WEBVTT - Halloween Fiction Special: It Bleeds, It Burrows, It Breaks the Bone

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Your podcast or what um feels like the End Times. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a different podcast. Well, welcome to Cool People Who

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<v Speaker 1>Did Cool Stuff. I'm your host, Margaret Killjoy, and every

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<v Speaker 1>week I bring you a story about cool people in history.

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<v Speaker 1>Except today. Sophie. Did you know that today is the

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<v Speaker 1>extra special Halloween Fiction Special? Um? I did because I

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<v Speaker 1>asked you to do it right. This we Today's episode

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<v Speaker 1>is so special. It's a special twice, the extra special

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween Fiction Special. It is definitely not a filler episode

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<v Speaker 1>because we ran a three parter, but but it is

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<v Speaker 1>special special, that's what you're saying. Yes, it's extra special cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And today I have an extra special guest, So if

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<v Speaker 1>you do you want a guest who guests guests? Who

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<v Speaker 1>it is? I kind of kind of blue that one.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a filler episode. I'm pretty sure it's sucking me.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we have the Webby Award winning Sophie lift Him

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<v Speaker 1>and On as our guest. Sophie, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>You really love to introduce me like that. It's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well. It's Halloween. Anderson looks great in her

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween costumes. I have a bunch of candy that probably

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<v Speaker 1>no kids are going to take, but I will leave

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<v Speaker 1>it out for them. Anyways, How are you, Margaret, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>It has just occurred to me that there is a small,

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<v Speaker 1>a close to zero but non zero chance that some

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood kid it's going to walk up the long gravel

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<v Speaker 1>driveway to my house. I hope that doesn't happen. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you'll know because we're in troub will inform

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<v Speaker 1>you and then you can just hide. Oh that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good point. Yeah, that's a good point. Or I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>them like a can of soup, I mean, honestly dried,

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<v Speaker 1>the weirdest thing kids have probably gotten on Halloween ammunition.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Los Angeles and you would and

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<v Speaker 1>you would go to a house and they'd like give

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<v Speaker 1>you like a toothrush or something, so or they'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>here's our sugar free, gluten free soulless. Yeah, they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't believe in candy in this household. Here is

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<v Speaker 1>this thing that you definitely do not want seven year

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<v Speaker 1>old meat, but um, go off. So, I mean a

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<v Speaker 1>can of soup sounds lovely compared to that. Yeah, I could.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them are fruit I have, like canned fruit

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<v Speaker 1>that's sugary, sugary. There you go, you've you've done it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was there was there was a year that this

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<v Speaker 1>person like ran out of candy and then they just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like giving people like touching with their hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I have like a very bad memory of it. They

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<v Speaker 1>would like handfuls of like cereal they had in their house,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't even like like a solid like sugar cereal.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like the kind that you're is. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like the kind that you were like, mom, how dare

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<v Speaker 1>you buy this? Oh? Like the ones that are basically

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<v Speaker 1>granola or whatever. No, it was like it was like

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<v Speaker 1>it was like you were eating like bark, like tree bark.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that bad um. And they were like, I

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<v Speaker 1>ran out of candy. Here's some tree bark that I've

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<v Speaker 1>touched with my hand. So all I'm saying is soup

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<v Speaker 1>not bad, canned fruit not bad. Somebody's old not delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>Cereal that they've touched with their hand very bad. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>good to know a couple of rounds of two, two

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<v Speaker 1>three or a can of soup people can pick. There

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<v Speaker 1>you go, solid option. Yeah, and then the cops will.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be like, oh, look, you have a nice outfit,

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<v Speaker 1>you're dressed up like the police. And then then it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually them. Then Halloween's really scary, I know, just like

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<v Speaker 1>the Frankenstein's Monster came to the door earlier, where I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was a costume, um and it wasn't a costume. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that happens, well, Sophie. Today is okay, it's Halloween for us,

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<v Speaker 1>but for everyone else it's two days after Halloween, which

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<v Speaker 1>is even spookier. And so I was thinking, I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't I read us a ghost story? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I would love that, because I've asked you to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you know, well, fortunately for you, both the

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<v Speaker 1>you in the singular Sophie Lichtman, Today's guest and the

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<v Speaker 1>greater you plural, which is the original reason for the

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<v Speaker 1>words yeah and for for use for y'all. Fortunately for you,

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<v Speaker 1>I have written such a story. And I'm even on

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<v Speaker 1>tour right now temporarily at my house, reading people stories

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<v Speaker 1>from my book of stories called we Won't Be Here Tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Is that published by one a K Press?

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<v Speaker 1>And can people buy it? It? Is? It is available?

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want to hear a story from it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm going to read today. I love that

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret was in town for her work tour and she

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<v Speaker 1>read another story about a witch that was also really amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I'm just going to plug that. So you

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<v Speaker 1>should buy Margaret's books so you can read that story

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So it was really good spooky stories. Usually

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<v Speaker 1>I basically just protagonize all the witches and such. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you were reading the witch story and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Markers, is this about you? This is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about you? Right, it's not not? And then

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<v Speaker 1>you were in the middle of Reagan. Do you won't. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess this is kind of a little bit about me.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. My favorite thing about going on this

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<v Speaker 1>tour is like realizing what's um the weird subtext of

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<v Speaker 1>all of these stories. You're like, oh, who did that? Okay? Yeah, yeah, okay. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to read this story and you can feel

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<v Speaker 1>free to to interrupt as you as you wish. This story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called it bleeds, it burrows, it breaks the bone.

