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Speaker 3: Stay tuned, We'll get into my conversation right after these

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Speaker 3: quick ads. Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me

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Speaker 3: Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and one of

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Speaker 4: Twice a week on Reality with.

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Speaker 3: The King, we'll sit down with my friends across the

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Speaker 3: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, and revisit unforgettable

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Speaker 4: So rain drops today.

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Speaker 3: You know, look, I'm always in this chipper mood. I

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Speaker 4: I'm not in the best mood today.

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Speaker 1: I'm scared to ask why not? Why you aren't in

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Speaker 4: I got some shocking news for you, Jazz Maine.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready for this when it comes to you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm never ready for shocking news when it comes from

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Speaker 2: But as every other thing, I also don't have a choice.

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Speaker 3: So we got to get into one of the episodes,

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Speaker 3: most recent episodes, I should say, of the Real Housewives

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Speaker 1: Wait, out of all five hundred million episodes of Atlanta,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I'm not listening. I'm not happy about.

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Speaker 2: It, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: But we have to discuss it because it was the

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Speaker 3: So it's not even about just like the state of

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Speaker 3: Housewives of Atlanta. So it's episode eleven of this season

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Speaker 3: and the episode title was Cabin Fever. Carlos King got

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Speaker 1: You reference middle school a lot, and it's like it

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Speaker 3: The shade is real, guys, So remember that little tongue

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Speaker 4: How low can't you go? How low can't you go?

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Speaker 3: And like you said, one thing about Kenya and the

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Speaker 4: She makes mistakes. There's been times I'm.

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Speaker 1: That's tough because had I not known that Marlo said

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Speaker 2: That's that is evil.

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Speaker 1: That is just low for even reality TV like you

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Speaker 4: Again, it's all speculation.

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Speaker 4: But I want to ask my brain drops.

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Speaker 3: And I want you guys to tweet me hashtag Reality

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Speaker 3: with the King.

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Speaker 4: I have a question, who would you choose.

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Speaker 4: With the King.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back after some quick ads. This is

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Speaker 3: Reality with the King. We got to talk about a

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Speaker 4: Drew, you know what, Drew is?

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Speaker 1: Eleven forty five PM. Okay, late, honey, very late, very

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Speaker 1: very late. It feels so forced to me at this point. Girl,

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Speaker 1: this point, what I'm watching a I'm watching a musical.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching some type of like urban.

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Speaker 2: Music. I'm watching that Mother's Love.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's it was giving very like I'm I'm acting,

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Speaker 2: How can I become iconic?

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Speaker 1: You become an icon by just really being yourself, not

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Speaker 4: I'm still stuck on E Love and fifty nine. Late, Honey,

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Speaker 3: Best read I've ever heard of reality with the keys

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Speaker 4: I could not agree with you more.

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Speaker 3: I too, am hard on Drew because I see so

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Speaker 3: And let me tell y'all what I used to do

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed the moment when Candy gave Charae business advice

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Speaker 4: And I have to tell you, guys, newsflash.

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Speaker 3: Leaks is because it was a natural moment. When Cynthia

444
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 3: and Nini had that moment in Savannah where Nini made

445
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 3: a comment about Cynthia's parenting that made Cynthia cry.

446
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 4: It was a natural moment.

447
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: Gone are the days of these women just sitting down

448
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: and joining each other's company. And I feel like everybody

449
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 3: is looking for a moment, everybody's looking for a read.

450
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 3: I am so fucking pissed off at every single housewife

451
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: on that franchise who had the audacity to say.

452
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 4: An interview this was a great season, because it's not.

453
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 2: You're saying. They were relying to us.

454
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 3: In my Mariy povid choice, the lie detector states that

455
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 3: was a lie. And the reason why I'm pissed is

456
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 3: because y'all know the difference between good desperate in a moment.

