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Speaker 1: everyone that has. Okay, the big story of the weekend, which,

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Speaker 1: let's face it was kind of an eye opener. I

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Speaker 1: they gave him? How much was Odell Beckham Junior? That

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna get that much money. Well, Odell Beckham,

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Speaker 1: A lot of teams typically draft guys really high that

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Speaker 1: all these boxes and listen. The Ravens, however, they stumbled

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Speaker 1: lot of other stuff, right paid Manning, Tom Brady, what

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Speaker 1: a visit, of watching him play live in games, of

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Speaker 1: seeing him at the Senior Bowl in three or four years,

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Speaker 1: the guy that you think might be really good might suck.

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Speaker 1: And the guy that you think kind of stinks might

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Speaker 1: be really good. And it's the same formula every single year.

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Speaker 1: You see these mock drafts which people that talk shit

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Speaker 1: about mock drafts. For the most part, a high percentage

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Speaker 1: of players in that first round mock draft end up

436
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Speaker 1: going in that first round. Now, just because a guy

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Speaker 1: goes in the first round, like I always say about

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Speaker 1: the round, doesn't necessarily determine where the guy is going

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Speaker 1: to be in three or four years. That is just

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Speaker 1: his value. If you want to draft this play, you

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Speaker 1: have to take him in the top fifteen. Let's say.

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Speaker 1: That does not mean he's gonna be some Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame player, and a lot of teams may be in

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Speaker 1: a given draft don't even like that player, but that

445
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Speaker 1: is his value, right. Listen. You can go see as

446
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Speaker 1: many homes as you want, right, and you can walk

447
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Speaker 1: into homes like I would never buy this home with

448
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Speaker 1: the home necks of that house sold for whatever, that

449
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Speaker 1: home is going for a very very similar amount. And

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Speaker 1: there are certain characteristics like the moment you run slow.

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Speaker 1: People hate the measurable stuff, right, Like, oh, the forty

452
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Speaker 1: is so overrated. Well you could argue it is or

453
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Speaker 1: it isn't, but that does determine typically your market value

454
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Speaker 1: in that given draft, and you just have to determine

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Speaker 1: as a scout. Well, yeah, DeVante Adams and Keenan Allen

456
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Speaker 1: ran a little slow. Are those guys such great route runners?

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Speaker 1: They're going to be great players? And it turns out

458
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: they were right. DeVante became one of the best receivers

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Speaker 1: in the league currently is Keenan is gonna have a long,

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Speaker 1: long career, Probably not quite as good as DeVante's obviously,

461
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Speaker 1: but hell he never should have fall into the third round.

462
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Speaker 1: But there are a shitload of players who run slow

463
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Speaker 1: with similar measurements that can't get open right. So's it's very,

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Speaker 1: very difficult to do. And I just I love this

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Speaker 1: time of year with the gms that are inclusive with

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Speaker 1: their scouts because the scouts have done all the work

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Speaker 1: and this is a hard time when coaches who have

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Speaker 1: the least amount of exposure to any of the players right,

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Speaker 1: A lot of the coaches within the last I'm not

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Speaker 1: talking the head coach necessarily. I'm talking the assistance, the

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Speaker 1: position coaches and the coordinators who kind of get into

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Speaker 1: this process right around the combine. And you might hear

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Speaker 1: a story from a coach on that guy's college staff.

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Speaker 1: You might watch a tape that immediately get you to

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Speaker 1: fall in love with the guy or vice versa not

476
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Speaker 1: to like the guy, and those guys start pounding the table.

