Speaker 1: I and this might be an unpopular opinion. I think
Speaker 1: Kenya should move on from the Housewives of Atlanta, but.
Speaker 2: Not for reasons that people that I love.
Speaker 1: I love Kenya. She is one of the most strikingly
Speaker 1: beautiful people I've ever seen. But every season, people it's
Speaker 1: like they get on the show and they want to
Speaker 1: take shots at Kenya. It's like it's become a storyline.
Speaker 2: At this point.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned, We'll get into my conversation right after these
Speaker 3: quick ads. Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me
Speaker 3: Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and one of
Speaker 3: the most sought after executive producers in reality television with
Speaker 3: over ten years of production experience.
Speaker 4: Twice a week on Reality with.
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Speaker 3: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, and revisit unforgettable
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Speaker 4: So rain drops today.
Speaker 3: You know, look, I'm always in this chipper mood. I
Speaker 3: get super thrilled to talk about all things reality television.
Speaker 4: I'm not in the best mood today.
Speaker 1: I'm scared to ask why not? Why you aren't in
Speaker 1: the best mood?
Speaker 4: I got some shocking news for you, Jazz Maine.
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this when it comes to you know,
Speaker 1: I'm never ready for shocking news when it comes from
Speaker 1: Carlos King.
Speaker 2: But as every other thing, I also don't have a choice.
Speaker 3: So we got to get into one of the episodes,
Speaker 3: most recent episodes, I should say, of the Real Housewives
Speaker 3: of Atlanta and how it was by far the worst
Speaker 3: episode I've ever seen in the show's franchise.
Speaker 1: Wait, out of all five hundred million episodes of Atlanta,
Speaker 1: you have identified a worst episode ever.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I'm not listening. I'm not happy about.
Speaker 2: It, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: But we have to discuss it because it was the
Speaker 3: first time, Jazmine, that I watched an episode and I
Speaker 3: literally had to turn off the TV right I did
Speaker 3: not watch marthon Medicine, which we'll get into later, because
Speaker 3: that show, Honey is having its best season.
Speaker 4: To me, I love it so much.
Speaker 3: So it's not even about just like the state of
Speaker 3: reality TV. I think it's the state of the Real
Speaker 3: Housewives of Atlanta. So it's episode eleven of this season
Speaker 3: and the episode title was Cabin Fever. Carlos King got
Speaker 3: a fever fever watching the show. I was not feeling
Speaker 3: good after watching that episode. I was in a very
Speaker 3: bad mood because it was sort of like, remember that
Speaker 3: dance we used to do or game I should say,
Speaker 3: in middle school and don't try.
Speaker 4: Because I know you're twenty three.
Speaker 2: I was a watched No. Twenty three. We're gonna run
Speaker 2: with that one for real.
Speaker 1: You reference middle school a lot, and it's like it
Speaker 1: was a different time for me, baby, So you have
Speaker 1: to let me know what the dance was that you
Speaker 1: and your people were doing, don't. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if I was able to dance yet.
Speaker 3: The shade is real, guys, So remember that little tongue
Speaker 3: as a tongo whatever?
Speaker 4: How low can't you go? How low can't you go?
Speaker 2: The limbo?
Speaker 4: I think it's the limbo.
Speaker 3: So I did not think this show could get lower
Speaker 3: than what it was in episode twelve, gotcha.
Speaker 2: I was wondering where we were going with that.
Speaker 3: It was the lowest of lows. And before I get
Speaker 3: into my.
Speaker 4: Whole diatrop about it, do.
Speaker 3: You at least agree with me somewhat about this Cabin
Speaker 3: Fever episode being horrendous?
Speaker 1: I will say I don't know that I would consider
Speaker 1: it the worst episode in Real Housewives of Atlanta history.
Speaker 1: What I will say, we are a far cry from
Speaker 1: the golden days of Atlanta, and we have been for
Speaker 1: a while. So I imagine it could feel like this entire
Speaker 1: season is like what is really happening in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if I'm gonna agree with.
Speaker 1: You just here, because you still have the rest of
Speaker 1: the season to get through and we're not looking good.
Speaker 1: I'll say that we ain't looking good right now.
Speaker 4: Instead of Houston, we.
Speaker 3: Have a problem, Atlanta, we have a problem Jasmine. What
Speaker 3: made this episode bad to me is because yes, we've
Speaker 3: already talked about how the glory days of the Real
Speaker 3: house Spots of Atlanta's gone. We talked about that after
Speaker 3: me and Dave Quinn recap the premiere episode. I gave
Speaker 3: the premiere episode a B plus because I saw potential
Speaker 3: in what it could become. Marlow was becoming this force
Speaker 3: to be reckoned with, force multiplier but a force to
Speaker 3: be reckoned with, and two episodes of this season I
Speaker 3: gave a pluses too.
Speaker 4: So I've been very.
Speaker 3: Generous in terms of my honesty about things that are good.
Speaker 3: So I want to make sure that people know that
Speaker 3: the reason why this episode was horrible to me is
Speaker 3: because anytime.
Speaker 4: You have a cast trip.
Speaker 3: And marlow is going around acting like she paid for
Speaker 3: the cabin, she paid for the cars.
Speaker 2: Hold on, she didn't pay for any of that. Me,
Speaker 2: as a viewer, I didn't know.
Speaker 4: So let me explain this to you.
Speaker 3: Anytime there's a cast trip, cast members are not paying
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 4: Production pays for it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I have read that, and I'm sure the
Speaker 1: listeners will agree. But I have also read that when
Speaker 1: they have like these extravagant upgrades to their accommodations, that
Speaker 1: the cast members have to pay the difference. So I
Speaker 1: do think with in the cabin trip, I do feel
Speaker 1: like I was assuming she paid for some of it.
