1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. So some 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: shoes drop in here. We were discussing with Jim Jordan 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: in the first hour of the show about the IRS whistleblower, 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: the second one coming forward and explaining that Hunter Biden 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: has received preferential treatment. And one of the things we 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: were discussing with Jim Jordan was, how will the quote 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: unquote legacy media, the people out there who've been trying 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: to tell you there's nothing to the Hunter Biden's story 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: cover it going forward? And Buck, this just popped one 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: minute ago. CBS News exclusive Hunter Biden IRS whistleblower Joseph Ziggler, 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: who has now allowed his name to be public for 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: the first time, tells CBS anytime IRS investigators, We're going 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: to play this audio for you later the show. Tell 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: CBS anytime IRS investigators potentially wanted to ask questions related 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: to President Biden, they were told, quote that's going to 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: take too much approvals, we can't ask those questions. Also, 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: further part of this interview, Ziggler tells CBS that he 20 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: is a lifelong Democrat said he did not vote for 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: president in the twenty twenty election while working on the 22 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden investigation because he felt doing so would be 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: irresponsible and show potential bias. This guy Buck again lifelong Democrat, 24 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: outing in many ways the fix that was in for 25 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden. 26 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: This may and again. 27 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: CBS News just now publishing this on their social media 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: feeds as he is testifying. This one may be hard 29 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: for Democrats to explain away because a lot of times 30 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: they say, well, that's a long time Trump supporter, this 31 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: is a Democrat. He's also a gay Democrat who is 32 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: coming out and basically throwing Hunter Biden and Joe Biden 33 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: under the bus. 34 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: Can I can I just give a slightly more cynical perspective, Clay. 35 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: You you definitely. I try to be the ray of 36 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: sunshine here is not dead. 37 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: There's still faith I still have, I still have a 38 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: little bit of hope, and then you are the rain 39 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: cloud that comes up. But yes, I do think that 40 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: certainly that there is a justification to dampen my optimism 41 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: here that I just shared. 42 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: But here's the challenge. Here's the problem. It reminds me 43 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: very much of Benghazi. The hearings. I mean where we 44 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: heard a lot. It was really damning and at the 45 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: end of it nothing. They've already gotten past the plea 46 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 3: deal phase of this. Notice how this is all coming 47 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 3: out now? 48 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: You know the job. 49 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: Yes, technically it has not been signed off on yet. Okay, 50 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: our seed seed there there's a trying trying to part 51 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: the clouds, trying to part the clouds. July twenty sixth. 52 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: I believe the judge has to sign off or not 53 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: sign off on this. 54 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: I just think that all of this. 55 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: It's none of this is a surprise, right, This is 56 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: what my expectation. I think most of the people listening, 57 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 3: This is what our expectations were all along for. What 58 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: was really going on here with the investigation of Hunter 59 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: Biden's tax Remember it's not to say it's tax crimes, 60 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: is even I think under selling it. Hunter Biden was 61 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: selling access to his dad to communist China to obviously 62 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: influence US foreign policy, and stashing the cash from this 63 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: because it was looking so it would look so bad 64 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: for the Biden brand, which is what he was monetizing. 65 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: I mean, this is even. 66 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: More brazen in many ways than the Clinton global cash 67 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: guzzling and influence peddling machinery. And that's the part of 68 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: this that I think they you know, we have to remember, 69 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: we have to focus on here, it's who he was 70 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 3: selling the influence to. And then also claim in the 71 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: back of my mind, not even that far back. I mean, 72 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: as we're talking about all this, the whole premise of 73 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 3: the multiple prosecutions of Donald Trump right now, the Democrats 74 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: offer up. 75 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: Is nobody is above the law. 76 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: Correct, And every time the Democrats say this, there is 77 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 3: an asterisk at the end with except the Bidens because 78 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: they are above the law. So while they're telling us 79 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 3: that no one's above the law, let's prosecute the chief 80 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 3: right now, leading Republican presidential nominee and a former president. 81 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: Which is a big deal. 82 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: You do offer for the for the cohesiveess of the nation. 83 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: You know, there is a slightly different treatment. Let's just 84 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: be honest about a former president. You know, when Nixon 85 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 3: was pardoned by Ford, everybody was kind of like, well, 86 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: maybe not everybody. Most people are like, yeah, we don't 87 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: lock the guy up. While they are telling you Trump 88 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: is not above the law, they're showing you that the 89 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: Bidens are above the law. It is a crystallizing distillation 90 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: of two tiers of justice that are occurring today as 91 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: Trump prepares to be charged for January sixth the related offenses, 92 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: and simultaneously we are being told that Hunter Biden was 93 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 3: protected in every direction from the consequences of his criminal 94 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: behavior based on his connection to his father. And I 95 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: think what's significant. 