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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast Hates Baths. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is

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Speaker 1: Dan Hanss. I come to you from a room filled

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Speaker 1: with hero the virtual room that is Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 1: and Chris Westling. What's up, boys, Hey, Dan can't say it,

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Speaker 1: can't say that the A d N Podcast hates baths

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Speaker 1: when West is on the flagship. So at that point

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Speaker 1: it is no longer unanimous. And I don't think it

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Speaker 1: was even before that. So when erroneous money dropped West,

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Speaker 1: what's up, buddy? What's um? It's not so erroneous because

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Speaker 1: I baths are on the ounce. Oh wait a second,

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Speaker 1: last time we checked in on this West, as you're

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Speaker 1: going through your latest courageous bout against the Big Sea.

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Speaker 1: You've been dealing with the thought of pain and a

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Speaker 1: lot of attempted management of said pain. And the bath

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Speaker 1: has been your sanctuary bastion, and you've spent hours in

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Speaker 1: there and there's candles involved in jazz. What has happened

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Speaker 1: to give us an update? There's been some drama in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, some bath drama. First, Um fell asleep watching

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Speaker 1: Game Pass, woke up to a to an iPad did

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Speaker 1: no longer work, so um, so I went back to

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Speaker 1: my I went back to my old iPad from four

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Speaker 1: years ago, because you still works. This was not the

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Speaker 1: one that was stolen at the two thousand sixteen Women's

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Speaker 1: that's never been recovered. That is that that one is

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Speaker 1: uh whereabouts unknown. So this one wasn't the one that

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Speaker 1: was in your car that disappeared one day and was

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Speaker 1: never seen again either. So those are inwhere but whereabouts unknown?

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Speaker 1: Who knows? But uh, I went back to my old iPad.

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Speaker 1: I started watching Game Pass in the bath, woke up

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Speaker 1: and that one was water logged and no longer gonna. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's it's fine, West, We're gonna we're gonna edit out

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Speaker 1: the second mention, and uh, the NFL is gonna hook

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Speaker 1: you up with a new one because it's been four

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Speaker 1: or five years. You're fighting cancer so that you can

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Speaker 1: do do a job, you know as best as you can,

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Speaker 1: and accidents happened. They owe you on every couple of years.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna edit out the second mentioned. They will, they

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Speaker 1: will buy you, they will get you an iPad. I

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Speaker 1: think at this point, if I take another iPad into

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Speaker 1: the bathtub, Keisha is gonna have some punishment waiting for me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought the whole the gist here was

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Speaker 1: the Keisha was gonna at at times not maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: wire to wire, but sit in the bathroom with you

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Speaker 1: and and maybe there would be a doorway to um, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, stuff that we wouldn't talk about on

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Speaker 1: this podcast typically. But instead you're alone in the in

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Speaker 1: the iPads are falling into the top. So yeah, both

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Speaker 1: of these incidents were more in like two thirty in

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Speaker 1: the morning range. Kesha may have been awake to feed

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Speaker 1: the baby, but other than that that she would not

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Speaker 1: have been awaken sitting on the edge of the top.

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Speaker 1: Damn West, that's crazy, all right. So yeah, baths, they've

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Speaker 1: they're not quite so romantic one one man romantic without

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Speaker 1: the iPad. Yeah, I guess. So, I guess that's what

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Speaker 1: we've learned. I guess you could continue to take baths

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Speaker 1: while not watching game pass. But also, why mess with

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Speaker 1: the process of the scientist? If if that's how you

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Speaker 1: consume your football, who am I to say, maybe take

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Speaker 1: the iPad out of the mix? I like that be

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Speaker 1: my campaign manager A good line of questioning Dan, because

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Speaker 1: that led to what I would consider an explosive update.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of new information there.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was a breaking news. West was lost,

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Speaker 1: and now that we've known less, he's up to three

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Speaker 1: down iPads um and I hope this just continues to

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Speaker 1: go on forever and ever, because it's kind of amusing.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's factually correct. I've fawne through three and

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Speaker 1: I'm now on my fourth. Incredible, incredible stuff, all right,

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Speaker 1: all right, so that's not great news. And and I

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Speaker 1: did like that you had your little moment or you're

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Speaker 1: don't like that you've turned on baths. But I love

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Speaker 1: Wes that you are here with us to go through

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Speaker 1: all of the action here on the Flagship Show Week eleven.

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Speaker 1: A lot to get through. Um As, as we say

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Speaker 1: NFL things change every week, A lot changes, and it

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Speaker 1: uh West the West side of Cincinnati cries tonight. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to all that. Let's start though, with the

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Speaker 1: the twenty, to to the ten, to the oh yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: Best thing about the play is when you watch it

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem right. You win the coin toss, you have

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Speaker 1: But instead, how how the Landry sax Lamar Jackson sets

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Speaker 1: And you're hurting two tackles spots uh you know, by

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Speaker 1: Mick Ribs, that was a thing, remember very I like

429
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Speaker 1: the smoker a few racks of lit ribs. I guess

430
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Speaker 1: I'm just just you do us and you're quite capable

431
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Speaker 1: at it is tonight that night I'm gonna, you know,

432
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Speaker 1: take on the Bible. No, I won't do it, Mark,

433
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Speaker 1: but I will say perhaps in in today's times, in

434
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Speaker 1: the idea of the man's rib being used to create

435
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Speaker 1: a woman, is that gonna hold up under scrutiny? Well,

436
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: I see if you if you came out of nowhere

437
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Speaker 1: with that concept tonight and just said here's what I

438
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Speaker 1: think happened like, you would be met with some resistance

439
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: on social media. Yes, all right, I think we should

440
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: move on. Save it for the theology podcast that's coming.

441
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: A thirty nine yard field goal from Blanket Ship to

442
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Speaker 1: give the Colts to win out of the whole of Sanchez.

443
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Speaker 1: Here's a staff falls down, take us on the way

444
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: and it is it's doll walk off winner for Rodrigo

445
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: blanking chip call tread one in over time. Look at

446
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: that the number three and number four overall pick in

447
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Speaker 1: the draft. On Thursday, Games one and two in the recap,

448
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: Zusar nailed at Mark us, I told you it was

449
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: a good draft. Um credit where credit is to thank

450
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Speaker 1: you Rodrigo. Blanket ships field goal was true and the

451
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Speaker 1: Colts had their biggest one of the year one over

452
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Speaker 1: the Packers at Lucas Oil Stadium. That game winning kick

453
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Speaker 1: was set up a Marquez Valdez scantling fumble on green

454
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Speaker 1: based opening possession in overtime. Matt Taylor there w F

455
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Speaker 1: and I with the call, Aaron Rodgers is not going

456
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Speaker 1: to forget that MBS bumble boys. Uh it would be

457
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Speaker 1: naive to assume that MVS is even alive as we

458
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: record tonight because the nature of that turnover and west

459
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: the Packers have no one to blame but themselves. They

460
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: had a two touchdown lead at halftime. They're putting the

461
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: ball in the carpet over and over, four turnovers. They

462
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: just let this game get away. No business losing this

463
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: game once you take control. But they found a way

464
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: to blow it. And it's troubling. Yeah, it almost felt

465
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Speaker 1: like they thought they headed in the bag and close

466
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Speaker 1: up shop. We're done for the day. We have Aaron Rodgers,

467
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: even if the Colts tried him out of comeback. He

468
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: can move the ball at any time, and it didn't.

469
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: It just didn't happen, and uh C MVS go from here.

470
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: It's got After that big fifty yard catch um setting

471
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: up an opportunity where they were hoping to get the

472
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Speaker 1: field go and had a chance to go for the

473
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Speaker 1: win in regulation. Um, that's heartbreaking. I don't know about

474
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Speaker 1: this narrative that Aaron Rodgers is gonna have him buried

475
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: underneath the Bay bridge or whatever. I just don't put

476
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Speaker 1: it past them. It's it's surprising too, though, because Rogers

477
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: had such a big part, you know, in the collapse.

478
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: Now the only reason that they are ahead by that

479
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Speaker 1: much is because Aaron Rodgers, you know, absolutely fill aid.

480
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: You know, the Colts defense in the first half, but

481
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: when the Acker's offense goes three and out, three and out,

482
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: they fumble the ball. Uh, and then the Colts stop

483
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: him on fourth down, and at that point you thought

484
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: the game was over before that game tying field goal, Like,

485
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: that's a pretty long stretch of uh failure by the Packers.

486
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: And like I was shot on that fourth down play

487
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: where Rogers couldn't connect. I was shot because it was

488
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: one of the rare times this year where it's like, oh,

489
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Speaker 1: maybe good defense can be good offense. Because this was

490
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: that sort of game. Yeah, and and the you know,

491
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: the the defense was up and down for Indie, but

492
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner a huge play, and they knew what they

493
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Speaker 1: wanted when they went and traded for him. He's been

494
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: an asset for them all along. So I mean, you

495
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: look where the Colts were two weeks ago before they

496
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Speaker 1: beat the Titans on Thursday Night Football, and then this game,

497
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: and it's suddenly there seven and three. Now. I'm not

498
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Speaker 1: sure that they are a classic seven and three team

499
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: or that I see them that way, but my perception

500
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: has changed a bit about who they are and what

501
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: they can be. I still don't know if I trust

502
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: this offense though outside the good day today, but you

503
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: are starting to get guys like Michael pitt in Um involved.

504
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, some of these younger players are coming back.

505
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor has been a bit of a disappointment, but

506
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: they might have a chance to be much more functional

507
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: than they were for large chunks of the season. I

508
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: have a question for the crowd, yeah right, See, where

509
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 1: ten games into their rookie years, one was traded up

510
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: for in the second round, the other one was undrafted.

511
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: Whose career would you rather have going forward, Jonathan Taylor

512
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: or Richardson in Jacksonville? I mean James Robins Robinson. I'd

513
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Speaker 1: say Robinson just because he looked like the better player,

514
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Speaker 1: although it sounds like Taylor had about his best day

515
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Speaker 1: of his career. Robinson been a top ten running back

516
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Speaker 1: in the league this year. Maybe wonder what James Robinson

517
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Speaker 1: would look like behind this Cults offensive line. This Cultural

518
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: offensive line, though, didn't they have about nine holding penalties

519
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: in this game? I mean the end, the last couple

520
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: of minutes of this game, how it was managed was

521
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: was just insane in a million different ways. All those

522
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Speaker 1: holes you know, the Packers another chance, but one I

523
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: just one small thing I want to point out that

524
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: I feel like the analytics or maybe just like evolution

525
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: will eventually get rid of is unnecessary spikes. And there

526
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: was another And even when you got the smartest quarterback

527
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: in the league taking an unnecessary spike at the end

528
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: of that game and giving them one less throw to

529
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Speaker 1: the end zone, that's a pretty massive deal to me.

530
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Speaker 1: It's like, at some point I think people are gonna

531
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Speaker 1: wise up and know when to spike it when not to.

532
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: With about forty seconds left in the game, he takes

533
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Speaker 1: a spike to two throws and then the game's over.