Speaker 4: No, she didn't pay for a thing.
Speaker 3: And listen, it's always nice for a reality start, in
Speaker 3: this case, a housewife to have ownership of the trip,
Speaker 3: you know, like, this is my trip.
Speaker 4: We're gonna do these events, all those things.
Speaker 3: I think the problem that the viewers are having with
Speaker 3: marlow is the fact that and listen, I've said Marlow's
Speaker 3: the moment I said Marlowe is.
Speaker 4: Saving the season. I still stand.
Speaker 3: By that, but it's like no one shows up to
Speaker 3: work and wants to work. The fact that they allowed
Speaker 3: three hours of these women standing outside of this rented
Speaker 3: Airbnb cabin and arguing about who's going to be in
Speaker 3: the Hughes car, and that nobody stood up and said
Speaker 3: this is bullshit. Be cause my thing is this, I
Speaker 3: have friends and we take trips in real life.
Speaker 4: No one's sitting around for three hours.
Speaker 3: I don't know how your friends get down make y'all
Speaker 3: are much younger than me, but I'm assuming.
Speaker 1: Now we don't send around for three hours. But that's
Speaker 1: because we also actually like each other when we travel,
Speaker 1: so there's never any friction of that magnitude. But I
Speaker 1: do think here's the thing with that scene. I think
Speaker 1: it's showed just how petty Marlow is willing to be,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like essential to telling the story
Speaker 1: of this beef that she has with Kenya. It feels
Speaker 1: very lopsided at this point because you can clearly tell
Speaker 1: that like, Kenya isn't really into it like that, but
Speaker 1: Marlow has so much vitriof for Kenya that it's coming
Speaker 1: across very dirty. It is coming, like you said, it
Speaker 1: is coming across very low, and it's leaving us as
Speaker 1: viewers to wonder, like why it feels like it's a
Speaker 1: lot deeper, right, Like she's using any instance of Kenya
Speaker 1: pissy hoop just a little bit to really dig deep.
Speaker 1: And I think we're all wondering, like, why exactly are
Speaker 1: you so hell bent on beefing with Kenya? Is it
Speaker 1: for a storyline? Do you really have some deep seated
Speaker 1: hate tred for this woman? Like is it jealousy?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: We all want to know.
Speaker 4: I think it's a lot of those things.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I think at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, Marlowe really wants.
Speaker 4: To be friends with Kenya.
Speaker 3: I agree, marlow is very sensitive, and when she was
Speaker 3: on Reality with the King, I said that to her,
Speaker 3: like you're very sensitive. Marlowe really wants Kenya to respect
Speaker 3: her as a peach holder. That's what all this is, guys.
Speaker 3: What you guys are watching, is Marlowe really trying to
Speaker 3: tell Kenya, I'm meant to be here and you need
Speaker 3: to respect me. And because we live now in reality TV,
Speaker 3: which is why now we're breaking the fourth wall on
Speaker 3: love and marriage Huntsville, we're breaking the fourth wall on.
Speaker 4: Love and marriage DC.
Speaker 3: The fact that we open up the show saying, we
Speaker 3: open up the show saying Monique Samuels is from Potomac
Speaker 3: Housewives and this is her second chance at reality TV,
Speaker 3: because we weren't going to fool the audience like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm from DC and I'm married to this former bro bod,
Speaker 3: You're from Potomac, So we lean into that. So I
Speaker 3: wish we could have leaned into marlow telling Kenya like,
Speaker 3: I feel like you don't respect me as a peachholder.
Speaker 3: You've been allegedly hating on me getting a peach. I
Speaker 3: have one, I have a trip. You don't want to
Speaker 3: give me my flowers? And listen, y'all know. I love
Speaker 3: Kenya and the ground she walks on. I do believe
Speaker 3: a part of what was happening on the trip was
Speaker 3: Kenya just doesn't like marlow And I don't think Kenya
Speaker 3: believes that Marlowe deserves to be on the same stage
Speaker 3: as she, and that's what we've been watching for this
Speaker 3: past twelve, thirteen, fourteen episodes.
Speaker 2: I agree, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I partially agree the way back that Marlowe feels and
Speaker 1: talks to and just always tries to dig at Kenya.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's so much more personal than just
Speaker 1: her not respecting her as a peachholder. I feel like,
Speaker 1: if they weren't on the Real Housewives of Atlanta, I
Speaker 1: think marlow just wants she wants Kenya's approval just as
Speaker 1: a human being. I think think Marlowe feels like her
Speaker 1: and Kenya come from the same type of place. They
Speaker 1: both have really strange relationships with their mother, right, they
Speaker 1: were raised by other people. They're you know, around the
Speaker 1: same age. I think that more than anything, marlow sees
Speaker 1: herself in Kenya, But I think she doesn't believe that
Speaker 1: Kenya's respects her as a person. I think Marlowe feels
Speaker 1: inadequate when it comes to Kenya, and because of that,
Speaker 1: she really wants Kenya to accept her and like her
Speaker 1: as a contemporary, and I think she thinks that Kenya
Speaker 1: looks down on her.
Speaker 3: It begs the question, what does another season look like
Speaker 3: if that's going to be the case, Because Kenya has
Speaker 3: said publicly that Marlowe said things about Kenya's child that
Speaker 3: they did not air because it.
Speaker 4: Was that bad.
Speaker 2: Are you serious?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, So that's the issue.
Speaker 3: And when people want to talk about editing whatever, you know,
Speaker 3: cast members love to bring that up even on my shows.