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<v Speaker 1>The land was beautiful, though the house was not. The

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<v Speaker 1>house was as decrepit as only a house made in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties could be carpet paint and mold, too big,

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<v Speaker 1>too empty. Sarah nails herself was as decrepit as only

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<v Speaker 1>a girl made in the eighties could be skin teeth

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<v Speaker 1>and aches, too small, too empty. The land was an

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<v Speaker 1>endless field of snow with pines like iron bars, pines

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<v Speaker 1>like a cage. Twenty minutes to a neighbor, an hour

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<v Speaker 1>to a store, three twist city. That was Minnesota. The

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<v Speaker 1>Feds might not find her in Minnesota. They might not

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<v Speaker 1>break her, They might not bind her. They might not

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<v Speaker 1>throw her into a prison full of men. Trans girls, arsonists.

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<v Speaker 1>They belong in prisons full of men. Sarah watched the

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<v Speaker 1>roads of the window, the one over the desk, the

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<v Speaker 1>one framed in spiderwebs and dead flies. Nothing ever came

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<v Speaker 1>up that road, nothing but Darnell once a week with groceries.

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<v Speaker 1>It bleeds. The walls of the house said, not now, Josephine,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah whispered, you just when her grocery still all bleeding.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, Okay, we're grocery shopping, got it.

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<v Speaker 1>What did we buy? The walls are bleeding? Continue enjoying, Yeah, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>not now, Josephine, Sarah whispered, it burrows. The walls said louder,

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<v Speaker 1>now more insistent. Please not now, it bleeds, it burrows,

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<v Speaker 1>it breaks the bone. Sarah put her hands to her face,

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<v Speaker 1>holding back tears. Not now, later, the house said, when

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<v Speaker 1>you sleep, when you dream, when it bleeds, when it breaks. Yes, Josephine,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk tonight. I look forward to it, the house said, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>in her despair, did too. The bedroom faced west, and

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<v Speaker 1>the setting sun cut in through the window, onto the

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<v Speaker 1>bed and onto Sarah. No blankets, just sheets and a

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<v Speaker 1>cranked up thermostat. It wasn't even four thirty, a few

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<v Speaker 1>days from midwinter, the sun scarcely bothered to rise at all.

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<v Speaker 1>A poster hung from a single thumb tack, lost among

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<v Speaker 1>decades old show fliers and political screeds. In photocopied high contrast,

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<v Speaker 1>three punk women with nineties hair, posed with guitars under it.

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<v Speaker 1>Cursive script read we don't have to win, we just

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<v Speaker 1>have to survive. Sarah had always wanted to win her

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<v Speaker 1>whole life. She'd set that compound in Virginia on fire

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<v Speaker 1>in order to win. She had killed two neo Nazis

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<v Speaker 1>with a little more than a gas can and a

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen timer. She'd wrecked thousands of hours of their planning,

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<v Speaker 1>plodding a million dollar arsenal. Gutted and twisted by flame,

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie that the thing about killing Nazis is that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a net gain of human life. The other thing about

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<v Speaker 1>killing Nazis is that, for some indiscernible reason it's illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it is. It probably because a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them are making up the laws and enforcing the laws. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that that probably the the Nazi um what's it called

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<v Speaker 1>when people tell lawmakers my brain doesn't work. It's Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nazi lobby very powerful. I'm saying that if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being sarcastic, but now I think you're actually just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of right. Friends within her movement found friends within an

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<v Speaker 1>allied movement who found friends within a third movement, and

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<v Speaker 1>those friends hit her in Minnesota. The people who were

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<v Speaker 1>hiding her didn't know why they were hiding her. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to know, which is what friends of friends

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<v Speaker 1>of friends are for. They hired someone to look after her,

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<v Speaker 1>to show up once every couple of weeks with food

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<v Speaker 1>and hormones and whatever she needed, and that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>That was her life, now, hiding, running Minnesota under the posters.

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<v Speaker 1>In the bedroom sat a chair, an ugly chair, steel

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<v Speaker 1>legged and upholstered, with cracked vinyl on the chair, her notebook,

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing but Tally's in that notebook, days twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 1>reduced to a single Tally. Her life was reduced to

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<v Speaker 1>the passage of time. Now, Sarah, the house asked, now

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<v Speaker 1>is fine? Josephine said, The ghost appeared in the doorway.

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<v Speaker 1>She was hazy, only distinct wherever Sarah focused her attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah had read the news reports almost twenty years back.

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<v Speaker 1>Josephine Declare had disappeared at age thirty nine, presumed dead

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<v Speaker 1>of exposure somewhere in the pines. Search teams hadn't tried

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<v Speaker 1>very long, and they never found a body, survived only

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<v Speaker 1>by an aunt and a cousin. The haunted sins died.