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Speaker 1: And let's face it, even if the GM runs the operation,

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Speaker 1: the head coach is usually closer with his position coaches

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Speaker 1: than he is with the scouts that don't even live

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Speaker 1: in the building. So there are a lot of voices

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Speaker 1: coming from a lot of different angles and it kind

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Speaker 1: of all comes to fruition in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: So the GM's job is to kind of balance that,

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Speaker 1: to talk coaches off a ledge, to push back, but

485
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Speaker 1: also like take in their feedback, especially guys over their

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Speaker 1: careers in that building that have proven to be good evaluators,

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Speaker 1: because listen, we talk a lot of shit about GM's

488
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Speaker 1: being hit or mist of their job. For the amount

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Speaker 1: of coaches in the league who I would consider, and

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Speaker 1: I bet my buddies in the league would agree, who

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Speaker 1: are quote unquote good evaluators is probably less than fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: So just because you're pounding the table for a player

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Speaker 1: does not mean you know what you're talking about. And

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Speaker 1: that's something that you kind of have to you gotta

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Speaker 1: take it all into account, right and try to balance

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Speaker 1: that out. And listen, sometimes position coaches or coordinators can

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Speaker 1: get in the owner's ear, because at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, the owner is just some rich fan, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's not like he can break down the

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Speaker 1: coverages or the routes he's running. But the moment you

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Speaker 1: know your wide receiver coach that he might like a

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Speaker 1: lot and he's definitely paying a lot, usually wide receiver

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Speaker 1: coach is making like five hundred's starts telling you, man,

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Speaker 1: I love this guy, we should draft him in the

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Speaker 1: third round. Well, then maybe he brings it up to

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Speaker 1: the GM or the head coach. So there's a balancing

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Speaker 1: act and it's just a really really fun time a year.

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Speaker 1: And that's why when I see the headline Bjean Robinson

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Speaker 1: and I think we've been talking about this for a

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Speaker 1: long time. Running back value. Is it worth taking a

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Speaker 1: running back really high in the draft. It's been proven

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Speaker 1: over time that you can take a running back really

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Speaker 1: high and that guy can be a really good player.

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Speaker 1: Right Remember when Todd Gurley those couple of years after

515
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Speaker 1: he came back from his ACL how good he was

516
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Speaker 1: first couple of years of Zeke, I thought this guy

517
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Speaker 1: was gonna be Julian Edelman. I was wrong, And I

518
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Speaker 1: love Julian Edelman. But he's just a better player. It's

519
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. When he went eighth, I thought that pick

520
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Speaker 1: was nuts. You can take running backs really high and

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Speaker 1: have them become really, really good players. But the one

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Speaker 1: thing consistently in the draft, it's why for the most part,

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Speaker 1: I'm always anti taking like a guard in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he can take Quenton Nelson and he

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Speaker 1: can be a Hall of Fame player. But when I

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Speaker 1: look at the rest of the d draft, you can

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Speaker 1: find guards in the third, fourth, fifth, sixth round. Same

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Speaker 1: with centers. Well, just it's no different in running backs.

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Speaker 1: How often running backs get drafted in the third fourth.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Pacheco went in the seventh round and was fucking

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Speaker 1: dominating for the Kansas Chiefs down the stretch. He was

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Speaker 1: awesome in their run so far. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: really count Jamal Charles because he doesn't really you know,

534
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Speaker 1: carry over to the Mahomes era. But of the Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Pacheco felt like he kind of changed the game

536
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Speaker 1: for them, right, gave them a physical running back and

537
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Speaker 1: that's honestly not something Andy's had in a while. And

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Speaker 1: they got him in the seventh round, So Bejan Robinson,

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Speaker 1: who a lot of people in the NFL, and rightfully so,

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Speaker 1: I have buddies that have gone through Texas. They say

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Speaker 1: this guy's a stut. He is a stut. You could argue,

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Speaker 1: beside Jalen Carter, he's the second most talented guy in

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Speaker 1: the draft. And I wouldn't argue that, Like in some drafts,

544
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Speaker 1: running backs might be the most talented guy in a pool,

545
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Speaker 1: which is never really ideal. You should have some other players.

546
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Speaker 1: But I would have a formula or at least a

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Speaker 1: stance that, like, I'm not taking running backs in the

548
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Speaker 1: first round just be a non starter for me. And

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't get overwhelmed with quote unquote talent, right because

550
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: I can always find guys every single draft. Last year,

551
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Speaker 1: the Texans Pierce fourth round stud, the dude. The Falcons

552
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Speaker 1: took I think the BYU running back in the six

553
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Speaker 1: or seventh round stud obviously Pachaco, and they're just examples.