Speaker 3: I will say, at least for that particular episode, Well,
Speaker 3: what have helped is if Kenya could have sent her
Speaker 3: confessionals Marlowe just said something super discussing about my child
Speaker 3: and I'm done, So that way we could understand why
Speaker 3: she was so held bent on not being around her
Speaker 3: or messing with her. But because a, we are being
Speaker 3: fool that you pay for this trip Marlowe. B there's
Speaker 3: like Jasmin said, there's something deeper to this relationship that
Speaker 3: you guys aren't talking about. And three we now know
Speaker 3: that Marlowe allegedly says something super horrible about Brooklyn, where
Speaker 3: Kenya said publicly, there's nothing for me and Marlowe to
Speaker 3: ever talk about ever again.
Speaker 4: That's how bad it was.
Speaker 3: Is there a future of this show with Marlowe and
Speaker 3: Kenya if Kenya refuses to ever give marlow the time
Speaker 3: of day.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I and this might be an
Speaker 1: unpopular opinion. I think Kenya should move on from the
Speaker 1: Housewives of Atlanta, but not for reasons.
Speaker 2: I love Kenya.
Speaker 1: She is one of the most strikingly beautiful people I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. But every season people it's like they get
Speaker 1: on the show and they want to take shots at Kenya.
Speaker 1: It's like it's become a storyline at this point. Who
Speaker 1: can be with Kenya? Like you all come for the
Speaker 1: same things with her, Like she doesn't have a man
Speaker 1: her butt like all of this, and it's like still
Speaker 1: it feels stale to me at this point, and it
Speaker 1: feels like they're just doing it because it's low hanging fruit.
Speaker 1: Not that Kenya is low hanging fruit, but there are
Speaker 1: a lot of these things that they feel like they
Speaker 1: can say about her because she plays the villain role, right,
Speaker 1: So I think Kenya should move on from the show
Speaker 1: and let them find somebody else to play with because
Speaker 1: they're playing.
Speaker 2: With my girl.
Speaker 1: And I really don't like it, because while Kenya presents
Speaker 1: as a strong woman, I know that all of these
Speaker 1: things can be good on her mental health. Like she's
Speaker 1: going through a really tumultuous divorce with her husband who
Speaker 1: is the father of her child. And then you are
Speaker 1: telling me that Marlo says something about her child. How
Speaker 1: much or can you get? And how much more can
Speaker 1: this woman take? I don't like seeing people just getting
Speaker 1: beat up on like that. And she she holds her
Speaker 1: own don't get me wrong, she holds her on and
Speaker 1: I think throughout the seasons we've seen her really play
Speaker 1: up this villain role, and like there have been times
Speaker 1: with Kenya Wro, I'm like, no, you totally deserve that
Speaker 1: read or that argument was justified. But at this point,
Speaker 1: it feels like people come on here and their direct
Speaker 1: line is to try to fuck with Kenya, and I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of that part.
Speaker 1: So if Marlowe stays, I think Kenya should move on
Speaker 1: because it's going to be another season of Marlowe trying
Speaker 1: to get under kenya skin.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to keep seeing that.
Speaker 3: God you just I mean, I think your comment is
Speaker 3: way more.
Speaker 4: They're my.
Speaker 2: But I love Kenya.
Speaker 1: I would love to see her on something else where
Speaker 1: people aren't constantly trying to like tear her down every scene.
Speaker 2: I would love to keep seeing her.
Speaker 1: But I don't like what's happening with Atlanta and how
Speaker 1: they're they're doing her.
Speaker 2: It's not fair.
Speaker 3: And like you said, one thing about Kenya and the
Speaker 3: reason why she was number four on the Greatest Houseflies
Speaker 3: of All Time list of mine is because, like you said,
Speaker 3: she's a fun villain.
Speaker 4: She makes mistakes. There's been times I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, Kenya, you tried it, but she owns it and
Speaker 3: she apologizes and she keeps it moving because she wants
Speaker 3: to make a great show.
Speaker 4: Wow. Oh I didn't guys, I didn't know she was
Speaker 4: going to say that.
Speaker 3: I'm actually gagging, but I'm trying to collect my thoughts,
Speaker 3: like how collect my coins?
Speaker 2: So, look, do you think Marlow should get another seasons? Pog?
Speaker 4: I want to.
Speaker 3: This is why I love talking to Jazz because she
Speaker 3: and I like Yin and Yang. I was going to
Speaker 3: ask you that are you saying, because girl, are you
Speaker 3: saying that you would prefer have the show continue without
Speaker 3: Kenya or would you like it to continue without Marlow?
Speaker 2: Oh? That's that's tough.
Speaker 1: That's tough because had I not known that Marlo said
Speaker 1: something about Brooklyn Kingya's daughter, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: would feel that strongly about maybe us not seeing her
Speaker 1: full time next season. But like when you talk about
Speaker 1: people's children, a baby, like kids are off limits and
Speaker 1: if you said something that was so vile that it
Speaker 1: could not be aired, that is not shade to me.
Speaker 2: That's that is evil.
Speaker 1: That is just low for even reality TV like you
Speaker 1: need to go over to I don't know Zeus or something,
Speaker 1: and this is all like I going into this season,
Speaker 1: I was really happy to see Marlowe right, and I
Speaker 1: think marlow can provide a really good TV. But I
Speaker 1: think she said it when she was on your show.
Speaker 1: She's like, I can't read, so I go low and
Speaker 1: I go for the jugular. But there was a time
Speaker 1: when Atlanta as much shade as they as shady as
Speaker 1: they have been, there was a time when like this
Speaker 1: would be considered too low brow. I think to talk
Speaker 1: about somebody's children and child in that way, and I
Speaker 1: know there's been comments, Like Nini talked about Kim's kids
Speaker 1: like they have there have been comments, but those kids
Speaker 1: were grown. If I'm not mistaken her, no me.
