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Speaker 1: new year, and as you're listening, uh code name Doc

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Speaker 1: Holiday Mission Control, Matt Noel and myself are on some adventures.

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Speaker 1: We're preparing for some big things on the horizon, and

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Speaker 1: we wanted to share a classic episode with you today.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the ones I don't think you

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Speaker 1: you want to maybe can we talked about that a little?

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Speaker 1: It was very just briefly we happened to you know, what,

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Speaker 1: May it may have been because Lucky Yates is known

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Speaker 1: I want to say this is an uncensored episode unless

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Speaker 1: back with new episodes as always. From us to you,

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Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist. Happy New Year. From UFOs to psychic

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Speaker 1: powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call

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Speaker 1: me Ben. You are you? And that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: you guys, doing all right, feeling good, feeling nice? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: unicorns figured out how to slip through dimensions. And then

422
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Speaker 1: when the big Foot was sort of about to get extinct,

423
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: the unicorns thought, I'm gonna save that big Foot got

424
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: him to the other Now it's then it was the Dodo,

425
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: and then every once in a while they slipped back

426
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: through like they on your Bigfoot episode. They're like Bigfoot coming,

427
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: like they waved the form of weird that if you

428
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: can be seen but then disappear. It was, yeah, if

429
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna go down the rabbit hole, go deep, Like

430
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: we don't know that you can't slip through dimensions. We

431
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: don't know just because we can't do it and haven't

432
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: seen any real evidence. It's true because science does indicate

433
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: that there are dimensions that the average person doesn't interact

434
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: with in a conscious way. You know, we can't were

435
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: like meat beings, right, There's like got to be more

436
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: going I mean, there's so much more going on than

437
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: our eyeballs can see. You're perceive, you know what I mean?

438
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, who knows. We still haven't figured out death,

439
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: and we've been trying to crack that nut for a

440
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: long time. So do you guys ever wonder if you're

441
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: being observed from some higher dimensional we are there right there,

442
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: there a bunch of creeps with I know, but yes,

443
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt. Yeah, I'm making light. But sure

444
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: that some sort of cosmic overlord. I don't I don't

445
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: believe in God, but like I get that sense right,

446
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: like there's got there's something. I don't know what it is. Yeah,

447
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: even if it's just a population of other intelligent beings

448
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: that exist on you know, higher dimensional level are watching

449
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: this idiot breed of ape ruined their planet. Maybe, but

450
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: it just it makes me wonder if that, if if

451
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: that didn't in fact exist, if uh, peering into whatever

452
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: this dimension is would even be possible. Well, if there's

453
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: if there is a supersymmetry to consciousness, then they would

454
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: probably enjoy watching a train wreck. So I mean, because

455
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: you can see the whole thing right, Like, essentially time

456
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: would be a flat circle. Where's my can of lone Star?

457
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: Where's my terrible sequel? Ok? I still believe that. Um so,

458
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: speaking of sequels and brilliant segues, will be right back

459
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsor and we have returned.

460
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: I proposed that we, uh we shift to something else,

461
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: something that's been in the news lately. Yeah, I saw

462
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: this story not long after. I spit into a little

463
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: vial and mailed it off to a company called Ancestry

464
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: dot com. Um. They're not a sponsor, so I'm gonna

465
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trash him a little bit. The first of all,

466
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: they were very nice, they let it. It It was for

467
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: another show that I work on called Stuff of Life,

468
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: and we had an episode was called Wired, was about

469
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: the connection between human beings on the planet, whether it's

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00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: electronic or you know, uh, what's the word genetic, or

471
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, various ancestors, etcetera. And so we all took

472
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: the tests and we got the results back and it

473
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: was so underwhelming. It was like, I'm eight percent Scandinavian

474
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: or something, and it was just like I was expecting

475
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: more granular detail in there. So it was already let

476
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: down there. Then Love and Behold, I stumble upon this

477
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: headline genealogy a warning to Ancestry customers who consent to

478
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: use DNA services, And it's basically about how they have

479
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: partnered with a biotech company called Calico that's owned by

480
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: Google and uh. This partnership allows Ancestry to make its

481
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: customers DNA results um available to other companies for research purposes.

482
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: You know, this is a this is a serious rabbit hole.

483
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: If we want to go down it, which obviously we

484
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: very much do. We're already if you want to go

485
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: to the depths? Could they clone me without my consent?

486
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: I want to run into another me at the mall

487
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: one day, have the whole chase and the whole man.

488
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: I want it so bad. For what reason would they

489
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: collect your d NA? Like? Are they starting a seed

490
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: bank for humanity? Much like the seed bank that's being

491
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: flooded out? And where is it noway Norway? Maybe there's

492
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: holding onto it until they can figure out something cool

493
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: to do with it. Let's populate Mars with workers of

494
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: like these guys that you know they don't know yeh, Nordic,

495
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: thanks thanks for your worker up there, and we got

496
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: another you digging a pit. I was underwhelmed to the

497
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: point where I was like, what is up something that

498
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: like like it's like it didn't feel like a real

499
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: feel like a real nervous And now I find this

500
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: out and it's like, man, you know, at first, you know,

501
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: we already know where our our data as being sold,

502
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: but sold they now it's our d NA granted I

503
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: chose to spit into that little vial, So that was

504
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: my choice and it was free. So if they're really

505
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: trying to be super nefarious and get particular people's DNA,

506
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: it's easy to fase somebody down and get a glass

507
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: after they drank out of It's. Yeah, it sucks, but

508
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: but this is like fine print that I sent it to, right, Like,

509
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: they have my studies, they have my stuff. Well, here's

510
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: the thing, here's stuff, here's one thing we do know.

511
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: Gene therapy they would use. They would look through your

512
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: code to find indicators of uh preponderance or tendency for

513
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: a genetic disease predisposition. And they would say, well, it

514
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: turns out that this person is Scandinavian and making this up,

515
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to scare you has a higher um

516
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: likelihood of developing. What's something really weird, uh Like they

517
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: can make it up super glaucoma. Super glaucoma. Yeah, it's

518
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: an epidemic in Scandinavia and um. And so they would say, okay, well,

519
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: now we have this this treatment that we've patented that

520
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: can address that thing for the specific group of people,

521
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: but we own it. You don't get a part of it.

522
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: That's the other thing that got me because I'm so cheap,

523
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: you guys. When I learned about all the massive data collection,

524
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: just electronic surveillance, I I figured, okay, yeah, well what happens.

525
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: And then I learned that they were selling it and

526
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't getting a cut. It was like, that is

527
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: not cool, you know what I mean. So here's here's

528
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: the here's yeah, the gist of the fine print. This

529
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: is from an article UM that I just pulled up.

530
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 1: It says, basically, ancestry gets to use or distribute your

531
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: DNA for any research or commercial purpose it decides, and

532
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have to pay you or your heirs. Ancestry takes

533
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: this royalty free license in perpetuity for all time and

534
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: contribute the results of your DNA tests anywhere in the

535
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: world and with any technology that exists or will ever

536
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: be invented. That's the part I'm talking about, or will

537
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: ever be invented, Like that means they could clone me. Yeah,

538
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: it's weird in context when they give like in perpetuity

539
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: and all the known universe, like they go on, They're like, whoa,

540
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: what the universe? I feel like I got got you guys,

541
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: and how long can a blood sample last, do you

542
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: think or a saliva sample last? Well, you can also

543
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: be extracted or something. It's not a one and done

544
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: because you can cultivate it, so they can just continue

545
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: growing until they're ready to make it. I know you're

546
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: trying to make me feel better mad, but not helping. Well,

547
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: you gotta put yourself in it. Yeah it sucks. Don't

548
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 1: do it. Don't take my DNA into stuff with it.

549
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: But what are they really get it? I don't know.

550
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: What are they gonna do that's gonna screw up your

551
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: life so bad? Unless they like planted on the on

552
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: a crime scene, But why would they do that. Don't

553
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: make an enemy at whatever Google, so they they're not

554
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: planning your DNA murder. Yeah that's the thing though, of

555
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: a company like Google has this kind of power report.

556
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel. What I wouldn't do

557
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: is just don't ever talk trash about Google or alphabet.

558
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: I just did the ships sailed, that rocket is launched.

559
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: We're on the way over for me. It's not Hey,

560
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: don't feel bad. Yeah, I mean, and if we lose you,

561
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: we'll just get the other version and use my clone.

562
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: It is the type of thing that maybe one day

563
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: they like got a clone of you in a tank somewhere,

564
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: and then you're like, I'm dying of kidney failure. And

565
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: then suddenly there's like, hey, we have a kidney that's yours.

