1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks live on location at the 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Combine Indianapolis. This is this is Red Spot Indianapolis, home 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: kind of home of the Hoosies. And I got my 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: my guy land Zi here red heads on his red 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: kicks because he is just so you so, Cream and 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Crimson and all the tournament time Bucks, tournament time, so 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: you can run the bandwagon. No no, no, we're ready. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: So we're have an opportunity to preview the Combine. We're 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: gonn talk about all the players to watch at this event. 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: We got the defensive line, defensive linemen and linebackers working today. 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: We got a DB's working tomorrow. We got the primetime 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: event with the quarterbacks and the wide receivers on Saturday, 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: and then the running backs in the offensive lineman working 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: on Sunday. And so because this is a preview, we 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 1: gotta talking about our favorite guys, the guys that we're 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: excited to see. The guys that we're talking about Red 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: Dot guys. I mean they can't be there can be 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: Red Star guys, guys that you like. But let me 20 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: start with the Hoosie because right now he feels really 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: good about his team in basketball. Yes, that's that's that 22 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: Red have a little bit you got somebody, guys, did 23 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: you want to watch this? Let's do it bout category. 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: We start today, right d lineman, linebackers, who had got 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: something you're excited to see? I'm definitely excited to see 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of these dudes, um, And we'll start with 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: a couple of guys. I saw him person this year. 28 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: One of them was Mazzi Smith. I mean right up 29 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: to gate you so, like you know that there's the 30 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: debate right over who would win between an unstoppable four 31 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: center and immovable object? Right well, I think when you 32 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: combine both of them, Mazzi Smith just appears, and it's 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: usually right at the line of scrimmage because he is 34 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: the immovable object without questions, six foot, three hundred forty 35 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: pounds whatever he is. I mean, like he's like the 36 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: number one guy on Bruce Felman's Freaks list. He did 37 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: like over twenty reps on the bench, you know, like 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: which at two twenty five that's pretty solid, but it 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: was three twenty five, okay, so an extra hondo on 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: the plates there for the bench, And like I mean 41 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: I watched him. He wrecked Indiana's game plan from a 42 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: run game perspective when I saw it in person this 43 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: past year. I mean like he just would not be moved. 44 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: And I think with the way the teams are playing 45 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: this year, I think Mozzi Smith is an opportunity to 46 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: find a real home with one of these teams looking 47 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: for a big kind of space eater there in the 48 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: middle of the field. And then I'd actually like to 49 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: bat this around with you guys for a second the 50 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: Lucas Vaness debate. Yes from Iowa, because I think I've 51 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: found another reason for Iowa Hawkeye fans to be upset 52 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: outside of the fact that the offense doesn't score touchdowns. 53 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: It said that they've had a potential top ten draft 54 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: pick on their team that hasn't started for the last 55 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: three years. Yes, just your idea, your idea of Lucas Vaness, 56 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: and then like where that sits with you in terms of, 57 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, how Iowa runs their program and how this 58 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: guy maybe wasn't featured as much a couple of things. 59 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: So you talked about two big ten guys that are 60 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: of ventures. Missie Smith. Everyone knows his absolute freak show 61 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to his athleticism. I think the thing 62 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: that I've learned from washing Michigan guys in the past, 63 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: Rashan Gary was a guy who was a great athlete, 64 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: but you didn't see the production. But then he has 65 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: turned that production into all star caliber production with the 66 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. So from Misie Smith, I think you 67 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: have to grate him on a curve knowing that his 68 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: best football is certainly ahead. I think with Lucas van Ness, 69 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: the one thing that you know about Iowa guys, it's 70 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: all about the developmental print plan, right, like what they 71 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: do in the wave room, how they take these guys 72 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: and they really make him and build them up into 73 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: becoming outstanding players. It is one to watch, but the 74 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: fact that he didn't really play early on, when you 75 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: see the athleticism and the talent and those things, is 76 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: really mind bogged. And then when you turn onto tape 77 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: you see a NonStop, high motor guy who is relentless 78 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: in his approach, does a really good job of making 79 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: it happen. So it's you know, it's it's interesting. I 80 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: believe he will have an opportunity to debunk some of 81 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: those narratives that are kind of around his game. If 82 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: he puts up an outstanding performance here to combine, I think, 83 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: first of all, Massy Smith. He's gonna put up numbers 84 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: like Don Terry Poe, which were famous for big man's stuff. 85 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna be very fast on the three cone drill, 86 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: do a lot of He's gonna jump high, jump far. 87 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: Like anybody who remembers Don Terry Poe's combine, it was, 88 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: it was. It was ridiculous. Yeah, it was ridiculous. And 89 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: I've I've already kind of got the numbers what they 90 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: should look like, and they're gonna look a lot like 91 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: Don Terry pose. Um. Lucas Vaness is tough for me 92 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: because so big, strong and relentless works in the NFL. 93 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: Those guys make it in the NFL. But I'm having 94 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: a hard time getting on board with top ten. And 95 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. I love the physical stuff, but man, 96 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: the pass rush stuff is just very There's just not 97 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: a lot of actual skill level on the rush. And 98 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: that's fine, you know, But I saw aj Epenesa who 99 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: was very skilled as a rusher but didn't have Lucas 100 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: van ES's juice. So now I got a guy who 101 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: has more juice. But didn't have the rush. And so 102 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: if he gets coached up and learns moves and Bucky, 103 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean maybe you talk to D 104 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: line coaches, you know, I know you can coach it. 105 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: But it's an automatic that a guy is gonna learn 106 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: the moves he needs to become a more skilled rusher. 