Speaker 3: When Nini spoke about Brille, Brielle was over the age
Speaker 3: of eighteen, and Nini Mimi brought her up because Brielle
Speaker 3: alleged that Nini had cockroaches in her house, and then
Speaker 3: Nini went in.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna repeat, she said, but nieddie and she
Speaker 5: felt like, you're over the age of eighteen, so I
Speaker 5: could go.
Speaker 1: In, right, So when you're over eighteen, you are an adult. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you might catch a stray or two, but baby,
Speaker 1: come on now, Marlowe. And like I said, I was
Speaker 1: really excited for Marlowe. I think she had some really
Speaker 1: good moments even this season, Like you had a whole
Speaker 1: episode about how she is a moment. But hearing that,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't know that. I want somebody
Speaker 1: want to watch someone who's willing to go that low.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's an opportunity for marlow to
Speaker 3: grow and listen, I don't know what she said exactly,
Speaker 3: so everything is speculation, but I do think at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, one thing I've always known about
Speaker 3: those women working with them since season one. They had
Speaker 3: one cardinal rule that kids are off limits, and marlow
Speaker 3: if you're listening, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: you should apologize to Kenya if you said something about
Speaker 3: her child.
Speaker 4: Again, it's all speculation.
Speaker 3: I'm basically this off of what Kenya said in other interviews,
Speaker 3: But I do agree with you jas when in terms
Speaker 3: of I just don't know what the future of the
Speaker 3: show can be with those two coexisting. Unless there's a
Speaker 3: heartfelt apology at the reunion, that's what's going to be
Speaker 3: needed in order for them to move on.
Speaker 4: But I want to ask my brain drops.
Speaker 3: And I want you guys to tweet me hashtag Reality
Speaker 3: with the King.
Speaker 4: I have a question, who would you choose.
Speaker 3: To move on with the show? Kenya or Marlowe? Do
Speaker 3: you guys think both can coexist? And if not, who
Speaker 3: should stay? Who should leave? Between Kenya and Marlowe? Let
Speaker 3: us know and make sure you hashtag Reality.
Speaker 4: With the King.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after some quick ads. This is
Speaker 3: Reality with the King. We got to talk about a
Speaker 3: dog with a bone.
Speaker 4: Drew, you know what, Drew is?
Speaker 1: Eleven forty five PM. Okay, late, honey, very late, very
Speaker 1: very late. It feels so forced to me at this point. Girl,
Speaker 1: you brought props, Like you know, we're in we're reality
Speaker 1: TV fanatics. We're not opposed to a good prop, but
Speaker 1: it just felt so extra and so force, like you
Speaker 1: were really trying to have a moment and she did it,
Speaker 1: and I was looking at my TV like, you know,
Speaker 1: I should turn this shit off right now because at
Speaker 1: this point, what I'm watching a I'm watching a musical.
Speaker 1: I'm watching some type of like urban.
Speaker 2: Music. I'm watching that Mother's Love.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's it was giving very like I'm I'm acting,
Speaker 1: I'm giving you stage flight, like I just I wasn't
Speaker 1: feeling that moment at all. It was it was way
Speaker 1: too much like And here's the thing about Drew. I
Speaker 1: think Drew has a lot of potential, but she just
Speaker 1: does the most. She does the most, and it makes
Speaker 1: it really hard to root for a character when I
Speaker 1: feel like, every time the camera is on you, you're like,
Speaker 1: how can I get a moment?
Speaker 2: How can I become iconic?
Speaker 1: You become an icon by just really being yourself, not
Speaker 1: being over the top the way that Drew has been like,
Speaker 1: and she's so pretty. I think she has a beautiful voice,
Speaker 1: she has a nice family, Like there are so many
Speaker 1: other things about Drew that you can stand for, but
Speaker 1: she's trying to make us stand her as it's like
Speaker 1: super shady. I know how to read down and it's
Speaker 1: always feeling forced. But I will say this, that moment
Speaker 1: in the season when Sonya or Sanya go ahead, right
Speaker 1: when she was just doing the most about Drew, she
Speaker 1: made me go over to drew side because I was like, Mama,
Speaker 1: you are being so unlikable right now that I'm I
Speaker 1: have to root for Drew in this moment because she
Speaker 1: really wasn't doing anything to you and you were trying
Speaker 1: to get a moment. But yeah, that dog with the
Speaker 1: bone shit, girl, don't ever, do not ever do that
Speaker 1: shit again.
Speaker 4: I'm still stuck on E Love and fifty nine. Late, Honey,
Speaker 4: that may have been the.
Speaker 3: Best read I've ever heard of reality with the keys
Speaker 3: stop that I am standing for it.
Speaker 4: I could not agree with you more.
Speaker 3: I too, am hard on Drew because I see so
Speaker 3: much potential in her and I feel like that's when
Speaker 3: you need a producer to say to you, girl, that
Speaker 3: was late, and you are late, and that's not okay.
Speaker 3: And let me tell y'all what I used to do
Speaker 3: when I was working on that particular show. Because producing
Speaker 3: the real house Spots of Atlanta is the hardest job
Speaker 3: in reality television. There's a lot of pressure to make
Speaker 3: the show great. The fans put so much pressure to
Speaker 3: make sure that the show has a great season. But
Speaker 3: no one should have told Drew, this isn't a movie set.
