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Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 3: Happy Thursday.

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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. Ryan Grimm

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Speaker 2: is in for Crystal Wall. It's great to see you, man.

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Speaker 4: And to make this show even more amazing, what we

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Speaker 4: decided to do is stack a live audience that's Tripe supporters.

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Speaker 5: We're going to all show long. It's gonna be amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be incredible.

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Speaker 2: Ryan is referenceding a CNN town hall last night of

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Speaker 2: which we have the best and the greatest moments from

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Speaker 2: all of that multiple different avenues that we're going to

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Speaker 3: So everybody, please don't worry. It's not just about Trump.

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Speaker 2: We have some of the more insane moments about Stopless Deal,

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Speaker 2: Egen Carroll and all of that. Then we're actually going

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Speaker 2: to talk about policy, but the debt ceiling, and we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about abortion. Then finally his answer on Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: before we do some segments about Title forty two, about

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Speaker 2: the ending today at the US Mexico border and the

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Speaker 2: then finally a little bit of updates on the Tucker

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Speaker 2: Carlson media empire, but also some Elon Musk invitations to

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Speaker 2: Don Lemon, I'm actually doing a monologue about mammograms. I

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Speaker 2: decided that since Crystal is gone, it's the Bro show,

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Speaker 2: you might as well do a monologue by a male.

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Speaker 3: About breast cancer.

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Speaker 2: Will be shocked by the way about some of things

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Speaker 2: that I've uncovered.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to doctor Vane Persod actually for flagging this

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Speaker 2: to me. Some of you will be very very interested

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Speaker 2: in this. It's a big story about big pharma and

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Speaker 2: all of that. And then I have Senator jd Vance

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Speaker 2: actually who's going to be joining us here in the studio.

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Speaker 3: I always do have the need to do this full disclosure.

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Speaker 2: Van's longtime personal friend that said he is joining the show.

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Speaker 2: We will be talking to him about the railway safety

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Speaker 2: Caucus who do not support that bill, and we'll get

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Speaker 3: But I always do feel the need to do the

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Speaker 3: disclosure Ryan, and that.

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Speaker 2: Actually gets us before we get to all of the

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Speaker 2: Trump insanity from last night over at CNN. I just

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Speaker 2: like Ryan Ken Klippstein who broke that incredible story, so

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Speaker 3: So once again, monthly, yearly.

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Speaker 4: Take a good look, take a good look at these bricks,

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Speaker 4: because yeah, this might be it for them.

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Speaker 3: That's right, you're not listen.

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Speaker 2: I love the bricks, actually crystal more than anybody loves

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Speaker 2: the bricks. But the bricks are gone. Most likely, we'll see,

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Speaker 2: to Trump. What do we have, Ryan A moment of

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Speaker 2: the clashes, the fact checking, to stop the steal.

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Speaker 2: So we decided to start and break it down by

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to change his mind no matter how

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Speaker 2: fact check him live And as you can see, not

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 6: I actually say we did far better in that election,

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Speaker 6: got the most that anybody's ever gotten as a president

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Speaker 6: see what happens. A lot of the people, a lot

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Speaker 2: That, by the way, just everyone knows. That was the

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Speaker 3: With the focus groups. Everybody was like, oh, he immediately listen.

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Speaker 2: They're the ones who asked him about stop the steel

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Speaker 2: programming mistake. That said, once again, if you do ask

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Speaker 2: He doesn't think he did anything wrong on January sixth

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't matter because to the audience, they were

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Speaker 2: And I actually thought Ryan that the stop the Steel

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Speaker 3: As we can see in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two, what is the very second question that is asked

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Speaker 2: We have some of that, let's listen.

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Speaker 1: My question to you is, will you pardon the January

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Speaker 4: So like, yeah, on the one hand, I understand the

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Speaker 4: about twenty twenty? Well, your first question was about twenty

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Speaker 5: That's true.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, However, on the other hand, the guy gives those answers,

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Speaker 5: To see that, Oh, I thought it was great. That's

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Speaker 4: He is the by far the front runner for the

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Speaker 4: He's not just celebrity apprentice guy at this point. He's

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Speaker 5: That is newsworthy.

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Speaker 2: But I think what it gets to is there is

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Speaker 2: Where I'm very happy to and we will be covering

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Speaker 2: it on our Monday show, Congratulations. The point is is

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Speaker 2: we can absolutely say that.

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Speaker 3: But he believes that the votes.

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Speaker 2: Were specifically rigged and changed in multiple different states, and

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Speaker 2: in court, you know, and guess what, as they brought

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Speaker 2: up last night, correctly they lost every single court case.

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Speaker 2: If you had such compelling evidence, then presumably one judge.

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Speaker 2: You can't even if a pro live people can get

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Speaker 3: Go, not one, not even a state guy to go

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Speaker 3: along with your nonsense. What does that tell you about you?

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Speaker 4: And this could be a good moment to do something

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Speaker 4: for the YouTube censors here.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll say it's Lindsay Graham.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Lindsay Graham made the point that this was not stolen

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Speaker 4: the night of January sixth or early January seventh.

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Speaker 5: Go watch his speech. It was incredible. He's saying.

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Speaker 4: What Sager is saying is like, you guys say ten

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Speaker 4: You guys say that sixty thousand like Mexicans voted in Arizona,

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Speaker 4: Show me four. You said one hundred thousand people in

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Speaker 5: This is it.

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Speaker 2: This is Trump. He's not going to change. He will

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Speaker 2: Okay, crowd was eating it up there, Ryan crowd was

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Speaker 2: the moderator, Caitline Collins at CNN, calling her quote a

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Speaker 2: nasty person.

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Speaker 3: And again the crowd is eating this up. Take a listen.

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Speaker 7: That's the question that investigators have, I think, is why

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Speaker 7: you held onto those documents when you knew the federal

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Speaker 7: government was seeking them and then it'd given you a

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Speaker 7: subpoena to return.

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Speaker 5: Are you ready?

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Speaker 6: Can I talk?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: What's the answer?

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Speaker 5: Can you mind?

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Speaker 7: I would like for you dance the Bookay, it's very simple,

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Speaker 7: That's why I asked it.

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Speaker 6: It's very simple that you're a nasty person.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you you're a nasty person.

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Speaker 3: Okay. And again, crowd they can cheer. I mean, this is.

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Speaker 2: Also where you know it kind of get to your point, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: which no offense, but there's a lot of pearl clutching

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Speaker 2: going on where people are like, I can't believe the crowd.

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Speaker 3: Which here I'm like, here's what you got. People need

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Speaker 3: to understand. They hate you.

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Speaker 2: They hate you so much, they hate you so much.

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Speaker 2: The reason that they vote for this this.

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Speaker 3: Like vulgar weird?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 2: You know, famous billionaire from New York is because of.

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Speaker 3: Moments like that, and they will never understand it.

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Speaker 2: I think you were intellectually capable of that, and that's

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Speaker 2: why watching that I couldn't help but almost just because.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, like that right there.

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Speaker 2: That is why since what seventy something million people voted

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Speaker 2: for him in twenty two, they can never get enough

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Speaker 2: of Trump via the media because the only person less

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Speaker 2: popular than him is them.

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Speaker 5: But also we say Trump can't change. But that was

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Speaker 5: woke Trump. No, I didn't. Oh he said a nasty person,

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Speaker 5: not nasty, right, Hillary Clinton was nasty? It was Hillary Clinton, Hillary. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: he's going that's good. He's like, this is not a

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Speaker 5: gendered insult that I am leveling here. I like that.

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Speaker 3: I like so well. I want him to start. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he got to.

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Speaker 2: We need to stop him from saying things like the

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Speaker 2: dumbest man on TELEIGENI say, the dumbest person on television.

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Speaker 3: Nasty person, not a nasty woman. But yeah, that's Trump.

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Speaker 5: Trump. Trump is Trump.

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Speaker 2: And that's just really my maybe because I covered him

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Speaker 2: for so long, you know, it was in in all

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Speaker 2: this literally watched this play out on a day to day,

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Speaker 2: but not a single thing that happened last night surprised

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Speaker 2: me or shocked me at all. It just seemed like

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Speaker 2: right back, return to where things are. Lots of media,

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Speaker 2: like I said, Pearl clutching around this. But I think

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Speaker 2: that the fundamental question for everybody to ask, for everyone

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Speaker 2: who is involved and finds this repugnant.

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Speaker 3: Is how do we get here?

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Speaker 2: How do we get to a point where people are

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Speaker 2: laughing at the Egen Carroll thing? How do you get

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Speaker 2: to a point where people are cheering whenever you call

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Speaker 2: a nasty person. I remember some of the biggest cheers

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Speaker 2: that he used to get is at his rallies is

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Speaker 2: when he would look at the back.

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Speaker 3: You'd be like, you see those red lights and they're

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Speaker 3: turning away then not showing the crowd. He's like, there's

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Speaker 3: fake news CNN is the crowd would go wild.

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Speaker 2: If you've ever been to a Trump rally and you've

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Speaker 2: seen the press, you know, at the barricade in the back,

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Speaker 2: and they became I mean, by the way, they love

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Speaker 2: this too. Just so everybody knows, Jim Acosta would be there,

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Speaker 2: he'd be like, look at the way that these people

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Speaker 2: are trying. It's a bi directional thing. The crowd loves

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Speaker 2: hating you and he loves me hated by the crowd.

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Speaker 3: It helps him sell books.

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Speaker 2: So don't act also like there's not a lot going

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Speaker 2: on here but self perpetuating cancer.

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Speaker 5: I was, I was at the dawn of this.

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Speaker 4: Were you at Sarah Palin's speech? It was electric in

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Speaker 4: a kind of terrifying way. Yeah, this way because McCain

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Speaker 4: gets his acceptance speech, it's like a normal political speech.

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Speaker 5: You know, the rest of the Republicans.

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Speaker 4: Throughout that convintry first, normal stuff. When Sarah Palin hit

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Speaker 4: that stage and she started coming out, I forget what

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Speaker 4: she called us. It wasn't fake news, it was something else.

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Speaker 5: But like you're talking about, she called out the whole whole.

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Speaker 4: Press area and you could feel the energy of that

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Speaker 4: room turned toward the press.

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Speaker 5: Remember, like, whoa this is?

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Speaker 4: This is something else, this is a different thing, Like

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Speaker 4: these people hate me.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: There's another good clip if anybody wants to go watch

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Speaker 2: it of Newt Gingrich going after the media in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 2: similar time period. So if it's twenty twelve in the primary,

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Speaker 2: ging Rich, it's like the CNN actually town hall or

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Speaker 2: debate or something like that, and they opened it up

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Speaker 2: by asking him whether he wants to apologize to his

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Speaker 2: ex wife or something like that.

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Speaker 3: For anyway me doing scummy things, like very scummy.

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Speaker 2: I remember that, y yes, And he was like, well,

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Speaker 2: I think, how dare you?

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Speaker 3: And the biggest threat to this country is.

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Speaker 5: And the crowd on their feet went wild.

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Speaker 2: And gang Rich actually popped in the polls after that.

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Speaker 2: That was one of the biggest precursors to what would

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Speaker 2: eventually happen in the twenty fifteen primary. So all of

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Speaker 2: the all of the breadcrumbs were there. The Sarah Palin

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Speaker 2: hockey mom speech, if you remember that, it's like, what's

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Speaker 2: the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?

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Speaker 2: Lipstick in the crowd is like absolutely losing it. Gingrich, Well,

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Speaker 2: that's how we got of negativity. Yes, that's a good

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Speaker 2: that's a good you know, people should go read about

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Speaker 2: that too.

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Speaker 3: That's that's some good stuff.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 2: Part three here, So we have alluded to this media figures.

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Speaker 2: Democratic politicians, some of them named Alexandro Casio Cortez losing

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Speaker 2: their minds at this CNN Trump Paul not for any

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Speaker 2: of substantive reason, because to them, platforming it was anti

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Speaker 2: democratic and uh, the anti democracy of all of this

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Speaker 2: was just so irresponsible. AOC appeared on MSNBC as if

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Speaker 2: they love democracy so much to denounce the CNN town hall.

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Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.

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Speaker 8: I know you said earlier that you will not comment

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Speaker 8: on the platforming of such atrocious disinformation, but I would.

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Speaker 8: I think it was a profoundly irresponsible decision.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that it would.

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Speaker 8: I would be doing my job if I did not

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Speaker 8: say that. And what we saw tonight was a series

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Speaker 8: of extremely irresponsible decisions that put a sexual abuse victim

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Speaker 8: at risk, that put that person at risk in front

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Speaker 8: of a national audience. And I could not have disagreed

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Speaker 8: with it more. It was shameful.

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Speaker 3: It was shameful.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Well, she's referencing she was on the Stephanie Rules Show,

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Speaker 2: and actually Stephanie Ruld opened it be like, we will

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Speaker 2: not be discussing or talking about this at all, really,

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Speaker 2: because you're in the news business. Why not if you

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Speaker 2: think it was shameful air the clip, Eric Forever, that's

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Speaker 2: what we just did. You make up your mind, You

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Speaker 2: make up your mind. Why don't we have enough trust

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Speaker 2: in people that if Trump says that Venezuelan Chinese dominions

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Speaker 2: stole the election.

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Speaker 3: They go, yeah, you know, I don't think. I don't

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Speaker 3: think that that happened.

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Speaker 2: And then come voting time, whenever he gets a bunch

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Speaker 2: of Republicans who endorse that on the ballot, they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I really hate Joe Biden. And even though

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Speaker 2: I live in Arizona and I hate the Democrats, I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to vote for one.

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Speaker 3: Anyway. Democracy works. It works, you let people make up

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Speaker 3: their own mind.

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Speaker 4: I think, right, I think have more faith in the

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Speaker 4: American public that Democrats I think ought to have been

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Speaker 4: saying thank you for this.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you're right. The smart ones we're saying that.

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Speaker 4: Actually right, because it did a couple of things. One,

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Speaker 4: it continued to scare away a bunch of independence and

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Speaker 4: kind of democratic leaners.

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Speaker 5: The ones who may come out may not come out.

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Speaker 4: That didn't play well at all to them. I don't

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Speaker 4: think we'll find out. But secondly, Trump thinks it played great,

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Speaker 4: and Trump's base thinks that played so they're.

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Speaker 5: Going to lean in.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna be like, oh, we needed to make fun

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Speaker 4: of EG and Carroll Moore. We make that a regular

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Speaker 4: part of my stump speech. I need to continue talking

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Speaker 4: about pardoning the January sixth rioders, I need to continue

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Speaker 4: questioning the election results because that all worked for me,

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Speaker 4: not realizing that yes it worked to fire up your base, excellent,

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Speaker 4: but it's only going to bury you further. And so

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Speaker 4: have faith that if Trump lets his freak flag fly,

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Speaker 4: that enough of the American publics and be like, you

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Speaker 4: know what, we don't I'm not sure we want the

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Speaker 4: sleepy Joe guy, but this is if this is the choice,

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Speaker 4: we're going with sleepy Joe.

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Speaker 2: Which is literally what happened in the twenty twenty two election.

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Speaker 2: Actually thought Biden had the best response. You know what

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Speaker 2: he tweeted. It's simple, folks, do you want four more

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Speaker 2: years of that? If you don't pitch into our campaign? Perfect,

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Speaker 2: perfect response instead of oh democracy, democracy is being destroyed.

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Speaker 2: One Rick Wilson, who you will remember from the Grifting

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Speaker 2: Lincoln Project, has taken a break from the grift off

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Speaker 2: of their Democratic boomer donors and has instead decided to

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Speaker 2: come on the air and just on Twitter and denounce

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Speaker 2: with almost tears in his eyes about what happened.

