WEBVTT - #466 - Emilio Rojas 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:00.640 What up, y'all? 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.640 Amelio Rojas, I'm here on the Bootleg keV podcast. 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:04.720 Check it out. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:12.600 Bootleg CAV podcast Special guest here, my guy, Emilia Rojas. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.880 Hey, what up? Man? Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. A new album 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.959 is out right now. Yeah, dude, it's I'm hype. Like 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:21.880 I was gonna say, you say you felt fell back 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:23.040 in level with rap again. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.959 Yeah, like with rapping, with rapping because. 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:27.720 You're you know, you're one of them ones. But you know, 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:29.400 I feel like you've kind of expanded some of your 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:31.680 sound over the years at different different times. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.760 You know, I was chasing records. I'm not gonna lie, 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:35.680 you know, like I was caught in that like trying 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.720 to get a hit. Yeah, you know, because I had 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.000 a little bit of success like where shit like almost happened. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:41.720 I was like, oh this is nice. And then, you know, 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.520 how do you feel about like right now it does 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.479 feel as wide open as ever to be a latinum See, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.600 I mean I think it like the Mexican ship right 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:51.080 now is lit. 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.320 The Mexican Ship is lick. Shout out to Coyote, Yeah, 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:58.240 you know those A homies. Shout out to homie Dominman, 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:02.160 Fire Fire Fire, it's like I think to be a 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:06.400 Latino right now, you know, it's like a specific I 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:07.800 think the Mexican Ship is lit. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:09.880 Yeah, I don't know. I still don't know. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:11.399 I don't know how I feel about it, because it's 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.959 still like it's still you called it the Mexican Ship, 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:15.399 you know what I mean. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:17.679 I'm saying, like, well, that's fair, that's a fair point everything. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:19.840 But like all the labels are looking for like the 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:21.880 next Mexicano T. Now they're like, yeah, we need to 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.280 we need to sign Mexican, the new Mexicano T. And 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.039 then I feel like the l A the La ship 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:32.320 is just like there's so much like I guess, virality 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.240 behind a lot of this ship. What do you mean, 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.040 like Lefty Gunplay? Oh yeah, yeah, Like Lefty gun Play 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:38.760 is going crazy on it. But you know, and the 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.640 music is like it's like real street shit, Like his 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.520 music mean too, he's dope, And you know, I feel 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.320 like there was like a guy like guys like Coyote 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.680 are getting like just a lot of love and respect 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.640 because they're just doing dope ship and they happen to 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.360 be Mexican. Yeah, I mean, I think that's kind of 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.000 the goal. Is like the music has gotten a lot better, 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.320 and I think like finally, like the quote unquote, like 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:07.040 music industry is recognizing like in the United States, like 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.440 you know, Mexicans are probably gonna be the biggest minority 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.080 and if they're not already, at least in the Southwest. Yeah, 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.120 it's it's crazy. So it's like it's weird. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:18.480 I think like in the past, there was a lot 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.720 of emphasis on like being an exotic Latino, like you know, 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.600 you have people from like Latin America, right, But now 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:26.760 I think they recognize, Oh, these kids that listen to 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:28.720 Bad Money also listen to Drake, So there's like a 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.200 full demographic of people that. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.880 Again, a lot of the Corridos artists are like they 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.000 dressed like rappers. The fools are fucking double cupped, double supreme. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.520 Yeah, hella chains on, Yeah, they got front I excuse me, 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.520 grills showing my age. 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:43.799 Well, why do you think you fell back in love 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.400 with getting back to you know, kind of because the 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.560 project is dope. It's a really dope body of work, 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.080 and you're you know, I feel like it's like a 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.120 nice like updated version of what you were kind of 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.520 like people knew you for you know, ten years ago. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:58.880 Yeah, yeah, I feel like that too, And I wanted 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.200 to really just focus on telling stories that not a 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.040 lot of people were telling, you know, like I got 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:03.560 a record on that. 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.839 Did you hear Teal Forever yet? Yeah? 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.200 So Teal Forever is like about me not having kids, 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.320 right or like, you know, there's a skateboard record and 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.280 I know Lupe did kick Push, but it wasn't the 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:15.840 most authentic skateboard. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.200 How you grew up wanted to be a skater? 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know, it was like I 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.839 think I really wanted to tell those stories. And we're 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:27.040 also like in this really interesting time, like just in general, 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.640 like with life right where I feel like different voices 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.919 need to be heard and perspectives and I just think 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:34.360 it's time. 