1 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: Hello, everyone to welcome to episode one two three, Yes, 2 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: one two three at the Heer Territory Podcast. I'm your 3 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: host for everyone. It's a Monday evening. It's day one 4 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: and a half, Day two of the Water Meetings, and 5 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm joined by Steven Tolbert. Stephen, how are you on 6 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: this quiet day in Dallas, Texas? Yeah? 7 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: What's up, Brad? Yeah, it's been you know, for the Braves, 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: it's been a you know, they had to flor of 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 2: those flurry of moves at the beginning, which was a 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: lot of clearing the deck for stuff they wanted to do. 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: And you know, Alex typically works pretty aggressively in November 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: and early December. So you know, if you'd asked me 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: had they added anybody by this point, I probably would 14 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: have said, yeah. So the fact that we're still here, 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: you know, day kind of like you said, day two 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: of the Winter Meetings, still relatively early in the off season. 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: We're still in early December. But yeah, we're just waiting 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: on kind of that first big addition for Alex and 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: for the team to see. You know, that first move 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: is going to tell us a lot depending on what 21 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: it is about, you know, how aggressive they're going to 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: be how much money they're going to spend. Assuming it's 23 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: not just a tiny little move, assuming it's actually something significant, 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: then we're going to learn a lot by that first move. 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: So you know, we're just waiting for it. 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: We're all on hold, and it's It was quiet, not 27 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: just for the brain but for all of baseball today. 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: As people might have heard this already, but we did 29 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: a podcast myself in Scott Coleman last night Sunday evening, 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: following kind of the day one essentially of the winter meetings, 31 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: where it was quite busy on Soto sign et cetera, 32 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: et cetera. Today was kind of the retrenchment back to 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: almost nothing happened as far as transactions so far today. 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: We're core of this podcast about ten pm Eastern. To 35 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: keep that in mind, things can still happen late night 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: as you're hearing this in the morning, but it's been 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: a quiet day. We should also say us South the 38 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: show we were part of aol Territory as a network. 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: They're doing live shows from Dallas all week long. To 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: check out All Territory and please subscribe to Hammer Territory 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: anywhere you get your podcast. We cover the braves all 42 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: year round. You can find us on Apple and Spotify 43 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: as well as YouTube. Please liked the video as you 44 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: were watching it on that platform. And Steve and I 45 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: are kind of just going to go through what did 46 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: happen today? A couple of news and notes. I'm pretty confident, 47 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: even with Steven and I who liked to talk, both 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: of us like to talk. It'll be a shorter episode tonight. 49 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: I think we'll see see well, I guess hold us 50 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: to that listeners at this point in time, Steven, you 51 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: want to the notes first? There are a ton of notes, 52 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: but we could just go through them now if you 53 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: want to do. Is that sound appetizing? 54 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: Let's do it all right? 55 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: So a couple of Braves related to things here, Buster Only, 56 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: who's been on this podcast before. Actually ESPN's Buster Only 57 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: floated out four teams for Max Freed today and they 58 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: are in order. The Giants, Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets. 59 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: No surprise there, but I think it's still relevant and 60 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: notable for the Braves that essentially every reporter and Buster 61 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: said us on our podcast what seven months ago, basically 62 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: everyone's acting like Max is gone. I had not seen 63 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: a single national or local to be honest reporter, even 64 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: giving it much credence that mask in return, Again, we've 65 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: been going out of our way to say it's not impossible. 66 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: I won't close the door until he's gone. But I mean, 67 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I'm finding it notable that 68 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: no one's even mentioning the Braves. It's literally it's like 69 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: Max is a free agent and the Braves don't want 70 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: to back, which I'm not saying that's the case. That's 71 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: the way it's been discussed, like they're not even on 72 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: the radar. 73 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it feels it's been that way for going 74 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: on like two years or like there was never there 75 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: was no like with Freeman. If you remember with Freeman, 76 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: like every single day it was like, you know, will 77 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: they are they having discussions? You know, it was a 78 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: topic among the beat writers, among fans, it was a 79 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: daily conversation about when is this Freddie Freeman extension coming? 