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Speaker 3: Here's what we had to say.

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Speaker 9: We're in a break now from the presidential town hall

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Speaker 9: with CNN, Caitlin Collins and whatever the fuck they thought

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Speaker 9: they were going to get out of this, they instead

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Speaker 9: have set a match to democracy once again. You are

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Speaker 9: letting an insane person stand there and make people giggle

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Speaker 9: and laugh, and he jokes about rape. You make people

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Speaker 9: giggle and laugh when he jokes about abortion, when he

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00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 9: calls an African American police officer a thug. This insanity

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Speaker 9: should be pulled off the fucking air.

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Speaker 5: Chris licked.

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Speaker 9: You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Speaker 2: He should be ashamed of yourself. Morning Joe was on

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Speaker 2: This Morning Ryan. Here's what jo Scarborough has to say.

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Speaker 2: CNN's town hall was disgraceful on every level. The most

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Speaker 2: shocking part was seeing the audience lapping it up. What

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Speaker 2: I saw last night was as chilling as anything that

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Speaker 2: I've seen on TV since January sixth. So if seeing

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Speaker 2: Republicans love Trump is as triggering as jan six then

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Speaker 2: you're in for it, my man.

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Speaker 5: Our politics are actually disgusting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, welcome to America and shameful.

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Speaker 5: And so what is the other option? Yeah, exactly like

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Speaker 5: we can't make it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you and I can try as much as we

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Speaker 4: can to make a better policies or should we.

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Speaker 2: Have the power to do so, because no one person

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Speaker 2: or two people or whatever ever have the power.

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Speaker 5: Right. It's weird because what do they think their role

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Speaker 5: is like?

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Speaker 4: If you don't use the word platform, if you don't

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Speaker 4: platform the Republican basically nominee for president, he's still on

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Speaker 4: the ballot exactly, So what are you accomplishing exactly? If

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Speaker 4: you think that people can't handle his views. What if

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Speaker 4: then they get a distorted idea about what he believes

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Speaker 4: and they think that he's actually moved on for act

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Speaker 4: and he's not going to pardon the January sixth riders,

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Speaker 4: then they vote for him. He gets in and does

666
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Speaker 4: all the things that you were keeping him from sharing

667
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Speaker 4: with the public that he was going to do.

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Speaker 5: How does that serve democracy?

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Speaker 2: So tell me about this. There was a huge debate.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this on there on the screen. Though, by

671
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Speaker 2: the way, the CNN actually cut their town hall short.

672
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Speaker 2: It was scheduled for ninety minutes. The actual event was

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Speaker 2: to go as long as seventy five. They stopped less

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Speaker 2: than seventy minutes in. They could have gone longer if

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Speaker 2: they wanted, which is usually what executives do with big

676
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Speaker 2: rating straw. I think they personally thought it was a disaster. So,

677
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Speaker 2: according to the commentariat online, the biggest mistake that Caitline

678
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Speaker 2: Collins made is she didn't fact fact check him enough. Now,

679
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Speaker 2: I want to know what you think about this. I've

680
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Speaker 2: interviewed Trump four times. Guess what, every time you fact

681
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: check him off derails the conversation. You don't get it.

682
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Speaker 2: If you keep doing it longer, he'll just cut it off,

683
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Speaker 2: so you're not going to get information. But in general,

684
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Speaker 2: when I interview politicians, I let him talk and if

685
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Speaker 2: they say a lie, we can talk about it afterwards.

686
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Speaker 2: Maybe we can gently be like, hey, you know, this

687
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Speaker 2: isn't another opposing view. What utility is there to the

688
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Speaker 2: constant fact checking to somebody's face? And just so people know,

689
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Speaker 2: I do this with Democrats and Republicans I've interviewed, doesn't

690
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Speaker 2: Primelajaia Paul.

691
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Speaker 3: I've interviewed all.

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Speaker 2: These Democrats who I don't agree with it all, who

693
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Speaker 2: in many cases I find like repugnant at least on

694
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Speaker 2: a policy level. But I'm not going to sit there

695
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Speaker 2: and like show my disdain to their face. I'm just

696
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Speaker 2: gonna ask them a good faith question. I'll do the

697
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Speaker 2: same thing with Republicans when anybody really is because I

698
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Speaker 2: enjoy letting people talk and I believe in letting people

699
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Speaker 2: judge for themselves. You know, I can try and add

700
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Speaker 2: some context whatever, and I don't think I'm going to

701
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Speaker 2: change anybody's mind.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about the whole fact checking cons.

703
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Speaker 4: I'm kind of with you on that because to me,

704
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Speaker 4: it goes to what is the role of media? And

705
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Speaker 4: we are interlocutors here, right if we have strong opinions

706
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Speaker 4: about it's something that somebody's saying, and how the country

707
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: we can run for office, right, Like, that's good, That's

708
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Speaker 4: a path that is open to us. And so if

709
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Speaker 4: a person is running for office, I think it's our

710
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Speaker 4: job to question.

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Speaker 5: Them, probe at their views.

712
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Speaker 4: But setting yourself up like you're in a debate with

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Speaker 4: them on a debate stage like one on one, you're

714
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Speaker 4: in different roles, so that doesn't quite make sense you

715
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Speaker 4: And then to your point, pragmatically and tactically, it just

716
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Speaker 4: doesn't work. Like the whole fifty two mile thing was

717
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Speaker 4: just so exhausting.

718
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Speaker 3: Said this last night.

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Speaker 2: She goes, we can't let you say that, and I said, really,

720
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Speaker 2: did somebody elect CNN, Like, who what CNN's air is

721
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Speaker 2: more powerful than the president's YouTube or something?

722
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly what do you want on YouTube?

723
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Speaker 2: Because we actually can't literally, Yeah, But the point is

724
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Speaker 2: is like, you know who elected you?

725
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Speaker 3: Nobody?

726
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: Like your job is to get info from Trump? And

727
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: you know another thing I'm gonna know because we're going

728
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: to spend the rest of our show on policy on Ukraine.

729
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Speaker 2: The audience members asked the best damn questions the entire night.

730
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Speaker 2: The best questions that came from Trump were about January sixth,

731
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: like you said, they were also about the stolen election.

732
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Speaker 2: They it sounded like those people didn't want to ask questions.

733
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Speaker 2: What else did they ask about? Ryan Dead, ceiling, Ukraine abortion?

734
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Speaker 2: Every single one of their questions was fantastic because the

735
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Speaker 2: audience members want to get to what's really going on here.

736
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Speaker 2: They're asking about, Hey, I'm having trouble.

737
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Speaker 5: Paying my bills. And these are Republicans just so everyone knows.

738
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Speaker 2: But even normal Republicans like they don't want to sit

739
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Speaker 2: admire in this twenty twenty like election stuff.

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Speaker 3: They want to be like, what are you going to

741
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Speaker 3: do for me? What's going to even happen?

742
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Speaker 4: Even they're like backward looking. January sixth, question was forward

743
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Speaker 4: exactly are you going to party?

744
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Speaker 5: Are you gonna party?

745
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: Rather than what did you think of like the way

746
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Speaker 4: that they ransacked the capitol or can you know, would

747
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Speaker 4: you like to apologize to Mike Pence?

748
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Speaker 5: It's like what forward about?

749
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because these people, you know, who are the people

750
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Speaker 2: in the audience, were smart. They're smarter than us because

751
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: we're probably still two in it right.

752
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: We live in breed Polk. They are living their lives.

753
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Speaker 2: They're the ones who actually vote at the end of

754
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Speaker 2: the day, and they're the ones who picked their own

755
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: president and their nominee, and they had better questions that

756
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: served all of us. So we will be spending the

757
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Speaker 2: bulk and the majority of the rest of the time

758
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Speaker 2: actually talking about that. But we could not let this

759
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Speaker 2: final thing go, which is as everybody at breaking points now.

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Speaker 3: Chrystal and I we love a good focus.

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Speaker 2: Group, especially with the focus group basically just slaps the

762
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Speaker 2: media in the face. Here we had CNN, a bunch

763
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Speaker 2: of Republican voters who were with the CNN with CNN

764
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Speaker 2: after the town hall in which they stunned the actual

765
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Speaker 2: interviewees because they didn't give them the answers they expected.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: Is it bother you that it keeps talking about twenty

768
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Speaker 10: twenty and not twenty twenty four? I'll ask you for first.

769
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Speaker 10: This is Jonathan Leslie's forty Republican voter for Trump twice?

770
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Speaker 10: How do you feel about those lines?

771
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Speaker 5: So I feel like part of it's also a media narrative,

772
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Speaker 5: as you guys.

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Speaker 6: Asking the first question at the time all about the

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty election rather than turns up.

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Speaker 10: So you may think it say it's time for me

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Speaker 10: to start talking about twenty twenty four, and that lies there.

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Speaker 11: I'm true.

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Speaker 5: Couldn't the media ask him a question about twenty nine four?

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Speaker 10: Well there were questions, but you're right that was the

780
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Speaker 10: first thing that that's something that was on oline and

781
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Speaker 10: that's why I was asked first. What I want to

782
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Speaker 10: ask you first of all is do you think show

783
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Speaker 10: of hands? Anybody think Donald Trump looks better after this

784
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 10: town hall? And if you think it looks works and

785
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Speaker 10: if you think the same thing about him as you

786
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Speaker 10: did when you walked in, so all, do you feel

787
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Speaker 10: that way?

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Speaker 2: There you go, They're like, they're like, why was you

789
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: kept saying all this tiff about twenty twenty. It's like, well,

790
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Speaker 2: you asked them about twenty twenty and they're like if

791
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Speaker 2: they're like, shouldn't you talk about twenty twenty four?

792
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: They're like, but why don't you ask you? That's a

793
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: great question. That's a great question. As usual they are

794
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 3: they know so much better than we do.

795
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Speaker 2: And that my personal favorite at the end there like

796
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Speaker 2: raise your hand if you feel better about him, raise

797
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: your hand to feel for real worse about him, raise

798
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: your hand if you feel the same.

799
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Speaker 3: I've talked about it here before. Debates and these types

800
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Speaker 3: of things.

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Speaker 2: Statistically, political science data we have like sixty years to

802
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Speaker 2: tell us us have a zero impact on the election.

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Speaker 5: Zero.

804
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: It's almost always about more structural factors, personal stuff. It

805
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: can matter, it can it's difficult to predict. But this

806
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: also gets to my whole thing around the fact checking.

807
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: What is the point of constantly being like, no, actually, sir,

808
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: this is you know, fifty two miles of wall, not.

809
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Speaker 3: Four hundred five.

810
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: And guess what, the people who believe that Trump built

811
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: the wall are never going to change their minds even

812
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Speaker 2: if he didn't build a scrap a wall. And then

813
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Speaker 2: also people who believe that there was not a single

814
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Speaker 2: mile of wall built. We are not going to change

815
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Speaker 2: their minds after you were like, well, actually there were

816
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Speaker 2: fifty two.

817
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: What you feel about Trump is baked in.

818
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Speaker 2: He's been on the national stage now since twenty fifteen,

819
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: almost ten years. We were coming up on a decade

820
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Speaker 2: of the Trump era in American politics.

821
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Speaker 3: It's all here at this point.

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Speaker 4: And the limits of fact checking were so exposed by

823
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Speaker 4: that exchange too, because they were so obviously talking past.

824
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Speaker 5: Exactly thank you what he was saying.

825
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 4: He's like, look, I rehabbed a bunch of like rusty,

826
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Speaker 4: old crappy fence, right, And they wouldn't count that in

827
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Speaker 4: my fifty two miles, And she would say, well you

828
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Speaker 4: did fifty two miles.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

830
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Speaker 4: Secondly, it's like they're both right, Actually they are both right.

831
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Speaker 4: But then secondly it's like, well, you guys don't want

832
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 4: that wall anyway, So why are you kind of criticizing

833
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Speaker 4: him for not building enough of the thing that you

834
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Speaker 4: don't want him to build any of? Yes, So the

835
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Speaker 4: whole thing, because when you get into fact checking, it

836
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 4: takes the kind of ideology and ideas out of it.

837
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Speaker 3: I don't believe in vindral fact checks.

838
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Speaker 2: I actually think that outside of like literal math like

839
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: two plus two or whatever physics, I don't think that

840
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: there is such thing as a fact check. Everything is relative,

841
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: Everything is basically up for debate. Everything is like everything

842
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: is at the level of argumentation, you know, even you know, whenever,

843
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: like we were talking about the stolen election, it's like, yeah, well,

844
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: if you just put it that way, then you know,

845
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: somebody can say about this, you know, if you put

846
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: it the way Trump doesn't, Okay, like you can get

847
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: in that. But even then, it's like, the point is

848
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: is that about changing people's minds? And I think that

849
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: the news at best what I like to do when

850
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: we meet people out in the wild, like what's the

851
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 2: most edifying thing they say, say, make me answer sense

852
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: of the world. Hate help help my relationship with my parents,

853
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: because I felt like we were talking past each other,

854
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: and instead we watch your show together and we come

855
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: away with different takeaways, and we sit down and we're like, well,

856
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: here's what I agree with Sager said or Chrystal said it,

857
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: Ryan said, or Emily said it. But I realized that

858
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: because they could talk together afterwards, that you and I

859
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 2: can talk now as well. I mean that the point

860
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 2: is is that you can even start from the same

861
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Speaker 2: show and come away with two completely different opinions.

862
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Speaker 3: That's humanity.

863
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 5: And I think you worry about getting too rigid.

864
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Speaker 4: When Trump said, well, why did I make that call

865
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Speaker 4: to Georgia, Yeah, because I was questioning the results of

866
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Speaker 4: the election, He's just says it out right, yeah, And

867
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Speaker 4: Democrats are going to be like, well, that's insane.

868
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Speaker 5: You should go to prison for that.

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Speaker 4: But I also think Democrats are going to regret in

870
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Speaker 4: the future setting a standard by which it is wrong

871
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Speaker 4: to question the results of elections. What if Republicans in

872
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Speaker 4: Arizona or Wisconsin, Alabama democrats. Democrats are kind of in

873
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: conflict here because on the one hand, they're always accusing

874
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Speaker 4: Republicans of voter suppression and trying to steal elections, and

875
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Speaker 4: then at the same time.

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Speaker 5: Saying that you can never question the results of an election.

877
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Speaker 4: So I bet in our lifetimes we're going to have

878
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: a point where Republicans are going to straight up steal

879
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Speaker 4: some elections somewhere, and Democrats are then going to be

880
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: handcuffed a little bit in the way that they're able

881
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Speaker 4: to point to the ways.

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Speaker 3: Look at Stacey Abras.

883
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: Stacy Abrams was allowed to do it in twenty eighteen,

884
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 2: but then immediately after the Trump think they're like, hey, Stacy,

885
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: shut up. Yes, Stacy, if you want to be able

886
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: to continue selling books and you know, grifting off my

887
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: killing us with all these other people in the eighteen things,

888
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: you got to you gotta shut up. You got to

889
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: accept it and just kind of walk away after you

890
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: lost a couple more times. Anyway, I thought that these

891
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: are our big like personality I guess takeaways. We're going

892
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 2: to go ahead into the policy. Now, let's get to it.