566
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: You can buy it from us because you signed this

567
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: thing that said we could have come back to you

568
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: if you like another one. Yeah, so you're on a

569
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: payment plan, rightyway, Lily awake. The thing about clones in

570
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: the basements, you gotta be really careful about power fluctuations

571
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: like that can be a big deal, just from you know,

572
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 1: from every everything you've learned. Yeah, from everything I've learned

573
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: that while they're in the tank, I'm assuming they'll be

574
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: in some sort of tank that if the power fluctuates

575
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: between that, then what might happen? Mutations will happen. Oh yeah,

576
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: all kinds of bad things could happen. You should know

577
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: a little thing or two about cloning. That's sort of

578
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: a thing. The comedy that Adam Read writes into a

579
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: script about such things. That's all. Don't you have a

580
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: basement with tanks? I know, oddly enough, No, even though

581
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: most of my Twitter followers think that I am, in

582
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: fact the cartoon scientists. It's remarkable to me that people

583
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: still people don't know the difference between the person who

584
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: voices a character in this actual cartoon scientist that does

585
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: insane thing. Are you saying you don't have a holographic girlfriend?

586
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: Really don't. Although last year a Dragon cut there was

587
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: a guy who dressed his creeker and he had a

588
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: little mini uh projector with him and he would stand

589
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: next to walls and he had a Mitsuko as her name,

590
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: and she would actually she could move like there was

591
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: like a chip form, and so she would move next

592
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: to him and it was brilliant. It was like, oh,

593
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: so good. You gotta respect the craft at that point, right.

594
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: It really incredible people are devoted costplayers. Dragon Con cosplay

595
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: in particular is pretty It's the big the whole point

596
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: of that whole. It's a New York Comic Con for

597
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: the first time, and it was amazing, Like the rooms,

598
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: like the vendors got blew my mind, but like the

599
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: costume game was just not nearly the same. San Diego,

600
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: this gigantic TV and film trade drow and cosplays a

601
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: tiny little part of it. It's so strange to me

602
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 1: with with cosplay because there is something on a psychological

603
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: level so alluring and tempting to to become some other person,

604
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, and at heart, like I know, sometimes people

605
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: can say, oh, that's that's silly, why are you doing this?

606
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: But at heart it's the same compulsion that drives people

607
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: to change their identities permanently. Or I don't talk very

608
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: much about my personal life on this show, but I

609
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: will confess something because it happened in the in the past.

610
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: I when I found out I usually wear um darker

611
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: color clothing. When I found out that I could take

612
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: a piece of just eight and a half by eleven

613
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: paper rolled up like this, stick it under the collar

614
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: of my shirt and be wearing all black, then I

615
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: started impersonating a priest on Martha and I'm sorry, it

616
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: was great. What did you do as a priest? People?

617
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: People would come up and talk to me. You know,

618
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: what is an easy way around all this tomfoolery is

619
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: just go online and get yourself with twenty five UH ministers,

620
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: which I have. Yeah, Yeah, I'm a Yeah, I wear

621
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: my collar out in public sometimes and do people want

622
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: somebody to talk to as much of an atheist as

623
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: I am? And I am a ranging one man, people

624
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: want some sort of religious place to go and just

625
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: dump all their junk onto. I liked it better when

626
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: you wear the eye patch. Yeah, the eye patch is

627
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: a different experiment. I walked up to after work spot

628
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: and Ben was wearing an eye patch, and you know,

629
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: Ben's a little bit of an intense figure sometimes were

630
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: regular guy. So I up and go, hey man, everything okay,

631
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: and you just like, I don't want to talk about it.

632
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: And I was like okay, and I like, I know

633
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: when to back off, and so I backed off. And

634
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: this other guy unrelated to the original group walked up

635
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: and knows Ben was going off the eye patch. I

636
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it, and it I was like,

637
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: I really thought something was up, and then like later

638
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: it turned out that he was just messing around with

639
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: all social experiment. Just these fools will do while I

640
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: wear an eye patch and I don't want to talk

641
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: about I was one of I don't know about I'm

642
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: with you, thanks, man, I don't know about I don't

643
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: know about fools. But yeah, it was oh gosh, man,

644
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: rocketting and eye patch. I think it's disrespectful if your

645
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: eyes work to do it permanently, you know, because I

646
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: was thinking, what if I run into someone who actually

647
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: has because you could tell a real eye patch versus

648
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: a fake eye patch. The real ones are obviously medical devices,

649
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: and they've got gauze and stuff on them. You don't

650
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: really see people walking around with the black eye patch

651
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: with right and so if I ran if I ran

652
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: into that person, it would be like running into a

653
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: genuine priest. What I'm dressed as a priest, I would

654
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: have to I don't know if I would just turn

655
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: tail and try to disappear, or if I would try

656
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: to see if my BS skills were accurately claim. You know,

657
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm an internet uh minister, and I saw people that

658
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: might have needed to reach out, and so I slapped

659
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: on a little collar. Yeah, pulled the Dave Chappelle thing.

660
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me

661
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: a priest. Oh boy, who I'm sorry, I've derailed us

662
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. Let me read it back. Yeah, okay,

663
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: what if you ran into your clone? If I ran

664
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: into my clone, I would love it. I would eye

665
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: patch is the only one that tells us who the

666
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: real That's what I would need. Um. It's it's interesting

667
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: because when we talk about the scientific cloning. They're actually

668
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: some very dangerous problems with the clones for some reason

669
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: that we don't understand, tend to be much less healthy.

670
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: Like Dolly the Sheep was just that that four lamb

671
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: did not get a fair shake from the start. Can

672
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: you believe it's been since n when Dolly the Sheep

673
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: was Yeah, I didn't even realize that was last century.

674
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: I figured that was definitely. Wow. It feels like we

675
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: haven't gotten that far. We really stop that unless at

676
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: com it's got warehouses full of us. There are theories

677
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: about human cloning centers that are all over the internet,

678
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: and we've been written to many times asking us to

679
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: cover these things. Why are why are you not? You

680
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: need a man in the field, that's the problem. Yeah,

681
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: we need somebody to go out there and try and

682
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: infiltrate one of these things. You need Lucky Aids slightly

683
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: successful voice actor. I want to clone myself. I want

684
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: I want to get off this money trade. And the

685
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: thing is, if we send a clone out, you know

686
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be a tragedy when something happens to them,

687
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: but it'll be a tragedy we originals can all experience

688
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: together this is when we get a clone of ourselves.

689
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: First of all, they're gonna be a baby, right, So

690
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: it's like, who knows if this baby is even gonna

691
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: live past six months and it's still just gonna be

692
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: a baby. They'll just come out fully formed. We're not

693
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: there yet. We're not to venture brothers where it's like

694
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: that we've got these tanks and beds and all that

695
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. It's like, no, we're gonna have age.

696
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: Acceleration is a whole different. Yeah, it's the consciousness really

697
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: that we got to get out of our bodies. Making

698
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: more meat versions of ourselves is silly if we are

699
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: this close to the singularity of melding with machinery, right,

700
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: But would want to go But that's the question. Would

701
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: it be just a copy of your consciousness? You know?

702
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: It's like that old Theseus's ship, right, the old idea

703
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: that if you slowly replace pieces of a ship over time. Yeah, yeah,

704
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: because you're calling it whatever. Yeah, it's a completely different things.

705
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: Would that? Sure? Why not? As long as you've got

706
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: I mean, all we are is a bag of chemicals

707
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: with memories, right, which are chemically induced. Yeah, so if

708
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: you can keep those memories and keep building on them,

709
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: which is the way at least our understanding of how

710
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: we work. Uh sure, why not. It's just a different

711
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: version of what we're already doing. It's just and coy.

712
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: If we get hit by a rock and you might

713
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: not know, I mean you would know, but it would

714
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: be a relatively academic fact after that, where you know,

715
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: maybe in the future it would be a fun fact

716
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: that you tell your friends at parties. You're like, you know,

717
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: I used to be made out of like weird meat meat. Yeah,

718
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: I had a part of me had to be cut

719
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: off because I mangled it when I fell up my bicycle.

720
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: Which reads those anymore? Did you guys ever read the

721
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: comic that's available online, I think through existential comics. It

722
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: was called The Machine, and it was all a thought

723
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: experiment about this very thing with a teleportation machine, with

724
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: every time you teleport, you die and another copy is

725
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: created in the prestige. Yeah, yeah, essentially the same thing.

726
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: And in this story I won't toil it too much,

727
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: but it's such a popular thing because you can teleport

728
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: anywhere and everyone's just doing it, and everyone is just

729
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: killing themselves and reconstituting themselves up right, Like like, is

730
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: there even a blip in the mind of the clone

731
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: that lets them know that they're a clone? In subjective

732
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: they're probably in subjective time, they probably wouldn't be ideally,

733
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: there wouldn't. We've talked about this before over over cocktails.

