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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. All right, second hour Clay and Buck

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Speaker 1: kicks off, and as you know, we got another day

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Speaker 1: of the Trump trial with the Trumpster showing up himself.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is in fact there and he is doing

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Speaker 1: what he does. He is a one man show, always

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Speaker 1: and everywhere. He got a little um how do I

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Speaker 1: put this? He let his feelings be known about Letitia James,

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General, and about the judge Arthur Angorn, who

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Speaker 1: is presiding over this case. Here's let's start first with

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Speaker 1: this Trump saying what he really thinks about this trial.

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Speaker 1: On day three, play clip two.

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Speaker 2: He brought up the case unders the statue that has

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Speaker 2: never been used for a thing like this before. But

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Speaker 2: I'm not entitled to it. Who I had a jury

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Speaker 2: even though it's in New York, and I think I

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Speaker 2: think community New York, where if I had a jewury,

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Speaker 2: which one of these games very easy, but I don't

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Speaker 2: have a joy. Can you see? What's happening is the

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Speaker 2: railroad and it is the beginning of communism in our comuny.

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Speaker 1: This is the beginning of communism, the beginning of communism

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Speaker 1: in our country. It certainly is a massive leap forward

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Speaker 1: in the weaponization for political reasons of prosecutors and judges,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure, given what we see going on here.

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Speaker 1: I'd also note play this judge, particularly Judge anger On, who,

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Speaker 1: as we noted, seem to be very pleased to be

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Speaker 1: on camera recently. Yes, when the cameras came up, but

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Speaker 1: this is a flashback to twenty fifteen with this same

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Speaker 1: judge speaking about giving you a sense of his judicial

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Speaker 1: philosophy when it comes to juries. Play one.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm going to say something controversial, even taped, jury's

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Speaker 3: get it wrong a lot. That's my own opinion. I

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Speaker 3: do only civil trials, personal injury cases, contract disputes, but

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Speaker 3: I've had situations where like, oh my, my, Heaven's sake,

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Speaker 3: how could they have thought that? Well, I have a

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Speaker 3: tool that I can deal with that. It's called judgment.

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Speaker 3: Notwithstanding the verdict, I can say there is no possible

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Speaker 3: way that a reasonable jury would have reached that conclusion.

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Speaker 3: And all right, am I following the law or am

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Speaker 3: I making law? Okay, I'm following law. I'm an impartial referee.

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Speaker 3: But it's hard to factor out my own emotions.

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Speaker 1: Hard to factor out his emotions. We know he doesn't

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Speaker 1: like Trump. We know that there's a part of him

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Speaker 1: that likes to talk about how he will overrule jury verdicts,

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Speaker 1: which I know judges can do that, they can set

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Speaker 1: aside a jury verdic that is part of the process.

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Speaker 1: But you get the sense that we have an anti

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Speaker 1: Trump activist judge. Get that sense for a number of

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Speaker 1: reasons providing over this Trump civil case.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look on the judge overriding a jury verdict. The

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Speaker 4: most frequent time that I see it, and again it's

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Speaker 4: civil not criminal, is let's say there's a dispute and

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Speaker 4: the jury comes back and they say we're going to

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Speaker 4: award the defendant two hundred and fifty million dollars for

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Speaker 4: something that is nowhere near that level of compensation that's deserved,

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Speaker 4: and a judge basically just says, yeah, I'm gonna nullify

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Speaker 4: this verdict because he's basically what he's doing is on appeal.

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Speaker 4: Many of these verdicts will get struck down anyway. In

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Speaker 4: a plaintiff law context. I don't know, because i'd hear

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Speaker 4: the full context. I'm guessing that's kind of what he's

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Speaker 4: talking about. Because he's a civil court judge, and so

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Speaker 4: sometimes judges see juries render verdicts that are completely indefensible

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Speaker 4: under the law in terms of damages. Again, he's not

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Speaker 4: a criminal judge, but when you are sitting there and

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Speaker 4: making the rulings that he did as a matter of

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Speaker 4: law before this trial even started, I think it's fair

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Speaker 4: to say that he is a Trump hater. And I

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Speaker 4: think it's fair to say, generally speaking that if you

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Speaker 4: look at the judges that Trump has drawn, the only

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Speaker 4: far is the South Florida judge.