893
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: This Ryan, in my estimation, was some of the best

894
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: that came out of this because Trump took a position

895
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: in the debt ceiling fight, which is going to have

896
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 2: massive ramifications in terms of how Republican voters and also

897
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: the actual Republican policy makers respond to everything that's going

898
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: on here right now. Let's look take a listen to

899
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: this question about how the Republican should handle the debt ceiling,

900
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: how Trump feels about the debt, and also about what

901
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: Republicans should do in said defaulse type scenario.

902
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

903
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 6: What do you think about the United States current debt

904
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 6: situation and how can we move forward. Such an important question.

905
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 6: So we're at thirty three trinllion dollars, a number that

906
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 6: nobody ever thought simile. When we had our economy rocking

907
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 6: and rolling just prior to COVID coming and like literally

908
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 6: we were making a fortune and oil We're going to

909
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 6: make so much money from, well, we're going to start

910
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 6: paying off debt. But then with COVID coming in, we

911
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 6: had to do other things. We had to keep this

912
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 6: country alive because it was so serious. But we have

913
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 6: to get the country back. We have to lower energy prices,

914
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 6: we have to lower interest rates. Interest rates are through

915
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 6: the roof. Energy has to come down. It all has

916
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 6: to come down, and we have to start paying off debt.

917
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 7: You once said that using the using the debt ceiling

918
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 7: as a negotiating wedge just could not happen. You You

919
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 7: said that when you were in the office, So why

920
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 7: is it different now that you're out.

921
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 5: Of office, now I'm not president.

922
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: They couldn't get enough, Brian, I loved it.

923
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 5: That's hilarious. I mean.

924
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: That is you know what this is again?

925
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: Why part of his appeal because he'll just when other

926
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: politicians are inconsistent, they're like, well, technically things were different.

927
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: He's like, no, I just not. He's like, I'm inconsistent,

928
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: and because I'm a ruthless politician, position has changed.

929
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Now cynically, what I thought is like coming

930
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: away from that exchange, was that Trump actually would appreciate

931
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: a default because it will hurt Biden, of course, and

932
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 4: hurt the economy and guarantee his election, right if he uh,

933
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 4: you know, if there's enough of a hit. So for Trump,

934
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 4: it's like he gets to talk tough and then all.

935
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 5: But he also wants the car crash in this game.

936
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: Of chicken, because if the car cars crash and you

937
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 4: get unemployment back up to six percent by November twenty

938
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: twenty four, Biden has a very difficult time getting reelected.

939
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, this is part of why this

940
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: entire conversation drives me nuts.

941
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: Trump.

942
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: Under Trump, the national debt increased by seven point eight

943
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: trillion from twenty He thought it was possible. He started,

944
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: He started the administration with twenty trillion dollars in debt

945
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: after the Obama years. That was in twenty seventeen. That

946
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: was after an increase from ten to twenty trillion. So

947
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 2: then it went from twenty to twenty eight trillion after

948
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: the end of the Trump presidency. Now, I guess, to

949
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: be fair to him, only five trillion of that was

950
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: pre COVID, so half of it was post COVID. I mean,

951
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: I mean, and listen, you're looking at two people who

952
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: don't have that a lot, who don't have that many

953
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: objections to deficit spending, or who probably have very very

954
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: different views on default and or on default and debt,

955
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: deaficit spending and debt, on national debt specifically, as in

956
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: it's not the same thing as a household balance sheet

957
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: because we're the world's superpower, so there's a little bit

958
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: of a difference. You know, We're not like Bosnia or

959
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: something like that. But if we were going to speak

960
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: the language of what he's talking about, we have to

961
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: get to national debt under control, you know all this

962
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: other stuff. Well then uh, you know, it's a little

963
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: hypocritical whenever you're going to sign one of the largest

964
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: corporate tax cuts.

965
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 3: And actually that's part of why as.

966
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: Much as I enjoyed the hit the moment where Caitlan

967
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: was said, you know, well, you said, as president, it's

968
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: actually better to hit them with the genuine policy hypocrisy

969
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: here to be like, listen, you literally signed the largest

970
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: corporate tax in hit cuts in history, which he talked about,

971
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 2: in which he talked and bragged about, and the case

972
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: that you made was going to boom the economy, and

973
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: I mean it kind of did. It also increases deficit,

974
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: so and that's fine in my opinion a lot of

975
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: people's opinion too, as the voters who are mostly were

976
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: okay with that. But you know, you can't then say

977
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: that we got to get our big or whatever out

978
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: of control. Actually, the most effective tactic that I've heard

979
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: yet is not objected to the spending overall. It's when

980
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: people said, you're spending money on X, Y and Z,

981
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: like spending money on an unpopular program like the I

982
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: R S for example. Right, That is actually a way

983
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 2: to get people to be like, yeah, hold on a second,

984
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 2: maybe we shouldn't spend so much money on the IRS.

985
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: And even that, you know, I think is up for debate. So, yeah,

986
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: what do you make about his answer there on the default?

987
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 11: Right?

988
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 4: I think you're right that the way you go after

989
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: him is to hit that wedge in between the kind

990
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: of Paul Ryan Republicans who wrote that tax cut and

991
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 4: Trump who kind of signed that tax cut right into law,

992
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 4: because how can you on the one hand, you know,

993
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 4: brag about this gigantic tax cut and then on the

994
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: other hand say, isn't it isn't it such a shame

995
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: that we now have thirty three trillion dollars.

996
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: It's a great clip actually of Trump back in the

997
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: day talking about real estate and he's like, I'm a

998
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: real estate guy.

999
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: I love debt, debt.

1000
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 5: You know, debt.

1001
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: But you know he's right, yeah, early on in his presidency,

1002
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: like the one the one thing that he really does

1003
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 4: understand his interest rates, because his whole real estate scheme

1004
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 4: was just skimming cash flow off off.

1005
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: Cash flow refinance, you know, refinance this property by this property,

1006
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: take this property, cash out, refinance on this madness. I

1007
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: don't really know how those people sleep at night, but

1008
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 2: just like from a stress level perspective, because that sounds

1009
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: insane to me, but I guess it worked out for him.

1010
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 2: The thing, though, is on the interest rates. It again,

1011
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: Trump has these savant moments where he understands consumer economics

1012
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: I think better than a lot of people who do

1013
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: this for a professional living. And in that answer, he

1014
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: specifically targeted interest rates, and while he was president. I

1015
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: don't know if a lot of people remember this, he

1016
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: would ruthlessly hammered Jerome Powell and the Frett Fedcher.

1017
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 3: It was like doing constantly on Twitter.

1018
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: He was like, he needs to bring down the rates.

1019
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: And that was when rates were like what like one point.

1020
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 5: Or something like that.

1021
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: He's like, bring him now more, make it zero, make

1022
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: it negative, make it hid exactly. Yeah, he had this

1023
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: again savant like not knowledge of the way that Americans

1024
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: interact with the economy, which at the end of the

1025
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: day is basically gas prices and ability to buy stuff,

1026
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: and not just that ability to buy stuff downstream from

1027
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: the ability of large corporations to also take out large

1028
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: amounts of debt for debt financing.

1029
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: Unfortunately in some cases stock buybacks.

1030
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: But you know, at least hopefully at least in some

1031
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 2: cases it trickles down and some way by letting people

1032
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: hire them and at least floating your payroll. That's what

1033
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: we see, right, And that again is where he displayed

1034
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: his ability to target in on what a lot of

1035
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: voters really care about whenever it comes to the economy.

1036
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: It reminds me of a very famous answer that Bill

1037
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: Clinton gave in nineteen ninety two in the presidential debate,

1038
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: a black woman asked him, well, how do you think

1039
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: about the national debt? Or something about the national debt?

1040
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: Clinton intuited. He's like, this answer is not about the debt.

1041
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: You're asking about the economy, and he goes, I know

1042
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: people have lost their jobs this administration. We've had twelve

1043
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: years of failed trickle down economics. It's a failed economic theory.

1044
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,240
Speaker 2: We're going to get people back to work again. Remember

1045
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: it's in my hand. Because one of the best political

1046
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: debate moments I think ever that's ever happened, because it's

1047
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 2: about taking what somebody is asking about and not answering

1048
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: it on the face and getting to the core of

1049
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: how the voter really thinks about it. In that, I

1050
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: actually thought he did a good job. But now in

1051
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: terms of the policy and what it means, here's what matters.

1052
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: Trump endorsement of the McCarthy position gives McCarthy tremendous more

1053
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: leverage within the Republican caucus because he can go and say,

1054
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 2: why are you going against Trump on this? Trump endorsed

1055
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: me last night. He strengthened his negotiating hand whenever it

1056
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: came to Biden because this is the leader of the

1057
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: Republican Party, the former president of the United States, the

1058
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: most popular Republican in the entire country. Here's what he

1059
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: thinks we need to do in this specific instance. So

1060
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: it could actually help him from getting people to walk away. Now,

1061
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: at the same time, some of the people who would

1062
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 2: walk away are coming from like Biden plus five plus

1063
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: ten districts, so it's not like they need to hold

1064
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: down the fort, you know, for the general election.

1065
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: But anytime you have Trump on on your side in

1066
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 3: a debate like this is.

1067
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 4: Going to be better than not whenever you're in an

1068
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 4: entry GOP file, which to me is more reason for

1069
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 4: Biden to just walk away from the whole thing and

1070
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 4: do the fourteenth Amendment and.

1071
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 5: Say, right, say forget this because point or meant the.

1072
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: Coin, do whatever, say we're not playing these games, and

1073
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 4: just just say look Trump, Trump called for a default.

1074
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: Trump wants you guys to default with me, and I'm

1075
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 4: not playing that game.

1076
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 5: I'm done, I'm moving on.

1077
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to the next part here.

1078
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 5: Abortion.

1079
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: This again was a very important moment during the town hall.

1080
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: The reason to me, Ryan before we even play the

1081
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: clip watch here how rambling, nonspecific, and how twisted and

1082
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: knots Trump is whenever it comes to the subject of abortion.

1083
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

1084
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 7: If you are reelected and you're back in the Oval

1085
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 7: office and you get legislation to your desk, would you

1086
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 7: sign a federal abortion band into law?

1087
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 6: What I'll do is negotiate so that people are happy.

1088
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 6: But the fact that we were able, I was able.

1089
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 6: I'm so proud of it to put three great justices

1090
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 6: on the Supreme Court. We have almost three hundred federal

1091
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 6: judges owners are tame for.

1092
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 7: So you exactly are just toy claims resident, you would

1093
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 7: sign a federal abortion ban.

1094
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 6: I said this.

1095
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: I said this.

1096
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 6: I want to do what's right, and we're looking and

1097
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 6: we want to do what's.

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Speaker 5: Right for everybody, what's right.

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Speaker 6: But now, for the first time, the people that are

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Speaker 6: pro life have negotiating capability because you didn't have it before.

1101
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 6: They could kill the baby in the ninth month or

1102
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 6: after the baby was born.

1103
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 5: Now they won't be able to.

1104
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Speaker 7: I think this is a really important question for you

1105
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 7: to answer because this is something every Republican, including those

1106
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 7: who are running against you for the nomination, are being

1107
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 7: asked about is would you sign a federal abortion ban

1108
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 7: into law?

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00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 6: And many of them are going to give you the

1110
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 6: same answers. I am, first of all, I am honored

1111
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 6: to have done what I did. And a lot of

1112
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 6: people said, they said in one hundred and fifty years,

1113
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 6: he's now the most consequential president because he saved so

1114
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 6: many lives, and I'm honored.

1115
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Speaker 3: To have got honored to have done it.

1116
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: Ryan, come into a Democratic ad near you.

1117
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 3: You will watch them.

1118
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: At over and over and over and over again. And

1119
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: that is exactly why he's in a real bind. Do

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Speaker 2: you appease the pro lifers who want more? Frankly, they

1121
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: want way more. They want the abortion ban, they want

1122
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: to go you know, six week and all these states

1123
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: and all that, which are not politically popular at all.

1124
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: And then he's he's not an idiot. And look, I

1125
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: don't I will never psy psychoanalyze anyone. I'm just gonna say, personally,

1126
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 2: I don't believe that Trump is actually pro life.

1127
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 3: Me personally, I don't think. I don't think that yet.

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00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: I don't think that he had some crazy change of

1129
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: heart in his sixties.

1130
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Speaker 5: I mean, I guess it's technically possible. Anyway.

1131
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: The point is that it is hard of hearts, at

1132
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: least the political one. He knows people hate this, which

1133
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: is why he's twisted himself like a pretzel, being like, well,

1134
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: I believe in the exceptions. And then the Democrats and

1135
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: the late term abortion and a mon or two have

1136
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: done Roe versus Wade.

1137
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: But now it's up to the States.

1138
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: It was two and a half minutes almost just I

1139
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: didn't settle on anything, and she was like, well, what

1140
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: are you gonna do? Like are you sure? Like what

1141
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: about the band? Would you sign a band? He's like, well,

1142
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: we'll see. Some people have good ideas. I haven't made

1143
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: up my mind yet.

1144
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

1145
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 5: You've had what?

1146
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 3: When did row happen?

1147
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 5: June?

1148
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: Right, it's been almost a year.

1149
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: It's been literally eleven months since this, uh maybe something

1150
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: like that, since this has all come down.

1151
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: How have you not made up your mind yet? You

1152
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: know why?

1153
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: Because he has made up his mind and he knows

1154
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: privately it's an electoral disaster anyway. So I saw that

1155
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: and I was like, man, Trump, he knows this is

1156
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: his kryptonite.

1157
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 4: And for twenty twenty four, and not even that privately

1158
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 4: he was fairly open you know, during this oh midterms,

1159
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 4: saying like, look, this is not going to be great

1160
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 4: for us, even though he plays such a significant role.

1161
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 3: And then he blamed abortion for the election.

1162
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 5: Blamed abortion, which he was right. Yeah, so that's why

1163
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 5: he has to he's trying. Susan B.

1164
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 4: Anthony came out recently saying that they would miss endorsed

1165
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 4: any candidate.

1166
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 3: You know, very powerful organs that wouldn't do you explain

1167
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 3: that to people?

1168
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 5: So, yeah, Susan B.

1169
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 4: Anthony maybe the most powerful kind of pro life group,

1170
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 4: the pro pro life group in the country, and they

1171
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 4: want a national abortion band. And they said after Trump

1172
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 4: refused to commit.

1173
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: To one like the Planned Parenthood pro lifers and.

1174
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 4: So, and they came out publicly and said, we will

1175
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 4: not work for, we will not endorse, We'll not support

1176
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: any candidate who refuses.

1177
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 5: To stop killing babies.

1178
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 4: And so that's who's in Trump's head when he's celebrating

1179
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 4: his overturning of Roe v.

1180
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 5: Wade.

1181
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 4: But then the polls are in his head when he's

1182
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 4: refusing to kind of commit to a national ban. Later

1183
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 4: in that clip, he says, you know, Lindsay Graham has

1184
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 4: a nice bill and Lindsay fifteen weeks or something, because

1185
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 4: that polls a little bit better, but it's still.

1186
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: Not fifteen weeks ironic.

1187
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: A Ryan was actually much more popular pre Row and

1188
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: now is less popular Row.

1189
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: Actually, well, it kind of gets to something.

1190
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 2: One of my core beliefs in politics is just don't

1191
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 2: take anything away from people. Like it was, you take

1192
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: some away, like it's not going to be good for you.

1193
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: I remember that, you know, like Obama. Obama was like, well,

1194
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 2: we're going to take away your healthcare, but everybody's gonna

1195
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: get better health care. I'm like, yeah, but you shouldn't

1196
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: screw with my healthcare man, because I hate it. And

1197
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: that was you know, he paid a huge electoral price

1198
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: for it, even though you know, by the numbers, technically

1199
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: more people got health care, but it was a mess

1200
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 2: even I you know how many Obamacare plans you saw.