734
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: Sounds so classy. Yes, well, you know it's just what's

735
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: just because this kind of thing where when you had

736
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: a few beverages you can really go around stuff like

737
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: this for a while. But to think of the problem

738
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,479
Speaker 1: with that is we all. I don't know about you guys,

739
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: but I always thought that I sounded way smarter than

740
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: I actually did. You know, usually sound about as smart

741
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: as you are. I'm gonna choose to interpret that as

742
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: a compliment as it wasn't so. But in current let's

743
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: say you could have a clute right, okay, yeah, they

744
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: could sort of accelerated it's age up to somewhere point.

745
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: Would you want to have one around? Let's say, like,

746
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: oh no, Mike Livers failing thanks to our conversations about

747
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: this very thing. Now I need my spare part. I

748
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: would keep on me in a tank for spare party.

749
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: You couldn't make it to me being downloaded. You wouldn't

750
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: even do I want to be friends with him? And

751
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: then you go like, by the way, I'm taking your

752
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: liver well and your heart? Yeah, he thanks other me,

753
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: And then you start fighting about who, like who deserves

754
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: to live more? Is the original who is failing to

755
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: live more? Or does the improved clone deserve to live more?

756
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: Who knows everything? I think we should just I think

757
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: the answer that a lot of people will find is

758
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: maybe it's just easier to make organs. I don't know

759
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: if it's more more difficult or if it's easier because

760
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: you have to build an entire support system to impersonate

761
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: the rest of the body. For that liver, there'd have

762
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: to be something like blood going through it. But in

763
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: theory that couldn't you do it like you know, chicken

764
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: McNuggets style where it was all on an assembly line.

765
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: You could just make dozens of livers. Yeah, kind of

766
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: maybe exactly like times and such, you kind of have

767
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: like a selection, you know, like I don't know, Oh man,

768
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be instantly used by nefarious billionaires.

769
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: Did you also, did you guys read this study? Um? Well,

770
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's studied. I'm not on this,

771
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: but there were rumors going around that, uh, people have

772
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: discovered transfusions of blood from young mice into old mice

773
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: improved their health. Real life vampire how we're talking right,

774
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: this is a real thing now in Silicon Valley on

775
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: the TV show it was there, but also in real

776
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: life of infusing young blood into that's ridiculous star And

777
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: we can constantly making new blood, right, We're not just

778
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: using the tank of blood we were born with. Correct,

779
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: So we don't have I don't know, I don't know

780
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: for how long? How long does this new attitude last

781
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: when the blood it sounds like a fad to them

782
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: in vigor for the rest of time or does it

783
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: after a week? You know? That's I was gonna say,

784
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: imagine it's like taking a vitamin supplement or something. We're

785
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: just good through you essentially, then you're getting into that

786
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: countess that they battery. Well. Also, you know, mice witter.

787
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: What if it's just what if it's just like twenty minutes?

788
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: You know that's uh? Is it worth it? Right? Thanks?

789
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: College kid? Don't life gave me twenty minutes? Uh? Did

790
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: you guys watch Silicon Valley this season? There's this whole

791
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: this whole thing based on this where it's a guy

792
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: who was just employed with a salary to sit there

793
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: for twenty minutes and infuse blood. It's character. Yeah, it's

794
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: based on actual Well, I can give you some of

795
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: the background. You guys. So there's a this story goat

796
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: reported in M I T Technology Review. Uh, it is

797
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: being offered as an anti aging thing from a company

798
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: called Ambrosia. Is such a plot for eight grand a pop?

799
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 1: They will uh yeah, they will inject you. I feel

800
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: like all four of us are so creepy by calling

801
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: it new blood, but that's what it is. Young blood.

802
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: Young blood looks like the Radiohead song we Suck Young Blood.

803
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: They were prescient, weren't they. So uh. The guy who started,

804
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 1: Jesse Karmazin, said that within a month, most participants see

805
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: improvements from the one time infusion of a two leader

806
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: bag full of plasma. So uh. Several scientists say his

807
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: trial is so poorly designed it can't hope to provide

808
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: evidence about the effects. And it it was also a pay

809
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: to participate study that collected four point eight million from

810
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: the participants. That many people lined up. Yeah, wow, wow,

811
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: I you know, I want to see how this shakes

812
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: out a lot of people are saying that a lot

813
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: of other experts are skeptical to say the least. But

814
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: I have to ask if we assume it were like

815
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 1: if somehow it worked, which biologically the point doesn't make sense.

816
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: But but if it worked, what would be the point

817
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: where you would not do it? You know? Would it

818
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: have to be like the time span is not enough?

819
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: Would someone have to die? Would you be taking all

820
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: of someone's blood and then living a more healthy, virile

821
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: five It just strikes me as such a boogie thoughtless

822
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: thing to do. In the first place. We know blood

823
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: donation centers are always in short supply, not enough people

824
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: donate blood, and we're just like scooping up all the

825
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: blood that like dying children need and just just like

826
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: feel good, a little pep in my step. But imagine,

827
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: imagine if you could make a living, like an actual

828
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 1: living and pay rent just by giving your blood away

829
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: to these ultra rich humans. Would you do that? But

830
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't you feel terrible all the time? A blood bag?

831
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: You would literally be something. No, that's a terrible life.

832
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: That's not all. That's not a lots cool though you

833
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: could play some PlayStation you make golden time, like about

834
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: to pass house. You just cookie. Yeah, were just cooking

835
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: in an oculus rift and you're good to get know

836
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: what a terrible stop it people awful alright. I'll admit though,

837
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: if I even really wanted to clone, just like the

838
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: idea of it, Yeah, of course, yeah, of course I would.

839
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: If I ran into another meal at the mall, it

840
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: would be the best. It would be cool, like hopefully

841
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: if they had similar personalities, which we don't know if

842
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: they would, we don't know, we don't know. Right, there's

843
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: the one. There's this one farmer that had a beloved

844
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: bull and this bull would come in and out of

845
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: their house all the time. And the bull finally died

846
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: and they went to like Korea to have this thing cloned,

847
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: and it came in. It started out like, oh, it's

848
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: just like old rib or whatever the bulls, and then

849
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: the bull turned on them because clones are bevil Clearly

850
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: they've never seen science fiction. So the bull became this horrible, crazy,

851
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: rampaging bull that they had to put down. And they

852
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: should have been able to tell with the mustache and

853
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: all the patch. Also, don't let bulls in the house.

854
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: That is a bad one. Yeah, you got a bull bullyard. Yeah,

855
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: that's what people. That's when people tell me my first

856
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: day told me on my first day starting here, should

857
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: we we should we take a quick stop, hop off

858
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: the bull and take a sponsor break and then hop

859
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: back on. Sounds great and ride. So now our our

860
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: soudan finds us arriving at something that Matt Noel and

861
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: I had talked about a lot off air, which was

862
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: our earlier interview about disclosure with Stephen Greer Aliens, and

863
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: this is one of the things you had mentioned off

864
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: air too. I wanted to bring that up earlier and

865
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: tie to something we mentioned, this idea of being watched

866
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: by some as in force and the idea that they're

867
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: sort of watching us screw up our lives and our

868
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: planet in our society. And we talked in the interview

869
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: about if these are extra dimensional creatures, do they have

870
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: some purpose and interacting with us, Like are they here

871
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: to help us? Are they waiting to watch us burn

872
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: ourselves to the grounds so they can swoop in and

873
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: do something with what we leave behind? I don't know.

874
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: I think that's that was one of my favorite parts

875
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: of that discussion. I'm always I'm always terrified with the

876
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: quietly terrified. I would think a very like repressed British

877
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: kind of terrified. When I think about the physicist who

878
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: say Stephen Hawkins is one famous example, but the physicists

879
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: who say we don't want to meet extra terrestrials, Why

880
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: would they come all this way if they were traveling,

881
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: you know, according to the dimensional rules we understand. And

882
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: more even more disturbing, what if what if there are

883
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: other civilizations? Are since intelligent beings? They can hear all

884
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: the signals we're trying to put out and they're just

885
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: not responding. Yeah, maybe they're just like no way, Yeah,

886
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they're hiding people. Maybe they're hiding. Maybe we're collectively

887
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: our species. Is that idiot in the horror movie who's like, hey, guys,

888
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: I heard something weird in this house. I better go

889
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: down there. I'll go down the cellar, run up the stairs,

890
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: you see. I think we're just more in our infancy.