Speaker 3: This isn't, like you said, a mother's love or in
Speaker 3: this case, a dog bounty hunter. Like you are so
Speaker 3: unlikable because you're not being yourself and you feel like
Speaker 3: in order for you to be relevant and a peach holder,
Speaker 3: you have to do these extremities. And that, to me
Speaker 3: is just a larger conversation about this season. No one's
Speaker 3: having real conversations anymore. No one's having real life moments
Speaker 3: of vulnerability. My favorite scene so far is when Marlow
Speaker 3: and Charae had that sisterhood moment where she told Scharay,
Speaker 3: you're better than dating a guy who was standing you
Speaker 3: up in Philly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the moment when Candy gave Charae business advice
Speaker 3: about she by Charae.
Speaker 4: We're missing those natural moments.
Speaker 3: I feel like this season was do or die for
Speaker 3: a lot of these women, and and.
Speaker 4: I feel like they.
Speaker 3: Are behaving in a way where they think having an
Speaker 3: argument it means a scene is good.
Speaker 4: And I have to tell you, guys, newsflash.
Speaker 3: The reason why people love white refrigerator moment from Nini
Speaker 3: Leaks is because it was a natural moment. When Cynthia
Speaker 3: and Nini had that moment in Savannah where Nini made
Speaker 3: a comment about Cynthia's parenting that made Cynthia cry.
Speaker 4: It was a natural moment.
Speaker 3: Gone are the days of these women just sitting down
Speaker 3: and joining each other's company. And I feel like everybody
Speaker 3: is looking for a moment, everybody's looking for a read.
Speaker 3: I am so fucking pissed off at every single housewife
Speaker 3: on that franchise who had the audacity to say.
Speaker 4: An interview this was a great season, because it's not.
Speaker 2: You're saying. They were relying to us.
Speaker 3: In my Mariy povid choice, the lie detector states that
Speaker 3: was a lie. And the reason why I'm pissed is
Speaker 3: because y'all know the difference between good desperate in a moment.
Speaker 3: And the reason why I'm so passionate about that is
Speaker 3: because you're letting future reality starts think like, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: if I argue with a bitch, that's a good scene,
Speaker 3: or if I bring up prop of a dog bone,
Speaker 3: that's a good scene, or if I hit below the belt,
Speaker 3: that's a good scene. No, that's not what it is.
Speaker 3: The reason why the Love and Marriage franchise is doing well,
Speaker 3: thank you God, is.
Speaker 4: Because those are real life moments.
Speaker 3: Melody Martel in fidelity situation, Titia Marceau's marriage, you know,
Speaker 3: Kimmy and Tsha's relationship as sister in laws, Like it's
Speaker 3: stuff that you are investing in because it's real life moments,
Speaker 3: and the fact that this season only had one moment
Speaker 3: of vulnerability pisses me off. And it's to the point
Speaker 3: now where I no longer know if I'm able to
Speaker 3: get recaps on this season anymore.
Speaker 4: After that bullshit that.
Speaker 1: I watched, Well, that was a mouthful from you. Very
Speaker 1: strong feelings, very strong opinions. I have rebuttals, if you will.
Speaker 1: Candy and Kenya are doing exactly what they have been doing.
Speaker 2: They know what to do.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, people, we can say whatever we
Speaker 1: want about Candy. I think Candy always has something going on,
Speaker 1: and that's always gonna make her a great contender for
Speaker 1: a reality TV show because there's always something that you
Speaker 1: can film with Candy. You know Kenya, she's gonna play
Speaker 1: your a villain, but she's also someone you just love
Speaker 1: looking at her on TV. She's going to interact, She's
Speaker 1: going to do that. So they are kind of doing
Speaker 1: exactly what we know them to do. With the newer
Speaker 1: girls that I think are not really they don't really
Speaker 1: hit the bill right now. And I think what Atlanta needs,
Speaker 1: honestly for me, a complete overhaul of the cast. I
Speaker 1: will not be opposed to them coming back next season
Speaker 1: with a completely new cast now and they're going to
Speaker 1: keep one or two people but just to like make
Speaker 1: it feel like the same show. But I would not
Speaker 1: be opposed to that. I will watch that.
Speaker 2: The other correction for you there.
Speaker 1: There have been some moments I love in Marriage runs Field, though,
Speaker 1: where I'm like that was a little theatrical.
Speaker 4: Tell me and i'll and i'll, let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: Give me an example.
Speaker 2: I got coins to make, not friends to fake.
Speaker 1: I was like, girl, I know you knew the cameras
Speaker 1: is gonna be there, and you wanted to get that
Speaker 1: line off.
Speaker 2: I know you were waiting on that on that moment.
Speaker 3: But let me stop you there. I'm fine with you
Speaker 3: having a rehearse read.
Speaker 4: That's a quote. I'm cool with that. But again, that's
Speaker 4: what Atlanta was known for, like very true half a fay.
Speaker 3: Dress reads were rehearsed, no shade fact. So I don't
Speaker 3: mind to rehearse read. Don't give me a rehearse prop.
Speaker 1: Okay, As you all like to really correlate everything with
Speaker 1: Zoodi X science, I'm a Libra, so I'm balance, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna give it to one one cast, We're gonna
Speaker 1: give it to the other. All the girls on reality
Speaker 1: TV right now are searching for moments they want to
Speaker 1: be these iconic reality TV stars. Are we done with
Speaker 1: the day of the organic reality TV icon? Is that
Speaker 1: a thing of the past? Can we have that again?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna get our Ninni leaks? Are Tiffany Pollards like?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna get those girls ever?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 3: That's a very good question. And I will say this
Speaker 3: to you yes and again not to to my own horn.
Speaker 3: When you look at Ashley Silva from Love and Marriage DC,
Speaker 3: who is a natural and she speaks her mind and
Speaker 3: is off the cuff. When you look at Winter Williams
Speaker 3: I haven't seen since Danielle Style and Kenya Moore a
Speaker 3: woman who walks barefoot on a line of hot holes
Speaker 3: and continues to enter the scene knowing that there may
Speaker 3: be all of this visceral that's coming her way.