1201
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: My current plan is like I have like a nineteen

1202
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: thousand dollars inductor or something. I'm like, well, I guess

1203
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 2: I hope I don't get hit by a bus. But

1204
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: point with that being that a lot of people like

1205
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: their healthcare plan the whole Like if you like your doctor,

1206
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: you can keep your doctor.

1207
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 3: Wasn't true.

1208
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think that the very much the same thing

1209
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: kind of came with our abortion policy. Everyone's like, yeah,

1210
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: it's icky, but you know, it's relatively whatever it's done,

1211
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: and we'll just keep it that.

1212
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: Way, right, And if the fifteen week ban was it

1213
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 4: was national in the sense that you could get an

1214
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 4: abortion up to fifteen weeks anywhere in the country, then

1215
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 4: you might have a little bit more support for it.

1216
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 4: But what fifteen weeks says? No, that this is that's

1217
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 4: the cat's the cat's right.

1218
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 3: But but sorry, that's the ceiling, not the floor, right, So.

1219
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 5: Other states can then make it six weeks or or

1220
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 5: ban it completely. And so then.

1221
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 4: Democrats and abortion rights advocates are like, well, we don't

1222
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 4: need that because we like all you're doing then is

1223
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 4: putting a fifteen week abortion band in New York and California.

1224
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: Exactly why would a Democrat vote for that? In a

1225
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: lot of culture like here in Washington, d C. I'm

1226
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: pretty sure that you can get late term abortion like

1227
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: basically whenever you want.

1228
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: Now, you know, I think.

1229
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: That's I don't agree with that, But my point is like,

1230
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 2: why would somebody who lives in a state who has

1231
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: like late term abortion sign a fifteen week band, Like, no,

1232
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna campaign against this because you're basically making it

1233
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: so that everybody can go under if they want to,

1234
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: but not over if they want to. I actually kind

1235
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: of do believe in the whole leave it up to

1236
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: the states thing, because if you genuinely did leave it

1237
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 2: up to the states, quote unquote, like genuine no, abortion

1238
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: would really only exist in like four states in the

1239
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: whole maybe five, like in the whole country. After the

1240
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: democratic process, what kind of works its way out, I think,

1241
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: you know, at the end of the day, ironically, this

1242
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: is what I've said.

1243
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: I've told this to my own pro life friends.

1244
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: We probably will end up with more contraception and more

1245
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: abortion access in the United States post ROW, let's say

1246
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: ten years from now, just given.

1247
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: The way that look at what just happened with the FDA.

1248
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: The FDA just approved over the counter birth control that

1249
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: has never happened that in no way that happens without

1250
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: ROW versus WEAD.

1251
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 4: Although there's been pretty successful effort to close abortion clinics

1252
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 4: and people forget about people think about it just on

1253
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 4: a policy level and a legal level, but there's also

1254
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 4: a kind of structural operational level that you have to

1255
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 4: have doctors who are trained to perform abortion services, and

1256
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 4: then you have to have clinics that are able to

1257
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 4: actually serve clients. And as you have the laws in

1258
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 4: all of these different states constricting them, they're closing and

1259
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 4: that doesn't and then you lose a lot of legacy expertise,

1260
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 4: and so for that reason you may end up with

1261
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 4: much less depending on how things go. But yes, in

1262
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, this is going to be a huge

1263
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a huge issue.

1264
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: This is the in my opinion, this is the issue

1265
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: because and I don't want it to be. I never

1266
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 2: wanted to. I think the more you argue about guns

1267
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: and abortion, the more I feel like I'm five years

1268
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: old living in Texas again.

1269
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: But you're the ones who overturned.

1270
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 5: It, so you got it.

1271
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: Defend it, you know, for the American people.

1272
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: And I think that that is one where we have

1273
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 2: seen now state after state, referenda after referenda, election after election,

1274
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: abortion mattered so much more, frankly than I ever thought possible,

1275
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 2: more than Crystal thought possible. Maybe you two, going into

1276
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty when we were all here at the desk,

1277
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: who thought that when the midterm results were happening.

1278
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 4: And throughout Trump's first term, whenever he was in a jam,

1279
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 4: if you noticed, he would turn to the evangelical movement.

1280
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 5: Absolutely, those were his people at his back.

1281
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 4: And because he loves nothing more than loyalty, whether he

1282
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 4: agrees with you or not, I think he has complete

1283
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 4: contempt for them, but he loves the fact that they're

1284
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 4: loyal right to him, and so they became his favorit people.

1285
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 4: Now I think he's bothered. He's like, what is going

1286
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 4: on here? Like, why are these people not loyal to

1287
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 4: me anymore? I gave them everything they want because he

1288
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 4: can't get in their minds that they are just ideologically

1289
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 4: and religiously driven movement that is not stopping because it

1290
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 4: doesn't poll.

1291
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: Well, look, it's gonna be It's gonna be a bind.

1292
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: Been saying it now ever since the twenty twenty two

1293
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: election results and Trump's and I you know why I

1294
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: find this so interesting. I respect Trump as a politician,

1295
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: So when I see him floundering like that, I'm like, man,

1296
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: you got eleven months and that's the best he could

1297
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: come up with, because there is no not gonna be

1298
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: good for you.

1299
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 4: Because he can he can either do the politically smart

1300
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 4: damned if you do, and damned if you, which is to.

1301
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 5: Be for abortion rights. But he can't do that.

1302
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 4: He can't do that, he can't totally disavout what he did.

1303
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's it's gonna be tough, jam tough gig.

1304
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Ukraine. This again was actually

1305
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: one of the best moments of the entire night, policy wise,

1306
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: and possibly the most consequential should Trump ever become president again.

1307
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: It started with a voter. It's interesting how that works.

1308
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: He was very concerned about the amount of money going

1309
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: to Ukraine and wanted to know what President Trump thought

1310
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: about it. And then Kitlin decided to insert herself into

1311
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: some sort of win lose situation for Trump's policy whenever

1312
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: it came to diplomacy.

1313
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: Here's the full exchange. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 12: The current administration has made it clear that we should

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Speaker 12: continue to provide military equipment to Ukraine so that they

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00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 12: can defend themselves. Do you support this decision and how

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Speaker 12: would you deal with the increasing threat posed by Vladimir Puvin.

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Speaker 6: First of all, thank you very much. It's really nice

1319
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 6: and it's an important question, so important because we're giving

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00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 6: away so much equipment. We don't have ammunition for ourselves

1321
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 6: right now, we don't have ammunition for ourselves. We're giving

1322
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 6: away so much.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, do you want Ukraine to win this war?

1324
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Speaker 6: I don't think in terms of winning and losing. I

1325
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 6: think in terms of getting it settled. So we stopped

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00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 6: killing all these people and break you down is subject?

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Speaker 7: Well, what do you can I just follow up on that?

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00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 3: And you said you.

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00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 7: Have to get you to follow up on that because.

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Speaker 5: That's a really important. Let me just follow in there.

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00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 7: Can you say if you want Ukraine or Russia to

1332
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 7: win this war?

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Speaker 6: I want everybody to stop dying. They're dying, Russians and Ukrainians.

1334
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 6: I wanted to stop dying. And I'll have that done.

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00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 6: I'll have that done in twenty four hours.

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Speaker 5: I'll have it done.

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Speaker 7: And it comes to what's happening there. When you were

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00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 7: in office, you said that you respected President Putin? Do

1339
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 7: you still respect him today?

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Speaker 6: He made a tremendous mistake he made. He's a smart guy,

1341
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 6: you know, I remember I said he was smart. She

1342
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 6: was smart. Putin made a bad mistake. In my opinion.

1343
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 3: What was his.

1344
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 5: Mistake was going in. He would have never gone in.

1345
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Speaker 6: If I was president, we used to talk about it there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so uh, he made a mistake. He's not endorsing

1347
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 2: the Russian position by going in. Well, first, he's like

1348
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 2: he never should have done it and never would have

1349
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: happened if I had been there, of course, so that's

1350
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: the starting boy.

1351
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 3: Second, he made a huge mistake.

1352
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: Third, this was the most thoughtful answer I've seen a

1353
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: US politician make yet.

1354
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: There is no winning.

1355
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: I want people to stop dying whenever he says the

1356
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: other you know, funny thing is is that if you say, quote,

1357
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: I want Ukraine to win this war, well, what does

1358
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: that mean?

1359
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 3: Do you want Ukraine to invade Russia?

1360
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: Do you want Ukraine to fully take back all of

1361
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: its territory pre twenty twenty two or pre twenty and twelve,

1362
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: because those are actually or yeah, or which borders?

1363
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: You know what it's like talking about Israel like settlements.

1364
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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, sixty seven forty five whatever, and it's

1365
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 2: like boufour declaration. There's a lot of different ways that

1366
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: we can talk about it, right, and that's why it's

1367
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: a nuanced answer. It was the best answer I've heard yet.

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Speaker 2: I want everyone to stop dying. I want to bring

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00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: the conflict to an end. And actually the admission by

1370
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: the press and by the freak out over this is

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00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: that any thing that you say where I want the

1372
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: war to end and not necessarily one hundred percent of

1373
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: the the terms that Ukraine wants is some sort of

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01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: capitulation towards Russia. That's the ludicrous part of the reaction.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to say I don't think in terms of winning

1376
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 4: and losing is a genuinely kind of nuanced, enlightened way

1377
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 4: to think about war and peace. Taking a controversial anti

1378
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 4: death position, right, he wants that he wants people to

1379
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 4: stop dying. If you went back to the Vietnam era,

1380
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 4: you would you would see you would see the media

1381
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 4: coming after a president saying who is against the war,

1382
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 4: saying what, you don't want South Vietnam to win?

1383
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 5: Well, what does that mean South Vietnam to win?

1384
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 4: Does it mean we're gonna take over all of South

1385
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 4: Vietnam and run out.

1386
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 5: All of the grills.

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01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 4: I mean we're gonna take over North Vietnam and unify

1388
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 4: the country. If you said at the time, I don't

1389
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 4: think in terms in Vietnam of winning and losing, I

1390
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 4: think of stopping the death and you accomplished that policy agenda,

1391
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 4: there would be millions, millions of Vietnamese that were that.

1392
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 5: Were still alive as a result of that.

1393
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, or think about the Korean War or any of

1394
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 2: these others. These are messy conflicts the borders.

1395
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 5: South Korea never won, Yeah, exactly.

1396
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 3: Well, I mean my opinion, they did.

1397
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: They ended the war and they became one of the

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01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: most prosperous nations and developed nations on Earth. They literally

1399
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 2: sell us cell phones and cars. I mean, I've worked

1400
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: out for them.

1401
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 4: I feel a whole bunch of military dictatorships and yeah squads,

1402
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 4: but true, Okay, but.

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01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, like, you know, at the end

1404
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: of the day, like if they first and they gave

1405
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: me k pop, all right, so they gave me bts.

1406
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 3: So at the very least, they absolutely did.

1407
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: When people, you know, in North Korea, I'm pretty sure

1408
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: they're cracking down on K pop because they viewed as

1409
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 2: some sort of cultural My point being that like when Lou,

1410
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 2: if you talk to people in South Korea today, they're like, yeah, absolutely,

1411
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: we're glad that.

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01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 4: Again, it's also into the conclusion that if you go

1413
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 4: to Vietnam today, yeah, they.

1414
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 3: Don't even care about us. They don't think about there.

1415
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 5: There's gigantic Coca Cola billboards.

1416
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 4: You're like, what was this war over? We lost, but

1417
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 4: doesn't look much different than it would.

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 5: Have we won.

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01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: And you know, I think the most gracious thing about

1420
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 2: the Vietnamese is that they really don't hold it that

1421
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: very much against you, which I think is not you know,

1422
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: having spent.

1423
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 5: Some time two million people, I personally could.

1424
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: Not imagine you know, having yeah exactly and not that

1425
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 2: long ago. I mean, you know, life not for example,

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01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: when I when you watch the Ken Burns documentary and

1427
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: you're watching the people who fought in the Vietnamese War,

1428
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: both on the American side but on the Vietnamese side, and.

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01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 5: You're like, wow, they're they're just they're talking like the

1430
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 5: boom right.

1431
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't even exactly they're literally but they probably

1432
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 2: got twenty thirty years left. I know, I actually have

1433
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: well future family members who fought in Vietnam, And you know,

1434
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: it's actually kind of interesting for me because I'm like, Hey,

1435
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 2: tell me, what was that like in nineteen sixty eight,

1436
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: Like what was America like and life like kind of

1437
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: at that time. But the fact that I could do

1438
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 2: that about that conflict, and then you know, fifty something

1439
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: years later, still being a place where those people who

1440
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: you know were descendants, maybe fathers, even grandfathers, who were shot, killed, named,

1441
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: burned to death, whatever, don't you know, hold it against

1442
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: the I think really what we're trying to say is

1443
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: these are messy making policy on herministic statements like win lose.

1444
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 5: Miss the point unless.

1445
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 3: You're Ukrainian, and I think that's where I can have

1446
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 3: some sympathy.

1447
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: That's absolutely You're right, Ukrainient. You are free to do

1448
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: whatever you want. And if I were you, by the way,

1449
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 2: I would think the.

1450
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 5: Exact same thing.

1451
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: But I'm not you. You know, we're us.

1452
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: We could decide, like to the extent that this marginal

1453
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 2: conflict matters at all to our lives, to our national policy,

1454
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: to these billions of dollars into our own national security,

1455
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 2: how and what we treat that, And that's you know,

1456
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: people don't like to hear that, but sorry, I don't

1457
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: know what to say.

1458
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 3: Ukraine really doesn't matter to.

1459
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 2: The fate of America either way, and it's nice when

1460
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: you help them, but that's pretty much it.

1461
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 4: I think if Biden, if Biden can get the war

1462
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 4: to a resolution over the course of the next year.

1463
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 4: So that's just from a crass, cynical electoral perspective.

1464
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 5: He'd be in better shape strike if he can strike.

1465
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 4: After whatever this counter offensive is.

1466
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 3: Everyone can breathe a little bit, be like okay, yeah.

1467
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 4: And we don't know how it's going. It doesn't mean

1468
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 4: there won't be another war in ten years mm hmm.

1469
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, then another.

1470
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 5: But you know, you can't stop that anything.

1471
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: To the point about the freak out, we probably should

1472
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: have put this up there earlier, put this up there

1473
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: on this but we're having such a good time. We're

1474
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: talking Adam Kinzinger, you know. The freak out on the

1475
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: Republican side. For Trump not to say he wants Ukraine

1476
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: to win is insane. Chris Christie calling him Putin's puppet.

1477
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 2: Donald Trump says he would end the war in Ukraine

1478
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 2: in twenty four hours. Despite how ridiculous this is to say.

1479
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: I suspect he would try to do it by turning

1480
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 2: Ukraine over to Putin and Russia.

1481
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 3: Hashtag Putin's puppet.

1482
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 2: Chris Christy taking a little bit of a book out

1483
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: of boomer Mom's resistance Twitter, How's that going to work out?

1484
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 2: In a Republican primary.

1485
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 4: Interesting, right, that struck me as his signal that either

1486
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 4: he's not definitely not running for president uh huh, or

1487
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 4: thinks that there's.

1488
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 5: Some lane that doesn't exist. What did you make of

1489
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 5: that Putin's puppet?

1490
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 3: Oh?