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<v Speaker 1>The cousin and environmentalist inherited the house and donated it

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<v Speaker 1>to the movement. Sarah wasn't the first person who had

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<v Speaker 1>been on the run at Josephine Declaire's house. Now, Sophie,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are stuck at a house in Minnesota and

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<v Speaker 1>you needed something to eat, what do you think what

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<v Speaker 1>would keep you going through those cold Winter Nights. Potatoes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Sophie, potatoes. Potatoes. If you, dear listener, are

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<v Speaker 1>on the run for murdering Nazis and I know at

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<v Speaker 1>least of you are, Potatoes are your best friend, except

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<v Speaker 1>for the fact that you can't eat them roll. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the single biggest down to side the potatoes, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why we're also sponsored by ovens. Mm hmm. Eating

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<v Speaker 1>food before you eat it. The concept of ovens like

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<v Speaker 1>energy efficient ovens, m and like not just being someone

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<v Speaker 1>who eats cold chili out of a can, but someone

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<v Speaker 1>who eats warm chili out of a can. You can

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<v Speaker 1>you can make your life that much better by heating

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<v Speaker 1>your food before you eat it. I mean, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>solid point. It's like getting your mattress off the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an important step in the development of a person.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you saying it's time for an advert? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening here? Yes? Ah? And we are back from

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<v Speaker 1>those ads and the pines aren't angry, Josephine said from

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<v Speaker 1>the doorway. Straight black hair framed her beautiful face. She

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<v Speaker 1>had crow's feet and green eyes that were always wet

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<v Speaker 1>with tears, and she had the smallest mouth a doll's

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<v Speaker 1>mouth a mouth, Sarah longed to kiss what. They're not angry,

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<v Speaker 1>They're just disappointed, Sarah asked, trying and failing to get

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<v Speaker 1>herself for the ghost to laugh. They're just passionate, Josephine said.

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<v Speaker 1>They suffer, are they sorrow? But they do not speak.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tired of riddles, Sarah said, tell me a story.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about yourself, tell me how you lived, how

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<v Speaker 1>you died. You think I'm not real, Sarah nails. You

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm in your head. I can't tell you about

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<v Speaker 1>myself because you wouldn't believe me. Then why can't I

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<v Speaker 1>see you? Two years is a long time to be

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<v Speaker 1>by yourself, Josephine said, it isn't. It isn't. Sarah, on

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<v Speaker 1>the bed, started to cry a little. I wish you

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<v Speaker 1>could hold me, she said, I wish I could too.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about the pines. Then tell me about this passion.

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<v Speaker 1>It bleeds, Josephine said, her countenance wavering in the last

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<v Speaker 1>light of the day. It burrows, it breaks the bone.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the hard part about dating a ghost, Sophie. Right

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<v Speaker 1>when you said it burrows, and then you did that pause, Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the lights in my studio flickered and one out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, okay, okay, I'm just saying the vibe,

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<v Speaker 1>the vibe is there. Yea. Yeah. And we had actually

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<v Speaker 1>a different guest on, but something mysterious happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the first to take at trying to record

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<v Speaker 1>this and for legal reasons we can't discuss, but hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>that won't happen to Sophie. Yeah, I mean the lights

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<v Speaker 1>are flickering. We don't know. Yeah, this is not a bit.

0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.200
<v Speaker 1>The lights are actually flickering. My part is a bit,

0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:28.520
<v Speaker 1>but Sophie's part is not a bit. It'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not worried. Yeah. People ask my Halloween plans and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I've been on tour. My Halloween plans

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<v Speaker 1>is to sit in my spooky house in the woods

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<v Speaker 1>by myself watch movies. I know you deserve that so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited replacing driving time with sleeping, which it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out if you do while you're on tour, if

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<v Speaker 1>you replace the time that you're driving with sleeping, um,

0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:59.360
<v Speaker 1>you crash. Yeah. This is really fun and clever to

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<v Speaker 1>interrupt my own story like this. Yeah, I'm like, Margaret,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going on a tangent. It's your own story. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Sarah didn't even bother trying to sleep at

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<v Speaker 1>night anymore. Whenever she slept at night, she dreamt of

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<v Speaker 1>police raids, different every time, but every time she was

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<v Speaker 1>dragged away in handcuffs, or shot in the back as

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<v Speaker 1>she ran, or shot in the front as she fought,

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<v Speaker 1>or subject to things worse than violence. So she was awake,

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in the cold vinyl and steel chair reading trashy

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<v Speaker 1>romance when the wolves came, the same pack of seven,

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<v Speaker 1>two parents and their children. They circled the house counterclockwise, silent,

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<v Speaker 1>ten nights in a row, and they were always silent.

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<v Speaker 1>She put down the book and went to the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>Darnell before she moved to the house in the Pine,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah hadn't held a landline in ten years at least yep,

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<v Speaker 1>A voice said on the other end of the line,

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<v Speaker 1>distant and tinny. He was talking to her by speaker phone,

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<v Speaker 1>like always, can you come a few days early? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>running low? Damn girl, did you eat ten days of

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<v Speaker 1>food and five? Darnell always accented the word girl when

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<v Speaker 1>he was talking to her about her A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>siss people did that. It was sweet and it was irritating,

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<v Speaker 1>an equal measure, like Darnell himself. I gave it to

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<v Speaker 1>the wolves, Sarah said, mumbling, you did what I They

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<v Speaker 1>were hungry. They're outside my house. They howl like the wind,