Speaker 4: So I do think there can be.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this, and this may be controversial, but
Speaker 3: it's my truth. I think it's much more challenging from
Speaker 3: the Housewives franchise because everybody is afraid of losing their
Speaker 3: job and they feel like if I need to hold
Speaker 3: this peach, hold this diamond, hold this apple, this champagne
Speaker 3: flute or whatever. I have to be great immediately or
Speaker 3: I'm going to get fired like Noela, doctor Jen Shamari,
Speaker 3: Claudia Jordan.
Speaker 4: You know these one season housewives.
Speaker 3: I think everybody does not want to be a one
Speaker 3: season housewife, so their desperation comes across so clear. And
Speaker 3: my other example for you, Jasmine is Lisa Renna had
Speaker 3: this stupid ass argument with Sutton in her backyard where
Speaker 3: I thought I was watching Days of Our Lives, Young
Speaker 3: and the Restless, all my children passions and maybe a
Speaker 3: little bit of.
Speaker 4: Pretty little lies. I was like, she.
Speaker 3: Gave such a weird performance where she said take you down.
Speaker 4: And then at two seconds laughed and said, oh, I'm drunk.
Speaker 3: No one did anything because they all knew, Lisa, you're
Speaker 3: acting going on the days where you are naturally yourself.
Speaker 3: And I think the fear for these housewives is I
Speaker 3: don't want to lose my job because I don't want
Speaker 3: to be unemployed, so I gotta be desperate and just
Speaker 3: have a moment.
Speaker 2: You mentioned like Ashley in Winter.
Speaker 1: I mean, think of your top five greatest reality TV
Speaker 1: stars of all time.
Speaker 2: That bar is high as hell.
Speaker 1: Nobody in one season is ever gonna be up there
Speaker 1: for me, nobody. I need to see a lot more
Speaker 1: from you before I can ever kind of like bestow
Speaker 1: that title on somebody in their rookie season.
Speaker 4: Agreed.
Speaker 3: Just so I'm clear, I wasn't saying they are that now.
Speaker 3: I was saying they have potential to be that. And like,
Speaker 3: I also think Melody Hope is somebody that has potential
Speaker 3: to be somebody.
Speaker 4: Oh you disagree.
Speaker 1: I think that Melody comes across on TV. I can
Speaker 1: tell that Melody is very aware of how she is
Speaker 1: being perceived when she's on camera, and there's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with that as a person, right, because I'm perception is everything.
Speaker 1: Right In my opinion, that's gonna really stifle mel from
Speaker 1: ever becoming like iconic on reality TV. In my I
Speaker 1: think what happened, like the situation around her is something
Speaker 1: that is like historic, It's like reality TV history, right.
Speaker 1: But I think her as a person, I think once
Speaker 1: she became aware that like everything about her was being
Speaker 1: kind of picked apart and being talked about, She's a
Speaker 1: different person in this season that I'm seeing with Love
Speaker 1: and Mayor Chunsville, and I don't know if that she
Speaker 1: loosens up a bit in the second half that is
Speaker 1: coming September tenth, But I think I have been watching her,
Speaker 1: maybe like last season, in the first half of this
Speaker 1: season saying like she's different.
Speaker 2: But I agree with you.
Speaker 1: When she first came on the scene, she did have
Speaker 1: the makings of everything that I think we all want. Beautiful,
Speaker 1: amazing family, not afraid to like jump right into conflict
Speaker 1: with people. And then the big skin like that right
Speaker 1: there already puts you a step above the rest, cause
Speaker 1: now you're giving us story and it's not fake. That's
Speaker 1: your real life, and it's unfortunate that your real life
Speaker 1: has become our entertainment. But she had all the makings
Speaker 1: and it was like, I don't know if the divorce
Speaker 1: took a toll on her the opinions of everybody watching,
Speaker 1: But she's a different person now than she was before.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that I can feel like she's
Speaker 1: still on her way to the iconic label.
Speaker 3: Okay, what I will say is you're going to see
Speaker 3: a new side of her in this upcoming season, Like
Speaker 3: you said that air September tenth, and I think you're
Speaker 3: going to see the old melody hope, and I'll just
Speaker 3: leave it at that.
Speaker 2: Welcome.
Speaker 3: But I agree with you in the sense of we
Speaker 3: just need to get back to reality stars just being real.
Speaker 3: And that's the reason why you and I love this
Speaker 3: new College He'll reboot on BT that has any Leagues
Speaker 3: back on.
Speaker 4: Top of it.
Speaker 3: Yes, greatest Housewife of all time, But tell me why
Speaker 3: you love College Hells Celebrity Edition so much.
Speaker 1: It just feels fresh to me, and I think that
Speaker 1: is also what's missing. I think the other thing is
Speaker 1: I've really had to manage my expectation. And this is
Speaker 1: kind of even going back into that conversation about who
Speaker 1: was iconic, I think we got iconic reality TV stars
Speaker 1: because they were just kind of the first of their kind.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: We had never seen in New York on TV before,
Speaker 1: never seen any NYE leaks on TV before, So I
Speaker 1: think they were able to become staples because we just
Speaker 1: hadn't seen them. And like, when I was watching the
Speaker 1: first couple episodes of College Hill, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know it's a reboot of the show College Hill,
Speaker 1: but the concept just felt fresh. It's like, we're taking
Speaker 1: these celebrities and we're sending them back to college and
Speaker 1: like they actually have to attend classes.
Speaker 2: For credit and grades.
