1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: A speaker has not been elected. Well, it's groundhog Day again. 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: They've left, and they've chuckled, and they've pointed fingers at us. 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: They want us to fight each other. 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Welcome to the fastest hour 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: in politics as we follow one of the slowest moving 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: saga's in modern politics. Kevin McCarthy is still stuck, even 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: after making more concessions to the opposition inside his own party. 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: Will Republicans make a deal with Democrats on a unity candidate? 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: We talked about it with former New York Congressman Joe Crowley, 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: who served in the Democratic leadership, for his behind the 20 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: scenes view and with our panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: Chanzano and Rick Davis are here for the hour as 22 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: things unfold live on the floor. Later, our conversation with 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business Week columnist Josh Green on the secret to 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: Rhonda Santis's success. It's probably not what you think. It's 25 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: spent another long day in the US House, where Kevin 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: McCarthy has now endured nine rounds of voting onto ten 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: and still not a break in his quest to be speaker. 28 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: Remember elect having received the majority of the votes cast, 29 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: a speaker has not been elected. That's the House clerk, 30 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: Cheryl Johnson, who we should be naming, right, Cheryl Johnson 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: should be a household name by though she runs the 32 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: joint until the speaker is named in party leadership, makes 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: rules and you know, controls the floor. But right now, sir, 34 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: and very little has changed since this time yesterday. If 35 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: you're Kevin McCarthy, he's average votes on each round, give 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: or take a couple, even as the names have changed 37 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: around him. Today, Congressman Byron Donalds was still in the mix, 38 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: along with a former President, the Honorable Donald J. Trump 39 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: of the state of Florida has received one one. He 40 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: got all of one vote after being nominated by Congressman 41 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: Matt Gates. The other name added today, Congressman Kevin Hearne 42 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma, was nominated by Congresswoman Lauren Boberg. I believe 43 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: that Kevin Hearne is a unifier. He just received the 44 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: chairman of the Republican Study Committee by unanimous consent. This 45 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: is the largest caucus in our conference. Look how many 46 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: people have already put their trust in Kevin heard to 47 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: lead them. Well, he got three votes, still too more 48 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: than Trump, but a far cry from what is needed here. Obviously, 49 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: bringing us to the question that we started asking this week. 50 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: If not Kevin, who is there such a thing as 51 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: a unity candidate. We'll talk about that ahead with former 52 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: Congressman Joe Crowley, but let's get up to date on 53 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: the action here in the house. Jack Fitzpatrick is back 54 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Governments Congress reporter and a friend here at sound on. Jack, 55 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: looks like we're we're going for ten rounds here. This 56 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: could feasibly go all night, right. Are you hearing talk 57 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: of an a German or a deal. Where are we 58 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: It's been a lot of confusion about the timing of 59 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: votes when I've asked around. Actually, just this afternoon, Patrick McHenry, 60 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: who was a pro Kevin McCarthy, ally said, you know, 61 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: it's one thing to hold the votes, but the actual 62 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: action is in the behind closed doors meetings to see 63 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: if they can come together. Um, it can be difficult 64 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: though to agree to hold that the journman vote if 65 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: on of these sides things there's something to blame by 66 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: uh continuing to make this sort of a public spectacle. 67 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: So I've I've heard a lot of confusion and almost 68 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: really just gotten a shrug of the shoulders in terms 69 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: of how long they're going to go with votes, because 70 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: that maybe the side show, it's the clown show or 71 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: the side show, but the real show in terms of 72 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: when this ends, is not the votes, but the meetings 73 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: that we aren't involved in. There are behind closed doors. Yeah. 74 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: Our our colleague Eric Watson on the Hill tweeted a 75 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: little while ago Jack that Tom Emmer is hosting talks 76 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: between dissidents and moderates as the vote goes on. Is 77 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: this sort of where the action is happening right now? 78 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: Is that going on as we speak. Yeah, people like 79 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: Tom Emmer and other McCarthy allies who are taking the 80 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: lead in going in largely at times one on one 81 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: conversations with people. Sometimes there will be small groups of 82 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: people entering into meeting rooms, um, but trying to figure 83 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: out which of these demands or something they can actually 84 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: uh meet in the middle on or to associate on 85 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: in which other ones. More like getting certain people on 86 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: certain committees are are just totally unacceptable to uh certain 87 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: more moderate members. But the conversations about basically, how do 88 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: you tweak the House rules what you want on fiscal policy? 89 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: Those are the discussions that a lot of members are 90 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: saying are more productive rather than public statements coming out, 91 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: public voting and that kind of thing. This is really something, 92 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it sure seems like even if Kevin McCarthy 93 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: succeeds in splitting up this group of twenty these twenty 94 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: no votes, you're still gonna have that hardcore five or 95 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: six Matt Gates, Lauren Bobert uh problem. And unless he's 96 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: allowing them, I guess, to become speaker themselves. I'm just 97 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: not sure, Jack, what can he offer at this point? 98 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: You know, there are probably a few other things that 99 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: he hasn't offered that could offer when I've asked around. 