1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff? 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Your podcast or what um feels like the End Times. No, 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: that's a different podcast. Well, welcome to Cool People Who 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Did Cool Stuff. I'm your host, Margaret Killjoy, and every 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: week I bring you a story about cool people in history. 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: Except today. Sophie. Did you know that today is the 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: extra special Halloween Fiction Special? Um? I did because I 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: asked you to do it right. This we Today's episode 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: is so special. It's a special twice, the extra special 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: Halloween Fiction Special. It is definitely not a filler episode 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: because we ran a three parter, but but it is 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: special special, that's what you're saying. Yes, it's extra special cool. 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: And today I have an extra special guest, So if 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: you do you want a guest who guests guests? Who 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: it is? I kind of kind of blue that one. 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: This is a filler episode. I'm pretty sure it's sucking me. 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: Today we have the Webby Award winning Sophie lift Him 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: and On as our guest. Sophie, how are you doing? 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: You really love to introduce me like that. It's so funny. 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. It's Halloween. Anderson looks great in her 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: Halloween costumes. I have a bunch of candy that probably 22 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: no kids are going to take, but I will leave 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: it out for them. Anyways, How are you, Margaret, I'm good. 24 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: It has just occurred to me that there is a small, 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: a close to zero but non zero chance that some 26 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: neighborhood kid it's going to walk up the long gravel 27 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: driveway to my house. I hope that doesn't happen. I mean, 28 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you'll know because we're in troub will inform 29 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: you and then you can just hide. Oh that's a 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, that's a good point. Or I'll give 31 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: them like a can of soup, I mean, honestly dried, 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: the weirdest thing kids have probably gotten on Halloween ammunition. 33 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: I grew up in Los Angeles and you would and 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: you would go to a house and they'd like give 35 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: you like a toothrush or something, so or they'd be like, 36 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: here's our sugar free, gluten free soulless. Yeah, they're like, 37 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: we don't believe in candy in this household. Here is 38 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: this thing that you definitely do not want seven year 39 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: old meat, but um, go off. So, I mean a 40 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: can of soup sounds lovely compared to that. Yeah, I could. 41 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: Some of them are fruit I have, like canned fruit 42 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: that's sugary, sugary. There you go, you've you've done it. 43 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: There was there was there was a year that this 44 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: person like ran out of candy and then they just 45 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: sort of like giving people like touching with their hand. 46 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: I have like a very bad memory of it. They 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: would like handfuls of like cereal they had in their house, 48 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: but it wasn't even like like a solid like sugar cereal. 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: It was like the kind that you're is. It was 50 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: like the kind that you were like, mom, how dare 51 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: you buy this? Oh? Like the ones that are basically 52 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: granola or whatever. No, it was like it was like 53 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: it was like you were eating like bark, like tree bark. 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: It was that bad um. And they were like, I 55 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: ran out of candy. Here's some tree bark that I've 56 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: touched with my hand. So all I'm saying is soup 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: not bad, canned fruit not bad. Somebody's old not delicious. 58 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: Cereal that they've touched with their hand very bad. Okay, 59 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: good to know a couple of rounds of two, two 60 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: three or a can of soup people can pick. There 61 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: you go, solid option. Yeah, and then the cops will. 62 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, look, you have a nice outfit, 63 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: you're dressed up like the police. And then then it's 64 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: actually them. Then Halloween's really scary, I know, just like 65 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: the Frankenstein's Monster came to the door earlier, where I 66 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: thought it was a costume, um and it wasn't a costume. Yeah, 67 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: that happens, well, Sophie. Today is okay, it's Halloween for us, 68 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: but for everyone else it's two days after Halloween, which 69 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: is even spookier. And so I was thinking, I was thinking, 70 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: why don't I read us a ghost story? I mean, 71 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: I would love that, because I've asked you to do it. 72 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, well, fortunately for you, both the 73 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: you in the singular Sophie Lichtman, Today's guest and the 74 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: greater you plural, which is the original reason for the 75 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: words yeah and for for use for y'all. Fortunately for you, 76 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: I have written such a story. And I'm even on 77 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: tour right now temporarily at my house, reading people stories 78 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: from my book of stories called we Won't Be Here Tomorrow. 79 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Is that published by one a K Press? 80 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: And can people buy it? It? Is? It is available? 