80 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: With Max? Like it's it felt like it's been resigned 81 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: for like two years now where it's not even a 82 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: top like it's not even a topic of conversation, like 83 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: we talk about it every once in a while. Just 84 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: to kind of reiterate the point that no one thinks 85 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: he's signing with the Braves, and I don't think he's 86 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: signing with the Braves. There's nobody who's reported on it 87 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: that thinks he's signing with the Braves. Good God. Can 88 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: you imagine if he signs with the Mets, the reaction 89 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: of that. 90 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, actually I want to kind of. I mean, 91 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: I think we agree on that point, just for the record, 92 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: but I think the Max thing is just noting it 93 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: because it was another other team with the giants of 94 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: the team today that were kind of floated out there 95 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: for Max. No, some of the Braves. But hey, we'll 96 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: see while we're here, Steven mentioning the Mets. You weren't 97 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: on the show last night. It was me and Scott right. 98 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: Brian Snicker was asked today about how he felt about 99 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: up with the Mets, and I thought he gave a 100 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: very bride sticker answer. He's basically like, I don't care. 101 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: That wasn't a direct quote, but it was basically that, 102 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: which is the right answer. Like, if you're a brid sticker, 103 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: you just focused on your team within the division, et cetera. 104 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: But I do want to get your thoughts, like, what 105 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: do you make of this whole thing. The Mets are 106 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: in the vision. I said last night that I prefer 107 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: Soto going to the Mets versus the Dodgers if I'm 108 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: the Braves. But that's not a universal opinion. People already disagree. 109 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: But I saw it, and that's fine. I'm not saying that's 110 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: definitely gospel. That's where I lean. But what'd you make 111 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: of so to the Mets, given that, again, they're uh, 112 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: if not the number one rival, definitely in the top 113 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: two along with the Phillies fourth bricks. 114 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: Going to the Dodgers was the doomsday scenario in mind, 115 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 2: bringing u Atani, Freeman, Betts, and Soto with that pitching staff. 116 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: I mean, baseball is a weird sport when you get 117 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: to the end, but that's just that would be unbelievable, 118 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: quite honestly. So yeah, absolutely, I'm happier he went to 119 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: the Mets. I was really hoping to go to the 120 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 2: Red Sox. I thought that would be fun, just for 121 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: kind of some new blood, you know. Everybody just kind 122 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: of assumed it would be Yankees Mets, Yankees, Mets, Yankees Mets. 123 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: The Red Sox would have been fun. But I'm not 124 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: I mean, Steve Cohen, this is what he does like 125 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: this is his whole point of existing is to is 126 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: to make deals like this, and this is what he 127 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: said he was gonna do. And credit to him, he 128 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: did it like he quite literally put his money where 129 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: his mouth is. He signed. I mean, I love one 130 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: so to Wan so too is basically you know, he's 131 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: basically Ted williams At. I mean, he's a literally a 132 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: general once in a generation hitter. This is a true unicorn, 133 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 2: a guy that hits free agency this early, this young, 134 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: this good like you will never you can go the 135 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: rest of your life and never see anything like this again. 136 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: And you know, good for the Mets. Like that's a 137 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: great signing. I there, it's got downside, of course, you 138 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: give a guy fifty million dollars a year, that's got downside, 139 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: especially a guy who is probably gonna be a DH 140 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: in like four years. There is real downside to it. 141 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: But when you have more money than you could ever spend, 142 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: I don't even even if it doesn't work out, I 143 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: don't really know if it's gonna be that detrimental to 144 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: Cohen or the Mets. So, I mean, if you got 145 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: the money to spend, why not. I mean, he's a 146 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: generational hitter. Him and Lindor now in the middle of 147 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: that lineup is gonna be you know, that's gonna be tough. 148 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: But you know, if you're a Braves fan, you know 149 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: it was tough when the Phillies signed Bryce Harper or 150 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: when the Philly signed Trade Turner. Like, you know, this 151 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: is nothing new. And if you look at you know, 152 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 2: if you're big into depth charts and roster building and stuff, 153 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 2: you know, the Braves probably still have a better roster 154 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: than the Mets, especially when you consider how many free 155 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: agents the Mets just lost. Now they're not done either, 156 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: They're they're they're still about one hundred million dollars short 157 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: of where they were last year in terms of their 158 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: luxury tax, so they could they could do a ton more. 159 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: The Mets are not done by any by any chance. 