I mean, 102 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: I think people forget that that year, that first year 103 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: after each new baby, at least for me, is like 104 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: survival year, Like you make it through each day, You've 105 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: met a goal, and you've continued to do all your podcasts, 106 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: and you're writing, and you released a book, and you're 107 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: active on everything else. I mean, like you've actually kept 108 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: everything going well. Nursing a baby every fifteen seconds, which 109 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: is roughly I think that's about the timeline. Yes, so 110 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: I think that whether or not you put them on paper, 111 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: which probably was smart not to commit yourself to a 112 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: million different things during that baby year, you actually did 113 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: a lot. Yay, let's go with that. But how about you, 114 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: So you've you've done several things, You've read a bunch 115 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: of books. Yeah. So I had a goal of forty 116 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: books for the year, and it's so funny. I like 117 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: just calculated, like, okay, well, am I on track? And 118 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: I kind of fractionated the month, and if I were 119 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: to estimate the exact same rate, I would read like 120 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: forty point eight books in twenty twenty. So apparently book 121 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: reading speed, not pandemic impacted, at least for me, So 122 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: that part is good. I one of my pandemic goals 123 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: was that I wanted to start doing many petties, and 124 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned on a prior episode. This is 125 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: like a splurt that I think I may no longer 126 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: need to do, so that's it's going, Okay, I need 127 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: more skills, but at least I've attempted. I feel like 128 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: I've had more success on my feet than on my hands, 129 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: because I you know, but that's hard. Yeah, hands are hard, 130 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: and then you mess it up. But that's true of 131 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: professional manicures too, in my experience. So I don't know. 132 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: I was going to cut Cameron's hair, but then I 133 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: decided Josh would be better at it, so that was 134 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: rightfully outsourced. Ooh, the eighty day obsessions. So at the 135 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: last time about this, and so we must have done 136 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: like a pandemic goals discussion or something, because I remember 137 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: mentioning it and you were like, well, how far along 138 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: are you? And I'm like number twelve. But now I 139 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: had just completed work out number seventy one this morning, 140 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: so I feel like, I can, you know, feel pretty 141 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: good that that goal is going to become to fruition. 142 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: It's a six times a week program, and I don't 143 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: think I've missed any I mean, there is a built 144 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: in rest day, so I definitely have one day a 145 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: week that I do nothing, but I'm pretty proud of 146 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: that achievement. I did work on my wardrobe, as I discussed. 147 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: I launched my podcast, so that was awesome and I 148 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: feel like it had a great initial response for a 149 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: niche pod is what I called it. Investment stuff, so 150 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: I was supposed to finish a state planning and stuff, 151 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: and we did do a little bit of investment cleanup, like, 152 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: for example, I had like five twenty nines that weren't 153 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: actually five twenty nine. It was just like a category 154 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: and my budget that said five twenty nine, and now 155 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: they're actually five twenty nine. But then the funny thing is, 156 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure I should have wait, I should have waited 157 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: for the market to fall again, but yeah, so's it's 158 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: up like crazy over the past couple months, by the way, 159 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: So like if I had only just crossed that one 160 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: off my list in March, but no, I didn't. So 161 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: but now they actually exist, so that's cool, and you know, 162 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: we have a lot of years for them to fall 163 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: and recover again. So that's okay, especially for gen v Hannabelle. 164 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: Not as many let's see organized declutter the home no fail. 165 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: I got through like half no, maybe like forty percent 166 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: of that project, and then decided that that on top 167 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: of the eighty day Obsesson and I was going to 168 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: have to pick one because the eighty day workouts were 169 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: long and it's just it was just too much. So 170 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: I tabled that because maybe in the fall I will 171 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: feel more I don't know, inspired. Yes, yes, I'll be 172 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: done with eighty day and can do shorter workouts and 173 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: then I don't know. I had a lot of other 174 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: goals that I had taken from my yearly list that 175 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: I decided we're still like worthy in the pandemic era. 176 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: I think we could do a best of both worlds 177 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: install live or something. I had a meet up. Yeah, 178 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: I don't see a meetup happening. Maybe we should do 179 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: like a live Q and a one time on install 180 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: like that. I just I just did an Instagram live 181 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: the other day with something, so of course you and 182 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: I could do one together as well. That would be great. 