81 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: And if you want to hear a story from it. 82 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: That's what I'm going to read today. I love that 83 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: Margaret was in town for her work tour and she 84 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: read another story about a witch that was also really amazing, 85 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: and so I'm just going to plug that. So you 86 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: should buy Margaret's books so you can read that story 87 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: as well. So it was really good spooky stories. Usually 88 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: I basically just protagonize all the witches and such. Yeah, 89 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you were reading the witch story and I 90 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: was like, Markers, is this about you? This is a 91 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: little bit about you? Right, it's not not? And then 92 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: you were in the middle of Reagan. Do you won't. Oh, 93 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: I guess this is kind of a little bit about me. 94 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: I love that. My favorite thing about going on this 95 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: tour is like realizing what's um the weird subtext of 96 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: all of these stories. You're like, oh, who did that? Okay? Yeah, yeah, okay. Well, 97 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to read this story and you can feel 98 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: free to to interrupt as you as you wish. This story. 99 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: It's called it bleeds, it burrows, it breaks the bone. 100 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: The land was beautiful, though the house was not. The 101 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: house was as decrepit as only a house made in 102 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: the eighties could be carpet paint and mold, too big, 103 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: too empty. Sarah nails herself was as decrepit as only 104 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: a girl made in the eighties could be skin teeth 105 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: and aches, too small, too empty. The land was an 106 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: endless field of snow with pines like iron bars, pines 107 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: like a cage. Twenty minutes to a neighbor, an hour 108 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: to a store, three twist city. That was Minnesota. The 109 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: Feds might not find her in Minnesota. They might not 110 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: break her, They might not bind her. They might not 111 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: throw her into a prison full of men. Trans girls, arsonists. 112 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: They belong in prisons full of men. Sarah watched the 113 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: roads of the window, the one over the desk, the 114 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: one framed in spiderwebs and dead flies. Nothing ever came 115 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: up that road, nothing but Darnell once a week with groceries. 116 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: It bleeds. The walls of the house said, not now, Josephine, 117 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: Sarah whispered, you just when her grocery still all bleeding. 118 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, we're grocery shopping, got it. 119 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: What did we buy? The walls are bleeding? Continue enjoying, Yeah, uh, 120 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 1: not now, Josephine, Sarah whispered, it burrows. The walls said louder, 121 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: now more insistent. Please not now, it bleeds, it burrows, 122 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: it breaks the bone. Sarah put her hands to her face, 123 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: holding back tears. Not now, later, the house said, when 124 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: you sleep, when you dream, when it bleeds, when it breaks. Yes, Josephine, 125 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: we'll talk tonight. I look forward to it, the house said, Sarah, 126 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: in her despair, did too. The bedroom faced west, and 127 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: the setting sun cut in through the window, onto the 128 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: bed and onto Sarah. No blankets, just sheets and a 129 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: cranked up thermostat. It wasn't even four thirty, a few 130 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: days from midwinter, the sun scarcely bothered to rise at all. 131 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: A poster hung from a single thumb tack, lost among 132 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: decades old show fliers and political screeds. In photocopied high contrast, 133 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: three punk women with nineties hair, posed with guitars under it. 134 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: Cursive script read we don't have to win, we just 135 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: have to survive. Sarah had always wanted to win her 136 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: whole life. She'd set that compound in Virginia on fire 137 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: in order to win. She had killed two neo Nazis 138 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: with a little more than a gas can and a 139 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: kitchen timer. She'd wrecked thousands of hours of their planning, 140 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: plodding a million dollar arsenal. Gutted and twisted by flame, 141 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: Sophie that the thing about killing Nazis is that it's 142 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: a net gain of human life. The other thing about 143 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: killing Nazis is that, for some indiscernible reason it's illegal. 144 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is. It probably because a lot of 145 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: them are making up the laws and enforcing the laws. Yes, 146 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: that that probably the the Nazi um what's it called 147 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: when people tell lawmakers my brain doesn't work. It's Halloween. 148 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: The Nazi lobby very powerful. I'm saying that if I'm 149 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: being sarcastic, but now I think you're actually just sort 150 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: of right. Friends within her movement found friends within an 151 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: allied movement who found friends within a third movement, and 152 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: those friends hit her in Minnesota. The people who were 153 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: hiding her didn't know why they were hiding her. They 154 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: didn't want to know, which is what friends of friends 155 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: of friends are for. They hired someone to look after her, 156 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: to show up once every couple of weeks with food 157 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: and hormones and whatever she needed, and that was it. 158 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: That was her life, now, hiding, running Minnesota under the posters. 159 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: In the bedroom sat a chair, an ugly chair, steel 160 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: legged and upholstered, with cracked vinyl on the chair, her notebook, 161 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: Nothing but Tally's in that notebook, days twenty four hours 162 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: reduced to a single Tally. Her life was reduced to 163 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: the passage of time. Now, Sarah, the house asked, now 164 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: is fine? Josephine said, The ghost appeared in the doorway. 165 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: She was hazy, only distinct wherever Sarah focused her attention. 