Speaker 1: And it was like, Hey, this is something that I
Speaker 1: want to watch, Like is it the most entertaining thing
Speaker 1: I've ever seen on television? No, but the concept feels fresh,
Speaker 1: and I think that's just what I'm looking for. Like
Speaker 1: we talked about like watching women go to lunch and
Speaker 1: then get mad and throw drinks on each other, or
Speaker 1: you know, go to each other's birthday parties. Like for me,
Speaker 1: College Hill, it's putting us in a completely different arena
Speaker 1: and with people that I really didn't think I cared
Speaker 1: to know more about outside of Nini leaks. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love watching ray J. I feel like ray J
Speaker 1: is forever entertaining. But you know, I never really thought
Speaker 1: twice about like seeing lamar Odom on TV again after
Speaker 1: we saw him, Like with Chloe all those years ago.
Speaker 1: India Westbrook is on there. She's just a beautiful girl
Speaker 1: that I've seen on Instagram. I never had the urge
Speaker 1: to want to know more about her outside of the
Speaker 1: fact that that's a beautiful woman, like dreamed off she
Speaker 1: was on Backgirls Club, but she was on there after
Speaker 1: I had already started watching, so I just kind of
Speaker 1: wrote her off too. It's like I wasn't interested when
Speaker 1: she was on TV, but what the show has done
Speaker 1: is like, especially with India, you have to watch like
Speaker 1: her storyline and like kind of some of the things
Speaker 1: that she shares on there feel really personal. And so
Speaker 1: I think it's just a fresh take on a concept
Speaker 1: and then also like a cast that it's made me
Speaker 1: interested in people that I don't think I would have
Speaker 1: normally been interested in.
Speaker 3: I agree with everything you're saying about that, in addition
Speaker 3: to the fact that gone are the days where women
Speaker 3: have lunch and argueing and throw drinks, right, which is
Speaker 3: also why Merriton Medicine is having to me it's best
Speaker 3: season and that's nine seasons in. And I think the
Speaker 3: reason why Mariton Medicine is one of the top two
Speaker 3: I'm going to say it best shows on Bravo is
Speaker 3: because those women are still real although they've been on
Speaker 3: reality TV for so long. Toya still gives me. Toya
Speaker 3: from season one. Heavenly is a ham Quad is somebody
Speaker 3: who I felt was conscious of the cameras at one
Speaker 3: point in time, right, Doctor Jackie and Simone. That's a
Speaker 3: Steller cast Contessa.
Speaker 4: This season is so good.
Speaker 3: And I really want people to know how good it is.
Speaker 4: You gotta watch it.
Speaker 3: It's it goes to show you that an ensemble cast
Speaker 3: of women can be on TV for almost ten years
Speaker 3: and still have relatability qualities in them.
Speaker 1: Married to medicine worked and has always worked, because I
Speaker 1: feel like they are friends in the off season, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like they actually interact with each other. When
Speaker 1: Simone and doctor Jackie were beefing, I was like, y'all
Speaker 1: better make the fuck up. Like I'm not living in
Speaker 1: a world where doctor Jackie and Simone are not friends.
Speaker 1: Like when Ciso and someone were like having their marital issues,
Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all better make the fuck up, because I'm
Speaker 1: not living in the.
Speaker 2: World where Ciso and some are not married, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like they feel like such a community, and that I
Speaker 1: think is what works. I was very turned off. I
Speaker 1: feel like Contessa was severely overreacting to Heavenly and her
Speaker 1: home like it was.
Speaker 2: It was a lot for me.
Speaker 1: It was so much for me because yes, the general
Speaker 1: consensus is that yes, Contessa, she exposed her marriage last season,
Speaker 1: and that was for all of us to watch, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't for Heavenly as her friend to go on
Speaker 1: YouTube and start talking about like you just don't do that.
Speaker 1: And I kind of understand what Heavenly saying. Heavenly's like, look,
Speaker 1: you let the cameras capture it, but like you're her friend,
Speaker 1: some things are just off limits girl. But I do
Speaker 1: think that Contessa was just doing the most when she
Speaker 1: was confronting Heavenly. But outside of that, though, they are
Speaker 1: having a really a really good season.
Speaker 3: Yes agreat because I was like, I didn't know Contesta
Speaker 3: and Heavenly were that close, So it was very weird
Speaker 3: to me to see Contesta react that way and the
Speaker 3: Barney wig no shade to Heavenly's wigs.
Speaker 4: I think all the other ways look good.
Speaker 3: That purpose one Heavenly I would discontinue with the sticker
Speaker 3: number and the QR code. I was also lost, like
Speaker 3: she's running to her bedroom, she shut the door. I'm like,
Speaker 3: all because of Heavenly, Like I didn't know y'all two
Speaker 3: were that tight. But I really want Contessa and Heavily
Speaker 3: to work on their friendship because Heavenly is one of
Speaker 3: the greatest maritime medicine stars in the world and not
Speaker 3: saying that the show can't survive without her. I really
Speaker 3: think Marition Medicine is a show where they all need
Speaker 3: each other, like it's a true ensemble cast where they
Speaker 3: all support each other.
Speaker 4: There's no Queen Bee to me, which is great.
Speaker 3: He would think it's Doctor Jackie because she's just somebody
Speaker 3: that they all sort of like defer to.
Speaker 4: But I feel like they are a great team of players.
Speaker 2: They are, but I could do without Anila.
Speaker 1: Like if they come back next season and she's not there,
Speaker 1: I would not think twice about that.
Speaker 3: We never mentioned her until you did, because I forgot
Speaker 3: she was a part.
Speaker 4: Of the cast.
Speaker 3: And I think when I see her scenes, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you're on the wrong show.
Speaker 4: Sys Like it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't feel natural, Like she doesn't feel like a natural fit.