160 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, that's a great signing for them. Obviously, 161 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: once in a generation player, he's gonna be there forever, 162 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: uh fifty million dollars a year, that's that's a that's 163 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: a whole new world for baseball and really any sport. 164 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of money, and I mean, I 165 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: think I'm not sure we said it's playing with the 166 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: last night on the show. But it's not good for 167 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: the Braves. I mean, it's clearly not good, especially in 168 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: the short term. It makes the Mets better. Uh, and 169 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: that's not good for the Braves just by proxy. As 170 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: much as sni downplays it as he should, it doesn't 171 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: It isn't good for Atlanta. You'd rather have good, have 172 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: him go to Boston or whatever. Even the Yankees would 173 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: have been better. But uh, you know, we'll see it. Also, 174 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: you mentioned it kind of briefly that the Mets lost 175 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: so much a free agency that even after adding Soto, 176 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: they are way below their payroll from last year still, 177 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: so they're gonna sign more guys. I don't know who 178 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be. Maybe it's Max, but if Max Full's 179 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: and Tom Glavin and the reaction is going to be 180 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: very strong about that. But I'm gonna. 181 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: You get a log off that if they if the 182 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: Mets signed Max Freed, I'm not gonna get on Twitter 183 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: for like a week. 184 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: That's a wise decision. Elsewhere on the notes front, Snicker 185 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: also said this is not any breaking news, but he 186 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: could retire after this coming season. Uh. He kind of 187 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: just acknowledged that he's not a conferct beyond the year, 188 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: beyond this year. They could have extended and they have it. 189 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: They still could. But he's you know, he's very upfront, 190 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: like he's at the age where every year could be 191 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: a year by year thing for Snit. He said he'll 192 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: talk to Alex about it. He didn't. He did say 193 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: he feels good physically, like there's something really concerning about that. 194 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: And I know, not everyone loves the manager. That's just 195 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: the nature of baseball fandom. People don't love the manager. 196 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: But Snith's a does a really good job for a 197 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: long time, and I think he's very safe in his job. 198 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: But it's just notable when a team that has eyes 199 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: in the World Series has a you don't want to 200 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: use the term lame duck, but usually a guy going 201 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: into it. You don't want to go into your final 202 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: season of your contract, basically as a manager of a 203 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: contending team. And that's worse than it is right now. 204 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: So it becomes a talking point at some point. 205 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the fact that they haven't done an 206 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: extension of any sort I guess matters here. I mean, 207 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: if that's something the Braves were interested in doing, and 208 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: Snit was mutually interested in having. Then you would imagine 209 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: that would have been a conversation they've had. So I'm guessing. 210 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: I'm guessing that's mostly because Snit isn't sure if he 211 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 2: wants to manage past this year. I can't imagine the 212 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 2: Braves are actively looking for a change. Maybe. I mean, 213 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: I you know, we didn't think they would fire their 214 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: entire offensive hitting staff either, and they did. 215 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: That's but he'll I mean, just to say it's out loud, 216 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: he'll be seventy in October, yeah, which is not like 217 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: you know, there have been managers that have managed it 218 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: into their sevent It's not impressedented, but he's not a 219 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: young man and he's been doing this for a long time. 220 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: So the tone that if I would agree to people 221 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: read this. I think there's a JC story and the 222 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: Athletic story about this with quotes from Snit, but the 223 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: tone was basically like, I'm older and it might be 224 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: it for me. He didn't say he's going to retire, 225 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: but I got the feeling certainly that this could be 226 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: it for Stip based on the tone there and the contract. 227 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: So just want to throw out there. Obviously, we'll talk 228 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: about it more when he he just said, we'll talk 229 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: to Alex, and that's kind of where we are. 230 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: But I'll say this, I would be surprised if we 231 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: sit here as we sit her today. I would be 232 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: stunned if if Snit retires after this year, and what 233 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: Weiss isn't the guy just because he's been the bench 234 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: coach for like five years. I don't know how long 235 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: he's been with it. It seems like he's been with Snit forever. 