457
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 3: And the reason why I'm so passionate about that is

458
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 3: because you're letting future reality starts think like, Okay, well,

459
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 3: if I argue with a bitch, that's a good scene,

460
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 3: or if I bring up prop of a dog bone,

461
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: that's a good scene, or if I hit below the belt,

462
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: that's a good scene. No, that's not what it is.

463
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: The reason why the Love and Marriage franchise is doing well,

464
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: thank you God, is.

465
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 4: Because those are real life moments.

466
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: Melody Martel in fidelity situation, Titia Marceau's marriage, you know,

467
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: Kimmy and Tsha's relationship as sister in laws, Like it's

468
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 3: stuff that you are investing in because it's real life moments,

469
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: and the fact that this season only had one moment

470
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: of vulnerability pisses me off. And it's to the point

471
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: now where I no longer know if I'm able to

472
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 3: get recaps on this season anymore.

473
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 4: After that bullshit that.

474
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: I watched, Well, that was a mouthful from you. Very

475
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: strong feelings, very strong opinions. I have rebuttals, if you will.

476
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: Candy and Kenya are doing exactly what they have been doing.

477
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: They know what to do.

478
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 1: I think, you know, people, we can say whatever we

479
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: want about Candy. I think Candy always has something going on,

480
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: and that's always gonna make her a great contender for

481
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: a reality TV show because there's always something that you

482
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: can film with Candy. You know Kenya, she's gonna play

483
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: your a villain, but she's also someone you just love

484
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: looking at her on TV. She's going to interact, She's

485
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: going to do that. So they are kind of doing

486
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: exactly what we know them to do. With the newer

487
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: girls that I think are not really they don't really

488
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: hit the bill right now. And I think what Atlanta needs,

489
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: honestly for me, a complete overhaul of the cast. I

490
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: will not be opposed to them coming back next season

491
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: with a completely new cast now and they're going to

492
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: keep one or two people but just to like make

493
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: it feel like the same show. But I would not

494
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: be opposed to that. I will watch that.

495
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: The other correction for you there.

496
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: There have been some moments I love in Marriage runs Field, though,

497
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: where I'm like that was a little theatrical.

498
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 4: Tell me and i'll and i'll, let's talk about it.

499
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 4: Give me an example.

500
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: I got coins to make, not friends to fake.

501
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: I was like, girl, I know you knew the cameras

502
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: is gonna be there, and you wanted to get that

503
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: line off.

504
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: I know you were waiting on that on that moment.

505
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: But let me stop you there. I'm fine with you

506
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: having a rehearse read.

507
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 4: That's a quote. I'm cool with that. But again, that's

508
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 4: what Atlanta was known for, like very true half a fay.

509
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: Dress reads were rehearsed, no shade fact. So I don't

510
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 3: mind to rehearse read. Don't give me a rehearse prop.

511
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: Okay, As you all like to really correlate everything with

512
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: Zoodi X science, I'm a Libra, so I'm balance, so

513
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna give it to one one cast, We're gonna

514
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: give it to the other. All the girls on reality

515
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: TV right now are searching for moments they want to

516
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: be these iconic reality TV stars. Are we done with

517
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: the day of the organic reality TV icon? Is that

518
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: a thing of the past? Can we have that again?

519
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 1: Are we gonna get our Ninni leaks? Are Tiffany Pollards like?

520
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: Are we gonna get those girls ever?

521
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: Again?

522
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 3: That's a very good question. And I will say this

523
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 3: to you yes and again not to to my own horn.

524
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: When you look at Ashley Silva from Love and Marriage DC,

525
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: who is a natural and she speaks her mind and

526
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: is off the cuff. When you look at Winter Williams

527
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 3: I haven't seen since Danielle Style and Kenya Moore a

528
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 3: woman who walks barefoot on a line of hot holes

529
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: and continues to enter the scene knowing that there may

530
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: be all of this visceral that's coming her way.

531
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 4: So I do think there can be.