891
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: If there are other intelligence spaces were wailing, baby, were

892
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: nothing compared to the lifespan of a planet. I mean,

893
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of well, how many times has

894
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: there been a mass extinction. We're in the middle of

895
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: the sixth one right now, Okay, so so five times

896
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: before everything has been wiped out, and so we're just

897
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: the leaders at this one, like we had not been

898
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: on this planet for that long as a species. Uh,

899
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to say evolution, because that's how it works.

900
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: You know, we've evolved during just this small amount of time. Great,

901
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: we have thumbs and big brain cavities. But my question

902
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: to all that is that maybe there are and maybe

903
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, they're watching us and all that kind of

904
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: stuff and don't want to have anything to do with

905
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: us or our planets set up. Maybe species can't evolve

906
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: to such a state to even make it off a planet,

907
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like maybe the universal laws

908
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, just like why would we ever want to

909
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: infect other places with you? I don't know. I mean

910
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: that's the Earth is like an organism basically, uh, you know,

911
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: and every creature on it is another organism that is

912
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: fighting for its space and all that kind of stuff.

913
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: And humans are really running wild on ours and you know,

914
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: at some point we're going to throw good numbers of

915
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 1: ourselves off one way or the other. And maybe that's

916
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: just how life works in the universe, is that we

917
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: can only get so far. Any species can only get

918
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: so far before they just burn themselves out or throw

919
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: themselves off the planet because they get too smart. Good.

920
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: I really like that you pointed that out, because the

921
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: one of the things that we've explored in the past,

922
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: which is bothers people on an existential level, is just

923
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: what you said. It's a massive Um. I guess I

924
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: could say it's a massive pain in the ass I

925
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: can say on the air, right, yeah, Okay, well, I

926
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: think we've loosened the reins a little. That's true from

927
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: the Mars interview. I forgot about that, yes, But the

928
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: point is, you know, it's it's a massive pain to

929
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: take anything that's specifically adapted to living in this larger

930
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: organism recreated environment, uh, in a sustainable way, and then

931
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: just put it out in glorified um. I mean the

932
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: best we can do, but a glorified container. Right and

933
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: then and then say, okay, let's just keep playing this

934
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: lottery until we can build something, so I says, something

935
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: larger and so I sustainable. It seems like the future

936
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 1: of space exploration is going to belong to whatever new

937
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: life form humanity creates. So we're not the protagonist, really,

938
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: we're like the Yeah, they're like the Midwives or something. Yeah, yeah,

939
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: we we were the result. And and you know, there's

940
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: of course the theories that the life on this planet

941
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: evolved from commets and things smashing into it because somewhere

942
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: else there were these organisms and the microscopic level that

943
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: attached to the various comments and whatnot got here and

944
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: then boom, life happened. And so you know, if we

945
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: really want to get off planet, I say we just start,

946
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: you know, shooting, put put our personal microbes on some

947
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: rocks and them in the space and hope for the best.

948
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: Get some spermozoa and some eggs on these rocks and

949
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: get them out there trying to put a man. Why

950
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: would we try to put humans on Mars where they're

951
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: just gonna get bombarded with radios and nightmare scenarios that

952
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: they'll never survive. Is it because we just want to

953
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: have one guy or one lady who can one up

954
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 1: buzz Aldrin and a conversation later, I had a baby,

955
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: What did you do? That was one of the most

956
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: fascinating things from the Mars episode. There procreating on Mars

957
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: and how how long it will take to figure out

958
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: if that's even possible. I mean, it's so like completely unsustainable.

959
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: Was I think they could take a hundred people at

960
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: a time, and their goal is to get a million people,

961
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: And they were saying by the time that everyone got there,

962
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: there'd be a whole new generation of kids that have

963
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: been born. They worked the way we worked because we

964
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: grew up on this planet, not on some other planets.

965
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: But one thing that came up in the interview was

966
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: with with with Marshall, was I brought up the idea

967
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: would we evolve differently on Mars versus you know, who

968
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: really figured this stuff out was the first total recall,

969
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: whereas immediately like true Martians became mutants. So these weird

970
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: because they were just growing up in this completely different

971
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: environment than Earth is. And so we started sending people

972
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: there and they started breeding and then you got Quato,

973
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah where it's that But he's singing your eyes by

974
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: Peter Gabriel And again to go with Hawking, Yeah, why

975
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: would we want to meet? So let's say some species

976
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: was brilliant enough to make its way off the planet

977
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: or slip in between dimensions and all that kind of stuff,

978
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: and they're here and they're watching us, who are total morons,

979
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: Like with the humans do not have it figured out,

980
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: or else the world would be in a very nice

981
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: state right now where everybody would be working harmoniously with

982
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: one another. We are absolutely not in that state. But

983
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: they're going to be so much further advance. Why would

984
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: they come here for anything other than resources? And if

985
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: that's what they're here for, unless we're the resource they need,

986
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: then we be getting loaded onto ships. They just wipe

987
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,959
Speaker 1: us out and take whatever they were here for. It's

988
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: unobtained it. There was a Twilight Zone episode where the

989
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: Aliens wanted to take us all to their planet. Everyone

990
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: talked about it, right, that's great show. Great, they created

991
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: like every twisty sci fi truck in that show, gallery

992
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: gets even you have a quote. Kreager has a quote

993
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: in the show about superior anal technology with the Aliens

994
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: and that's why he was so fascinated by abductions and yeah,

995
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: and uh, they could tell so much just by probing ours.

996
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: That's That's one of the strangest and funniest things to

997
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: come out of pop culture around abductions and aliens and

998
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: all that. I just why is it always an anal probe?

999
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: Why are you? Yeah? Why are they What's ground zero

1000
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: for anal probe alien tropes like was it was it

1001
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: the Twilight Zone? No, I don't think it was. During

1002
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: the collective there was some real fads of suddenly there

1003
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: were all these forward right, and so like that. I

1004
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: think one abduct he probably brought it up, and then

1005
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: other of duct quotes on the same Oh yeah, that

1006
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: happened to me too. And then then of course, because

1007
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: it's the funniest thing that could happen is that you

1008
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: would go on this ship and the aliens would start

1009
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: sticking things in your butt. That's the one that people

1010
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: because we are still just who throwing monkeys. Absolutely, and

1011
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: I know I don't not believe in the concept of abductions.

1012
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: I just don't think we have enough information. I'm not

1013
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: like fully on board, but I have the same attitude

1014
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: towards that as I do about like the existence of

1015
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, a greater Here's my question. You know, if

1016
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: aliens were coming here and abducting us, why would they

1017
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: give us put us back? I want they just take us,

1018
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: take a person, go off to all their experiments and

1019
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: the discard. Why did they wait for ethical reasons bringing

1020
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: us back and putting us back? In a sort of

1021
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: fuzzy memories of what happened, Like, what's the point of

1022
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: throwing us back? Maybe they have really high level morals

1023
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: in there, and they would ask us permission, and they

1024
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: have a booth you know, up at college campuses at

1025
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: the alien fair where you would go and see like, oh, yeah,

1026
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with this experiment as I want the

1027
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: aliens to figure out about us. You get a small

1028
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: amount of money. Why would they ever bring us a

1029
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: stipend at least? Yeah, like we had all these extra

1030
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: steps so that they're nice to us in the end,

1031
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: Like they're awful, but they're nice. Well, there's also the

1032
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: possibility the abductions occur, but are the cause is misattributed,

1033
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, because we know memory is treacherous, right. One

1034
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: thing I thought was interesting about these alien abduction stories

1035
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: is if you look at them plot point for plot point,

1036
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: they're very, very similar to the old tropes of people

1037
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: being visited by change lands or fairies. You know. So

1038
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: I think there's a larger phenomenon or experience or something

1039
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist. But I think it's also it's also

1040
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: just very It's it's easy to attribute a specific cause

1041
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: with a lack of transparency. But if we don't know,

1042
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: then we can just say what is more likely, what

1043
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: is less likely? And I love the point you're making

1044
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: about why why would it be catch and release? You

1045
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because what is this? Yeah? What

1046
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: you will? There's a whole spaces endless Yeah, as far

1047
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: as we know, just chuck our bodies out when you're

1048
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: done with us. I will say this though, and this

1049
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: bleeds into not only what we're talking about, but also

1050
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: my theory on ghosts another which is dimensional echoes. Right,

1051
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: so we could be you know, the theory say that

1052
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: we live in this multidimensional system where and let's say

1053
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: dimensions rub up against each other. That's what I think

1054
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: ghosts because I wish, man, I wish more than anybody

1055
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, that ghost spooky ghosts would be flying around

1056
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: all over the place. God, I want that to be real.