166 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: Sarah had read the news reports almost twenty years back. 167 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: Josephine Declare had disappeared at age thirty nine, presumed dead 168 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: of exposure somewhere in the pines. Search teams hadn't tried 169 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: very long, and they never found a body, survived only 170 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: by an aunt and a cousin. The haunted sins died. 171 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: The cousin and environmentalist inherited the house and donated it 172 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: to the movement. Sarah wasn't the first person who had 173 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: been on the run at Josephine Declaire's house. Now, Sophie, 174 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: if you are stuck at a house in Minnesota and 175 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: you needed something to eat, what do you think what 176 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: would keep you going through those cold Winter Nights. Potatoes. 177 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: That's right, Sophie, potatoes. Potatoes. If you, dear listener, are 178 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: on the run for murdering Nazis and I know at 179 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: least of you are, Potatoes are your best friend, except 180 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: for the fact that you can't eat them roll. This 181 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: is the single biggest down to side the potatoes, which 182 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: is why we're also sponsored by ovens. Mm hmm. Eating 183 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: food before you eat it. The concept of ovens like 184 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: energy efficient ovens, m and like not just being someone 185 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: who eats cold chili out of a can, but someone 186 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: who eats warm chili out of a can. You can 187 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: you can make your life that much better by heating 188 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: your food before you eat it. I mean, yeah, yeah, 189 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: solid point. It's like getting your mattress off the ground. 190 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: It is an important step in the development of a person. 191 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: Are you saying it's time for an advert? Is that 192 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: what's happening here? Yes? Ah? And we are back from 193 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: those ads and the pines aren't angry, Josephine said from 194 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: the doorway. Straight black hair framed her beautiful face. She 195 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: had crow's feet and green eyes that were always wet 196 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: with tears, and she had the smallest mouth a doll's 197 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: mouth a mouth, Sarah longed to kiss what. They're not angry, 198 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: They're just disappointed, Sarah asked, trying and failing to get 199 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: herself for the ghost to laugh. They're just passionate, Josephine said. 200 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: They suffer, are they sorrow? But they do not speak. 201 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm tired of riddles, Sarah said, tell me a story. 202 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: Tell me about yourself, tell me how you lived, how 203 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: you died. You think I'm not real, Sarah nails. You 204 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: think I'm in your head. I can't tell you about 205 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: myself because you wouldn't believe me. Then why can't I 206 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: see you? Two years is a long time to be 207 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: by yourself, Josephine said, it isn't. It isn't. Sarah, on 208 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: the bed, started to cry a little. I wish you 209 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: could hold me, she said, I wish I could too. 210 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: Tell me about the pines. Then tell me about this passion. 211 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: It bleeds, Josephine said, her countenance wavering in the last 212 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: light of the day. It burrows, it breaks the bone. 213 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: That's the hard part about dating a ghost, Sophie. Right 214 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: when you said it burrows, and then you did that pause, Bill, 215 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: one of the lights in my studio flickered and one out. 216 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, okay, okay, I'm just saying the vibe, 217 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: the vibe is there. Yea. Yeah. And we had actually 218 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: a different guest on, but something mysterious happened in the 219 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: middle of the first to take at trying to record 220 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: this and for legal reasons we can't discuss, but hopefully 221 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: that won't happen to Sophie. Yeah, I mean the lights 222 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: are flickering. We don't know. Yeah, this is not a bit. 223 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: The lights are actually flickering. My part is a bit, 224 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: but Sophie's part is not a bit. It'll be fine. 225 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm not worried. Yeah. People ask my Halloween plans and 226 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: I was like, I've been on tour. My Halloween plans 227 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: is to sit in my spooky house in the woods 228 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: by myself watch movies. I know you deserve that so much. 229 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm so excited replacing driving time with sleeping, which it 230 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: turns out if you do while you're on tour, if 231 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: you replace the time that you're driving with sleeping, um, 232 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: you crash. Yeah. This is really fun and clever to 233 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: interrupt my own story like this. Yeah, I'm like, Margaret, 234 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: you're going on a tangent. It's your own story. I know, 235 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: I know. Sarah didn't even bother trying to sleep at 236 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: night anymore. Whenever she slept at night, she dreamt of 237 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: police raids, different every time, but every time she was 238 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: dragged away in handcuffs, or shot in the back as 239 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: she ran, or shot in the front as she fought, 240 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: or subject to things worse than violence. So she was awake, 241 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: sitting in the cold vinyl and steel chair reading trashy 242 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: romance when the wolves came, the same pack of seven, 243 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: two parents and their children. They circled the house counterclockwise, silent, 244 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: ten nights in a row, and they were always silent. 245 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: She put down the book and went to the kitchen. 246 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: Darnell before she moved to the house in the Pine, 247 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: Sarah hadn't held a landline in ten years at least yep, 248 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: A voice said on the other end of the line, 249 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: distant and tinny. He was talking to her by speaker phone, 250 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: like always, can you come a few days early? I'm 251 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: running low? Damn girl, did you eat ten days of 252 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: food and five? Darnell always accented the word girl when 253 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: he was talking to her about her A lot of 254 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: siss people did that. It was sweet and it was irritating, 255 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: an equal measure, like Darnell himself. I gave it to 256 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: the wolves, Sarah said, mumbling, you did what I They 257 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: were hungry. They're outside my house. They howl like the wind, 258 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: and they pad and they plod, and they were hungry. 