532
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this, and this may be controversial, but

533
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: it's my truth. I think it's much more challenging from

534
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: the Housewives franchise because everybody is afraid of losing their

535
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: job and they feel like if I need to hold

536
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: this peach, hold this diamond, hold this apple, this champagne

537
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 3: flute or whatever. I have to be great immediately or

538
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to get fired like Noela, doctor Jen Shamari,

539
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: Claudia Jordan.

540
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 4: You know these one season housewives.

541
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: I think everybody does not want to be a one

542
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: season housewife, so their desperation comes across so clear. And

543
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 3: my other example for you, Jasmine is Lisa Renna had

544
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: this stupid ass argument with Sutton in her backyard where

545
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: I thought I was watching Days of Our Lives, Young

546
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: and the Restless, all my children passions and maybe a

547
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: little bit of.

548
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 4: Pretty little lies. I was like, she.

549
00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: Gave such a weird performance where she said take you down.

550
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 4: And then at two seconds laughed and said, oh, I'm drunk.

551
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: No one did anything because they all knew, Lisa, you're

552
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: acting going on the days where you are naturally yourself.

553
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 3: And I think the fear for these housewives is I

554
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: don't want to lose my job because I don't want

555
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 3: to be unemployed, so I gotta be desperate and just

556
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: have a moment.

557
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: You mentioned like Ashley in Winter.

558
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean, think of your top five greatest reality TV

559
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: stars of all time.

560
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: That bar is high as hell.

561
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: Nobody in one season is ever gonna be up there

562
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: for me, nobody. I need to see a lot more

563
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: from you before I can ever kind of like bestow

564
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 1: that title on somebody in their rookie season.

565
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: Agreed.

566
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: Just so I'm clear, I wasn't saying they are that now.

567
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: I was saying they have potential to be that. And like,

568
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: I also think Melody Hope is somebody that has potential

569
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: to be somebody.

570
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 4: Oh you disagree.

571
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: I think that Melody comes across on TV. I can

572
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: tell that Melody is very aware of how she is

573
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: being perceived when she's on camera, and there's nothing wrong

574
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: with that as a person, right, because I'm perception is everything.

575
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: Right In my opinion, that's gonna really stifle mel from

576
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: ever becoming like iconic on reality TV. In my I

577
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: think what happened, like the situation around her is something

578
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: that is like historic, It's like reality TV history, right.

579
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: But I think her as a person, I think once

580
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: she became aware that like everything about her was being

581
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: kind of picked apart and being talked about, She's a

582
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: different person in this season that I'm seeing with Love

583
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: and Mayor Chunsville, and I don't know if that she

584
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: loosens up a bit in the second half that is

585
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: coming September tenth, But I think I have been watching her,

586
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: maybe like last season, in the first half of this

587
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: season saying like she's different.

588
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: But I agree with you.

589
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: When she first came on the scene, she did have

590
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: the makings of everything that I think we all want. Beautiful,

591
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: amazing family, not afraid to like jump right into conflict

592
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: with people. And then the big skin like that right

593
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: there already puts you a step above the rest, cause

594
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: now you're giving us story and it's not fake. That's

595
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: your real life, and it's unfortunate that your real life

596
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: has become our entertainment. But she had all the makings

597
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: and it was like, I don't know if the divorce

598
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: took a toll on her the opinions of everybody watching,

599
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: But she's a different person now than she was before.

600
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: So I don't know that I can feel like she's

601
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: still on her way to the iconic label.

602
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: Okay, what I will say is you're going to see

603
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: a new side of her in this upcoming season, Like

604
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: you said that air September tenth, and I think you're

605
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: going to see the old melody hope, and I'll just

606
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: leave it at that.

607
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: Welcome.

608
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: But I agree with you in the sense of we

609
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: just need to get back to reality stars just being real.

610
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: And that's the reason why you and I love this

611
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: new College He'll reboot on BT that has any Leagues

612
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: back on.

613
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 4: Top of it.

614
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: Yes, greatest Housewife of all time, But tell me why

615
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: you love College Hells Celebrity Edition so much.