1491
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: I just thought it was so foolish or outrageous, ridiculous

1492
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: both on his face and politically. I think Chris Christy

1493
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: loves the one thing that he's always been pretty good at,

1494
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 2: and that's called attention. And guess what we're talking about it,

1495
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 2: And so was all of the major networks. So now

1496
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: he gets to go on ABC as a contributor, and

1497
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: CNN and everywhere else and they all get to do

1498
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: segments about how Chris Christy called Trump Putin's puppet. And

1499
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 2: I think that's really the only currency he's ever cared about.

1500
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: So I guess, congratulations to Chris. You know, congratulations Enough

1501
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: of Trump. Let's talk about the news and Title forty two.

1502
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and put this up there on

1503
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: the screen. The United States is currently finalizing asylum restrictions

1504
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 2: to ramp up bordered deportations. After Title forty two collapses,

1505
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: let's spend some time Ryan first on Title forty two.

1506
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 3: What is Title forty two.

1507
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: Title forty two was the emergency quote unquote emergency policy

1508
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 2: that has been effect now for three years at the

1509
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: southern border, which gives the United States, based on pandemic

1510
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,479
Speaker 2: CDC related guidance to expel migrants who crossed the US

1511
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: Mexico border, regardless of their asylum status, return them to Mexico.

1512
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 3: Basically a pre biden.

1513
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: We were at a status quo during COVID of the

1514
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: Remain in Mexico policy combined with Title forty two, which

1515
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: significantly reduced the number of border crossings. Now, what is

1516
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 2: remain in Mexico because this is also something that we

1517
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: need to discuss. Remain in Mexico is a policy through

1518
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: which Central American migrants or really migrants from anywhere who

1519
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: travel through Mexico to the United States to claim safe

1520
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 2: harbor status must instead of applying for asylum in the

1521
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: United States as previous law and policy dictated, where they

1522
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 2: would remain again remain in America. Eventually through some sort

1523
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: of catch and release program, were basically released into the

1524
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: wild and said show up at a court in four

1525
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: years something like that. A lot of them didn't show up,

1526
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 2: or a lot of them would show up to one hearing,

1527
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: but then when they found out that the asylum hearing

1528
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna take it, then they wouldn't show up at all.

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Speaker 2: And it was basically backdoor illegal immigration, all right.

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Speaker 3: So that was the previous policy. Remain in Mexico was instituted.

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01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 2: By the Trump administration that said, apply for asylum in America.

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01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 2: You have to remain in Mexico. While you do so,

1533
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: US asylum officers and others would hear your claim, it

1534
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 2: would be adjudicated in the United States, and whether you

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01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: got asylum or not, would it happen in America, and

1536
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: post asylum status, if granted, you were allowed to remain.

1537
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 2: If not, otherwise you return to your country of origin.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 2: So Biden came into office and said one thing, I'm

1540
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: going to end remain in Mexico, but I'm going to

1541
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: keep Title forty two. Title forty two, in my opinion,

1542
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 2: was a political blessing to him because he didn't have

1543
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 2: to deal with it for something two and a half years.

1544
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: He basically got to continue the policy of expulsion of

1545
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: not as much.

1546
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 3: Cash and release and all that.

1547
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 2: Then what happened in the latest congressional session, there was

1548
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 2: an official end to the pandemic. By ending the pandemic

1549
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 2: the emergency Pandemic, you also end and sunset Title forty two. Now,

1550
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 2: with the end of Title forty two, tens of thousands

1551
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 2: of migrants from across Central America and even South America.

1552
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: A lot of these people are coming from Venezuela now

1553
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: at this point have transferred via Central America via Mexico

1554
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: and are on the other side of the border waiting

1555
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 2: for today because they know that they can no longer

1556
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 2: be expelled under pandemic authority. Now, a flood of migrants

1557
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: was predicted. The reason why is because we were going

1558
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 2: to previously, if this change had not come into place,

1559
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 2: returned to catch and release policy, where these people would

1560
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: come to the United States, they would be given a

1561
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: court date. They'd be like, I fear for my life

1562
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 2: or something like that, and they were like, Okay, show

1563
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: up at court in four years.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, here's a work license and you

1565
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 3: can go do whatever you want.

1566
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 2: Now, what Biden has done is the one thing Ryan

1567
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 2: he promised not to do. He has effectively brought back

1568
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 2: the remain in Mexico policy by using the asylum restriction

1569
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 2: that we just showed you where the new restriction will

1570
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: ramp up swift deportation of migrants who come across the

1571
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 2: US Mexico order by deploying US asylum officers and saying

1572
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 2: that they will have to basically go to Mexico and

1573
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: request refugee status quote in another country on their journey

1574
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 2: to the southern border before they will be heard their

1575
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: asylum case in the US. So Biden promised on the

1576
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 2: campaign trail not to do this. He tried every which

1577
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 2: way to get out of it, to get this.

1578
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 3: Way, that way, and all that, and now.

1579
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 2: We're basically right back to where we started after three

1580
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 2: years of Biden saying he's not going to do anything

1581
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 2: that Trump did at the border. And on top of that, Ryan,

1582
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 2: he's deploying fifteen hundred active US.

1583
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 3: Duty military troops to the southern border.

1584
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the freak out if Trump was president,

1585
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 2: if that was happening, so that anyway.

1586
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 5: We don't have to imagine it.

1587
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 3: Your reaction there was.

1588
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 4: A freak out, like heay appropriately, So I think one tweak,

1589
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 4: not one hundred percent sure on this. People could maybe

1590
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 4: correct on correct me in the comments. Sure, I don't

1591
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 4: think you can get a work visa when you get released.

1592
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 4: So maybe we can figure that. Maybe we can figure

1593
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 4: this action release. I mean, it depends on the it's

1594
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 4: like a work permit.

1595
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 3: Just that, just clear.

1596
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: So here is the investigation, the most dis the ones

1597
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 2: it will be harmed. Basically, the Biden administration denies it

1598
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 2: is granting employment authorization or However, recent articles suggests that

1599
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,919
Speaker 2: at least some of migrants are being issued work documents

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01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 2: at the time that they're being released from CBP custody.

1601
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure.

1602
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 2: Under Section two thirty five B the Immigration and Nationality Act,

1603
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 2: DHS is required to detain all aliens from the point

1604
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 2: at which they are encountered to the time that they

1605
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 2: were removed or granted status in the United States. However,

1606
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 2: with the increase of the border emergency catch and release policy,

1607
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: it has led to some instances through which work permits

1608
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 2: and work authorization is permitted on a case by case basis.

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01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,600
Speaker 4: That's where we'rerat and to me, if somebody is in

1610
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 4: the country, they should have work authorization, like it's bizarre.

1611
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 3: Otherwise, well, it depends if you're here illegally. I don't know.

1612
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: About that, right, because then that's basically is the incentive

1613
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 2: is like as long as you can get here and

1614
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 2: then you get to work and you get to pay

1615
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 2: some security and all that.

1616
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 3: I mean, personally, I have a problem with that in

1617
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 3: terms of our immigration law.

1618
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1619
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 4: I was going to do my monologue today on sanctions

1620
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 4: on Cuba and break down, which we dumped it for

1621
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 4: so that we could talk more about the town hall

1622
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 4: from last night. But so there was a letter and

1623
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 4: we talked about this briefly with Rocana yesterday. Who signed

1624
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 4: this letter, so Veronica Escobar, who is the congresswoman from

1625
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 4: El Paso, so one of the border towns that deals.

1626
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 3: With this basically in a state of emergency.

1627
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So she led this letter and it comes

1628
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 4: after a report by the Center for Economic Policy and

1629
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 4: Research that expansively studied the consequences of sanctions and found

1630
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 4: that they do not perform the political function that people

1631
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 4: are that claiming that they're going to perform, which is

1632
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 4: to pressure a government into you know, bending its will

1633
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 4: to the United States. But they do miserate economically the

1634
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 4: population of the country.

1635
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 5: They don't really hurt the elites.

1636
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 4: They only ensconced the elites Venezuela is envoy Venezuela's opposition envoy.

1637
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 4: So this is the pro us dude who's here in

1638
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 4: Washington trying to, you know, rally support for you know whoever,

1639
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 4: the next Gui Juan Guido is who we're going to

1640
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 4: like back in whatever coup attempt we try again in

1641
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 4: the future. He came out and said, I really do

1642
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 4: not think that is a good idea if these sanctions

1643
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 4: on Venezuela continue, because what you're going to do is

1644
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,480
Speaker 4: you're going to create a political issue for Florida politicians,

1645
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 4: and you're going to ensconce the Venezuelan elite and leadership

1646
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,560
Speaker 4: in power. The claim is that you're going to be

1647
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 4: hurting Venezuela and political leadership with these sanctions, but in fact,

1648
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 4: it just stunts the economy uh and it and it

1649
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 4: stunts any ability for the for that economy to grow,

1650
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 4: which is kind of a prerequisite for producing an opposition uh.

1651
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 4: And it otherwise creates a calcified situation. If sanctions and

1652
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 4: embargoes we're going to do anything, you would not have

1653
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 4: the same government in power in Cuba that you had

1654
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 4: seventy years ago. And so what we're and Ben Ben Rhodes,

1655
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 4: who was Obama's Obama's National Squitrey advisor, now a posse

1656
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 4: bro who the the posse Bros have been on a

1657
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 4: roll lately, on a bunch of stuff, and he made it.

1658
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 4: He made a great point. He's like and and he

1659
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 4: gets listened to in the Biden administration, so it's important

1660
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 4: what he says. He was like, so, we currently have

1661
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 4: a policy of producing economic catastrophes in Cuba and Venezuela

1662
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 4: that then produce out migration flows, and then we're going

1663
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 4: to close the border and punt them back to Mexico.

1664
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 4: It's like, what what I mean? Now, I'm sure some

1665
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 4: viewers like, we don't close the border, it's wide open.

1666
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 5: Whatever.

1667
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 4: The policy is that they're not opening the border and

1668
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 4: granting asylum to every Cuban in Venezuelan, yet we're also

1669
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 4: producing migration crises out of those countries.

1670
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 5: He's like, do one or the other.

1671
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 4: So his argument is like, enough with these sanctions, Like

1672
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 4: I think these countries.

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01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 5: I agree with that.

1674
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 2: The only reason why I do think it is cope,

1675
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: at least on the part of a lot of liberals,

1676
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 2: is this comes to the heart of the idea that

1677
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 2: we are solely responsible for, like whatever is going on

1678
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,799
Speaker 2: in Central and South America, to which I just fundamentally reject.

1679
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 2: Chris A don't have about this debate a million times,

1680
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: but like listen, you know, it's like the Cia San

1681
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 2: Denista ku was like it was like fifty years ago

1682
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 2: or what forty years ago? Actually maybe more now that

1683
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 2: I think about it, I just don't think that is

1684
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 2: the major cause of migration to the United States. Like

1685
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: El Salvador being drug infested is its own problem. Like

1686
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,799
Speaker 2: that's a problem that, yes, America has contributed to somewhat,

1687
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 2: but democratically they.

1688
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 3: Have decided to come up with a solution.

1689
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 2: You may not like that solution, but they have it

1690
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: certainly in place right now with what's going on there,

1691
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 2: and I look at it multifaceted.

1692
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 3: I don't even disagree.

1693
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 2: I actually do think we should probably remove these sanctions

1694
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 2: if that is what's contributing. At the same time, though,

1695
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 2: to me, it's ludicrous that we don't have something called

1696
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 2: a safe third country agreement with Mexico. So what people

1697
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: don't understand is if you we were to traverse the

1698
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: United States and go to Canada to request asylum, they

1699
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 2: would reject your asylum claim because America is a safe

1700
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 2: third country as in under UN the UN Refugee Asylum

1701
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: Law or whatever. If you are declared a safe third

1702
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 2: country and we have an agreement in between states, they

1703
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 2: would say, no, we're not accepting your asylum claim in

1704
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 2: Canada because you should have applied in America.

1705
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 3: Well, the reason why people are able to traverse.

1706
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 2: Mexico and enter America is that Mexico is not a

1707
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 2: declared safe third country. Now, unfortunately for our PRIs this

1708
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 2: is for to get Mexico become a safe third country agreement,

1709
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 2: we would have to get them to agree they're a

1710
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 2: safe third country.

1711
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 3: And why would they agree to that.

1712
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 2: They don't want to deal with all the asylum down

1713
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: on their Guatemalan border, just as much as we don't

1714
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 2: want to deal with what's going on down there too.

1715
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 3: So I would look at it two things.

1716
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: Agree, we should reduce migration, but I also think the

1717
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 2: idea that these people are quote unquote fleeing for their

1718
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 2: lives is ludicrous, because here's the truth. Ask them yourselves.

1719
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 2: They're coming here for economic migration, and that's jitimate. That's

1720
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: fine by saying my parents came here for economic for

1721
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 2: economic reasons, but they had to go through a legal process.

1722
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 2: And my point is that you don't get to just

1723
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: decide you want to come to America.

1724
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 3: You have to apply.

1725
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 2: It's onerous and now you can just debate whether it

1726
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 2: should be easier or not. I think that the way

1727
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 2: we do immigration is stupid because it's mostly family base

1728
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 2: called chain migration. It should be more based on skills

1729
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 2: and on merit. But my point is that we all

1730
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,600
Speaker 2: need to be more honest here. They're coming here for

1731
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 2: economic reasons that you're not. You know, like if people

1732
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 2: are like, oh, we're fleeing violence, fleeing domestic abuse. By

1733
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 2: that standard, any person who's ever been in a domestically

1734
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 2: violent situation would qualify for asylum in the United States.

1735
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 2: That's like a billion people, right, I mean, it's it's

1736
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 2: just not going to work. It's not practicable for having

1737
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 2: a genuine system.

1738
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 4: Right, And if that's true, then we should just lift

1739
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 4: the sanctions, like because what it's with them?

1740
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1741
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 4: Right, And I'm sure you've had this argument a thousand times,

1742
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 4: like you said with Crystal, but I would just add,

1743
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 4: like the Hillary Clinton's basically you know, coup in Honduras

1744
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 4: with two thousand and nine. The guatemal And Dirty War

1745
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 4: didn't end until the nineteen nineties. L Salvador's gang problem

1746
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 4: comes from the mass deportation of gang members from Yeah.

1747
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:14,879
Speaker 3: But they were here illegally, like we're.

1748
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 11: Not, We're not.

1749
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 5: Why were they here? Why were they here illegally?

1750
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 4: Because we backed the Dirty War in the nineteen eighties,

1751
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 4: that's I mean we.

1752
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: Also they had their own problems Ryan, they had big

1753
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 2: earthquakes and all these other nats. They had disasters which

1754
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 2: crashed it. I'm just saying it's not all America's fault. First,

1755
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 2: this is why I always point to why is Costa

1756
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 2: Rica doing so well?

1757
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 5: We had didn't We didn't cool them, and we mine created.

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01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 2: Dirtstory because in the same place geographically they have the

1759
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 2: same uh you know, they have no military, they have

1760
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 2: no problems.

1761
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,879
Speaker 5: Exactly, no US backed military.

1762
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,719
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, to be fair, we basically guarantee their security,

1763
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,879
Speaker 2: so it's not like America doesn't happen, So let's.

1764
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 5: Do that everywhere.

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01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I don't know if I wanted to guarantee

1766
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 3: security for all these places.