259 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: And now, yeah, Darnell said, yeah, sure, can you bring 260 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: extra meat anything, A couple of pounds at least. I'm 261 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: not sure this mental health sabbatical is doing you good. 262 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: Listen to me, the house said not now, Sarah said, 263 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: company is coming. We'll talk tonight. Listen to me. Now. 264 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: Sarah nails what. She put down her quilty and turned 265 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: her attention from the snow falling outside. Josephine wasn't there. 266 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: She could talk anywhere in the house, but she usually 267 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: only appeared in the bedroom only to watch Sarah she slept, 268 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: and as she didn't sleep, it's why Sarah slept in 269 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: that room under the house. A tunnel at the end 270 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: of the tunnel, a path beyond the path, a lake 271 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: on the lake, a boat across the lake, a bike. 272 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: A bike lays open the world. There's no tunnel, Josephine. 273 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: I've been over every into this house. Under the house 274 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: a tunnel. You're not real remember under the house a tunnel. 275 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: At the end of the tunnel a path. Who built 276 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: the tunnel? Huh? The gods of the pines? Are they? 277 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: Who is burrowing? Bleeding? You have company coming, the house 278 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: said and grew quiet. Sarah turned back to the window 279 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: and watched the truck come out from the trees, crawling 280 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: through snow and ice and four wheel drive. The truck 281 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: stopped just outside, and Darnell stepped out with a heavy 282 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: bag of groceries under each arm. He told you would 283 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: come back to groceries. I'm really glad we're full circling. Yeah, 284 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't have enough food otherwise. Anyway, did 285 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: she buy potatoes? You know? I I assume she's a 286 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: smart character? Okay, so definitely, yeah, even like it. It 287 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: doesn't even be written into the main text. It's it's 288 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: just assumed. Got it, got it? Got it? Yeah, he's 289 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: all Sarah watching through the window, and his smile crept 290 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: up into his eyes. He obviously thought she was crazy. 291 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: He was probably right whatever, but it was just as 292 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: obvious he liked her anyway. She went to the door 293 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: to let him in. He stomped his big brown boots 294 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 1: on the mat, then strode inside. You've got to let 295 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: me get a couple of guys out here. Fix his 296 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: place up, Darnell said. He went into the kitchen sat 297 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: at the table while Sarah put the food away, like 298 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: he did every time he came, her only living contact 299 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: two years. Look at this floor, the linoleum. I mean, 300 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: it's coming up anyway, and it's linoleum. It's a shame 301 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: the old house has gone. You know, a rum runner 302 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: house had to have a good wooden floor. As Sarah 303 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: had heard it, the old house had burned down in 304 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: the seventies before the current monstrosity was built. Before Josephine 305 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: had lived here, bootlegs had used it on their way 306 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: across the border more fugitives. He kicked at the floor. 307 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: I know a guy can get his lamb in it 308 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: pretty cheap. I don't own the place, Sarah said, And besides, 309 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm just here, so you're feeling better. Darnell cut in, Yeah, 310 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: but for how long nails. Even when she's temporary, you 311 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: got to make the most of it. Don't be afraid 312 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: to settle in. Don't be living life like you're on 313 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: the run. That's what my dad says. Your dad left 314 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: you when you were ten? Yeah, dark joke. Magpie also 315 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: the most consistent laugh out of an audience when I 316 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: do this, when I read this at an event, different 317 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: lines get different jokes, But that is apparently the funniest 318 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: line in the story. Will you tell it an audience? 319 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: You can see Magpie space. She knows, she knows that shade, 320 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: and so she makes this space like it's really funny. 321 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: I'm being slighter. I really like it, just like that 322 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: slight shade where it's like, I know I'm being an asshole. 323 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: Your dad left when you were ten, Yeah, but he 324 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: wasn't afraid to settle in before he skipped down. If 325 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: Sarah liked men, she would have liked Darnell. He was handsome, smart, 326 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: never condescending, self educated, alive. She'd take a dead woman 327 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: over a living man, which wasn't fair to any of 328 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: the three parties involved. Hey, so I got you something 329 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: for Christmas, Darnell, said Solstice. Sarah corrected, sure, pagan Christmas. Whatever. 330 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: He reached into his pocket, pulled out a compass, said 331 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: on the table, it's not much right, but I was 332 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: reading about the lady who lived here. How she just 333 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: disappeared in the snow one day. And I grew up 334 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: not too far from here. And I don't go in 335 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: much for woo woo ship. But the land here is cruel, 336 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: just passionate. What did you call it? Sarah asked, sitting 337 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: down a jar of pickles, trying not to look at 338 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: startled as she was. The land don't care about us. 339 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: So first I thought I'd get you a gun, but 340 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,239 Speaker 1: I couldn't really afford it, and besides it might be 341 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: a bad idea for reasons and mental health stuff. And 342 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: I thought, get you a compass. You ever lost, pick 343 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: a direction and stick with it, doesn't matter the direction. 