100 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: For example, Scott Perry brought up a couple of things 101 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: that they hadn't gotten yet. There's a border security proposal 102 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: by members from Texas that Arthy had turned down guaranteeing 103 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: the vote on that. They want votes on individual earmarks 104 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: in spending bills and a two thirds super majority threshold 105 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: to approve of them, even though about three quarters of 106 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: the House Republican Conference voted internally to keep the earmark system, 107 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: so they you know, there's a debate still left to 108 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: be had on House rules. Uh, he hasn't given them 109 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: absolutely everything, but you're very right that that the issue 110 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: of uh, whether it's five members or it gets down 111 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: to one who can demand at any time vote on 112 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: whether the speaker stays in power really would limit the 113 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: effectiveness and the power of the speaker. And that's the 114 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: big area where he has conceded a lot. Does it 115 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: get to the point where he starts to lose moderates 116 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: as he tries to please conservatives. The the one main 117 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: area where the answer to that is yes. As I've 118 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: talked to members of the Appropriations Committee who have said look, 119 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: we can have a conversation about the House rules, but 120 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: the demands that Freedom Caucus members have made privately, so 121 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: we don't know all the details about trying to get 122 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: a certain number of their members onto appropriations or onto 123 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: the Rules Committee or something along those lines, is where 124 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: they really say no, absolutely not. There's a member from Maryland, 125 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: Andy Harris, who's a bit of a bomb thrower. They 126 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: want him to be in charge of the largest domestic 127 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: spending bill. Um. The Republican appropriators who are aligned with 128 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: McCarthy have said, if you give ground on that, we 129 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: have a real problem. That is their red line. Do 130 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: you think Donald Trump's disappointed only got one vote? I 131 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: think it. And you know, it's interesting to see how 132 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: many different routes that they take and how Byron Donald's 133 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: got pulled into it after having supported McCarthy. Kevin Hearn 134 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: was a bit of a surprise. Uh, you may see 135 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: other names at this point. They're kind of winging it, 136 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: which McCarthy allies says a good thing because there's not 137 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: a consensus. Challenger, well, how is the name Steve Scalise 138 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: not come out yet? I still don't get this. I 139 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: think if you want to make a show of getting 140 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: rid of Kevin McCarthy. You probably don't go to his 141 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: second in command. Uh. Scalise is not going to come 142 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: out and challenge it, clearly, And if you're an absolutely 143 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: never heaven voter, I don't know if it's enough if 144 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: you're trying to make a show of rejecting current leadership 145 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: to go get the same thing. Unbelievable. Hang in there, Jack, 146 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: It's great to have you Jack Fitzpatrick with us working 147 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: as we speak on Capitol Hill. As we turn to 148 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: our panel, I've had to wait all day and I 149 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: had the benefit over the course of this week to 150 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: hear from Rick and Genie during Balance of Power every day. 151 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: I missed you, guys, Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeannie Schanzano and 152 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 1: Rick Davis. We will pull you back in eventually. We 153 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: do it right now as we move on to ten rounds, Rick, 154 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: do you feel any differently about this today than you 155 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: did yesterday following an all night bargaining session. Uh? Yeah, 156 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: I mean actually I think maybe not. After the all 157 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: night bargaining session. That doesn't sound like it made the 158 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: kind of progress and certainly no evidence of it in 159 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: the last you know, a couple of rounds, but recently, 160 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: at least, the reporting is pretty positive in the sense 161 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: that you know, these these meetings going on in you know, 162 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: Congressman Emmer's office off the floor, uh, you know, with 163 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: some of the leaders of the Freedom Caucus have actually 164 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: started the sound positive. I mean they started out downright awful. Right, 165 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna negotiate in public. We've been thrown under 166 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: the bus. I mean, all these kinds of things were 167 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: said at the start of the day, and you thought, wow, 168 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: we're going backwards, not forwards. But I wouldn't be surprised 169 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: to see some movement in this current vote. That's that's 170 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: happening right now. It certainly started out strong, you know 171 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: with Congressman Siskamani from Arizona's UH nomin nations speech uh 172 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: to uh for Kevin McCarthy is probably the best one 173 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: I think of the whole week and uh and and 174 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: it just seems like there's a different atmosphere where there 175 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: might be some progress. How about that. Is there any 176 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: particular issue that made you feel that way or this 177 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: is the gut check from Rick Davis. Yeah. Look, I mean, 178 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, as Jack was saying, I mean, there's a 179 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: laundry list of stuff that various people want. There's no 180 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: one list that everybody would buy into. UM. But I 181 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: think they've done a good job of segmenting the five 182 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: or six people who are never going to vote for 183 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, right, And that could be a deal killer, 184 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: UM under normal circumstances. But if they could get the 185 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: balance of them, the ten or twelve that are still 186 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: hanging out there, um, you know, then they can do 187 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: something like uh, you know, uh trigger the plurality option 188 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: or go cut a deal with the Democrats at that stage, right, 189 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: I mean like now you're starting to see a pathway 190 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: to Kevin actually getting there. And so UM, I think 191 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: the isolation of the six uh Mavericks, the six uh 192 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: bomb throwers are are are good strategy and they seem 193 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: to be implementing that isolation is the strategy we're voting 194 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: right now, just to keep you posted live sound from 195 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: the house floor. As we know, go through the tenth round. 