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<v Speaker 1>and they pad and they plod, and they were hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, yeah, Darnell said, yeah, sure, can you bring

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<v Speaker 1>extra meat anything, A couple of pounds at least. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure this mental health sabbatical is doing you good.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to me, the house said not now, Sarah said,

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<v Speaker 1>company is coming. We'll talk tonight. Listen to me. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah nails what. She put down her quilty and turned

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<v Speaker 1>her attention from the snow falling outside. Josephine wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 1>She could talk anywhere in the house, but she usually

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<v Speaker 1>only appeared in the bedroom only to watch Sarah she slept,

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<v Speaker 1>and as she didn't sleep, it's why Sarah slept in

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<v Speaker 1>that room under the house. A tunnel at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the tunnel, a path beyond the path, a lake

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<v Speaker 1>on the lake, a boat across the lake, a bike.

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<v Speaker 1>A bike lays open the world. There's no tunnel, Josephine.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been over every into this house. Under the house

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<v Speaker 1>a tunnel. You're not real remember under the house a tunnel.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the tunnel a path. Who built

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<v Speaker 1>the tunnel? Huh? The gods of the pines? Are they?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is burrowing? Bleeding? You have company coming, the house

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<v Speaker 1>said and grew quiet. Sarah turned back to the window

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<v Speaker 1>and watched the truck come out from the trees, crawling

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<v Speaker 1>through snow and ice and four wheel drive. The truck

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<v Speaker 1>stopped just outside, and Darnell stepped out with a heavy

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<v Speaker 1>bag of groceries under each arm. He told you would

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<v Speaker 1>come back to groceries. I'm really glad we're full circling. Yeah,

0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you wouldn't have enough food otherwise. Anyway, did

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<v Speaker 1>she buy potatoes? You know? I I assume she's a

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<v Speaker 1>smart character? Okay, so definitely, yeah, even like it. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't even be written into the main text. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>just assumed. Got it, got it? Got it? Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>all Sarah watching through the window, and his smile crept

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<v Speaker 1>up into his eyes. He obviously thought she was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>He was probably right whatever, but it was just as

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<v Speaker 1>obvious he liked her anyway. She went to the door

0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.600
<v Speaker 1>to let him in. He stomped his big brown boots

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<v Speaker 1>on the mat, then strode inside. You've got to let

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<v Speaker 1>me get a couple of guys out here. Fix his

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<v Speaker 1>place up, Darnell said. He went into the kitchen sat

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<v Speaker 1>at the table while Sarah put the food away, like

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<v Speaker 1>he did every time he came, her only living contact

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<v Speaker 1>two years. Look at this floor, the linoleum. I mean,

0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:46.600
<v Speaker 1>it's coming up anyway, and it's linoleum. It's a shame

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<v Speaker 1>the old house has gone. You know, a rum runner

0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.119
<v Speaker 1>house had to have a good wooden floor. As Sarah

0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.879
<v Speaker 1>had heard it, the old house had burned down in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies before the current monstrosity was built. Before Josephine

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<v Speaker 1>had lived here, bootlegs had used it on their way

0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:06.000
<v Speaker 1>across the border more fugitives. He kicked at the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>I know a guy can get his lamb in it

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cheap. I don't own the place, Sarah said, And besides,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just here, so you're feeling better. Darnell cut in, Yeah,

0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.800
<v Speaker 1>but for how long nails. Even when she's temporary, you

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<v Speaker 1>got to make the most of it. Don't be afraid

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<v Speaker 1>to settle in. Don't be living life like you're on

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<v Speaker 1>the run. That's what my dad says. Your dad left

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<v Speaker 1>you when you were ten? Yeah, dark joke. Magpie also

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<v Speaker 1>the most consistent laugh out of an audience when I

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<v Speaker 1>do this, when I read this at an event, different

0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.360
<v Speaker 1>lines get different jokes, But that is apparently the funniest

0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:47.000
<v Speaker 1>line in the story. Will you tell it an audience?

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:51.960
<v Speaker 1>You can see Magpie space. She knows, she knows that shade,

0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:56.359
<v Speaker 1>and so she makes this space like it's really funny.

0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm being slighter. I really like it, just like that

0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.200
<v Speaker 1>slight shade where it's like, I know I'm being an asshole.

0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.399
<v Speaker 1>Your dad left when you were ten, Yeah, but he

0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:16.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't afraid to settle in before he skipped down. If

0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.679
<v Speaker 1>Sarah liked men, she would have liked Darnell. He was handsome, smart,

0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:25.159
<v Speaker 1>never condescending, self educated, alive. She'd take a dead woman

0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:28.040
<v Speaker 1>over a living man, which wasn't fair to any of

0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the three parties involved. Hey, so I got you something

0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:38.199
<v Speaker 1>for Christmas, Darnell, said Solstice. Sarah corrected, sure, pagan Christmas. Whatever.

0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.480
<v Speaker 1>He reached into his pocket, pulled out a compass, said

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<v Speaker 1>on the table, it's not much right, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading about the lady who lived here. How she just

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<v Speaker 1>disappeared in the snow one day. And I grew up

0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:50.359
<v Speaker 1>not too far from here. And I don't go in

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<v Speaker 1>much for woo woo ship. But the land here is cruel,

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<v Speaker 1>just passionate. What did you call it? Sarah asked, sitting

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<v Speaker 1>down a jar of pickles, trying not to look at

0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.360
<v Speaker 1>startled as she was. The land don't care about us.