107 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: I mean, because it's definitely not automatic. I mean, I 108 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: think the thing about it is nothing's automatic. You talking 109 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: about a J. Vanessa, who I thought was going to 110 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: be an absolute not a necessarily start, but I thought 111 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: he would be a high end player and he's been fine. 112 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah he's been okay with the Buffalo Bills, but he 113 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: hasn't been that, And so you talk about it a 114 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: more accomplished rusher and a Vanessa over Lucas Vanesse. I 115 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: think the one thing, the motor, the energy, the things 116 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: that you see on tape. I think we've seen more 117 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: of those kinds of guys have success of late, the 118 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: guys that just kind of outwork you on the edge 119 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: and win with second and third effort. He gives you that, 120 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: you know, when you talk about like pass rushers and moves, 121 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: and you wonder how it's gonna translate. The guy that 122 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: I really have struggled with throughout this process has been 123 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: Miles Murphy from Clemson. When you see him like freak athlete, 124 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: like people talk about first step quickness and burst and 125 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: you see the flashes. I don't know if I necessarily 126 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: saw the dominance that you would expect to see. And 127 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: maybe I have that Cleveland Ferreal thing kind of hanging 128 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: in my head where I'm scouting to Hillman and not 129 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: necessarily the player. But I just worry because when was 130 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: the last great Clemson defensive end that had a lot 131 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: of success in the league. We haven't really seen that. No, 132 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, we had Shack Loss and then I can't 133 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: remember the other guy came out the same year Shack 134 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: Loss and he wouldn't even hire hours, Right, Um, we 135 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: had that, but there was another one Kevin died. Oh Ken, Yeah, yeah, 136 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: and so yeah, you're right. I mean, And the thing 137 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: with Miles Murphy is he's solid, like he's good against 138 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: the run, but he's not a real twitchy, explosive guy. 139 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: But he's rock solid, like he's a solid player. But 140 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: what's funny is in the in the in the in 141 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: the job we do in the business, we do you 142 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: know all these other guys have their their rankings out 143 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: in their mock drafts, and so I see all these 144 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: guys way up there, and I come in watching the 145 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: tape expecting to see that, and I realized, wait a minute, 146 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: I'm not seeing what what all this early what all 147 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: the early buzz is. And then you come in and 148 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: have a different opinion, and the fans get mad, like, 149 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: well we've been well everyone else thinks that. I'm like, well, 150 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: let's see if one else thinks that in a month? Yeah, 151 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: for too much? You know, when when more people start 152 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: weighing in. So um, I think I think Miles Murphy 153 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: for me, Now, he's gonna test well, he was on 154 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: I've been told. I think he might have been on 155 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: Bruster's Freaks List. Also, he's going to run well, he's 156 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,119 Speaker 1: going to test well. It's just that I don't always 157 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: see that twitch and that explosiveness on tape as a rusher. 158 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: But I think he's I think he's very very solid. 159 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: You know a guy that is was also on the 160 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: freak list, because that's what you see out here. We're 161 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: looking at the freaks, right, No, that's really where it 162 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: comes out. I mean, like that's what this is. Yeah, 163 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: I mean Will McDonald jumped over a car. Will McDonald 164 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: has that sort of thing. You don't. You don't stand 165 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: in the driveway just jump over pool. No, I mean 166 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: I did, but it's been years, like and not since 167 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: I was in my twenties as I jumping over cars, 168 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: but so it's been years. I can't even get back 169 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: to those days. But um, Will McDonald is gonna jump. 170 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: He's got a forty two inch vert. He's gonna broad 171 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: jump over eleven feet like this is freaky stuff. And 172 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: he's got to spin move. Wait until you see it, right, 173 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna be down on the field with Dwight Dwight Freeney. 174 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney. That spin move is exactly what Will McDonald's 175 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: inside spin counter appears to be modeled. Because he's got 176 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: the helicopter arms to exactly where you were. You're able 177 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: to work around a guy. But he's only I don't 178 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: know what his I don't know what his weight was. 179 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: I haven't seen his weight, but he's kind of thin wasted. 180 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: So in an entire draft, and we'll get into this 181 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: with with guys who are undersized like we've never seen before, 182 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: we're having to balance unusual size numbers with high end production. 183 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: And McDonald is a freaky athlete who I think is 184 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: definitely going to be in the first round, especially after 185 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: he showed shows out out here the the edge rusher 186 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: from Iowa State. Yeah, he's a fantastic player. I'll give 187 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: you one linebacker. Um, maybe all I need to do 188 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: is just put the shoe up. H No, but seriously 189 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: on Cam Jones. Um. Cam Jones played the first five 190 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: games as the best player in Indiana's defense by far, 191 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: was playing at an all Big ten level, got hurt 192 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: foot injury, missed the last seven games, and he is 193 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: And I was talking to Tom Allen, the head coach 194 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: at IU this week, and he was just saying, like 195 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: he's literally everything you would want a linebacker to be. 196 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: Embodies everything you would want from that position on your defense. 