1767
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you're you're you don't get anything for free,

1768
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 4: like yeah, and This is also the coming coming to

1769
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 4: roost of our hollowing out of our middle class, because

1770
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 4: the deal that we made with our middle class and

1771
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 4: our manufacturing base was that we're going to destroy our

1772
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 4: capacity to like produce here in the United States, but

1773
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 4: in exchange, you're going to get a lot of cheap crap,

1774
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 4: cheap toys, cheap bananas. She's mostly made in Mexico, and

1775
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 4: it's going to be made in Mexico, and then once

1776
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 4: that gets too expensive, it's going to be made in

1777
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,759
Speaker 4: Central America. And in order to make it in Central America,

1778
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 4: we're going to have to prop up vicious right wing

1779
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 4: dictators who are going to you know, who are going

1780
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 4: to run desk squads, They're going to kill union organizers,

1781
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 4: and we're going to make sure that unions and leftists

1782
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 4: cannot gain power in these countries because that would raise

1783
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 4: the price of consumer goods. And if consumer goods are

1784
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 4: more expensive, then we can't hollow out our industrial core.

1785
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 4: And so the result of that is these kind of

1786
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 4: desiccated Central American and South American countries which are now

1787
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 4: sending people flooding north.

1788
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 2: Certainly, yeah, look, I'm not going to deny that America

1789
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 2: to never roll. I don't think we're the will cause

1790
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 2: of all their problems. But I also think here's the

1791
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 2: other issue, and I always think about this, by the

1792
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: idea that America, if it was America's fault that Central

1793
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 2: American nations are all this way, then why is it

1794
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 2: fair for Central Americans to be able to come here

1795
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 2: and get asylum just because they can walk here and

1796
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 2: not Iraq I mean, by that standard, every Iraqi should

1797
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: be able to get asylum in the United They've got

1798
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 2: way more right to it, I think than anybody else.

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01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not saying I agree with that.

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01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: I'm saying though, by that standard, it's not really fair

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01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 2: because Iraqis can't just walk here.

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01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 3: And they probably would come if they could.

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01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 2: Actually some people at the border actually from the Middle East,

1804
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: ironically enough, So anyway, I think that ideologically, I understand

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01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: where people are coming from. Nobody's saying you don't have compassion,

1806
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 2: like a compassion for anybody who wants to come to

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01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 2: this country. I've been all over this world and everybody

1808
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 2: you know, anytime you meet somebody, and especially in developing

1809
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 2: situation that I was like, Wow, America, I would love

1810
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 2: to go there. Sometime, and I think that's great, I

1811
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 2: really do. But that doesn't mean, though that everybody does

1812
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 2: have the right to come here. And I think that

1813
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 2: is where a lot of people have the presumption and

1814
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 2: if we have the standard of which, well, if you're

1815
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 2: fleeing you know, third world status. I mean that's there's

1816
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 2: what four billion people or whatever who live in that bleom.

1817
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 3: So we got to have a law.

1818
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 2: You gotta have a standard, and then we get to

1819
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 2: decide what that standard is. We did so in nineteen

1820
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 2: sixty five. That's the last time that we really had

1821
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 2: a wholesale change of our US immigration system. And I

1822
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: think everything should be up for debate, you know, everything

1823
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: they were talking about here. So I appreciate the conversation though, Ryan,

1824
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 2: it actually was I think was thoughtful and.

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01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 5: People, well, we can agree on lifting the sanctions.

1826
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 3: Sure absolutely.

1827
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 2: I think actually a lot of my swingers outside of

1828
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 2: the Florida people and.

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01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 4: You guys are done because it's not a swing state anymore.

1830
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 4: So we don't want to hear from you.

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01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 2: Leave us a comment and let us know what we think. Okay,

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01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 2: let's go to the second one here.

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01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 5: You're from Florida. Not interesting that you're from Florida.

1834
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 2: Although they trust me, though my dms get very full

1835
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 2: of Cubans every time we talk about this. All right,

1836
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 2: let's go ahead to the last part here and talk

1837
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 2: about Tucker Carlson, Don Lemon, Elon Musk, and everything that's

1838
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: happening there. We don't want to make it all just

1839
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 2: about CNN, did we?

1840
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 5: So?

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01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 2: Ironically, after Tucker announced that he's coming to Twitter, I

1842
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 2: did that breaking news segment for everybody. Elon actually is

1843
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 2: now inviting Don Lemon onto the platform. Let's go ahead and

1844
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. Elon invites XCNN

1845
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 2: anchor Don Lemon to host a show on Twitter. He

1846
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: replied to one of his tweets, have you considered doing

1847
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: your show on this platform?

1848
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 3: May be worth a try. Audience is much bigger.

1849
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 2: And this all comes amid questions around how the Tucker

1850
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 2: Show is going to work and Elon making Twitter into

1851
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 2: a place for long form video and podcasting.

1852
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 3: Cards on the table.

1853
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 2: I am personally skeptical that this is going to work out,

1854
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 2: and I listen. I think Elon is a legendary engineer

1855
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 2: and all of that. Here's the if anybody you could

1856
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 2: do it, maybe it could be him. Here are the

1857
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 2: reasons why it would be trepidacious. Number one, they already

1858
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 2: tried video on Twitter and Facebook.

1859
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 3: It was called the pivot to Video. I actually lived

1860
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 3: through it and watched it fail.

1861
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 2: There was a show called Am two DM, which was

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01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 2: by BuzzFeed News that was on Twitter. It was like

1863
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: a morning show on Twitter. It was a horrendous failure.

1864
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 2: It was a disaster.

1865
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 3: Now that said, those.

1866
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: Hosts were not talented, and Tucker is you know, but look,

1867
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 2: you can hate the man, but you can you can

1868
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 2: very very least. You have to agree he's good at

1869
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 2: what he does. So generational talent much better at what

1870
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 2: he does. Built an audience, built in elite interest, right,

1871
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 2: that's going to be there. Not in the same way.

1872
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 2: My question is about the long term sustainability. You know,

1873
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 2: the hot news around launching that only lasts. I mean,

1874
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 2: how long did it last year? Breaking points? Maybe two

1875
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 2: weeks before we were into you know, kind of a rhythm.

1876
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 2: You got to have the tools and the platform, the

1877
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 2: ability to be able to watch long form content and

1878
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 2: consume long form content. And my concern around Twitter is

1879
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 2: is that when you're scrolling, especially Twitter video, like if

1880
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 2: you watch Twitter video, What's what are the videos you

1881
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: watch on Twitter?

1882
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 5: For me, it's news clips.

1883
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 3: And then like brawls in the middle of randomly.

1884
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: A bunch of brawls, like so and so smacks so

1885
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 2: and so in the face, a camel walking across the

1886
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: sport or camel or like a turtle, or if my

1887
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 2: fiance is dving me cat videos as I'm watching these.

1888
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 2: But here's something universal I've noticed with my Twitter video consumption.

1889
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 5: I very rarely listen to the clip.

1890
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 2: I hover over it, I watch what happens, a grin,

1891
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 2: and then I keep scrolling. That's not really what's happening

1892
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 2: here on YouTube. The vast majority of people who are

1893
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 2: watching this clip clicked on it and are doing so intentionally.

1894
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 3: A lot of them are watching it on their phone.

1895
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 2: They've got their earbuds in, they're sitting there, and they're

1896
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 2: locked into what you and I are saying. They're locked

1897
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 2: into a long form thing. They don't even have the

1898
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 2: ability really to scroll if they don't want to, unless

1899
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 2: I guess if you have YouTube Premium or whatever. The

1900
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 2: point being that, whenever you are watching a YouTube clip,

1901
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 2: the platform is designed around watching and retention. Twitter is

1902
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 2: designed for something else, not saying again he can't do it.

1903
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 2: Just that Facebook tried this too, their whole pivot to video.

1904
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 3: They had the mic dot com.

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01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 2: You remember this, Yes, all those shows when I worked

1906
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 2: at the Daily Caller.

1907
01:23:58,520 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 3: Oh my god, guys.

1908
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,759
Speaker 5: Were shower money on news outlets.

1909
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 2: We were going all in on Facebook and then overnight

1910
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 2: they decided to just drop it and nuked a bunch

1911
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 2: of companies.

1912
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 3: So what do you make of it? Because you let

1913
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 3: you lived through all of.

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01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 5: This, just like I did.

1915
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 4: Yes, it's it goes the question of first screen second screen,

1916
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 4: and so YouTube is like a first screen where or

1917
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 4: and your television is like a first screen. It's like

1918
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 4: that's the thing that you're primarily watching. Your second second

1919
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 4: screen app is something that you're messing with on the side.

1920
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,879
Speaker 4: Twitter is a second screen app. It is fed content,

1921
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 4: which Tucker knows because he said that, yes, he said

1922
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 4: in his video recently that cable produces the material.

1923
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 5: Then we then talk about on Twitter.

1924
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 4: So it raises the question, if you're watching Tucker on Twitter,

1925
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 4: how do you tweet? You got to And people's fingers

1926
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 4: are going to be like shaking, because because as people

1927
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 4: are watching on YouTube right now, if they have thoughts

1928
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 4: about what we're saying. They go over to Twitter and

1929
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 4: they'll be like, can you believe what Ryan said? That's

1930
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 4: the craziest thing I've ever heard.

1931
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 3: Yes, and people do it all the time.

1932
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 4: But if you are watching it on Twitter, then you

1933
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,759
Speaker 4: have to leave what you're watching in order to tweet.

1934
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 4: And people's I think impulse to post is so strong

1935
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 4: in this in this distracted, scattered time that we live

1936
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 4: in that they're not gonna be able to maintain their

1937
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 4: attention through a ten minute Tucker monologue because they want

1938
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 4: to comment on.

1939
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 2: Here's a good point too to who we just made.

1940
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,719
Speaker 2: Eighty percent of all Twitter users are on a mobile device.

1941
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 2: So then you got to think about whenever you're in

1942
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 2: the Twitter experience in the app, I'm watching a video,

1943
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 2: but I also have tweets going by. Maybe underneath do

1944
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,959
Speaker 2: I have a comments? Am I able to tweet underneath

1945
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 2: as a comment? How does the comment system work? Can

1946
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 2: we upvote, downvote, you know, retweet, you know, reapply and

1947
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 2: all that.

1948
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 5: We have all that.

1949
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 2: Figured out on YouTube, on Rumble, on Odyssey, any of

1950
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: these video platforms. And the thing is they're designed for video,

1951
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 2: so it's just it just looks different to me once again.

1952
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it can't be done, right, I'm just

1953
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 2: raising all of the engineering like problems at a very

1954
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 2: first principles level. That raised my mind end of like, hmm,

1955
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 2: I don't know about this. Like my immediate reaction is, wow,

1956
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,600
Speaker 2: that's a gamble. A lot of some people contacted me

1957
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 2: though it's not a gamble like Elon knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not even saying that. I'm just like,

1959
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Speaker 2: it doesn't exist yet, right, so by definition, so stance,

1960
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Speaker 2: come on, I'm willing to see I mean, right now,

1961
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. The main thing that annoys me

1962
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Speaker 2: is I can't speed up the clips. Drives me nuts.

1963
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Speaker 2: I never watched a YouTube video one x unless it's you.

1964
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm just like, oh my time.

1965
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Speaker 2: I have so many other things they could be doing

1966
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Speaker 2: at this moment, but I'm one of those freaks who

1967
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Speaker 2: listens to three point five speed.

1968
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Speaker 3: So what do I know?

1969
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Speaker 2: Not on YouTube on Spotify because thanks to them for

1970
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Speaker 2: giving me that ability.

1971
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Speaker 5: And soccer speaks in two points two do speak in

1972
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Speaker 5: two x?

1973
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Speaker 4: People have told me that before I speak in like

1974
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Speaker 4: point five x, well then.

1975
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Speaker 3: We balance out.

1976
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Speaker 2: So that means you should listen to us at one

1977
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Speaker 2: point five and then you'll get it at a very good,

1978
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Speaker 2: very good speed. Let's go to the second part here,

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Speaker 2: which is important. Put it up there on the screen there, guys,

1980
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Speaker 2: please semaphore inside Tucker Carlson's new media plan.

1981
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Speaker 3: So this is pretty interesting, really.

1982
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Speaker 2: It gets one of the biggest questions, which is why

1983
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Speaker 2: did Tucker go.

1984
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 3: To Twitter in the first place.

1985
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 2: And there's actually a fascinating contract piece which debuts inside

1986
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 2: of this. Inside of Tucker's contract with Fox. According to

1987
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: his people who leaked this to Semaphorex, he had a

1988
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Speaker 2: provision of his contract Ryan where he was allowed to

1989
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Speaker 2: have personal control over his Twitter on. So because of that,

1990
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Speaker 2: they have a better argument as to why a show

1991
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:37,520
Speaker 2: on Twitter is not a breach of contract or non compete.

1992
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 2: And so what do we come to the conclusion of

1993
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 2: this is a major reason why not on top of

1994
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 2: the free speech and all this suff that he talked

1995
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 2: about in his relationship with Elon, why he might have

1996
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 2: chosen to go with Twitter in the first place was

1997
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 2: specifically because they believed that a they could sue Fox

1998
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 2: for violation of contract, but b that Fox would have

1999
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: a harder time in court with some sort of c

2000
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 2: to desist if they were to debut on Twitter.

2001
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Speaker 3: It's first place. It actually makes perfect sense whenever you

2002
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:05,879
Speaker 3: think about.

2003
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 4: It, right, And whenever Fox signed that contract, A they

2004
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 4: didn't think they'd be firing A Tucker. But see, they

2005
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 4: didn't think Elon would be buying Twitter, because Elon buying

2006
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 4: Twitter opens.

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01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 5: Up the possibility for this to happen.

2008
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Speaker 4: Even if it's true, which I don't necessarily believe that

2009
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 4: they don't have a deal. Even if that's true, the

2010
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 4: old Twitter would probably be like throttling him. Oh of course, yeah,

2011
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Speaker 4: it would take him down de platform, and so it

2012
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 4: wouldn't it wouldn't be the kind of avenue that it

2013
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 4: is for him now. And they also didn't see Elon's

2014
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 4: kind of pivot to video coming because they didn't se

2015
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 4: Elon coming. So, with all that we said about the

2016
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 4: problems with Twitter as as a first screen kind of

2017
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 4: video platform, if that's all you got because of this

2018
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 4: loophole in your contract, then yeah, by all means go,

2019
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 4: it'll produce viral clips, which question which perhaps is all

2020
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 4: he needs in order to stay relevant until he can

2021
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 4: get back on.

2022
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 2: Here's whatever that they say, Tucker prioritize influence. Tucker on

2023
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 2: Twitter allows him to not just be another podcaster, to

2024
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 2: get in front of a large, influential audience, he could

2025
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 2: get back to talking about the news quickly there. So

2026
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Speaker 2: that is, frankly the only piece I totally disagree with.

2027
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 2: And I am not saying that we have any influence.

2028
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Speaker 2: I wish we had more influence. I would love that

2029
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 2: if I did. But my thing is that it's like

2030
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Speaker 2: Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan seeks no influence, but because of

2031
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 2: his audience size, he has influence. So saying just another podcaster,

2032
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is a little bit a little bit

2033
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 2: to Robbintry.

2034
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Speaker 3: Not at us.

2035
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 2: I'm talking about at the podcasters who do have I

2036
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 2: mean Charlomagne that God is technically a podcaster. I mean,

2037
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 2: guess what, He's an influential figure and his clips go

2038
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 2: viral no matter what. So I think what he's getting

2039
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 2: at is Republican politics. But here once again I want

2040
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,759
Speaker 2: to quibble, Matt Walsh is a podcaster. In my opinion,

2041
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 2: he is probably the single most important person in the

2042
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 2: GOP outside of elected officials today.