0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.080
<v Speaker 1>So first I thought I'd get you a gun, but

0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't really afford it, and besides it might be

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<v Speaker 1>a bad idea for reasons and mental health stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, get you a compass. You ever lost, pick

0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:17.960
<v Speaker 1>a direction and stick with it, doesn't matter the direction.

0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Dad teach you that too. Yeah, and he's a piece

0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:26.560
<v Speaker 1>of ship, sure, but he's right sometimes just fully saying

0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:32.320
<v Speaker 1>fuck that Dad. Yeah, not the best dad in any

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<v Speaker 1>of these stories. Thank you, Sarah said. She picked up

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<v Speaker 1>the compass. It was solid, came with a hard plastic

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<v Speaker 1>folding lid. She slipped it into her pocket. I have

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<v Speaker 1>something for you, too, Sarah said. She went to the

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<v Speaker 1>living room picked up the quilt. She tied off a

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<v Speaker 1>final thread and cut it. Yeah, she heard from the kitchen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be in town later. Tonight or tomorrow. Yeah, something

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<v Speaker 1>came up. No, it's not a big deal. I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 1>He was on the phone. Sarah walked back into the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 1>clutching the quilt to her chest. Yeah, hey, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to go. He hung up, put the phone on the table.

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:14.720
<v Speaker 1>She stared at the phone. He stared at her. Oh ship, sorry, nails,

0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:20.480
<v Speaker 1>no cell phones, Sarah said, I know. I'm sorry. Here, look,

0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm turning it off now. It might be too late.

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<v Speaker 1>They might know where I am. You've got to go.

0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.760
<v Speaker 1>If you're worried, let me stay over. I'll keep you safe. No,

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<v Speaker 1>no sleeping over. You are friend zoned. Friends get quilt,

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<v Speaker 1>so don't complain. Now leave, Leave. She thrust the quilt

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<v Speaker 1>into his hands. This is this is amazing nails. I'm

0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna use. I'm going to use that. You are a

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<v Speaker 1>friend zone. Friends get quilt, so don't complain. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>it took a long time, and I'm glad you like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now go. He cast a long look over his shoulder

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<v Speaker 1>on his way out the door. It was obvious he

0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.119
<v Speaker 1>was worried about her. That may sense She was worried

0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:05.200
<v Speaker 1>about herself too, but not weird enough to share her

0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:10.920
<v Speaker 1>bed with you respectfully. You are in the friend zone

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:16.360
<v Speaker 1>and you are not coming out. Yeah, yeah, exactly, everyone

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:21.280
<v Speaker 1>knows and it's fine. I actually I really consciously I

0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.439
<v Speaker 1>was like, I want to write a like sweet story

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<v Speaker 1>where like the person in the friend zone is just

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:30.399
<v Speaker 1>chill with it's just like, yeah, that's that's that's our relationship.

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.360
<v Speaker 1>It's fine, you know, because I feel like that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>most of my experiences of of putting people in this

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<v Speaker 1>terrible zone that is people are like, oh, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>zone where I got a quilt. Okay, like whatever that

0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:48.240
<v Speaker 1>has that has not been my experience, but your healthier relationships. Yeah,

0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I I try to write, um, it's utopian. The stories

0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that utopia. Yeah, I'm like that that that you know

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<v Speaker 1>who you are. That did not happen, that was there

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<v Speaker 1>was no chill quilt situation. Oh did they at least

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<v Speaker 1>not get a quilt out of it? There was no

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:07.879
<v Speaker 1>QUI that's great. I'm glad they got nothing out of

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>it if they weren't going to handle that. Yeah, today's

0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 1>subtweeted episode little Personal, Sophie calmed down back to the

0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 1>story please, Yeah, speaking of personal, the first time Sarah

0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:26.680
<v Speaker 1>met Josephine was a summer night, not a week after

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<v Speaker 1>the arson, while Sarah slept on her back in the

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<v Speaker 1>bed in the house in the Pines. In her dream,

0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Josephine had been sitting on the ugly chair, gazing out

0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:39.920
<v Speaker 1>the window, a bottle of pills balanced precarious on the sill.

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:45.439
<v Speaker 1>Josephine had been crying maniacal hysterical laughter, sobs that shook

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the house, that shook the bed, that woke Sarah up.

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<v Speaker 1>When Sarah woke up, and the pills were gone because

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:58.560
<v Speaker 1>they were the dream, but Josephine was still there, still ghostly. Hello,

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Sarah asked. He was too scared to be scared. What's

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 1>your name, Josephine asked, Sarah Nails. I'm sorry I'm in

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>your house. I'm not Sarah Nails. I'm glad you're here.

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 1>You're something new to look at, something beautiful, like the land,

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>like the snow, like blood, like the birds, moth, dear

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 1>death moon. Tell me something about yourself, Sarah said, I'm dead,

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Josephine said, besides that, I'm lonely, me too, Josephine. Sarah

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 1>had never seen ghosts, not once in her life. She

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 1>hadn't believed in them, and she hadn't disbelieved in them.

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Most interesting was to realize she wasn't afraid of them.