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Speaker 1: She seems her rulings.

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Speaker 4: I'll look at him and I'll say, okay, like this

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Speaker 4: is somewhat of.

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Speaker 1: A reasonable, middle of the road ruling.

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Speaker 4: In New York City, you got a Trump hating judge

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Speaker 4: for the Alvin braggcase. It appears you got a Trump

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Speaker 4: Despises Trump with every fiber of her being in Atlanta,

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Speaker 4: We'll see it doesn't seem like I would say that

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem.

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Speaker 4: Buck, If we have any indication at all that a

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Speaker 4: judge shouldn't be sitting on the on the trial because

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Speaker 4: there are so many decisions that have.

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Speaker 1: To be made. You need a judge who.

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Speaker 4: Is studiously impartial that is going to make the defense

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Speaker 4: Jack Smith unhappy with any of the rulings he's gotten

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Speaker 4: from Judge Chuck in in in DC. Yet There's been

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Speaker 4: a lot of emotions, a lot of arguments, unhappy with

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Speaker 4: any of it, Buck, He's not.

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Speaker 1: One so well with this. This judge has been quite

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Speaker 4: And I would if you take it, you know, into

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Speaker 4: your own life. Judges have to make really difficult decisions

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Speaker 4: on a regular basis. If they always side with one side,

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Speaker 4: it's not a guarantee that the judge is biased.

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Speaker 1: It's some pretty strong indication.

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Speaker 4: And given the fact that how many people in America

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Speaker 4: do you think don't have an opinion about Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: Buck? Percentage wise no opinion one way or the other.

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Speaker 4: Although I would love if there are thirty five million

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Speaker 4: people in America roughly right now who have zero opinion

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Speaker 4: of Donald Trump. I'm actually fascinated by that, more so

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Speaker 4: almost than the people who love and hate them. Like

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Speaker 4: you've watched the Trump train, the Trump experience for eight

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Speaker 4: years now and you still have no real opinion. I mean,

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Speaker 4: more power to you, I guess. I bet a lot

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Speaker 4: of these people are just so busy they're not paying attention.

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Speaker 4: Most judges certainly have strong opinions one way.

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Speaker 1: Or the other.

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Speaker 4: And in our social media era, Buck, it's so easy

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Speaker 4: to find out everybody's opinions because people are constantly sharing

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Speaker 4: those opinions that otherwise might not have been public. But

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Speaker 4: Chuck can that Like, I don't understand how she's allowed

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Speaker 4: basically said that Donald Trump fomented an insurrection in some

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Speaker 4: of the punishments that she has put forward for the.

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Speaker 1: January sixth defendants.

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Speaker 4: Once you have made that public pronouncement from the bench,

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Speaker 4: I don't see how you haven't clearly established that you're

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Speaker 4: biased against Trump. To me, she should not be on

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Speaker 4: this case. But as we've talked about and I think

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Speaker 4: we've talked about it off air. Judges have egos. Judges

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Speaker 4: are a judge, what do you basically believe that you

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Speaker 4: have impeccable judgment? What you are essentially saying is that's

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Speaker 1: That's my skill.

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Speaker 4: So if you have them say yeah, I shouldn't get

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Speaker 4: seeing that as an attack upon the very foundational ability

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Speaker 4: first place. So I don't think it's a coincidence that

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Speaker 4: no judge has said, yeah, you know what, I'm conflicted

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't be in this case.

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Speaker 4: But unfortunately, I think this is going to become a

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Speaker 4: people need to prepare themselves for this. Everybody's focused on

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Speaker 4: what is the impact of the trial going to be.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually right now more focused on are they going

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Speaker 4: to hold Trump in contempt for what he says about

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Speaker 4: what I believe are contemptible charges being brought against him,

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Speaker 4: which is big because we're in the middle of a

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Speaker 4: presidential election. You can't distinguish between the political and the

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Speaker 4: legal right now, and so when they try to clamp

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Speaker 4: they are actually directly attacking his political process as well.

