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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, February fourth, and it has been another

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Speaker 2: day not of major developments in the case of Nancy Guthrie,

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Speaker 2: but another day of bizarre twists in the case. And

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Speaker 2: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ

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Speaker 2: Bizarre twists in that Robes. The sheriff is once again

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Speaker 2: having to spend some time shooting down some media report

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Speaker 2: this time it has to do with someone identifying but

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Speaker 2: it sounds like a suspect.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a major development that has now been

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Speaker 3: disputed and refuted by police. And yet, as we know

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Speaker 3: almost impossible to take it back. It creates suspicion, it

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Speaker 3: creates it takes the case into a direction that the

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Speaker 3: police are saying, hey stop, whoa, this isn't true. And

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Speaker 3: yet once this is why it is so important journalists,

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Speaker 3: the media. When we say something that we received in

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Speaker 3: terms of information from a source from some way that

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Speaker 3: we have identified and we have corroborated and then we disseminated,

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Speaker 3: we expect or hope at least that our audience, the

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Speaker 3: people who trust us, believe what we're putting out there.

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Speaker 3: The problem is when people are rushing to try and

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Speaker 3: It does so much damage to the investigation, to the victim.

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Speaker 2: Even before we know if this turns out to be

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Speaker 2: true or not. So the case kind of when to

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Speaker 2: a bit of chaos, to a certain degree, at least

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Speaker 2: publicly robes again many people, you understand what this story

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Speaker 2: is about now. Nancy Guthrie, eighty four year old mother

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Speaker 2: of Savannah Guthrie, Today's show host, has been missing since

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Speaker 2: the last Saturday, last time she was seen. So I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna read the sheriff's statement first, Rhodes, because it seems

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Speaker 2: like I want to I want to go backwards.

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Speaker 1: It's almost I don't want.

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Speaker 2: To name the person, but this is what at least

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Speaker 2: the sheriff put this out in the Sheriff's department quote.

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Speaker 2: At this point, investigators have not identified a suspect or

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Speaker 2: person of interest in this case.

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Speaker 1: Detectives continue to speak with.

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Speaker 2: Anyone who may have had contact with missus Guthrie. Detectives

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Speaker 2: are working closely with the Guthrie family. While we appreciate

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Speaker 2: the public's concern, the sharing of unverified accusations or false

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Speaker 2: information is irresponsible and does not assist the investigation. It

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Speaker 2: closes with this, no suspect or person of interest has

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Speaker 2: been idea ified at this time. Ropes, he had to

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Speaker 2: do that, and he had to do that because a

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Speaker 2: journalist did go out there and put out publicly that

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Speaker 2: a family member and we have the quotes, so we

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Speaker 2: don't want a paraphrase. But what she was essentially saying

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Speaker 2: is that a source is telling her that a family

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Speaker 2: member is a suspect.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and she said a high level source. She said

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Speaker 3: I can say right here, TMZ is reporting that The

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Speaker 3: sheriff's department specifically said, we are not confirming a car

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they don't have it. We were not

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Speaker 3: Don't have and added, we are unsure where that reporter

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Speaker 2: Again, that information again, you can read between lines here

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Speaker 2: that's not correct, no versus. We're not sure where the

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Speaker 2: could prosper be true. That's how I read that stuff.

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Speaker 2: And because there is a lack we just talked about yesterday,

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Speaker 2: organizations that are trying to get something out. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what to do with this, because this is a

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Speaker 2: long it's out there now. Ashley Banfield, this is a

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Speaker 2: long time journalist. She's been around a long time, thirty plus.

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Speaker 2: She I actually heard her say thirty eight in something

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Speaker 2: she knows, and she's worked with networks. She knows what

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Speaker 4: You've said that from the beginning.

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Speaker 3: And this is someone I don't know her personally, but

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Speaker 3: I have worked adjacent to her. She's been at NBC News, MSNBC,

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Speaker 3: your point, she has had had a long and reputable career.

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Speaker 3: She has spoken out in moments about certain topics that

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Speaker 4: She has, but she's never necessary.

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Speaker 3: She's never been or I've never known of an instance

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen an incident of this.

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Speaker 3: And so to you were like, let's let's take her

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Speaker 4: She doesn't necessary, she doesn't have.