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 1>The things she was afraid of were far worse than

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:45.439
<v Speaker 1>a dead woman. Will you come into bed with me?

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:49.959
<v Speaker 1>Sarah asked, I can't. Josephine said, I can't touch you.

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Josephine stared for a long moment, her eyes glistening with life.

0:25:54.680 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I can watch though, that will do mm hmm okay,

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 1>And you know who else will watch you while you sleep? Yeah?

0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:18.119
<v Speaker 1>The security systems that we advert Yeah, probably to be honest. Yeah. Well, oh, Sophia,

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I bet you didn't know this. But every week we

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 1>asked our guest if there's something positive that they would

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:26.399
<v Speaker 1>like to be sponsored by. Yeah, first time hearing about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Super interesting? Are you asking me what I'd like to

0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 1>be sponsored by? You are the only guest now that

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the other one is from this realm? Yeah? That was awkward.

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 1>The concept of giving your dog a toy or treat

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 1>and the look in their eye that says, this is

0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>everything I've ever wanted and is just pure joy. That excellent.

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.479
<v Speaker 1>That is today's sponsor the joy of a dog, and

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 1>also today's sponsor not getting caught, which totally ties into

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the missing other guy. Yeah, and then all these other

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 1>ones and we are back. And so if you did

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>you know that a few pounds of hamburg or worns

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>enough to feed the pack of wolves. Sarah knew it.

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Sarah knew Sarah knew it. Well, I did. I did

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>not know that, But I'm glad Sarah. She was sure

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>that the wolves knew it. Oh. Still, She filled a

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 1>big wooden salad bowl with raw pink meat and went outside.

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<v Speaker 1>The moon was behind clouds, so she flicked on her

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 1>keychain flashlight. They were waiting for her. Standing twenty ft

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 1>from the door. The mated pairs stood still. Their children

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>played in the snow teeth that throat, the same games

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>everyone plays years ago. Sarah would have named the wolves.

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.119
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't have been right. They didn't have names. They

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't need names. They were not pets, not companions, not friends,

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:07.360
<v Speaker 1>not enemies. They were wolves. She set the bull down

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.680
<v Speaker 1>on the stoop. Every time they came, it was the same. First,

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the mother came forward, skittish. Sarah didn't go back inside,

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:16.640
<v Speaker 1>but she didn't hold out a hand either. The wolf

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>grabbed the meat in her mall, then darted back a

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 1>few feet, then looked over her shoulder and met Sarah's gaze.

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>The pack trotted into the forest, and Sarah was alone

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 1>again with less food. He's Sarah, Darnell asked, he wasn't

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>calling from his own number, that cetera. On edge. Yeah,

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to say this, but Darnell hesitated.

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Some guys in suits came to my door asking about

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Some guy said his name was Richard something. Hold on,

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I've got it written down, Richards Stillman. They were looking

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 1>for Richard Stillman. Sarah knew Stillman, Darnell said, said he

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>might be dressed like a girl might be hiding out.

0:28:57.360 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Said if I knew anything about that, that I should

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:01.560
<v Speaker 1>let them know that it would be a good idea.

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>What did you say. I didn't say ship, didn't say yes,

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't say no. I took their business card. Yeah, they're FBI,

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>and I called a lawyer, and now I'm calling you, Oh,

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>perennial sponsor of this podcast. Not talking to the Feds. Well, yeah,

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 1>don't talk to cops. Don't talk to feds. Hi, Margaret

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Killjoy here, boy, the world sure is a mess right now? Huh?

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Seems like every day there are more and more reasons

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>to get out into this recent protest. That's why when

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I get arrested, there's only one strategy. I trust, I

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>shut the funk up. I say, I would like to

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>remain silent, I would like to talk to my lawyer,

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and then I shut the funk up. In the United

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 1>States of America, it's constitutionally protected and recommended by the

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>National Lawyers Guild. That's s h U t th h

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 1>E f U c k u P. Once again, that's

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>s h U t t h E f U c

0:29:57.040 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>k u P. Because you can't talk yourself of custody,

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>but you can talk yourself into a conviction. Providing identification

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>to law enforcement required in some states and situations, giving

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>name an addressed expedient in most circumstances, never discussed the

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 1>events leading to arrest with anyone except your lawyer, doctor,

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 1>or therapist. Posting pictures of protests and actions on social

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>media may lead to complications. If you have already talked

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 1>to cops or experienced confusion about talking to cops, call

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>your attorney immediately, as these may be signs of more

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>serious legal problems. The concept of not talking to cops

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>does not provide legal advice in the foregoing statements are

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 1>for informational purposes only if you have specific legal questions.

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Consultant attorney. Sarah took a moment to still her mind.

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Best if you don't visit anymore. Thanks, Darnel. Sorry for

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 1>all the trouble. Yeah, Ship, I'm sorry, Sarah. Not your fault.

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>It might have been his fault, of course, it might

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>have been the phone thing, or god knows what else.

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Take care of yourself. Yeah, same to you. She hung up.

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 1>They were coming. There was no way they weren't. If

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>they weren't here now, they'd be here soon. Contingencies. She

0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 1>had planned for contingencies. She went into the basement under

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the house. A tunnel, Josephine said, not now, at the

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>end of the tunnel a path. There's no tunnel under

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 1>the house. There was no tunnel in the basement. She'd

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>been over every inch of it when she first arrived.