1057
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it is. But I and I've lived

1058
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: in a house that other tenants have claimed was haunted,

1059
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: and they heard a lot of things, and every once

1060
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: in a while you would see a weird shadow walk

1061
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: by that you didn't. But I think things like that

1062
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: are just like maybe there's a dimensional echo, right, Maybe

1063
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: sometimes that they the strings or whatever get a little

1064
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: close to each other, and so there's some bleed in

1065
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: between dimensions, and maybe abductees are sleeping and they see

1066
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: this guy, they some other upside, some other dimensional thing

1067
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: will rub up against and there they can perceive it.

1068
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: They don't know what to make of it, and so

1069
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: they create this already in the pop culture mindset, or

1070
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: these alien abductions, and so it must have been that

1071
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: as opposed to this other thing that I can't even

1072
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: possibly begin to explain. I don't know. Did you ever

1073
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: have any personal experiences while you were there the only

1074
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: seeing out of the corner like me and some buds.

1075
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: Granted we were in our twenties, all stoners, beyond belief

1076
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: and you know, up at all hours, just being ridiculous,

1077
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: But we would all be sitting there, like either watching

1078
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: TV or something, and you'd see something walk by. Do

1079
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: we have these big French doors, And you'd see something

1080
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: and everybody in the room would turn and look, you know,

1081
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: at the same time, like what was that? And it

1082
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, what just happened? And one of

1083
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: my very best friends on the planet and also a

1084
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: big skeptic, was left in the house. At one point

1085
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: during the holiday season, everybody left and he heard like

1086
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: a full on party going on upstairs, and he was

1087
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: alone in the house and he was freaked out, like

1088
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: he like left the house. He couldn't take it anymore.

1089
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: And the guy, one of our buddies, who his grandmother

1090
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: had originally owned the house, and apparently there was a

1091
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: lot of entertaining that went on during the holidays and

1092
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. And that's why I was like, well,

1093
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: maybe these are just some sort of echoes of those

1094
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: old times and stuff that somehow I don't know. So

1095
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: not a conscious not a conscious thing, just another experience.

1096
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: So I've told this story in the podcast before and

1097
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell the quick version. Um. But when

1098
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: I was a kid, a girl I was dating, a

1099
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: dear friend of hers died in a car accident and

1100
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: I got into her car my my girlfriend at the time,

1101
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: she was finished class and it was like really cold,

1102
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: got in and she was like crying, and I'm like,

1103
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: what's up. And she blows on the inside of her

1104
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: car windshield and the girl who died with her signatures

1105
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: they're clear as day. And in my mind at that moment,

1106
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: I was like just ghosts, and you got really emotional

1107
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: and I felt like a sense of this thing. But

1108
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: I know now that it was totally like the kind

1109
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: of thing of a girlfriend would do, you know, like

1110
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: in their early twenties or whatever, write your name and

1111
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: in that in your breath through whatever, and you've got

1112
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: residue on your fingers. So it's it's like, yeah, exactly.

1113
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: But like in that moment though, I was just like done.

1114
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and it was like and I

1115
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: didn't even have to explain it away, just kind of

1116
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: like fizzled over time where I realized, oh, I was

1117
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: kind of like really taken in by the moment, but

1118
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: like this is really what was happening, and it was

1119
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: kind of disappointing. You know, our brains want an answer

1120
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: a lot of times the ones that we can perceive,

1121
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: and so we come up with ghosts. And here's where

1122
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: we get into something very similar, where the h would

1123
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: mind is just trying to make sense of something that

1124
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: we don't understand, and we call it a lot of

1125
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: times magic. So yeah, okay, all right, I'll buy magic. Yeah. Magic. Well,

1126
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: it's something that comes up here all the time because

1127
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: we discuss how technology if it's advanced enough it seems

1128
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: to be magic to us simply because we can't explain it.

1129
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: I cannot. Yeah, as far as I know, there's a

1130
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: little wizard that lives inside my laptop that makes it happen,

1131
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: as far as I know. Yeah, I don't know how

1132
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: it works. What's that Arthur C. Clark quote? Yeah, that's

1133
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: we're just like, uh, technology past a certain point is

1134
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: indistinguishable from magic. I'm paraphrasing. Apparently that comes up hardcore

1135
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: in the new Transformers movie. I think it's in the

1136
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: first four movie too. Yeah. So there's this idea, right,

1137
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: But then there are other human beings throughout history who

1138
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: have tried to make use of a more I don't

1139
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: want to say conventional magic, but spell casting and actually

1140
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: writing things down and yeah, yeah, the focus your mind

1141
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: on this one sort of subject or or outcome that

1142
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: you want, and somehow you are making the universe respond

1143
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: to your constant thought processes. Yeah. I used to buy

1144
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: into that stuff too, but then it becomes how can I,

1145
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: possibly my little chemical thing going on in my brain

1146
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: have any influence whatsoever on the physical world around me

1147
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: unless I do so, Like, unless you're influencing yourself in

1148
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: some way. Yeah, unless it's like weaponized psychology, which is

1149
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: a phrase somebody used that I thought was I thought

1150
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 1: it was cool, um, but it's yeah, it's it's true.

1151
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: There's certain things that no matter how much you focus

1152
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: your attention or whatever, how art and a fan of

1153
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: the secret you are, you can look like hundreds of

1154
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: people got together in the sixties and tried to lift

1155
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: the White House with their minds. He's still on the ground,

1156
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, thank you, sorry about that. You should

1157
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: have tried with like we tried to lift the bike first, Like,

1158
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: let's start with a bicycle before we moved to the

1159
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: White House, which is a giant building. It was people

1160
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: very heavy. So yeah, it has an extensive basement. I

1161
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, a bowling alley in it. So

1162
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: maybe if we got a couple of hundred people and

1163
01:07:55,720 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: like a toddler's bike, Yeah, start a ping pong ball.

1164
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: Try to lift that up hundreds of people. We're gonna

1165
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: put it right in the middle of this field. You

1166
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,919
Speaker 1: make the circle around it. Just lift this ping pong

1167
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: ball up? What do you guys do next Saturday? Hopefully

1168
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,439
Speaker 1: lifting my mind. I'd rather just play some ping pong,

1169
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: and we just keep it simple. I think we can basic.

1170
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna do this all in one afternoon.

1171
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: We just have to multitask, you know what I mean.

1172
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: We could take the ping pong balls from the ping

1173
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: pong game that will satisfy me and then try to

1174
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 1: lift them with our minds. Or we could see if

1175
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: someone could try to like till the ping pong game

1176
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: in your favor. Yeah, you know, because that's what people

1177
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: would do if they had small amounts of telekinesis right,

1178
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: You'd be in Vegas playing craps because you'd never loose.

1179
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: Don't you ever feel that urge though, just to like

1180
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: think real hard at something and make it do a thing.

1181
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: I try to do that all the time and it

1182
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: doesn't work. But like you're like, teleponness is magic essentially,

1183
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're all these words, all

1184
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 1: these you know, different things. It's all the same crap.

1185
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: It's just like you want something to happen that we can't,

1186
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,480
Speaker 1: but so you're gonna make it. This thing called make

1187
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: it work. They just haven't harnessed the strings yet in

1188
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: some cases. In some cases, uh practices that would have

1189
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:16,919
Speaker 1: been considered magical in the modern day did produce important results,

1190
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: like alchemists when their predecessors of chemists discovered a lot

1191
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: of stuff. Some of it, it turned out, later came

1192
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,799
Speaker 1: back to bide us, like pesticides. But at the time

1193
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 1: that's amazing, And so I I can definitely see that

1194
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: edge of that. I have a proposition for you guys

1195
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: that ties into this a little bit. So. One of

1196
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: the big psychic powers, which I would also classify with magic,

1197
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: that people will typically talk about in fiction or sometimes

1198
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: claim the experience, is what's called psychometry, the idea that

1199
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: by touching a physical object, someone with this gift would

1200
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: somehow know what happened, right, So like so like Lucky

1201
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: is like Lucky is like in somebody's kitchen and he

1202
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 1: picks up a knife and then he just all of

1203
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: a sudden knows there was used as a murder weapon.

1204
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: And he's still gotta like hang out and be cool

1205
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: with whomever the killer is for a second. Right, That's

1206
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: how That's how it happens. But um, now I think

1207
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: it's it's plausible or well possible that we as a

1208
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: species could arrive at a situation where technology or the

1209
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: Internet of things, which that was used to be a

1210
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: really popular phrase where it enables that kind of psychometry. Well,

1211
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: there was a there was a product that came out

1212
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 1: and there are probably several of these called tile and all.

1213
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: The idea. The idea was like people who lose things,

1214
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: and for a lot of people, this is a this

1215
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: is a convenient thing. And what it means is that

1216
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: you will never you not only will you never not

1217
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: know where an object that is tagged is, but eventually

1218
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: that same technology could get us to a point where

1219
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, this cup also has a story that I

1220
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: can tell that you can pick up just by touching

1221
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: it and just running your phone over it. That's pretty interesting.