196 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: And it's not lost on us, Jeannie Chanzano, that it 197 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: was a hundred years ago the last time this went 198 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: beyond one ballot, they went to nine. So we are 199 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: now and at least the last centuries worth in uncharted territory. 200 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: That's right, and it is quite a claim that Kevin 201 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: McCarthy can make. And my dear friend Rick Davis is 202 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: feeling optimistic and that's making me feel good. But boy, 203 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: I do not see it. You know, if you look 204 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: at this, this is going in the wrong direction for 205 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. He has made deep concessions and he has 206 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: not seen movement in his direction. Now, will we end 207 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,359 Speaker 1: up with a speaker, Absolutely, but it's hard to imagine 208 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: how they end up with Kevin McCarthy at this point 209 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: unless they can work with Democrats to do something across 210 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: the aisle, and that doesn't seem to be in the 211 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: off thing either. They can't even get off this floor 212 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: and go behind the scenes adjourn and make it, you know, 213 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: have a concerted discussion. So there he sits beaming while 214 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: people nominate him and he loses vote after vote after votes. 215 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: So you know, it is a fraud time for Kevin McCarthy. 216 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: Still ask though, if it's not Kevin, if that's the question, right, 217 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: who then who? He's got over two hundred votes. I 218 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: guess he topped out at two o two in the 219 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: first round, But it's been pretty consistently, uh two hundred 220 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: votes for this series of nine now going on to ten. 221 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: Nobody else can come close to this, Genie, Donald Trump 222 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: got one vote today for crying out loud. I know. 223 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: And in comparison, Kevin McCarthy's got to feel pretty good, right, 224 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm guessing yeah, and and and you're right, because that's 225 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: the question. If not Kevin, who, And that is what 226 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy has been saying. And the reality is is 227 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: they've either got to go to a different vote, so 228 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: they've got to get to that plurality that we've talked 229 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: about before the Civil War that was the last time 230 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: that happened, or they've got to turn to somebody else, 231 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: maybe a Steve Scalise or somebody else who is not, 232 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, on this list of we want his head 233 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: and we will keep voting until we get it. And 234 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: beyond that, you're hard pressed to imagine. Another option would 235 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: be to strike a deal with the Democrats, get some 236 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: kind of consensus candidate. We talked about this yesterday. They 237 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: just did this in Pennsylvania. But maybe it can be done. 238 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: But of course Pennsylvania is a sort of at this point, 239 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: a much more shall we say, civil place than Washington, 240 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: d C. Is you know you want to be in 241 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: Harrisburg if you're in the legislature at this point, Boy, 242 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's some sort of does look a 243 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: little bit fun here, Rick, Have we learned anything by 244 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: this unusual view, this rare view that we're getting of 245 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: of the mechanism actually working here because c SPAN is 246 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: running the cameras. Yeah, I have actually really uh tried 247 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: to steal time out of my day to watch the 248 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: c SPAN coverage because it's not often one that all 249 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: the members are standing around the floor, Right, that's quite unusual. 250 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: And that was picked up by a number of the 251 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: speakers for the non Republican speakers for the non um H. 252 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: McCarthy nominations throughout the day that um, hey, this is 253 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: great having everybody on the floor. This is how we 254 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: ought to conduct business. I mean, it's kind of collegial. 255 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: Uh and and so uh there is kind of an 256 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: atmosphere that could be permeating the future. Right. Why why 257 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: aren't we doing this in regular order? Right? I Mean 258 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: that's one of the demands of the renegades was to 259 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: have regular order were you're supposed to have regular order anyway, 260 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: and and people are supposed to be there on the 261 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: floor doing the business of the government. So um, I 262 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: think this might actually be. I mean, again, Genie's gonna 263 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: criticize me for being an optimist. But when all of 264 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: this is said and done, maybe there is a better, 265 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: uh and more collegial House of Represents than we've seen 266 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: for the last few decades. Or it could be, you know, 267 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: just massive dysfunction based on new enemies that are apparently 268 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: being made as we speak. That's right, And boy, if 269 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: this is a better way to do business, I don't 270 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: know if by January rules in place, committee staffers can't 271 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: get paid, there's no constituent service going on. Imagine you 272 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: are elected to Congress. You don't even have an email address. 273 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: For gosh sakes, you're sitting on the floor. One of 274 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: these four thirty four people will likely have to leave to, say, 275 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: attend a child's baseball game or something, and they're just 276 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: gonna keep voting. I mean, this is the height of insanity. 