2043
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Speaker 3: That's not an endorsement. I'm saying, like if you think.

2044
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 2: Like libs of TikTok is like account associated with Matt

2045
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 2: walsh'sm Walsh with what is a Woman documentary? With his

2046
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: Twitter account, he basically single handedly kind of started the

2047
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Speaker 2: bud Light thing.

2048
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Speaker 3: You can't deny the results.

2049
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 2: So that would be like me, that would be like

2050
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Speaker 2: saying that Matt Walsh is just a podcaster and has

2051
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 2: no influence. No, I mean influence is not you know,

2052
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 2: being a podcaster has nothing to do with influencer. Not

2053
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 2: influence itself does Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro is one of

2054
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 2: the most influential people in Republican politics today. There's no

2055
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 2: question in terms of the amount of young Republicans and

2056
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:44,799
Speaker 2: others who consume his content. It's off the chain, Tim Poole,

2057
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 2: all these other people. And the way I know that

2058
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 2: Tim Poole is influential is I see Republican politicians on

2059
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 2: a show.

2060
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 3: Guess what.

2061
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 2: They wouldn't be going on a show if they didn't

2062
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 2: think that it mattered. If I see Matt Gates on

2063
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 2: a show, I'm like, yeah, he's influential. Steve Bannon is

2064
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 2: a podcaster. Do you believe that Steve Bannon doesn't have

2065
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 2: any influence Jaded Vance who was on our show, he

2066
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 2: was on War Room yesterday. Why because of influence, That's

2067
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 2: the reason. So influences what you make of it, not

2068
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 2: what you whether you're a podcast or not.

2069
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 3: That's my only major quibble with this.

2070
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 5: It is maybe a date it is.

2071
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 4: It is exposing I think Tucker's somewhat dated. Like newsview,

2072
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 4: He's a Washington creature. And that's not a criticism or

2073
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 4: or not, because I'm creature too, But so he has

2074
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 4: a little Washington brain there. That and he still thinks

2075
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 4: of Twitter as the place where you know, pundit's politicians

2076
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:37,719
Speaker 4: and the elites are gathering.

2077
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 5: Even's interesting to hear him kind of still want.

2078
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 2: That, even what he said in his video, Remember when

2079
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 2: when you you brought up where he said, Twitter is

2080
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 2: the place we talk about cable news. It's also the

2081
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 2: place that we talk about Matt Walsh. It's also the

2082
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 2: place that we talk about at Shapiro. It's a place

2083
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 2: where clips of all kinds go viral. Right, our clips

2084
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 2: have gone viral before on Twitter, not always for the

2085
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 2: best reasons, but they go, but they go viral.

2086
01:31:58,800 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 5: Can't control that.

2087
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 2: People often actually will react to most of the time

2088
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 2: when elites are reacting to our show, it's because of

2089
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:07,839
Speaker 2: some stuff that went viral on Twitter.

2090
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 3: No, but none of them actually would watch the show.

2091
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 2: But my point is that Twitter is just a place

2092
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 2: to debate and to distribute into It's not just about cable.

2093
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's about cable.

2094
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 2: Cable is fun, you know, to dunk on, but people

2095
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,799
Speaker 2: dunk on, you know, YouTubers are dunking on each.

2096
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 3: Other on Twitter all the time.

2097
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 2: And my point is that it's just more about the

2098
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 2: function of the medium more than the clip itself. Also

2099
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 2: worth noting Elon, According to Elon's put us up there

2100
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 2: on the screen says he wants to be clear. Quote,

2101
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 2: we have not signed a deal of any kind whatsoever.

2102
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 2: Tucker is subject to the same rules and rewards of

2103
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 2: all content creators. Rewards means subscriptions and advertising revenue share

2104
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 2: quote coming soon, which is a function of how many

2105
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:55,839
Speaker 2: people subscribe and the advertising views associated with the content

2106
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 2: that actually gets to something. We were just talking about

2107
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 2: Ryan building out the ad shares that YouTube I mean,

2108
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 2: the YouTube ad program is what ten years in the

2109
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 2: making maybe more, And the algorithm and the cut and

2110
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Speaker 2: the way you think about all of that is very difficult.

2111
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 2: I would also say if I were Tucker, I ever

2112
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 2: would want to be in a situation where I'm reliant

2113
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 2: on advertising revenue. Ever, again, given the amount of advertisers,

2114
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 2: a boycott at a show, so you know, how do

2115
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 2: you know the advertsarivisors I'm going to boycott on Twitter

2116
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 2: or going to be like, don't you dare serve my

2117
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 2: content on the Tucker Punt.

2118
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 5: Now you're in the exact same boat.

2119
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 2: I mean, hopefully he has enough money he doesn't have

2120
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 2: to worry about this, but it is a concern.

2121
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 4: His show is kind of the peak example of the

2122
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 4: thing that advertisers are scared of, and foxes out there

2123
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 4: claiming that they're now getting all this extra advertising revenue into.

2124
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 5: The eight o'clock hour.

2125
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 4: Broadly, politics in general is advertising kryptonite?

2126
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 2: Correct, And as we see this on YouTube for examples

2127
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 2: all the time, I'll take people inside when I talk

2128
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 2: to YouTubers who work in tech, their average CPM as

2129
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 2: in the amount of costs that they get paid per video,

2130
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 2: not so that's RPM revenue per millionaire whatever. See their

2131
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 2: average CPM on advertising in terms of the dollar amount

2132
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 2: that they're allowed to sell is double and sometimes triple

2133
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 2: what we sell here on breaking points. We don't sell

2134
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 2: anything YouTube obviously does. And you know why is ours

2135
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 2: is less politics. Politics is toxic. This is a reason

2136
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 2: we don't rely on advertisers because you know, the only

2137
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 2: advertisers who care about politics, who are they? Ryan people

2138
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 2: who want to influential the political process. I ain't taking

2139
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 2: any big pharma process. Won't be taking a dime from

2140
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 2: them either in terms of our support for counterpoints. So yeah,

2141
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 2: the point is that that's not the way we run

2142
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 2: our business.

2143
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 3: Hence we have a subscription revenue.

2144
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Speaker 2: Why there are pitfalls in this all in the first place,

2145
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, it's a very very interesting time. I've

2146
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 2: often said here COVID opened my eyes to the corruption

2147
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 2: of the medical system before the pandemic. I thought some

2148
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 2: doctors organizations were acting like idiots whenever it came to

2149
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 2: the culture war, like gender ideology. But but you know,

2150
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 2: on most other areas they could buy and large be trusted, right.

2151
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 2: I knew pharma was corrupt on the drug front, but

2152
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 2: my eyes were not open to the totality of corruption

2153
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 2: in the entire field. Doctors both socially and financially doing

2154
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 2: what's in their best interests, medical journals being used as

2155
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 2: tools of the establishment, abandoning real science, and most important

2156
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 2: of all, the pervasion of money into the very root

2157
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Speaker 2: of the system.

2158
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 3: Since then, my eyes are now open.

2159
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 2: My default position now for doctors is when you make

2160
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 2: a recommendation to me, prove it. Why do I actually

2161
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 2: need something? Why is it not part of a larger

2162
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 2: money making scheme. And it's with that orientation that I

2163
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 2: saw an interesting piece of news pop up yesterday. From

2164
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 2: five years ago, I never would have thought anything about

2165
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 2: quote new draft recommendations by the US Preventive Services Task

2166
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 2: Force that state that women who are between the ages

2167
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 2: of forty and seventy four should have screening mammograms every

2168
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,600
Speaker 2: two years. The guidance is a big deal because previously

2169
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 2: biennial screening was not suggested for the age of forty,

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01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 2: while those between the age of forty and fifty were

2171
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 2: considered on a case by case basis. Now, according to them,

2172
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 2: because of increasing rates of breast cancer in the forty

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Speaker 2: to fifty year old demographic, they're increasing screening recommendations for everyone.

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Speaker 2: Pre COVID Zaga would have been like, okay, whatever sounds

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Speaker 2: reasonable on its face. Post COVID, though immediately I'm thinking

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Speaker 2: this sounds like a multi billion dollar gift to the

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Speaker 2: mammogram industry, and the doctors and the nurses have performed

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Speaker 2: these procedures, so am I right. Let's think about it

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Speaker 2: a little bit, shall we. It only took me like

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Speaker 2: ten minutes to find that, not even ten years ago,

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Speaker 2: doctors involved women's health. We're singing a very different tune

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Speaker 2: about mammogram screening. In twenty fifteen, a major study in

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Speaker 2: Health Affairs analyzed seven hundred thousand women from twenty eleven

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Speaker 2: to twenty thirteen between the ages of forty to fifty

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Speaker 2: nine who had routine mammograms. Eleven percent of these women

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Speaker 2: had quote suspicious manograms and were subjected to further testing,

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Speaker 2: including repeat mammograms, ultrasounds, and needle biopsies.

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Speaker 5: Quote.

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Speaker 2: For nearly all these women ninety eight points experts ninety

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Speaker 2: eight point six percent cancer was not confirmed in further testing.

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Speaker 2: Now that's crazy, right, but actually gets crazier. The study

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Speaker 2: authors found that false alarms for women for the entire

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Speaker 2: female population over forty was costing the United States two

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Speaker 2: point eight billion dollars each year on follow up test

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Speaker 2: results for suspicious results that were not cancer and that's

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Speaker 2: just the dollars. Over treatment was actually even more of

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Speaker 2: a concern. They said that even when cancer was detected,

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Speaker 2: those tumors might be of low risk to the patient,

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Speaker 2: but that once we're suspicious, suspicions were raised. Over treatment

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Speaker 2: was the result, including misectomy, chemotherapy, radiation in women who

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Speaker 2: may not have needed any medical treatment at all otherwise.

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Speaker 2: A similar finding actually occurred in a major study of

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Speaker 2: Danish and Norwegian women just last year. They found that quote,

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Speaker 2: the advantages of breast cancer screenings have steadily diminished.

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Speaker 3: To the point where they are no longer outweighed by.

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Speaker 2: The costs associated with overdiagnosis and overtreatment. The study reason

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Speaker 2: that quote, one in five women receive a superflorous diagnosis

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Speaker 2: because of screening that they would never have noticed or

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Speaker 2: felt that they had breast can answer during their entire lifetime,

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Speaker 2: which leads to painful overtreatment and higher costs of tests.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the Breast Cancer Action Network is a group

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Speaker 2: based in the US which is entirely premise on providing

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Speaker 2: women with an average chance of breast cancer with facts

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Speaker 2: like this. Consider this graphic that they actually produce. If

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Speaker 2: a group of one thousand and fifty year old women

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Speaker 2: is screened over the next ten years, one hundred will

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Speaker 2: get a false positive, twenty three will get breast cancer,

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Speaker 2: five will die with or without screening, one will die

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Speaker 2: without screening, but five will be diagnosed with cancer that

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Speaker 2: will never be life threatening or require treatment. To be clear,

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Speaker 2: the group and people who are raising awareness about this

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Speaker 2: actually do care a lot though about preventing breast cancer,

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Speaker 2: but instead they want people to focus on what prevention

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01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 2: will actually look like and stop it in the first place.

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Speaker 2: That will be less toxic and more affordable, both for

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Speaker 2: them and for all of us. That's the final and

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Speaker 2: most important point. The average cost of a mamorant in

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Speaker 2: the United States is somewhere around five hundred dollars now

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Speaker 2: considering the biennial recommendation. That's two hundred and fifty dollars

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Speaker 2: a year for women from the age of forty onwards.

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Speaker 2: That is tens of billions of dollars a year paid

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Speaker 2: in fat insurance premiums to the health insurance companies who

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Speaker 2: give it away to the healthcare industry, and none of

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Speaker 2: it makes the difference that they say that it will make.

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Speaker 2: That's the issue with our medical system in a nutshell,

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Speaker 2: we're don't even focus on real prevention, everything ranging from exercise,

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Speaker 2: obese proper diet, a myriad of prevention techniques with other

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Speaker 2: doctors like doctor vannaperside can tell you about reducing all

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Speaker 2: cos mortality all cos mortality on cancer specifically and instead,

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Speaker 2: though we're spending billions on programs supposedly to help but

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Speaker 2: may do mess just as much harm instead. This is

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Speaker 2: a common theme these days. What's so called screening practices

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Speaker 2: recommended by doctors reminds me of colonoscopes. That practice was

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01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:52,759
Speaker 2: recommended to millions of men now for years as massively effective.

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Speaker 5: It didn't really work that well though at all.

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Speaker 2: When it had a goal standard trial, it only reduced

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01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 2: their colon cancer risk by one to fifth below the

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Speaker 2: previous estimates of the test efficacy and quote didn't provide

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Speaker 2: any significant reduction and colon cancer mortality. Modern medicine is

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Speaker 2: premised on the idea that technology has conquered biology. It's

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Speaker 2: what justifies their secret knowledge and their primacy in society.

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01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 2: In some cases that is true, but it's not always true,

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Speaker 2: and this.

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Speaker 3: Case highlights why all the US and all.

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Speaker 2: Of us must take back responsibility for our own health.

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Speaker 2: Doctors and medical associations do not get to make decisions

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Speaker 2: for us.

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Speaker 3: We do.

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Speaker 2: It is on everyone do research, ask questions, because if

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Speaker 2: you don't, we are going to keep getting swindled in

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Speaker 2: the name of keeping us all healthier. What did you

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Speaker 2: make of this, Ryan, It's something that I had never

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Speaker 2: thought about it.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to our interview with Senator jd.

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Speaker 5: Vance.

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Speaker 2: I do want to say this because I believe that

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Speaker 2: this is ethical. I have a previous, prior relationship with

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Speaker 2: Senator Vance. I think that anybody who sees me interviewed

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Speaker 2: and should know that we're personal friends years before he

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Speaker 2: ever ran for the Senate. That being said, I tried

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Speaker 2: my best in this interview, and Ryan Grimm was there

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Speaker 2: to help me be accountable. Let's get to it. Joining

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Speaker 2: us now, our guest, Senator jd Vance of Ohio. It's

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Speaker 2: great to see you, sir. Thanks for joining to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're going to talk about the Railway Safety Act.

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Speaker 2: We're actually going to talk about some policy on television

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Speaker 2: it's a shopping thing that's going to put it up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen. Senator President Trump actually endorsed the bill,

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Speaker 2: he said, Crooked Joe Biden has still not visited the

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Speaker 2: incredible patriots of East Palestine.

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Speaker 3: Our movement will be their voice. We will never forget them.

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Speaker 5: JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance has been working hard in the Senate to make

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Speaker 2: sure something like this never happens again. That's why it's

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Speaker 2: so important for Congress to pass his Railway Safety Act.

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Speaker 3: So JD.

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Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about this bill that has

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Speaker 2: now been uniquely endorsed by President Trump and President Biden.

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Speaker 3: Never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 11: Yes, First of all, it's one of the weird ways

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Speaker 11: in which President Trump has sort of re oriented the

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Speaker 11: Republican Party. It's hard to imagine a Republican president ten

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Speaker 11: years ago coming out and endorsing a legislation like this.

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Speaker 5: But it's pretty simple and straight forward.

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Speaker 11: So Number one, East Palestine had this terrible problem, the

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Speaker 11: terrible train crash and a chemical fire afterwards, and the

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Speaker 11: firefighters had no idea what they were dealing with as

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Speaker 11: they went in to fight the fire. Right changes the

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Speaker 11: notice requirement to change that. The second thing is it

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Speaker 11: enhances the safety and inspection requirement, so hopefully the next

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Speaker 11: East Palestine doesn't happen in the first place. And of

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Speaker 11: course this has caused the railway lobby and the usual

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Speaker 11: suspects in Washington, DC had come.