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.720 Do you feel like at a time like right now 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:42.520 in the world, we're lacking conscious rap? 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.640 Yeah, for sure, you don't need those SKA I don't 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.560 need them on so lacking conscious rap. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:49.520 I think. 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.560 I think the music industry, the hip hop industry has 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.120 only historically, really ever let a few conscious lyricists in right, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.280 and I think even the ones that we have, like 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.640 kind of you know, carrying the torch right now, are 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.000 not the most conscious, they're a little vapid and they're 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:06.000 a little narcissistic. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.120 Yes, but that's what I mean. Like like back in 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.760 the day, you think when we're yeah, I know who 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.560 you're talking about, but uh, there's one guy that popped 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:16.400 in my head. But back in the day when we 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:20.480 had kind of that like ninety eight, ninety nine, two 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.040 thousands era, there was like kind of the main quote 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.000 unquote conscious rappers. I just don't know who that is now. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:31.240 Now that's like talking about like world issues, the issues 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:35.680 that are like extremely I mean, you're you just did 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.720 a crazy freestyle. People want to go watch it. You 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:42.680 would touch on so much stuff. But I just feel 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:48.839 like we're lacking like a young voice that has I guess, 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:50.960 like a hold of the kids that can kind of 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.240 like because I feel like there's so much like the 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.120 capitalism comes first with all these new artists, like I 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.600 don't know who's standing for shit, like for real, like 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:00.440 right now, you know what I'm saying, Like I think 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.320 it's easy to post a meme, but like's where's the 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.720 fucking content and the music? Here's the records? Right? 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.640 Yeah, It's like you know, I think that kid Red 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.919 Veil I haven't heard of him, so he was. I 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:12.839 think he's on you know, a Mirabasi. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:17.279 I've heard of him, the label, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.440 he's got he's got his Sparta shit Sparta. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.480 Yeah, it's I think they dropped a record, I believe. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:21.840 I haven't. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.680 I haven't heard the record, but I know he uh. 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.920 He was like very pro Palestine like one of his shows, 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.400 and like, you know, I think that's dope. You got 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.320 like Kilanie, I know she's not a hip hop artist, 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:31.560 for sure, She's saying a lot of dope. 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.120 Ship with the ships, for sure. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:35.880 But I feel like you're right, you know that people 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.719 ain't talking about ship. Yeah, people just really concerned about, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:40.520 like you know, where the next check is coming from, 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:41.880 not really ruffling feathers. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.039 I think like being a conscious rapper now is like 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:50.200 supporting Kamala Harris. Yeah, which is fucking it's crazy performative. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.480 It's yeah, it's like how you I don't understand how 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.280 people could. And I also I feel like a lot 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.080 of the artists that have been labeled as like quote 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:03.320 unquote conscious kind of like view the term as derogatory, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.920 you know, like they shy away from it. Like I'm 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.120 not a conscious rapper. I just talked, I'm just a rapper. 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:08.400 Yeah. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.640 Yeah, but it's like there's nothing wrong with where yeah 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:12.120 for sure. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.760 Yeah, Like I even think, like fuck, like, you know, 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.359 a Mortal Technique back in the day when I was 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.160 a kid, was like I was a fucking sixteen year old, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.040 like listening to a Mortal technique. Do you know what 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.479 that did to my Yeah? For sure, Like I had 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:29.719 a Mortal Technique to like go to and be like 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.680 wait a minute, this is crazy. Yeah, And I just 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.680 don't know who that is right now, Like I just 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.640 don't know who's doing that, and I don't know if 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.440 it's It just sucks because I feel like it's I 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.400 mean like it's I mean, obviously you just put out 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.120 a dope album and and but I just mean in 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.520 terms of like who's the sixteen year old jumping to, 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.440 Like I was like, you know, I had I had 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.680 certain artists that I could go to to feel like, 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.159 oh I could learn Public Enemy. Yeah, there's no Public 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:58.559 Enemy right now, you know what I mean? Like Public 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.400 Enemy was super important because I were I mean, they 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.080 were a little bit before my time in terms of 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.240 like my age. But like I went and read the 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:09.080 autobi like Chuck Chucky's biography and went back and listened 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:10.360 to shit and I was like, oh shit, but it 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.480 was I just don't know where that's coming from right now. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.360 Like, yeah, I agree with you man, it's and it's 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.200 just it's a shame because hip hop has always been 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.920 like about like, you know, rebellion. In my opinion, for sure, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.880 it started out in New York City because of like 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.000 really shitty economic conditions, right, and like people were just 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:27.080 and partying. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.920 You know, it's like it is what it is, right, 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.240 But yeah, yeah, somebody needs to fucking I mean, I 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.920 guess if it's on purpose because you feel like there's 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.560 a niche to feel, it wouldn't be as organic and good. 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.240 But yeah, it's like somebody from the younger generation got 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:45.840 to step up for real. Yeah, you have your Venezuela 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:50.240 jersey on. Oh yes, there is a huge Your country 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:55.040 is in the news. Yeah right now, now, I am, 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.880 I would say, pretty. So let me get this straight. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:03.640 There's a election. Sunday was the election. Sunday was the election. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.240 One party claimed that they won, right, the opposition party, 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:12.840 the opposition party. Right, who's it's a girl? Right? Matchada? Okay, 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.720 so she claimed she won. The current guy who's been 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.160 there for a minute, was like, nah, I mean no. 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.000 They announced that he was the winner, and I think 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:23.520 it was a seventy thirty. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.360 No, so he like won like fifty two percent. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.440 Okay, So it was close. It was super close. So 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:29.440 it was super close. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:31.640 The opposition party claimed that they won. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.000 Se seventy third. Okay, so the opposition party claimed that. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.840 And at the moment, there is what it seems like 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.320 some sort of teetering revolution happening, at least if you 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:50.760 were to just like watch CNN. There's people in the 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.680 army officers who are taking off their uniforms to side 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.320 with the people. Can you give me in your opinion 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.280 the what's what's? I mean, sure, you know, like what 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:01.760 what's going on? Because you know, you're a lot more 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.160 educated on the situation than me. I feel like, I mean, 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.720 I'm gonna be honest, it's like a CIA back to coop. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.080 But hey, I mean, well, the United States has been 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.480 trying to create a pretext for like installing like a 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.240 favorable government in Venezuela for upwards of twenty years. 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.600 And why is that? Is? What does Venezuela have that 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.680 we want because it's always something we want there. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.320 Well, you know, Venezuela is a very resource rich country. 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.160 We have like the largest oil reserves. 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.880 In the world. Okay, so being oil yep. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.840 And then like back in like the early two thousands, 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.040 Chavez really pushed for a multipolar world, which would threaten 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.719 US dollar hegemony. So like what that means is it 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:43.760 would create different economic Instead of having one economy, the 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:49.080 US economy, controlling the global economy, it would be multiple different. 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.960 Right, because typically the US dollar is the standard, right. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.000 The dollar is the standard, right, we trade oil well 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.360 until recently, right, you know, and now with the emergence 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.520 of bricks and all these other things. So what happened 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:08.720 when when Chavas is pushing for the multipolarity, you know, 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.160 it threatened it made a lot of like people in 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.640 the US a little uneasy. And then he also refused 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:18.360 to privatize like all the oil companies and stuff and 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.920 open them up for neoliberal policy. So it's like he 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:26.080 wouldn't allow US corporations to come in and basically rape 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:30.000 a very resource country, a resource rich country of because 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:30.520 had he. 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.400 Made him privatized, then we already know what would have happened. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:34.920 I mean it would have been exactly what we did 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.959 in Guatemala, like with United Fruit or any any place 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.160 at the United States. Is what we did in Iraq 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.559 with the Green Zone. You know, like we go in, 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:50.920 we make the economy, we like remove what like we install, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.120 Like we go in, we put all these like harsh 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.640 austerity measures in place, which means like it's basically like 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.920 US corporations can come in unchecked, unfettered capitalism just boom 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.720 boom boom, hot money just coming and coming in and 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.360 it's good for a while, right, So like when when 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.320 these policies are first implemented, you do see like an 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.240 uptick and everybody's quality of life, but it's short lived 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:16.320 because eventually it's just. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.800 It's like it's almost never worked out when they've done that, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.839 it never happened. Don't think it's worked out one time. 