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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 1: My name is Chandler Rome with Josh Reddick, Tyler Stafford, who.

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Speaker 2: Knows where he is. He's got no voice.

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Speaker 3: You guys. You guys have already gotten a so just

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Speaker 3: know mine is coming.

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Speaker 1: We've we've both been put on the I L with

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Speaker 1: some form of discomfort from from the Astros training staff.

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Speaker 2: Tyler has no voice.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's from yelling at Buzz Williams's

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Speaker 1: plane as it left College Station for Maryland. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's from cheering because the Astros got five

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Speaker 1: extra base hits yesterday against the Minnesota Twins, equaling their

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Speaker 1: amount from the first six games of the season. At

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Speaker 1: some point, Tyler will be back, but Josh and I

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Speaker 1: will hold it down today. Josh, we haven't had you

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Speaker 1: do what? Oh, yeah, of course we do. Josh, we

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Speaker 1: haven't had you on since the season started. So I guess,

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Speaker 1: first of all, let's get your overall thoughts on seven

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Speaker 1: games in the ashers are three and four picked up. Look,

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Speaker 1: there are no must wins in April. There are no

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Speaker 1: like unbelievably great wins in April. But it had to

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Speaker 1: feel good for them to pick up that win yesterday

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Speaker 1: and the Twins home opener at Target Field kind of

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Speaker 1: stop a three game skid. They're three and four, They're

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Speaker 1: pitching unbelievably well. They are hitting unbelievably poorly. Is that

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Speaker 1: to be expected this early in the season. What have

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Speaker 1: you taken away from the first seven games the Ashes played.

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Speaker 4: I mean, let's let's just get let's just say what

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Speaker 4: it is. It's the first seven games of the season.

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Speaker 4: Let's not put this under a big magnifying glass and panic.

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Speaker 4: I see a lot of panic on social media. Look,

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Speaker 4: guys were and they're three and four. Yeah, they're not hitting,

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Speaker 4: They're pitching great. There's positives all around this ball club

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Speaker 4: right now. What these starters and these relievers are doing

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Speaker 4: for them is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Bats are going to turn around. We know that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: Who cares, let it go the first week's over hit

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Speaker 4: three set button. But yeah, yesterday's win had to be

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Speaker 4: good for those guys, except for one guy well, which

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Speaker 4: we'll get too later, I'm sure, but to get you know,

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Speaker 4: I think the extra base hits is a positive sign

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Speaker 4: considering how awful they were at home with you know,

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Speaker 4: extra base.

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Speaker 3: Hits, runners in the scoring position, just like you know.

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Speaker 3: It seems like an echo from last year, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: Runners in scoring position was an issue for these guys

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Speaker 4: last year, and that's something they have to be better

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Speaker 4: at this year. Just score more runs so they get

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Speaker 4: the win. Get a little off day today, we'll stay hot,

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Speaker 4: stay warm, and get back out there tomorrow. So they've

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Speaker 4: hit that reset button. Let's move forward and that first

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Speaker 4: week is behind us.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned some echoes from last year, and I

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Speaker 1: think you know, when you start reading comments, when you

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Speaker 1: start reading fans are asking for something. You know, the

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Speaker 1: first thing I think a lot of them are talking

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Speaker 1: about is this team doesn't hit a home it is

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Speaker 1: it has been hard for them to hit at Minute

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Speaker 1: Made Park the last few years. They did not hit

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Speaker 1: park to start this season. Josh as someone that has

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Speaker 1: hit there a lot, And you know, we've had discussions

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Speaker 1: about the batter's eye. They have changed the batter's eye.

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Speaker 1: They have darkened the batatters ie in center field. They've

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Speaker 1: extended it into that row of Budweiser seats. They've painted

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Speaker 1: to make it the batters. I extend further is dyke

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Speaker 1: In Park a hard ballpark to hit in. I mean

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Speaker 1: it should be hit or friendly given the short porches,

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Speaker 1: but it's that easy park to hit them.

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Speaker 4: I always thought it was a great ballpark to hit

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Speaker 4: him before, you know, before the new hitters.

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Speaker 3: I always think I'll go back to Tals Hill.

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Speaker 4: I always saw the baseball fantastic there at that ballpark.

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Speaker 4: I didn't get to experience the darker hitters eye that

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Speaker 4: they have now, but I always saw the ball great,

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Speaker 4: whether it was lefty or righty. Obviously, I can't speak

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Speaker 4: know how the angles play out for that. But you know,

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Speaker 4: from all the games I played there, I thought it

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Speaker 4: was a great ballpark. Ball flies true. You know, you

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Speaker 4: get to go to sleep and wake up every day

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Speaker 4: knowing you're going to play because you have a roof

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Speaker 4: and that you know that changes a lot of things,

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Speaker 4: so you know, mindset. So it was always good to

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Speaker 4: Like I said, the ball fly as well from pole

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, look, I think there's many different

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Speaker 1: reasons this thing or the for the offensive start. I

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Speaker 1: think fans are looking for like one thing to blame.

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Speaker 1: They're looking for, Oh, it's the ballpark, it's the batter's eye,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, the new guys that aren't prettuced like

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Speaker 1: this is all the hitting coat.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, if I got.

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Speaker 4: I've read so much on Snitt and Centron so much.

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Speaker 4: It's like, guys, I'm speaking from a player's perspective.

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Speaker 3: Guys, if you're.