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Speaker 5: Out against it in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 11: I think it illustrates a broader fight that's happening within

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Speaker 11: the conservative movement right now, which is do we stand

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Speaker 11: up for the people who sent us to Washington, or

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Speaker 11: do we stand up for the special interests who have

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01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:36,600
Speaker 11: dominated conservative politics for so long. I'm very gratified that

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01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 11: we've got a lot of good bipartisan in support. I

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Speaker 11: think we're going to get it out of the Senate

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Speaker 11: and then of course onto the House.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, what I'm interested in is the intra Republican fight.

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Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen. Please.

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Speaker 2: We've got Ted Cruz coming out saying he will not

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Speaker 2: be Oh, he's going to oppose the Bipartisan Railway Safety Act.

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Speaker 2: I know that there was some discussion in markup in

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01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:58,600
Speaker 2: which it called what he was saying ridiculous. Talk and

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Speaker 2: break down a little bit about why what he was

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Speaker 2: saying was ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, Ted CRU's a friend.

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Speaker 11: Right, he's one of the few people that I knew

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Speaker 11: in the Senate before I got to Washington. But I

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Speaker 11: think the fundamental argument here that Ted made is he

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Speaker 11: doesn't like the fact that the bill gives any discretion

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Speaker 11: or any authority to the Biden administration. Right, Well, the

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Speaker 11: Biden administration forces the laws. So I've been saying for

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Speaker 11: the past three months, and a lot of Republicans have

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Speaker 11: been echoing me, the Biden administration needs to do more.

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Speaker 11: So here's a piece of legislation that forces the Biden

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Speaker 11: administration to do more. You can't, on the one hand,

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Speaker 11: say they're not doing enough and on the other hand

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Speaker 11: fight a piece of legislation that forces them to actually

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Speaker 11: take action. There's a deeper problem here, which is if

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Speaker 11: you think that we're going to have to fight back

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Speaker 11: against corporate America, against big tech, against the pharmaceutical industry,

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01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 11: if you think we have to do these things, well,

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Speaker 11: the government's pretty much the only path in town. That

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01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 11: is the representation of the people, That is the entity

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Speaker 11: that has the actual authority and the power to go

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01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:58,759
Speaker 11: after something like a big tech or like the railway industry.

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Speaker 11: So you've got to be willing to use the power

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Speaker 11: that the people gave us under this constitutional system. And

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Speaker 11: I understand people are reactive and look, sometimes, of course

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Speaker 11: the government. Oftentimes the government does things that shouldn't do.

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Speaker 11: Sometimes it fights progressive battles that it shouldn't fight. But

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Speaker 11: if we're going to win the argument, we have to

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Speaker 11: be willing to actually use the levers of power and

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Speaker 11: use what the people gave us.

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Speaker 3: That's what this fight is all about.

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Speaker 4: And I'm wondering about the partisan politics a little bit

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Speaker 4: because about six years ago, Rob Portman, former senator from Ohio,

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Speaker 4: was working with Democrats on an opioid treatment bill, and

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Speaker 4: Democratic leadership really did not want Democrats working with him

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Speaker 4: on this because they didn't.

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Speaker 5: Want him to get a win in an election year.

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Speaker 4: Sure, and I'm wondering if Shared Brown is one of

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Speaker 4: your co sponsors on this bill, he's up for reelection.

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Speaker 4: Have you gotten any pressure from kind of Republican establishment

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Speaker 4: for us as saying what are you doing, You're just

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Speaker 4: going to help You're going to help Democrats get elected here?

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Speaker 5: No, not at all.

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Speaker 11: Actually I've wondered about that, but everybody's pretty much given

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Speaker 11: me the line of look, you have to serve your constituents.

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Speaker 11: This is a very very important issue to the people

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Speaker 11: of Ohio, and so you have to work on it.

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Speaker 11: And so I've gotten no pressure on that front. I mean, look,

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Speaker 11: I'm a Republican Shared and I have worked on this,

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Speaker 11: but I'm gonna endorse Shared's opponent. I'm going to try

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Speaker 11: to work to get that Republican elected. Nobody doubts that.

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Speaker 11: But at the same time, you have to do the

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Speaker 11: business that the people sent you to do. You can't

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01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 11: use parties in politics as an excuse to not do

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Speaker 11: your job every election cycle, because I mean, hell, we're

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Speaker 11: an election cycle pretty much every year in this town.

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Speaker 2: So I have seen some opposition in the House that

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Speaker 2: We've looked a little bit about Troy Neil's and the

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Speaker 2: other committee members, and this is where the bill probably

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Speaker 2: will face most of its opposition from, again inside the

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Speaker 2: Republican Party. Now that President Trump has endorsed that, do

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Speaker 2: you think that will make a difference in the way

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Speaker 2: that you can try and move this bill through.

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Speaker 5: Well, it definitely makes a difference.

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Speaker 11: The question is whether you know, three months down the road,

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Speaker 11: after we've already had the debt ceiling fight and hopefully

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Speaker 11: successfully resolved it.

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Speaker 5: Where are we actually at on railway safety?

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Speaker 11: The one thing I've realized about this town I'm a

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Speaker 11: new guy, right, I've been here for five months, is

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Speaker 11: that it's very important to get things done when the

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Speaker 11: town's energy is focused on a particular issue. We were

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Speaker 11: really focused on East Palestine two months ago.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 11: We're a little focused on East Palestine today. I'm very

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Speaker 11: focused on it, but the town is focused a little

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Speaker 11: bit on it. Where are we at in three months?

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Speaker 11: That to me is going to be the biggest hang up.

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Speaker 11: Trump gave us a lot of momentum. The question is

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Speaker 11: where we actually land in a few months.

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Speaker 4: There will be another kind of union railroad executive contract

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Speaker 4: struggle in a couple of years from now. You just

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Speaker 4: missed right the last vote by a couple couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious, but there was some hint that there might

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Speaker 4: be some Republican support for the youth for the rail workers.

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Speaker 5: Are you sensing any more?

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Speaker 4: Would and would you do you think you would if

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Speaker 4: you were in the Senate at the time, Would you

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Speaker 4: have voted with the with the workers? You think you

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Speaker 4: would in the future if the contract fight comes to

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Speaker 4: the Senate.

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Speaker 11: So one.

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Speaker 5: I would have voted with unions too.

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Speaker 11: To his credit, Ted Cruz, Josh Hall, a few others

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Speaker 11: actually actually aligned with the unions there, which is what

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Speaker 11: was exactly the right thing to do. Look, whether you're

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Speaker 11: you like the unions or you don't like the unions,

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Speaker 11: it is not the job of the US Senate to

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Speaker 11: do a bail out of the rail industry by settling

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Speaker 11: their labor dispute. It is between the union and the

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Speaker 11: rail industry. Let them settle it. And this is one

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Speaker 11: of the arguments I've actually made about this particular bill,

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Speaker 11: is if you're going to as a US Senate, as

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Speaker 11: a US Congress, bail the railways out of their labor disputes,

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Speaker 11: you can't then come to me and cry free market

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Speaker 11: when we try to force those unit or first the railways,

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Speaker 11: to observe some proper safety standards. The other crazy thing

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Speaker 11: about this is I can't think of any industry that

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Speaker 11: has such a socialized risk.

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Speaker 5: Loss business model.

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Speaker 11: If the rail industry crashes a train or sets off

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Speaker 11: a chemical bomb in a place like East Palestine, the

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Speaker 11: taxpayers pick up a huge amount of that tab. If

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Speaker 11: we're going to pick up the tab, we can demand

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Speaker 11: some common sense safety standards.

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Speaker 2: Well, pharma would give them a run for their money.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking here about railway. Here is a bigger question,

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Speaker 2: I think, and kind of gets to the philosophy. You

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Speaker 2: reference the debt ceiling fight and whether we're going to

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Speaker 2: get through it before we walk in here, President Trump

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Speaker 2: actually endorse saying if we don't cut spending and default,

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Speaker 2: how do you, as a Republican who is you know,

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Speaker 2: I would say divorced at least some what from previous

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Speaker 2: conservative orthodoxy? How do you think about the debt ceiling

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Speaker 2: and how do you think about spending?

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Speaker 11: Well, look, I mean, you know, I'm one of the

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Speaker 11: few Republicans who during my campaign, you know, I endorsed

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Speaker 11: critical parts of the social Safety Net. I've endorsed the

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Speaker 11: idea that every American should have healthcare, though I may

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Speaker 11: disagree with Bernie Sanders on how we actually get that done.

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Speaker 11: But we do have a massive problem of way too

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Speaker 11: much money going into the economy, which is inflating the

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Speaker 11: prices of a lot of things, and that's actually emiserating

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Speaker 11: a lot of people at the lower end middle income.

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Speaker 11: So I actually do think that we have to get

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Speaker 11: some control of the federal budget here, and I think, look,

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Speaker 11: Joe Biden doesn't like what McCarthy has done. Okay, I

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Speaker 11: guarantee you the two hundred and seventeen House Republicans who

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Speaker 11: voted for what for McCarthy's package, every single one of

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Speaker 11: them could have picked something that they didn't like about

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Speaker 11: that package, but they at least have advanced a solution here.

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Speaker 5: The thing that really.

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Speaker 11: Bothers me about the President's posture is he sort of

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01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 11: stepped back and say said, my way the highway. Well,

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Speaker 11: you can't do that. You have to negotiate with these guys.

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Speaker 11: I think we have to cut spending. I think we basically.

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Speaker 11: The way that I think about it is twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 11: the federal government spent four point four trillion dollars. Now

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Speaker 11: we're talking about spending six to seven trillion dollars. We

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Speaker 11: can get back to pre COVID spending levels or something

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Speaker 11: like it without causing emisiration of the poor.

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Speaker 5: And that should be the goal.

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Speaker 4: And Biden's response to Kevin McCarthy saying, isn't there anything

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Speaker 4: we can cut was like, hey, look, we can do

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Speaker 4: more on Medicare, prescription drug negotiation. There's corporate tax cuts.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's corporate tax cuts we could roll back.

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Speaker 4: There's tax cuts for the wealthy we could roll back.

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Speaker 5: Where do you come down on that?

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Speaker 11: Well, look, I think everything should be on the table here.

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01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 11: We have to pay the country's debts, and everything should

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Speaker 11: be on the table. Though, I think it's interesting President

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Speaker 11: Trump during the town hall last night, endorsed a negotiating

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Speaker 11: posture which is fundamentally.

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Speaker 5: Rooted in reality.

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Speaker 11: I think the headline is President Trump gives financial advice.

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Speaker 11: He's telling everybody, just go ahead and drive things off

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Speaker 11: the cliff, allow the default. I didn't take that as

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Speaker 11: what he was saying at all. He's talking about the

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01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 11: negotiating posture here. You have to be willing to go

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Speaker 11: right to the end if you're in a game of chicken,

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Speaker 11: and so that was sort of how I took that.

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Speaker 5: But look, I mean, if McCarthy and Biden come.

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Speaker 11: Up with a deal, that is the deal that's going

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01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 11: to work for the American people. The one thing that

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Speaker 11: the Senate is, at least Senate Republicans have been pretty

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01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:15,600
Speaker 11: consistent on is, look, we don't control the system.

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Speaker 5: Right, we are the minority party in the Senate.

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Speaker 11: This fundamentally has to be negotiating negotiation between McCarthy and Biden.

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Speaker 11: The deal they come up with is fundamentally the deal.

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Speaker 11: It's going to pay the country's debts.

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Speaker 2: Final question for me jd. President Trump. The big town Hall.

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Speaker 2: We're spending a bunch of our show on it. There's

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01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 2: a lot of hand ringing in this Washington, in Washington

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01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 2: and New York City today about democracy, all that you've

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01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 2: endorsed President Trump. Anything changed from the town hall, from

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Speaker 2: the Egene Carroll and all of that as to your

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01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:42,520
Speaker 2: posture towards the president.

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Speaker 5: No, nothing has changed.

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Speaker 11: Went on to CNN last night the first time I've

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01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:48,200
Speaker 11: been sing CNN in a while, and gave a full

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Speaker 11: throat at endorsement to the President.

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Speaker 5: I thought he did a very good job.

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Speaker 11: What I really liked last night is that was Trump

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01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:57,520
Speaker 11: and his very best. He was funny. This town is absurd.

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01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:59,560
Speaker 11: A lot of what goes on here is absurd. That

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01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 11: people were sort of pearl clutching and talking about the

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01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 11: end of democracy. They're the ones who are going to

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01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:06,840
Speaker 11: drive this country off a cliff. Because everybody else looks

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01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,559
Speaker 11: at this and says, you know, it's kind of ridiculous.

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01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:10,840
Speaker 5: We should be able to make fun of it.

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Speaker 11: And I think having a little bit of self awareness

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01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 11: and a little bit of humor makes it easier to govern,

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01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:15,759
Speaker 11: not harder.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the audience agreed with you as we

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01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:21,960
Speaker 2: kept saying Republican voters like Trump that particular, that particular

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01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 2: audience liked him. I meant that audience not necessarily hard.

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01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll get some hate, but I do too,

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01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 2: So it is what it is. Thank you so very

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01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 2: much for joining us, sir. We really appreciate your good guys.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Ryan. By the way, I thought you did a great

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01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:36,040
Speaker 3: job in that interview. Thank you.

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01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

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01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:39,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just want to say go ahead.

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01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 4: No, we were talking just before that. I wasn't sure

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01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 4: if he would remember it or not. And like when

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01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 4: whenever he was he had finished up, he'll be you.

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01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 4: He had come to the Huffing and Post to promote it. Yeah,

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01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:51,600
Speaker 4: and Ariane.

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01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 5: Was like, you need to pocket your j D. Bat

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01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:54,880
Speaker 5: He's such a wanderful young man.

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01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 4: And we had a long phone call where I gave

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01:51:56,680 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 4: him tips on how to promote the book really worked

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01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 4: out for them, and then it was like six months later,

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Speaker 4: the things like the National Best Son, like well, obviously those.

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Speaker 2: Tips worked right, Yeah, exactly, It's all right, Grim. That's

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Speaker 2: why our Deity Advance is in the Senate. I want

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01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:11,680
Speaker 2: to say thank you man for sitting in. You and

2550
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:13,760
Speaker 2: Emily are such a fantastic addition to the team. You

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01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:14,720
Speaker 2: guys do a really great job.

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Speaker 4: It's a great show with you. How was the How

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Speaker 4: was the right wing show?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 5: We loved it.

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Speaker 3: Well I wasn't right wing. I'm the liberal.

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01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:24,479
Speaker 2: According to my MAGA critics, I am the liberal here

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01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 2: on the show. You can never please these people, which

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01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 2: is why you shouldn't even try anyway. Look, thank you

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Speaker 2: everybody who helps support the show helps you know, it

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Speaker 3: That we do. We're building this new studio. We had

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Speaker 3: Centaert de Vance here.

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Speaker 2: I look at that CNN town hall and I look

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Speaker 2: at something that I don't want that to be only

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Speaker 2: in the domain of cable. That's got to be in

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Speaker 2: We have RFK Junior, hopefully right here in the studio

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Speaker 2: at the desk that we'll be able to question him

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Speaker 2: challenging way if possible.

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Speaker 5: We should pack it with RFK junior fans. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: We should have only o RFK junior fans here. But

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Speaker 2: my point is is that there's no reason why they

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