197 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: Now he's gonna test, fine, I don't know that he'll be, 198 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, like the wow guy in terms of the testing, 199 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: but where he will wow is in the suites and 200 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: in the meeting rooms, and teams are gonna love his 201 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: football IQ, which has gotten so much better. He came 202 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: to you as a wide receiver, he played safety then 203 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: moved to linebacker, so he's still relatively young in his 204 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: experience at that level. And I think his instincts in 205 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: his awareness well really good last year. He's going to 206 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: get even better. And the last thing I'll say about 207 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: it is like talking to the coaching staff, they firmly 208 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: believe if he was healthy, that won three more games. 209 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: Like that's the kind of impact that he can kind 210 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: of make. Well, he is an impact player. And you 211 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: see it popone, the fact he made a transition from 212 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: wide receiver to safety, didn't the linebacker speaks volumes about him. 213 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: Then one thing that you see on tape he can 214 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: run around. Yeah, Uh is that physicality. It's different. I 215 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: mean that to go from wide out to dan smack 216 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: and carry that toughness like that, he's something something. Now 217 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: I've seen you buzz about this guy because we've talked 218 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: about Jus Anders from Arkansas. Uh, do you feel like 219 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: there's not enough love in the streets from a man 220 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: for Arkans? It's funny. It's you know, I don't think 221 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: DJ here's one thing about him, and then I hear 222 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: another from teams and so I think, you know, I 223 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: think I'm higher than everyone else. I think he's a 224 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: back into the first round, second half of the first 225 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: round type guy from what I'm hearing um, but I 226 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: know this. He was a five star from Dent, Texas 227 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: who went to Nick Saban. I mean Nick Saban recruits 228 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: pretty good players. He went there as an edge pass rusher, 229 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: got behind a bunch of guys like Will Anderson, who 230 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: you're probably not going to play. He goes to Arkansas, 231 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: switches to inside linebacker and ends up with over one 232 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: hundred tackles, thirteen and a half tackles for losses, and 233 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: nine nine and a half sacks like and that's year one. 234 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: At inside backer. You can rush him outside off the edge, 235 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: you can get him, put him in the A gap 236 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: or B gap, and he's got this sweet little inside 237 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: move that's really tough for you know, guards to handle 238 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: and tough for plotting tackles. You can match him up 239 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: against certain tackles as an outside rusher, I think on 240 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: certain downs. Said, you know, I want to, I want 241 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: to compare him a little bit to Fred Warner, but 242 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: he doesn't. He doesn't cover. He didn't have the same 243 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: fluidity as Fred Warner. My company and my NFL Draft 244 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: pro fra file is Tremaine Edmonds because he was a 245 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: freaky long explosive and he's going to test well, he's 246 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: going to jump well. He fills up all the stat sheets, 247 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: just the statue just like Tremaine Edmonds did. But I 248 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: think he's got better potential instincts, although he's still learning. 249 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: You know, you can't just go from edge. I had 250 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: a corner tell me one time. You can't just go 251 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: from an outside position to down the middle and think 252 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: you're seeing the angles the same way. You got to 253 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: learn those angles and the only way you do it 254 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: as playing. Yeah. So here's the thing about about him. 255 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: You talk about comparing him to Fred Warner. When you 256 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: look at the sack production, it reminds me a lot 257 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: of what Devin White was able to do during his 258 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: time with tam Bay Buccaneers when he had a big 259 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: season where he was getting eight nine sacks with tam 260 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers and adding onto the rush as that. Bliszer 261 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: Sanders has that, and you talk about the edge rushing 262 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: experience in his background. That is something that I think 263 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: is valuable in today's game. And so I'm really excited 264 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: to kind of see him work out because I want 265 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: to see what it looks like. I just don't know 266 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: if he's gotten enough love. And then let's let's go 267 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: back to the uh, the Big Ten, because how about 268 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: my god Campbell Campbell, Yeah, Jack Campbell jam like with 269 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: Lucas Van Nest, like I talk about Iowa all year long, 270 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: I rarely mentioned the guy who might get who is 271 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: gonna get drafted maybe a round ahead of Jack Campbell. 272 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: Um you talk about Jack Cambell, I talk about Riley 273 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: Moss a lot. There just wasn't that conversation on Lucas Vanest. 274 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: But anyway, everyone knows who Jack Campbell is. Yeah, that's 275 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, everyone knows. I mean, you talk about superproductive. 276 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: We talk about the traffic cop like that position is 277 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: about being able to communicate and relay all the information 278 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: to everybody from the sideline to the field. But then 279 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: to make plays and have the physicality and thump that 280 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: you need. He brings that and it's impressive. You know, 281 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: it's funny we talk about IOWA. I know, a couple 282 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: of years ago I came here in this stadium and 283 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: Washton played Michigan in the Big Ten championship game. Wasn't 284 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: the same kind of team this year? But man about 285 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: putting out players. We'll have some players, and especially on 286 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: the defensive side because there's more dudes. There's more and 287 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: there's more dudes comments. So you know, speaking of Jack, 288 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: Jack Cambell needs to run well. That goes for every 289 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: linebacker day. So the number used to be four seven. 290 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: You need to be under that was the line of 291 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: demarcation is four seven. Josie Jewel, for example, super productive. 292 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: He was over that mark. It was a fourth round pick, 293 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: so you want to be under that mark. But I 294 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: think more and more, what's happening. We're gonna have Trent 295 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: and Simpson come out here from Clemson and running a 296 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: four fource right, So more and more the speed is 297 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: now coming down even more in they're getting faster and smaller, 298 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering now if that four six high four 299 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: six is even good enough anymore. Now at some of 300 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: the linebacker possessions, I think they want you being down 301 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: in the low four six is now because the league 302 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: is so speed intensive. Yea, it is fed INTI if 303 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: you gotta have guys that can run on the second level, 304 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: those playmaking position to guys that kind of tie everything 305 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: from the front end to the back end. They're really important. 