236 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: He's been a major league manager, highly respected in that clubhouse, 237 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: like the players know him obviously, he's been there forever. 238 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: So you know, even if even if Snit retired after 239 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: this year, I don't know that it would be some 240 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: grand search for a new manager. I would be actually 241 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: pretty surprised if they didn't just give what Weiss the job. 242 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: And I imagine that might be why Walt Weiss has 243 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: stayed with him. You know, people wonder house. Knit kept 244 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: his staff together as long as he did before the 245 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: two guys left last year. And I'm guessing part of 246 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 2: it is what Wise thinks when Snith goes. 247 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: He might be it. He's in line for the job, 248 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: so I just look at stuff. Actually, he's been the 249 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: bench coach since November of twenty seventeen, so even longer 250 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: than I thought. 251 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been there more than seven more. 252 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: Than seven full years now, and it was reported in 253 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I think it was twenty two maybe twenty 254 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: three that he could have interviewed with from Miami's job 255 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: and didn't want it. 256 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: So I don't blame well. 257 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: I was gonna say it tomorrow. If it was a 258 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: better team, it'd be more more of an Eyeright Razor. 259 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: But anyway, that's a discussion for another day. But Stickers 260 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: management could be at the end of it's over the 261 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: end of the season. We'll see how that all goes. 262 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: One more note here, see it before we get to 263 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: a hypothetical question that you actually asked on Twitter today 264 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: that we'll talk about to kind of close the short podcast. 265 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: John Morossi reported today on Monday that the Braves want 266 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: to bring a j Mentro back. Now, that is not surprising, 267 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: nor is it particularly like hugely newsworthy, But it is 268 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: just a report that's out there from a national source, 269 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: and for instance that before has not been out there 270 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: for someone like Max for instance, like it's no one, 271 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: no one said, Hey, the Bridges still went on Max Freed, 272 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: whereas Morossi and Rossi's not Hayman. Sorry, Morosi's not passing. 273 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: Ross's not our guy, Ken Rosenthal, but it's a plugged 274 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: in guy. And he's saying, Hey, put the brids on 275 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: the radar for AJ. What did you make of that 276 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: little inkling that came out today? 277 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not surprising. I mean, braves need bullpen help. 278 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: I would guess if you if you actually got Alex 279 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: to give you an honest answer, which you never will, 280 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: I would guess he would say he would probably be 281 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: more interested in our right handed high leverage reliever just 282 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: because of Bummer and Dylan Lee already in the mix. 283 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: But you know they had all three last year too, 284 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: and so it wouldn't surprise me at all. Now, included 285 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 2: in that report was the nugget that he has been 286 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: one of the most talked about names at the winter meeting, 287 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: so there is a ton of interest in him. You know, 288 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: with the hip injury, we weren't sure if he was 289 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: going to have to take maybe a prove it deal 290 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: or a pillow contract to kind of you know, bridge 291 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: the injury. But from what Morosi's saying, and listen, I 292 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: don't want to be disrespectful here, but you got to 293 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: take anything. 294 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a Ferdie and slipp earlier when I 295 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: loved to be with John Haven. That's kind of I 296 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: think that's the same tier for me. But anyway, Uh. 297 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: He did also mention two teams that were not the Braves. 298 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: It was the Cubs and the Rangers. I wanted to 299 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: make sure that didn't I didn't leave that out. So yeah, 300 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: interest in AJ. Look, we've all said this a number 301 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: of times when AJ has been right. He's been really 302 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: good for a long time, so he should have interested. 303 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: Teams are okay with his medicals. But the Braves do 304 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: have a need and they had the relationship, and I 305 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: could see a J taking a little bit less to 306 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: stay a not a lot less, but a little bit less. 307 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: I do wonder. 