1222
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: But I like seeing the trees and what not that

1223
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 1: it came from who knows, I don't know from what

1224
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: am I going to get from my cup? Yeah, when

1225
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: it gets documented first, like if they put if there

1226
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: was a cup is not the best I mean, honestly,

1227
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: it's not the best example. But yeah, if they made

1228
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: the cup and then they tagged the cup that held

1229
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: the cup, yeah, yeah, with the cup right right, that's

1230
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I think that's I think that's possible.

1231
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: But also I would ask if that ever happened. Would

1232
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: you want that? Would you want to participate in that society?

1233
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: I mean, unless it's just another distraction to keep us

1234
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: from the horrors of us destroying ourselves. And like, so,

1235
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: what's the point of knowing your cups the story? Right?

1236
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? What's the point even though

1237
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 1: it's just because we can do it? Like, yeah, that's

1238
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: Historically it's something that we've often We've often said as

1239
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: as a life form, we've often been like, hey, you

1240
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: know this thing we could do. It's someone's like, oh,

1241
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: like we can do that thing, like yeah, yeah, Like well,

1242
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: let's go into the desert and blow up an atom bob,

1243
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: Let's go do it. Our curse right of humanity, Like

1244
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: we're fearless and curious at the same time. We don't

1245
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: care if it's going to wipe out a bunch of

1246
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: ourselves in order to find something. Man, if we think

1247
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: of something, we're gonna have to do it, and I

1248
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: can stop until we do it. That's just the human way.

1249
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: You got to make sure we can. Yeah. So, so

1250
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: you were into magic at some point or you just

1251
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: the idea of magic itself. Also, because you know, every

1252
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: religion in the world is is based on the idea

1253
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: of a giant magical being and who you know, has

1254
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: other magical henchmen that seemed to no longer really be

1255
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: working out there in the field. But it's all magic based,

1256
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And this is like, it

1257
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: has such a grasp on humanity. The concept of magic,

1258
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: even though it's weird bringing up religions, is that when

1259
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,600
Speaker 1: you introduce that word to somebody when discussing you know,

1260
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm an atheist and so, but if I'm discussing somebody

1261
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: who has a religious background like my parents, let say,

1262
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Speaker 1: if you bring up the word magic, they flip out.

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01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: But then when you explain, but here's what you're saying,

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01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 1: and there's no other way to describe what you're saying

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01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: other than using magic, which is ironic considering that a

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01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: lot of hardcore Christians think any magic that doesn't isn't

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01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: involved in their religion is evil and witchcraft or satanic.

1268
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: And someone's like the magic in my book, Oh my God,

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01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: that's sent its work And it's not just Christianity to yeah,

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01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: And I mean, and it goes to humans being just

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01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: very tribal and we've got to have our group is

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01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: the right group and not your group. Let's wipe each

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01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: other out so that are ideals are the ones that survived,

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01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: and it's a zero sum game. Yeah, I'm so jealous

1275
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: of you. Haven't been able to see saw Ricky Gervais

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: debate or defend his atheism to Stephen Colbert, who is

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01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: a devout Catholic. Yeah, and he had the coolest line.

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01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: It was like, I believe in one less god than you. Yeah.

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01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: It's like, there's what three thousand gods in the working

1280
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: canon of humanity right now. I just don't believe in

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01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: one more than you. Yeah, you don't believe in two

1282
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 1: thousand nine gods. I just believe don't believe in three

1283
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: thousand of them. And I thought that was a great point.

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01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: It's great, you know, you know, if we want to

1285
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: get into religion, I don't know how many cards and letters,

1286
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,839
Speaker 1: but we just at this point would like to remind

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01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: everyone we will never tell you what to believe, no, no, no.

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01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: What gets you through your day, great, just as long

1289
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 1: as it's not causing you to do harm upon others.

1290
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: That's the way I see it. I think we can

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01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: all agree with that. If it gets through your day

1292
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 1: and you all your beliefs and you a rocket man,

1293
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: do it, go for it. Happy for you. Um, but

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01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that well, I don't think

1295
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think there. I'm not a big

1296
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: believer personally in proselytizing, so I don't. I don't think

1297
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: it's we say it on the show because it's something

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01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: that we practice in our real lives. We're not going

1299
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: to go out and tell people what to think or

1300
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: what to do now, but it's okay to say, uh,

1301
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to tell you not to

1302
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: attempt to launch yourself out of a cannon without training,

1303
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: but say, well, you should know the odds of you

1304
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 1: being injured are are much higher than the odds of you,

1305
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: you know, pulling off this cool trick. I mean, the

1306
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: person you're trying to impress might date you, but they'll

1307
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: be dating you in the burn ward for a while.

1308
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: Best case scenario. I think that's I mean, I think

1309
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: that's absolutely fine. I appreciate you said whatever it takes

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: to get you through your day. Um, so whatever gets

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: you through your day. We know that we live in

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: in the West, at least an increasingly secularizing society, right,

1313
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: and we also know that people are shedding some of

1314
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: the old taboos that once existed social taboos, I mean, right,

1315
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: and one of the biggest cases of stuff they don't

1316
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: want you to know that we get. Since this show began,

1317
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: be people asking us about marijuana legalization, specifically cannabis and hemp.

1318
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: M Yeah, we found a various different and surprising historical anecdotes.

1319
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 1: You know, marijuana was not the always the villain that

1320
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 1: it it became, you know, so we wanted to ask,

1321
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, what do you think about the current movement

1322
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: which is state by state um and kind of contradicting

1323
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: the federal government stances where you think about the current

1324
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: movement towards legalization A huge pothead? What do you mean

1325
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: still you said it was in your twenties. Uh No,

1326
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: that was my old drinking days. And well in my

1327
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: twenties I did. I left. I left pot for a while. Uh,

1328
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:14,679
Speaker 1: and I became a real good drunk, uh have fun drunk.

1329
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: Though I never got bad or anything like that, but

1330
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: I could eventually, I'll call it turned on me. Uh

1331
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: and I turned back to pot and I went, you know,

1332
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: I was, I'm like I with like many artists, I

1333
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: got a lot of neurotic hangups and such, and uh

1334
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: my entire life, I've always you know, been a panicky

1335
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,719
Speaker 1: type and I was taking Paxel and all the kinds

1336
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: of everything all day long, you know, having a pop

1337
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 1: pills every day just to keep me grounded. And man.

1338
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: Then we came back into my life and completely changed

1339
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: the game for me, Like I just put me at

1340
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,799
Speaker 1: ease with things I had never been at ease out before,

1341
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: gave me perspective on things that and you know it,

1342
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: and it was different than it was in my twenties,

1343
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: my experience with pot in the twenties, which was you know,

1344
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean my funny. So I'm just looking

1345
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: at party, party, party, party, as opposed to this thing

1346
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: that I'm discovering. Like, not only does it open me

1347
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:11,679
Speaker 1: up to uh talk more about ideas and see things

1348
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: from a different perspective than I had before. I think

1349
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: maybe age has something to do with that too, but

1350
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: um it also I don't have to pop Paxel every

1351
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: day anymore, because this has completely like mellowed out my

1352
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: whole panicky situation that I was always in the middle

1353
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: of into like being able to cope with things on

1354
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: a much more adult and responsible level than I had been,

1355
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,520
Speaker 1: which I was just reactionary before. And we've done episodes

1356
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: on big Pharma and obviously pretty significant and just about

1357
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: anybody just observing could argue roadblock too widescale large scale

1358
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: legalization is well, that's the whole and that's exactly correct.

1359
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: The problem with pot is that is that it's too

1360
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: perfect and grows wild and uh, giant corporations can't control

1361
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: that so much. And this is again goes back to

1362
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: the Mars thing, like you can't throw capitalism up there

1363
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: because it's just going to destroy itself really fast. Like

1364
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: if as soon as you through the idea of like

1365
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: who's going to make more money up here than it

1366
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: just ruins everything. Like so yeah, I'm all for a pot,

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01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, I also want to keep you know, the

1368
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: big corporations out of it because it is a crop.

1369
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: And you know, So here's the thing, Lucky, do you

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01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: live in Atlanta? I do? I do, and I smoke

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01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: pot every day, which is illegal and this thing but

1372
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: you think that that is what makes it hard to

1373
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: get ahold of. That's the other thing is that look,

1374
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: every other state, including mine, own every state that doesn't

1375
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 1: have legality it's out there and it's the easiest thing

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01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: in the world. It's easier for me to buy we

1377
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: than it is for me to buy alcohol. And I'm

1378
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: fifty years old, you know what I mean? Like, I

1379
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: got a hundred guys that I know that I can

1380
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: get some weed off of. I gotta drive to a

1381
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: liquor store and to know where one of those is

1382
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: and guys that will deliver marijuana to me. It's true.