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Speaker 1: Greg second guest and coaches on the clock management, Well,

535
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Speaker 1: it's funny because I had that thought a couple of

536
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Speaker 1: weeks ago. Similarly, when somebody spiked it like way too

537
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: many times and the announcers were griping about and I said,

538
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: it won't be long before analytics are tracking this, and

539
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: then somebody's gonna get in big trush. Some quarterbacks gonna

540
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: be great at it, and some of them been getting

541
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Speaker 1: criticized for it, and we had no idea was even

542
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: a thing. And here Greg's already all over It's We've

543
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: been doing these shows for so long that the and

544
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: I saw that, I was like, Greg will comment on that.

545
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: He will comment on that in this show. So if

546
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: you're a Packers fan, you're sick to your stomach. They

547
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: had twenty eight points at halftime, like I said, a

548
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: two touchdown lead, and then they didn't score for twenty

549
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: nine minutes and fifty seven seconds in the second half

550
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Speaker 1: before the field goal um right at the end of

551
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Speaker 1: the fourth UH to force overtime. So that that to me.

552
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: On Thursday, I talked about it. I don't know if

553
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: I if I trust the Packers, and I kind of

554
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: feel the same way about the cults, to be honest,

555
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: even these these last two weeks they have wins against

556
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: the Titans and Packers, so that's definitely they've that has

557
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: raised my esteem my my viewing of them um right now.

558
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: But they're kind of mirror images. Maybe not as teams,

559
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: but they're both seven and three in their conferences, and

560
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: I think the teams that are ahead of them, uh

561
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: in the conference are much better, but there are a

562
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Speaker 1: full step up ahead of the teams that are right

563
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: below them. So it made sense that this went down

564
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: to the went down to the wire and just keep

565
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 1: an eye on Philip Rivers, you know, as just as

566
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Speaker 1: we see Drew Brees is up to what like twenty

567
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: seven broken ribs. Now, these old quarterbacks start to get

568
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: hurt unless you're Tom Brady and you're unstoppable. Rivers had

569
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: a foot slash, ankle, something happened at the end of

570
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: this game. We'll we'll track that because he's already guy

571
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: who can't move and if he has, if that's a

572
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: lingering injury, that is not going to be good for him.

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Speaker 1: One little kicker note, I do like this Rodrigo blanket ship.

574
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: I think he'd be kind of a sneaky fun guy

575
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: in the kicker club. I'm not allowed in there myself,

576
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: but I'm just sort of presupposing from the outside. Uh yeah,

577
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: we we we haven't let him in with open arms.

578
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: I want to say that it's it's gonna be. It's

579
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a Christmas gift that I'm gonna share with

580
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: you boys. Something I stumbled upon, uh just today actually

581
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: about blanket ship, but I don't want to share it.

582
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: What is it that he's actually thirteen years old? He

583
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: just doesn't look like an adults me. But it's the

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Speaker 1: respects or whatever he's got going on. I have a

585
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: gift of the podcast, but I want to save it

586
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: for another time anyway. So good for the cult. So

587
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: that's a nice win and a great great showdown again

588
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: when they have a rematch against the Titans coming up

589
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: in week twelve. Let's move takes the snap play action, Fake,

590
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: He's back, He's gotta get hit, HiT's up in the air,

591
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: Crack off Tucky, Tucky's gotta downa tideline, twenty hard, twenty fifty,

592
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: Tannis gets award on the tap and the pack pie

593
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: Tucky Tucky touchdown. It's just a fun name. Jim Donovan

594
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: with the call for w k r K. What you're

595
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: doing Carson stepped in front of the Carson Wentz pass

596
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: and took it fifty yards of the house, Cleveland's opening

597
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: score in av Win Brown's latest conquest and miserable conditions

598
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: at their home stadium, Mark The Browns lost Miles Garrett

599
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: to the COVID nineteen list this weekend, but it did

600
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: not really show against the Three Falling Giggles. Yeah. I think,

601
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about Cleveland's defense as you know,

602
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: being subpart and you just they're living with it, and

603
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: they've they've learned to live with it, but they do

604
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: have Uh. You know, you got Myles Garrett, who's essentially

605
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: I think helped win three or four games for them.

606
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: Denzel Ward wire to wire has been uh, absolutely one

607
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: of the toughest looking quarterbacks cornerbacks to me, and he

608
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: did it again today. Uh. They got pass rush from

609
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: guys that have been relatively quiet this season. Adrian Claiborne

610
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: had a sack and a half. Uh and because of

611
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: his arm issue, he can only line up on one side,

612
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: so like you already, you always know where he's gonna

613
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: be coming from. I think that's one reason he doesn't

614
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: get as many snaps. But Olive a Vernon had three

615
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: takedowns today. Um, one of them a game changing safety,

616
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: so that was huge. I mean, they got help from

617
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Speaker 1: guys um on the Sunday. They absolutely needed it and

618
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: it was really a defensive oriented win Cleveland's. This is

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Speaker 1: the second week in a row where I've watched h

620
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Speaker 1: Last week it was the Texans. This week was the

621
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Speaker 1: Eagles come into this game saying we're going to say

622
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: all out to stop the Cleveland's running game. Eight men

623
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: in the box, time after time. I think it was

624
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: thirty six snaps against the Texans and the Eagles had

625
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: nine today at times and it worked. They really like

626
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: Cleveland at halftime had about fifteen yards rushing and it

627
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: was the Eagles that had piled up you know, nineties something,

628
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: so they looked like opposite teams from what you're what

629
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Speaker 1: you'd expect. What Cleveland does does pretty well though, is

630
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: that when you're using Chubb and Hunt the way that

631
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: they do, they have found ways just to wear teams

632
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: down in the fourth quarter and that broke free the Chubb.

633
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Speaker 1: One big chub fifty two yard runner, so which you

634
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: know he does a Cleves patented stiff arm and uh

635
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: sets up the Browns near the goal line. Then Kareem

636
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Hunt had an unbelievably um acrobatics sort of diving touchdown

637
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: and that was it. I mean, Cleveland's offense was was

638
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: rough and the weather, you know, is certainly a factor. Um.

639
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: I I come out of this with questions about their

640
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: passing game, um Baker Mayfield and with two or three

641
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: real money throws in this game. But I just don't

642
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: know if I trust them minus oh b J to

643
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: be consistently productive. They were lucky that they were playing

644
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: an Eagles team that has a broken down quarterback, and

645
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: it's in many ways, this game from the Eagle side

646
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: is just more of the same and what you'd expect.

647
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: Uh Whence to me just is there's just it's almost

648
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: like you can't almost diagnose everything that's happening to him.

649
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: He just seems a completely different person, like he was

650
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: body switched with like Eric Hippell. I don't know how

651
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: to explain what's going on with this guy mentally. But

652
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: Cleveland we on our preview show and I came to

653
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: agree with you guys. I think you talked about this

654
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: being a potential like let down game because they've had

655
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: this sort of soft part of their schedule, and I

656
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: really thought all game long that's how it was going

657
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: to go. But they played a team that I think

658
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: just has way too many questions um and and a

659
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: team that people have assumed and just put into the

660
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: crown ship of the NFC East. I don't see it.

661
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: I don't think they're winning this division. Not the way

662
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: they're playing right now. Carson Wanz is exhausting. He played

663
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: exactly See, he's the only quarterback in ever soon it

664
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: plays a whole season in one game. Like how many

665
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: quarterback controversies can you have in one game? Like seven times?

666
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: Eagles fans had to be like, take him out, No,

667
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: put him back in. That was a good play, That

668
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: was a good playing No, you know he's got how

669
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: can you possibly keep playing this guy? Yeah, it's you know,

670
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: it's like when it was early in the season and

671
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: you thought it was a situation where he's having this

672
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: walkie season where he has these ugly stretches and then

673
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: he gets hot and then he maybe steals a win

674
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: or gets the game close enough where you have something

675
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: to build off. It was, man, Carson Wentz has been

676
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: pretty hot at cold, But now I feel like in.

677
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: You sense it from Eagles fans out there, Connie Fox

678
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: and John Gonzalez amongst them, that there's just an exhaustion

679
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: level that's been hit with with his struggles this season,

680
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: and you have to I mean it's fair to wonder,

681
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: at what point do you try to save the season? Uh,

682
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: if you want to look at it that way, and

683
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: bring in the guy you you drafted Jalen Hurts in

684
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: the second round, and just see if it could spark

685
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: the offense, which seems like hart while according to their

686
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: own head coach, that's Harrisy. Let's hear what Doug Peterson

687
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: said after the game. I think you're you're sending a

688
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: wrong message to your football team that the season's over.

689
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: And and um, that's a that's a bad message, and

690
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: and um, you know we have to we have to

691
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: work through this times. You know, when when when times

692
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: get tough, it's you know, sometimes that might be the

693
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: easy thing to do. No, it's the opposite of saying

694
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: the season's over. If you bench Carson Wentz, you're telling

695
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: your players, Doug, I think we could still be something

696
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: this year. But whatever we're doing right now isn't working.

697
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: And I want to save this year, you're not putting

698
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: on the white flag. And I think his attitude speaks

699
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: to a general malaise that's fallen over this entire organization

700
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: this season. Well, I would be I have about benching

701
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson. It's like I think that the pairing of Wentz,

702
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: you should be you should be a little annoyed. Doug Peterson.

703
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: You you went out and wrote this keep seeing, you know,

704
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: auto biography after the Super Bowl. This book has been

705
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: on your radar for a while. I mean, it's it's

706
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: a little much, but it's also very common. Like the

707
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: winning coach just gets like a kind of toss. I

708
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: needed that as much as I needed, Like the Tim

709
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: Tebow autobiography after one NFL season, Yeah he didn't. You

710
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: didn't have to read it. We're talking about Doug about

711
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: Peterson's book again. I'm just saying like, maybe, you know,

712
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: like there were other coaches on that Super Bowl staff

713
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: that maybe should have had the books written about them.

714
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: It might be, you know, it might be a common

715
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: um or a somewhat of a statement about how they think,

716
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: you know, Jalen Hurts looks, which which is part of it.

717
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that they have the best feel,

718
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: but this coaching staff hasn't given us much reason to think,

719
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: and neither as Jalen hurts his snaps, UM that they're

720
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: gonna be able to cook up an offense with most anyone.

721
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: But you're right, he's sort of at the point now

722
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: whence where you almost have to, you know, seriously think

723
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: about taking him out, just because if you're if you're

724
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: turning the ball over this much every week, at some

725
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: point like you gotta make ancision. There's still in first place,

726
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: though still in first place, and the Browns are seven

727
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: and three. Speaking of a seven and three team that

728
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: might not feel like if they're one and two against

729
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: teams that have a winning record. But I give the

730
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: Browns a ton of credit for their coaching staff coaching

731
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: them up well enough to take care of business in

732
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: all these games. It's not their fault that they've had

733
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: an easy schedule. It's actually kind of awesome that they

734
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: haven't been picked off week after week in all these games.