308 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: I wonder though he struggled so much in the ninth 309 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: inning in his career with the Braves. Yeah, which probably 310 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything. It's probably more random, small sample sized 311 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: stuff than anything. But I do wonder if that ends 312 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: up costing him some money. I don't know if people 313 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: view him as a closer or just kind of a 314 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: seventh eight inning, high leverage reliever that that obviously affects 315 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: your money. When you're a bona fide closer, you get 316 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: deals like a Glacier has got. When you're not, you 317 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: get more in the seven eight million dollar range. So 318 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: how to how teams view him is going to be interesting, 319 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: and it's going to do a lot to set his 320 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: market in terms of what the Braves would have to 321 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: beat to bring him back. 322 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's for sure. And we made the 323 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: point I think on a couple of weeks ago a 324 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: podcast where like Aj has made some money in his career, 325 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: but he's this is his one prime free agency. Maybe, 326 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: I mean he might kind of one later on, but 327 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: it's the first time he's able. He's been able to 328 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: go out and get paid. And guys sometimes take a 329 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: little bit less, but like, I would not be holding 330 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: out for him to take like half the money stay 331 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Like, it's not probably gonna happen, nor should it. 332 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: He should take what he can get on the market. 333 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: And that's the same with Matt. I mean that's the 334 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: same with Max. 335 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: Same thing. Yeah, yeah, and he make real money for 336 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: a while, but still it's this is the one time 337 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: where he can more than triple quadruple his career earnings. 338 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: This is his one I mean, he's thirty one, this 339 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: is his one shot at a big time and listen 340 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: to reports out there where that he was going to get, 341 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: you know, upwards of two hundred million dollars on a deal. 342 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: You know, pitching has been extremely expensive so far in 343 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: free agency, so you know, it's a really good time 344 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: to be a good starter on the market. And yeah, 345 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: that's another reason I'm not really sure the Braves are 346 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: going to be much into it, because even if he 347 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: was fully healthy, no questions on the elbow anything, I 348 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: don't know that they would be at that level. But 349 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: add it all in together and it doesn't seem likely. 350 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we agree there. Okay, Steve, that's all 351 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: the news and notes that I have. But I did 352 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: want you to dig into a hypothetical that you threw 353 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: out there on Twitter today. Perhaps I'll even answer it, 354 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: But what did you say on that If you people 355 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: are not on Twitter, what is the scenario that you've 356 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: been contemplating in your brain and why in the last 357 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: couple of days. 358 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: So kind of quickly, you know, the off season was 359 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: moving pretty slowly, and then in the last week it's 360 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: actually moved pretty quickly and in some specific areas. Everybody 361 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: knows catcher has been this like random position group that 362 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: has flown off the shelves, but also outfield corner outfield 363 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: specifically has you know, there's been a number of top 364 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: player like Soto signed, Tyler O'Neal signed, Michael Conforto signed. 365 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: You know, there was only probably five or six impact 366 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: level corner outfielders on the market when in the year 367 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: when he alse's started, and three of them have already signed. 368 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: And that leaves depending on how you view Jerks and Profar, 369 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: which there are people that view him as an impact player, 370 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: there are people that don't. There's there's there were some 371 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: real data behind his breakout year this year, like his 372 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: batted ball stuff was was real, so it could be 373 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: a real breakout, but there are some people that don't 374 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: believe it, just because he's only done for one year. 375 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: But if you don't believe in Profar, then you got 376 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: sad Tender, Anthony san tender, and you've got Tiaska Hernandez 377 00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: left in terms of real impact outfielders that can you know, 378 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 2: sit in the middle of a lineup, and the Braves 379 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: need an outfielder. They may need two outfitters. I don't 380 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: know how the team's thinking, but they certainly need one outfielder. 