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Speaker 4: Listening, if you're watching, the hitting coaches can only do

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Speaker 4: so much. They're not the ones going to the plate

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Speaker 4: with the bat in their hands. Let's just remember that.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I'll give Troy Snicker and Alex Centro

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Speaker 1: on credit. I mean, Brendan Rodgers talked yesterday about how

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Speaker 1: Brendan Rodgers have got three hits in the ash, three

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Speaker 1: Twins talked yesterday about how they've been working with him

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Speaker 1: to elevate the ball more, and he went into a

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Speaker 1: lot of different details of what they've taught him to

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Speaker 1: widen the base of his batting stance. He had his

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Speaker 1: launch the barrel and elevate the ball more. That, Josh,

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff hitting coaches they can only

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Speaker 1: you should here's what we think would help you elevate

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Speaker 1: it's up to Brendan Rodgers or whichever hitter we're talking about,

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Speaker 2: And bren did that yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Look, I mean, when you're talking about hitting coaches, I've

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Speaker 4: always said there's two parts to a hitting coach, and

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Speaker 4: it sounds it comes off a little funny, because the

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Speaker 4: thing that hitting coaches do is their job is to

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Speaker 4: get you the most prepared they can before first pitch.

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Speaker 3: They do everything they can to get you prepared with

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Speaker 3: her it's flips.

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Speaker 4: Video analysis, anything like that, and then from then on

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Speaker 4: their job. It had always made fun because Chili Davis

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Speaker 3: So their job is to get you prepared and then

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Speaker 4: Confident enough to go into that batter's box with your

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Speaker 3: So that was how I always looked at it.

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Speaker 4: And these guys have done a fantastic job for the

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Speaker 4: years they've been there. I didn't hear anybody complaining when

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Speaker 4: they took them back to back World Series, I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you that. And now that they're not hitting for the

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Speaker 4: last two years with guys on and stuff like that,

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Speaker 4: we're going to bash these guys.

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Speaker 3: We got to get off that. We gotta get off

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Speaker 1: And let's face it to Josh, you know this, Like

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Speaker 1: think this is any breaking news, but Alex Bregman when

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Speaker 1: that would have feeld passes every game. And this is

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Speaker 1: not to say that Alex Bregman didn't listen to Centrone

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Speaker 1: So to just to just crystallize it to we've got

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Speaker 1: to get rid of the hitting coaches. The hitting coaches

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Speaker 1: are the problem, guys. This is not football. I understand

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Speaker 1: the Texans fired their offensive coordinator after they didn't perform

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Speaker 1: this is not football. You don't make coaching changes like that.

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Speaker 1: And also, like you mentioned something like there's a reason

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Speaker 1: Troy Snicker and Alex Centron have been in the Ashers

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Speaker 1: They worked very they worked very well together. It would

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Speaker 3: They are.

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Speaker 2: They're very secure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people, I mean, people will realize how hard it

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Speaker 4: is to get that connection relationship with your coaching staff

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Speaker 4: and that's huge when you can go to a guy

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Speaker 4: I remember playing and you know Snit would go out

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Speaker 3: It would happen.

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Speaker 4: But you know, when you go back to the personal guys,

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Speaker 4: you know, I would be willing to bet that every

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Speaker 4: whether they come to town or not. I'm speaking from experience.

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Speaker 4: My high school coach, he and I are still close

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Speaker 4: friends of this day. I could call him after games

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Speaker 3: I could call my dad.

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Speaker 4: You know, these guys are just guys that want They

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Speaker 4: know your swing. They know your swing more than anybody.

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Speaker 4: They've seen it for longer than anybody than you're hitting.

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Speaker 4: Coaches have, so to have that many guys to figure

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Speaker 4: out something that's going on. You want that in your corner,

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Speaker 4: and they're like I said, when when guys like that

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Speaker 4: have better ways of understanding how to help you get

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Speaker 3: And so you bash those guys that have.

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Speaker 1: That right right, And there's been a lot of discussion

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Speaker 1: abo how they can they can help their approach and

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Speaker 1: thinks the guys, like if you've watched the first seven

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Speaker 1: games of the season, like the get back do look

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Speaker 1: different than anything we saw from this lineup last year.

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Speaker 1: They're seeing as of this moment, they're seeing three point

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Speaker 1: nine to one pitches per plate appearance, which is right

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Speaker 1: at league average. They saw three point five pitches per

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Speaker 1: You're seeing them see more pitches. Yeah, bats look more

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Speaker 1: competitive now. The one thing, Josh, that has been a

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Speaker 1: And I thought it was interesting to hear Brendan Rogers specifically.

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Speaker 1: Everyone can you know, it's everyone's been waiting for baseball

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Speaker 1: Web the next day. It's not like this guy's perennially

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Speaker 1: getting cy Young votes and is the ace of the

439
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Speaker 1: staff like they should have known, like elevate the ball

440
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Speaker 1: on a sinkerballer, like they should have known to keep

441
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Speaker 1: the ball in the air. Like that's that's on the

442
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Speaker 1: hitting coaches right on hundred percent on those guys.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's it's it's so easy to hit

444
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Speaker 4: hit ninety eight, even when it's straight.

445
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Speaker 3: And then you add, you know, fourteen inches of horizontal movement.

446
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Speaker 4: You know, it's just easy to make that adjustment when

447
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Speaker 4: you've got point oh six seconds to react.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, you know what everyone thinks could help I

449
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Speaker 1: guess is these torpedo bats. And yeah, we have not

450
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Speaker 1: we have not talked to you since the advent or,

451
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Speaker 1: since the Yankees. They did not debut the torpedo bats,

452
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Speaker 1: but since the Yankees made this thing such a mainstream

453
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Speaker 1: talking point. An update from the Astros perspective, Joe A

454
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Speaker 1: Spot has said this week that he does think that

455
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Speaker 1: a shipment of them are going to be coming, and

456
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Speaker 1: he thinks some guys will test them out. Whether that's

457
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Speaker 1: and BP, whether that's in a game, that's still to

458
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Speaker 1: be decided. But I think that was kind of expected.

459
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Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be every clubhouse in the big

460
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Speaker 1: leagues is gonna get some of these, and they're gonna

461
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Speaker 1: try them out. It's been funny, Josh, to see how

462
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Speaker 1: much MLB has started to lean in and market this.

463
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Speaker 1: Like you're looking on their official account, you're looking on

464
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Speaker 1: their official website. They're having stories about the torpedo bats.