735
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 1: I mean, the last time they were seven and three

736
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: was and I think if it weren't twenty, I'd feel

737
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: like I'd be more plugged into the excitement around this. Um,

738
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: it's just obviously a weird year. But I think the

739
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: thing I take away from it is that every week

740
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: they seem outside of that Steelers and Ravens disaster zone games,

741
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: they're they're well coached, and that's the weirder. The weirder

742
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: thing than the record is just the fact that they

743
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: aren't a disaster on game days coaching wise, because that's

744
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: been the case for twenty five years. All right, let

745
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: us move forward with a five man rush steps through

746
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: the pocket Tolls zone, US is gonna be intercepted, intercepted

747
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: by Justin Simmons in the end zone. Simmons his fourth

748
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: interception of the season, his fifteenth of his career. None

749
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: bigger than that one was sixty three seconds left. Dave

750
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: Logan with a call ko a. Ryan Fitzpatrick replaced the

751
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: ineffective to a tongue of by Lola on Sunday, but

752
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: Justin Simmons end zone, I n t ensure there'd be

753
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: no fits magic at Mile High and the Broncos thirteen

754
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: win greg The Dolphins had been the league's feel good

755
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: story for the past month. What did the Broncos do

756
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: to snip out all that good year? They got after

757
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: toa they got some third and long plays from Drew

758
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: Lock and they got Justin Simmons to make one of

759
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: the defensive players of the year. If you if you

760
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: see on like the All twenty two, look how far

761
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: away he was when that place started. And whether it

762
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: was through tapes, study or his feel or whatever, right

763
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: his knowledge of what Fitzpatrick was gonna do. You can't

764
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: even kill fits too much for for throwing it because

765
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: he saw Blackman his way off the screen and and

766
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: the Broncos defense deserved to win this game. Their whole

767
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: team deserved to win because they dominated. The Dolphins were

768
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: extremely lucky. I would say, uh, to be close. Late

769
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: in this game, they go to Fitzpatrick to give the

770
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: team a spark because to a tongue of voloa, UH struggled.

771
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: He did not push the ball down the field at all.

772
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was because of a foot

773
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: injury that he came into the game with or what.

774
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: But after an awkward sack, they take him out early

775
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter and fitz comes in and immediately

776
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: within two plays moves the ball more than than two

777
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: have had in about two quarters. So I think the

778
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: move made sense, and I think if you listen to

779
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: the comments after the game by both players and the

780
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: coach that To is still the quarterback. I was impressed,

781
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: and I think this is what you can do and

782
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: what you should do when you have adults in the

783
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: room and you don't treat the quarterback position like there's

784
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: some like week egoed little like your non professionals, and

785
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: To and To and fits totally reacted in the way

786
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: that you'd want to, and you gave their team the

787
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: best chance to win at the end of this game.

788
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: And now you go back to two next week. It's

789
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: like raising children. If you treat your if you treat

790
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: your four year old like he's one, he's still gonna

791
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: act like he's won let him grow up. I'll how

792
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: you treat quarterbacks. I agree with you so much. Greg. Alright,

793
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: so Devil's advocate here to a struggles again in the

794
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: first half. Next week, do you put Ryan Fitzpatrick again?

795
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: And if it happens the next week, do you do

796
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: it again? Because it wasn't the point of this too.

797
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: All Right, we know we're kind of on the fringe

798
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: of the playoff race. This is a few weeks back,

799
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: but we were gonna go to this kid we want

800
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: to get a look at him. Maybe you could raise

801
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: the ceiling. For better or worse, we get we get

802
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 1: a guy that gets valuable experience. Don't you start messing

803
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: with that if you start yanking him in and out

804
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: of the lineup. I mean, it was one quarter the

805
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: experience he was getting year. It was no longer useful now.

806
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: The injury, even though Flora didn't it, I mean, we

807
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: don't know. Flora said it didn't and they sort of

808
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: don't want it to be a story. And two it

809
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: doesn't want it to be a story. Um. But the

810
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: same foot he was on the injury report got rolled

811
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: up on and stepped on on the play before he left.

812
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: But he made it clear and this has happened in

813
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: a couple of games, his first start and now this one,

814
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: that he wasn't moving this offense. You know, they the

815
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: offensive line wasn't protecting him. They couldn't run the ball,

816
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: and the three times he tried to push it down

817
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: the field, it wasn't closed. So it wasn't pretty. And

818
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: the Broncos defense was dominating. They had a hundred yards

819
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: and eight drives. The only reason, uh they got a

820
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: touchdown early was because of a bad Drew lock interception.

821
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: The only reason they got that touchdown is also because

822
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: another Justin Simmons beautiful interception of Tua was overturned by

823
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: a questionable penalty. So so I don't blame him. They

824
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: they're they're trying to win games. I think that's the goal.

825
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: Dan is to play to us and to make the playoffs,

826
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: to do both, and they tried a thread that needle.

827
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: I see the complete opposite situation to like Justin Herbert,

828
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: where Justin Herbert is you know, all the big names

829
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: around him um on defense and special teams are not

830
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: propping him up at all. Uh, He's doing a lot

831
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: on his own. Two remarkable extents, um to A has

832
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: played a couple of games where I have seen you know,

833
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: quarters go by at a time where I'm just not

834
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: seeing it. I think he can do really like you

835
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: see them, the awareness, the accuracy, uh, the poise, UM

836
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: a couple of plays where you're just like, yes, he

837
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: will be a productive, intriguing starter. But he has been

838
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: highly supported. To Dan's point from our Thursday show, UM,

839
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: you know Andrew van Ginkl can be linked to like

840
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: two of their wins they've had, um endless turnovers, they've

841
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: their defense has played as well as it's as you

842
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: could possibly ask it to. Special teams has been super impactful.

843
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: So on a daylight today when that didn't quite happen, Um,

844
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: and it was more just on toa you get caught.

845
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: And I think it's fair to say we just talked

846
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: about Carson Wentz not being benched. I mean, why not

847
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: treat Carson Wentz like an adult and sit him and

848
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: see what you have as well? Not to go back

849
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: down that alley. But um, I hear that, Like you know,

850
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: there's I think the standards are different in different situations,

851
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: I think. And it's also, yeah, I think you're a

852
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: head coach. You get paid to kind of evaluate the

853
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: situation that's in front of you. At that point, we're

854
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: we're a couple of minutes into the fourth quarter of

855
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: a game that was all you know, felt all felt

856
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: all but over. It's it's to me, it's a little

857
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: different than going into a game like that. But I

858
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: think it does point out one of the Dolphins as

859
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: big as flaws, they were always going to play with

860
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: a small margin for air, but the number one flaw

861
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: they have is they're one of the worst rush defenses

862
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: in the league. Philip Lindsay and Melvin Gordon ran all

863
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: over them almost for two hundred yards on thirty carries,

864
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: and they have gotten into these games scripts where they've

865
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: been ahead each and every week. They're the best first

866
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: quarter team in the NFL, and it's really limited the

867
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: other team from trying to run. I mean, the Broncos

868
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: ran on a third nine eight in the game when

869
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: they needed points because they didn't want Drew Lock to

870
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: throw an interception didn't even work. But that just gonna

871
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: showed you where they're like. Run game was today and

872
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a problem for Miamis they kind of do.

873
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: They are a team I think because of their defense

874
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: that really can play with the lead a lot better.

875
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: All Right, speaking of Justin Herbert, Herbert rolls to his left,

876
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: still holding the ball, goes to the end zone to

877
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: touchdown Chargers Keenan Allen. Why not at a touchdown to

878
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: all those catches and yards today, a nice bowl on

879
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: a half of an afternoon and the third touchdown toss

880
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: from Herbert. Keenan Allen's had a lot of big games

881
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: in this league, but this is gonna end up being

882
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: the biggest when it's all set up. Thank you who

883
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: got what we needed. Matt money Smith with the call,

884
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: k Y s R. Justin Herbert through three touchdowns in

885
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: the game for the fifth time this season. That's a

886
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: new NFL rookie record. And Keenan Allen, what else can

887
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: you say? You piled up an amazing six team catches

888
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: in this game, including that thirteen yard score final score

889
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: Chargers over the Jets at Hollywood Park. Herbert was great.

890
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: My concerns about what his haircut could mean for his

891
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: rookie season unfounded. He threw for nearly three yards in

892
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: the first half, picking on an underman Jets secondary that

893
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: was starting three rookies. Uh, so you kind of saw

894
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: it coming. Uh, And yet it was still impressive to watch.

895
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: And Herbert is on a game by game basis so

896
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: impressive to watch. That said, if your charges, then it's

897
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: still a little bit annoying watching this team, even when

898
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: they win. Uh. The game starts with a blocked punt

899
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: that leads to a Jets touchdown followed by a fumble

900
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: at the one yard line. Uh, when they were going

901
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: in for a score. Then they get the game together,

902
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: they take control, and then they almost give the game away. Uh.

903
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: They give up three straight long scoring drives to the Jets.

904
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: The Jets in the second half and then go three

905
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: and out with a chance to salt the game away

906
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, giving Joe Flacco the ball and

907
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: an eight point deficit which should have been six, but

908
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: Sam Ficken uh missed two extra points. Uh. Credit to

909
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: Los Angeles for making the stand at that point, uh

910
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: and getting the Jets to go um turnover on downs.

911
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: But even then, like Jets were knocking on the door.

912
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: They were, and I believe the thirty yard line of

913
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: the Chargers with a minute or so to play before

914
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: a fourth down in completion in the end zone to

915
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims. So they close out the game. But at

916
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: the same time, if you're Chargers fans, you're just you're

917
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: just a little bit exhausted by the trajectory of all

918
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: these games in the Anthony Lynn era. But that's my

919
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: general takeaway. There's that frustration. But men, justin Herbert would

920
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: stud he's gonna like smash the rookie touchdown record. Um,

921
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: he leads the league in fifty plus yard completions. I mean,

922
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: he can do it all. And like I you know,

923
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: we're watching, you know, four games at once, and I'm

924
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: trying to keep track of of my game, but all

925
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: I can do is my eyes are just drawn to

926
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: what Justin Herbert is doing. He's that watchable and that unique.

927
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: So I mean, I guess it's a Jets man, Dan.

928
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: You kind of would like to think that a year

929
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: from now, um, after this horrible autumn into winter, you'd

930
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: have a quarterback like that, um capturing people's attention the

931
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: same way. And Joe Flacco again not a star performance

932
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: by any stretch. And in fact, he threw a grizzly

933
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: pick six the play after that Charger's fumble in the

934
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: first quarter. He just floated one into the flat. Uh

935
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: and a Chargers defender stepped into it. I want to

936
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: give him the love that he deserves. It was oh

937
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: Tavon Campbell stepped in front of it for the touchdown.

938
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: Uh tavan Campbell, so that the former Lakers player, Yes, Campbell,

939
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: I believe it is uh so. But Flacco again showed

940
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: he's the one thing he has left is a deep ball,

941
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: and he kept on bonds away. Uh Rashard Perryman will

942
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: give him to the Saints stand Well, maybe Brashard Perryman

943
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: had another long touchdown. Chris hern didn't even have a

944
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: touchdown in this game, and and uh, you saw some

945
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: nice things from Denzel mims Um, who I really think

946
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: is going to be a player if they could ever

947
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: get an offense figured out. He's really flashed the last

948
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: couple of weeks since coming back from those hamstring injuries.

949
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: So that's where the Jets are out there. Oh and

950
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: ten for the first time enfranchise history and six losses

951
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: away from guaranteeing themselves. Trevor Lawrence, I feel mistreated and

952
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: lied to by the NFL draft industrial complex about Justin Herbert.