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>She had inventoried everything, she'd studied everything. The house was

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>her own prison, and she'd searched every crack and every brick.

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 1>The house was full of a lot of things, including

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>a veritable pharmacy of expired prescriptions. In the bedroom closet,

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>including ghosts, no tunnels, gasoline, though there was plenty of gasoline.

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Sara found the five gallon jugs just where she'd first

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 1>seen them. She picked one up and started towards the stairs.

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>It was heavy enough to pull her to the side

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 1>as she walked. You can't solve every problem with fire.

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Josephine didn't usually talk to her in the basement. She

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't like the basement. Even ghosts were scared abasements. Watch me,

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Sara said. Violence begets violence. The walls said, you killed people,

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and now other people are coming for you. What would

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>you have me do? Just lay down and die? Josephine

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>was quiet. She was thinking yes, no, I refused, Josephine,

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>you hear me, I fucking refuse. Think about Darnell. What's

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>going to happen to Darnell if you kill the people

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>coming after you? Sarah put the jug down at the

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>base of the stairs and stood up straight. Nothing good,

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Sarah said, is that what you want me to say?

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Nothing good? Though? Arrest him and I'll have to prove

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>in court he wasn't an accessory. Maybe he'll plee out

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and go to prison. It was never nice to get

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>your friend locked up, and we're still to do it

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to a black man exactly, Josephine said, I'm not going

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>to prison, Sarah said. She picked up the jug and

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 1>started slowly up the stairs. You don't have to go

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>to prison. I'm not going to prison. I'm not just

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna kill myself. Okay. The walls were silent. In response,

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Sarah got four jugs of gas up the stairs to

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>by the front door for the most dramatic effect. The

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>other two positioned best to bring down the building. She

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 1>had plenty of time to plan the whole thing, but

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>never let it get over complicated to kitchen timers. Some

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>flares that was it might not even kill anyone. What

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>made you do it, Sarah asked, as she took the

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 1>cap off the last flare. Same as you end of

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>my rope. I'm not at the end of my rope.

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to argue, Josephine said. Sarah sat down

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 1>in her favorite chair, by her favorite desk, by her

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>favorite window. She was going to miss that chair. She

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 1>was going to miss watching the wind blow the snow

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 1>in the winter, and the grass in the summer, and

0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>the pines all year round. A man was after me,

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Josephine said, her voice was quieter than usual. Eyes with

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>fire behind them, hands with blood inside them. A gun,

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>a gun, always a gun. A man who thought I

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>was his. You should have fought him. You would have won,

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Sarah nails. He would have won, and I would have

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>been his, and he would be sitting in this house

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>right now, and I would have been sitting in this

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>house right now. And it's better to be eaten by

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>wolves than be married sometimes, you know, Yeah, yeah, valid,

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 1>a new theme for well, I guess it's more about

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>poisoning husbands was the previous one. Wait? What did when

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>he said the shreek goes a big sleigh shut? Yeah? Wolves.

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>So I took pills, more pills than other days, and

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.240
<v Speaker 1>I went out to the pines and I gave myself

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.320
<v Speaker 1>to the forest, the snow, the moon. Yes, the wolves.

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I followed the wolves. I gave myself to the wolves,

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 1>not to the man. I'm sorry that happened to you, Josephine.

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sorry. It's not going to happen to me though.

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Then the tunnel, there is no tunnel, Josephine, you're in

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 1>my head. Of course. The sunset, and no Feds had

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>arrived not yet. Sarah wished Darnell had brought her a

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:59.240
<v Speaker 1>gun after all. Sarah made herself tea thick and black.

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I re light in the house was off. The half

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>moon lit up the world, and the wind blew the

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>shadows of the trees against the wall. Behind her. Two

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:10.760
<v Speaker 1>flares sat on her lap. The wolves arrived and circled

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the house. There was no meat for them, not unless

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Sarah decided to die like Josephine. They bleed, Josephine said.

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 1>Sarah saw her reflection in the window, but didn't turn

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>to look back at her friend, her lover of sorts.

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 1>They burrow, they break the bone, who, Sarah asked? The pines,

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the land, yeah, and the moon, and the snow shore shore,

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Sarah said, And the wolves, the wolves. Sarah stood up

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 1>and looked at Josephine. The ghost stared at her, her

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:47.359
<v Speaker 1>eyes moist with tears like they always were. Headlights broke

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 1>through the window ship. Sarah said. I thought I'd have longer.

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 1>Everyone always does. Sarah looked at the gas cans, bright

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>red and plastic and out of place by the door.

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.359
<v Speaker 1>She couldn't do it to Darnell. There were pills enough

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 1>in the bedroom of course, she could avoid prison. At least.

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>She didn't want to die, but it was bound to happen. Eventually.

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>She walked up the stairs, her boots heavy on the

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>ugly faded carpet. She walked into the bedroom, opened the closet,

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.840
<v Speaker 1>box after box of sleeping pills, A good night's rest,

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 1>of a long night's rest. She turned and saw two

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 1>things at once, Josephine on the chair by the window

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>and the poster on the wall visible through Josephine's translucence.

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.720
<v Speaker 1>We don't have to win, we just have to survive.