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Speaker 1: They having stories about what they do. Like, it's pretty

466
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Speaker 1: clear that MLB is behind this. So any Astros fan

467
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Speaker 1: that was thinking this is nefarious activity by the Yankees,

468
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Speaker 1: that they were trying to gain the system, I'm here

469
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Speaker 1: to tell you that's not true. MLB would not be

470
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Speaker 1: leaning into it so hard if that were the case. So, Josh,

471
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Speaker 1: as you look at these bats, they move the weight

472
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Speaker 1: down from the from the barrel to move it down.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about it before the podcast and talking

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Speaker 1: to some players. It seems like the most the guys

475
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Speaker 1: that could benefit the most from this. Are guys that

476
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Speaker 1: get jammed a lot, are guys that mishit balls, guys

477
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Speaker 1: that don't get the ball on the barrel a bunch.

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Speaker 1: Do you think And again, I'm not saying if the

479
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Speaker 1: Ashers start using torpedo bats, they're going to the offense

480
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Speaker 1: is going to turn around. But no, do you think

481
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Speaker 1: these could be helpful? And what do you think just

482
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Speaker 1: in total about the design of these bats and what

483
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Speaker 1: they're intended to do.

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Speaker 4: I think there's no downfall to using one. If you're

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Speaker 4: comfortable with it, go for it. Because even if you're

486
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Speaker 4: not a guy that gets jammed a lot, you're gonna

487
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Speaker 4: get jammed over the over the course of the season,

488
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Speaker 4: plenty of times you're going to swing and miss at

489
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Speaker 4: something that you know, you feel like you shouldn't have.

490
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Speaker 4: So I think that making that adjustment for the barrel

491
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Speaker 4: could definitely benefit you. I'm not saying it's going to

492
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Speaker 4: turn your career around and make you a Hall of

493
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Speaker 4: Famer or an All or perennurial All Star, but it's

494
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Speaker 4: definitely going to bring some positive movements to your bats.

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Speaker 3: It's going to help you foul off pitches.

496
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Speaker 4: You know, it's going to help you get to that

497
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Speaker 4: sinker inside that's you know, a little high.

498
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Speaker 3: It's going to help you just you know, maybe give

499
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Speaker 3: you that dying.

500
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Speaker 4: Pigeon that flies over second base, or give you that

501
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 4: little extra pop that we've seen some you know, some

502
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Speaker 4: smaller guys benefit from by getting a little bit more

503
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Speaker 4: juice on that on that perspective, and I love the

504
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Speaker 4: outbreak that this bat is getting because everybody that is

505
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Speaker 4: talking about it makes it seem like this bats are illegal,

506
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Speaker 4: and they're one hundred percent within the parameters of being

507
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Speaker 4: legal in baseball. So I think everybody's just mad that,

508
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Speaker 4: you know, it's the Yankees that came out first.

509
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Speaker 3: And you know, guys, I'm with you. I don't like

510
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Speaker 3: the Yankees just as much as you do.

511
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Speaker 4: But we can't bass these guys because they're performing because

512
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Speaker 4: of it. You know, you can't be mad at them

513
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Speaker 4: because they're using something that's one hundred percent legal and

514
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Speaker 4: seeing benefits from that when everybody has that option and

515
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Speaker 4: has always had that option, Because like you and I said,

516
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Speaker 4: this is not the first time the torpedo bat has

517
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Speaker 4: been introduced to the baseball world. It's just something that's

518
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Speaker 4: been more focused on by more.

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Speaker 1: People I'm curious from your perspective, you know, because of this,

520
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Speaker 1: because of the torpedo bats, we are getting a lot

521
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Speaker 1: more insight into bat design and just this type of

522
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Speaker 1: bats players like to use. Like I guess if you

523
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Speaker 1: could speak from a player's perspective to how how meticulous

524
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Speaker 1: and how picky I guess certain plays are about the

525
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Speaker 1: size of their bats, about where they get them, the manufacture,

526
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Speaker 1: What kind of bats did you like to use, and

527
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Speaker 1: would you have even considered, I guess, making such a

528
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Speaker 1: drastic change in season to going to a torpedo bat

529
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Speaker 1: or something like this.

530
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Speaker 3: So for me, I was always a big barrel guy anyway.

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Speaker 4: Old Hickory was my company, val had them since two

532
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Speaker 4: thousand and eight, my second year professional ball, and I'd

533
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Speaker 4: always always loved their bats. And like I said, I

534
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Speaker 4: used a big barrel bat anyway. So my barrel wasn't

535
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Speaker 4: big in the hands, but it was very extensive, from

536
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Speaker 4: probably two or three inches past the logo all the

537
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Speaker 4: way to the tip.

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Speaker 3: It was just a big barrel. It was called a Oh.

539
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Speaker 4: Gosh, j L eighteen, which was Javier Lopez's bat model

540
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Speaker 4: from the nineties.

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Speaker 3: That Old Hickory had put in. So that was my my,

542
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Speaker 3: so to speak.

543
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Speaker 4: But if you're talking about guys and specifics on bats,

544
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Speaker 4: I know a lot of guys that are very picky

545
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Speaker 4: about not switching, not switching.

546
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Speaker 3: Anything about it. You know. For me, I rarely even

547
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Speaker 3: switched to my colors of my bat because that was

548
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Speaker 3: so superstititiones.

549
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Speaker 4: It was always either all black or half and half,

550
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Speaker 4: like I couldn't do any other color.

551
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Speaker 3: I just thought it looked weird. So I was very

552
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Speaker 3: picky about mine.

553
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Speaker 4: Plenty of guys have been that way, But then again,

554
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Speaker 4: there's always guys.

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Speaker 3: Like you know.

556
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Speaker 4: I remember early on when I signed with the Houston

557
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Speaker 4: the first if al Tuovay was like on a zero

558
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Speaker 4: for ten stretch, he'd just go grab a random bat

559
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Speaker 4: out of the back, whether it was his or not,

560
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Speaker 4: and go out there and get a knock with it.