953
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: I understand why twofl a few spots coming off that

954
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: major injury, but all the doubters for Justin Herbert and

955
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: look at I'm too lazy to watch it take myself

956
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to college football, so I can't say much,

957
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: but I can't believe this guy's arm and just the

958
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: style in which he plays that he had so many doubters. Well,

959
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: I think it goes to you know, you gotta look

960
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: at their coaching staff in college and the type of

961
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: offense that they run that people just never saw him

962
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: in the position to make it. But yes, you would

963
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: think that a guy with that armstring. You saw it

964
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: show up today, like on the Mike Williams touchdown. The

965
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: fact that his arm is so strong is why the

966
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: defenders are out of position for Williams to go run

967
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: after it. You know. Night our former guest Nate Tice

968
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: pointed out this sixty yard bomb that he threw where

969
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: like the ball never even left the screen because it

970
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: was it was so hard. I mean, he he is

971
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: getting to the point where he is gonna be in

972
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: the mix of the best rookie seasons by a quarterback ever.

973
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, he's a top ten quarterback in

974
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: the NFL right now. I've never seen I've never seen

975
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback play better than Justin Herbert. I haven't,

976
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: I haven't, right, you mean in terms of overall NFL.

977
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if I could give me any quarterback in

978
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: the league. I'm not saying word. I'm even just saying

979
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: for like a game tomorrow. You know, I'm just for

980
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: like right now, Yeah, easy, top ten. He's been as

981
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: productive at any quarterback in the league since he took

982
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: over the starting lineup. And we'll get to it a

983
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: little bit later. Unfortunately, He also locked up Offensive Rookie

984
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: of the Year today with the injury to Joe Burrow unfortunately.

985
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: One quick thing to West's point, I mean, if you're

986
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: the Oregon coaching staff, how do you like, Hey, season

987
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: ticket holders, we had what potentially was a Hall of

988
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: Fame quarterback for four years and through screen passes and

989
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: ran run play option, buy tickets. Now, Yeah, I'm looking

990
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: at the stats. He he had thirty two touchdowns, six

991
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: interceptions of seven passer rating yards, seven sixty seven percent

992
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: completion completion percentage, good numbers in Oregon. A r look.

993
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't watch a second of college football, so that

994
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: was not coming from an educated place. But no, we

995
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: had heard that that he his college game had some flaws,

996
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: which obviously um there was some bad talking of him.

997
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: But anyway, he's a stud. Good for Chargers fans, move

998
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: Walker to throw as time on courts, A long one

999
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: end zone, Samuel Yes, our touchdown, Carolina McK mixing with

1000
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: the call, welcome back to the show, mcmix and it's

1001
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: been a while. W bt T. No Teddy Bridgewater, no

1002
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. No problem for the Carolina Panthers who got

1003
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass from XFL legend p J Walker and

1004
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: a shutdown performance in their defense twenty zip over the Lions.

1005
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: Mark did the Lions forget to show up there? What

1006
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: had happened exactly? Fireball offense. This this is the game

1007
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: that I would I would point to Um for the

1008
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: reasons you just mentioned who was not on the field

1009
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: for Caroline and just say, Matt Patricia, you gotta be

1010
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: kidding me here, you gotta be kidding me. But here's

1011
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: the thing. P J Walker, Um, he had he had

1012
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: two interceptions in the end zone, so it was not

1013
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: a perfect game. But this guy can throw and like

1014
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: he had a fifty two yards strike to d J Moore,

1015
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: who blew up in this game. And it looked like

1016
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: they had been practicing together for weeks. I mean, the

1017
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: thing the first thing you look for is that they'd

1018
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: be at a sink um and there were moments like that.

1019
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: But Robbie Anderson was there for and Robbie Anderson and

1020
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: p J Walker played at Temple together under Matt rules.

1021
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: So again it's like I think there was trust and

1022
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: p J Walker and they didn't really change the offense

1023
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: that much for him. They kind of let him wing

1024
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: it and and you know, Matthew Stafford had the hand thing. Um,

1025
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: I didn't notice any effects from that. This It's just

1026
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: that I think into this game that that was not

1027
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: an issue at all. Well it wasn't an issue, but

1028
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: but the way they coached the game, it made me

1029
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: think that they were a little concerned about Stafford's ability

1030
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: to air it out against a defense that's allowed teams

1031
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: to do that to some degree. They ran the ball

1032
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: NonStop in the first half. They they really looked to me, uh,

1033
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: like they were in tank mode. I mean, and I

1034
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: know they're not. I know they're not. I think they're

1035
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: just a confused organization. I mean it was an barrassing

1036
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: lost like you're You're Dragon Lions fans through a lot

1037
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: because on top of it, I mean, they could not

1038
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: protect Matthew Stafford. The Panthers had five sacks today and

1039
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: that's not been there calling hard all year. So I

1040
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: just think they got They came in and got completely

1041
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: outplayed by a team that believes in itself more no

1042
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: matter who's on the field. I mean, and we've seen

1043
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: the Panthers get close and it's like it's time to

1044
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: close out one of these games. Um, and so that

1045
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: happened today. I'm not shocked that, you know, they gotta

1046
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: win like this at some point, but I'm surprised it

1047
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: came with no Teddy Um and Christian McCaffrey's losses. You know,

1048
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: there's no replacing him, but Mike Davis has been a

1049
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: pretty awesome filling week to week and so you know,

1050
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: they this this to me. Like I pointed the Lions

1051
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: and say, if you stick with this coaching staff, um,

1052
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: you have a lot of answers to give to your

1053
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: fan base, who should be as frustrated as any fan

1054
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: base in the league right now. Dealing with injuries is

1055
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: like the number one sign I think of good coaching staffs.

1056
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: So the Lions had massive injuries too. When I saw

1057
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: that Amondola and Gola Day and Swift were out, I

1058
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: mean where is their offense? They were a tough offense

1059
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: to watch with those three guys. You know, Amondola's kind

1060
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: of you know, tertiary compared to those other two. But

1061
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: that is there are like Swift, Swift, that Gola Day.

1062
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: That's it. So it doesn't surprise me their coaching staff

1063
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: couldn't scheme up much to do. But still the get

1064
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: out I'm not expecting them to get shut out. I

1065
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: would not have been. I'm saying it's it's inexcusable, But

1066
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: that's a sign I think when you compare these two

1067
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: coaching staffs with the difference between them. Yeah, and on

1068
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: the other side, God like Mike Davis, who two coaching

1069
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: staffs in Chicago and Carolina couldn't do anything with him

1070
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: last year. Yep. But Matt Role staff can and p J. Walker.

1071
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: How many other guys are out there who are, like

1072
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's just playing in other leagues or not

1073
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: not in the NFL. Come come straight in and win

1074
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: a game like this. The only time the Lions showed

1075
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: life in this game. They got a flee fu flee

1076
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: flicker touchdown uh from Stafford to Marvin Jones um that

1077
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: was wiped away in the third quarter on a legal

1078
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: formation call on Marvin Jones. So that would have made

1079
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: it fourteen seven, and then maybe who knows what happens.

1080
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: I think that was the spiritual end of this game,

1081
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: because it just you could just could tell that the

1082
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: Detroit could do they could get nothing done here. It's

1083
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: it's the watches on, It's I don't think there's any

1084
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: more question, because this Lion's team is not going anywhere.

1085
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: We know that they're heading towards nine or ten losses,

1086
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: and they will be one of the teams it seems

1087
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: destined to be searching for a coach come January. This

1088
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: was a big step toward that direction. Let's move on

1089
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: top top switch. I feel you, Lions fans. We're in

1090
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: this together. Play fake looking. In the middle of the

1091
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: end of two Schultz touchdown with a minute thirty seven left,

1092
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: Dalton de Schultz and the Cowboys have regained the lead.

1093
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, aren't at sham the sham god? Okay, l

1094
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: d oh, Greggy, I'm talking about the Eagles stone first place.

1095
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: Guess what. There's another team in the mix now, the

1096
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: NFC East, four of them. Don't you ever? Don't you

1097
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: ever count out the going Gingerman Andy Dalton with three

1098
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: touchdowns in his return from a concussion and COVID related absence,

1099
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: including that go ahead strike. The dune of Dalton salts

1100
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: late in the north quarter. Cowboys beat the king Mark

1101
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: You talked to Bathom. But yes, the Cowboys are now

1102
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: in the mix legitimately again in the NFC East, which

1103
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: says so much. They are They play Washington on Thursday,

1104
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: so you know, they have a chance to pick up

1105
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: another win and separate from Washington. It's just it's kind

1106
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: of weird in like mid November, late November, to watch

1107
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: like a two win team come into Sunday with so

1108
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: much to play for and uh they looked like you know,

1109
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: having watched the Eagles, you know, minutes before, this team

1110
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: brought much more life. I think their defense is improving

1111
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um guys like Laton Vanderesh looked to

1112
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 1: me over the last three or four weeks the way

1113
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: that I remember Laton Vanderesh from the past. Uh. There

1114
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: like the scheme. Maybe maybe you know, people complained about

1115
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: the scheme being tough to deal with. Maybe it just

1116
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: took you know, the a Brother's team that could have

1117
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: used a real preseason to go through some of this.

1118
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: But the story of the game was both quarterbacks and

1119
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: the offenses. I felt what I felt like it was

1120
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: tough to watch one of them lose because Kirk Cousins

1121
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: was lights out and I mean the wide receiver play

1122
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 1: in this game was unbelievable. I'm sure you all saw

1123
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: the Ceedee Lamb catch, which was um, you know, I uh,

1124
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: the Odell Beckham catch. There's one of these, like there's

1125
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: maybe two or three of these these kind of plays

1126
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: um a year or even every five years, because that

1127
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: was something that was just remarkable to watch. Adam Feeling

1128
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: had a one handed touchdown grab in this. He had

1129
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: a second one handed grab as well, so the wide

1130
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: receiver and Justin Jefferson did more Justin Jefferson things, So

1131
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: that was the fun part of this. There were six

1132
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: lead chain is four of them in the fourth quarters,

1133
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: so it's just sort of a matter of who would

1134
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: um have the ball last, and Dalvin Cook Dallas did

1135
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: a nice job against him early. He got real hot

1136
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: towards the end, and I saw Dallas' defense get worn down,

1137
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: and I thought a couple of times the Vikings were

1138
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: gonna kind of blow the lid off the thing and

1139
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: just walk away with it because their season is obviously

1140
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: on the line as well. But Andy Dalton, like give

1141
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: him credit. I mean this Dallas team, uh, they have

1142
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: so many parts they look so they look like, you know,

1143
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: everyone's ditching all the parts getting rid of them off

1144
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: your fantasy team. But guys like Ceedee Lamb brought life today.

1145
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: Um Amari Cooper had a couple of big catches as

1146
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: Zekiel Elliott ran for his first hundred yard outing of

1147
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: the year. Tony Pollard, I think it's a nice compliment

1148
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: to him at a big, huge touchdown run himself. So

1149
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: Dallas has life and they're more fun to watch in

1150
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: the Eagles. So I'm I would rather see Dallas, Uh,

1151
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, make something out of this. Uh and and

1152
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: and four? John, This shouldn't be impossible that if Andy

1153
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: Dalton could just be basically Andy Dalton. He doesn't need

1154
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: to be special because he never really has been, but

1155
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: he's been proficient for large chunks of his career. They

1156
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: should be able to score to thirty points a game

1157
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: with this team, even if it's not the same offense

1158
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: it used to be. The offensive line isn't as good,

1159
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: there's still enough there and Dalton is capable. West am

1160
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: I crazy? I mean? Is it crazy to think that

1161
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys this should be not an aberration this

1162
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: week but something we see more often going forward, Dalton

1163
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: getting more comfortable and the Cowboys becoming not embarrassing anymore

1164
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: on offense. I think you're right, and I think we've

1165
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: seen a team that's kind of transformed. They seem like

1166
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: a different team November two than they were October two,

1167
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: Like they've I think Mark mentioned their improved defense, and

1168
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: it's not just a little bit. I think they're much improved.