1383
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: Alcohol delivery isn't a thing yet, not yet working on it,

1384
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: working on it. But it's weird because it's it ties

1385
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: into some of the blue law things right where, and

1386
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: those are especially common in the South. We used to

1387
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: talk about, well, we just talking about the case for legalization,

1388
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: whether it's decriminalization or full recreational legalization. When Colorado UH

1389
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: massively boosted their tax revenue and the state ran out

1390
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: of weed to sell, Nevada is currently out just this month.

1391
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: Became like they opened up their dispensaries and they're out

1392
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: of pot because it became soap. Everybody smoking weed except

1393
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: the guys in the big offices that are telling us

1394
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: not the smoke way. Well, they might be spoken to.

1395
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: What's that old line about prohibitions, like, uh, people vote

1396
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: for prohibition as long as they can still stumble to

1397
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 1: the polly admission does nothing but create crime. That's where

1398
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: the crime comes in, is the prohibition. As soon as

1399
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: it's legalized and regulated, then there's no problem anymore. It

1400
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: certainly feels like we're on the road to decriminalize, at

1401
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: least in a lot of places. I think the country

1402
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: is gladly walk to a dispensary and pay more than

1403
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: I currently pay on the black market, knowing that the

1404
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,799
Speaker 1: more that I'm paying is going to fund better schools

1405
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: for my state? Are you kidding me? Absolutely? Throw in

1406
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: on that. Look at the numbers though, it's absurd how

1407
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: much money it makes, and when it's using you know

1408
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: it's done in these more progressive states, they use it well.

1409
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you can pay for infrastructure already

1410
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: doing that in Georgia with the lottery, which is just

1411
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: legalized gambling. You know, we won't call it that ever,

1412
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: because we're out to gamble state. That's all that is.

1413
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: And every way it goes to our schools and in

1414
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: theory scholarships. In such a little bit, but but so

1415
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 1: good again, good good chance to start afresh with marijuana legalization,

1416
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: Like then you past legislation that earmarks that produg and

1417
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: it has to go there or else. This whole thing

1418
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: is done. What's really standing in the way, though, obviously

1419
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: politicians are a big part of it. You've got I

1420
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,600
Speaker 1: think the old generation of fear. There's a lot of

1421
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 1: fear from because you know a lot of people, that's

1422
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: the fear about losing their their influence. And I think

1423
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: it's a voter base, right, It's the type of thing

1424
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: that uh, you know, my parents I don't think would

1425
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 1: ever vote for legalization, even though they have two sons

1426
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: that are chronic marijuana smokers. Uh and uh. I think

1427
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: it's because they were adults during the Nixon years when

1428
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: he convinced them what an awful, terrible thing this was,

1429
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 1: and that's what they still have in their mind. The

1430
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: myth is still very much alive of what marijuana is.

1431
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: And you know, it's a boogeyman that like, oh, they're

1432
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: gonna start doing other drugs like zero zero want to

1433
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: do cocaine, LSD, any of the other drugs just being

1434
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: and I'm a huge pophead, but I'm a huge pot

1435
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: because I love pot. That doesn't make me want to do, like,

1436
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 1: let's throw my body into another weird state that I

1437
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 1: might not be able to control. I know how I

1438
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: am on weed, and I'm the best me when I'm

1439
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: on weed. Uh, but like if I get on LSD,

1440
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: God knows what's gonna happen. I don't want to go

1441
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: down that road. That's that's the thing. It reminds me

1442
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: of the little p s a s where someone's say,

1443
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: where someone talks to their their drug dealer and like, hey,

1444
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,520
Speaker 1: do you have any marijuana? Like, no, I'm out of marijuana.

1445
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: Try this heroin. No one would ever do that. No

1446
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: one's ever know and every God, well it is a drugs.

1447
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: Well it goes back far than that. I'll tell you what,

1448
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 1: back in my drinking days. Uh, drinking makes you want

1449
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: to fight. It makes you want to argue, and then

1450
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: it also loosens your inhibitions enough that you want to

1451
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 1: start throwing punches. I have never, not once while being

1452
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: high on the marijuana, have ever wanted to do anything

1453
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 1: but sit down and discuss normally cool topics. Uh. It

1454
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: never wanted to throw a punch. It never made me

1455
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: want to go do something stupid that I wouldn't have

1456
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,719
Speaker 1: done had I not been stoned. But that's all alcohol

1457
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 1: does is it makes you do the dumbest crap and

1458
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: gets you into nothing but trouble. Plus you feel like

1459
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: crap the next day. And man, there's no such thing

1460
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 1: as a weed hangover, because I've pushed it to the

1461
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: limits and I've never woken up the next day going,

1462
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: oh man, on that last bomb have I'll tell you what.

1463
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm turning thirty four pretty soon. And I had just

1464
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: a little bit to drink the other day, nightmare felt.

1465
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: And that's why I stopped drinking, is that I my

1466
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 1: love of alcohol did not end. Alcohol's love of meat ended.

1467
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 1: Became a one way relationship instead of a two way.

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01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: And I know what I'm not wanted anymore. So I

1469
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: took my belongings out of sweet Lady Boost's apartment, and

1470
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: uh there was Mary Jane waiting for me on the

1471
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: street corner. Oh man, serial monogamous took me right into

1472
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: green embrace, and I shall never go back. Well, what

1473
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: one thing I'm finding interesting about these conversations is that

1474
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: more and more people seem to be regardless of whether

1475
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: or not they personally use weed in any form. You know. Uh,

1476
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: typically more and more people seemed to be saying, well,

1477
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: what's the big what's the big deal? Like, when's the

1478
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: last time that a cry? I am related to the

1479
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: nature of this substance, not to the law surrounding it,

1480
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: but to the inherent nature of the substance. When's the

1481
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: last time that caused a crime? Everybody currently in our

1482
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,600
Speaker 1: society's to say the United States, everybody who wants to

1483
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: smoke weed right now is already smoking weed. It's there's

1484
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: not the illegality of it isn't stopping anybody because it's

1485
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 1: so easy to get. And the problem is is now

1486
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: it's so easy to get that if high schoolers want

1487
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: to smoke weed, they can go get it. If it's

1488
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: made legal and regulated, suddenly that becomes a little more

1489
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: difficult because then they got to get a guy to

1490
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 1: go into a store to pick some up and then

1491
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: give that back to the kid on the outside. It's weird.

1492
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, hanging outside the seven eleven trying

1493
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: to get some older guy to buy you a beer.

1494
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: Like it's just gonna mess up at some point. But

1495
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: it's not going to knock the black market out entire

1496
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 1: It won't, but it'll put a good step in there

1497
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: in the middle. That's going to screw up your game.

1498
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: It's weird to think about. If it does become legal,

1499
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:04,679
Speaker 1: imagine buying bootleg alcohol off of somebody like on the street.

1500
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: You could you could just go into a liquor store

1501
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: and get some alcohol. Or there's a guy that you

1502
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 1: know that has some, but he calls it jin still. Yeah,

1503
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: you guys running still fast Jimmy with the still. That

1504
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 1: is really interesting. I wonder how that that would affect

1505
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: the black market. Well, that's still that still does happen

1506
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: because this would be heavily taxed. And so even after

1507
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: your prohibition, there were people who kept like corn mash stills.

1508
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: We're going all the way back around, uh corn mash

1509
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: stills to um to avoid pain. Any kind of tax

1510
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: exactly will still happen where people will be growing. And

1511
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: so let's say it's legal, and then then it becomes like, well,

1512
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 1: where is your farming license in order farm this? Now

1513
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 1: it's a crop. You can't sell corn to people on

1514
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 1: the street just from your growing in your backyard. Technically,

1515
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: uh yeah, we you shouldn't be able to grow this

1516
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: other crop because we don't know what you're doing with it,

1517
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: and it's a regulated thing. People are all is going

1518
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: to grow their own, you know, that's they we have

1519
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: to now out of necessity. So that's you know, and

1520
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: there's a huge industry on grow your own you know

1521
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 1: what I mean, hydroponic kits and all that kind of stuff,

1522
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: a huge industry and time. But the only thing we're

1523
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 1: not allowed to do is put a seed in the

1524
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 1: ground and wait for it to grow up into a

1525
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: grow and then take a flower off and put it

1526
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: in our body. That's it's always weird to me, asked you.