561
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Speaker 4: So that that was just a crazy thing when guys

562
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Speaker 4: like that would happen. But I'm sure there's probably a

563
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Speaker 4: lot more guys in the league that would probably not

564
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Speaker 4: want to switch and change it because you just never

565
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Speaker 4: know if it's going to change your swing or not.

566
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Speaker 4: But when you talk about weight distribution and barrel link,

567
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Speaker 4: like for me from my perspective. As always, my weight

568
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Speaker 4: distribution was always in the middle.

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Speaker 3: Of the bat anyway.

570
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Speaker 4: I never had the top heavy bats. Hated top heavy bats.

571
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Speaker 4: I felt like they made the bat drag and be longer.

572
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Speaker 3: To the zone, and so I always put mine in

573
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Speaker 3: the middle anyway.

574
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Speaker 4: So even if I wanted to switch to that torpedo style,

575
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Speaker 4: it probably wouldn't have made that big of a difference

576
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Speaker 4: for me per se.

577
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Speaker 3: But you just never know what guys are feel comfortable with.

578
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Speaker 4: And you know, like you said, it could say it

579
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 4: could change your sweep path and that could be a

580
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Speaker 4: complete disaster.

581
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Speaker 3: But you know, for me, I think when you're looking

582
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Speaker 3: at it.

583
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Speaker 4: There's there's there's no negative downside to switching to it

584
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Speaker 4: if you're comfortable with it.

585
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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's why I think if and when the Astros

586
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Speaker 1: get their shipment in, you may see guys like testing

587
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Speaker 1: it in the cage testing it. I don't think this

588
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Speaker 1: is something you take straight out to the game, because,

589
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Speaker 1: let's face it, like the Yankees didn't just go into

590
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Speaker 1: their opening series against the Brewers and think, hey, like,

591
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Speaker 1: let's try torpedo bats on opening weekend. Like no, like

592
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Speaker 1: they have they have been working with these in spring training.

593
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Speaker 1: It just so happened that it got run because these

594
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Speaker 1: games now mean something. They're all on television, and Jazz

595
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Speaker 1: Chisholm's torpedo bat was exaggerated. The design of it just

596
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: looked so funky that it caught everyone's attention. But you know,

597
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Speaker 1: talking to one I'm not gonna name him, but talking

598
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Speaker 1: to one player specifically in the Asher's clubhouse, they said that,

599
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Speaker 1: I mean, these have been in use for a while.

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Speaker 1: They just again, they were not as exaggerated as Jazz

601
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Speaker 1: Chisholms as some of those on the Yankees. Where you

602
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: looked at him, it looked like a bowling pin.

603
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Speaker 3: Did it look remember those vortex bats from the nineties. Yes,

604
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Speaker 3: that's what That's what his pick, his.

605
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Speaker 4: First picture of his look like. And it was funny

606
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Speaker 4: reading all the memes about it. But yeah, when I mean, yeah,

607
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Speaker 4: when when you're exaggerated that much, and I think it

608
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Speaker 4: goes back to being the Yankees. Yeah, I think plays

609
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Speaker 4: a big part of it. You know, Jazz has always

610
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Speaker 4: been an outspoken guy. He's always going to speak his mind,

611
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Speaker 4: which you know, I think is great because all these

612
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Speaker 4: guys are on him on social media and he's just

613
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Speaker 4: calling them out and calling them idiots, which is great

614
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Speaker 4: because that'd be something that I would love to do.

615
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it's just I think it's just

616
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Speaker 4: more magnified because of that. And like you said, yet,

617
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Speaker 4: we don't even know what these guys are doing in

618
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Speaker 4: spring train. They could have been taking badning practice with

619
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Speaker 4: it every day and we would have ever known. And

620
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Speaker 4: now that it's incorporated in games that matter, and now

621
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Speaker 4: that they're televised and naturally covered, it gets more and

622
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Speaker 4: more notoriety, and it's it's just ridiculous how much it's

623
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Speaker 4: really asinine, how ridiculous it's really turned into.

624
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do think you know, the Diamondbacks going

625
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: into the Bronx and Corbyn Burns pitching, well, Zach Gallon

626
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Speaker 1: carved the Yankees up the other day like torpedo.

627
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Speaker 2: Again, they're not this cure all.

628
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Speaker 1: Like, like they couldn't hit, they couldn't hit good pitching

629
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Speaker 1: from Zach Gallon, they couldn't hit Corbyn Burns.

630
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 2: Like, it's not like these things.

631
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Speaker 1: If you get them, the Ashers all of a sudden

632
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: starts slugging six hundred as a team, like it's a

633
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: placebo effect to some extent, and then to another extent,

634
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: it's early in the season. The sample sizes are small,

635
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of you know, media and people

636
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: out there just looking for storylines, just looking for things

637
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: to write until the sample size gets to a point

638
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: where you can have you can start writing trends stories,

639
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: because right now, writing trends or you know, writing anyone

640
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: off calling anyone a bust or calling anyone on a.

641
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: Breakthrough, it's it's too early. It's seven games.

642
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: So everyone's kind of in that weird middle ground now

643
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: of trying to find things to write about. And torpedo

644
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 1: bets are are getting for I mean, if you want

645
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: me to be completely honest, torpedo bats are getting clicks.

646
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: And everybody that's what that's what we want.

647
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: Everybody needs clicks.

648
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 3: So your guy, that's what you want. You want the stories.

649
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, again, won't be surprised if you

650
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: start seeing the ash incorporate it a little bit into BP.

651
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: I did find it interesting, and I'm sure you saw

652
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: the comments Aaron Judge made. Aaron Judge was asked if

653
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: he uses the torpedo bats and he said, I'll let

654
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 1: He said no, and I'll let The last three years

655
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Speaker 1: of my track record speak for itself. So I mean

656
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: there could be guy like Jordan Alvarez, does his track record,

657
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: his track record speaks for itself. Do you think he

658
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: needs to switch to a torpedo bat?