616
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: It just feels fresh to me, and I think that

617
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: is also what's missing. I think the other thing is

618
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: I've really had to manage my expectation. And this is

619
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: kind of even going back into that conversation about who

620
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: was iconic, I think we got iconic reality TV stars

621
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: because they were just kind of the first of their kind.

622
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: Right.

623
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: We had never seen in New York on TV before,

624
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: never seen any NYE leaks on TV before, So I

625
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: think they were able to become staples because we just

626
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: hadn't seen them. And like, when I was watching the

627
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: first couple episodes of College Hill, I was like, Okay,

628
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: I know it's a reboot of the show College Hill,

629
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: but the concept just felt fresh. It's like, we're taking

630
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: these celebrities and we're sending them back to college and

631
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: like they actually have to attend classes.

632
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: For credit and grades.

633
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: And it was like, Hey, this is something that I

634
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: want to watch, Like is it the most entertaining thing

635
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: I've ever seen on television? No, but the concept feels fresh,

636
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: and I think that's just what I'm looking for. Like

637
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: we talked about like watching women go to lunch and

638
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: then get mad and throw drinks on each other, or

639
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, go to each other's birthday parties. Like for me,

640
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: College Hill, it's putting us in a completely different arena

641
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: and with people that I really didn't think I cared

642
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: to know more about outside of Nini leaks. I mean,

643
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: I love watching ray J. I feel like ray J

644
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: is forever entertaining. But you know, I never really thought

645
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: twice about like seeing lamar Odom on TV again after

646
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: we saw him, Like with Chloe all those years ago.

647
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: India Westbrook is on there. She's just a beautiful girl

648
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: that I've seen on Instagram. I never had the urge

649
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: to want to know more about her outside of the

650
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: fact that that's a beautiful woman, like dreamed off she

651
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: was on Backgirls Club, but she was on there after

652
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: I had already started watching, so I just kind of

653
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: wrote her off too. It's like I wasn't interested when

654
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: she was on TV, but what the show has done

655
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: is like, especially with India, you have to watch like

656
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: her storyline and like kind of some of the things

657
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: that she shares on there feel really personal. And so

658
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: I think it's just a fresh take on a concept

659
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: and then also like a cast that it's made me

660
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: interested in people that I don't think I would have

661
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: normally been interested in.

662
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: I agree with everything you're saying about that, in addition

663
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Speaker 3: to the fact that gone are the days where women

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Speaker 3: have lunch and argueing and throw drinks, right, which is

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Speaker 3: also why Merriton Medicine is having to me it's best

666
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Speaker 3: season and that's nine seasons in. And I think the

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Speaker 3: reason why Mariton Medicine is one of the top two

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say it best shows on Bravo is

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Speaker 3: because those women are still real although they've been on

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Speaker 3: reality TV for so long. Toya still gives me. Toya

671
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Speaker 3: from season one. Heavenly is a ham Quad is somebody

672
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: who I felt was conscious of the cameras at one

673
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: point in time, right, Doctor Jackie and Simone. That's a

674
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Speaker 3: Steller cast Contessa.

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Speaker 4: This season is so good.

676
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Speaker 3: And I really want people to know how good it is.

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Speaker 4: You gotta watch it.

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Speaker 3: It's it goes to show you that an ensemble cast

679
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Speaker 3: of women can be on TV for almost ten years

680
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Speaker 3: and still have relatability qualities in them.

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Speaker 1: Married to medicine worked and has always worked, because I

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Speaker 1: feel like they are friends in the off season, Like

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Speaker 1: I feel like they actually interact with each other. When

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Speaker 1: Simone and doctor Jackie were beefing, I was like, y'all

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Speaker 1: better make the fuck up. Like I'm not living in

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Speaker 1: a world where doctor Jackie and Simone are not friends.

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Speaker 1: Like when Ciso and someone were like having their marital issues,

688
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all better make the fuck up, because I'm

689
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Speaker 1: not living in the.