381 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 2: And of course trades are always an option, but Alex 382 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: has typically preferred to just sign free agents because you 383 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 2: don't have to give up prospects. And I was thinking, 384 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 2: as I was sitting here today or today, just waiting 385 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: on a move to be announced, I was thinking, you know, 386 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 2: all the teams that did not get Wan Soto, all 387 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: the Yankees, the Red Sox, the teams that still need 388 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: an outfielder. You've got Santanderre, You've got Tiascar Hernandez. Everybody 389 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 2: kind of linked Hernandez back to the Dodgers right after 390 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: the season ended. I don't know how likely it is 391 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: that the Braves are gonna get either one of those guys. 392 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 2: And so now you're left with do you think Jersen 393 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 2: Profar can be good? And then the hypothetical I put 394 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: it out on Twitter is because a few people responded 395 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: that Max Kepler is a name that really interests them, 396 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 2: and I'm not as interested in Kepler as a lot 397 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: of people, but it may it made me think this, 398 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 2: if the Braves did not do anything in short stop 399 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 2: let's just say this is the hypothetical that Brad was 400 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: just talking about. If the Braves didn't do anything in 401 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: short stop arline, Darci is the starter next year and 402 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: the only move they made for the outfield was Max 403 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 2: Kepler to be you know, either right field or leftold, 404 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: depending on where Akunyan and kell Nick are. Would you 405 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: be satisfied with that? Would you be in love with that? 406 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: Would you be disappointed with that? I know I kind 407 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: of have a feeling. I know where Brad's going with 408 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: his answer because a lot of people went this way, 409 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: but I do want to hear you're expounded upon answer. 410 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good hypothetical, especially right now with all 411 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: the insert because you're right, the OUTFA market has thinned quickly, 412 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: which is notable. You know, it's almost separated by like 413 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: what you think of Kepler, which you kind of allude 414 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: to already. It's like where you've start, where you fall 415 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: on this. I am, probably from the sound of it, 416 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: a little higher on him than you, but lower than 417 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: the than the internet was today when they were telling 418 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: you maybe he was awesome. My natural question, and I'm 419 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: sure this is where you know how I was going 420 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: to go, is It all depends on what you do 421 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: with pitching, Like there is a there's a way where 422 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: you could sell that to me, as you know, Kepler 423 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: is your bigger addition if you go out and get 424 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: a real starting pitcher, like a real high end guy 425 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: EVOLDI or higher, basically like that kind of low that was. 426 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: Going to be My question is that like the level 427 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: where that's the baseline where you would be okay with 428 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 2: Kepler being the big move. 429 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: Because I think the thing is, like Kepler is fine 430 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: like that. I think he's maybe a league average corner elfielder, 431 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: maybe a little better than that, perhaps like he's better 432 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: than kell Nick. It's a real upgrade, but he's not 433 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: been anything special. I mean we talked about this at 434 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: one point or we've ever read it today somewhere, but 435 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: I think he yeah, look at us now. He has 436 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: over a seven seventy ops twice in the last nine seasons. Yeah, 437 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: and he's thirty one years old. Like he's again a 438 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: solid player. I think that would be totally reasonable to 439 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: add to the team at a reasonable price. But that 440 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: isn't a splashy ad. And if you go with that 441 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: in that in left field and Orlando RCA at shortstop. 442 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: The only way to sell that to your fan base, 443 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: I think is to really meaningfully add to the staff 444 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: and that Honestly, I'm not even sure one Storry picture 445 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: would be enough to move the needle there. Like maybe 446 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: it's like all the anaheigh end reliever e of all 447 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: the mentor or something like that. I don't. I don't know, 448 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't be outraged by that, but I don't. 449 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: I could tell you. I can tell you right now 450 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: fans probably wouldn't like it very much because I guess 451 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: maybe I think on the whole, the fan base might 452 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: be higher on RCIA than we are as a podcast. 453 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: I think so maybe a little bit at least that 454 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: I've seen maybe, but at the very least higher than 455 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: Scott is an our RCA. But but yeah, I to 456 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: answer the question in rambling fashion, it really does depend 457 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: on the on the picture. But I do think that 458 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: if Kepler is your one splash bat, after the way 459 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: last season went offensively and you traded so Layer for 460 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: essentially nothing, and you lose Darnault and your catcher spot, 461 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, Murphy's probably gonna get better alas I think 462 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: you will be. But you're back and catcher spots declined 463 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: like it's a tough sell if that's all you do. 464 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: I think, well, that was my logic. Was you traded away, 465 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: so lare you decline the option on Darnault? You non 466 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: tendered Loriano? What Maryfield was a free agent? Those were 467 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: a few of your best hitters last year. And if 468 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: the only name you bring in is Kepler, now, obviously 469 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: you get a Couona back. At some point, you're gonna 470 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 2: get Riley back. You know you're gonna get a hopefully 471 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: a healthy season for Murphy. So there's gonna be some 472 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: internal upgrades. But I don't know. I was as I 473 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: was thinking about it. If you already go, if you 474 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 2: already kind of assume they're not going to get sent 475 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: Tendere and I don't think they will. I don't even 476 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: know if they're all that interested in sand Tander, honestly. 