659
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: Like?

660
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 2: Probably not, like I do.

661
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: Think Again, this is just my very very opinion reading

662
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: between the lines. I think this will be more for

663
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: guys that you know, maybe don't have the established track records.

664
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: You know, have have scuffled a little bit. I've been

665
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: trying to find and search for their offensive continuity. I

666
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: think you'll see those guys take the torpedo bets. And

667
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: maybe not some of these established guys that again are

668
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 1: set in their ways, have swung the same model of

669
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: that for eight to ten years in the big leagues.

670
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: Like it's such a superstitious and such a ritualistic sport

671
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: that just making that big of a change I just

672
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: don't think would work for veteran guys.

673
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 3: No.

674
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 4: No, I think guys that have always been so successful

675
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 4: are not going to even look the way of a

676
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: torpedo bat. I think these I think the bats benefit

677
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 4: the guys most who don't have that extra thump behind

678
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 4: their swing. I think it benefits those guys maybe get

679
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 4: the balls into the gap little more, give them a

680
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 4: little bit more.

681
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: Extra extra slugging percentage in their stats.

682
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 4: I think those are their excuse me, those are the

683
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 4: guys that are going to benefit the most from it

684
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 4: because they're not guys that are known for driving the

685
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 4: ball out of the ballpark. The guys that you know,

686
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: the judges now two V's, the Jordon's, you know, the Schwarbers.

687
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: Those guys don't need that.

688
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 4: They're not worried about changing anything, and they're in their

689
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: swing or their bats.

690
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: We've talked now for almost thirty minutes about bats and

691
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: lineups and offense, when it's been the pitching that has

692
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: the Astros where they're at. If if not for their pitching,

693
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: you kind of have to wonder where they'd be. They're

694
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: three and four right now solely on the back of

695
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: their pitching staff, and they've got a three one four

696
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: ERA across the first seven games, but the number that

697
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: sticks out their whip is an even one. So they're

698
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: allowing basically one base runner per inning, which is very

699
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: very good. You know, we could pick a lot of

700
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: different people to talk about on this staff that have

701
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: pitched well, that have really you know, Josh Hater has

702
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: after the rocky start that he had last he's come

703
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: in and not locked down. Three saves, two of which

704
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: had some had some heart palpitations induced. But you know,

705
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: yesterday in Minnesota was a clean inning, got through it

706
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: no problem. The guy I want to talk about Josh

707
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: And look, I knew we kind of all expected that

708
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: that he was going to come out strong. But Hunter Brown,

709
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: he is a dude, man.

710
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 4: He is a He is a stopping, stopping force on

711
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: that mount he is.

712
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's I think we all knew after

713
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: the last four months of last year, like he was

714
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: going to come in and he was a trendy cy

715
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: young pick. He was kind of that guy that's kind

716
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: of waiting the wings to become that ace. And look,

717
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: he's given up runs his first two starts, like Wan

718
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: Soto hit a perfectly placed cutter for an opposite field

719
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: home er off of him.

720
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: Yesterday, got gave.

721
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: Up a triple to dart the game and then had

722
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: some bad luck Byron Buckston had an infield hit, you know,

723
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: just some some bad batted ballock. Then he settled in

724
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: and retired fifteen in the last sixteen he faced. He's

725
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: sitting ninety eight. The change up is nasty. He's throwing

726
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: that cutter. I'm almost ready to say this this he

727
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 1: has some of the most electric stuff, not only on

728
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: this staff but in the sport. And I think as

729
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: this season goes on, Josh like the entire industry is

730
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: going to see that this this kid is the next

731
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: maybe Butting Ace that the Astros have up their sleeve.

732
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: He has been despite the era, what the era looks like,

733
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: he has been electric in his first two.

734
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: Seas so without without doubt.

735
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 4: When you when you go back to last year and

736
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 4: you can go there, I think it was gosh was

737
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: it early to mid May when he came.

738
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: Out of the bullpen in Detroit.

739
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 4: He has just been a completely different guy since that day.

740
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: He has been you know, everybody compared him to the

741
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 4: JV Squayer. He was always going to be the next

742
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 4: Justin Berlander, and yes, that potential is there, but what he's.

743
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: Been doing since then has just and unbelieving.

744
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 4: Like you said, I like the Ace comparison you got,

745
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 4: you know fromber Who's your your Ace throughout the rest

746
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 4: of his a Astro's tenure, whether it be now you know,

747
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: this year extension, but if you don't feel like if

748
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 4: you don't feel like you're gonna get from you're feeling

749
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 4: pretty good with this guy sitting there right next right

750
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 4: behind him, ready to take that number.

751
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 3: One roll over and carry this team.

752
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 4: And the biggest thing, like you talk about, he's had

753
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 4: some unfortunate luck, but he has been locked down when

754
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: he needs to be.

755
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: He is.

756
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: You know, he stopped him steam on a three at

757
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: three game skid. Came comes out there and puts the

758
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: brakes in a three game skid. But when when you

759
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 4: talk about aces and guys that can really help your

760
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 4: team and they become stoppers, they stop those losing streaks,

761
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: get you back on that win train. And this kid,

762
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 4: he does that every fifth day. He's out there making

763
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: that happen for these guys. He's keeping your lineup in

764
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: the game for when they're ready to figure it out

765
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: and score some runs for him. So he's not getting

766
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 4: discouraged by that, the low run support, he's not getting

767
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: upset by that.

768
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: He's just going out there doing his job. And that's

769
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: the guy that you want at the top of your irritation.

770
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: I think Joe Spotty even mentioned yesterday, you know, if

771
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: you water Brown the beginning of last year. He had

772
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: some of those similar characteristics to his first month last year,

773
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: where he got hit around a lot first month last year,

774
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: but a lot of those outings began with like an

775
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: infield hit or like a broken bat blooper that fell

776
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: in a no man's land in the outfield.