Speaker 1: And we have a lot of cast members and you know,
Speaker 1: come on later in seasons and they just end up
Speaker 1: jelling or meshing really well with the rest of the cast.
Speaker 1: Anita just is not sticking for me, and I don't
Speaker 1: know something about her feels like that that whole stunt
Speaker 1: that they pulled at the Halloween party. There's so much
Speaker 1: that could be said about Toya and Eugene's response to
Speaker 1: that and what's really going on with their finances. But
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that I walked away from that with
Speaker 1: is that it felt very mean spirited. Like it did
Speaker 1: not feel like I'm just poking shade at you. It
Speaker 1: felt like I really want to like dig in. Like
Speaker 1: I know y'all moved out of the neighborhood, Like we
Speaker 1: have this big ass house, y'all don't have yours anymore.
Speaker 1: Their speculation that there's some issues with your finances. I
Speaker 1: want to take the knife, not only just sticking in
Speaker 1: your back, but I want to turn that bitch.
Speaker 2: I want to turn. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, So that's what that felt like to me. It
Speaker 1: was like, and that's that's like my overall problem. It
Speaker 1: goes back to like the Atlanta conversation. Shit is starting
Speaker 1: to feel really low and like mean, and it's like
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like fun shade anymore. It feels like
Speaker 1: you're really trying to like make Toya and eug and
Speaker 1: go home and like cry in their rental home. And
Speaker 1: that's not cool to me.
Speaker 3: Yes, stop toddling her home as a rental home.
Speaker 4: It's so disrespectful, y'all. Don't do it. Tod Reach on
Speaker 4: Beverly Hills. Don't do that to Toya.
Speaker 3: She's honest about her home being rented, Like, like, stop it.
Speaker 3: I think that's so low blow and it's low brow
Speaker 3: all the rest of these girls renting their homes and
Speaker 3: their husbands and the storylines. Jas Man, we talked a
Speaker 3: lot about these reality shows. But before I let you go,
Speaker 3: the new season of Bell Collective is currently airing Fridays
Speaker 3: at nine o'clock a Central on the Oprah Winpen Network.
Speaker 3: You caught the first episode, so give me your very
Speaker 3: quick recap of what you think about this season.
Speaker 1: I am excited, you know. I congrat see you for
Speaker 1: getting a second season. I think the first season a
Speaker 1: Bell Collective I didn't finish. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: They are kind of unlikable to me. When we talk
Speaker 1: about people who are very aware of cameras being around them,
Speaker 1: very aware of what their perception will be, very much
Speaker 1: are trying to make sure they cement themselves as suitable
Speaker 1: reality TV figures most of those ladies on their feel
Speaker 1: like that. For me, I think the only one that
Speaker 1: didn't was camera just off the rip. It was like
Speaker 1: it's just they felt mean when we talk about Southern
Speaker 1: bells and Southern women like it's like warm, they want
Speaker 1: to make you biscuits, they want to feed you. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of the Bell Collective ladies in the first
Speaker 1: season just came off like they were all really like
Speaker 1: kind of competing with each other. They wanted to be
Speaker 1: like super just Caddy, and it wasn't endearing. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing when I watch reality TV, the things that
Speaker 1: I love most about people, even when they are shady
Speaker 1: and kind of mean, sometimes that they have like redeemable qualities.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was able to get that
Speaker 1: from those ladies. But what I will tell you is
Speaker 1: watching the first episode of season two, Marie season one,
Speaker 1: she was the one I was like, she is so mean,
Speaker 1: Like she was just so mean, Like it was hard
Speaker 1: to watch for me. But now knowing what I know
Speaker 1: about her, even just you know her mom, like the
Speaker 1: situation with her mom, her son losing his child's mother.
Speaker 1: She has a lot on her plates, and I think
Speaker 1: that can weigh anybody down. And so I think I'm
Speaker 1: coming into the second season just with like a different
Speaker 1: perspective and wanting to really give them a chance. Latisha, right,
Speaker 1: like the whole I'm a boss, like I have, you know,
Speaker 1: feelings about that that we don't have time for. But
Speaker 1: it just, you know, it didn't come off like super
Speaker 1: authentic to me. But I want to give them a chance.
Speaker 1: They're beautiful, you know, beautiful black women, like really trying
Speaker 1: to do stuff in Jackson, Mississippi. So I really want
Speaker 1: to give them a chance. So I'm locked in for
Speaker 1: season two. But season one, I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: get with these ladies.
Speaker 3: Yeah and listen, thank you for your honesty. And a
Speaker 3: lot of people off that season one to belt collective
Speaker 3: that they weren't mean and it was the pettiness of
Speaker 3: the wig drama and the hair. So I will say
Speaker 3: this season is a much different season. The concentration is
Speaker 3: definitely more on the couples, and you really get to
Speaker 3: see these friendships form and it's much more organic. It's
Speaker 3: much more interesting to see how they all navigate their
Speaker 3: relationships their career. So I'm happy you like the first
Speaker 3: episode of this new season, because girl, it is going
Speaker 3: to be a rollercoaster ride.
Speaker 4: So stay tuned.
Speaker 1: I'm locked in for the Bells, Jasmine. We have a lot,
Speaker 1: we did, we always are getting into it.
Speaker 4: Are you ready? For the shade that's gonna come your way.
Speaker 2: I'm never ready. Matter of fact, let me go to.
Speaker 1: Deactivate all my share right now because just like Marlowe, okay,
Speaker 1: I am sensitive as well.
Speaker 2: So don't come. Don't come for me because of my opinion.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, at last, but not leads.
Speaker 3: Congratulations Tamar Judge for getting your orange back as well deserved.
Speaker 3: As you know, me and Jasmine are huge fans of yours.
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