1527
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: It's like you've got these like research chemicals they call them,

1528
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: like lab chemicals that are legal for a time because

1529
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: they're so new. Right, Like let's talk about like the

1530
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: bath salts epidemic, remember that where it like you know

1531
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 1: that some of that was debunked, but it was like

1532
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: a really potent like amphetamine more or less that was

1533
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: causing people to do pretty crazy violent stuff and like

1534
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: total dissociative properties. Right, But again that's stuff It was

1535
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: legal when they were doing it, and then you know,

1536
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: and then the d A catches up, figures it out,

1537
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: makes it illegal. But things are moving so fast with

1538
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: like sign researchers that kind of come up with these

1539
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 1: by products from whatever they're doing, I guess, and then

1540
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 1: they grow someone figures out they can market it as

1541
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: some kind of like a quick higher or a designer drug.

1542
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: Look at the opioid issue we have farm has people

1543
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 1: hooked on basically heroin in the form of a pill

1544
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: that came to them in you know, as a pain

1545
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: pill to deal with their pain, and didn't do it

1546
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 1: for under like downplaying it two doctors. Like literally the

1547
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: corporations are saying to doctors, that's fine, it's fine, pass

1548
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: it out, it's perfectly legal. Yet if you grow that

1549
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: completely just grows wild. We never did anything to it.

1550
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean that we have now, but like then, we

1551
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 1: just made other pretty flowers that have crazier effects than

1552
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: they used to. Right. I have a have too fun

1553
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:55,600
Speaker 1: facts about marijuana. One, in Bhutan, the very small Himalayan kingdom,

1554
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: it grows wild in the ditches and it's it's legal

1555
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: if the people want to smoke it, but they don't.

1556
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 1: They feed it to the pigs, so it may have

1557
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 1: the most relaxed pigs on the planet. Their their pork

1558
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 1: is probably delicious, and he's like, oh my God big

1559
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 1: is so not traumatized by any of its life. Is

1560
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: the most amazing pork burrito I've ever had. And the

1561
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: second one is that apparently marijuana is technically legal in

1562
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:27,759
Speaker 1: North Korea, which you wouldn't expect from such a totalitarian regime.

1563
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: But apparently that's the one that's I don't know what

1564
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: kind of day, you know, Kim Millson and Kim Jong

1565
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 1: when was having when somebody came to him and maybe

1566
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: it was like later in the afternoon on a Friday

1567
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, uh so we've we've got that,

1568
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 1: we shot the people they want to shot, and where

1569
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 1: are you at with the weed? And he's like, I

1570
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: don't know, man, just letting them smoke. Let's do it?

1571
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 1: Is it on? Is it on their list of grasses

1572
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 1: that the citizens are they suggest the citizens that they

1573
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: eat because there's no food. Oh, that's a great question.

1574
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 1: I do not know it is it is said that

1575
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 1: that is U there is a yeah, what a what

1576
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 1: a great country that is we being legal or not?

1577
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: But even even the DPRK, even North Korea, yeah said that.

1578
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: So Kim Jong to let you do it? Yeah, why

1579
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: can't we? And so you know that dude's smoking. Look

1580
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 1: at that haircut? Wild and crazy? Yeah, I'm sure that.

1581
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: What's his name? The basketball tennis? Oh yeah, it isn't

1582
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: just showing up with autographed photographs. Do you think I'm sweetweed?

1583
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: Come on, man, at least seeds. So we see again

1584
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: what's happening is that legislation is typically outpaced by social

1585
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: evolution and technology. So is this an artifact a at

1586
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 1: different time, these sorts of laws, And if so, what

1587
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: is what is the future? What? What do you guys

1588
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:05,560
Speaker 1: think is Is it eventually going to be nation wide?

1589
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: I think it will, and it's gonna be like everything,

1590
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: It's going to be the dollars that speak the loudest, right,

1591
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: they're going to realize that, Oh my god, look at

1592
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 1: the tax revenue we can get if we just legalize

1593
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 1: this damn plant that has never been a problem. And

1594
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 1: they all smoke it anyway in Washington, so that looking

1595
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:25,919
Speaker 1: the d C. It's it's legal in this very city

1596
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: that makes the laws, and there's no problems. They're not

1597
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 1: experiencing gang violence because of pot. Those maniacs. Yeah, so

1598
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: you know it's a so this breed of you know,

1599
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 1: the old Nixon era and everything just they just have

1600
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: to die out or at the time of them dying out. Now,

1601
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 1: if humanity can make it past this next three and

1602
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: a half years, uh to where we'll be a more

1603
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: enlightened creature hopefully on the other side, and then maybe

1604
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: it'll all drop. I really thought that that was should

1605
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,759
Speaker 1: have been not to get into politics, but that should

1606
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 1: have been Obama's final thing. It's just going like, yeah,

1607
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: it's legal, and I'm out of here, so I can

1608
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 1: go puppa due on Hawaii. Yeah, because typically regardless yeah,

1609
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 1: regardless of their specific ideology, that is the part where

1610
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 1: whomever is the president, at the very end, they're like,

1611
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pardon everybody. We're popping bottles. You know what's legal.

1612
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: Now if you want to touch a buffalo inappropriately, go

1613
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: for it. Amount It would be like three guys like

1614
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, I didn't like him the first

1615
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 1: the first three years and eleven months, but he really

1616
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,560
Speaker 1: came through on that buffalo front. I've been looking a

1617
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: little buffalo sit now there that feel for quite some time.

1618
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:45,720
Speaker 1: Like terr you hear about the buffalo proclamation? Oh man,

1619
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: does you have to Southern accent? Just a genuine Montana accident.

1620
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:55,639
Speaker 1: I will point oh oh man, you know, I bow

1621
01:33:55,800 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: to your knowledge of Montonese and uh speaking of means,

1622
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 1: I think unfortunately it's going to be time for us

1623
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 1: to end the episode, but not the show. We would

1624
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: like to first off, say, tell people where you can

1625
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: find and hear more from the illustrious Lucky Yates basically

1626
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: on Twitter or Instagram. Follow me at at Lucky Yates

1627
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 1: l U c K Y y A t E s

1628
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: both wise are present. Find me locally if you're here

1629
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 1: in the Atlanta area at Dad's Garage Theater performing the

1630
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: improvised comedy That is a fun spot. Can you give

1631
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: us an update on the building situation and stuff going on?

1632
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 1: What I mean that building that we own? The church? Yeah, yeah,

1633
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: we have. We've converted a church and we're always looking,

1634
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: of course for funding to build on so that we

1635
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 1: can build, like our scenic guy, a shop so we

1636
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: can make our sets not thirty miles away. Uh, come

1637
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: on down to Dad's. You're gonna always volunteer if you

1638
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: want to get to know the place. These shows for

1639
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 1: free and then you know, it's fun. We're a big

1640
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 1: comedy town. I had a wonderful experience there. I saw

1641
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: Kevin McDonald from Kids in the Hall. He taught like

1642
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 1: a master, like a like a sketch writing class, and

1643
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: then he did stand up opening for the kids or

1644
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: the folks that he taught that did their sketches they wrote,

1645
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: and then closed the show just answering any and all

1646
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 1: questions the audience had about Kids in the Hall stuff,

1647
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: just dished deep about Kids at the Hall, like talked

1648
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 1: about Scott Thompson like catching himself on fire while naked, cooking,

1649
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: like all these amazing stories. And then he was like,

1650
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a huge space, it's very intimate.

1651
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 1: All you know, just chairs and like it feels like

1652
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 1: a small church kind of what's the word, like a

1653
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: wreck room or something like that. And it was just

1654
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: the most intimate, cool show I've ever been to. And

1655
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 1: then kind of talked to Kevin after the show. It

1656
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 1: was just a really nice guy. And so yeah, if

1657
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: you're ever in Atlanta or you live in Atlanta, definitely

1658
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: check out Dad's garage and let let us know if

1659
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: you're going, because we might go with you. I used

1660
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 1: to uh I uh times, Well, I'll just keep a

1661
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 1: short anecdote here. I used to steal my parents car

1662
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: to go watch shows at dad's garage. It was it

1663
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,679
Speaker 1: was great. I'm very lucky I didn't get caught because

1664
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 1: I did not have a license. But they know now

1665
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 1: my parents don't listen to this show. The last thing. Yes,

1666
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: Season eight of Archer is available right now on f

1667
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 1: X network somewhere, yeah, x now or whatever you can.

1668
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 1: It's all streaming somewhere. And then season nine apparently isn't

1669
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 1: gonna be around until we haven't announced. I don't yeah,

1670
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know whether anybody came up

1671
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 1: with that. I think it's Comic Car next week, and

1672
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 1: I think we're announcing what the next season is going

1673
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 1: to be, which I can't say here. Uh. And then yeah,

1674
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: I have no idea, I don't know, dud, no worries,

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