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Speaker 2: World where Ciso and some are not married, you know

691
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Speaker 2: what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Like they feel like such a community, and that I

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Speaker 1: think is what works. I was very turned off. I

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00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: feel like Contessa was severely overreacting to Heavenly and her

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Speaker 1: home like it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot for me.

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Speaker 1: It was so much for me because yes, the general

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Speaker 1: consensus is that yes, Contessa, she exposed her marriage last season,

699
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Speaker 1: and that was for all of us to watch, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't for Heavenly as her friend to go on

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Speaker 1: YouTube and start talking about like you just don't do that.

702
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: And I kind of understand what Heavenly saying. Heavenly's like, look,

703
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Speaker 1: you let the cameras capture it, but like you're her friend,

704
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: some things are just off limits girl. But I do

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Speaker 1: think that Contessa was just doing the most when she

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Speaker 1: was confronting Heavenly. But outside of that, though, they are

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Speaker 1: having a really a really good season.

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Speaker 3: Yes agreat because I was like, I didn't know Contesta

709
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: and Heavenly were that close, So it was very weird

710
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: to me to see Contesta react that way and the

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00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: Barney wig no shade to Heavenly's wigs.

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Speaker 4: I think all the other ways look good.

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Speaker 3: That purpose one Heavenly I would discontinue with the sticker

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Speaker 3: number and the QR code. I was also lost, like

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00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: she's running to her bedroom, she shut the door. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: all because of Heavenly, Like I didn't know y'all two

717
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: were that tight. But I really want Contessa and Heavily

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Speaker 3: to work on their friendship because Heavenly is one of

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Speaker 3: the greatest maritime medicine stars in the world and not

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Speaker 3: saying that the show can't survive without her. I really

721
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 3: think Marition Medicine is a show where they all need

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Speaker 3: each other, like it's a true ensemble cast where they

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Speaker 3: all support each other.

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Speaker 4: There's no Queen Bee to me, which is great.

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Speaker 3: He would think it's Doctor Jackie because she's just somebody

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Speaker 3: that they all sort of like defer to.

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Speaker 4: But I feel like they are a great team of players.

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Speaker 2: They are, but I could do without Anila.

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Speaker 1: Like if they come back next season and she's not there,

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Speaker 1: I would not think twice about that.

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Speaker 3: We never mentioned her until you did, because I forgot

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Speaker 3: she was a part.

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Speaker 4: Of the cast.

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Speaker 3: And I think when I see her scenes, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: you're on the wrong show.

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Speaker 4: Sys Like it.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't feel natural, Like she doesn't feel like a natural fit.

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Speaker 1: And we have a lot of cast members and you know,

739
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: come on later in seasons and they just end up

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Speaker 1: jelling or meshing really well with the rest of the cast.

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Speaker 1: Anita just is not sticking for me, and I don't

742
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: know something about her feels like that that whole stunt

743
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: that they pulled at the Halloween party. There's so much

744
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: that could be said about Toya and Eugene's response to

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00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: that and what's really going on with their finances. But

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing that I walked away from that with

747
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: is that it felt very mean spirited. Like it did

748
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: not feel like I'm just poking shade at you. It

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Speaker 1: felt like I really want to like dig in. Like

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00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: I know y'all moved out of the neighborhood, Like we

751
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: have this big ass house, y'all don't have yours anymore.

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00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: Their speculation that there's some issues with your finances. I

753
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: want to take the knife, not only just sticking in

754
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: your back, but I want to turn that bitch.

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00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: I want to turn. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So that's what that felt like to me. It

757
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: was like, and that's that's like my overall problem. It

758
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: goes back to like the Atlanta conversation. Shit is starting

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00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: to feel really low and like mean, and it's like

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00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like fun shade anymore. It feels like

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00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: you're really trying to like make Toya and eug and

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00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: go home and like cry in their rental home. And

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Speaker 1: that's not cool to me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, stop toddling her home as a rental home.

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Speaker 4: It's so disrespectful, y'all. Don't do it. Tod Reach on

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Speaker 4: Beverly Hills. Don't do that to Toya.