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Speaker 1: It's not one of those where it's like, you know,

555
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: Brock Purty kind of an outlier, mister irrelevant, really good quarterback. Obviously,

556
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Speaker 1: you're not going to find quarterbacks for the most part

557
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Speaker 1: in like the sixth seventh round who becomes starting quarterbacks

558
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Speaker 1: and who knows. I don't even know Brock Purty could

559
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Speaker 1: be a starting quarterback. Time will tell. Obviously, Tom Brady's

560
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: an all time outlier. It's why forever, the Dak Prescott's,

561
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Speaker 1: the Cousins, Russell Wilson the best version of that, Like

562
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Speaker 1: those were rare to get legit franchise quarterbacks in the

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Speaker 1: third or fourth round. I would just have a simple

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Speaker 1: philosophy of if anyone is even close at offensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: at anything on the defensive line corner, I'd even say

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Speaker 1: tight end, Like I'm taking those guys in the first

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Speaker 1: round over a running back, even if that means, like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Dejan Robinson could be a pro bowler

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Speaker 1: as a rookie. One thing I think that good gms

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Speaker 1: and good teams do is kind of understand the short term,

571
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Speaker 1: because in the short term you can look foolish into

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Speaker 1: draft right pass on a guy who's immediately sweet and

573
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Speaker 1: part of the draft isn't necessary. Like free agency, I

574
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Speaker 1: signed mcglinchay and find the Denver Broncos he better be

575
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Speaker 1: good right now, which that's still one of the craziest

576
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Speaker 1: contracts ever. But he's got to be my starting right tackle,

577
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Speaker 1: and for that money, he's got to be an above average,

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Speaker 1: closer to a pro bowler than average, right or else

579
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Speaker 1: it's just a terrible contract because I'm allocating so much money.

580
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Speaker 1: We're in a draft. It's not always about the first year.

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Speaker 1: Like sometimes it's about like two years down the line.

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Speaker 1: Look at the Detroit Lions are a good example. Last

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Speaker 1: year they took Jamison Williams coming off a torn acl

584
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Speaker 1: who didn't really play to the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: Jamison Williams draft pick was not about twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: It's about twenty three, twenty four, twenty five. Right. Ideally

587
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Speaker 1: when you draft a guy in the first round, you

588
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Speaker 1: want him to impact that his rookie season, Jamar Chase Waddle, Hutchinson, whoever. Right,

589
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Speaker 1: But it's really about like think about Nick Bosa. The

590
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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers took number two overall. Yeah, he helped

591
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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen they got to the Super Bowl and

592
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: it was it was sweet, right, and he was an

593
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Speaker 1: impact player, but like it was about the big picture.

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Speaker 1: He became a Defensive Player of the Year. He's a

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Speaker 1: guy that you want to give a huge contract extension too, Right,

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Speaker 1: you need the guy to have an upside, and I

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00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: just think at running back, it's just proven time and

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Speaker 1: time again that I couldn't take him in the first round.

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Speaker 1: And I'll listen, I haven't studied him really, but I've

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Speaker 1: talked to enough people and I watched them. I mean, dude,

601
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Speaker 1: just stud right in every single year. There are guys

602
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Speaker 1: I guess not every single year, but we have history

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Speaker 1: in the NFL of these really really good players like

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Speaker 1: b Genre. I could have a huge impact really quickly.

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Speaker 1: It's just really hard to sustain that for a long

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Speaker 1: period of time. Another thing I've seen is I've just

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of you know, in with coaching, whether

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Speaker 1: it be position coaches, coordinators or obviously head coaches. Those

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Speaker 1: guys cycle like their contracts and at the end of

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Speaker 1: the season. So it's why you see a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys that get fired. It's not even just head coach,

612
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Speaker 1: position coaches at the end of either their playoff run

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Speaker 1: or the regular season when teams you know, don't make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. We're in scouting and listen, I can attest

615
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Speaker 1: to this because it happened to me. You are relieved

616
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Speaker 1: of your duties or you don't have your contract renewed,

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Speaker 1: or extended or whatever after the draft. And I think

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Speaker 1: one thing I've seen with Sean Payton, who you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't really know how much Belichick may because I

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Speaker 1: would imagine Andy Reid, you know, if I'm if I'm

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, like I can't make less than this guy.