183 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Is it hard? I've never actually done an install live. 184 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: I don't think so. But with a live portion does 185 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: terrify me slightly? Like what if something comes out of 186 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: my mouth and I'm like, I can never take it 187 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: back it's live? But well, I mean, if you ever 188 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: do radio or television or anything like that, that's the 189 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: same thing. So, you know, just everything too stupid. I'll 190 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: try not to. And the irony is like we do 191 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: so little editing on the podcast that it almost might 192 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: as well be live, so I should just get over it. 193 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: But okay, yeah, so maybe an install live that would 194 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: be fun. And then cooking Sunday dinners. You guys have 195 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: been doing more family dinners, so I don't know if 196 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: that was a goal or not, but it was achieved 197 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: without being a goal. I mean, hare's and we've achieved 198 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: things that we may have wanted to do just because 199 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: of life going as it goes. But yeah, we eat 200 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: dinner together as a family pretty much every night. Who 201 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: usually cooks it depends right now. Michael tends to cook Friday, Saturday, Sunday, 202 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: sometimes Monday, sometimes I do Monday. I tend to do 203 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: Tuesday and Wednesday, and then we order in on Thursday. 204 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: So that's amazing. You have a rotation. I love to 205 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: we do. I feel like I have not done every 206 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: Sunday this year, but it has become a much more 207 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: routine thing, especially because Sunday is now my grocery shopping day, 208 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: and so you know, I can. I don't actually have 209 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: to like plan that meal for in advance. I'll just 210 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: buy whatever. And I'm pretty proud of the like crab 211 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: dinner I made at Annabel's request, I got some she 212 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: wanted snow crab. They had dungeness crab figured close enough 213 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: and we dipped it in butter and it was amazing, 214 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: and as is anything dipped in butter. So Sunday dinners 215 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: have been good. I did do a forty eight hour 216 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: screen free experience during Memorial Day weekend. That was pretty fun. 217 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to develop a meditation habit, which I have 218 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: been doing just using headspace. And I wanted to get 219 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: a work bag that zips that has really fallen down 220 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: the priority list and mostly sporting back and forth. Yes, 221 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: and then finally I had wanted to try orange theory, 222 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: but then I you know, subbed in the eighty day 223 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: obsession instead. So yeah, I feel I actually feel like 224 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: pretty good about this. You know. The funny thing is, 225 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: I've on my other podcasts and everything I'm I've talked 226 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: a lot about like the timeframes at which I typically 227 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: make goals, and I have yearly goals, and then quintile 228 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: goals and monthly goals. I kind of like zero in 229 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: from there, but I didn't actually make any quintile goals 230 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: this summer. Yeah, I don't know. I guess I'm just 231 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: not feeling that excited about goals at the moment. I 232 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: don't know. There may be long list of Laura goals 233 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: from the past in some you know paper files somewhere. 234 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: My parents sold their house a couple of years ago 235 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: and downsized, or like a year or two ago actually, 236 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: so I got a lot of my old papers back 237 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: from their attic and basement and things like that. But 238 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: I haven't really gone through all that much to see 239 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: what my various New Year's resolutions or goals may have been. 240 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: But I do know that on our basement wall there 241 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: have been a couple kid goal things that are listed. 242 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: So one of our nannies a few years ago had 243 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: the kids write down their goals, or she helped them 244 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: write down what they wanted to do. It's really cute 245 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: because its stuff from when they're like four, you know, 246 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: like they want to try a new food, which I'm 247 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: not sure if or have ever happened, because when if 248 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: they ever wanted to try new foods. These may have 249 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: been assisted goals somebody else telling them it would be 250 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: good if you wrote this down, or score a goal 251 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: in soccer or something like that. But those have been 252 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: up there. We tend not to take stuff down off 253 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: the basement wall once it's up there, so it's like 254 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: a kid's twenty fourteen goal still up there on the mirror. 255 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll save that for them in the future for 256 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: them to do. But yeah, I don't know. It's like 257 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: he said the newborn year, it's hard. You can set goals, 258 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: but there's a limited amount of energy on a day 259 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: to day basis. And you know, Henry's doing well. He's 260 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: growing rapidly. I've gotten him to finally sleep more in 261 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:58,239 Speaker 1: his crib, which is good. You know, there'd been various issues, 262 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: so you know, to get a little bit of a 263 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,599 Speaker 1: reprieve on that, and he's sleeping a little better. I 264 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: have some goals, I mean, exercise goals. I'm just kind 265 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: of releasing myself from a lot of that right now. 266 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: I had that long running street going that ended at 267 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: the end of last year, and I haven't wanted to 268 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: start anything like that, and I wasn't going to run 269 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: the marathon but when that was canceled, I was like, well, 270 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: I don't really feel like setting another one. So I'm 271 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: just kind of running here and there and doing what 272 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: I can. And you know, I had the few things 273 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: I want to do in the fall. I want to 274 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: do a leaf peeping trip, you know, have that to 275 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: look forward to. Maybe it's a long weekend. Well, why 276 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: don't we take a quick ad break. We'll be right back. 277 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: We are back again. Yes, what a strategic break. We 278 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: just had actually shocked that no one has wandered into 279 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: my office as well. We are recording this not at 