96 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: We have this audio clip from CBS I believe that 97 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: has been uploaded. This is where I think things become 98 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: a little bit more challenging for Democrats buck because they've 99 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:00,559 Speaker 2: tried to build this huge Chinese wall between Hunter Biden 100 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: and Joe Biden and argue that there's no connection whatsoever 101 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: between Hunter Biden's actions and Joe Biden. And actually this 102 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: IRS whistleblower who was speaking out today, Ziggler said in 103 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: his sit down CBS interview, which just dropped on social 104 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 2: media a couple of minutes ago, they weren't allowed to 105 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: consider whether Joe Biden was involved in these crimes at all. 106 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: Listen to what he told CBS. 107 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: Did you uncover evidence that President Biden financially benefited from 108 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: his son's deals. 109 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: I don't feel comfortable answering that question anytime we potentially 110 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 4: wanted to go down the road of asking questions related 111 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 4: to the president. It was that's going to take too 112 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 4: much approvals. We can't ask those questions. And I mean 113 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 4: it created an environment that was very hard to deal with. 114 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 3: It's a politically sensitive case. 115 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: Wouldn't it require additional approvals? 116 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 4: Yes, I do understand that aspect, but it would be like, well, 117 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 4: let's think about it. Let's put on the back burner. 118 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: The old Potomac two step, my man, the bureaucratic slow roll. 119 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: Exactly as we've been saying, it was probably happening. Now 120 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: you're hearing from the guy who was in the middle 121 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: of it. It's exactly what was happening. What does this 122 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: remind everybody of, Oh, you know, we were going slow 123 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: with it everything else. How people ask me a buck 124 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: how could they not find out? I actually went over 125 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: this over the weekend with some friends min They asked 126 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: me this. They said, you know, how can they not 127 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: find Hunter's cocaine? 128 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean? How can they not? 129 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: It's the easiest thing in the world. 130 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: Secret Service sits around and goes, oh, we just got 131 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: a call from the supervisor. He says, we've got to 132 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: pull together a committee meeting about this, and then we're 133 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: going to have another meeting next week about how we 134 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: got to look over the committee meeting from the first week. 135 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: And we don't want to impugne anybody by going too 136 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: fast on the suspects here and nothing. Never underestimate the 137 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: ability of a bureaucracy to do nothing. It is what 138 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: they do all the time if they can get away 139 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: with it. 140 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: Especially when it involved a powerful person, of course, and 141 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: that's where the fix is in here to such a degree. 142 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: And look, I don't think it's ideal. 143 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: If we were if the Department of Judge and this 144 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: is what I thought, this is what I thought would happen, 145 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: and maybe there's still a possibility of it happening if 146 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: that judge rejects the plea agreement on July twenty sixth. 147 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: But you got this, I said, I had some faith 148 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: in the system. 149 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: I thought that they would have to charge Hunter and 150 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: they would then make the argument no one is above 151 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: the law to allow them to be able to justify 152 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: charging Trumps too. 153 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: Because my theory is told Clay to get off my lawn. 154 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 3: There's no way they're going to charge Hunter, no way. 155 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: And the reality here is that they don't even care 156 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: about even giving a fig leaf of objectivity and impartiality 157 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: right now, yep, as it pertains this Department of Justice, which. 158 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 3: Is why I'm so scary. I'm curious, you know, And 159 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: we could even we could hold this to the break. 160 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: You can answer this on the on the flip side, 161 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: if they reject the plea. If the judge rejects the pleee, 162 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: does that change the calculus in your mind of whether 163 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: Biden can continue to be the nominee or do they 164 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: just run the it's his son, he's dealing with addiction. 165 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: It's not his fault. 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Great to 204 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 3: have you back, sir. 205 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 5: Good to be with you. 206 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 6: Guys. 207 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: What are you expecting from this today? 208 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 3: I mean, just first if you'd lay out for everybody, 209 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 3: who is this individual who is going to be testifying today? 210 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 3: And what have we learned so far from the whistleblower 211 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: just based on the testimony behind closed doors? 212 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 5: Well, I think first of all, we're going to learn 213 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 5: that these guys are credible. Both both have served over 214 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 5: ten years in the IRS outstanding performance evaluations. They were 215 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 5: the go to guys the A team when it came 216 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 5: to international tax fraud investigations, been all over the world 217 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 5: doing these kind of cases. And I think the fundamental 218 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 5: question the buck is is who you going to believe? 219 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 5: You're gonna believe these guys and who is Sue Frankly's 220 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 5: story has not changed? Whose testimony has been assistant, as 221 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 5: it was confirmed by an FBI agent who was interviewed 222 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 5: Monday by the committee. Are you going to believe them? 223 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 5: Are you going to believe the Biden Garland Justice Department 224 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 5: that was just found two weeks ago by a federal 225 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 5: court to be censoring Americans? The Biden Justice Department that 226 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 5: said parents were terrorists, The Biden Justice Department that said 227 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 5: pro life Catholics are extreme. I mean, that's the fundamental question. 