622
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Speaker 1: But John Payton clearly is one of the time two

623
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Speaker 1: or three highest paid coaches in the league, making eighteen

624
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Speaker 1: million dollars. But it's not even that he's making eighteen

625
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: million dollars, like Sean Payton's the boss, right, the boss?

626
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Speaker 1: And just because you have a title. And I'll never

627
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Speaker 1: forget living with a buddy that worked in finance about

628
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: a decade ago, he really really fought for a title

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Speaker 1: at you know, one of the big banks, like he

630
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: was in commercial real estate, and he's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was so meaningless my title. What I should you

632
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: could have called me an intern. I should have fought

633
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: for power slash money. That's all that really matters, right,

634
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Speaker 1: And I think George Peyton right now, the Broncos general manager,

635
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: who like a Ballard, was in the cycle for a

636
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Speaker 1: long period of time and was a guy people went after,

637
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: was a guy thought it was inevitable was going to

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Speaker 1: be a general manager, and he eventually became one and

639
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: got to hire his own coach, and then it was

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00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: a disaster. Now part of the reason they hired Nathaniel

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Speaker 1: Hacket last years, I thought they were gonna get Aaron

642
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Speaker 1: Rodgers and they ended up getting Russell Wilson and it

643
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: blew up in their face. And because of it, and

644
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: obviously they got new owners who have long checkbooks and

645
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: a ton of cash. Those guys hired Sean Payton. And

646
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: one thing to keep an eye on is you think

647
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: Sean Payton's just going to have a guy that he

648
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: doesn't know when this is his last job, Like he's

649
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: this is it and it's one of the premier franchise

650
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: in the league. He's getting paid a ton of money

651
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: be a general manager. Like I don't know this, I

652
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: don't have any inside information, but I think that feels

653
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Speaker 1: like I wonder if we get a new general manager

654
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: in there come, you know, after the draft, and you

655
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: look around in the league some of these new coaches,

656
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: some of these players, and I was reading some of

657
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: Albert Brier did a mailbag like get ready, there's gonna

658
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: be some turnover and it's not quite as popular, and

659
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: the headlines don't unless it's a super famous general manager.

660
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: Do what coaching? You know, talking about guys on the

661
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: hot seat black Monday, and then there's nothing quite like coaches,

662
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: because let's face it, when when these general managers get

663
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Speaker 1: hired Assie Most and fort Ran Carthon right this office,

664
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Speaker 1: you don't know really know who those guys are. We

665
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: just don't. And the one thing is, even if you

666
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: do know who those guys are, Like you're a diehard

667
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: NFL fan, you follow that individual team of that guy

668
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: that gets a job, you don't really know, like is

669
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: he good at his job? What's he like? I'll never forget.

670
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Speaker 1: One thing I love about what I do now relative

671
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: to when I worked in football, is no one knew

672
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: if I was any good or not. No one had

673
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: any clue, like is this guy a good scout? This

674
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: guy hard worker? What was this guy's deal? No one

675
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: has any clue but the people in that building. Yet

676
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: everything I've done since I've left football, whether it was

677
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: my radio show or now in the podcast world, you know,

678
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: like I'm either good, I'm not good. My podcast generate revenue, right,

679
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: I got good takes, I'm entertaining. I get a lot

680
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: of people to listen whatever, Like it's very quantifiable. I'm

681
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: in control of that. And that's what I think in

682
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: the world of scouting, right, you don't control all that

683
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: much stuff because the moment a coach comes in that

684
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: makes way more and was hired because you screwed up

685
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: a higher Good luck, buddy, right. And the one thing

686
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: is George Peyton might be good at his job, but

687
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: the only thing is if Sean Payton fires him, which

688
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: they won't make it sound like that, but that's will

689
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: be what happened. The only thing he'll ever be remembered

690
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: for again, especially if Russell Wilson's career never returns, will

691
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: be for making one of the worst trades in the

692
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: history League and having John Schneider, who has a pretty

693
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: long resume of success, absolutely fleecing him, like I mean,

694
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: destroying him in a trade. And like a lot of

695
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: gms if you get to do it for a long time,

696
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: like Hawry Roseman's got a lot of transactions on his belt.