306 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: We've seen teams that have those defensive playmakers. Are you 307 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: able to get it done? And well, we're about to do. Yes, 308 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: We're gonn take a little break and then we can 309 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: come back and talk about some of these dvs. All 310 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: right back here and move the six combine a hit 311 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: coverage beginning today Thursday, three pm e Stern on NFL 312 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: Network d Lineman and linebackers on the field. You'll see 313 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: some of those guys we just talked about here, getting 314 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: you ready for the upcoming NFL Draft. You'll see Rich Eisen, 315 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah, Stacy. Dale's will be down on the field, 316 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: Chris Rose, Charles Davis, Peter Schrager, and Ian Rapport of 317 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: course as well. And then I'll be on NFL Plus 318 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: today down here on the field for the drill portion 319 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: only with us some a star studded cast fellas. I 320 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: got Calais Campbell, Okay, Matt Judon, Oh, Dwight Freeney, Me 321 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: and Judon have beef. Oh you do? Yeah? Oh? Judon said, 322 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: he said, y'all don't listen to land zerline come draft tigh, 323 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: because he basically said I was trash and I'm like, 324 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what So I went to I draft. 325 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: I went to my draft profile. It was a very 326 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: friendly draft profile. It was very friendly, had twenty sacks 327 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: at Grand Valley. I cut it out. I just said 328 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: that he had to prove he could come off the 329 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: ACL tear, which he had at the time, and prove 330 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: he could compete against a higher level of competition. Pretty 331 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: much standard stuff, you know. And so I copied him 332 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: pasting on Twitter, and I said, this is what you're like. 333 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: You thought I was calling you trash here and people 334 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: are like Matt, My own family talks worse about me 335 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: than Lance talked about you. So yeah, so Matt, body's 336 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: got something, I said. I said, that's fine. I know. 337 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: I thought DK metcalf was like I had him seventh 338 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: in the draft. He went last pick of the second round. 339 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: He took my weakness a section and put it in 340 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: his put it in his locker room. About the strength, 341 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: K what about the drugs success? I think, I mean, 342 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: if I have to drive, if I have to drive it, 343 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: that's fine. That's fine. Son. With those guys on NFL 344 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: Plus only for the drills, the NFL Plus players only combined, 345 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: so excited for that. Um and then of course tomorrow Friday, 346 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: we get d DBS right the corners and the safety 347 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: takes center stage where we might see some Usually it's 348 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: wide receivers that hate Bucky, like, uh you know this 349 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: how you know I've been doing shows with for years now. Yeah, 350 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: because players are starting to get upset with me, like 351 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: they get upset with Bucky. Tyler Boyd had some beef 352 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: with mayock Um a couple of years ago when he 353 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: was coming out, wasn't in the top five. Now Bucky's 354 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: thinking on the role of the top five Plucky. Bucky 355 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: won his beef with his player that year, George Pig Yeah, 356 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: I think he's somewhere like, oh boy, yeah. So we 357 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: got a lot going on here at the combine Bucky 358 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: fight actually run of forty Oh no, yeah, the workers 359 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: there's no run Bucky run, no none, none of that. 360 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: Let's get to the DBS here, Budd. Look, the dB 361 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: UH conversation is gonna be interesting because there's a lot 362 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: to separate. I mean, people will talk about Devon with 363 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: this moone from Illinois Ball Scales, and I feel like 364 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: it's just like a Big ten only podcast. I feel 365 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: like we're talking to a lot of that's just where 366 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: the best players are. I feel like j like we 367 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: were talking about Wetherspoon from Illinois, we got Jordy Porter 368 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: Julie from Michigan. I mean, we have a lot of 369 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: guys to talk about. Where the spoon. To me, I 370 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: want to see what he weighs in, what he looks 371 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: like physically, because he was listed at one eighty throughout 372 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: the fall, and that's a little light, but you can play. 373 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: I mean, even though we saw Sauce Gardner, who appeared 374 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: to be kind of tall and lean in those things 375 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: he played at an all pro level, the guys, the 376 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: guys he hits generally feel like he weighs more. Yeah, 377 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: I mean look light as a rock, evidently, like he 378 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: does bring he does bring the pain. The one thing 379 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: that I like about him is how fluid he is 380 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: in everything that he does, his turns and transitions. He's 381 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: been well coached up on how to play the game 382 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: on the perimeter, and then the physicality, the physicality and stuff, 383 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: just the instincts, all those things. You see. It is 384 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: a great opportunity for him to kind of submit his 385 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: status as the undisputed number one corner in this draft 386 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: because he has a lot of tools that he brings 387 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: to the table. You're born with ball skills or you're not, 388 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: like I don't. You can do things to improve him, 389 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: but you either are born with that dog. It's part dog, 390 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: part hand eye coordination. Like you just yeah, like my yeah, 391 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: I could not play dB, thank you very much. Yeah, 392 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: there you go. So but I think that you know, 393 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: with Witherspoon, there was a couple of times on tape 394 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: I want to see like, I want to see him run. 395 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: I want to see him run because there was a 396 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: couple of times where I got a little bit concerned 397 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: about the speed. But at the end of the day, 398 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: ball skills are the most important thing in football, I think, 399 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you can cover up certain speed deficiencies, but 400 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't really know that he's speed deficiency. He's supposed 401 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: to run about a four four five out of here. 402 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty fast. It is pretty fast. The 403 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: guy did I have the issue with this is Joey 404 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: Porter Junior. Because a lot of people I have him 405 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: probably he's the presumptive number two quarterback on the board. 