777
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: It was just bad luck.

778
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: And Hunter just wasn't in a position mentally or in

779
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: his maturation process to be able to let that go,

780
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: to be able to say, you know what, like okay,

781
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: Like he hit it forty five off the bat and

782
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: it had a point zero nine to zero XBA, but

783
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: it fell in like okay, Like I can't control that.

784
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: Let's go focus on the next hitter. He just didn't

785
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: have that wherewithal yet. And I think he's earned that

786
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: now he's got that, you see it, Like he didn't

787
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: he didn't get down in the Mets series when when

788
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: Juan Soto homered off of him yesterday and he's won

789
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: soda exactly yesterday in Minneapolis, Like he could have very

790
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: easily gotten down in that first inning when he gives

791
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: up to you know, there was one hard hit ball

792
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: it was to It was to Matt Wallner on that

793
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: triple off the wall and right field. He could have

794
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: easily gotten down two nothing. The way this lineup has

795
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: not been producing, you kind of think two runs feels

796
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: like nine or ten.

797
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: He bare down.

798
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: He carved up what is on paper supposed to be

799
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good lineup for the Twins. I mean, they

800
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: have two one ones Byron Buxton and Carlos Carrea. Like,

801
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: they've got guys in that lineup that can make you

802
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: pay if you if you have damage, and he just

803
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: toyed with them yesterday like he is. I think they

804
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: have to feel very very good about the one to

805
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: two in their rotation with from ber Valdez and Hunter Brown.

806
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 1: There there are not many teams in baseball that are

807
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: going to have a better one two than those two guys.

808
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: No, not at all.

809
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 4: I think the one thing and one of the things

810
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: that stands out to me about Hunter is when you

811
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 4: look at his early last year, he was always kind

812
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 4: of I can't remem if it was glove side or armside.

813
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: He kind of focused on one side of the plate

814
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: every time. And then I think once he turned things around,

815
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 4: he developed the cutter, started using the cutter more and

816
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 4: the two steamer. I think the running two steamer that

817
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 4: he throws was his big beneficial because he could backdoor

818
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: to Arriety's hip with the lefties and then jam right

819
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 4: is and run it away. So I think his usage

820
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 4: of just those two pitches, on top of being able

821
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 4: to throw one hundred and throw, you know, a really

822
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: good change up and a pretty good curveball, So it's

823
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 4: it's adding depth and perception for him. And I think

824
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: that's one thing that he kind of needed to learn

825
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: last year because last year was all these all right,

826
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get to the two strikes and I'm gonna

827
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 4: try to elevate my heater. It gets you to chase

828
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: my curveball, and I think hitters kind of realize that,

829
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 4: and we'd either pick one to hit on, because you know,

830
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 4: when you got two options, it's a lot easily hit

831
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 4: when you got four or five options to try to hit.

832
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 4: So him being smarter and not being discouraged also has

833
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 4: made him better because he's learned how to utilize those

834
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 4: two pitches. And I think the cutter has been one

835
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: of his biggest pitches, and it's really the one that

836
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 4: kind of goes unnoticed and one that he doesn't really use.

837
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 4: The most so it's it's one of those pitches that, hey,

838
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: this is still a very good plus plus pitch for

839
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 4: me to have in my very back pocket.

840
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem with him last year, and he's been

841
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: open about saying this, like hitters are just diving to

842
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: the outer half because like that, he had nothing that

843
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: they could respect on the inner half. So it was

844
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean when they got two strikes, they were just

845
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: sitting on anything. They would spit on anything that came

846
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: inside because they knew it was going to miss. Because

847
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: if he was throwing inside, it was a misfire.

848
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 4: Because it and it makes Naney a lot easier to

849
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: hit when you're.

850
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: Doing that right, So he had to get and again

851
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: everyone has pointed to the sinker, and it is true

852
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: that that pitch turned his season around last year, probably

853
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: his career. But the sinker is not a good pitch,

854
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: like if you look at it metrically, if you look

855
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: at how it grades with other sinkers in baseball, Like

856
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: Josh Miller, the pitching coach has been opened and saying

857
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: this and Hunter too, like it does not grade out

858
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: as a good pitch, but it's a it gives him

859
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: an it's it's got the high velocity, and it gives

860
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: him enough of a presence on the inner half that

861
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: hitters have to respect it.

862
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: They have to respect his whole repertoire.

863
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 4: His repertoire becomes that much better because of it, because

864
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: it's still in the back of your head as a hitter. Yeah,

865
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: it's not great, but like you said, it's got the velocity,

866
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: it's got that movement, and when you're throwing it from

867
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: the same arm plane and then you throw out that cutter,

868
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 4: it changes everything. So it doesn't have to be a

869
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 4: plus plush pitch to make you as that picture and

870
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 4: make your rip retarbetter because of you know, an average

871
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 4: slinker can make a great cutter phenomenal or a good

872
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: card ball phenomenal. So it just it does. Like I said,

873
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 4: it just doesn't have to be great, but as long

874
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 4: as it makes.

875
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: You great one, I guess we have to.

876
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: We're required by law to mention Cam Smith any crushed episode.

877
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: You know, Cam has I think we all expected. We

878
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: did not expect him to hit four homers in the

879
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: first home stand. We did not expect him to get

880
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: off to this unbelievable start. It's been a little bit

881
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: of a struggle for camp Smith as I think everyone

882
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: would have envisioned for a twenty two year old that's

883
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: got one hundred and thirty professional plate appearances. Uh, he's

884
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: two for fourteen with six strike scouts. Joe Spot here,

885
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: I believe he started five of the first seven games

886
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: he got it. He got two days off on the

887
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: homestand because Joe spot won to get Zach Dezenzo in there,

888
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: the bats have looked okay, he doesn't look overmatched. But Josh,

889
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm curious to get your thoughts on this. You know,

890
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: every coming out of spring training, all we talked about

891
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: was his plate discipline, about how he saw everything early

892
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: out of hand, about how it was good to see

893
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: him controlling at bats, not swing like, making his swing

894
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: decisions early. I know you don't want this kid to

895
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: come in and swing at everything he sees, but there

896
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: have been a lot of at bats where to meet.