344 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: Dad teach you that too. Yeah, and he's a piece 345 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: of ship, sure, but he's right sometimes just fully saying 346 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: fuck that Dad. Yeah, not the best dad in any 347 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: of these stories. Thank you, Sarah said. She picked up 348 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: the compass. It was solid, came with a hard plastic 349 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: folding lid. She slipped it into her pocket. I have 350 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: something for you, too, Sarah said. She went to the 351 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: living room picked up the quilt. She tied off a 352 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: final thread and cut it. Yeah, she heard from the kitchen. Yeah, 353 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: I'll be in town later. Tonight or tomorrow. Yeah, something 354 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: came up. No, it's not a big deal. I'm fine. 355 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: He was on the phone. Sarah walked back into the kitchen, 356 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: clutching the quilt to her chest. Yeah, hey, I've got 357 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: to go. He hung up, put the phone on the table. 358 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: She stared at the phone. He stared at her. Oh ship, sorry, nails, 359 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: no cell phones, Sarah said, I know. I'm sorry. Here, look, 360 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm turning it off now. It might be too late. 361 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: They might know where I am. You've got to go. 362 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: If you're worried, let me stay over. I'll keep you safe. No, 363 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: no sleeping over. You are friend zoned. Friends get quilt, 364 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: so don't complain. Now leave, Leave. She thrust the quilt 365 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: into his hands. This is this is amazing nails. I'm 366 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: gonna use. I'm going to use that. You are a 367 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: friend zone. Friends get quilt, so don't complain. Yeah, and 368 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: it took a long time, and I'm glad you like it. 369 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: Now go. He cast a long look over his shoulder 370 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: on his way out the door. It was obvious he 371 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: was worried about her. That may sense She was worried 372 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: about herself too, but not weird enough to share her 373 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: bed with you respectfully. You are in the friend zone 374 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: and you are not coming out. Yeah, yeah, exactly, everyone 375 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: knows and it's fine. I actually I really consciously I 376 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: was like, I want to write a like sweet story 377 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: where like the person in the friend zone is just 378 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: chill with it's just like, yeah, that's that's that's our relationship. 379 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: It's fine, you know, because I feel like that's actually 380 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: most of my experiences of of putting people in this 381 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: terrible zone that is people are like, oh, it's the 382 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: zone where I got a quilt. Okay, like whatever that 383 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: has that has not been my experience, but your healthier relationships. Yeah, 384 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: I I try to write, um, it's utopian. The stories 385 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: that utopia. Yeah, I'm like that that that you know 386 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: who you are. That did not happen, that was there 387 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: was no chill quilt situation. Oh did they at least 388 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: not get a quilt out of it? There was no 389 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: QUI that's great. I'm glad they got nothing out of 390 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: it if they weren't going to handle that. Yeah, today's 391 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: subtweeted episode little Personal, Sophie calmed down back to the 392 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: story please, Yeah, speaking of personal, the first time Sarah 393 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: met Josephine was a summer night, not a week after 394 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: the arson, while Sarah slept on her back in the 395 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: bed in the house in the Pines. In her dream, 396 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: Josephine had been sitting on the ugly chair, gazing out 397 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: the window, a bottle of pills balanced precarious on the sill. 398 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: Josephine had been crying maniacal hysterical laughter, sobs that shook 399 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: the house, that shook the bed, that woke Sarah up. 400 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: When Sarah woke up, and the pills were gone because 401 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: they were the dream, but Josephine was still there, still ghostly. Hello, 402 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: Sarah asked. He was too scared to be scared. What's 403 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: your name, Josephine asked, Sarah Nails. I'm sorry I'm in 404 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: your house. I'm not Sarah Nails. I'm glad you're here. 405 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: You're something new to look at, something beautiful, like the land, 406 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: like the snow, like blood, like the birds, moth, dear 407 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: death moon. Tell me something about yourself, Sarah said, I'm dead, 408 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: Josephine said, besides that, I'm lonely, me too, Josephine. Sarah 409 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: had never seen ghosts, not once in her life. She 410 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: hadn't believed in them, and she hadn't disbelieved in them. 411 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: Most interesting was to realize she wasn't afraid of them. 412 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: The things she was afraid of were far worse than 413 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: a dead woman. Will you come into bed with me? 414 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: Sarah asked, I can't. Josephine said, I can't touch you. 415 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: Josephine stared for a long moment, her eyes glistening with life. 416 00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: I can watch though, that will do mm hmm okay, 417 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: And you know who else will watch you while you sleep? Yeah? 418 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: The security systems that we advert Yeah, probably to be honest. Yeah. Well, oh, Sophia, 419 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: I bet you didn't know this. But every week we 420 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: asked our guest if there's something positive that they would 421 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: like to be sponsored by. Yeah, first time hearing about that? 422 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: Super interesting? Are you asking me what I'd like to 423 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: be sponsored by? You are the only guest now that 424 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: the other one is from this realm? Yeah? That was awkward. 