280 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: our usual time, and at least on my end, not 281 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: with the usual childcare backup. So this is an adventure. Yes, 282 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: it's always an adventure, and we're figuring out how to 283 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: deal with that. So yeah, I would say a leaf 284 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: peeping trip, and I want to do a personal retreat day. 285 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: I would like to get away by myself for a while. Amazing, 286 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: So we're you gonna like drive somewhere remote and like 287 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: sit in a cabin? I think yeah, probably. And as 288 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: Henry becomes more able to take a cup and you know, 289 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: solid food, that becomes more of an opportunity there This 290 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: past weekend we took the big kids fishing, and so 291 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: we had to drive an hour and a half to 292 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: the lake and then we're on the lake for like 293 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: four hours and then drove back and he did well 294 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: with it. You know. I was gone for about seven 295 00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: hours and he survived. So it's it's becoming more of 296 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: a possibility than it would have been maybe like two 297 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: three months ago. So I'm looking forward to that. I think, 298 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, just having any sort of quiet individual time 299 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: right now sounds really really good. So we can set 300 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: that as a goal that sounds wonderful. Anything else you 301 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: wanted to set for your rest of the year, you know, 302 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that. I feel like I 303 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: more just want to keep working on the list I 304 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: kind of gave, like I don't think I have I 305 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: don't think I have room for anything in addition to that, 306 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: given you know, the challenges that are likely up ahead 307 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: with different school schedules starting and some virtual and some not, 308 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: and just the challenges of finishing out this crazy year. 309 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: So no, I think I'd like to just you know, 310 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: keep my new podcast going and keep working on Maybe 311 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: I'll go back to the organizing challenge that I started. 312 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: I will say So the organizing challenge, by the way, 313 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: was the Lisa Woodruff's Organized three hundred and sixty five 314 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: or her one hundred day program, which she actually gifted 315 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: to me, which was very nice of her. I I 316 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: think it's a great program. I just got tired and 317 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to resume it. But I just pre ordered 318 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: her book and it came to the mail the paper 319 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: organizing solution, So I would like to I don't mean 320 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: like the paper on my desk, like I'm very good 321 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: at that kind of stuff. This is more like your 322 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: tax documents and like your you know, receipts, Like we 323 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: have this file cabinet which is like functional, but it's ridiculous, 324 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: like it's just kind of overflowing with like ten years 325 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: of stuff. And I feel like that's the purpose of 326 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: her book is to help you figure out what you 327 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: need to actually keep. So I would love to streamline that. 328 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: And I don't think it'll be a huge project, more 329 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: like a like two solid days during nap time or 330 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: something like that. Maybe I'm fooling myself, but I guess like, 331 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: actually it will be the rest of your life if 332 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: I limit myself to like I'm just going to weed 333 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: through this cabinet and not like try to corral everything 334 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: in my house. Then hopefully that wouldn't be enormal. So yes, 335 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: that would be a goal. And similar to your personal retreat, 336 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: I would love to have one night where our nanny 337 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: takes the kids home and she's offered to do this, 338 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I want you to do this, 339 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: but I want you to do this like when I 340 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, so I can look forward 341 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: to it and like know that it's going to be 342 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: like a nice date night and we can maybe sleep 343 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: in the next day. And yeah, so that I guess 344 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: that's my other not too ambitious goal. Those sound like 345 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: great goals. Yeah, I mean I think with with goals 346 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: in general, I mean we can go in and out 347 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: of our excitement about them and our level of ambition 348 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: over time. And as we've talked to you, even if 349 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: you set goals or don't set goals, good stuff still happens. 350 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're always on the lookout for 351 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: cool stuff and cool opportunities that might be there, and 352 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: so these things are not either or Sometimes we can 353 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: not set specific goals but just be open to things 354 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: that do come. And you know, that could be a 355 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: good as well. All right, well, let's go to our 356 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: Q and A. We have a question from a listener 357 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: who says, what do you do when your kid won't 358 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: listen to your nanny? Also, does your nanny help with schoolwork? 359 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: Mine has mentioned that she wasn't hired as part of 360 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: the original job to be a teacher. So what do 361 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: you say, Sarah. I'll answer the teacher part first. I mean, 362 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: she's right, she wasn't hired to be a teacher. She's 363 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: probably not compensated like a teacher, and she probably was 364 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: doing other things that she thinks she still needs to do, 365 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: like maybe household tasks, so it might be hard for 366 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: her to wrap around helping with schoolwork. So I think 367 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: we have to be very understanding about that. I mean, 368 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: I personally am not the world's best teacher myself, so 369 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: to expect somebody else to just jump in and do 370 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: it is not so easy. So I think, you know, 371 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: for the teaching, a setting low expectations like, Okay, I 372 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: don't expect you to teach you. I just want to 373 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: make sure that you're supervising so that they're basically logging 374 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: on the way they're supposed to like, hopefully they should 375 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: be able to handle that, and then offering some kind 376 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: of raise. In our case, we did once the pandemic 377 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: started and we realized the kids are going to be 378 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: home and we knew that wasn't exactly what our nanny 379 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: had signed up for, even though she's done permutations of 380 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: that in the past when the kids were much younger. 