228 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 5: And I think these guys' credibility is going to come 229 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 5: through loud and clear in this hearing. And I think 230 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 5: that's that's really the essence of what's what's And they're 231 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 5: going to talk about all the inconsistencies this investigation versus 232 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 5: every other investigation, and then some of the just the 233 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 5: things that were done that never happened, like the prosecutors 234 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 5: calling up the defense attorneys and saying, hey, we're looking 235 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 5: to get a subpoena to to search the storage unit. 236 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 5: You might want to check it out. When is that 237 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 5: for happening? 238 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: Investment? 239 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 5: Never? So, those are the kind of things that I 240 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 5: think will come out from two very credible individuals who've been, 241 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 5: you know, serving the taxpayers for a long time. 242 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: Now, Well, I can't wait to see these revelations come 243 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: out in public and also see how the media is 244 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: going to cover them and in a larger context here, Congressman, 245 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: do you think Joe Biden is going to run? Do 246 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: you think the Democrats want to run him? Do you 247 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: think that the drumbeat of clear evidence of the Biden 248 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: crime family is impacting what decision he may make? How 249 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: would you assess Biden as we look towards twenty four. 250 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's probably running. You know what they said, Well, 251 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 5: I guess we understand why they're not going to anyone 252 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 5: debate him, so you can not. I don't know if 253 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 5: he's even able to, you know, to do a debate here. So, 254 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 5: but I do think he's going to be their candidate, 255 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 5: you know. I guess their their goal is to try 256 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 5: to have this election, see that they can get through 257 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 5: U see if there's somehow they can win. I hope. 258 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 5: I don't think they're going to I think it's going 259 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 5: to be President Trump. But I think he's running. We'll see. 260 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 5: We're trying to interview Cherry mccoman has been trying to 261 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 5: interview Devin Archer, one of Hunter Biden's business partners. We've 262 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 5: been working on trying to set that up. We hope 263 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 5: that happens because we think there's going to be some 264 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 5: pretty good information that he can get if Devon Archer 265 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 5: is under oath and testifying in from the committee in 266 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 5: a deposition. But that hasn't happened of yet. But the 267 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 5: facts I think we have now are pretty compelling of 268 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 5: just how because the sort of the fundamental question is 269 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 5: what were they getting paid for? You know, twenty different 270 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 5: LLCs and shell companies paying nine different bidens millions of dollars. 271 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 5: What was the service they were providing, what was the 272 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 5: value they were adding, what was the product that they offered. 273 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 5: There's no answer to that other than oh, somehow they're 274 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 5: connected to Joe Biden. So that I think just people 275 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 5: sort of instinctively get that. And then you couple that 276 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 5: now with these two whistleblowers who've never been whistleblowers before, 277 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 5: who were reluctant to come forward, who followed their chain 278 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 5: of command and first raise their concerns in the IRS 279 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 5: before ever coming to Congress, and the credibility I talked 280 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 5: about a few minutes ago, again, I think their credibility 281 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 5: is frankly, unimpeachable. 282 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: Congressman Jordan, Is anything going to come of any of this? 283 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 3: I mean really, either from a congressional action or just 284 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: it feels like, Okay, we're going to find out that 285 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 3: the fix was in all along, and Hunter Biden's going 286 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: to skate because that's the system that exists right now. 287 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: I mean, what has to happen. We have a Republican 288 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: president who comes in who decides that things will be different. 289 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: But is Congress going to do anything about this? 290 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 5: You tell us, well, well, a couple of things we're 291 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 5: focused on in the Judiciary Committee. This is going to 292 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 5: be the day in front the Oversight Committee, But in 293 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 5: the Judiciary Committee, we're focused on using the appropriations process 294 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 5: to put limitations on how tax FI dollars are spent 295 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 5: at the Justice Department, because we think, as we've talked about, 296 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 5: that that's been turned on the American people. So we 297 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 5: have a number of policy writer language elements that we're 298 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 5: going to get into those bills. And then, frankly, from 299 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 5: a just a civil liberty standpoint seven h two, the 300 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 5: key section advises up for reauthorization, and there is no 301 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 5: way that's getting reauthorized in its current form so we're 302 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 5: focused there in the legislative side of things and the 303 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 5: appropriation side of things. But ultimately, yeah, it requires a 304 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 5: new president, requires a new Justice Department for things to 305 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 5: get different there, and you know that's that's decided by 306 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 5: we the people every you know, the first Tuesday after 307 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 5: the first money Monday, every four years in November. 308 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: So Congressman, I think this is going to be again, 309 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: really difficult to refute when these guys step out and 310 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: speak publicly, because it's one thing, and I'm curious if 311 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: you would agree it's one thing to read what they 312 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: might say and have that distributed, but the clips themselves, 313 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: being able to see them as they speak, all of 314 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: these things. What do you expect the media to do? 315 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 6: Right? 316 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: How do you expect CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, 317 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: Washington Post, the usual propaganda media as you know, suspects, 318 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,239 Speaker 2: how do you expect them to handle today's testimony? 319 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 5: Well, the whistleblowers were compelling, but remember they're the investigators. 