406 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: The one thing that I love is I like the size. 407 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: I like to land, the range and all that. I 408 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: never see him backpedal. I never see him backpedal. I 409 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: see him played knows and knows he hasn't shown a 410 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: proficiency when it comes to playing off and backfield of 411 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: transition and driving, and in these drills, we're gonna have 412 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: to see some of that truth. Serum. Can you just 413 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: don't play him that way? Right? Because I don't think 414 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: he can play that one. So I don't think you 415 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: can play that way. But man, he's limited in terms 416 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: of that. And he's also kind of handsy. So if 417 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: he can't play with his feet and he's all arms 418 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: and hands where you know, the league is different. Only 419 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: get five yards, but that's but he could literally touch 420 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: the receiver from five yards off, Like that's how long 421 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: his arms are. Um, do I mean you guys remember 422 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: watching the Purdue game right the opener against Penn State. 423 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: They targeted him fourteen times and he had like a 424 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: school record six pass break up Jones couldn't he was 425 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: he was plugging Jones up at the he was getting 426 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: him up off the press. But that's what I really like, 427 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: Like to me, he's only he's a press only guy. 428 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: Or maybe you can run a little shuffle cover three. 429 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: Let him side shuffle. But I'm with you, Bucky. When 430 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: I watched him on tape, you don't see him pedal 431 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: and transition, because I think that's a big weakness of his. 432 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: But it makes him more scheme dependent, and so now 433 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: fewer teams, like the amount of teams willing to consider 434 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: you might shrink a little bit. Yeah, I mean, why 435 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: have you Why have we not talked about Christian Gonzalez. 436 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to take it to the pack. I'm trying 437 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: to get it out of the big ten, Lucky, I'm 438 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: gonna get it on the West coast. This guy is 439 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: gonna run really fast. He's six foot two, two hundred pounds. 440 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: He's going to jump out of the gym. He's gonna 441 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: run really fast. And I think you're gonna see a 442 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: smoothness in his hips. Rarely do you see a guy 443 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: with this kind of straight line speed with that size 444 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: and fluidity. A lot of times they're a little tighter 445 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: into hips. And I think now I actually liked his 446 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: Colorado tape better than twenty one. I was actually ask 447 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: you about that. And he went to Oregon and he 448 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: and Drake Lennon had a great battle. Uh and Drake 449 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: Drake won a couple of those, you know for a 450 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: big cash and a touchdown. But I think Christian Gonzalez 451 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: is a guy who after his combine, I think he 452 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: jumps into the top eight. I'm gonna predict HECB one 453 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: after the combine. I'm with you on it. I think 454 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: he can be CB one. Um, you know down the 455 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: line a little bit, I'm I'm kind of intrigued with 456 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: Kyo Blue Kelly at Stanford. You know, good, it's good 457 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: senior Yeah, good Senior Bowl, and you know, didn't have 458 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: I felt like his junior year was a little bit 459 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: better than this past year, almost like Paulson Adebo. We 460 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: remember coming out, had the phenomenal sophomore year, like you 461 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: led the league in pass breakups, led the led the 462 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: nation and pass breakups, and then kind of, um, you 463 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: know what, junior year wasn't good and then he was 464 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: a COVID opt out, so no one knew like, yeah 465 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: they were getting Yeah. So I kind of feel a 466 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: little bit similar with Kayu, whose dad was Brian Kelly, 467 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion with Tampa Bay Bucks, great safety, but 468 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: finished his career with the two thousand and eight Detroit Lions, 469 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: which you might remember did not win a single football 470 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: game sixteen. But I asked Kayu about that and he 471 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: was like, I learned so much about dealing with adversity 472 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: in this game from my dad's experience with that team, 473 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: and so I just like, I like the fact that 474 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: this dude has has football and his bloodlines, he knows 475 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: about the game, he's been around the game with his dad, 476 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: and and just kind of has some of those experiences 477 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: and you know, has some of that knowledge on how 478 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: to deal with everything that the NFL will essentially throw 479 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: at you when you get you guys were both at 480 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: East West right, Yes, okay. I watched the guy on 481 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: tape the other day. I wrote up. I finished all 482 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: the combine guys were three hundred, three hundred and fifty 483 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: even right now. That's beautiful. So I wrote this guy up, 484 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, how is he? How is he 485 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: not getting talked about? Maybe he is by teams. It 486 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: was Terrell Smith from Minnesota. Man, he was all over 487 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: everybody on tape, good size, he had good movie. He 488 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: was a press corner. I watched the year before and 489 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: the technique wasn't very good, and he just he wasn't 490 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: nearly as good and then I watched the next year. 491 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, he went to school. He's staying low, 492 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: he's real smooth down his pedal, his transitions are better. 493 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: I mean technique, guys. This is why you can't quit 494 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: on a player when they're freshmen or sophomores, the same 495 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: way you can't win their rookies. Like, guys can get better. 