425 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: The concept of giving your dog a toy or treat 426 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: and the look in their eye that says, this is 427 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: everything I've ever wanted and is just pure joy. That excellent. 428 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 1: That is today's sponsor the joy of a dog, and 429 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: also today's sponsor not getting caught, which totally ties into 430 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: the missing other guy. Yeah, and then all these other 431 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: ones and we are back. And so if you did 432 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: you know that a few pounds of hamburg or worns 433 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: enough to feed the pack of wolves. Sarah knew it. 434 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: Sarah knew Sarah knew it. Well, I did. I did 435 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: not know that, But I'm glad Sarah. She was sure 436 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: that the wolves knew it. Oh. Still, She filled a 437 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: big wooden salad bowl with raw pink meat and went outside. 438 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: The moon was behind clouds, so she flicked on her 439 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: keychain flashlight. They were waiting for her. Standing twenty ft 440 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: from the door. The mated pairs stood still. Their children 441 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: played in the snow teeth that throat, the same games 442 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: everyone plays years ago. Sarah would have named the wolves. 443 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been right. They didn't have names. They 444 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: didn't need names. They were not pets, not companions, not friends, 445 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: not enemies. They were wolves. She set the bull down 446 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: on the stoop. Every time they came, it was the same. First, 447 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: the mother came forward, skittish. Sarah didn't go back inside, 448 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: but she didn't hold out a hand either. The wolf 449 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: grabbed the meat in her mall, then darted back a 450 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: few feet, then looked over her shoulder and met Sarah's gaze. 451 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: The pack trotted into the forest, and Sarah was alone 452 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: again with less food. He's Sarah, Darnell asked, he wasn't 453 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: calling from his own number, that cetera. On edge. Yeah, 454 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: I don't know how to say this, but Darnell hesitated. 455 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: Some guys in suits came to my door asking about 456 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: Some guy said his name was Richard something. Hold on, 457 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: I've got it written down, Richards Stillman. They were looking 458 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: for Richard Stillman. Sarah knew Stillman, Darnell said, said he 459 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: might be dressed like a girl might be hiding out. 460 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: Said if I knew anything about that, that I should 461 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: let them know that it would be a good idea. 462 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: What did you say. I didn't say ship, didn't say yes, 463 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: didn't say no. I took their business card. Yeah, they're FBI, 464 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: and I called a lawyer, and now I'm calling you, Oh, 465 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: perennial sponsor of this podcast. Not talking to the Feds. Well, yeah, 466 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: don't talk to cops. Don't talk to feds. Hi, Margaret 467 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: Killjoy here, boy, the world sure is a mess right now? Huh? 468 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 1: Seems like every day there are more and more reasons 469 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: to get out into this recent protest. That's why when 470 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: I get arrested, there's only one strategy. I trust, I 471 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: shut the funk up. I say, I would like to 472 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: remain silent, I would like to talk to my lawyer, 473 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: and then I shut the funk up. In the United 474 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: States of America, it's constitutionally protected and recommended by the 475 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: National Lawyers Guild. That's s h U t th h 476 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: E f U c k u P. Once again, that's 477 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: s h U t t h E f U c 478 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: k u P. Because you can't talk yourself of custody, 479 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: but you can talk yourself into a conviction. Providing identification 480 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: to law enforcement required in some states and situations, giving 481 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: name an addressed expedient in most circumstances, never discussed the 482 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: events leading to arrest with anyone except your lawyer, doctor, 483 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: or therapist. Posting pictures of protests and actions on social 484 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: media may lead to complications. If you have already talked 485 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: to cops or experienced confusion about talking to cops, call 486 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: your attorney immediately, as these may be signs of more 487 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: serious legal problems. The concept of not talking to cops 488 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: does not provide legal advice in the foregoing statements are 489 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: for informational purposes only if you have specific legal questions. 490 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: Consultant attorney. Sarah took a moment to still her mind. 491 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: Best if you don't visit anymore. Thanks, Darnel. Sorry for 492 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: all the trouble. Yeah, Ship, I'm sorry, Sarah. Not your fault. 493 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: It might have been his fault, of course, it might 494 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: have been the phone thing, or god knows what else. 495 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: Take care of yourself. Yeah, same to you. She hung up. 496 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: They were coming. There was no way they weren't. If 497 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: they weren't here now, they'd be here soon. Contingencies. She 498 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: had planned for contingencies. She went into the basement under 499 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: the house. A tunnel, Josephine said, not now, at the 500 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: end of the tunnel a path. There's no tunnel under 501 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: the house. There was no tunnel in the basement. She'd 502 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: been over every inch of it when she first arrived. 503 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: She had inventoried everything, she'd studied everything. The house was 504 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: her own prison, and she'd searched every crack and every brick. 