320 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 5: The prosecutors make the decision on what to charge, when 321 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 5: to charge, and where to charge. So you know, investigators 322 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 5: always want to go forward. They've been working on the case. 323 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 5: But In the end, it's the attorneys, it's a it's 324 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 5: the prosecutors make the decision, and they decided after looking 325 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 5: at all this that that you know, after all, Hunter 326 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 5: Biden's getting charge that I think is going to be 327 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 5: the the argument. The whistleblowers your right, Clay, we want 328 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 5: to let them talk. I always say say they're they're whistleblowers, 329 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 5: so let them blow the whistle. Let them talk today 330 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 5: in today's hearing. And just like we had a hearing 331 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 5: a few a few months back with three FBI whistleblowers, 332 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 5: Garrett O'Boyle, and he got to talk and explain what 333 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 5: the FBI did to him and his family wouldn't let 334 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 5: him geccess to his belonging because kids clothes were goodness sake, 335 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 5: And when you when you hear the retaliation and how 336 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 5: it how it impacted him and his family on a 337 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 5: personal level, that is compelling, and it just reinforces the 338 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 5: facts he had given us about a number of different 339 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 5: issues he talked to us about. So I do think 340 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 5: that's but I think the Left is going to go 341 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 5: with that narrative. Oh okay, these are the investigators, but 342 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 5: the prosecutors make the decision, and they were looking at 343 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 5: their years of experience and they they decided to go 344 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 5: this way. But again, when you look at their testimony, 345 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 5: the prosecutors and the investigators were in agreement for alsto 346 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 5: the investigation, and then when it gets close to charging, 347 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 5: suddenly they change. And I think they changed because there 348 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 5: were discussions. This is straight from David White's discussions taking 349 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 5: place between the US attorneys and Delaware and Main Justice. 350 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 5: So what were those discussions about, and were those the 351 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 5: reasons those discussions the reason that suddenly things changed. 352 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 3: Congress and Jordan, you know, people have been saying we 353 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 3: need to do something about the politicized FBI. What about 354 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 3: the politicized IRS and those who were looking at something 355 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 3: like the Hunter Biden case specifically. Is it something that 356 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 3: you think Congress should look to try to have a 357 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: hand in reforming through legislation or is it just maybe 358 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: cutting back the funding because while everyone says, well we 359 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: should not everyone, but people have been saying, let's defund 360 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 3: the FBI. I mean, you're going to defund it to 361 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: fund something else. It's not really clear to me how 362 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 3: that necessarily plays out. But cutting the IRS funding in half, 363 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would say, yeah, I 364 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 3: think that'd be okay. 365 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's certainly not given them what the eight thousand 366 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 5: new agents they want, and we passed legislation to get 367 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 5: rid of that early in this Congress. Unfortunately just sits 368 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 5: over there in the Senate. But I do think you're 369 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 5: right too about the FDA. We don't want to defund 370 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 5: the rank and file agents, buy and large. Those guys 371 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 5: are doing a great job. What we do want to 372 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 5: do is change how the money is spent and reallocate 373 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 5: how things are done here in headquarters here at the 374 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 5: Washington Field office here in the DC area, and we 375 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 5: are focused on doing that during the appropriations process. But 376 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 5: when it comes to the irs, you know, we don't 377 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 5: want these new agents, and we, like I said, that 378 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 5: was the first bill we passed in the Republican Control House, 379 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 5: and we put some of that limits on how the 380 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 5: funds could be spent at the FBI in the debt 381 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 5: fealing agreement from a few weeks ago. 382 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: Jef, do you think Congressman Jim Jordan with us right now? 383 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: He's doing fantastic work. Can't wait to see in about 384 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: twenty minutes when this hearing begins. Do you think based 385 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: on all the evidence that you've seen that Merrick Garland 386 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: and maybe President Biden himself should be impeached by the House. 387 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: Would you vote to impeach both based on what you've 388 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: seen in the evidence so far. 389 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 5: I've said all along when it comes to any impeachment question, 390 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 5: that's a that's a decision for the entire conference, because 391 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 5: once you go down that road, it consumes Congress. I mean, 392 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 5: I was on the other side of it just a 393 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 5: few years ago to send help and defend President Trump, 394 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 5: and I spent weeks in the bunker and the basement 395 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 5: of the Capitol and doing depositions with with Adam Schiff 396 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 5: and the whole thing. So if you decide to go 397 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 5: down that that's that's a big decision. But the Speaker's 398 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 5: been clear, he says we are getting much closer to 399 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 5: an impeachment inquiry into the actions of the Justice Department. 400 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 5: So I'm with the Speaker. I think we continue to 401 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 5: get the facts, but if it's if it's warranted, we 402 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 5: have a constitutional duty to go there. But we need 403 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 5: to go into that with our eyes wide open, because 404 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 5: it truly, as you've all remember from just five years ago, 405 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 5: in four years ago, in twenty nineteen when they impeached 406 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 5: President Trump over the you know, the phone call for 407 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 5: goetn to sake. It consumes everything, and we need to 408 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 5: understand that if we if we go, but if it's required, 409 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 5: our constitutional duty would would compel us to go there. 