496 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: But I don't know how he played at East West, 497 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: but I thought his tape was really really good. Yeah, 498 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: I think he did. He did well in the one 499 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: on ones um, you know, for a bigger corner. I 500 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: feel like there are some big corners in this draft too. 501 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: My goodness, right before he try six three to nineteen 502 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: from him on Perdue, I mean big ten of well, 503 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, did look the kipe kid lead. Everyone's looking 504 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: for the next to Rique Woollen. Yeah, because Torique Woolen 505 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: fifth round pig, has has success, plays at a high level. 506 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: All those things. People are looking for, that big athletic corner. 507 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: All those dudes are gonna run four two, six, though, 508 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: like no, no, no no, no, no, no, absolutely not, and 509 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: not all of them will find a scheme that's perfect 510 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: for what they bring to the table. Great point, great point, Um, okay, 511 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: let's see Riley moss Another interesting one. How do you 512 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: do with the Senior Bowl? Because I didn't get to 513 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: see him, but it was good. Riley was solid. Yeah, 514 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: he played solid. He's solid on tape. I think he's 515 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: more of like a fifth round guy. I think he's 516 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: a backup of cornerback. Four. Um, A lot of people 517 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: are going to talk about transitioners safety. That's you know, 518 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: that's the talk to you you always get into. Because 519 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: I know Bucky's died to talk about it. We can 520 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: talk about it. No, you can. Look, Look, I can. 521 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: I can say this because I played against Jason Sehorn 522 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: and Jason and Jason Sehorn is a rare animal on that. Yeah. 523 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean I gave him a little work in college. 524 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: But that's all right because did you played for a 525 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: long time. He's super athletic. The thing about Roddy Mosson 526 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: he has to notice and everyone has to notice when 527 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: you put him out there, he's gonna get all the 528 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: smoke and so can he mentally hold up against like 529 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: all the balls going his way. But he's a terrific player. 530 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: He has great instincts and awareness and understand that natural 531 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: conversation people say, hey, he has to bump inside. But 532 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: for me, you put him outside and let him, let 533 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: him live on the island for a little bit, and 534 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: if he can, you leave me at corner. If not, 535 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: then you always can move him into this. He's tough, 536 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: like he could play cover too and go and go 537 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: hit you. He's got some instincts, he's got some quick movement, 538 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: like he's a legit corner. He's going to make it 539 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: in the league. The question is going to be what 540 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: scheme is in a corner or is he going to 541 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: be at safety? But I talked to a couple of 542 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: DV coaches said, no, he's a corner. There's you don't 543 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: need to put him. There's no reason to talk about 544 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: put him in safety right now. I'm gonna play himself 545 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, let's get quickly because you know, 546 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: obviously with the defenses on tap Thursday, Friday, let's get 547 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: quickly to the weekend here because we'll have a few 548 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: more pods this weekend too and tomorrow and Saturday to 549 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: preview in morning depth what's going on with the QBS 550 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: and stuff. But let's start right there, buck with the 551 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: QBS that we're intrigued to see. Oh, it's showtime. It's showtime. 552 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: Like you know, Bryce Young elected to sit this one out. 553 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: But we're in the Midwest, Apolo. Yeah, we're gonna see. Yeah, 554 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: we're gonna see. We go see some guys show improve 555 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna talk about c J. Strout, and rightfully so, 556 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: because he and Bryce Young are competing for that that 557 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: QB one spot. So he'll have an opportunity to be 558 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: center stage and show the world how he can spend it. 559 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: This is has great natural talent. He throws it the 560 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: ball as well as anybody that I've seen in a 561 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: long time. And you go back and you look at 562 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: the tape. Man, however you want it, he can deliver 563 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: to you that way. So his ability to spend it, 564 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: everyone will look at that. But then you know what 565 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: it is, man, it's the tools, guys, it's the tools 566 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: and the talent and the traits that would be Will 567 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: Levis and Anthony Richardson gets your potport ready there they're 568 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: in the They got their own category, right, Bryce is 569 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: in one category. Then you got CJ in his own 570 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: by the way, most accurate pass around the quarterback, no doubt. 571 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: He puts it on his head if it's a swing 572 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: pass he's got, he's leading you, you're gonna catch it, 573 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: and you're This ball placement's terrific. I mean, it can't 574 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: be said enough. But the other two guys, Levis and Richardson, 575 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: So these are the guys that now everyone has the 576 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: Josh Allen thing to lean on. It gives you the 577 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: hope maybe here the next Josh Allen. Right now, that 578 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: might be that might be a false outlier. That is, 579 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: you're chasing a unicorn. There's a good chance that you 580 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: also might be the next Jake Locker. So you got 581 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: to be careful because not everyone and by the way, 582 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: that was my comp on Josh Allen. So I clearly 583 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: missed on Josh Allen. But not everyone can can correct 584 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: those those accuracy issues. But without question, Anthony Richardson to 585 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: me has the type of talent that, without question, if 586 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: all the things go right, he's the best quarterback in 587 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: the draft if everything goes right, which is very, very difficult. 588 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: But he has mobility, but some of us will Levis. 