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Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, once we turn into twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: Jack Smith is going to try to keep Trump from

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Speaker 4: try to even put him in prison over what he

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Speaker 1: But this is part of why I've said, do you

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Speaker 1: think there's any chance they'll put Trump in a cell?

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Speaker 1: Maybe they won't put him in a cell for a

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Speaker 4: Buck here's the question that nobody seems to answer We've

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Speaker 4: If we presume that this Jack Smith trial is going

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Speaker 4: But these are the kinds of questions that Democrats have

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Speaker 4: every day that we get closer to that trial beginning,

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Speaker 4: presuming that it happens in March, and I still have

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Speaker 4: but I think that's right now. The new York City

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Speaker 4: case is is scheduled first, right Buck, But I think

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Speaker 4: that Alvin Bragg will step out of the way for

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Speaker 4: I just told you off air that they've already managed

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Speaker 1: They will. This is what I've been saying all along.

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Speaker 1: What if you had a normal judge that cared about

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Speaker 1: would be a much greater likelihood that Trump would be

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Speaker 1: the lines of the election really determining everything because he'd

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Speaker 1: be able to delay. This judge is not allowing that delay,

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Speaker 6: Play Travis and buck Sexton on the front Lines of Truth.

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Speaker 4: Welcome Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I wanted to mention this.

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Speaker 4: We've talked about polling, and I understand people get nervous

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Speaker 4: In twenty nineteen, so October of twenty nineteen, Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: He was not yet the nominee. But you get the idea.

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Speaker 4: Today, exact same day, four years later, Trump is up

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Speaker 1: I shared it.

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Speaker 4: You can go look at it on my Twitter feed

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Speaker 4: if you are somewhat curious about that. Also, Trump was

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Speaker 4: Here's what he said.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people of things about me about see

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Speaker 2: A lot of people have asked me about it. I'm focused,

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Speaker 1: Believe by fifty the president. My focus is touddly in

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Speaker 2: It in the process, I would do it.

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Speaker 1: But there's some great people.

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Speaker 2: Of the Republican Viarty that could do a great job

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Speaker 4: So that's Trump responding on the speaker issue, Buck, I

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Speaker 4: We basically adopted the idea that it's racist to put

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Speaker 4: Guys been arrested sixty six times fuck in Chattanooga several

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Speaker 4: Again, an average of eleven times in DC double digit

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Speaker 4: is that violent crime is not committed evenly. We've talked

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Speaker 4: about this on the show before. It's like you can't

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Speaker 4: even mention it because people are afraid. Oh my god,

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Speaker 4: it's racist to share facts. No, black men represent six

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Speaker 4: percent of the United States population. Black men commit over

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Speaker 4: half of all murders. Most of their victims are black men.

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Speaker 4: Six percent of the population is committing over half of

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Speaker 4: the murders. We know that, we know when murders are occurring.

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Speaker 4: That's a reliable criminal data point. Are you not allowed

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Speaker 4: to point that out? Should we not arrest murderers? Black

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Speaker 4: men commit wildly disproportionate acts of violent crime. It isn't

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Speaker 4: racist anymore than it is sexist. To arrest men. And

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Speaker 4: that's why I always come back to this argument because

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Speaker 4: it really floors everybody. Women don't get arrested for violent

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Speaker 4: crimes because they don't commit very many violent crimes. It's

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Speaker 4: not sexist that ninety five percent of people arrested for

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Speaker 4: violent violent crime or men. Black men create wildly out

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Speaker 4: of proportion of their population more violent crime than you

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Speaker 4: would expect. They represent six percent of the American population.

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Speaker 4: They commit over half of all murders. It's not racist

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Speaker 4: to point that out, but it's like you're not even

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Speaker 4: allowed to say it. If you're going to address acts

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Speaker 4: of violent crime. Black men are going to be disproportionately

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Speaker 4: arrested because they commit disproportionate amounts of violent crime.

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Speaker 1: That's not racism. This led to a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Soros prosecutor mentality and the narrative of mass incarceration and

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Speaker 1: defund and even abolish police. They look at these numbers

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Speaker 1: and they say, you know, the DC prison system, for example,

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Speaker 1: the New York City prison system is about ninety percent black.