505 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: The house was full of a lot of things, including 506 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: a veritable pharmacy of expired prescriptions. In the bedroom closet, 507 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: including ghosts, no tunnels, gasoline, though there was plenty of gasoline. 508 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: Sara found the five gallon jugs just where she'd first 509 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: seen them. She picked one up and started towards the stairs. 510 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: It was heavy enough to pull her to the side 511 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: as she walked. You can't solve every problem with fire. 512 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: Josephine didn't usually talk to her in the basement. She 513 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: didn't like the basement. Even ghosts were scared abasements. Watch me, 514 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: Sara said. Violence begets violence. The walls said, you killed people, 515 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: and now other people are coming for you. What would 516 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: you have me do? Just lay down and die? Josephine 517 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: was quiet. She was thinking yes, no, I refused, Josephine, 518 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: you hear me, I fucking refuse. Think about Darnell. What's 519 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: going to happen to Darnell if you kill the people 520 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: coming after you? Sarah put the jug down at the 521 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: base of the stairs and stood up straight. Nothing good, 522 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: Sarah said, is that what you want me to say? 523 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: Nothing good? Though? Arrest him and I'll have to prove 524 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: in court he wasn't an accessory. Maybe he'll plee out 525 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: and go to prison. It was never nice to get 526 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: your friend locked up, and we're still to do it 527 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: to a black man exactly, Josephine said, I'm not going 528 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: to prison, Sarah said. She picked up the jug and 529 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: started slowly up the stairs. You don't have to go 530 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: to prison. I'm not going to prison. I'm not just 531 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: gonna kill myself. Okay. The walls were silent. In response, 532 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: Sarah got four jugs of gas up the stairs to 533 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: by the front door for the most dramatic effect. The 534 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: other two positioned best to bring down the building. She 535 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: had plenty of time to plan the whole thing, but 536 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: never let it get over complicated to kitchen timers. Some 537 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: flares that was it might not even kill anyone. What 538 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: made you do it, Sarah asked, as she took the 539 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: cap off the last flare. Same as you end of 540 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: my rope. I'm not at the end of my rope. 541 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue, Josephine said. Sarah sat down 542 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: in her favorite chair, by her favorite desk, by her 543 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: favorite window. She was going to miss that chair. She 544 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: was going to miss watching the wind blow the snow 545 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: in the winter, and the grass in the summer, and 546 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: the pines all year round. A man was after me, 547 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: Josephine said, her voice was quieter than usual. Eyes with 548 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: fire behind them, hands with blood inside them. A gun, 549 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: a gun, always a gun. A man who thought I 550 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: was his. You should have fought him. You would have won, 551 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: Sarah nails. He would have won, and I would have 552 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: been his, and he would be sitting in this house 553 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: right now, and I would have been sitting in this 554 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: house right now. And it's better to be eaten by 555 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: wolves than be married sometimes, you know, Yeah, yeah, valid, 556 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: a new theme for well, I guess it's more about 557 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: poisoning husbands was the previous one. Wait? What did when 558 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: he said the shreek goes a big sleigh shut? Yeah? Wolves. 559 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: So I took pills, more pills than other days, and 560 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: I went out to the pines and I gave myself 561 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: to the forest, the snow, the moon. Yes, the wolves. 562 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: I followed the wolves. I gave myself to the wolves, 563 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: not to the man. I'm sorry that happened to you, Josephine. 564 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sorry. It's not going to happen to me though. 565 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: Then the tunnel, there is no tunnel, Josephine, you're in 566 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: my head. Of course. The sunset, and no Feds had 567 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: arrived not yet. Sarah wished Darnell had brought her a 568 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: gun after all. Sarah made herself tea thick and black. 569 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: I re light in the house was off. The half 570 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: moon lit up the world, and the wind blew the 571 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: shadows of the trees against the wall. Behind her. Two 572 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: flares sat on her lap. The wolves arrived and circled 573 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: the house. There was no meat for them, not unless 574 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: Sarah decided to die like Josephine. They bleed, Josephine said. 575 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: Sarah saw her reflection in the window, but didn't turn 576 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: to look back at her friend, her lover of sorts. 577 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: They burrow, they break the bone, who, Sarah asked? The pines, 578 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: the land, yeah, and the moon, and the snow shore shore, 579 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: Sarah said, And the wolves, the wolves. Sarah stood up 580 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: and looked at Josephine. The ghost stared at her, her 581 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: eyes moist with tears like they always were. Headlights broke 582 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: through the window ship. Sarah said. I thought I'd have longer. 583 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: Everyone always does. Sarah looked at the gas cans, bright 584 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: red and plastic and out of place by the door. 585 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: She couldn't do it to Darnell. There were pills enough 586 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: in the bedroom of course, she could avoid prison. At least. 587 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: She didn't want to die, but it was bound to happen. Eventually. 