697
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: There's done a lot of moves, John Lynch, now it's

698
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: been there seven years, a lot of moves. Let's sneed

699
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: ton of moves, right, see you go this one worked,

700
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: this one didn't work. Payden really have the one, and

701
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: that one, if it doesn't get turned around, will be

702
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: really really ugly, and something that's unless they get lightning

703
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: in a bottle, will be something that's very very hard

704
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Speaker 1: to overcome. So a lot of scouts that have new coaches,

705
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: potentially new personnel people, it's just kind of a shitty time.

706
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: Like I'll never forget that feeling of just kind of

707
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: knowing I was in trouble, but I was young. I

708
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. Now it depends some scouts

709
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: are older and have more connections, you feel good. I've

710
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: always believed this. If they don't want you there, you

711
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: shouldn't want to be there, Like that's that's not a

712
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: way to live. Life's too short, right, and it's it's

713
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: a lesson that I learned the best thing that ever

714
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: happened to me. But at the time, right, you're like,

715
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Speaker 1: I'm getting fired, Like all I've ever done in my

716
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: life is achieved. And my family and friends don't work

717
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: in sports, so they're like, wait, you get fired, that

718
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: usually means you're bad at your job, or you show

719
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: up late or whatever you like, that's not the case.

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00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: New personnel people Jim Kelly doesn't like me, thought Matt

721
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: Barkley was good, and you know, I could see Peyton

722
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: thinking if he does get fired, like I never even

723
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: got really a fair chance. And I'd argue, you hired Hackett,

724
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: and you can say that it was couched in the

725
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: move happened, because it was all about the next move.

726
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: But that move didn't happen, and it had major ripple effects.

727
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: And you know, you make a move of that magnitude

728
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work out, Like, I don't feel that

729
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: much sympathy. A couple other nuggets I saw. There's a picture.

730
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Speaker 1: You know a lot of guys in the off season

731
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: live in Los Angeles. Don't totally blame them. I mean

732
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: it's as someone you know, born and raised in northern California,

733
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: used to talk a ton of shit about LA right,

734
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: and it was mainly sports related. I hated the Dodgers,

735
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: hated the Lakers, hated the Lakers. And then I've gone

736
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: down there a couple of times in my in my thirties,

737
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: especially the last like three or four years, when I've

738
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: had a little more money, stayed in a little nicer areas.

739
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I got kind of get it Manhattan Beach,

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00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: Newport Beach. Even Listen, I'm no Hollywood snob, but you

741
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: drive through the hills of Hollywood, You're like, damn, some

742
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: pretty sweet pads. I get it. It's it's just nicer

743
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: in northern California. Not really debatable. It just is they

744
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: got the ocean. We kind of do, but not really.

745
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: It's really dreary, ugly and cold, like it ain't cold

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Speaker 1: in La. Now. Listen, I'm I've actually left California, but

747
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: if I ever were to go back, it would be

748
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: straight to Newport Beach, right and hopefully be like Freddy

749
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: couple's neighbor, play golf with them. But UCLA, they they've

750
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: always got, you know, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson and these

751
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the offseason train there because a lot of

752
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: them have off season homes, you know, on the ocean. Uh,

753
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: not a bad place to you know, spend a couple

754
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: of months. And there was a picture, there was this

755
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: video they went viral and forty nine or you know

756
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: social media land of Trey Lance working on his mechanics

757
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: and he's working out with Patrick Mahomes and UCLA they

758
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: got this guy to flip. His name is Dante Moore,

759
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: and I don't pretend to be some you know, I'm

760
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: not Rivals dot com encyclopedia here, but I fallow enough

761
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: of the big time programs. When there's a name or two,

762
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn. This guy was supposed to go to Oregon,

763
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: big five star recruit, fourth overall player in the country,

764
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: flipped last minute and went to UCLA. A big, big

765
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: get for Chip Keller. And I just knew, highly touted

766
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: guy could have gone anywhere. Just watched some of his highlights.