477 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: And if you assume they're not going to get Hernandez, 478 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: which I don't think they will, then you're already to 479 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: You're already to a point where like trade, like a 480 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: trade for an outfielder, maybe more likely, it depends on 481 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: what they feel. I mean, there's a few guys in 482 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 2: that Kepler range. And that's what I treated today was 483 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: there's Jason Hayward, There's Alex Rdugo. There's a couple of 484 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: guys in that one hundred w RC plus projection level, 485 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: and that's what Kepler is projected for next year, is 486 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: like a one oh one w RC plus. There's a 487 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 2: few guys in that level. But that can't I don't. 488 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: I just don't think that could be the biggest name 489 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: you you add this winter. It's got there's gotta be 490 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: something else, or in my opinion, it's gonna be viewed 491 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: as a pretty disappointing winner. 492 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, we we. We name checked you last night when 493 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: h when Conforto signed, because that was the one that 494 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: I knew you were not very and. 495 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: I guarantee you when we get to the end of 496 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 2: this offseason that getting Conford to on a one year 497 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: deal is gonna look like one of the best signings. 498 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean I would have yeah, and he's he's better 499 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: than Kepler, like he's I think he's a lot safer 500 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: anyway at the plate than Kepler has been. And it's 501 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: not about you. 502 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel, but like one seventeen 503 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: I would have done that in a hartbeat. 504 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: I we said the same about I agree. What I 505 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: do think is just worth acknowledging is that I think 506 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: if if it's the same offer between the Dodgers and 507 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: the Braves, he might have just taken the Dodgers offer. 508 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: It's not like those. 509 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's been he's been on the West Coast 510 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 2: the last couple of years anyways, Right, So. 511 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: That's maybe what that Maybe maybe Alex did call in 512 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: there and would have Master come close. And that's just 513 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: you lean to the Dodgers, and if besides, with like 514 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, some random team, it's a little bit less believable. 515 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: But when it's the Dodgers and they're building the Death 516 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: Star over there, it's like kind of understandable. Yeah, I 517 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: mean I get it. I get the kepler thing. I 518 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: get the excitement. Like when he has been really good 519 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: the twice basically, I mean, Toy's twenty three was really good. 520 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: So that's probably what people are referencing. If I had 521 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: to guess, he was not very good last year in 522 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: a small sample size, but it wasn't great. 523 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: A hard time staying healthy. 524 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's thirty one. He's got some majory issues, Like 525 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: if you think that, and I think it. It's not 526 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: crazy think think this way. Obviously, Jason Hayward is an 527 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: emotional connection for a lot of us, including me, But 528 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: they're fairly similar, and hey, woud it would be a 529 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: lot cheaper. I'm fairly confident, So uh, why wouldn't you 530 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: just go do that, bring him home a little bit, 531 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: and then have some money to spend elsewhere on something else. 532 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: Maybe you do that. Maybe it's when we talked about 533 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: Haussa on Kim last night, like that's the one, the 534 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: only I mean, speaking of being thin, there is one 535 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: short stop that's available in free agency that's better than 536 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: rely in ours year and it's Hawsts on Kim and 537 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: everybody knows it. So that's one too, So he. 538 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: Might not play in the first half, right, So. 539 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: The two spots of the Braves need offensively are getting 540 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: thin and on the market, And yeah, trades are always 541 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: an option. They're just hard to talk about until they 542 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: actually happen, unless the guy, unless it's like, why the 543 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: reported somebody's available. I I know that Cody Bellinger's name 544 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: made the rounds this week. That's a lot of money 545 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 1: for Cody Bellinger, for instance. 546 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: That's an awful contract. 547 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great. 548 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: As soon as that hit the wire, I started like 549 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 2: looking up his con like, I don't know what the 550 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: hell the Cubs were thinking. 551 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: Well, well, and on the other side, Kyle Tucker came 552 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: was a name that floated was floated today, who's an 553 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: awtome player for the Astros. But I'm pretty sure this 554 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: was you. I think I saw you mention this and 555 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: you can correct me. You know, Yeah, you can trade 556 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: for Kyle Tucker, but you got to pay him a 557 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: lot of money very soon, or it's not worth doing 558 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: because you're got to pay a ton of prospects and 559 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: then probably extend him. 560 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: The brain is going to give Kyle Tucker three hundred 561 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: million dollars because that's what it's going to take. 562 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: The sign. I do not believe they will probably see 563 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: expiring this year. This is just last season. 564 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: Is last year. Yeah, so you're trading for one, you're 565 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: trading for one year of them. So you got to 566 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: give up decent prospects just to get him for one year, 567 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: and then you're almost certainly losing him after this year because. 568 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, to share a vibes right there, Yeah, one of. 569 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: The chances you're going to be the highest bidder. I 570 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: mean when, what's the last time the Brads were the 571 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: highest bidder for a free agent? 572 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, not tribly likely. So anyway, I'm not trying to 573 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: pay the dues scenario. There are interesting pieces, and I 574 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: think there is a world where a you know, whether 575 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: it's Kepler or Verdugo, would pick your outfield or whatever. 576 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: If that's all quote unqu all they do in the 577 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: out in the outfield and it's real land know that 578 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: will be underwhelming. But there is a way to do that. 579 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: If you upgrade pitching, if you don't do if you 580 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: if your pitching upgrades are moderate, then I think even 581 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: the most level headed which I think probably includes me, 582 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: would be frustrated by that. And I will convey that 583 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: if that's all the Brads do is like a four 584 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: starter and Max Kepler, that's gonna be met with some 585 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: resistance by me. 586 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, like Charlie Morton and Max Kepler is not a 587 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: good enough offseason. 588 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: And I and I love and everyone knows I love 589 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: Charlie conditionally, but I would strongly agree with you on 590 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: that that's not that's not good enough. If you're gonna 591 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: go that, if you're gonna go the more discount, not 592 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: necessarily discount, but like more modest route in the outfield 593 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: you need to do. You need to kind of go 594 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: higher with the pitching. I would say, to make that uh, 595 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: make that trade off work, at least in my mind. 596 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: All right, Stephen, we've gone a decent amount on this podcast. 597 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: Anything else you want to get to before we sign off, 598 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: because there's more to come, probably tomorrow, and we're planning 599 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: on doing as many shows as we can this week. 600 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: It'd be nice if something happened for us to talk about. 601 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 2: I need to move, I need something, I mean, and 602 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: it has been it has been ice cold for a 603 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: while now, so if I don't know if Ae when 604 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: he talked to the media today and he talked, you know, 605 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 2: when they first got to the Winter Meetings, and he 606 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: always gives the same spill. He's actually talked before about 607 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 2: how he actually hates the Winter Meetings. He doesn't like 608 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 2: doing business there. It's not a conducive environment for him 609 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 2: for getting deals done. So I don't know, I haven't. 610 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I have no idea if there's gonna be 611 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: any moves. I think the Celtic move was around this 612 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: time last year. But we'll see I need a move, man, 613 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 2: I desperately need a move of some sort. 614 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: We all do. It'd be very interesting or a rumor. 615 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: I would still up for a rumor at this point, 616 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: like an actual rumor would be uh good for me 617 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: to at the moment just tie this over. But anyway, 618 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: we will be here throughout the week and beyond talking 619 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: about the Braves and anything that happens Steven working. Folks 620 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: find you on social media and you're writing all that 621 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: stuff theory for the podcast. 622 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, be underscore outliers, Twitter x whatever, and then battery 623 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 2: Power is where most of us still right for Chris 624 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: and Demetrius, the guys over there. 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