897
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: At least to me, he looks a little passive. He

898
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: looks like he's almost maybe does he's afraid of chasing,

899
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: so he's not going to be maybe as aggressive as

900
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: you see other guys who come up and prospects that

901
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: come up and they're they're ready, they're aggressive and they're hunting.

902
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: What have you thought of of Cam Smith?

903
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: Again, small sample sizes been seventeen plate appearances, But what

904
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: have you thought of What have you thought of the

905
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: at bats? Have you thought he's has he looked in

906
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: control of himself as a twenty two year old and

907
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: almost unprecedented situation.

908
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I think I think he looks fine.

909
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 4: You know, I think even if he's in his own head,

910
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 4: he looks comfortable up there.

911
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: The swing looks good. I think a little.

912
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: More, I guess because he passive aggressiveness. You could be

913
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 4: a little more aggressive, but be restricted at the same time.

914
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: You know, pick that first pitch, pick that second pitch,

915
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: you know, pick the spot you want it. If you

916
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: get your fastball, go out there and ambush that thing.

917
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: If you see something else, don't even even think.

918
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 3: About twitching at it.

919
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 4: And I think that's something that he could work on,

920
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: because we know it's there, we know the skills there,

921
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 4: we know the place.

922
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: Disc one's there, we've seen it.

923
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: But to go back to what we've talked about, they

924
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 4: face some pretty disgusting pitching to start. The whole team

925
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 4: is doing pretty much similar to what he's doing. Anyway,

926
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: nobody's hitting, so you really can't blame the kid alone.

927
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 4: And like I said before this season started, yeah, I

928
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 4: think he was the right move to start. I think

929
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 4: we were all I think we were all going to

930
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: expect some struggles considering what you know, nervousness or whatever.

931
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: It may be a twenty two year old being he's

932
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 3: so young, But I think he's right where he needs

933
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: to be.

934
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 4: Obviously, he's six strikeouts is a little bit more to

935
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 4: kind of a rich flag at.

936
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: But you know, he's got a week under his belt.

937
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 4: Now he can kind of go into the routine of

938
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 4: being a more normal kid there and a normal player

939
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 4: and kind of get used to that. Got the first

940
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 4: week jitters out of the way. Now, if we're talking

941
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 4: about this in three weeks, it might be a little

942
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: bit more time to be like, hey, you know.

943
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: This is something we really got to figure out and

944
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: focus on. But like I said, first week's over. Put

945
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: it behind you.

946
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: Like we talked about the beginning of the pod, let

947
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 4: it go. This kid seems to be doing fine, and

948
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 4: he's going to find a groove and he gets hot,

949
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 4: and you know he could he could ride it out.

950
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: But the good thing is he doesn't look off balance,

951
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: he doesn't look silly up there.

952
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: That's the big focal point.

953
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 4: If the numbers aren't there, look at the approach and

954
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: you can understand why where he's where he's at and.

955
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: Maybe not doing so well, but like.

956
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 4: I said, he's he looks comfortable, swing looks great, and

957
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 4: that's the positive you're looking at.

958
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: It's going to get no easier for him because we're

959
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: currently in Minneapolis, where it is very cold, and Cam

960
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: Smith is a West Palm Beach native who played it floors.

961
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: I actually asked him the other day with the cold

962
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: this game ever played in and he said it was

963
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame at one point in his college career,

964
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: and he said it was about forty degrees and haling,

965
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: you're about to You're about to be in about forty

966
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: degrees for about eight days in a row. It's gonna

967
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: get no easier because he's playing in the cold weather.

968
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: And then after Minneapolis, the Ashers go to Seattle, where

969
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: they are going to I mean that's the best, that's

970
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: the best rotation in baseball.

971
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 4: They're gonna see what next next next time he starts

972
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: for forever gets you. I want you to walk in there,

973
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 4: and you give him this advice if he if he

974
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 4: wears sleeves, if he doesn't wear sleeves.

975
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: Time you put.

976
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: Aqua four all over your skin or baby oil closes

977
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 4: up your pores so that the cold doesn't get in.

978
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: Because I'm with you. I'm a South Georgia native. We

979
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: have thin skin. We're made for the hotney humid. Cover

980
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: up those poors.

981
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: Get a little thick base of some aquafor in there,

982
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 4: and then you put your layers on.

983
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: You'll be good to go.

984
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: It was funny, you know, I don't remember which Rogers

985
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: it was, the one on the Giants.

986
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 2: I think it was Tyler Rogers. They have the twins.

987
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: I think any this this is bad podding, but I

988
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: need to look up whatever Rogers it was that was

989
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: on the Twins or not on the Twins on the Giants.

990
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 2: No, it's it's Tyler Rogers.

991
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 3: Tyler.

992
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, cam Smith faced him in the in the under right,

993
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: and it just that to me had to be his

994
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: welcome to the show moment, because there ain't no way

995
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: in high a they got a guy at six foot

996
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: six throwing from underneath, basically from behind his butt and

997
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: it coming in and you know, Look, there's gonna be

998
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: a lot of those. He's going to have a lot

999
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: of welcome to the show moments, you know, being in

1000
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: the cold in Minneapolis, you know, going to Seattle and

1001
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: they get Logan Gilbert the first first game in Seattle.

1002
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: That's a lot of limbs. That's a lot of velocity

1003
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: coming from a big, tall man. I think they get

1004
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 1: Luis Castillo the next day. That's a really hard ninety

1005
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: nine mile hour sinker. Just saw that with Jordan Hicks.

1006
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: So look, he's going I think it's going to settle in.