277 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: The President is right, it is an embarrassment. They are 278 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: being held hostage by a group of people. This is 279 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: no way to run the government. I too, believe in 280 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: regular order. I don't believe in jamming through a one 281 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: point seven trillion dollar package that nobody can read. Some 282 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: of the demands makes sense, but you've got to choose 283 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: a speaker. The constitution demands it, and it shouldn't take 284 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: three days like this, or you know, we'll see Rick 285 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: Genie put a finger on something important that the next 286 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: pay day would be the thirteenth Friday for these staffers 287 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: who are not getting paid until this is resolved. Is 288 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: that like a TACIT deadline? Or do you think it's 289 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: handled before them? Uh? Look, I mean I think actually 290 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but probably what will be 291 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: driving members uh to to add a little bit of 292 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: extra pressure to the proceedings is that they want to 293 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: go home on the weekend. Right if the if the 294 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: staff can pay great, I mean, like they're always worried 295 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: about their staff. I'm sure, um, but the reality is 296 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: they don't want to spend a weekend in Washington, and 297 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: which is which is understandable. Who wants to be in Washington, 298 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: uh in a winter evening? So or when winter weekend? 299 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Genie Shans they know with us at last, 300 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: on the fastest hour in politics, we're gonna add Joe 301 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: Crowley to the conversation. Coming up next, the former New 302 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: York Congressman, member of the leadership with what is going on? 303 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg, This is Bloomberg, So on with Joe 304 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Good Democrats still helped us solve 305 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: the situation with the Speaker of the House or are 306 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: they just having too much fun watching It's a very 307 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: real question we're gonna talk about next with former Congressman 308 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: Joe Crowley. Yesterday we heard from Congressman Brad Sherman, remember 309 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: on his idea of potential deal on the debt ceiling, 310 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: if not a continuing resolution that would keep the government 311 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: running in the event of a shutdown. Different idea today 312 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: from Mick Mulvaney, who I spoke with on balance of power, 313 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: of course, the former acting chief of Staff of the 314 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: White House Trump administration, former Congressman, former Freedom cob he 315 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: co founder of the Freedom Caucus. Here's how he'd play 316 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: it and say, look, we've got twenty five Republicans, um, 317 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: we will offer you a compromise. Candidate, I thought you 318 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: have used tread Upton's names as a friend of mine, 319 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: and he's a model Republican of mind me doing this 320 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: and said, look, we we want Fred as speaker. You 321 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: guys all vote for Fred, and what we'll do in 322 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: return is we promised no investigations. There's no subpoenas. Will 323 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: do legislation, but no investigations. That'd be a huge win 324 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: for the Democrats and a reason for them to support 325 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: a coalition candidate, A coalition candidate, a unity candidate. Is 326 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: there such thing? Poor Fred Upton, his name keeps coming 327 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: up here, But let's start there with Joe Crowley, the 328 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: former New York congressman and former chair of the Democratic Caucus. 329 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: He's been parts part of days like these. But Joe, 330 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: by now you would have had the family photo, right, 331 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: you would have had a couple of I mean, can 332 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: you imagine sitting through this now for going on what 333 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: three days? And still there's no Congress, and there's there's 334 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: no House of Representatives to speak of? How much longer 335 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: do you see this? It's it's more boggling, man respects. 336 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, having gone through quite a 337 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: few of those myself, it's it supposed to be a 338 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: joyous day for your families to see us born in 339 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: uh you know, for chem McCarthy. It's been a nightmare, 340 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: and it's really hard to say how long it will 341 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: the one for UM. I do think the likelihood of 342 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: some kind of consensus Candida between Democrats Republicans is it's 343 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: pretty far fetched. I just don't see Republicans giving that 344 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: off after having you know, won the election basically for 345 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: the House. UM. As much as I admire Fred Upton, 346 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: I think he's a good guy. It's interesting coming from 347 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: mcmilvany of all people suggesting that I'm friendly with Mick, 348 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: but I'm very surprised that he would come up with 349 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: that kind of solution. UM. So it really I think 350 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: we'll have to come within the Republican conference itself. UM, 351 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: whether Kevin McCarthy is that person is the is the 352 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 1: real question here. Well, that's right, and then you know, 353 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: my goodness, he's he's holding onto two votes. You know 354 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: how powerful that is. He's almost there. You know, if 355 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: he if he strips away uh eighteen more, he's he's 356 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: home free. It doesn't seem like that's about to happen. 357 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: But there are also reports Joe of a deal at hand. 358 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: Tom Emer's office has apparently been very busy. Our own 359 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: a Wasson uh is tweeting now that dissidents in the 360 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: secret meeting are increasingly close lipped, and usually that means 361 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: the deal is close. Do you think he's right? It's possible. 362 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: I know Patrick mckenry, who I'm friendly with as well. 363 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: I haven't spoken to him, but I know that he's 364 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: been involved in some of these negotiations as well. I've 365 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: noticed he's not been on the floor except the vote, 366 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: so it's very possible that he's heading up some of 367 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: those negotiations. Um, it would sound reasonable to me that 368 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: at some point there maybe some movement. But what really 369 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: strikes me is that you have a number of folks here, 370 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: Bobard for instance, who I think she will not be 371 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: for McCarthy under any circumstances. Um. You know there there's 372 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: a few of them that are out there, but I 373 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: just don't you know, Perry and others who I just 374 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: don't see moving under any circumstances. And you know, um, 375 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: they seem to be somewhat principled on this too, although well, 376 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. I want to ask you about 377 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: the other leader are in the room. It's your friend HACKEM. 