381 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: We increased her pay and shortened her hours at the 382 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: same time because I didn't need her necessarily during the 383 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: entire commute. So, I mean, I did feel like it 384 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: was a lot for her, and it was. I mean, 385 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: it still is, but I feel like at least that's 386 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: soften the blow to not have to come in quite 387 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: as early and to get a little bit more for 388 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: the hard work that she's doing. So that's that part 389 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: of it for us. In terms of the listening part, 390 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: this part's hard, and I mean, I think it could 391 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: also be applied to not just a nanny, but a 392 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: babysitter or a family member, caregiver, h pair, whatever you 393 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: need to make sure that they're able to have their 394 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: own discipline structure with their kids that doesn't involve you, 395 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: Like if we're depending on you screaming at them or 396 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: telling them giving them consequences to listen to the any 397 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: like that doesn't make sense. It's better if your caregiver 398 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: themselves has things that they can leverage. In our house, 399 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean, this is who knows, Like I don't know 400 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: what some parenting expert would say about this, but the 401 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: most effective tool that we have right now is we'll 402 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: tell the kids, if you don't stop doing X, Y 403 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: or Z, you will lose x minutes of iPad time. 404 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: And that happens to be very effective in our household. 405 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: So our nanny can say the same thing and it's 406 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: equally effective when she says it. It's just that she 407 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: has to be very consistent and you know, make sure 408 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 1: that she follows through in it, and she has and 409 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: so they know that it's, you know, just as serious 410 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: when she says that as when we say it. So 411 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: I guess they have to be able to leverage some 412 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: sort of reward or punishment system or however you do discipline, 413 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: if you're going to expect that the kids are going 414 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: to follow the same behavior standards. And also I would 415 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: say try to stay out of it. Like if you 416 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: hear a little bit of a power struggle going on 417 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: between them. Your kids may be listening and sort of 418 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: waiting to see if you'll jump in, and I find 419 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: that if they learn that you won't, that sets the 420 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: standard of like, no, I'm seeing patients, I'm not going 421 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: to be stopping in the middle to arbitrate an argument. 422 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: So they kind of learned to work it out on 423 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: their own a little better. Yeah, this was definitely I mean, 424 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: this question. Wasn't afraid that this is a pandemic question 425 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 1: here because my guess is that a lot of people 426 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: were working away from the house and so you never 427 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: would have been partied to this event going on that 428 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: your kids were, you know, being rude or arguing or whatever. 429 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: And now you're at home and you're in your home office, 430 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: and so you can hear it, and so all of 431 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: a sudden, it's an issue that actually wasn't an issue 432 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: before for you. So treat it as also not an 433 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: issue now. Like you are working, and if you are working, 434 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: there is another adult in charge, and that adult is charge, 435 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: is fully in charge, which means that you know her roles, 436 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: her consequences, her dealing with the situation. You know, if 437 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: I've certainly had kids come in the past and try 438 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: to complain about a rule that has come down, and well, nope, 439 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm in here, I'm not get away. Not my business. 440 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: You know, she's in charge, not me, because if you 441 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: start getting involved in it, then it all just falls apart. 442 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: I mean, your character is being undermined. Your kid is 443 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, learning that they can try to pit adults 444 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: against each other, or you know that there may be 445 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 1: different consequences from different people or whatever else. But you know, 446 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: if you are working, then you are not in charge, 447 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: and that means whoever is in charge, can you know, 448 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: deal with what is going on. I think it's it's 449 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: usually not the case that you're going to be more 450 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: slack than the nanny is that they feel like can 451 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: get away. It's more that you don't want your kid 452 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: being rude to another person. Like it's really hard if 453 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: you hear somebody saying something that you're like, that's mean, 454 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: or that's rude or I can't believe my kids said that, 455 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: Like you want to come out and you know, lay 456 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: down the law like that is unacceptable. But you're going 457 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: to have to have that conversation later because otherwise you're 458 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,239 Speaker 1: just going to be interrupted all day. And that's not 