1007
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: But but Josh, you did bring up a point and

1008
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: we'll get out of here after this. But I asked

1009
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 1: Joe a spot of the other day and this wasn't

1010
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: about this wasn't referencing any specific player, But I asked,

1011
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: is there a threshold or number of at bats to

1012
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: where you start to start thinking like this is not

1013
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: a small sample sizing like I have. Basically, guys, when

1014
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: do you start paying attention to trends? Will give me

1015
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: a number of at bats?

1016
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 3: Got take fifty?

1017
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what Joe Saifty is say.

1018
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 4: Fifty is a safe number because you're you're at the

1019
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: point where you've gotten comfortable.

1020
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: Your timing should be where you want it to be.

1021
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 4: And I think that's where you're you're falling into the

1022
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 4: rhythm of being where you should or shouldn't be. So

1023
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 4: I think fifties are really good number to be like,

1024
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 4: all right, is this kid gonna be okay?

1025
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: Is this kid gonna need some more time to figure

1026
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: it out? Yeah, I'm with Joe. Fifty. Fifty's a great number.

1027
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: And let's let's say it right now.

1028
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: Cam Smith's taking seventeen played appearances in fourteen at bats,

1029
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: so he's probably got another you know, maybe two weeks,

1030
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: two two and a half weeks to accumulate that fifty.

1031
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: And then that's when I think the conversations if it

1032
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: still looks like this, if you know, he's he's in

1033
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: control himself in the box, but the results are not there,

1034
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: you know at the end of the day, like he

1035
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: can he can show as much play discipline as he wants.

1036
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: Like in the Big League, it's about results. It's about results.

1037
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that's when I think the conversations will

1038
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: start to happen about you know, would he be better

1039
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: served going back down or things like that. But again,

1040
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: let's get him to fifty at bats and then that

1041
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: conversation can start, and when it does, we will cover

1042
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: it here on crush Tty Territory. The next two weeks,

1043
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: we will see whether camp Smith can kind of break

1044
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: out of or maybe kind of reintroduce himself and get

1045
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: some slug into his game. We'll see if Jose al

1046
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: Tuova can avoid his second career five strikeout game. We'll

1047
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: see if he can get his first five hit game,

1048
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: maybe get up with Josh Reddick and maybe inch closer

1049
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: to Josh Reddick on the five hit game leader.

1050
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 4: And you know, to go back to the cam Smith thing,

1051
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 4: there's other things to look at as well, like when

1052
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: you get to fifty, if he's even hitting two ten

1053
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: to twenty, how is his non hits looking like?

1054
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: Is he lying out neither?

1055
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: The first week, I know, Christian was having some hard

1056
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 4: hit balls. The opening day he had three over one

1057
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 4: oh five and he was over three to show for it.

1058
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: So if a man's out there hitting you know, laser

1059
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 4: shows and he's hitting Q ten, it's a lot different

1060
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: than hitting you know, the two hundred with twenty strikeouts.

1061
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: So and if the team's.

1062
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 4: Winning too, if he's hit out there hitting the ball hard,

1063
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 4: having good at bets, and the team's winning, you're not

1064
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 4: gonna send this kid anywhere. Now, if the team's kind

1065
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 4: of struggling, or if they're winning and he's just not

1066
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 4: hitting the ball hard, then then you have a whole

1067
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: different conversation.

1068
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 3: So it's not just about we need Cam hitting three

1069
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: hundred with some homers.

1070
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 4: In our Yeah, it's how the ball's coming off his bat,

1071
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 4: how the team's doing, and how he's looking.

1072
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: So there's all kinds of different ways.

1073
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it definitely should it definitely should be

1074
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: noted that, you know, the two hits camp Smith does

1075
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: have were I would not say great looking.

1076
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: They were not lasers.

1077
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: Now, there were no they were. He was late, and

1078
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: it was two opposite field. One kind of bounced through

1079
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: had eyes and the other one was just a ground

1080
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: ball to the other way that got through the right side.

1081
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: So and there hasn't been a haven't been a ton

1082
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: of hard hit outs either, haven't been a ton of

1083
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: lasers hit all the over the place. Again, seventeen played

1084
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: appearances were not overreacting, but since we mentioned it, I

1085
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: mean it should be noted that it hasn't been there,

1086
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: He has not been had the Christian Walker track of

1087
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: all these lasers that are getting hit right at guys,

1088
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: it's been the contact has not been great. Again, He's

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Speaker 1: working good at bats, he's seeing pitches, but again, the

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Speaker 1: Big Leagues is about production and game.

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Speaker 3: A torpedo bat he'll be find.

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Speaker 1: Ye who knows, maybe he'll maybe he'll debut with a

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Speaker 1: torpedo bat. Maybe that'll help him out. If he does,

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Speaker 1: we will talk about it here on Crush City Territory. Guys,

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Speaker 1: please rate and review us on Apple. Please subscribe on

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Speaker 1: post a new pod. Again, three times a week during

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Speaker 1: the regular season. So once this series in Minneapolis wraps up,

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Speaker 1: I'll be headed to Seattle. But we will talk to

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Speaker 1: you guys after this series, get a recap of it,

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Speaker 1: and then prepare for the Mariners, which is always a

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Speaker 1: very tightly contested series. Scott's Service being gone kind of

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Speaker 1: takes some of the real fire out of it because

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Speaker 1: Scott Service was Scott's Service was not well liked by

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Speaker 1: many members of the Astros clubhouse. So maybe it'll be

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Speaker 1: a little more peaceful, a little more calm without Scott Service.

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Speaker 1: But certainly two teams that do not like each other

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Speaker 1: very much. Too talented teams to the Mariners obviously with

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Speaker 1: the one of the best pitching staffs in the American League,

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Speaker 1: so we'll be a challenge for the Astros and their lineup.

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Speaker 1: Maybe their lineup is kind of rounding in the form,

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Speaker 1: but going into seattle'll be a big test. So we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you about all that and more on our

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Speaker 1: next episode of CRUSHTA Territory.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, thank you for watching, and talk to you later.

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Speaker 3: See you, guys.