410 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 5: So I want to continue to get the facts. I 411 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 5: do think it's important that Chairman Comber gets to get 412 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 5: to that interview of Hunter Biden's business partner, and and 413 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 5: we have this hearing today, Congress and Jordan. 414 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: Appreciate you being with us, sir, Thanks again. 415 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 5: You bet guys. Thanks take care. 416 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 3: Look this is noteworthy if you pay attention to the 417 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: ups and downs of the economy. 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Andy, it's 438 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 3: quite a lot to take in after yesterday when Trump 439 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: announced on truth Social that he was expecting imminent felony 440 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 3: federal charges related to January sixth. Just first off, we 441 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 3: wanted to get your thirty thousand foot view of this 442 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: now latest chapter in the Get Trump with the Law saga. 443 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 6: Well, thanks, guys. My view of the substance of the 444 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 6: case hasn't changed in the last two months, actually going 445 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 6: back further than that, but two months ago. I think 446 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 6: is important because the Supreme Court in two cases involving 447 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 6: former I guess cronies of former Governor Andrew Cuomo reversed 448 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 6: convictions throughout convictions where the government had tried to stretch 449 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 6: the envelope on the vague concept of fraud as it's 450 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 6: been distorted in some federal law. And you know, they 451 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 6: really admonished prosecutors not to get creative that Congress hasn't 452 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 6: hasn't clearly codified a crime, you're not supposed to bring 453 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 6: the crime. And I thought that was a blow to 454 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 6: the Trump investigation because to the extent that it's been 455 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 6: reported that they wanted to go down the down the 456 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 6: lane of you know, this this vapory concept of conspiracy 457 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 6: to defraud the government, or this concept of whether obstruction 458 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 6: of Congress was committed corruptly, because we're all allowed to 459 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 6: try to influence Congress, the question is whether you do 460 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 6: it lawlessly. 461 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 5: This is exactly the sort of. 462 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 6: Thing the Supreme Court warned against. Unless you have a 463 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 6: fraud that involves a deceptive scheme to get money or 464 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 6: traditional property, which means like tangible assets, you don't have 465 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 6: a fraud case under federal law. So I really thought 466 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 6: that Smith would instead of bringing an indictment, that he 467 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 6: would probably write a report to lay out all the 468 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 6: icky stuff that Trump did in connection with the stop 469 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 6: the steel thing, but not actually bring charges. So it 470 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 6: looks like now he's going down the path of bringing charges, 471 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 6: and I guess that the timing of it is because 472 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 6: he feels like he needs to get in front of 473 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 6: Vanny Willis, who was the Fulton County prosecutor in the pipeline, 474 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 6: because it's going If they want to push this case 475 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 6: to trial in the next few months, I don't know 476 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 6: if they can do it, but if he lets another 477 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 6: prosecutor get ahead of him in the queue, it's going 478 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 6: to be very difficult. 479 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: Andy Buck's been kind of the rain on my sunshine 480 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: here because I want to get your opinion on this. 481 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: You prosecuted for a long time and you're a fabulous 482 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: guest analyzing all this stuff. But big picture, when you see, 483 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: and I'm speaking here as a lawyer as well, when 484 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 2: you see what is clearly a two tier justice system 485 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 2: the likes of which most of us have not ever 486 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: seen in our life. In other words, we've got an 487 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: Inspector Javeir situation for the lay miz fans out there, 488 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: where you know, Trump steals a loaf of bread and 489 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 2: he's gonna get you know, they're gonna put him in 490 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: prison for the rest of his life. And meanwhile, it 491 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: seems quite clear that the Biden family was engaged in 492 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 2: all sorts of criminal shenanigans. Nothing happens to the Bidens, 493 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: and they're throwing the book at Trump. Can you I 494 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: can't just to fy it as a lawyer, right, like 495 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: we're supposed to believe that justice is blind. There's a 496 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: reason why Lady Justice sits there with the blindfold on, 497 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: with the scales of justice. I am blown away by 498 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: what Merrick Garland has allowed to happen in this Department 499 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: of Justice, and by frankly, what I'm seeing, not as 500 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: a Republican or Democrat, but just as a lawyer who 501 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 2: believes in basic justice for all. 502 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 6: Are you not anymore? Clay? I was during the Obama years, 503 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 6: but I think that, you know, really, for the last 504 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 6: eight years, we've had the criminal justice apparatus of the 505 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 6: government leveraged on behalf of Democratic Party politics, whether it 506 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 6: was through the Obama Justice Department, the special counsels that 507 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 6: pursued investigations against Trump even after it was clear. I 508 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 6: mean when Bob Muller got that case, they had known 509 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 6: for five months that there was no no Trump Russia conspiracy. 510 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 6: Yet they not only yet he not only investigated it 511 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 6: for eighteen months, so that they continued going back to 512 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 6: the FISA court and swearing under oath to stuff that 513 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 6: they knew that wasn't true. And this is just the 514 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 6: latest iteration of it. I suppose, as you know, you 515 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 6: and I are lawyers. We want to believe in the 516 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 6: rule of law. But at the end of the day, 517 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 6: it's really a body politic it's not a rule of 518 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 6: law society, and I think these guys have learned that 519 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 6: the limit of your authority is what you can get 520 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 6: away with, and it's law, and it's disgusting, but it's 521 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 6: the way it is. 522 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: So what do you I'm sad to say that I agree, 523 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 2: and I'm just stunned at how bad things have continued 524 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: to get. 525 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: What do you think the motivation is here? 526 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: So yesterday Buck and I both argue this is political 527 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 2: that we think that basically the Democrats have decided that 528 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 2: this strengthens Trump in the general Republican primary, and they 529 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 2: want him as the nominee because they think he's beatable 530 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: based on upon what they saw in twenty twenty. Do 531 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: you buy into that or do you think, oh, they're 532 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 2: trying to put Trump in prison and keep him from 533 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: being able to run. What's the actual motivation here from 534 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: your perspective. 535 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I you know, 536 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 6: I've been saying for well over a year that that's 537 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 6: exactly what's going on. And you know, people told me 538 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 6: I was crazy at the beginning. But you know, look 539 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 6: the way the criminal justice system works, it tees up 540 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 6: exactly for what the Democrats want to accomplish here. The 541 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 6: indictment will get people who are the base of the 542 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 6: Republican Party. It's party bases that elect candidates in a 543 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 6: primary cycle. It's going to get them all whipped up. 544 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 6: It already has so that not only does Trump go 545 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 6: up every time one of these Democratic prosecutors indict him, 546 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 6: and obviously if they thought it was bad for them, 547 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 6: they wouldn't continue doing this. Right We're talking about three 548 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 6: different Democratic prosecutors right now. Every time they indict him, 549 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 6: not only do his numbers go up among Republicans, it 550 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 6: completely freezes the other candidates. Instead of developing their own 551 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 6: connection with the party and with the public, they're reduced 552 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 6: to all the time having a comment on what's going 553 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 6: on with Trump. So this plays great for the Democrats 554 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 6: to the extent they want to get Trump nominated. And 555 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 6: then what happens down the line in a criminal prosecution is, 556 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 6: you know, you have hearings and then you have a trial, 557 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 6: and then all the evidence comes out, and now you 558 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 6: play into a different audience because nationally Trump has never 559 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 6: been nearly as popular as he is with his own base. 560 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 6: I mean, he won, he was in two elections where 561 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 6: he copped out at forty six percent, So he's already 562 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 6: got a lot of people who are against him. Now, 563 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 6: when you get to the trial phase of these things 564 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 6: and the hearing phase, that's when all the evidence comes out, 565 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 6: and it's going to reconfirm in people's minds the things 566 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 6: that they didn't like about him in the first place. 567 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 6: It helps him get nominated and it will assure that 568 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 6: he gets de seated in November. 569 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: Andy, can I ask you about the timing of all 570 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: this as well, because we think that's a really important component. 571 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: Here are they you know, I'm sure the Trump team 572 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 3: so far with the South Florida, there's so many prosecutions 573 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: we have to keep like a you know, a bulletin 574 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 3: board up in our respective radio studios here. But with 575 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 3: the South Florida prosecution, the strategy is going to be 576 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 3: to delay that, right, meaning the Trump defense attorneys are 577 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 3: trying to delay it. Let's say Jack Smith comes out 578 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 3: with incitement to insurrection and he goes for the top 579 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 3: possible count, the biggest He's taken, the biggest. 580 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: Shot possible here. 581 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 3: Is it realistic in your mind that a DC judge 582 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 3: now is going to allow him to delay, meaning the 583 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 3: Trump defense team, to delay this until after the election entirely? Like, 584 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 3: how do you see that happening? I mean, because to me, 585 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: if the elections are happening and there are multiple criminal 586 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 3: trials that have all been pushed to be I'm twenty 587 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 3: twenty four, that causes its own problems too. 588 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, it would be it would be very hard to 589 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 6: get this case rapidly to trial, buck if this was 590 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 6: the only thing on Trump's dance card. But he's not 591 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 6: only got the New York prosecution already scheduled for trial 592 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 6: in March, with pre trial hearings starting in December. Much overlooked, 593 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 6: I think is the fact that he's got a civil 594 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 6: fraud trial also in New York from the Attorney General 595 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 6: there Letitia James that starts on October third. Now you 596 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 6: have the problem of Smith, which is a self created problem. 597 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 6: He brings a classified information laden case in Florida, which 598 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 6: means he's under the Classified Information Procedures Act, where you 599 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 6: basically have to have a pre trial trial of the trial. 600 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 6: The judge has to rule on all the classified information 601 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 6: issues prior to trial, which takes a lot of time 602 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 6: because you've got to get people cleared. You have to 603 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 6: pry the evidence away from the intelligence community. It's not 604 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 6: just the evidence that the government wants to bring in, 605 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 6: but whatever evidence the defense wants to bring in, which 606 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 6: tends to be a lot more than the government wants 607 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 6: to let the jury know about. Those are very complicated issues. 608 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 6: They take a long time to work out. And now 609 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 6: you have what would be a complicated issue if it 610 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 6: was the only thing we were talking about, which is 611 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 6: the indictment of a former president of the United States 612 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 6: on a theory that he tried to influence the Congress, 613 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 6: which you're allowed to do unless you engage in lawless activity. 