378 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: Jeffreys now through nine rounds or I think at that point, 379 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was eight. When Congresswoman Catherine 380 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: Clark of Massachusetts, of course part of the leadership herself, 381 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: stood up to put his name back into nomination, made 382 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: very careful note of the clear trend that he has 383 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: had with votes on his side. Listen, two hundred and twelve, 384 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: two hundred and twelve, two hundred and twelve, two hundred 385 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: and twelve, two hundred and twelve, two hundred and twelve, 386 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 1: and today two hundred and twelve. The okay, they love it, 387 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: big round of applause, Joe Colley. Obviously Democrats are enjoying this, 388 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: and it's been fun for them to continue to vote 389 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: unanimously for HACKEM Jeffreies. But is this galvanizing his power 390 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: even in the minority in a way that might not 391 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: have happened otherwise. I think one of is joying in 392 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: some respects. You say, the way which Hakim has has 393 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: has handled this very classy fellow. You know, he's not 394 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: bodacious um and he's he's very humble in many respects. 395 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: And I think that this has is certainly a nod 396 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: to his benefit in terms of name recognition, the face 397 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 1: for the American people. You know, we've I've known him, 398 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: We've known him in New York for so many years. 399 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: But he is he's quite the talent. And I think 400 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: that this certainly has been an opportunity to see the 401 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: unity of the Democratic Caucus behind behind behind our chem 402 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: has been nothing show but just remarkable and solid. It's 403 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: incredibly solid. Do Americans care about this or is this 404 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: just for the naval gazing in Washington? Yeah, I think 405 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: that's a good question. I didn't know the other day, um, 406 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: that it wasn't the headline on the nightly news at 407 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: least what I was watching. You know, it was about 408 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: the young fellow in the NFL who has been who 409 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: is injured, and um, you know, it took a while 410 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: to get around to this. I do think it matters, um. 411 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: But in terms of an interest, um, you know, the 412 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: market's care. I think people who are political junkies care. 413 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 1: People certainly within the belt Way, Uh, there there are 414 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: there are a number of people. Can they should care 415 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: because this is it's critical to the foundation of our 416 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: republic that we have a working legislative branch. Uh And 417 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: and right clearly, right now it is not worked. If 418 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: you were still the Democratic Caucus chair, what would you 419 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: be doing right now? Are you just sitting next to 420 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: hackem laughing at this or would you be digging into 421 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: some deal making? Well, I think you know, there'd be 422 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of snarky going, snarking going on behind 423 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: the scenes. There's no question. I think the days of 424 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: eating popcorn on the floor probably over because people realize 425 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: the damage is being done to the institution. Um. I 426 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: wouna be talking to folks to see just what the 427 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: sense of what's out there there is, um and maybe 428 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: kind toying with the noan idea of a consensus candidate 429 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: that you know, people that Democrats could get behind in 430 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: terms of I think it's I think it's highly unlikely. 431 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: But that's how you get information, you by by by 432 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: throwing those things out there, you kind of gone our 433 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: where things are at. With Republican side, you have some 434 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 1: feelers out that they get a sense of where things 435 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: are going. It's interesting you mentioned the popcorn Commerssalman kat 436 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: came back, who you probably know well, brought this up yesterday. 437 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: It was booed on the floor. They want us to 438 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: fight each other that much has been made clear by 439 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: the popcorn and blankets and alcohol of it is coming 440 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, okay, so a lot of people were 441 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: outraged by that out of order. She was booed Joey, 442 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: what goes on nights like the lawless nights like these 443 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: in the house. Well, I think, you know, the the 444 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: notion idea of alcohol on the flaw is ridiculous. Uh, 445 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: that that does not happen. You know. Look, I can't 446 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: speak to people who may have a flask their pocket, 447 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: you know, but um, you know that just is not 448 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: acceptable and quite frankly, eating on the floor is not acceptable. 449 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: I think it was really more for prop um and 450 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: for for you know, for kicks and giggles, but um, 451 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: you know, really beyond that, um and the show of that. 452 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: I think we're beyond that now because I think, you know, 453 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: people are beginning to realize again, as I said, the 454 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: damage it's being done in terms of the institution. I 455 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: know that Americans don't hold it very dear, those of 456 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: us who had the opportunities served in For me it 457 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: was twenty years. I care very much about the Congress 458 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: and and and the respect that it should demand and command, 459 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: I should say, not demand command from the American people, 460 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: and this is not doing anything to endear the Congress 461 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: more to the American people, in fact that it's pushing 462 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: it further away. Well, we can tell our listeners, Congressman 463 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: that Kevin McCarthy does not have the votes here for 464 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: the tenth round. It looks like we're going to eleven 465 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: unless they find