589 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: Levis was playing through three injuries. Levis has mobility too, 590 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: but takes way too many sacks. Richardson has true dual threat, 591 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: big time dual threat capability. He has the biggest storm 592 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: in the draft, I believe, in terms of just pure power, 593 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: and then you know, but the problem is he still 594 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: has a long way to go in terms of the 595 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: Polish so you have to be in the right position 596 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: to let him develop, and probably the right quarterback coach 597 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: slash head coach maybe with that too. Will Levis is 598 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 1: a guy that the twenty two tape is, I mean, 599 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: it's just bad. It was bad. It's not good. And 600 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: then you find out he had three injuries that most 601 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: guys would have been out for the year and he 602 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: played through them. So you got to go back to 603 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: twenty one. And I still think there are issues in 604 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: twenty one, but I'm not gonna lie. There's some tapes 605 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: where you say who there's some throws where you go, wow, 606 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: it's Aaron Rodgers type stuff. But there's too many. There's 607 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: too many really bad Aaron throws right now and decision 608 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: making problems for me on Taye Bucky to get down 609 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: with this one through three stuff. Yeah, I get that too. 610 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 1: And I felt like when I was watching Levis, like 611 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: the phrase that kept coming to mind is sometimes he's 612 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: courageously oblivious, Like he's just like he will stand in there. 613 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: It's almost as if he does not care, yeah about 614 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: where obliviously courageous either one or the other, yes, one 615 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 1: way or the other. Like you remember the game against Florida, 616 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: right the dude comes off the right side and just 617 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: ear holes in helmet pops off. You know, everybody's like, 618 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: holy smokes, is this dude alright? Very tough? He pops 619 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: back up and he's like, all right, cool, that's all 620 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: you got. I'm like, all right, well that's cool. I 621 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: love thee This is why some people will say, this 622 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: is why some teams will look at a play like 623 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: that and they immediately go, hey, Bryce Young, can you 624 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: can you handle that? Hang in and take that? Because 625 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: we know he could for years, Roethlisberger could, Cam Newton 626 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: could you know, justin uh Fields can although he's been 627 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: banged up, Yeah he has, he has. But you know 628 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: that's why they look at those big guys. But it's 629 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: unfortunate that Bryce isn't gonna throw. But I figured this 630 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: is what I thought, like a couple weeks ago, I said, 631 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? As Bryce is gonna come in, He's 632 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: gonna wait two hundred he's gonna hit the magic two 633 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: hundred on the scale. He's not gonna run, he's not 634 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: gonna throw. And then when he gets back to his 635 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: pro day and he's weighing his real way, he ain't 636 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: gonna check in on the way on the scale that day. 637 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: You got good. That the last thing I'll say on 638 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks with Anthony Richardson, I just like, hatsit, man, 639 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: Like great. I love that you're gonna run. Showcase your skills, man, 640 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: show your strength. If that's one of your strengths, go 641 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: out there and show it, you know, Like, Hey, I 642 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: want to ask you guys a general question on this 643 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: because we're all on social media and Bucky, you see 644 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: all the different smoke that's out there. I felt like 645 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: one of the things that was truly unfair to Malik 646 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: Willis last year is that Twitter and social media built 647 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: this kid up so far beyond what the tape was, 648 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: that the expectations probably for him in his camp and 649 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,239 Speaker 1: everyone involved were so outrageous. And then when he goes 650 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: in the third round, he became the guy that everyone 651 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: wants to see his reaction and all this, And I'm 652 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: seeing some similar stuff with Anthony richardson where I think 653 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: the hype the hype is for. They keep showing the 654 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: LSU run and there's a throw where he rolls right 655 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: and throws a dime in the end zone. But I 656 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: feel like the hype is on where the tape is now, 657 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: and I think we have to keep in mind it 658 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: these guys, all of them need developed. Chris Ballard said this, 659 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: every one of these quarterbacks need development, including Bryce Young. 660 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: There's a development that needs to happen. So I know 661 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: the hype train on social media gets strong, but man, 662 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: give these guys a chance to grow up and quit 663 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: trying to be divorce reason. I want to hear that 664 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to Anthony Richard, the one thing that 665 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: I worry about is lack of experience. Only one year. Yeah, 666 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: when we've seen the quarterbacks that have had success normally 667 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: they played two three years as starters. Those reps matter, 668 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: and so for him, he is really a developmental prospect. 669 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: But if you're hit on him, you talk about a 670 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: guy that can be a game changer. Let's do just 671 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: a couple of quick whiteouts and tight ends and then 672 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: we'll get to the running backs and offensive lineman tomorrow. 673 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: Since they're not on till Sunday, so white out for me. 674 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see Quentin Johnson run the gauntlet. 675 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: I want to see him run the gunt. I want 676 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: to see, Yeah, I want to see natural hands because 677 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: I feel like the ten drops that he had this 678 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: year are the ten percent of drops on the targets 679 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: that he had. The majority of them were body where 680 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: when he let it come into his body and it 681 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: would bounce off. He couldn't he couldn't cradle it. Some 682 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: of them too, were focused drops. Like I talked to 683 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: him about it and he's like, yeah, like you know, 684 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm there was a number of those plays where I 685 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: dropped the ball where I was thinking too much about 686 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, spin moving out of a tackle or spin 687 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: moving on a safety. Yeah, well that that too. Um 688 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: So I want to see natural hands catches from Quentin Johnson, 689 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: and I want to see Tyler Scott light up the 690 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: turf out here. Fast dude is a fun player to watch, 691 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: player to watch, Uh Scott from Cincnati. But the guy 692 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about, Quinn Johnson, the body catching thing is everything. 