1169
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: And they did get worn down today. You know, it's

1170
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: not good to be given up a hundred and sixty

1171
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: yards to Dalvin Cook and great games for Thalan and Jefferson,

1172
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: But but I do think you're not gonna roll into

1173
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: Dallas and just pile up yards and points on on

1174
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: the Cowboys like you could earlier in the year. Well

1175
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: say they won the game too, write they mean they

1176
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: did win the game. They got Zack Martin back and

1177
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: he played right tackle actually um and played really well.

1178
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: So I think that, you know, the line health in Dallas,

1179
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: and it seems to be a theme with all these teams,

1180
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: like they have I think more offensive line combinations and

1181
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: pretty much just about anyone. But getting him back today

1182
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: was a spark. Yeah, everyone was crushing, including me, Mike McCarthy.

1183
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: So we should give them credit, you know, their offensive line,

1184
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: not just it's not just that they lost, like future

1185
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers and all this stuff. It's just it

1186
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: all happened at once where you had like four or

1187
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: five new starters at once, and so it's very encouraging

1188
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: if you think back to the last time Dalton played,

1189
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: which was against Washington, and this offense was inoperable, that

1190
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: they've gotten it together and that that does go to coaching,

1191
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: it goes to these these young players. Um. But part

1192
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: of it is is more of it is the defense

1193
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: to me, and I know they gave up a lot

1194
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: of points here, but when Kirk Cousins gets the ball

1195
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: the way that they were rolling today and they go

1196
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: four and out when all they gotta do is kick

1197
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: a field goal to get it to overtime, and Alden

1198
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: Smith get who has been awesome, gets a quarterback hit

1199
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: and Randy Greggy Gregory, who looks pretty good coming off

1200
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: a couple of years off because the suspensions, looks pretty good.

1201
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean that that's major. I mean they touchdown past

1202
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: the Schultz was absolutely outschemed the Vikings and Mike Zimmer

1203
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it was a busted coverage

1204
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: or what, but the fact that Schultz didn't have anyone

1205
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: around him within about six or seven yards in the

1206
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: end zone with one thirty seven to play on the

1207
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: go ahead score. So yeah, maybe it's this is a night.

1208
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: We'll give some credit to Mike McCarthy and Kellen Wore

1209
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: because certainly it's been tea off all season long on

1210
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: these guys, and it's been deserved because they entered this

1211
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: game two and seven, and quite frankly, we're not uh

1212
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: competitive after a Dak went down initially, But you just, man,

1213
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: who's gonna win the NFC East? If the Cowboys start

1214
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: playing like this, you would think, well, someone's gonna get

1215
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: someone's gonna get a fourth win on Thanksgiving and we'll

1216
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: have the most wins. I don't. I guess that puts

1217
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: them in first place either Washington. Uh. And it's a

1218
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: tough last for the old team of zeus Ciel also

1219
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: stuck on four wins. It's a tough one, yeah, because

1220
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: this felt like a hiccup game. I talked about it

1221
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: on Thursday. I didn't think they were gonna end up

1222
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: ten and six. They were gonna shoot themselves in the

1223
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: foot at some point, and but doing it at home

1224
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: against Alice, it's it's not it's not a good look.

1225
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm not writing them off. I still think they can

1226
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: get to nine wins and find their way into the playoffs.

1227
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: But now they just made their path a lot more difficult.

1228
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: I will say that they have the Panthers and Jaguars

1229
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: coming up, so they can get back to six and

1230
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,439
Speaker 1: six by mid December and be okay, but not good,

1231
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: not good. Alright, and before we move on, let's welcome

1232
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: in the great Nick Shook. He has been an invaluable

1233
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: bench player for the podcast this season, and now he

1234
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: joins us along with I love when there's the two

1235
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: bald guys on at the same time. What's up, Shook? Yeah,

1236
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: you have the good bald duo right here, right next

1237
01:02:58,600 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: to each other in the screen for those you good.

1238
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: I love that chair for you. It looks like your

1239
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: trap muscles never stopped. Yeah. See this is like this

1240
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: is the back. Yeah, so that I should probably not

1241
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: wear black, but a lot of what I have is

1242
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: black because it's first at all. You look like you're

1243
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: right now in the holidayl volcano in the middle Pacific Ocean,

1244
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: ready to blast some island off the face of the earth.

1245
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: I am very much not in that setting. I mean

1246
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: the windy cold Bluff Street, Cleveland. All right, let's check

1247
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: in with the Cincinnati Bengals. A tough day in Cincinnati Burrow,

1248
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: now running to the side, tried to get to the

1249
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: corner of the end Zode Oh. Chase just tagged him.

1250
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: The ball is out and recovered there. There's a flag down,

1251
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: which I think it's gonna be a hole to get Cincinnati.

1252
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: But Young caused a big turnover crushing in the borrow.

1253
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: It was recovered out of bounds. That was violent. But

1254
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: Chase going up against his fellow teammate from Ohio State

1255
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: that's Bram Weinstein and Juliet Donaldson for w t e

1256
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: M number two pick. He's Young reacquainted himself with number

1257
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: one picked Joe Burrow at the goal line on Sunday.

1258
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: His crushing hit on fourth down a huge play in

1259
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: Washington's twenty to nine wins over the Bangles. Sadly shook

1260
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: the big news out of this game. There was a

1261
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: different hit on Burrow, uh one that ended his fantastic

1262
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,959
Speaker 1: rookie season. Yeah, and it kind of swung the entire

1263
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: tone of the game. The Bengals had to leave when

1264
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: that happened, and then pretty much just fell silent for

1265
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: the rest of the game. Outscored thirteen and nothing for

1266
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: the remainder of the contest, and you can kind of

1267
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: feel the air sucked out of them when they saw

1268
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: Burrow leave on the cart. You saw a lot of

1269
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: players from both teams, a lot of former Ohio State

1270
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 1: players who were teammates that Joe Burrow for a couple

1271
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: of years going over to give him their best wishes.

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01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: But um, I mean it kind of reminds me of

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01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, you lose your your alpha male, your a leader.

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01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: Because Burrow is a guy. Although he's a rookie, he's

1275
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: a guy this team has rallied around almost from the beginning. Um,

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01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: he's a kind of guy. You know. Somebody like to

1277
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: talk to you about about the game, likes to say

1278
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: that he's the kind of guy where if you find

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01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: yourself in a fight, he's coming over the top to

1280
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: to throw a haymaker and get in the middle of it.

1281
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 1: He's sitting on the side like some pretty boy wood

1282
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: And I think that's the type of guy. Um that

1283
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: this team has has rallied around. And and you take

1284
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: that away and suddenly they're the Bengals of old, which

1285
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: is the Ryan Finley Bengals, which is the Bengals that

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01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: don't stand much of a chance even if they are

1287
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: improved in other areas and that's kind of what you

1288
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: saw for the remainder of the game. It really kind

1289
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: of punctuates to me what has been a concern for

1290
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people and I know definitely myself this season. Kid,

1291
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: they protect Joe Burrow long enough to get through the

1292
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: season and and keep his health in order, because he

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01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: is obviously the franchise guy. He's looked like the guy.

1294
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: He can be their guy for the next decade plus

1295
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: if they can keep him upright and keep him on

1296
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: the field. Unfortunately, the nightmares came true today and we'll

1297
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: have to wait until next year to continue. Joe Burrows

1298
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: young and extremely promising, still career. HM. When I saw

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01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: the moment I saw the replay, I knew he's done

1300
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: for the year. And just images. Cincinnati is such a

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01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: heartbroken city when it comes to injuries, and to see

1302
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: just flash through my mind Carson Palmer sacked by chem

1303
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: of on olha Um, Kenyan Martin University of Cincinnati basketball

1304
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: player breaking his leg, ka Johanna Carter tearing his knee

1305
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,439
Speaker 1: in his first preseason before he ever plays a game.

1306
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: I mean Ken Griffe Jr's hamstring. It just goes on

1307
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: and on. Tim crumb Rose broken leg in the Super Bowl.

1308
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: Just a heartbroken city and just to have to deal

1309
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: with this again. I had had boots on the ground

1310
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: and since you are boys spice track. He texted me this.

1311
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: Every Bengals fan I know hope for one thing this

1312
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: season borrow avoiding a devastating injury. That's it, no exaggeration.

1313
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, yeah, it's it's unbelievable that that's certain organizations

1314
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: just can't shake terrible things like this happening to them.

1315
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: Because that was the big takeaway of this season was yes,

1316
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: the Bengals were not going to be a playoff team

1317
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: this year, and who knew if they had the right

1318
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: leadership on the sideline at this point, and they certainly

1319
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: need need more players around, but they had this guy

1320
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: to build around and they still do. But now you

1321
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: throw in the complication of a reconstructive knee surgery and

1322
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: the timing of it, you would think sets him up

1323
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: to be ready for Week one, but then, of course,

1324
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: in the back of your mind, you're wondering if this

1325
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: affects him as an athlete going forward. We've been talking

1326
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: everyone just trying to figure out Carson Wentz, what's wrong

1327
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz and one of the theories is that

1328
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: after he blew out his knee and then he suffered

1329
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: the back injury, that he lost some of that quick

1330
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: twitch ability. You just hope that with the advances and

1331
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: where we are technology and medicine and rehab, that he'll

1332
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: come back and be the same guy. But we didn't

1333
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: even want to have to have this conversation, and yet

1334
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: here we are. Yeah. I had had a conversation with

1335
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: another another friend today during that game before he got

1336
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: hurt about how you know, they just haven't been able

1337
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: to really protect him well, and a lot of that

1338
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: is due to injuries up front, but also a personnel decisions.

1339
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: You know, they've tried to invest in the offensive line

1340
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: the last few years, Jonah Williams being one of them.

1341
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: He couldn't play his entire rookie year because of an injury,

1342
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: and he was able to come back and has been

1343
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: part of the mix. But you know, you make decisions

1344
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: like going and resigning a right tackle like Bobby Hard

1345
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: who wasn't strong, who's been a little bit better since then.