767
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: Very talented. This picture of him standing next to Trey

768
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: Lance at Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes like twenty eight years old.

769
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Speaker 1: Dude has been lifting in the NFL, eating like a

770
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: pro athlete now for five six years. Trey Lance has

771
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: been in the NFL several years, and naturally he's a

772
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: pretty big dude. This guy's right between him and doesn't

773
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: look that different from the two of them. Then I

774
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: googled how old is this guy? He was born in

775
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. He's seventeen years old like UCLA. Honestly,

776
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: he kind of looks like Caleb Williams physically, He's thick.

777
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Caleb's got a better arm just based on this YouTube highlight,

778
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: but holy Cannoli, this guy looks like a beast. Keep

779
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: an eye on Dante Moore, just based on one picture

780
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: standing next to Mahomes and standing next to Trey Lance.

781
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: The Titans signed Jeffrey Simmons, who I don't really think

782
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: they had a choice, Like, what are you gonna do

783
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: let one of the better players you've had in recent

784
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: memory leave the door? Because you did that with A. J. Brown.

785
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean you didn't let him leave, but you definitely

786
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: opened the door and traded him. So new GM, but

787
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: this is a no brainer. You just don't trade guys

788
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: of this talent. I think the back last two years,

789
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Speaker 1: he's been a second team All Pro. He's a beast.

790
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, absolute stud, no brainer, four years, like ninety

791
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: million bucks. Probably one of the easiest contracts they'll ever do.

792
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: And last, but not least, Kyler Murray was he was cleared,

793
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: not cleared to play football, but cleared to like start training,

794
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: start rehab. I'd say that's pretty positive. I think it's

795
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: thirteen weeks since the surgery, so we'll see. I mean,

796
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: this is a guy, it's April tenth. A lot of

797
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: people don't think he's gonna be ready for the season.

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Speaker 1: You know, depending on how the season goes, would they

799
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Speaker 1: thank the year That would put them in a weird

800
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: situation given that they would you know, if they got

801
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: the number one or number two overall pick, will they

802
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: just take a quarterback? New GM? But this guy healthy.

803
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: I saw Steve Kim, you know, the former GM had

804
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: said on Chris Long's podcast that you know, off the field,

805
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: you know Kyler, you know the tape study, some of

806
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: that stuff is an area for growth, Like, you know,

807
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: if that's going to be an area for growth, that's

808
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: one of the worst contracts of all time. How do

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00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: you give a quarterback that much money who needs to

810
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: work on the intangible stuff of playing quarterback? Right? I

811
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: get it, if you know, we could work on the

812
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: accuracy a little bit, or you know, certain plays he

813
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: can prove on, but like doesn't like studding tape, which

814
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: he said that was a room for growth this year.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just a fascinating situation with Kyler Murray.

816
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: That contract feels like it has a potential to age

817
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: very very poorly. I know most people in the league

818
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: think they're the worst team, not just on paper, but

819
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: just the whole situation. It could just be an utter disaster.

820
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: But if it's an utter disaster, he's contracts an utter disaster.

821
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that thing ages, because right now

822
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like it's aging, you know that gracefully. Okay,

823
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: let's dive into a little thing that we like to

824
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: call the middle Cough mail Bag at John middle Cough

825
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: is the Instagram handle. Direct Messages, also known as the dms,

826
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: are wide freaking open. Fire on in there and get

827
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Speaker 1: your question answered here on the podcast, and we put

828
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Speaker 1: out a mail bag a mailbag only on Sunday during

829
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: Master's Sunday, and we throw one on here at the

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Speaker 1: podcast on Tuesdays as well. Let's start with Michael Good Afternoon, Sir.