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.439 It works out for us, right, for the US or 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.640 the US, but for the people of those countries, it 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:27.719 never works out. Right. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.840 And so what the opposition party was in this election, 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.120 you know, they're heavily backed by the US State Department. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:37.520 They were funded like a couple of years ago, the 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.520 US seized a bunch of like money that was saved 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.080 in foreign accounts that belonged to like Venezuela and the 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.400 Venezuelan people, and they gave it to Guido and then 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:51.800 that money like has funded his party. So you know, 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.440 there's a lot of it's it's really complicated because you know, 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.640 on the one hand, like the United States is clearly 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:02.000 meddling and deliberately like destabilizing a country through like a 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.400 harsh sanctions regime and like all all sorts of crazy shit. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.320 But on the other hand, people in Venezuela are fucking suffering. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.600 Yeah, because I mean you were telling me once those 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:14.560 sanctions hit Venezuela, like ninety nine percent of the economy 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.320 disappeared or like the GOP, the GDP just GDP. 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.600 Yeah, it's like it went we like the Venezuelan like 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.520 economy dropped by ninety nine percent, which is crazy. So 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.760 like even if Maludo is corrupt, so let's say he 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.120 is corrupt, Like I'm okay, fuck it, Like I don't 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:33.000 believe any politician is not corrupt. So Maludo's corrupt, You're 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.160 still stealing from one percent of the former like you 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.720 know what I mean, Like the impact of the sanctions 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:43.520 is going to be much much stronger than the impact 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:44.480 of like somebody. 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.320 Yeah, I mean the US is like tooled to say 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.600 fuck you to a government, is to sanction the fuck 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.760 out of them, which essentially starves the country, starves the people. 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.400 Yeah, And I think people here sanctions they don't understand 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.680 how fucking real that is. Like one hundred thousand people 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.760 have died in Venezuela based on the sanctions alone. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.079 That shit's crazy. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.080 Over a million in Iraq. That should's crazy, you know, 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.480 And like the thing that's crazy is like we don't 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.199 understand how severe it is. Right, Like, when when you 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.559 impose a sanctions program on a country, you block them 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:14.600 from the global economy. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.520 Right, So if if. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.679 This country wants any goods that they can't produce themselves, 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.480 they have to find a country that's willing to sidestep 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.280 the US block of that. Right, So you have to 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.160 go to places like China, Russia or wherever. Right, And 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.320 oftentimes that comes at a huge price. So you've got 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.800 to go get medicine that you can't produce in the country. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.520 You have to with Venezuela, you have to go sell 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.800 your oil, right, you're selling it for pennies on the 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.480 dollar of what it would be worth in the traditional 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:48.200 global economy because you're going outside because of this sanctions program. 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.559 So it fund like it really cripples like what you're 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:52.679 able to do economically. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:57.120 So what do you like do you think that because 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.760 it seems like a lot of it feels like the 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.120 whole the kind of when I go when I go 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.360 on Twitter or I go on Instagram, it feels like 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.640 there's kind of like a split, like certain people or 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.720 with the current guy who feel because they feel like 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.480 this is an obvious coup trying to overthrow this guy 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.640 because he won't, you know, play nice with the US. 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.280 Then the other side thinks that, well, this girl did 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.160 win and this guy's corrupt, and you know right. 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:26.160 So, Venezuela has one of the most transparent voting systems 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.600 in the world. Right, they take a biometrics before you vote, 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.840 they take an ID photo, you go and you vote 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.680 in like in a little electronic machine where the votes 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:37.840 aretalitied electronically, and then you get a paper print out 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.680 and you put that print out in a ballot box 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.240 and then they make sure that the ballot boxes match 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.320 the electronic tally. And then they're also over a thought 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:51.680 for this election specifically, there were over one thousand independent viewers, 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.000 I guess, like election viewers to make sure that the 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:55.560 process was fair. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.720 And just sounds like we should adopt that. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.200 It's very even the Carter Foundation, like before or the 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.560 Carter Foundation was funded by the US State Department, when 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.280 it was just like Jimmy Carter's like yeah, like Little 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.000 Love Child was au it said that Venezuela had one 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:11.120 of the most like transparent election policies in the world, 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:12.840 and this was like in the eighties and it's been 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:18.600 that way since, you know, so the opposition has since 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.080 before the election, they said they would reject the results 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.480 as outright fraud, so even before the day of the voting, 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.480 and then they have suggested that they won seventy percent 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.120 of the vote. But they're still waiting now for the 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:36.760 paper ballot, like people are waiting I guess for like the. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.640 Proof they're going to try to kill that dude, huh, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.160 yeah for sure, Yeah. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.560 Yeah, I mean, I you know, I don't know about 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.000 Maduro as like a person, and you know, obviously the 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:45.440 people in. 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.160 Yeah like that you're defending him as a dude. But 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.080 it's like it feels like that this is going to 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:51.200 end up with him getting killed. 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.360 Yeah, and I think you know, like in the beginning, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.720 I think in the beginning of like Chavez's presidency, like 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.760 a lot of good things did happen at first, right, 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.720 the US intervention with Bush two, Right, so like you know, 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.600 like you saw infant mortality rates go down, literacy rates 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.760 went up, people that were living in like the little 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:14.240 bodyos were given like these communes that were like everything 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.840 was like more socialized. You know, they were starting like 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.240 they were splitting doing profit shares of like factories and stuff, 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.720 and you know, these things drastically improve quality of life 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.000 for a lot of people. And then the first sanctions 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.520 hit with Bush two, so that kind of crippled it. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.600 So it's easy to blame socialism, but really. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.600 Well, yeah, the sanctions are our tool of making you 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.280 sells your oil exactly. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.280 And you know there are people that are on record 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.440 like James like what's it Bolton, Elliott Abrams, like these 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.200 are people that work in you on a US policy level, 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.280 that are just fucking evil human beings, right, And it's 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.440 like they're on record, like talking to the Wall Street 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.240 Journal New York Times, like we're going to make their 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.240 economy screen, you know. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.200 Like who gets affected by that? The people? Yeah, and 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.560 then you can point and say, oh, look it's socialism 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.560 is badly doesn't work. But it's like dude, if they 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.320 were doing fine, but yeah, that's it's ray. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.719 And the thing that like the thing about Latin America 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.520 is like when Venezuela started, like with these socialist policies, 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:12.959 what happened? 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.000 It spread? 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.359 You know, you had all these other countries in Latin 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.600 America that wanted to reject us imperialism. You had Eva 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.960 Morales right from Bolivia, like an indigenous president right also 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.560 overthrown by the CIA and coup. You know, you had 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.000 people like like that, Like this whole pink tide started 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.080 to sweep across Latin America and like people were like 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:33.880 you know what now, like you're not going to come in, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.119 You're not going to install like a dictator. That's you 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:38.399 know what I'm saying, Like you're not going to do 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.320 what you did to fucking Chile here. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.600 You know, So do you what do you think about 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.959 what is going on in El Salvador? That president I 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:51.119 just watched an interview with him. He's kind of took 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.720 he's got the gold. Well, he's taken the fucking cron 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.840 I think it's this. No, it's it is definitively the lowest. 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.800 It's the safest country in the Western Hemisphere. Yeah, I 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.280 haven't been paying attention. Yeah, and it was it's more Dan, 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.640 it was more dangerous than Haiti prior to him being 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.959 the president. But this fool's like, but what did he do? 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:13.120 Like every single person that's in MS thirteen or eighteenth 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.480 Street is in prison. Oh shit, I mean, if you 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.480 have a fucking my boy shots a thousand words. There's 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:21.800 a dope group called Third World Records here and they're both 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:23.159 outside of doing and they're breaking it down to me. 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.560 They're like, yo, like yo, Like I went out there 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.119 to visit my grandma. Yeah, just because I have tattoos. 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:31.960 They're like, you gotta cover your fucking arms up because 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.439 they're gonna they're gonna make you take your shit, and 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.720 like like, if you have MS thirteen inc. It's eighty 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.480 years in prison, get the fuck out of here. Yeah, 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.000 it's crazy. That's crazy. I don't know if that's like 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.240 a good thing. No, I don't know, but but he 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.280 was saying, he was like, yo, but all of my 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.520 family loves it now because they're like, Yo, before it 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.119 was like the whole country was ran by these gangs. Yeah, 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.520