1346
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: You've had a rotating cast or right guard for much

1347
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: of the season. Um, you never want to pin a

1348
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: devastating injury on decision makers. But at the same time,

1349
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: when you do spend your first overall pick on a

1350
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback and you set him out there behind an

1351
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: offensive line that's just not the best, you are setting

1352
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: yourself up for a risk for something like this. I mean,

1353
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: we could go back into history of the league and

1354
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: think about a guy like Tim Couch for example, who

1355
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: was put behind a terrible offensive line in Cleveland. I mean,

1356
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: this is not the first time this has happened. It's

1357
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: just a terrible outcome that you never want to see

1358
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 1: any happen to anybody. And the fact that it has happened,

1359
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: now you know you have to double down an offensive

1360
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: line protection going for it. But again you worry, did

1361
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: he lose something that he might never get back with

1362
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: an injury like that? Now that how does it affect

1363
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 1: next year? You know, how does it affect him? A

1364
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of times. You know John Watson

1365
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: even you know, slightly different player and not quite the

1366
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: same in that first year back. It just makes the

1367
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: evaluation of Zach Taylor harder. So we'll see my my

1368
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: sense because it's Mike Brown and the contract that Zach

1369
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: Taylor got in the history of the Bengals is they

1370
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: might not even really be thinking about firing Zach Taylor

1371
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: and the way that that fans would um. But it

1372
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: just at this point, you're gonna be playing out the

1373
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: string with Ryan Finley, and so you gotta you're basically

1374
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: almost making your decision on Taylor right now. Is he

1375
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: the right guy to shepherd Joe Burrow for the next

1376
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: few years? Is he the right guy to coach up

1377
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: in offensive line? Because coaching is is a huge part

1378
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: of uh the offensive line, and they've struggled to put

1379
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: it out. But I remember a show like back in

1380
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,560
Speaker 1: April when we you know, Unsolved Mysteries, and one of

1381
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: the topics was we have no idea who Zach Taylor is.

1382
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm not a lot closer to knowing who he is now. Um,

1383
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: And they're clearly gonna if you look at the way

1384
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: this game played out after Burrow went out, they're gonna

1385
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: free fall. So you're gonna you're gonna, you know, you're

1386
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: you're not gonna learn much about Zach Taylor from here

1387
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: to the end of the season. I don't know, I

1388
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: mean you you know, I could see them they're gonna

1389
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: do one or two things, probably cling to him too

1390
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: long or bring back Marvin Lewis would be the other thing.

1391
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: I can see they're gonna be picking in the top five,

1392
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: and I guess you can learn from this invest in

1393
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: that offensive line that feels like a no doubt or

1394
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: a no brainer for Cincinnati. Hopefully there's a prospect they

1395
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: hit on and do a better job protecting Joe Burrow

1396
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: and year two than they did in year one. And

1397
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: a shout out to Alex Smith. He won a game

1398
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: for the first time since November eleven, two th eighteen,

1399
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: one week before he broke his fibula and tibia in

1400
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: his right leg and nearly died from it. So his

1401
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: comeback story kind of now has come all the way there. Uh,

1402
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: and good for him and he's, you know someone for

1403
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: now he's going to yeah, exactly. Now he's gonna be

1404
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 1: on the most watched game of the year traditionally is

1405
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: the Cowboys game on Thanksgiving. Alex Smith in a big spot,

1406
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: trying to get into first place. They're a frisky team

1407
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 1: and they've been a better offense with Alex Smith behind center.

1408
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's that hard to to say

1409
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 1: that they've been better. He's an inspiration for me. M

1410
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 1: west go on, I want to hear that. That's I

1411
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: just wanted to say that you. So I've read where

1412
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: studies have been done on pro athletes, specifically NFL players

1413
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 1: on I R and the depression connected to it. Because

1414
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: first of all, you're anybody who is taken out of

1415
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: society for a while in their job eventually comes to

1416
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: ask what's my purpose? What am I doing? That's a

1417
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: big one. But second of all, and this is particularly

1418
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: pertinent for Alex Smith, is our relation to pain and

1419
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: time spent by yourself? Um is one thing. Time spent

1420
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: by yourself with pain is something entirely different. So for

1421
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: him to go through all that, that gets my respect.

1422
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: Well put of course, West and we see the parallels

1423
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 1: to what you're dealing with. And you know you have

1424
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: our respect through the roof, buddy, and we love you.

1425
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 1: And every time you're on this show, that's a better show.

1426
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: And you've on it again, So thank you, Thanks guys us.

1427
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: The legend Chris Westling goes out on you know, do

1428
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: they have what's the podcast awards as a Webbys or

1429
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 1: whatever whatever it is that that money again, what is

1430
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: the one that got We got a Stitcher Award, Civil award,

1431
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: the physical award is on someone's mantles, like in on

1432
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: the East Coast somewhere at this point we did I

1433
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: think we also got Best New Podcast iTunes Honorable Mention

1434
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: or something. We were like, oh, that's right. They gave

1435
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: it to a Yeah, they gave it to like five

1436
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: or six, and were one, yeah, give it to alright,

1437
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: let's move on. Chuoky. He gets the snap, throws it

1438
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: long down the near sideline Chase clay Pool with a

1439
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: diving crab for a touchdown for clay Pool, the rookie

1440
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: out of Notre Dame. That is here's seventh touchdown receiving.

1441
01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: Make that number eight on the year, Bill Hill Grove

1442
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: w d V. And there's that check music, and we're

1443
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: playing it every week because the Steelers win every week.

1444
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: They're now tenant. Oh. After Ben Roethlisberger through two touchdown passes,

1445
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 1: including that thirty two yard connection to Chase Claypool, Pittsburgh

1446
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: cruises as expected to a seven to three win over

1447
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Claypool, um I would like you to think

1448
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: about him when you're evaluating the best rookie whiteouts. This season.

1449
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: He has ten touchdowns in ten games. Greg this one

1450
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: win his playing. Yeah, it did. And you know, I

1451
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: know we're maybe like a little heavy to use an

1452
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 1: industry term on the show. We can save some time

1453
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 1: here that that. Two big takeaways I have from this

1454
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: game is that Ben Roethlisberger's arm has looked better the

1455
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: last two weeks. I think he's made more impressive throws

1456
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: in the last two weeks than any part of the season.

1457
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: He had some plays today where just his anticipation and

1458
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: arm strength was awesome, kind of the old Ben plays.

1459
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: And that's what I was looking for. Early in the season.

1460
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 1: He was playing effective, but you weren't getting those Ben

1461
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: Roth the spurger throws. And you got him today, you

1462
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: got him last week. I love that. And then we

1463
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: talked about this group as like a bunch of like

1464
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,839
Speaker 1: really great receivers, and they are, for sure, but Deante

1465
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: Johnson's the one. I mean, if you look at the targets,

1466
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: he gets it. He gets fifteen targets a week, he

1467
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: gets eleven or twelve catches a week. This guy is

1468
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: a problem. Like he is by far their number one

1469
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: receiver and he's doing a week after week, which is

1470
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: it just makes it more impressive. It's really impressive too

1471
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: when you consider the consistent impact Chase Claypool's head usually

1472
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: in scoring out so much in yards, but definitely in

1473
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: scoring that they can spread it around this well between

1474
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: him and Deonti Johnson to where you know, correct being

1475
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but Judrew Smith Schuster is bordering on

1476
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: an afterthought at times. I don't know a weekly basis,

1477
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: but at times you forget that he's part of that

1478
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: receiving corp as well because of the effectiveness the other

1479
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 1: guys and Eric Ebron also kind of doing his part.

1480
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: Fore catches for thirty six yards in a touchdown today.

1481
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: He's been a nice little edition for the tight end.

1482
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: Not quite as lucrative as people thought when he's signed there, um,

1483
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: but great. He's been effective for sure. So um. You know,

1484
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: it's it's a team that It's not necessarily that they

1485
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: rushed super effectively, although James Conner was really good today

1486
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: six point eight yards per carry. You expected this against

1487
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: this team, but the fact that they're so balanced, and

1488
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: of course Ben Roethlisberger playing a big part of that,

1489
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: it makes it really hard to ever pick against them

1490
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: or or think that they might lose a game. I mean,

1491
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: obviously they're tennant, know, so they get to this point.

1492
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: But when I look at them in a week by

1493
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 1: week basis, I'm like, well, it might be close, but

1494
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: I still have them winning because they've won games by

1495
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: every every fashion possible. It's been close, it's been comebacks,

1496
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 1: it's been blowout, has been everything in between. They have

1497
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: the mark of a winning team and one you know, Dan,

1498
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: for you as the president of the Luton Night's Um,

1499
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: this is the kind of game it's you know, sometimes

1500
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: writing these newsletters is tough. You gotta dig dp. He

1501
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: had four interceptions today. He does not appear to have

1502
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: the skills necessary for this career at this level. So

1503
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna encourage you because I've been

1504
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: on the on the wrong side of some of these

1505
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 1: fan bases that just you're gonna have to take it

1506
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 1: to a new level. The coverage, think the dedication. I

1507
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: think it's time for me to pull back the curtain

1508
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: a little bit on what this was always really about.

1509
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: Out Remember the Remember the Bodyguard, Remember that movie? Sure,

1510
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner Houston Um look at Jake Luton Luton as

1511
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: the maniac that was trying to off the pop star

1512
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 1: played by Whitney Houston look at me as the Kevin

1513
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: Costner type. And I was looking, which makes sense. And

1514
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: what I saw going into this, Jake Luton Arrow, was

1515
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: you were going to gravitate towards him and latch onto him.

1516
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: And I knew that you were just going to be

1517
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: hurt again. So what I did, I constner the situation.

1518
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 1: I jumped in front of the bullet, right in front

1519
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 1: of you. You're Whitney Houston, congratulations. Took the bullet, took

1520
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: the gut shot so you wouldn't be hurt. And now

1521
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: and now I'm injured and I'm hurt. But I know

1522
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: I did the right thing. I was doing my job,

1523
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: which was always to protect you. Whitney Houston. I will

1524
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: always love you. I mean I I you live in

1525
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: a in a special fantasy world where that's the narrative

1526
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: you're coming out with this. I appreciate um. If any

1527
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: of that, if any of that were true, I would

1528
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I mean, you should be Gardner Minshew's biggest

1529
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: fan right now, Dan, you should be uh get our

1530
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: let's go letter. He was questioned about the injury report

1531
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: this week. I think. I think he's coming back in

1532
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: this Jaguars team. I know it doesn't show what the score,

1533
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 1: but their defense is playing better, and minshew, maybe you

1534
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: can get you a win and get the Jets up

1535
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: to number one. They I know they didn't show it.

1536
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: I didn't watch this game, but I know they didn't

1537
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: show anything here. They're gonna win a game once they

1538
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: get means you back in there. He's gonna have one

1539
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 1: of those games. But that doesn't happen until he's back in. Mark,

1540
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: I will always love you. Let's move on and I'm

1541
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: way to Houston. I don't like the future, but here

1542
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: we go. Shotgun, here's here's uplift wants to wait from it?