831
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Speaker 1: I read an article the Tom Jensen. In it, he said,

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Speaker 1: I don't know who Tom Jensen is. The forty nine

833
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: ers would trade Lance for a pick in the sixty

834
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Speaker 1: seventy range. The Texans have the sixty five and seventy

835
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: third pick, they could easily trade for Lance. This would

836
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: free them up to get Will Anderson at number two.

837
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Speaker 1: Question one, how close are the evaluations of the quarterbacks

838
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: have to be to make Lance worth trading? Two? How

839
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: much more weight should Cassario put into the hands on

840
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: experience of Ryan's and Slowe's over the scouting department? Three?

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00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: Where do you personally rank the value of Lance plus

842
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: Anderson versus Stroud Young Richardson in depth question? If the

843
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: Texans was Sloweck and Ryan passing on a cheap Lance,

844
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: should this be a warning flag to other teams? Sorry

845
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: for so many questions, Well, I don't know if you

846
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: listen to some like in depth podcasts. I'm a Will

847
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: Anderson fan. I've just watched him for a couple of

848
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: years now. I do think there is some pushback in

849
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: league circles how good he is now. I think he

850
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: is just going to be a really solid pro. But

851
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: even as a big fan, like he's not Von Miller,

852
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's not Nick Bosa, he's not Miles Garrett.

853
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: There is a chance that a lot of teams don't

854
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: view him as a top five pick, probably more in

855
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: like twelve to eighteen range. Now, I Betty goes you

856
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: know seven, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten, But I

857
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: don't think he's a lock to go on the top five. Now.

858
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: The thing with Lance is Slowick and Demico would know obviously,

859
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: trade very very well. Now, Demico now has a lot

860
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: of juice. I don't think that they are going to

861
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: force feed this one. Now, if Demico and Slowick loved him,

862
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: which I'm not sure they do, trade in a third

863
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: round pick form doesn't really tie you to the guy

864
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: for long, So you know, I would imagine. My best

865
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: guest on the Texans is, I don't know if they're

866
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: going to force feed a quarterback, you know. I mean,

867
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: I think if the guy they want is there at

868
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: number two, the betting markets now have Bryce Young likely

869
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: to go number one overall, It's hard to It's hard

870
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: to truly know unless the story breaks. You know, at

871
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: first we thought of CJ Stroud. Now the betting markets

872
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of leaned to Bryce. You know, do the Texans

873
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: like CJ would? Could? Could Cassario and Demiko take you know,

874
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson and Will levis there? You know, I don't know.

875
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: I think trading a third round pick if you thought

876
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: the guy was pretty good, is or has a lot

877
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: of upside, is an easy move to make now. I

878
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: also think that the most valuable part of all these

879
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks, including Trey Lance, when you draft him, is

880
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: their contract, So Trey Lance, you could get two years

881
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: to work with the guy. The thing is, with the

882
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, I don't think it's worth it for

883
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: them to trade, you know, pass pick whatever. Sixty two

884
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: is a third round pick. Brock Perty's injured, cannot throw currently,

885
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: he has an arm brace. It looks like he's Barry

886
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: bonds On and the other quarterback on their roster, who

887
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm bullish on is still got a long way to go,

888
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: is Sam Darnold. So to me, the forty nine ers,

889
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: it's not worth it for them. They have three third

890
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: round picks because of the minority hires. So for me,

891
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, the only way it would be

892
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: worth trading Trey Lance would be like a top forty pick,

893
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: and they're just not getting that right now. So given

894
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: that they still have quarterback questions, why wouldn't they just

895
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: work with the guy and see if there's anything left

896
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: and see if you see if there's anything to kind

897
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: of pull out of there that after these first two

898
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: years have been rocky, see if you can beat out

899
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. Now, if he doesn't beat at Sam Darnold,

900
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: like his value craters. But I think his value to

901
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: the Niners is clearly more than it is leaguewide because

902
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: to me, I would not trade him for pick I

903
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: don't know exact the exact pick seventy three. I guess

904
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: you wrote it down. Yeah, pick seventy three. I wouldn't

905
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: do that. If I was the forty nine ers or

906
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 1: pick sixty five, I just would mess which I would

907
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: When I say mess with him, like still try to

908
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: coach him up. See what he looks like this offseason

909
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: in a competition. Now, if you offered me pick thirty four,

910
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,959
Speaker 1: you know, I have to think about it, but even

911
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: then it'd be risky. So I think the Texans kind

912
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: of longer runway now with Demiko. You know, the last

913
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: two years, let's face it, have been embarrassing. David Culley's

914
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: an all timer. Now, no one would touch the job.