459 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: what is supposed to be happening. You are supposed to 460 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: be working during that time. As for the teaching, yeah, 461 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean we certainly you know, our 462 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: nanny was doing the little kids stuff with them. I mean, 463 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, math like elementary school. Math is hopefully within 464 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: the realm of your caregiver, like that they can work 465 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: on or reading books with the kids or things like that, 466 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: setting up zoom. If you have older kids who are 467 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: home from school, that this is I don't think it's 468 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: fair to expect somebody to be like an algebra tutor 469 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: like that. That is not what they signed up for. 470 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: So if that's what you're looking for, then yeah, you 471 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: need to hire somebody and through like varsity tutors or 472 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: another service like that, who can work with your kids 473 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: on that stuff that is being assigned. Awesome, Well, I 474 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: think maybe that's something other episode. We'll discuss it further. 475 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: But it seems like there are myriad creative ways that 476 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: people have come up with to help with school other 477 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: than just outsourcing nanny our caregiver to help with virtual school. 478 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: So that's been sort of interesting to see. All right, 479 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: should we go to our love of the week. Wow, Yes, 480 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: this is a short episode since we know many of 481 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: you are not commuting as much as and just like us, 482 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: your kids are running into your office. We're trying to 483 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: do this during nap time with Sarah's Sarah doesn't have 484 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: child to heat today. And okay, so love of the week. Yes, 485 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: my love of the week is the Apple Notes app. 486 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: It's just that little native It looks like a notepad. 487 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: It comes on your phone, it's on your computer, it's 488 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: on your iPad. It's like built in there. You don't 489 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: have to download it. It's actually like it's great. It's 490 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: so simple, and I'm surprised I wasn't using it more before. 491 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: I always used it to some extent, but I've started 492 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: to really like open new pages, like I have now 493 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: one for each podcast and I put each episode on 494 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: a page, and I'm like, this is more organized than Gmail. 495 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: I like it. It works for work stuff too. It's 496 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: a good dumping ground. I never got into like ever 497 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: Note or any of those other things because I felt 498 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: like you had to open this extra third party thing. 499 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: And I know some people love them, but somehow this 500 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: feels more integrated with my devices themselves, because I do 501 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: use an Apple laptop and an iPhone, So yeah, Apple 502 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: Notes has grown on me. Well. My love of the week, 503 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: and I may have mentioned this before, is our small 504 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: camps that we've been doing. So the original summer spreadsheet 505 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: camp spreadsheet was obliterated through camp closures, but as we 506 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: have moved into our green phase of reopening, a lot 507 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: of smaller programs were able to open up for sort 508 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: of you know outdoor or limited attendance or you know, 509 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: socially distanced staff. And so my kids have been doing 510 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,959 Speaker 1: some of that. Alex has been doing a soccer camp, 511 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: Ruth has been doing a three day a week pottery 512 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: camp at a local studio here. My two older boys 513 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: have been trading off at a local arts center that 514 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: has offered in person teen and preteen studios, so learning 515 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: about our ceramics or magazine type drawing or Jasper did 516 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: one with a stage and screen makeup that was actually 517 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: really cool. He looked like a He did fake bullet 518 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: wounds all for himself, really really quite dramatic. But you know, 519 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: this is all stuff that is open and available, and 520 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: it's been really nice to get kids out doing something 521 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: and seeing somebody other than us for you know, three 522 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: hours a day. A couple of days a week, you know, 523 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: here and there, and I wish they could have gone 524 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: to these awesome camps that I had them set up 525 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: for all this summer. But since that's not there, I'm 526 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: glad that there's still been some stuff that we've been 527 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: able to do and they've been really good about. You know, 528 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: they just go out the door with their little masks 529 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: on and going to their camp and staying however part 530 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: they're supposed to be from other people, and you know, 531 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: it's good. So I'm glad for things that are still there. 532 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: They're probably just thrilled to be out and doing anything. 533 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. I feel like my kid, I 534 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: will say. I think initially was like, oh my god, 535 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: how will the kids wear the masks? But kids are 536 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: very adaptable and if it's just what you do, it's 537 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: kind of amazing how quick quickly they they're fine with it. 538 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: So that's great what you do. So all right, well, 539 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: this has been best of both worlds. We've been talking 540 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: about our goals among other things, and we'll be back 541 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: next week with more on making work and life fit together. 542 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 543 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore shoe Box on 544 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: Instagram and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam 545 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: dot com. This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. 546 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: Please join us next time for more on making work 547 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: and life work together