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Speaker 1: The inmates on any given day are about ninety percent black.

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Speaker 1: And they look at this and they say, that is

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Speaker 1: the product of a racist system, and the only way

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Speaker 1: they felt they could deal with that, or they thought

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Speaker 1: the best way to deal with that was to just

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Speaker 1: have fewer people in general held in prisons. And one

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Speaker 1: of the best examples of how this works out in

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Speaker 1: practice is that you have in a place like Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: Larry Krasner the DA There. They talk a lot about

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Speaker 1: gun violence and the need to get illegal guns off

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Speaker 1: the streets, but in something like half of illegal handgun

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Speaker 1: possession cases in Philadelphia, they dismissed the charges. So they're saying,

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Speaker 1: we need to stop the guns, we need to stop

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Speaker 1: gun violence. But the most likely pathway to achieving some

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Speaker 1: kind of reduction in gun violence would be when somebody,

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Speaker 1: especially they're a gang member, they have a previous criminal record.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these were felons play in possession of

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Speaker 1: a fire, which is an additional statutory violation. I think

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Speaker 1: it's actually federal. At that point, they dismissed these charges,

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Speaker 1: and then they tell us, oh, we didn't have the

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Speaker 1: highest murder rate in Philadelphia I think in the city's

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Speaker 1: history last year, or maybe it was the year before,

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Speaker 1: because of bad policy. They were saying it was because

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Speaker 1: of COVID. Does everyone remember that, Yeah, that was what

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Speaker 1: the left wing intelligentsia were promoting. It was COVID.

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Speaker 4: The other point I think needs to be made here

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Speaker 4: at Buck is there's a lot of focus, Oh, we're

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Speaker 4: over penalizing people. These are nonviolent offenses. A lot of

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Speaker 4: people are charged with eight different crimes or nine different crimes,

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Speaker 4: and they then will plea it all the way down

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Speaker 4: to a lesser charge. If you're in jail for trespassing

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Speaker 4: or you are convicted of some sort of and I'm

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Speaker 4: just using that as an example of a lower level

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Speaker 4: misdemeanor offense, it doesn't mean that you are nonviolent. It

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Speaker 4: might well be the case that your district attorney was

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Speaker 4: able to get that lowered because the idea is your

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Speaker 4: public defender. The district attorney was willing to lower it

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Speaker 4: because they're not trying to put people behind bars. So

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Speaker 4: this whole argument of well a lot of this is

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Speaker 4: non violent in nature, No it isn't. And the other

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Speaker 4: thing we should point out too is when you talk

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Speaker 4: about who's doing a crime. I said six percent of

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Speaker 4: the population's black, and they do commit over half of

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Speaker 4: all murders. That's a factual reality, but the vast majority

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Speaker 4: of that six percent is innocent and law abiding. It's

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Speaker 4: a tiny pen prick of that six percent that's actually

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Speaker 4: committing the crimes. There's almost no one over the age,

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Speaker 4: for instance, of fifty that commits an act of violent crime.

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Speaker 4: As a percentage of the population, it's almost sixteen to

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Speaker 4: forty year old men across the board, and it's a

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Speaker 4: tiny pinprick of those guys too.

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Speaker 1: So the people who are the victims here.

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Speaker 4: Of black violence are black violence. But the only time

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Speaker 4: we care about black violence in this nation is when

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Speaker 4: a white person is involved in committing an act of

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Speaker 4: violence against a black person. The media comes and they

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Speaker 4: cover it. Black guys shooting another black guy doesn't get

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Speaker 4: an ounce of attention, so we're not actually going and

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Speaker 4: solving the root cause of violence when the media is

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Speaker 4: focused on a tiny pinprick of violence. If I wish

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Speaker 4: we eliminate every act of cross racial violence in America,

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Speaker 4: if we did, only seven percent of black murders would

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Speaker 4: go away, because ninety three percent of the time, the

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Speaker 4: murder of a black person is another black person. So

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Speaker 4: we're not even talking about the biggest issues of crime

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Speaker 4: because a lot of woke white people have decided it's

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Speaker 4: racist to even recognize what's going on and the unfortunately

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Speaker 4: buck the people who end up losing out are often

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Speaker 4: poor and black who end up the victims of all

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Speaker 1: It's like you're not even allowed to say it. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: What you got for us?