614 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 6: And it's a very complicated case. I don't think he's 615 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 6: going for incitement to insurrection because the Justice Department has 616 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 6: taken the position in all the other January sixth cases 617 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 6: that Trump wasn't involved in the violence, didn't command the violence, 618 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 6: as not an unindicted co conspirator in any of those cases. 619 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,959 Speaker 6: So they're going with this complex theory that, in relying 620 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 6: on John Eastman's dubious legal theory, he was corruptly trying 621 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 6: to influence the Congress and deceive the public and deceive 622 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 6: the government with respect to the electoral count. I don't 623 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 6: think that's the kind of thing the Supreme Court thinks 624 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 6: is a federal crime. Congress could make it a crime 625 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 6: if they could articulate something specific enough, but they haven't. 626 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 6: So I think there's going to be a lot of 627 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 6: litigation in this case. And even if Trump didn't have 628 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 6: all these other things going on, it would be very 629 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 6: hard to get this case scheduled to trial anytime soon 630 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 6: with all the motion practice that has to happen. 631 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 3: So so wait, So just to be clear, any so, 632 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 3: all the federal charges that are brought currently and possible 633 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 3: and perspective, you think they may not be formally, you know, 634 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 3: officially adjudicated. He may not have to face a jury 635 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: till of his peers until after twenty twenty four has decided. 636 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: Is that where you are, which. 637 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 6: Means it'll never His best shot, buck is to win 638 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 6: the election or for a Republican to win the elect 639 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 6: after the charges against Trump and the weaponizing of the 640 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 6: Justice Department have been made an issue in the election, 641 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 6: and all this stuff about can Trump pardon himself or 642 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 6: will Trump be pardoned? It's nonsense. If the Republicans win 643 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 6: the election, the Republican Attorney General when the next administration, 644 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 6: will simply dismiss the cases if they haven't been tried. 645 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 6: So that's at least the federal cases, they'll just disappear. 646 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 6: That's his best shot. 647 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 2: I want to make sure we don't pass on what's 648 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 2: the testimony that's going on right now from the irs whistleblowers. 649 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 2: You know this, Andy, and I'm curious if you've ever 650 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 2: been involved. Mary Ellen Noriaika is the judge in Delaware 651 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: who has to sign off on Hunter Biden's plea agreement 652 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: based on all the evidence that has come out surrounding 653 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 2: the investigation, the allegations that the investigation was not properly undertaken, 654 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 2: that it was restricted, that there were opportunities to bring 655 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 2: charge in that were rejected. Do you think this judge, 656 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 2: on I believe it's July twenty sixth, should sign off 657 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: on this plea agreement or should she not refuse to 658 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 2: sign off on it based on all this stirmin turmoil 659 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: surrounding it, And if she did refuse to sign it, 660 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 2: what would happen next? 661 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 6: Well, I think there's a middle position play, and it 662 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 6: seems to me that what she can do, what I 663 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 6: think I would do if I were the judge, is 664 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 6: I'd have a lot of questions about why things were 665 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 6: done the way that they were done, and why the 666 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 6: government elected to do the things it did, how it 667 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 6: can say that it did so in the interest of justice, when, 668 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 6: for example, by slow walking the case, which is a 669 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 6: fairly simple, straightforward case, but by slow walking it the 670 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 6: way they did, they actually lost counts that were some 671 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 6: of the most important counts in the case. They lapsed 672 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 6: because of the statute limitations, and from what I heard 673 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 6: so far, are in this hearing. But the defense was 674 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 6: willing to extend by agreement the statute of limitations, but 675 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 6: the prosecutors allowed it to lapse. If I were a judge, 676 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 6: I'd have some pretty significant questions about that so I don't. 677 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 6: I what I anticipate is going to happen next week 678 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 6: is we may not have a plea proceeding at all. Rather, 679 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 6: I think the judge is probably gonna have some tough 680 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 6: questions for the Justice Department and require them to answer 681 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 6: them publicly. 682 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 3: So you don't think Hunter is totally out of legal 683 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 3: jeopardy in your mind? 684 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: Is that fair to say? 685 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 6: It's not all? If every plea agreement says that it's 686 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 6: up to the judge whether to take the plea and 687 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 6: what's sentenced to impose, and if the judge conveys to 688 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 6: Hunter Biden that you know, I understand that you've made 689 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 6: this agreement with the government which looks like, you know, 690 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 6: pretty lenient on the sentencing guidelines. And then I'm looking 691 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 6: at this and it looks to me like these should 692 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 6: have been selling charges and I kind of don't understand 693 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 6: why they weren't. And I'm not bound by this disagreement 694 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 6: under the sentencing guidelines. You know, every agreement says that 695 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 6: it's up to the judge to take the plea, and 696 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 6: it's up to the judge with's sentenced to impose, and 697 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 6: if a defendant pled guilty, thinking the judge was just 698 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 6: going to be a robber stamp. And it turns out 699 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 6: the judge isn't defendants get second you know, give second 700 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 6: consideration to whether they are to be pleading or not. 701 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,439 Speaker 6: So it's not over till it's over. It's not over 702 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 6: till she accepts the guilty plea and schedules the sentence. 