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Speaker 3: She's honest about her home being rented, Like, like, stop it.

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Speaker 3: I think that's so low blow and it's low brow

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Speaker 3: all the rest of these girls renting their homes and

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Speaker 3: their husbands and the storylines. Jas Man, we talked a

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Speaker 3: lot about these reality shows. But before I let you go,

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Speaker 3: the new season of Bell Collective is currently airing Fridays

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Speaker 3: at nine o'clock a Central on the Oprah Winpen Network.

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Speaker 3: You caught the first episode, so give me your very

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Speaker 3: quick recap of what you think about this season.

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Speaker 1: I am excited, you know. I congrat see you for

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Speaker 1: getting a second season. I think the first season a

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective I didn't finish. And I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 1: They are kind of unlikable to me. When we talk

780
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: about people who are very aware of cameras being around them,

781
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: very aware of what their perception will be, very much

782
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: are trying to make sure they cement themselves as suitable

783
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: reality TV figures most of those ladies on their feel

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00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: like that. For me, I think the only one that

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00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: didn't was camera just off the rip. It was like

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Speaker 1: it's just they felt mean when we talk about Southern

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Speaker 1: bells and Southern women like it's like warm, they want

788
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: to make you biscuits, they want to feed you. Like

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Speaker 1: a lot of the Bell Collective ladies in the first

790
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: season just came off like they were all really like

791
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: kind of competing with each other. They wanted to be

792
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: like super just Caddy, and it wasn't endearing. And that's

793
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: the thing when I watch reality TV, the things that

794
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: I love most about people, even when they are shady

795
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: and kind of mean, sometimes that they have like redeemable qualities.

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Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was able to get that

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00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: from those ladies. But what I will tell you is

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00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: watching the first episode of season two, Marie season one,

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Speaker 1: she was the one I was like, she is so mean,

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00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: Like she was just so mean, Like it was hard

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00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: to watch for me. But now knowing what I know

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00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: about her, even just you know her mom, like the

803
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: situation with her mom, her son losing his child's mother.

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00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: She has a lot on her plates, and I think

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00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: that can weigh anybody down. And so I think I'm

806
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Speaker 1: coming into the second season just with like a different

807
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: perspective and wanting to really give them a chance. Latisha, right,

808
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: like the whole I'm a boss, like I have, you know,

809
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: feelings about that that we don't have time for. But

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Speaker 1: it just, you know, it didn't come off like super

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00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: authentic to me. But I want to give them a chance.

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00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: They're beautiful, you know, beautiful black women, like really trying

813
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: to do stuff in Jackson, Mississippi. So I really want

814
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Speaker 1: to give them a chance. So I'm locked in for

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Speaker 1: season two. But season one, I was like, I can't

816
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: get with these ladies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah and listen, thank you for your honesty. And a

818
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 3: lot of people off that season one to belt collective

819
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: that they weren't mean and it was the pettiness of

820
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: the wig drama and the hair. So I will say

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Speaker 3: this season is a much different season. The concentration is

822
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Speaker 3: definitely more on the couples, and you really get to

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Speaker 3: see these friendships form and it's much more organic. It's

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00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: much more interesting to see how they all navigate their

825
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: relationships their career. So I'm happy you like the first

826
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Speaker 3: episode of this new season, because girl, it is going

827
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: to be a rollercoaster ride.

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Speaker 4: So stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: I'm locked in for the Bells, Jasmine. We have a lot,

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Speaker 1: we did, we always are getting into it.

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Speaker 4: Are you ready? For the shade that's gonna come your way.

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00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: I'm never ready. Matter of fact, let me go to.

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00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 1: Deactivate all my share right now because just like Marlowe, okay,

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Speaker 1: I am sensitive as well.

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Speaker 2: So don't come. Don't come for me because of my opinion.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, at last, but not leads.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations Tamar Judge for getting your orange back as well deserved.

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Speaker 3: As you know, me and Jasmine are huge fans of yours.

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Speaker 3: me at Reality with the King at stitchra dot com

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