693 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: And so that gauntlet it's gonna go. It could expose 694 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be great, or it's gonna be really really ugly. Yeah, 695 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: it's really really up. That's a problem. And early on 696 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: in the gauntlet, because Red likes to drill. That's my 697 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: favorite trill. If he babbles the ball, the next one 698 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: may hit him in the nose. Yes, the next one. 699 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: So that's that's the thing. Else in the head. I 700 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: hope he spent a lot of time a practicing because 701 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: if he babbles that, that that first one and he 702 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: looks and hit him right into those pool And every 703 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: once while there's one quarterback out of here throwing, that's 704 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: gonna make he wants to show everyone how strong that 705 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: army is. There's always one guy who's throwing rockets. I 706 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: want to see Jalen Hyatt. Um is Jalen running? Do 707 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: we know? I haven't seen anything on You got the gas? Yea, 708 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: the high Team, real life gas. And it's just because 709 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: you think he's a long strider. Trust me, he can 710 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: get there real quick. He's gonna he's gonna run real fast. 711 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: If he runs, Tyler Scott will be fast. Um. This 712 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: is an interesting year because so many small wide receivers. 713 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: Although Zay Flowers has gotten more jacked. He's been hitting 714 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: the weights. But Josh Downs, Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison, little 715 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: Tank Dell, who's gonna run on the flow four threes? 716 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: Look he ty he's one hundred and sixty three at 717 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: the combine. But you can't, like, can you get hurt 718 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: if no one touches you? Ever shooting two out? Well? 719 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: Yeah no, I know so. And in the game, see 720 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: here's the delimited all these scouts and teams will have 721 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to those little guys. Where was the 722 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: last who's the last little guy that we've seen dominated 723 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: the game? It's hard to wide receiver is just really 724 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: hard to find. And when people bring up Tyreek Hill, 725 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: he's built like a he's stacked. Yeah, these other dudes 726 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: are not built like that. And so when I look 727 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: at Josh Downs and Jordan Addison and those guys, I 728 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: really really wonder how those guys are going to perform. 729 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: And you know, it's just tough and a big man's 730 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: game to have the little guy out there taking all 731 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: those shots. And I hear Smith and jakeba is not 732 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: gonna run. So that was the big question on him 733 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: as what's he gonna run? And so he's not running 734 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: on the forty. Is he gonna Is he gonna catch 735 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: He's guy. I don't know, hopefully, because that's his strength. 736 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: There's no reason not to. But you know, people want 737 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: to know is forty. And I'm really curious to see 738 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: if he even runs it at a because more and 739 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: more there's there's players here and there who decide we're 740 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: just not gonna run at all. He's gonna try to 741 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: skirt it. I think he's a four or five five guy. Um. 742 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: I love is rob running Bill. I think he's the 743 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: best rob running the thing. However, I am surprised more 744 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: wide receiver coaches that I talked to they say he's 745 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: a slot only. I see him as somebody who could 746 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: go outside there like nah, but this dude is a 747 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: slot old player. And if he's only a slot player, 748 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: it diminishes his value. Yea. Everyone's putting him so high. 749 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't have him there for the very reason you're 750 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: talking about Buck. I don't know that he can just 751 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: shake people and get away from people outside. I'm not 752 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: sure that the premium athletes don't cover him up. Now. 753 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: I know the ball skills are great. I have no 754 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: doubt about that. Contested catches, but I do wonder and 755 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: he's a good route runner, but I kind of think 756 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: the same way he's going to be more of a 757 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: big slot. Um. And if you're a big slot, I 758 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: think Jordan Addison for me is more of a slot. 759 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 1: Like how high can you take those guys? That's that's 760 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: my question in this year's draft. And see my thing 761 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: with Jordan Addison. It looked one way at Pittsburgh, looked 762 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: a different way at USC. Yeah, he played, in my 763 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: estimation with a better quarterback at USC. Didn't did Pittsburgh 764 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: and it's a different offense. But I didn't see him 765 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: dominated that way. I didn't disparage we're talking about talking 766 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: in two first rounds. But where Jordan Duson was way different, 767 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: way different, didn't dominate the packs will and but all accounts, 768 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: I love the ACC As an ACC guy, it's a 769 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: little different. It's a little different. He dominated a C 770 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: didn't as much of the pack. Yeah, so um, all right, 771 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: so we've got see we didn't get to tight ends. 772 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: We'll get to that. We've got more pods. Kate is 773 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: all you need, dog kin Kate. In terms of the 774 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: rail runner, he's a guy Darnielle Washington from Georgia is 775 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: the athlete. I really just let Musgrave from Morgas state 776 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: good point. Um. I really disturbed some Jets fans by saying, 777 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: if Dalton Kinkade is there at thirteen, they should fill 778 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: out the card and go up and get it. Get 779 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: them a guy. They were not happy about it. Sorry, 780 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: who did you want to? They were? They were just 781 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: very they were very um in their feelings about Jeremy Rucker, 782 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: and they were like, well, we just drafted a tight end. Like, 783 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: don't mean you can't go get a better one. You 784 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 1: get always twelve twelve personnel. You ever heard of twelve? 785 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: That's sweeping the nation? All right, So we got a 786 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: lot more coming up for you this We've got wrap 787 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: up pods each and every day, preview pods. We got 788 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: the whole deal coming up here for you. So looking 789 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: looking forward to spending the next couple of days here 790 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis again, we'll be back. We got combined today 791 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: coming up here in a little gal coming up um. 792 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: And then of course we've got all the drills in 793 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: action on NFL Plus on NFL Network. I mean, you've 794 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: got millions of different ways to watch all the great 795 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: content that we're gonna put out here for you in 796 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: Indianapolis over the next few days. Thanks for listening to 797 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: move to six. Back with you later.