a way to adjourn. Is the Democratic 466 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: strategy right now? Just to keep this going as long 467 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: as possible, knowing that eventually there'll be a Republican deal. Yeah, 468 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: I think that is true. I think um, you know, 469 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: what it really is showing and demonstrating is that this 470 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: functionality of the Republican Conference. When you think that tomorrow 471 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: is is the end up second anniversary of January six, 472 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: you now have members of the Republican Conference who actually 473 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: supported that event, who support the insurruction, who are now 474 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: elected members members elected the House. I don't think it's 475 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: a visual that the Republicans really won, but it seems 476 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: it's one they're gonna get now. You know, maybe they'll 477 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: have a deal on January six and give us another 478 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: reason to remember that day. It's great to have you back, 479 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: Joe Crowley, Foreigny or Congressman and Democratic Caucus Chair with 480 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: the view inside UH as far as fred Upton is concerned, 481 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: by the way, this, this this potential unity candidate that 482 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: mc vol vaney floated today has the distinction of being 483 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: the only Congressman in history, the only member of congressman 484 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: history to vote to impeach to Presidents Bill Clinton, Yes, 485 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: Donald trumpe. He was one of only ten Republicans who 486 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: voted to impeach Trump. Imagine that being accepted by the 487 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: Republican Party in the House. You're listening to Bloomberg. You 488 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. So ten 489 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: rounds now number ten and no speaker. We are watching, 490 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: so you don't have to you can hear it now. 491 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: As the House prepares, it seems for the eleventh ballot, 492 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: we have to still codify the tenth and so it's 493 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: pretty unclear what what's going to happen next, and we'll 494 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 1: let you know. As we turned to Bloomberg Business Week's 495 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: Big Take today eight day, God looked down on his 496 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: planned paradise and said, I need a protector, cho fighter 497 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: and de santis. Remember the God acting to get up, 498 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: but with apologies to the late Paul Harvey the headline 499 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: on Joshua Green's very good Big Take column You need 500 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: to go see its secret to De Santi's success is 501 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: ignore Trump and attack business. Josh It's great to have 502 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: you here and a great read. It's worth your time 503 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: on the terminal. As we spend so much time talking 504 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: about culture, war is something that Rhand De Santis has 505 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: really specialized in. He's managed to turn that against corporate 506 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: America in a way that no modern politician has been 507 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 1: able to do. It's really made him very different than 508 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, hasn't it? Yeah? It has. I mean the 509 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: Santis has been a hot name in Republican circles for 510 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: for a while. But I think the thing that really 511 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: has distinguished him and separated him from a lot of 512 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: the other Republican presidential hope pols is that he figured 513 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: out had a car out of profile for himself that 514 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: isn't reliant on Donald Trump. And I went down to 515 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: Florida traveled with him for his reelection campaign and came 516 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: away that the real key to his having done that 517 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: is to attack this idea of corporate wokeness, to attack 518 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: companies like Disney for having what he claims are perfidious 519 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: liberal social goals, and it turns out that that's something 520 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: that has really resonated with a lot of Republican voters, 521 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: to the extent that De Santus is now leading in 522 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: some polls for the Republican presidential nomination. And ignoring Trump 523 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: has been a big part of this as well, even 524 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: though he's been tried to the media constantly tries to 525 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: pull him into this conversation. Remember when Donald Trump called 526 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: him roun to sanctimonious, uh, and he had this response. 527 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: This was following the midterms and the lack of a 528 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: red wave. You know, at the end of the day, 529 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: I would just tell people to go check out the 530 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: scoreboard from last Tuesday night, and that said a lot 531 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: at the time. Does he fear Donald Trump? He hasn't 532 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: behaved like somebody who fears Donald Trump. And that's a 533 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: rarity among the Republicans because so many of them do. 534 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: And the lesson that Trump really kind of imposed by 535 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: force over his four or five years in the spotlight 536 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: was that if you want to be a Republican and 537 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: good standing, you need to bow and scrape and genuflect 538 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: to Trump. And that's something that the Santus has refused 539 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: to do, and he's he's managed to win in spite 540 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: of that, So he hasn't given any sign of being afraid. 541 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: But of course Trumps has already declared presidential candidate. So 542 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: is the Sandus does want the Republican nomination? He's gonna 543 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: have to get up there on a stage with Donald Trump. Uh, 544 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: And that's a whole different matter. Well, that's a that's 545 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: a great point. I mean, is he is he prepared 546 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: to primary Donald Trump? Or is he uh, just realizing 547 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: that time is on his side. I mean, he's making 548 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: a brand for himself. My goodness, they made car a 549 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: commercial for him, turn him into top gun. He's in 550 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: a fighter Jett. He's chosen by God. It does sound 551 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: like somebody who's certainly leaving open the opportunity for twenty 552 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: four But you know, why not wait till he could 553 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: own the field? Right? Well, a couple of reasons. I mean, one, 554 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: the broad expectation Washington is that the Santus is going 555 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: to get in the race. But the fact that he 556 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: won so dramatical, I me just want to landslide victory 557 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: in November, including bringing independence and Democrats, buys him time 558 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: to not have to get pressured into the race by Trump. 