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Speaker 3: That reputation necessarily, so it's not like you'd think she's

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Speaker 1: I don't need to see her history. I didn't need

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Speaker 2: I don't think she's It's not what I'm saying is

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Speaker 2: she has been around long enough to know on a

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Speaker 2: you just don't go blurted out unless you feel damn sure.

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Speaker 2: She's worked at networks where something like this will require

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Speaker 1: Sources before you go with it.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying she knows how big this story is, and

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Speaker 1: She knows not to be irresponsible.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that is my best guess and the thing

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Speaker 2: that gives me most confidence that maybe she knows what

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I can't imagine that someone someone told her

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Speaker 4: She felt confident. We watched her tell the story.

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Speaker 3: She you could tell she felt confident that she was

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Speaker 2: I don't know, then, do we have the quotes here?

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Speaker 2: Because I saw some of them and I thought she

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Speaker 2: I don't know how confident she feels in her source

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Speaker 4: She gave herself. A lot of legal wiggle room. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I think it sounded to me that she felt confident

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Speaker 3: found a way to say, maybe, may possibly let me

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Speaker 3: tamp that down a bit. She definitely qualified the information

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Speaker 3: that gave her some legal wiggle room.

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Speaker 2: And the way she said it the first time, quote,

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that there is a family member

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Speaker 3: And then she but you know what, when she was

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Speaker 3: she seemed she was beefing up the fact that this

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Speaker 3: next breath she did say I want to get this right.

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Speaker 3: She said that, let me tamp that down, because this

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Speaker 3: suspect could be a prime suspect, as in.

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Speaker 4: The first suspect. I didn't like because family is always

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Speaker 1: I didn't like that. Baby. Maybe that was a point.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 3: And you can say that and not name the person.

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Speaker 3: You could just say a family member, but she actually

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Speaker 3: person's name and face is everywhere, and you can't take

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't like. By okay, here's her. She says

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Speaker 2: back in saying now at some point saying prime suspect,

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Speaker 2: couching it to the point, Well, maybe it just means

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Speaker 2: first because it's a close family member and that's what

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Speaker 2: they mean by prime. That's not how it goes Rose. No,

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Speaker 2: that's no, that's not okay. So I forgot about that line.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That one is the line that bothered me.

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Speaker 3: She was she was giving herself legal protection period and

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Speaker 3: But all they hear is guilty or suspect, prime suspect.

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Speaker 3: They're not hearing the maze or the possibly or a

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Speaker 3: So they've got pictures of a family member alongside their spouse,

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Speaker 4: Don't want cameras in their face, and now that makes

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Speaker 3: It all feeds into this narrative that Ashley Banfield's set

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Speaker 2: It could be true, But even if it is true,

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Speaker 2: is it responsible? Is the thing?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This is a big story. Everybody is any little bit

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Speaker 2: got something exclusive, and this may be the most exclusive,

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Speaker 2: and she might be ultimately right, but right now, ropes

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Speaker 2: every headline, brother in law, prime suspect. Brother in law

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Speaker 2: brother in law, brother in law. So it's out there everywhere,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, I'm reading the headlines. I'm mistakenly, but

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Speaker 2: it's certainly out there the suspect that they're talking about.

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Speaker 1: So I apologize there. I'm gonna go back and edit

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Speaker 1: this out now. That sucks.

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Speaker 3: Anyone who's fallen this case closely, who's listening to this podcast,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure already knows at this point that she put

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Speaker 4: She put out this was.

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Speaker 3: The brother in laws of Savannah's sister's husband, and so yeah,

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Speaker 2: Oh goodness, well, folks, a bizarre day of developments. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Could have ever imagined them having to address or deal

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Speaker 2: I think the President was about Savannah. Guthrie made some

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Speaker 3: what the family needs right now prayers. More than anything.

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Speaker 3: They are praying for her mother's safe return. And we

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Speaker 2: Folks, that is the hope. This is a fast moving story.

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Speaker 2: have been a lot. We will hop back on anytime

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Speaker 2: there are relevant, significant updates in this case, and there

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Speaker 2: have been a lot. But folks, we appreciate you sticking

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Speaker 2: with us on TJ. Holmes on behalf of Amy Roboc.

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