1543
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: Steps up? Who wants to run? He's drag path flings

1544
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 1: the ball forward. It's dead and Tea were on town

1545
01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: waiting twenty When I'm at an eleven ago, Mark van

1546
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: Demir haven't heard from him. A lot k I l

1547
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: z Cam Newton could have found anyone scrambled was forced

1548
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: into an incompletion, the game clinching fourth down stop for

1549
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: the Texans. They beat the Patriots. It marks Houston's first

1550
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: one of the year over a team that is not

1551
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville shook this loss. It's a killer for the

1552
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 1: Patriots and no other way around that. Yeah, it's a

1553
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 1: killer because of the uphill climb that they face. Um,

1554
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: but when I watched it, I I kept coming back

1555
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: to the same point, which was, you know, for as

1556
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: much as we've talked about how this offense has had

1557
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 1: to adjust to have a little bit of a different

1558
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: scheme with Cam Newton and they run the ball with

1559
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: him and this and that, he aired it out a

1560
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: lot today. I mean, I know they lost the game

1561
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be tough going forward, but if you

1562
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: want some encouraging signs, you get out of Cam Newton

1563
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: for three or sixty five yards in a touchdown. He

1564
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: he found his guy today was Demir Bird converted a

1565
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 1: ton of third downs with them. I think the third

1566
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: down percentage was over thanks to the contributions of Demir Bird,

1567
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: who had I believe it was a career day and

1568
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: and uh it was in couraging even if it doesn't

1569
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: end up meaning that much because of the fact that

1570
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: they're in a pretty deep hole at this point. That

1571
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: Cam Newton is not just a guy that you try

1572
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: to run a QB power with, but can also find

1573
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: open receivers from time to time. Well, their defense has

1574
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: been the story to me this season, the total collapse,

1575
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, Gilmore. I know they had some moments against

1576
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: Baltimore and they're gonna you know, they'll probably have some

1577
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: moments during the season, but this none of this season

1578
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: was gonna make sense for the Patriots with the defense

1579
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: that's in the worst ten I would say of the NFL,

1580
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: and I think they are they are comfortably there. This

1581
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: This feels like a game where it was like two

1582
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: teams that getting closer to a record that actually, um

1583
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: is where their level is. Because Houston's about as good

1584
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: at two in two and seven team that I've ever

1585
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: seen with Watson having you know, he's been a top five,

1586
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: top six quarterback this year. They deserve to be three

1587
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: and seven, and the Patriots probably deserve to be four

1588
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: and six. That's about their level. And and it's short

1589
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: circuits and he hopes they had for the playoffs. But

1590
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: the way the NFCS, the a f C is looking,

1591
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: I mean seven and three is like you need that

1592
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: right now to be in the playoffs. That's how the

1593
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 1: a f C is looking. Usually that stuff kind of

1594
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: levels out and as but there is every once in

1595
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: a while. Happened to the Patriots actually years and years

1596
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,879
Speaker 1: ago that eleven and five didn't get you in the playoffs.

1597
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: But it is interesting, uh to see how many teams

1598
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: are on pace for you know, eleven and even twelve

1599
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: wins right now. It's funny because, like we've we talked

1600
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, who's playing like amazing and changing everything we

1601
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: thought UM on a terrible team with a terrible record

1602
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: that for some reason, I maybe just because he's young

1603
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: and I feel like there's hope around him. Like this,

1604
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,839
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, this incredibly stellar season lost on this direction

1605
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: list team UM depresses me. And I think it's because

1606
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm not certain that there's a very clear way out

1607
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: of this darkness for the Houston organization on a lot

1608
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: of different levels that we can talk about down the road,

1609
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: but it just feels like a we're wasting and almost

1610
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: will be we'll have forgotten about Deshaun Watson's incredible work

1611
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: this year. He looks awesome. Well, they need to get

1612
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: They got to get past this wreckage of the Bill

1613
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: O'Brien sure era as a GM and that's gonna mean

1614
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: getting past a couple of drafts that are have been

1615
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: compromised by when now moves he made that in hindsight

1616
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: were not the right move. So yeah, that's and the

1617
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: general kind of vibe around it with easter be involved, uh,

1618
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: and the fact that they have the interim coach, there's

1619
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: just a for sure, a different kind of picture around

1620
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: the Texans as compared to the Chargers, even when to me,

1621
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson at this stage is a better quarterback than

1622
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, although maybe closer than anyone could have possibly

1623
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: thought we should know because we never we never mentioned

1624
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: this on a show that easter be Um. I think

1625
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: he did enough and got on got on enough people's

1626
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: radars that they had to make a very clear statement.

1627
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: The team president did mid last week that he will

1628
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: not be the GM, and then the owner came out

1629
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 1: and said over the weekend he will not be the GM.

1630
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: I think just that's fine. If he's choosing the GM,

1631
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,879
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's meaningless, but there was the prm

1632
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: of that they're making and I get it. But my

1633
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: I guess my point is if he's ultimately the most

1634
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: important person in setting up the GM coach structure, which

1635
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: at this point. We have every reason to believe he

1636
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: will be then all that stuff is is bogus pr

1637
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: But we don't need to talk Easter be all day again.

1638
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I will say that they do have some

1639
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: pieces in place. They have. You know, Justin Reid had

1640
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: a good game today. He had a clutch sack lead

1641
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: in the game that put the Patriots in in a

1642
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: hole and ended up resulting them settling for a field

1643
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: goal when they had a promising drive going to look

1644
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: like they could end up tying the game. Obviously, you

1645
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: have Deshaun Watson. The biggest thing they have to do

1646
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: in the offseason. I gotta figure out how to fix

1647
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 1: this running game because again no semblance of a rushing

1648
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: attack whatsoever. Deshaun Watson led them and rushing with six

1649
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 1: attempts for thirty six yards. He had a touchdown run

1650
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: that basically punctuated Greg's point about the defense when he

1651
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 1: ran right through Devin mccordy for a touchdown. I mean

1652
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: and and trucked him like he was a big running back,

1653
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 1: not a quarterback. Could we expect to make that guy

1654
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: miss or outrun him instead of running through him. But

1655
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: there are still a lot of holes to fill. It's

1656
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: not a complete wreckage. This ship isn't entirely sunk with

1657
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien going down as the captain. But they're gonna

1658
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 1: need more than some life preservers to keep it afloat

1659
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: or keep their people on board a float. Well put

1660
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: Nick Shook, which takes us to Sunday night football. Great

1661
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: protection again Mahomes to the ends of light off and

1662
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: touchdown Kelsey, Patrick Mahans, who exchanged plays like no other

1663
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: Al Michael's little skipping his step in Las Vegas with

1664
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: the call Patrick Mahomes to the great Travis Kelsey with

1665
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 1: twenties eight seconds to play in the fourth quarter of

1666
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: the deciding score and a thirty five to thirty one

1667
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 1: Chief's victory over the very game Las Vegas Raiders. Um.

1668
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: The Chiefs moved to nine and one, the Raiders fault

1669
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: to six and four, and can only ask what could

1670
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: have been if they get one more stop? Greg Both

1671
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: teams have reasons to feel good about themselves. I know

1672
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: only one team could win. Uh and you go all

1673
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: the way top to the quarterback position. This to me

1674
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 1: was the best quarterback game of the season. Maybe Russell

1675
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: Wilson Kyler Murray one. You can say rust Cama was

1676
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: pretty solid on Sunday Night, but this one was better. Okay, fine,

1677
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 1: you can talk about that one. But I thought Derek

1678
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: Carr and Patrick Mahomes put on an absolute show in

1679
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: this game, and it was a joy to watch. Really,

1680
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: it was amazing. I mean, I love watching this Chiefs team.

1681
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to take it for granted. Just the

1682
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: small things that Patrick Mahomes does, but Car matching him

1683
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: throw for throw and Car being the one for much

1684
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: of the game that went down the field and when

1685
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 1: he really needed to was able to create is what

1686
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: made this game so surprising, uh and delightful. The only

1687
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: thing that wasn't surprising was the last one fifth, the

1688
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: that that the Chiefs get the ball back after Jason

1689
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: Witton of all people, you know, give the Raiders the

1690
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: lead and they just march right down the field. I

1691
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: think Mahomes is brilliance though, came out the drive before,

1692
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: like the fourth and one play where the blitz is

1693
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: time perfectly and he has the backpedal and time that

1694
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: thing like he made. That's where like a guy like

1695
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 1: Mahomes makes it look easy. Another play where he pump

1696
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: fakes and gets it to Kelsey on the scrambled drill.

1697
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: It's like, that's those are the plays no one else

1698
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: can do. And so yeah, the Raiders get a lollipop

1699
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: and they feel good, but it's a brutal loss because

1700
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: they're not gonna win the division there six and four now,

1701
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs way by Rex years to take them

1702
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: out on the other end of the get it. I mean,

1703
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 1: I like, I I see a Raiders team fueled um,

1704
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: And I don't mean this negatively. I mean it almost

1705
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 1: positively fueled by anger, anger towards the Chiefs, and like

1706
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,600
Speaker 1: from a bird's eye view, Um, you know, Dan, you

1707
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 1: say that it's the boat. Teams have things that can

1708
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 1: take away Mike Mayock, Um and John Gruden together are

1709
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:07,560
Speaker 1: building a formidable a f C contingent here. I I

1710
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: look at guys like Josh Jacobs, Um, Jonathan Abram, Max Crosby, Hunter,

1711
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: renfro Um, and it extends to everyone else. It's just

1712
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: that they I think, you know, even looking at the

1713
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: box score three quarters in, they almost mirrored the Chiefs.

1714
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: I think they're they're They're not the Chiefs. They don't

1715
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 1: have Patrick Mahomes, they can't be. But they won the

1716
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 1: first about to go one and one if you said

1717
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: you'd go one and one and be sitting here where

1718
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: you are with your record. Um, the Raiders have to

1719
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,839
Speaker 1: be thrilled. I I think they can hang with anyone

1720
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 1: in the a f C. Um, They're they're well coached.

1721
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: Uh to me, I I watched this team and like, yeah,

1722
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: you fell tonight, but I have no problem with it. Like, um,

1723
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: I think the Raiders are just well constructed, well built,

1724
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: well coached, and you're you can't give the ball back

1725
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: to Mahomes with you know, one for five or whatever

1726
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: was going on there. Um. I also would throw in

1727
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:01,839
Speaker 1: a side comment that I don't think that al Michael's

1728
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 1: respects Leam mckugh at all. He had to he had

1729
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: to mention Leam mckugh sort of postgame theatricals at some point,

1730
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 1: and you could tell that this was also one of

1731
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: the best for all the negatives around Corona. The audible

1732
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: the audible like audio energy of this game. Being able

1733
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 1: to listen to Derek Carr and others like do pre

1734
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,799
Speaker 1: snap and um, you know, like line of incredible stuff

1735
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 1: like so, I don't know, it was a wonderful football game. Um.

1736
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: The Raiders hung in there. To me, the Chiefs, this

1737
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: is what they do. Michelle will interview the star of

1738
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: the night in and then Leon wraps up the weekend.

1739
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: Am I wrong about that? I just sensed a sense

1740
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: um a potential potential lack of respect there. Al Michael's

1741
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 1: called the Miracle on Ice forty years ago. Al Michael's

1742
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 1: has betting slips that are older than Liam mcku. So

1743
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time. It's just maybe in time,

1744
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 1: Lee will earn the respect of al Michael's, but we're

1745
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: not there yet. I think that that anger is personified

1746
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 1: by Jonathan Abram, who it became clear to me two

1747
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 1: or three weeks ago when the Raiders are playing the

1748
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: Browns that Jonathan Abram is a borderline psychopath on the

1749
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,560
Speaker 1: football field. In that game, he made a tackle on

1750
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt and ripped his own helmet off just to

1751
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: talk trash. He flies around the field like that every game.