559 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: The case against waiting until eight is that if you 560 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: wait too long, your time passes. You know. We saw 561 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: that with candidates like Chris Christie. On the other hand, 562 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: you saw candidates like Barack Obama, rather than wait four years, 563 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: eight years, twelve years, jump right in wind up getting 564 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: elected president. So there's a real risk in politics. And 565 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: if you don't move while you're hot, uh, you know, 566 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: the circus moves on to somebody else, and by the 567 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: time you decide to get in the race, it's it's 568 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: it's sort of too late for your moment. But I 569 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: think the Santus isn't great is for two reasons. One, 570 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: Republicans outside of Florida did really, really badly, especially the 571 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: candidates Trump endors, so I think that's enhanced his aura. 572 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: And the other one, of course, is that Republicans in 573 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: Washington right now are a clown show who can't even 574 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: manage to elect a speaker, and I think that adds 575 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: more appeal to somebody like the Santis, who is clearly 576 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: a talented chief executive and is running the state of 577 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: Florida pretty well. Check out the column subscribed to The 578 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: Big Take Secret to the Santa's success is ignored Trump 579 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: and attack business. Josh Green, It's great to have you. 580 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: We should do this a lot more often. Appreciate the 581 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: conversation as we bring the panel in on this because 582 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Donald Trump has not done himself 583 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: and he favors with this whole situation in the house. 584 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: Rick Davis and g. D. Chanzano are back here. Rick, 585 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: we talked about it yesterday. Donald Trump telling everybody to 586 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: get behind Kevin McCarthy didn't change a single mind. That's 587 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: got to be something that Rhonda Santis is well aware of, 588 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I mean the Santis has watched the 589 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: crumbling of the Trump presidential Canada candidacy in its infancy, 590 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: uh for the last quarter of last year and going 591 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: into this year. It just seems to be getting worse 592 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: and worse. And of course he has all these prosecutions 593 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: looming over him, so it doesn't pretend to be any 594 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: better the first quarter of this year. Then what was 595 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: the last four quarters of last year? As far as 596 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: it goes for Trump, And so I do think um um, 597 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: Josh nailed it. I mean, you know, this is a 598 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: guy who is super smart, young, has nothing but a 599 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: stellar future ahead of him. Uh. And he's coming out 600 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: of one of the key states in the country for 601 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: national politics within the Republican Party. So uh, it's a 602 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: it's a pretty pretty good scenario. And of course, you know, 603 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: if you if you read his um speech for his 604 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: inauguration this earlier this week, it sounds like a guy 605 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: running for president. Uh. In fact, when I read the 606 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: speech the first time, I didn't see it live. Uh, 607 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: it could have been a speech written by John McCain almost. 608 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it was that kind of uplifting, inspirational. I 609 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: think he's hitting a tone that people care about. Because, 610 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: as as Josh said, the clown show that's the House 611 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: of Representatives isn't going to breed any candidates coming out 612 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: of there. Yeah. Well, they did have cannons at the 613 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: at the inaugural. Let's got to say something, Genie. I'll 614 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: tell you what. Though Joe Biden loves the idea of 615 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: running against Donald Trump, he really does think he's the 616 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: one man who can beat him twice. What does you 617 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: think about running against Rhonda Santis? Yeah, he probably wants 618 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: Trump to keep calling him to sanctimonious and to strike 619 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: him down and move on. You know, it's not something 620 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: I think that Joe Biden would relish that. You know, 621 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: anybody except Trump is going to be a different ballgame 622 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: for Joe Biden. But I think what you know, Rhonda 623 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: Santis is speech and and his his views, and Josh 624 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: is really smart. Piece what is happening to the Republican Party. 625 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: This is the party that used to be pro business, 626 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: now it's anti business. This is a party that used 627 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: to be internationalist, now big parts of it are isolationist. Right. 628 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: This is a party we are seeing live on the 629 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: floor of the House attacking each other. So it's a 630 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: party that is, you know, divorcing and dividing in all 631 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: kinds of ways. And I think one big question is 632 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: he can something buddy like Rhonda Santis bring this party 633 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: back together. I'm not so sure he has shown that, 634 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: especially outside of Florida, where he's still an unown entity. 635 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: So I think there's big questions hanging overhead. Not to 636 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: mention the fact getting out early on these presidential runs 637 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: can be a problem. I mean, just ask somebody like 638 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: Jeb Bush. You're gonna be up, You'll get knocked down. 639 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: And so he's got that to contend with, not that 640 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: he's an official candidate, but he is in many people's 641 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: mind sort of the alternative to Donald Trump, and that 642 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: may be a bit early for him to be out there. 