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, I guess just you know, every dictatorship putting

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Speaker 7: their opponent in prison. And then my other question is

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Speaker 7: there no judge in this country that could basically do

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Speaker 3: Tell people that this.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the call. The question is who reviews the judge?

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Speaker 4: Right, there will be multiple appeals that are filed in

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Speaker 4: any Trump related case, and there may well be appeals

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Speaker 4: There will be tons of motioning. This thing's not going

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Speaker 4: to play itself out for sure for years We'll be

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Speaker 4: talking about the Trump related legal issues. But Buck, the

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Speaker 4: challenge is in the short term, what is the time

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Speaker 4: frame under which we are going to have resolution before November?

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Speaker 4: Democrats want to say that Trump is a convicted felon.

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Speaker 1: That is their goal.

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Speaker 4: Their best opportunity to do that is with the case

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Speaker 4: it appears in Washington, d C. With Jack Smith that

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Speaker 4: I've said, I think one, if I were setting the

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Speaker 4: over under, is going to be completed by the time

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Speaker 4: we get to the trial. I think that one is

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Speaker 4: the one that I would put on the over under.

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Speaker 4: I don't think the other cases are going to be resolved,

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Speaker 4: but the polling reflects that there would be an impact

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Speaker 4: if Trump is found guilty and in terms of how

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Speaker 4: independent voters would respond, and that's the game plan.

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Speaker 1: I think that it's very likely what we've seen so

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Speaker 1: far would continue, which is, as these trials play out,

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Speaker 1: and as the sense that Trump is unfairly targeted continues

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Speaker 1: to grow, there will be more and more people who

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Speaker 1: view this as effectively a statement that they have to make,

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Speaker 1: and that is what their vote becomes, a rejection of

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Speaker 1: this kind of soft stalinism with the show trials. You know,

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Speaker 1: it feels like the American version of show trials for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. That's that's what I see this as. And

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Speaker 1: I think that they've done I don't like to use

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Speaker 1: the term irreparable, but I do think they may have

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Speaker 1: done a reparable damage to faith in the judiciary system

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Speaker 1: as a result of this. So yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 1: the concern. Let's take Jim in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 7: What's going on, Jim crime ridden Saint Louis?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Yeah, uh, you know what.

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Speaker 5: McCarthy, you know, he's he's part of the old Guard.

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Speaker 5: And people keep bringing up the percentage of the vote

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Speaker 5: that you know, kind of OUs to them. Okay, that's

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Speaker 5: a very good point. But the other percentage are the

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Speaker 5: voters out here. Trump's supporters and conservatives in this country

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Speaker 5: do not like McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: Well, do you understand Trump supported McCarthy right, He wanted

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Speaker 4: McCarthy to be Speaker of.

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Speaker 1: The House to a certain extent. No, he said, I.

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Speaker 4: Want McCarthy to be Speaker of the House. I mean

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Speaker 4: he endorsed Kevin McCarthy's speaker. And that's one of the

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Speaker 4: reasons that Kevin McCarthy ended up Speaker of the House. So, look,

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Speaker 4: you cannot like Kevin McCarthy, But the idea that Trump

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Speaker 4: didn't like Kevin McCarthy is not true. Trump wanted Kevin

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Speaker 4: McCarthy to be a Speaker of the House. I think

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Speaker 4: Trump is going to endorse Jim Jordan before all is

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Speaker 4: said and done. Right now, Steve Scalise and Jim Jordan

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that plays out.

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Speaker 4: But ninety six percent of people in the Republican Caucus

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Speaker 4: thought that McCarthy was doing a good job and wanted

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Speaker 4: to keep him. Four percent of people did not. The

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Speaker 4: four percent one that's the reality, and we'll see whether

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Speaker 4: those same rules are going to govern for whomever the

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Speaker 4: next speaker is, because it doesn't get very many people

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Speaker 4: being unhappy to remove you from office.

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Speaker 1: As we just saw a lot more coming up your way.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit more about the migrants and

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Speaker 1: much more stick around for more clay and buck