1752
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: He took that type of anger and into this game,

1753
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 1: and I think it becomes frustration for the Raiders going forward,

1754
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,719
Speaker 1: because you're right, they are kind of building a similar fashion,

1755
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: but they don't have the X factor. Derek car is

1756
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: a good quarterback. But Patrick Mahomes is is one of

1757
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: a kind. And when you take the field with you know,

1758
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: a minute twenty or whatever it was left, you know,

1759
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 1: less than two minutes. It's basically what Gregs tweet was,

1760
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 1: which was, Oh, yeah, I'm sure that will wrap this

1761
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: game up. You know, that's a good job, Raiders. Congrats

1762
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 1: on the wind. Yeah that's not gonna happen because you

1763
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: knew Mahomes gonna lead him down the field. They made

1764
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: it look so easy that it is really frustrating. But

1765
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: this would be such a fun matchup if we got

1766
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 1: this in the divisial round. Let's see the Chiefs of

1767
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: the one seed and let's you know, somehow they downed

1768
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: the Steelers in the feet of the say the Chiefs

1769
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: are undefeated or not undefeated, but they take the one

1770
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 1: seat and they meet in the divisional round in Kansas City.

1771
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it would make for a great postseason matchup

1772
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: because I don't think the Raiders are that far off.

1773
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: And I know they still gave up thirty five points,

1774
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: but this was one of the better defensive showings against

1775
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: the Chiefs I think this season. Um relatively speaking, they

1776
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: gave they gave them problems until that final quarter. They

1777
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: definitely gave them problems. There was a moment there I

1778
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: was like, are the Chiefs gonna struggle to well? There

1779
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: was a vote where I thought, I want to have

1780
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 1: to cha. They got two stops. I mean, they choosing

1781
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 1: their choosing, And it's the problem with playing the Chiefs

1782
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,600
Speaker 1: in the in the impressive thing is the Raiders can

1783
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: match them, but do you do you want to lose

1784
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: fast or slow? And they chose to make them go

1785
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 1: in these long drives, but they weren't getting stops. Yeah,

1786
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: I know, and for the most part you're especially in

1787
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, but there was a little bit of

1788
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 1: a period there in the second half I was like, wow,

1789
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: they're actually standing up somewhat well, considering again that this

1790
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: is the Chiefs, which most teams struggle to stop. So

1791
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: it would make for a really fun playoff matchup if

1792
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 1: we could get there. And until then, it's it's a

1793
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: fun rivalry in this division, and it's kind of a

1794
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: return to, you know, a rivalry that is strong decades

1795
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:02,600
Speaker 1: ago and looks like it's going to be for the

1796
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: near future. All right, So it's Jason Witten that catches

1797
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: the go ahead touchdown pass with one to play. We've

1798
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: been We've really been all over the place. We're jumping around,

1799
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 1: We're trying to figure out how much time was left.

1800
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 1: And I said, abe is the exact number when Witton scores?

1801
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 1: And how about that? Jason Witton had almost had the

1802
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: game winning catching a big primetime game in and this

1803
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: is what happened when the Chiefs took over. It took

1804
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 1: him seven plays to go seventy five yards in one

1805
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: minute fifteen seconds. Mahomes to Tyreeke for ten, Mahomes incomplete,

1806
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: Mahomes to Tyreeke for nine, Mahomes to Hardman for sixteen,

1807
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 1: Mahomes to Kelsey for fifteen, Mahomes to darry uh Darris

1808
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 1: Williams for three, and then after a time out by Casey,

1809
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: Mahomes to Kelsey for twenty two. It's we we shouldn't

1810
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: take it for granted, like what we're seeing here with

1811
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and how they can make everyone look terrible,

1812
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 1: uh so amazing, and the Raiders they fall to six

1813
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: and four. I was just I just took a look

1814
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 1: at the a f C standings. It's still obviously a

1815
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:12,919
Speaker 1: log jam. They have the tiebreaker as Shook and Cessler

1816
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: no very well on the Browns, who there are one

1817
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: game behind, and also now the Ravens have dropped down

1818
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: into this six and four territory. I think the Raiders

1819
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: are a playoffs team. Maybe something changes from now. I

1820
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:27,959
Speaker 1: think they're a better team, uh than the Browns Tennessee.

1821
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:29,679
Speaker 1: I think they are a better team than the Titans

1822
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: and the Ravens. As weird as it is to say,

1823
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: I think they could be better than the Rates the Ravens.

1824
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: So I expect the Raiders to bounce back from this. Well.

1825
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: More importantly, their schedule finally opens up. It's been one

1826
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: of the toughest in the NFL all season, and the

1827
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: rest of it is not bad. The only thing I

1828
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: would I would caution against and I think they could

1829
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: be a dangerous team in the playoffs, is like now

1830
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 1: is their time? Okay, yeah, maybe they're building something. That's

1831
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: what they thought last time, That's what a million teams think,

1832
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: and so it's when you're at this point, like you

1833
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: gotta advantage. I think they have an offense that can

1834
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 1: go deep in the playoffs right now, and their defense

1835
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 1: makes a couple of plays like no no team has

1836
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: given the Chiefs as much trouble as the Raiders so close.

1837
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid that's exactly it. I think that maybe

1838
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: it's a Grooden thing, UM, and we don't know what's

1839
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:20,799
Speaker 1: happening behind the scenes. But if you can only imagine

1840
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: Gruden's speeches to this team, and you know he knows

1841
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. Uh you know, as Greg mentioned, Andy Reid

1842
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: is John Gruden's or Grant the godfather of of of

1843
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 1: Andy Reid apparently, But like, um, there, well, I think

1844
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 1: there was just no fear. We're gonna go, We're gonna

1845
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: go take it to the Chiefs and like, uh, I'm

1846
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: with you, Dan. I think the Raiders um came into

1847
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 1: Cleveland and outmuscled a Cleveland team that missed some of

1848
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: its key components. But that tiebreaker is killer. I could

1849
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: see a ten and six team in the a f

1850
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: c UM watching the playoffs from home. I mean, I'm

1851
01:32:54,960 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 1: pretty sure we will get that. Huh. Well, you know,

1852
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: you know what's happened, and it's gonna happen probably the

1853
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: same team twice UM in the course of a tenure.

1854
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: This is a nice little in joke on the Browns

1855
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,680
Speaker 1: and maybe saved for the Browns podcast. I wouldn't call

1856
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: it a joke. It was not funny. Uh shout out.

1857
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:19,560
Speaker 1: The only thing more impressive than the quarterback play today was,

1858
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: as Mark alluded to NBC Sunday Night Football, the best

1859
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: best best production in the game, from the booth to

1860
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 1: the highlight, to the uh different camera angles to the sound.

1861
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable what they can do. And it was like

1862
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 1: having Derek Carr in the living room all night and

1863
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:40,639
Speaker 1: hearing all this, which I don't know that I want,

1864
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: but I'll take it tonight. I don't need that seven

1865
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: nights a week. But I liked Mamba, James Harden, Pistol Pete,

1866
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 1: Chris Mullen, all NBA players that are name dropped, uh

1867
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: in the cadence also Sammy Davis got a name dropped.

1868
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun and U and one

1869
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: other thing in the telecast the weakest link, Ricky. Now

1870
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: they're you know, now they're selling it as in big

1871
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 1: block lettering. Could this be the weakest team ever? So

1872
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: I know Patrick Laban was optimistic that, oh, that's just

1873
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: kind of like the stick of the show that the

1874
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 1: host is going to get on everyone. But now we

1875
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:24,599
Speaker 1: have ever more evidence that something happened on this show

1876
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 1: that maybe wasn't great. Yeah, I don't know. If you're

1877
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 1: listening to this on Monday morning, you gotta check it

1878
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 1: out tonight. And if you're listening to it late night Sunday,

1879
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: I gotta check it out tomorrow. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1880
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 1: reverse that narrative I expecting Tuesday. I guess you're screw Yes,

1881
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to listen to it yesterday. Another theory,

1882
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:48,440
Speaker 1: I expect a littlebron like performance out of Ricky Hollywood

1883
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: on the weakest link to Alright, from one week team

1884
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 1: to do another real quick new segment that Eric and

1885
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 1: I cooked up. We we should do a round up

1886
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 1: at the end of every Sunday show. Just where we

1887
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 1: are at with the lock of the week? Ricky? How

1888
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 1: how are we doing this? Alright? So here is Oh,

1889
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:13,799
Speaker 1: it sounds nice. What's this? Oh? This is the club

1890
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: for the Dove the Doves. So if you've won your

1891
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 1: lock this week, you get I bottle service a separate table.

1892
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 1: This week it's just Dan alone. Naturally, this segment occurs

1893
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 1: now Mark always thinking the worst than meet and utter reality. Alright, well, Mark,

1894
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 1: you're in the room with me. Right obviously, No. No,

1895
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: Greg and I like went into our you know, our

1896
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 1: Dolphins finish. Oh, I'm I'm alone. Where where's the rest

1897
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 1: of the gang. H We're outside the club, dub Now

1898
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 1: it's only you. What happened? What? Ricky? The conceit of

1899
01:35:57,880 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: this is to let people know what the locks were

1900
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 1: this week? Us absolutely so. Greg originally locked up the Chiefs,

1901
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 1: but switched it this morning, um to the Dolphins. Bad move.

1902
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 1: Mark also locked up the Dolphins. Dan, as you alluded

1903
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:13,839
Speaker 1: to earlier, you took the Saints even with the Taysom

1904
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 1: Hill announcement, West has locked up. This is a big one.

1905
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 1: You guys the Rams on Monday night football against Tom Brady?

1906
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,799
Speaker 1: What about you? America? And I locked up the loser

1907
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:35,560
Speaker 1: Patriots total non factor. Kang in there, Ricky. Will this

1908
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: segment occur next week? If Greg and I were to

1909
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: win our locks and Dani were to go down in

1910
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: the House of Fire, I can't hear you. It's still

1911
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: loud in here, Mark, of course not. Maybe next time

1912
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 1: you can can join me. All right, absurd Greggy, you

1913
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: can come on in, Come on anyway, all right, here

1914
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:57,959
Speaker 1: we go. It's like the only third place allowed inside

1915
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 1: only coming in. Somebody said, all right, why did you

1916
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 1: switch off the Chiefs by the way, because the line

1917
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,600
Speaker 1: was seven and a half and we had said it seven.

1918
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 1: My whole my whole point was with the whole thing

1919
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 1: is I don't like this game. I'm gonna try to

1920
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm still in first and if there is a rule

1921
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: if you win two years a row, which this would be,

1922
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 1: then you can kill it. But my whole point with

1923
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 1: my problems with the segment was you need to have rules.

1924
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 1: You know, if you're gonna play rules, then then what

1925
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 1: are you talking about. I'm saying if if I win

1926
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: the two years in a row, everyone knows that's the rule,

1927
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: then you can kill the segment. The segment will never die.

1928
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 1: The segment will die when I'm off the show. When

1929
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 1: I won the picks two years in a row, then

1930
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 1: I got to kill that and this happen. You can't

1931
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 1: be killing the idea of this, uh you know, part

1932
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: of our show, but also be writing picks for NFL

1933
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: dot com. Think he thinks he killed the other You

1934
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: can't have that, you know. Every way you know we

1935
01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 1: did is Greg Rosenhall, the fun Ler'll be on that

1936
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 1: for a long time. That mystery has been sold. All right,

1937
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 1: that's it. This is a Den Hanson signing up for

1938
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: a quiet storm. The mail Matt, yes uh, Nick Shook,

1939
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 1: the unshookable Nick Shook. Working on it. We'll figure out eventually.

1940
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 1: The old Boston Ricky Hollywood behind the velvet roast on

1941
01:38:17,920 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 1: the wrong side. Until six