703 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 3: Andy McCarthy, everybody look for his latest on National Review. 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Visit PHX on air dot 728 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 3: com today helping. 729 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 2: You separate truth from fiction every single weekday The Clay 730 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 2: Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Welcome back in Clay Travis 731 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 2: buck Sexton Show. Let's have some fun to close up 732 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 2: up the show here Buck in an out Burger, I 733 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 2: think we talked about this earlier in the show. We 734 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 2: kind of teased it in and out Burger in five 735 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 2: states is now requiring you to have a doctor's note 736 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 2: in order to be wearing a mask inside of their 737 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 2: establishment if you're an employee. And it states like Colorado, Arizona, California. 738 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 2: I think five Western states where the woke virus has 739 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 2: spread most significantly, and I want to give credit in 740 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 2: an Alberger because I love this. Do you remember this 741 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 2: back in the twenty twenty one. I think people try 742 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 2: to pretend this wasn't happening. But many different Blue cities, 743 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 2: we're trying to mandate that you show a COVID vax 744 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 2: card in order to go get a hamburger at a 745 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 2: McDonald's or in an Alburger. And in an Alberger said, yeah, 746 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 2: we're not going to be asking people if they have 747 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 2: gotten the COVID shot before they come in and buy 748 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 2: a hamburger. And it was actually controversial in California that 749 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 2: they were willing to say that. And I know it's 750 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 2: crazy to even think about, but you couldn't buck you 751 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 2: in to New York City. You couldn't go into McDonald's 752 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 2: in Times Square and get a big Mac without having 753 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 2: a COVID shot card to be able to show people. 754 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 3: In New York City if you wanted to go to 755 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 3: a restaurant and you had not gotten a shot. People, 756 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 3: generally speaking, not everybody, obviously, I've lived in New York 757 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 3: during the pandemic. They treated you like you were a 758 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 3: reckless monster who didn't care about other people being hurt 759 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 3: by your actions. That was the act that was the 760 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 3: widespread attitude, including going to get a cheeseburger. I remember 761 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 3: de Blasio the worst mayor in the country. I used 762 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 3: to think maybe Ted Wheeler in Portland or who was 763 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 3: just remained in Chicago. No, no, no, no, did build a 764 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 3: Blase was the worst, was the worst mayor in the 765 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 3: country when he was mayor. And and I remember he 766 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 3: had this whole thing where they were giving out shake 767 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 3: shack to people, which I will say is a very 768 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 3: tasty burger. I'm not gonna lie. It's a very tasty burger. 769 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 3: Much more liberal company in terms of ownership, but a 770 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 3: very tasty burger. He was They were giving out shakeshack 771 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 3: to people to make them get the shot. And so 772 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 3: it was in part like get the shot, will get 773 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 3: you free shake shack, and you'll actually allowed be allowed 774 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 3: to get the burger because you'll have the little special card. 775 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 3: The fact that they even had vaccine passports for people 776 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 3: and there were apps and all this stuff, Yes, that 777 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 3: should never be forgotten that the the Democrats who did 778 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 3: all this, these people should should never be allowed to 779 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 3: be in a position of power. Ever, again, what they 780 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 3: did is is heinous. It was stupid, It was unscientific. 781 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 3: I actually just saw a sort of a former colleague 782 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 3: mind if you will, who's a medical doctor on my 783 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 3: flight down here yesterday and she saw me. 784 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: She came over. 785 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 3: She had done a show as a guest of mine 786 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 3: Clay many years ago. She's an MD, critical care MD 787 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 3: started talking with the COVID thing and just we kind 788 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 3: of had a this is in the airport, just walking together, 789 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 3: had a therapy session. I was like, what, I said, 790 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 3: what happened to your profession? She said, it's it's disgusting, 791 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 3: it's horrible. What what mds and doc? Anyway, on to 792 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 3: the happy side of things on I'm a very optimistic guy. 793 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: In and out. 794 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 3: Burgers are amazing. They're delicious. It's a great company. I 795 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 3: wish it was public so I could buy stock. It's 796 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 3: it's a private company, right, I don't think that's right. Yeah, 797 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 3: I don't think. Yeah, if I could buy stock, I 798 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 3: would because I would want to support them and be 799 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 3: a part of this ride. Amazingly tasty burgers and they 800 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 3: love science and America. Yes, and they are moving. 801 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 2: They're East Coast headquarters to Franklin, Tennessee, I believe, and 802 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 2: that is my hometown and They're soon going to be 803 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 2: opening in and out burgers here where I will be 804 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 2: happy to go buy Hamburger and support truth, justice, the 805 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 2: American Way, and no masks anywhere. 806 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: What was as far as the eye can see? What 807 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 1: was the other sandwich place? You I even heard of it. 808 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 3: You've got all these these saying like it wasn't Subway, 809 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 3: it was the other place you said, was even Jimmy John's. 810 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: I've never been to a Jimmy John. You've never been 811 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: to a Jimmy John's. 812 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 2: Jimmy John also lives down the street from me here 813 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 2: in Franklin, Tennessee. Now it is an infinitely superior, in 814 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 2: my always humble opinion, subplace to subway, not anti subway. 815 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 2: I also will eat in subway, but Jimmy John's better