643 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: See if we get Ron de Santis or just Ron 644 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: exclamation point. Rick and Jennie are back with us for 645 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: some final thoughts as we tell you a little bit 646 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: something I want you to know about the clerk of 647 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: the US House who is still in charge. Still no 648 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: speaker as we had for an eleventh round. It's happening 649 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: as we speak right here on Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg 650 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: So Long with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. I'm more 651 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: talk of a deal as things get a bit later 652 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: on in the day here Now, Kevin McCarthy doesn't have 653 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: the votes to win the tenth round, and we're just 654 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: putting the final touches on that. Well they are as 655 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: we keep an eye on the house. A lot of 656 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: paperwork going on here and they'll read the tally in 657 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: just a moment. The question is do we go to 658 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: an eleventh round and we may Well, we're learning this 659 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: in real time just like you are. Or the talk 660 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: of a deal Bloomberg's Eric Watson, as I mentioned made 661 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: it very clear Tom Emmer's office is like Grand Central 662 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: right now, hosting talks between dissidents and moderates. And now 663 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: the team over a punch bowl reporting that they have 664 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: a deal. John Bresnahan, reporting in Facts that Ralph Norman 665 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: Congressmen part of the never Kevin crowd, says there's an 666 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: agreement in writing. He's been asked to look at it. 667 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: Then again, we've heard about agreements before. Uh. Final thoughts 668 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: from our panel, Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano, Genie, do 669 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: you buy this? Do we have progress here? We having 670 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: a different conversation tomorrow. I'm forced for my friend Rick 671 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: Davis to say, I am mildly option stick. I'm really not. 672 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: I figured they got to get a deal at some point, right, 673 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: so you know it's gonna it's gonna happen at some point. 674 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: Let's hope it's in writing. But gosh, what can it 675 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: say that they don't lose a whole bunch of people 676 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: along the way. I can't imagine at this point. Well, 677 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: that's a good question, Rick, what do you think what's 678 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: our overnight gonna look like? Are we talking about some 679 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: real votes by tomorrow? Where Kevin McCarthy actually knows the outcome. Yeah, 680 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: part of what I'm hearing is they may stay in 681 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: tonight and try and get all this done so that 682 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: they can start a day of business tomorrow and and 683 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: and head home for the weekend. So that certainly would 684 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: be typical you know, of the House. But look, I 685 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: mean it, I think that that if there is one 686 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 1: thing that has worked this week is the McCarthy team 687 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: has kept any other candidate from becoming a option, uh 688 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: inside this deal, and so the renegades have had to deal, 689 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: you know, had to basically place their votes on people 690 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: who didn't even want them, and and and and never 691 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: really uh, we're able to grow that that situation. So 692 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: whatever deal struck is going to be based on the 693 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: fact that they can sell it to the balance of 694 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: the caucus, the other two hundred who haven't been straying 695 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: away from McCarthy. So I wouldn't I wouldn't think there'd 696 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: be a backlash and all of a sudden, you're gonna 697 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: have more people peeling off. I think people at this 698 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: stage array to have McCarthy become speaker, and they're they're 699 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: prepared to sign on the dotted line. The fact that 700 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 1: this is in writing, means that the negotiations have ended. 701 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: Now they're just pencil webbon This thing amazing stuff. We're 702 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: gonna let you know as soon as this becomes reality. 703 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: And again this could come late in the night tomorrow, 704 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: we don't know. But I'd like to get back to 705 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: where we started this hour, and that is with the 706 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: clerk of the U. S. House no remember elect having 707 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 1: received the majority of the votes cast a speaker has 708 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: not been elected. Her name is Cheryl Johnson, and she's 709 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 1: the person who's been presiding over this whole exercise while 710 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: the House waits for leadership. And this is a public 711 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: servant you should know about. We talked about the palls 712 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: all day long. She has had this job for almost 713 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: four years. So yes, she was there on January six 714 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: Leadhouse impeachment managers as they carried articles of impeachment against 715 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump twice. It's from New Orleans, went to school 716 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: for journalism University of Iowa, has a law degree from 717 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 1: Howard University, and was, in fact that one time director 718 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: of the Smithsonian's Office of Government Relations. She's been around 719 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: town for a number of years and in the middle 720 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: of this right now, Genie, this is a person who 721 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: should be a household name. That's right, first time in 722 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: history a black woman in charge of the House. She 723 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: was a historic choice by Nancy Pelosi, and she's done 724 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: a magnificent job at a really tough time in the House. 725 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: What do you think, Rick, these are the people that 726 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: really actually make the gears turn in Washington. Yeah. I 727 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: wish there were more Cheryl Johnson's who were well known 728 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: to the public. It could improve maybe the public's view 729 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: of government service, which I still contend is is one 730 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: of the greatest ways you can serve your country is 731 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: by getting elected and becoming a professional staff member and 732 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: participating in the political process. So just because we've been 733 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: really rid of quelling everybody for the last three doesn't 734 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: mean it is an important And Cheryl Johnson has done 735 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: a miraculous job with no rules and no leadership and 736 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: and all UH member a lex So kudos David Yl, 737 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: Jeanie Chanzano and yes, thank you Cheryl Johnson, Mim, Joe Matthew. 738 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg