WEBVTT - The Cheapest Land is Bought in Blood, Part 2 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:10.440 All the media. Welcome to Klappened Here, a podcast that 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.600 is once again about Palestine. Hopefully you listen to yesterday's 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:16.360 episode of this. One's going to be a little bit 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.960 out of sorts, but yeah, we are continuing and finishing 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.960 up a conversation about Israel and setular colonialism. So strap 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.280 in and enjoy the show. If you were trying to 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.680 generate in a lab a place where you could turn 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:32.839 a bunch of people into fascists, it would be it 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.640 would be these settlements. This has a bunch of downstream 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.440 political effects, right. One of them is that, okay, so 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.880 whose lands are you taking here? 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:44.320 Right? 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:49.440 The answer here is it's a lot of Palestinian farmers. 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.440 And you know, once you kick farmers off their land, 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.440 they can't be farmers anymore. And this leaves them with 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.320 two choices. One slee Palestine altogether. And this is really 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.000 really hard. We talked about it on this show. It 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:06.840 is really really difficult to get out or your other 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:10.480 option is to become cheap labor for Israeli capitalists. And 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.440 this is another another part of the sort of self 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.400 reinforcing dynamic of these engines, right, is like, you know, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.880 if if you're dealing with the population that doesn't have 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.760 the means to support themselves except for you know, these 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.440 these Israeli like work passes that they like, you know, 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:30.800 like bestow upon the benited population. Like it's it makes 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:32.560 it incredibly hard for there to be any sort of 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.640 physicist movement. And you know the other thing that David 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.840 Grea was pointing out that you know, he was, I 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:38.679 think like ahead of the curve on in a lot 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.120 of ways. Is I mean, this has been happening for 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.320 a long time, but the Israeli like electoral left is 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.920 just gone. Israelly Labor, which is like the like Israeli 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.240 Labor is the party that built Israel right, Like it 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:56.360 was Israeli Labor guys who like pulled together this the 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.240 entire Zionist coalition and like turned them in to the 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.560 engine that could actually win the war. In forty eight, 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:08.280 Labor was outperformed by fucking Handash in the most recent election. 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.880 This has happened several times. Hadash is an alliance of 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.720 the Israeli communists and like left Arab nationalists. And when 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.079 I say they do better, and it's not to say 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.040 that Hadash is doing well, but like you know, they're 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.919 both pulling at like four percent right, and Israeli labor 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.480 again like has ruled is ruled Israel for like a 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.000 like a very magnificant part of his history. They are 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.600 now nothing. Right, there's four percent of the vote. They 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:32.920 have the same amount of vote as the oldest as 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.360 the Israeli like and specifically I should mention this is 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.359 this is the this is the like anti occupation communists. 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.880 This is another one of the sort of dynamics of 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:46.640 settlerism that you know, this is sort of is universally true, right, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.240 this is It's not just Israel where a bunch of 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.240 people who are normally leftist, a bunch of people who 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.400 like you know, fought in their own liberation struggles and 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:59.320 get turned into just like absolutely fanatical right wingers. There 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.000 are an enormous number of United Irishmen, rebels from the 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.480 Rebellion of eighteen seventy eight in Ireland who go to 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.600 the US and you know, wind up a bunch of 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.160 these people wind up in the American Army to a 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.400 bunch of these people wind up like I mean, I 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.320 guess it's technically not the Indian Wars, but like a 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.160 lot of these people wind up like fighting the Creeks 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.240 in eighteen twelve. These people could become the front line 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.080 of settler expansion in the US. And this this happens 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.239 again with like German and French like liberals and socialists 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.120 who flee the crushing of the eighteen forty eight revolutions. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.359 It actually almost happened to Marx. He wound up not 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.120 going to the US. But there's a lot of settlers, 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.200 Like there's a lot of like of European socialists who 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.040 come to the US and see all of this land 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.480 and they go, oh shit, we can solve like we 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.280 can solve the problems of the old world. But it 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:46.240 is taking this land. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.360 Yeah, having our little like k utopian socialist settlements. Was 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.320 it Owens or Jones or someone they had. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:54.840 These like, yeah, they. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:01.040 Quake k utopian sort of settlement towns in someone else's land. Yeah. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.080 Well, and that's one of the ways has happened. There 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.960 there are other ways this happens too, where it's just people, 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.800 you know, it's not it's not even always utopian communities. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.320 People a lot of and and this this is also 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.640 so okay. There are people who come over from the 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.839 eighteen forty eight revolutions who like, you know, like August 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:19.960 Van Willich is probably the most famous one, Like he's 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:21.880 he's a communist who ends up like fighting for the 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:26.039 union and then notably not fighting in the Indian Wars after. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.600 But you know, a lot of these people they come 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.600 to the US and they're like, okay, well, so they're 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.719 like the fundamental contradiction of capitalism or whatever is that, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.320 like you know, people like people, people are forced to 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.919 become like, as they would literally call it, like the 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:46.200 wage slaves of capital, right, And so these people take 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.520 a bunch of just incredibly bizarre stances, Like one they're 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.640 they're they're they're against the abolition of slavery because they 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.200 they're like, oh, well, if you free the slaves, these 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.039 people are going to compete with us for wage labor. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.839 So either either they're pro slavery or they're like slavery 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.280 the like ending slavery is the thing they can only 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:05.880 happen with the end of capitalism, so we don't care 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.600 about it. Or and this is a very common thing 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:09.960 that this is one of them. This is i think 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.359 much closer to the Israeli dynamic. Is these people become 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.040 convinced that like the you know, The problem with Europe, 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.920 right is that you know, Europe is entirely ruled by 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.000 either feudalist or like feudal bearerans or capitalist right and 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.680 so there's no way for someone to like make like 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.080 make themselves in the world, right, there there's no way 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.680 for them to be independent like of the capitalist class. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.719 But in but in the US there is because all 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.920 you have to do is, you know, instead of being 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.000 part of the like the industrial proletariat or whatever and 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.599 getting like crushed by the Buddha capital, you can just 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.400 go become a settler farmer. And this is this is 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.000 one of the defining ideologies of the US, Like Abraham 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:46.640 Lincoln talks about this, like the thing that makes the 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.440 US different from Europe is that like, yeah, you can 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.480 you can go be a settler, you can get your 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:55.719 own land. And this is something you can also trace 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.240 back to the foundation of Israel. Israel is created you know, 0:05:58.279 --> 0:05:59.960 there are there are there are right wings Zionists, right, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.640 but it's also created by liberal socialist communists and even 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.120 anarchists who fought the span a civil war who go 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:11.760 to Israel become Zionists, are armed by Stalin and these 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:13.880 people create like you know, these are the people who 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:14.920 do the knapa. 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.760 Yeah, lots of people were also, there were Jewish I 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.960 guess socialists is probably the best term for them who 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:26.800 would come to fight in Spain and then returned to it. Yeah, 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.839 people interested. Ranan Reign has done a really good paper 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.720 about some with people in international brigades. So not all 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.680 of them turned out to do the knakpa. To be clear, yes, 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.200 something some of them were. It's actually also it's actually 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:45.560 really sad to follow the plight of It's a slight divergence, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.240 I guess. But Jewish people who had fled programs in 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.880 the early twentieth century grown up largely in New York 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:56.480 an extremely impoverished neighborhoods, fought facism in Spain, came home, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.159 fought fatuism again in the rest of Europe after like 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.520 pointing at it in nineteen thirty five and going bad, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:04.840 and in America going now dog were good, and then 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.839 in nineteen forty one going who could have foreseen this? 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.680 And then they come in the meantime they see Stalin 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.560 signing a pact with fascism, right, and they feel horribly 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.720 betrayed and have to have to deal with either leaving 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.360 the Communist Party or working out in their own head, 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.080 how the fuck the people who kill their friends and 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.200 now their friends and then they come home after the war, 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:29.200 they're blacklisted under McCarthy and they see the nuck but happening, 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.760 you know, like later on, and they they're disgusted, right 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.560 like they everything that, like every sort of like identity 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:39.760 in group that they've had, they feel has turned against 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.360 the things that they think are morally right. And they 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:46.280 have these really difficult lives despite like pursuing what most 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.560 of us would agree as in moral good throughout their lives. 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:54.480 Yeah, being being consistently world fucking sucks and that is. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.600 A yeah, Terrald will leave you behind. 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.440 Yeah yeah, it was a fucking awful time to do that. 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:05.720 Yeah yeah, Okay, we should take another ad break and. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:11.800 Then yeah, adverts are not consistently Marl who very unlikely. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.960 And we are back. So we've been talking about the 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.600 capacity of settlements to change someone's politics, right, So it's 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.960 you know, it's as these labs of consciousness that produce 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.760 certain kinds of right wing politics and mentalities and you know, 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:40.600 and produce right wing soldiers, right, But the settlements also 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:44.120 do other things. And one of those things that they do. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.199 Is the settlements are a big reason, you know, if 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.520 you were invested in the peace process, like this is 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.800 a big reason why the peace process failed was that 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.720 the settlers never had any intentions of abiding by any 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.439 of the treaties that were being signed by the Israelis. Right, 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.679 And this is something that is true transhistorically, right. This 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.640 is a dynamic you see in American history too. The 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.640 US science like hundreds of treaties with like like just 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.280 incredible numbers and indigenous nations. And do you know how 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:11.920 many of those trees I end up upholding. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:13.680 Yeah, that's none. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.440 Yeah, And you know, I mean you can look at 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.520 the Supreme Court, right, and you know the Supreme Court 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:24.360 will uphold laws from like seventeen ninety five, right, Yeah. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.960 The one kind of law they will not uphold is 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.360 their treaty obligations, at which in which case they will 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.080 go literally they will just go, well, we are obligated 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.079 to do this under treaty, but it is too hard, 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:35.800 so fuck you. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, they'll go previous to that and 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.760 treat site the fucking Doctrine of Discovery or the Treaty 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:47.600 of Cso yeah, good old Rethpeed against the liberal hero. Yeah. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.120 And so you can look at this from sort of 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:50.760 two perspectives, right, you can look at this from this 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.080 perspective of the state, and you can look at it 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.880 from the respective of the settlers. And you know, I mean, 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.400 and I think I think I think there's a there's 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.520 a third view that's kind of sees them both as 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:01.960 an extension of the same thing, which is what we're 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.800 gonna sort of come to. But you know, you can 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:06.679 you can look at this treaty stuff, and you can 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.640 look at the fact that you know, both the settlers 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.440 and the Israeli governments like sign the Oslo Accords fully 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.320 intending to do more settlements, right, And this is this 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:20.120 is something that that like the Palestinians are watching, right, 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.640 Like if you're a Palasidian, like you are watching these 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.439 peace accords get signed, and then you are watching the 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:28.800 Israelis fucking bulldozing your house. Yeah, and and this is 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.880 this is this is a thing in the US too, right. 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.360 It's like everyone who signs a treaty get like, like 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.440 all of the nation to sign treaties get a get 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.800 a watch as the US is like oh well, actually, 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:39.880 like no, we never had any intention of like fulfilling this, 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.880 like no, We're just gonna keep exterminating you and like 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:47.240 chasing the sort of like like shattered remnants of your 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:51.920 tribes like literally across the entire fucking continents. And you know, 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.480 so so you can look at this from the from 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.360 the perspective of the state, and you know, like like 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.240 dealing dealing with the American state, Like it is well 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.280 known by every day and every race that has ever 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.400 had to deal with them that the white man is 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.880 duplicitous in a state is built on lies, and that 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.679 is only kind of a joke. Like everyone who fucking 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.480 deals with the Americans just like what the fuck is 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.720 wrong with these people? Like do you like do people 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.240 like not understand what an agreement is? 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:18.000 Like what you know, Yeah, this is something that like 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.840 I know, if you travel abroad and you work in 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.880 places where American forces have been nine times out of ten, 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.800 someone will sit you down in a tea house or 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.920 a coffee house and unbidden just be like what the 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.520 fuck is wrong with these people? Like like why do 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:35.800 they treat us like that? Like we fucking did everything 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.960 you asked and then you fucking abandoned us or killed us, 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:42.120 like like yeah, like everyone, and of course Sprain does 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.240 it too. I'm not saying like America spectrum, but fuck me, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.880 America in the last two hundred years is really setting 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:50.440 you precedent for just like Jane has faced bullshit. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.160 Yeah, and you know, and and and this, and it 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.839 is particularly bad when you're dealing with when you're dealing 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.600 with settlers, because you know, one of the one of 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.600 the things about the state is that the arc of 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.720 the state policy and settler colonies always bends towards injustice 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.079 in general, and in particular the thing it always bends 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.400 towards land seizures. It seeks to expand its base of power, 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.720 it's territorial base in its economy, which leads it to 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.040 push as far as it possibly can towards dispossessing the 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.360 indigenous population. Now, this is also the interest of settlers, 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.080 who act as a kind of extension of the state 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.960 that goes beyond its normal capacity to do what it 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:25.599 wants to do. And you know, in the US, the 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.520 human manifestation of this is Andrew Jackson, who is a 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:33.480 man who completely illegally on multiple occasions, just like conquered 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:38.000 Florida and you know, conquered Florida specifically. And this is 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:39.520 one of the like a couple of things. This is 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.000 what I have. I have a very good friend who 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.640 talks about this a lot because they're they've they've been 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.720 studying this period immensely. You're probably not listening, but love you, Yeah, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.120 but talking about this a lot, which is that Andrew 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.800 Jackson is like big part of the reason why he's 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.400 going into Florida is specifically because he he wants to 0:12:56.440 --> 0:13:00.120 smash these these like indigenous like black indigenous like like 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:05.040 Bauruin communities there. And so Jackson, you know jackx Jackson 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:09.200 like is is like under orders not to invade Florida. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.360 He invades Florida. Anyways, you know, we we we get 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.200 were there's a very similar sort of tension between like 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.920 the courts and you know, like the courts in the 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:21.800 settler state that you have with the sort of international 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.080 community in Israel now, where like the courts are like 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.559 Andrew Jackson, you cannot do the trail of tears. Andrew 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.880 Jackson is just like fuck you, Like we're doing the 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.479 trailer of tears. We're going We're going to do a genocide. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.160 And you know, and the thing the thing about what 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.240 Jackson represents, right, is that Jackson is is the human 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.360 embodiment of of all of these sort of structural like 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.600 he's the human and political embodiment of all of these 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:51.200 structural tendencies et cetera. Colonialism. Now. And one of the 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.680 things that that's I think is interesting about this is 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.720 that there are like all of the settler states, right, 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.360 you see this in like every single one. And I'm 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:58.959 going to talk about the US because that's the one 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.960 that like other than that I know the best. Well, 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.400 I don't probably probainlays like the US better than Israel. 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.560 But there are always times when this when when this 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.520 the federal government tries to crack down on settlers, right, 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.079 this happens like repeatedly. I mean this, And this is 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.079 the thing even like like the British are like spend 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.520 a lot of time trying to stop the colonists from 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.840 like moving like from moving west. And I think that 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.200 there's a lot of people who like have come to 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.280 believe that if they if the British had won the 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.160 American Revolution, that they would have been able to stop 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.640 the settlers. And no, like they wouldn't have been able 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.960 to they would have been able to maybe they could 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.000 have delayed it by twenty years, but no, there was 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.560 there was no one has ever really been able to 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.680 stop these people. And you know, the IDF, like we 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.640 talked about this a bit earlier, right, the IDEF in 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.240 two thousand and five did pull Like when they pulled 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.000 out of Gaza, they dragged like eight thousand center settlers 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.640 with them. But again, this is this is the dynamic 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.160 to like that's incredibly familiar to anyone who studied the 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.960 history of settlers in the US, is that government at 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.080 tempts to control settler expansion inevitably fail when convented with 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.920 the the you know, the these unstoppable twin economic and 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.320 twin imperatives of the economic benefit to the settlers and 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.840 also the sort of speculator, the speculative value of these 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.040 of this new land, the land speculators. But then the 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.800 the other problem is the inevitable rise of the settlers 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.400 themselves as the political bloc, which in the US, the 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.640 man who is the champion of the settlers is Andrew Jackson. 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.240 And this is you know, and when he comes into 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.160 and when he starts taking power, when he starts getting 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.840 power in the army, you get the conquest of Florida, 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.600 and when he becomes president, you have the you have 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.359 the trailer tears and Israel. This is this is represented 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.240 by Israel's overtly genocidal finance bitsiness at Betsiel Simotrich who 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:49.960 represents the Religious Zionist Party, And uh, I'll give you 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:54.320 all three guesses what those guys believe and if if 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.240 your guesses are they are unhinged settler racists and like 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:03.760 turbo home phobes, you're you're right on the buddy. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:08.360 Yeah, so he's a conspiracy theorist, like yeah, yeah, this 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:09.840 guy is unhinged. 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.520 They're very open with their generalcidle. 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:15.960 Yeah yeah, once. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:20.320 Like there's no there's no subtlety. They're just like, let's 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.240 let's flatten what, let's flatten gus, let's kill them all, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.160 you know what I mean. It's just like theycourage seem 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.440 like with a very Trumpian thing that's like encouraging the 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.360 hate that is there too fester. 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:37.040 It's particularly like to try to diverse again. I found 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:42.200 the fucking like, you can't support Palestinia liberation if you're 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.640 queer dunk that we see from like Zionist neoliberals to 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.080 be one of the most frustrating a like, you can 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:51.880 support what the fuck you want, Like you don't need 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.600 a condescending, fucking like resist mum in a minivan to 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.600 tell you what you can and can't believe, and like, 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.360 b go look up some of this guy's statements, because 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.040 fucking you ain't gonna find anyone who's more genocidal towards 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.359 queer people openly than this motherfucker. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.760 I mean, Israel is like very well known for like 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.600 pink washing and pretending they're very progressive and supportive of yeah, 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.760 of queer people, when they're really not. I mean, this 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.040 country also is not, you know what I mean, Like 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.000 it's I think I think that argument is a very 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:21.440 privileged elitist one. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:26.240 Yeah, and like like yeah, just like haha, homophobia exists there, 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.040 it's not. It's not a win for anyone. Yeah, if 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.280 you want to get married to someone of the same 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.960 gender as you in Israel, you do it on zoom 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.760 in fucking Utah like that that Like, when you've been 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:41.000 outflanked to the left by Utah, you've done fucked up. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.879 You don't get to wave your pride flag at anyone. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:44.760 Fuck off. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.439 This is one of the sort of progressive veneer of 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:51.600 the Israelis has been you know, like fading because these 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.280 the people who are coming to power. And then Yahoo 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.080 in some ways was one of the sort of anger 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:57.679 to this. But like this, and this is the thing 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.760 you're seeing in India too, right, Like whatever you get 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.160 a far right guy, right, the thing that inevitably generates 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.440 is people who are even further right than they are. 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.520 And that that's that that's what these these settler people are. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.880 And and the thing is, like these settler guys, you 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.600 can't cover for them, like if you if they are 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:20.639 on camera for longer than about thirty seconds, they start 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:25.400 saying stuff like just the most unhinged, like We're gonna 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.440 kill all the Palestinians. They start saying like we're gonna 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.200 kill every Arab, like they start talking about various and 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.760 varies basically like their their their platforms that they you 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.680 know they're and then this is this is so part 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.800 of the reason that there are there there's a coalition 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.199 of of these like of these like far right settler 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.080 parties that are now backing net and Yahu. And this 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.520 is this is how net and Yahu has been able 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.280 to stay out of prison. Is that he's been able 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.120 to back enough, he's been able to buy off enough 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:50.920 of these people that they're backing his government so he 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.919 can stay Prime minister, so they can't charge him. But 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.639 the the you know, the the concession basically for this 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:04.600 was that these like this guy was just basically just 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.439 given control of a bunch of state military power, like 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.400 from the army in the West Bank. It's been given 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:13.159 to him in his settler fanatics. And you know, like 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.919 especially since like the Hamas attack, like these, the government 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.440 has been handing out guns these people like candy, yes, 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.240 and they've been using it just murder Palestinians and cold 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:22.800 blood and you know, I mean the things people do 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.560 a lot, right, so sometimes they just kill people. The 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.480 thing they do all the time is just in the 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.359 middle of the night, like if you're if you're living 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.879 in the West Bank, like a bunch of mass guys 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:33.880 will show up, they will break into your home. They'll 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:35.320 beat the shit out of you, and they'll say like 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.159 if you don't leave tomorrow, will kill you. And you know, 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.000 sometimes those guys are settlers, like are just like non 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.440 like I don't know, like non military settlers, right, they're 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:47.439 like settler civilians or whatever. Sometimes those guys are just 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:51.119 like the army, and there's no fucking way to tell 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.440 which one like, because again it's just a bunch of 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.520 people in masks appear in the night and break into 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.080 your house and start beating the shit out of you. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.600 And these people, these are these are the people that 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.920 increasingly the Israeli political system is being run by and 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.640 and you can't and it is in a similar way, 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.200 just the way that Andrew Jackson just like rips off 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.840 this mask of sort of like New England gentility that 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.600