588 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: She walked up the stairs, her boots heavy on the 589 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: ugly faded carpet. She walked into the bedroom, opened the closet, 590 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: box after box of sleeping pills, A good night's rest, 591 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: of a long night's rest. She turned and saw two 592 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: things at once, Josephine on the chair by the window 593 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: and the poster on the wall visible through Josephine's translucence. 594 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 1: We don't have to win, we just have to survive. 595 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: Are you real? Sara asked, I need to know, and 596 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: I need to know right the funk? Now, what do 597 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: you think? Are you real? Our ghosts real? Is the 598 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: tunnel reel? A car door slammed out of time? I 599 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: love you, Sara nails. Josephine said that was real enough. 600 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: I love you too. Sara sprinted for the hallway, careene 601 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: down the stairs and ran out the side door of 602 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,919 Speaker 1: the house, grabbing her coat from the chair as she went. 603 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: The flares and the pills spilled from her hands into 604 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: the snow. The wolves stood back, nervously watching her. Headlights 605 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: came from the front of the house. She followed the 606 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: wolf tracks around back. The wolves followed her at a distance. Curious, dispassionate, 607 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: Sarah traced the tracks down into the gully that marked 608 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,240 Speaker 1: the end of the yard. They only ran another twenty 609 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: feet before they stopped suddenly, at the side of a 610 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: boulder set against the ravine's wall. The wolves den in 611 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: the distance. There was shouting, then howling, then shooting. Then 612 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: a wolf screamed. It wouldn't be long. Sarah had always 613 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: been small for a boy, and she got down onto 614 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: her belly, and she squeezed between the rock and the 615 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: earth and made it into the den, though it ripped 616 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: her coat and soaked her in snow. She turned on 617 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: her flashlight. There were the bones, animal bones, animal bones, 618 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: and a human as an animal too, And there were 619 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: the old bones and the skull. Josephine was real, and 620 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: she given herself to the wolves. Past the midden was 621 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: a tunnel waist high cut by human hands into the earth, 622 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: reinforced with old timber. Bootleggers tracks lead here. A voice 623 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: called from just outside, a man's voice, low and angry. 624 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: People get angry. The land doesn't I can't fit, though 625 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: this will fit, another man said Sarah heard gas and 626 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: turned to look as a metal canister rolled into the 627 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: den smoke. She turned her back on it and crawled. 628 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 1: She crawled through the tunnel, which was endless until it ended. 629 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: She came up in a part of the wood she'd 630 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: never seen before, and the half moon showed her the path. 631 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: The path, too, was endless, until it ended at the 632 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: shore of the lake. The lake was frozen over and 633 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: the rowboat had rotted through, and she set out on 634 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: foot across the ice. It creaked and it cracked, and 635 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: it held. The bike's engine turned over and it filled 636 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: the world with its roar, and Sarah Nails took off 637 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: up a gravel road. She reached a fork, and she 638 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: took out her compass. North. Somewhere up north was a border, 639 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: and beyond that border was hope. Not a lot of it, 640 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 1: but maybe enough. Look at you ending your story hopefully. Yeah, 641 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: as I told you, it's the utopian story and the compass. 642 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: It was a good gift, I know, I know, exactly 643 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 1: better than a gun in this particular circumstance, probably for 644 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: the average person. If you're thinking to yourself, gunn or compass, 645 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: spooky but hopeful. Thanks, that's kind of Like, that's kind 646 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: of you, Margaret. I picked the name killed Joy at 647 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: a younger stage in my life before it became a 648 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: professional optimist who tells people about how it's worth doing things. Yeah, 649 00:39:54,360 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: all going north towards the hope. I love that. Yeah, Yeah, 650 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: it's funny even like some of the stories that were 651 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: written earlier in like the this book has a bunch 652 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: of stories written over the course about five or six years, 653 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: and some of the earlier ones end a little bit 654 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: less hopefully. Um, and that absolutely just relates to like 655 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: where I was at when I was writing these given stories. 656 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: Sarah cool people who did cool stuff. Yeah, be like Sarah. 657 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: Don't do anything illegal ever, obey all the laws. Wait wait, 658 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: I have a better one. Don't do things just because 659 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: someone that talks to you on a podcast suggested you 660 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: do them. That's what I got co signed, co signed 661 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: so hard. Oh my goodness, this is really great market 662 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 1: and a great story. Uh do you wanna plug where 663 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: it's from one more time? Well, it's from my new 664 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: book We Won't Be Here Tomorrow, available from a K Press, 665 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: which is a collection of short fiction with stories like 666 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: this one. If you want to hear some of the 667 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: other stories you can actually listen to about a year 668 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: ago on it could happen here, But you could search 669 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: Margaret Kiljoy it could happen here or something, and you 670 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: probably find two stories I wrote there also that are 671 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: also in this book. But there's so many more. Besides 672 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: so many stories. I don't know why I'm trying to 673 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: make this sound spooky this Halloween. Halloween. 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