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Are you real? Sara asked, I need to know, and

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I need to know right the funk? Now, what do

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you think? Are you real? Our ghosts real? Is the

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 1>tunnel reel? A car door slammed out of time? I

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.839
<v Speaker 1>love you, Sara nails. Josephine said that was real enough.

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I love you too. Sara sprinted for the hallway, careene

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>down the stairs and ran out the side door of

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.919
<v Speaker 1>the house, grabbing her coat from the chair as she went.

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:02.359
<v Speaker 1>The flares and the pills spilled from her hands into

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the snow. The wolves stood back, nervously watching her. Headlights

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:09.800
<v Speaker 1>came from the front of the house. She followed the

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>wolf tracks around back. The wolves followed her at a distance. Curious, dispassionate,

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Sarah traced the tracks down into the gully that marked

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.240
<v Speaker 1>the end of the yard. They only ran another twenty

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>feet before they stopped suddenly, at the side of a

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:29.360
<v Speaker 1>boulder set against the ravine's wall. The wolves den in

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:33.359
<v Speaker 1>the distance. There was shouting, then howling, then shooting. Then

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>a wolf screamed. It wouldn't be long. Sarah had always

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>been small for a boy, and she got down onto

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 1>her belly, and she squeezed between the rock and the

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 1>earth and made it into the den, though it ripped

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>her coat and soaked her in snow. She turned on

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 1>her flashlight. There were the bones, animal bones, animal bones,

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and a human as an animal too, And there were

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 1>the old bones and the skull. Josephine was real, and

0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 1>she given herself to the wolves. Past the midden was

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 1>a tunnel waist high cut by human hands into the earth,

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>reinforced with old timber. Bootleggers tracks lead here. A voice

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.880
<v Speaker 1>called from just outside, a man's voice, low and angry.

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>People get angry. The land doesn't I can't fit, though

0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>this will fit, another man said Sarah heard gas and

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 1>turned to look as a metal canister rolled into the

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 1>den smoke. She turned her back on it and crawled.

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:33.280
<v Speaker 1>She crawled through the tunnel, which was endless until it ended.

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 1>She came up in a part of the wood she'd

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 1>never seen before, and the half moon showed her the path.

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 1>The path, too, was endless, until it ended at the

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>shore of the lake. The lake was frozen over and

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 1>the rowboat had rotted through, and she set out on

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>foot across the ice. It creaked and it cracked, and

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 1>it held. The bike's engine turned over and it filled

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.799
<v Speaker 1>the world with its roar, and Sarah Nails took off

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 1>up a gravel road. She reached a fork, and she

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 1>took out her compass. North. Somewhere up north was a border,

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 1>and beyond that border was hope. Not a lot of it,

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:18.439
<v Speaker 1>but maybe enough. Look at you ending your story hopefully. Yeah,

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>as I told you, it's the utopian story and the compass.

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.800
<v Speaker 1>It was a good gift, I know, I know, exactly

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 1>better than a gun in this particular circumstance, probably for

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the average person. If you're thinking to yourself, gunn or compass,

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:40.960
<v Speaker 1>spooky but hopeful. Thanks, that's kind of Like, that's kind

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 1>of you, Margaret. I picked the name killed Joy at

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>a younger stage in my life before it became a

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>professional optimist who tells people about how it's worth doing things. Yeah,

0:39:54.360 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 1>all going north towards the hope. I love that. Yeah, Yeah,

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 1>it's funny even like some of the stories that were

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>written earlier in like the this book has a bunch

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>of stories written over the course about five or six years,

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 1>and some of the earlier ones end a little bit

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 1>less hopefully. Um, and that absolutely just relates to like

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:21.720
<v Speaker 1>where I was at when I was writing these given stories.

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Sarah cool people who did cool stuff. Yeah, be like Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do anything illegal ever, obey all the laws. Wait wait,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a better one. Don't do things just because

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<v Speaker 1>someone that talks to you on a podcast suggested you

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<v Speaker 1>do them. That's what I got co signed, co signed

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<v Speaker 1>so hard. Oh my goodness, this is really great market

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<v Speaker 1>and a great story. Uh do you wanna plug where

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<v Speaker 1>it's from one more time? Well, it's from my new

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<v Speaker 1>book We Won't Be Here Tomorrow, available from a K Press,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a collection of short fiction with stories like

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<v Speaker 1>this one. If you want to hear some of the

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<v Speaker 1>other stories you can actually listen to about a year

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<v Speaker 1>ago on it could happen here, But you could search

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret Kiljoy it could happen here or something, and you

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<v Speaker 1>probably find two stories I wrote there also that are

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<v Speaker 1>also in this book. But there's so many more. Besides

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<v Speaker 1>so many stories. I don't know why I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make this sound spooky this Halloween. Halloween. Well, yeah, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>everyone for listening to. Possibly my new trick that I

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<v Speaker 1>do whenever I do three parts, which is grow some

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<v Speaker 1>fiction in there. Um, Sophie, do you know anything to

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<v Speaker 1>plug like? Possibly? Is there any like? Is there anything

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<v Speaker 1>like new I could listen to on cool Zone Media? Like, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I like the shows that you all have, But I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking, wouldn't it be nice if there's something new,

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<v Speaker 1>a new voice for cool Zone? Yeah? I mean, if

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