915
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 1: Even last year with the Watson situation was kind of tough.

916
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: But Demico's gonna be head coach for a while, and

917
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: I think you can kind of play it long view,

918
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, as shitty as it sounds, like if you

919
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: don't like one of the quarterbacks when you're picking it too,

920
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: like if the guy you like and you're like, you know,

921
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't love Will Levis or Anthony Richardson. We don't

922
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: think C. J. Stroud's good enough. I think trading back

923
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: would be on the table for the Houston Texans right

924
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: there are a lot of rumors that Arizona's open for business.

925
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: Well depending on who goes one, what if the Texans

926
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: are open for business? And I would imagine they would be,

927
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: especially with all the picks they have. This is hard

928
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: to hear because how bad the last couple of years

929
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: have been. But I think you've got to look at

930
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: it like the rebuild starts kind of now, like picking

931
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: the players with all these picks, with the head coach

932
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: that you have so kind of buckle up, which is

933
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: hard to hear because you guys have been so terrible.

934
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: But I think it's time to just see where Demiko

935
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: can take you. Question for the POD I'm not trying

936
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: to put a guy down, but how can a team

937
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: possibly take Bryce Young as the first or second quarterback

938
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: off the board? He put up good numbers, but playing

939
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: for either the best or second best team in the

940
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: country with arguably the best coach in the nation and

941
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: the best set of wide receivers in the nation minus

942
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: Ohio State, I think the pushback would be not this year.

943
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: Two years ago they had Jamison Williams and Menshi, so

944
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: they clearly were pretty good. But this year, I don't

945
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: think their skill guys were viewed anywhere near Ohio State

946
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: and a guy who's five seventy five, I want to

947
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: see him succeed, but it's just not common enough to

948
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: bet that highly on. If he went to North Dakota

949
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: State or another small school, I can't imagine he'd be

950
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: one as good and two thought of that high in

951
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: the draft. Would you take him one or two if

952
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: you needed a quarterback, or would you take a chance

953
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: on a bigger guy who had less to work with

954
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: in college I e. Richardson or Levis. Now I've said

955
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: over and over I lean big. I like my guys

956
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: to look like Josh Allen, to look like Justin Herbert.

957
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: I like building a football team just like I like

958
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: building a baseball team or a basketball team with size. Now,

959
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean there are outliers, right like Draymond Green.

960
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: Every year when he's healthy, he's in the mix to

961
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: be Defensive Player of the Year. He's like a six

962
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: sixth center. Right, Klay Thompson is taller than him. He's

963
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: an outlier, right, Like I like big, I like guys

964
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: that look like Jacob deGrom Right, but Tim Lenscom for

965
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: a couple of years was rattling off Si Young's Patro

966
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: Martinez was tiny, So there are outliers that are smaller.

967
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: In your example of what if he went to North

968
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: Dakota State, Well, I think the hard part about saying

969
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: that is he never would have gone in North Dakota State.

970
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: Why he was one of the best prospects in the country.

971
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: Why he's elite at his sport, elite, So to be

972
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: that highly touted at that size shows you how good

973
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: he is. Like his talent is all the stuff that

974
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: are hard to quantify football intelligence, seeing the field, understanding defenses, instincts,

975
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: playmaking ability, accuracy. Like as a football player, he's dominant.

976
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: The reason Trey Lance had to go to North Dakota

977
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: State and not a Power five program because no one

978
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: thought he was good enough. He wasn't a good enough prospect,

979
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Now, just because you're a good prospect or

980
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: not a good prospect does not determine your future success.

981
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to say just because Bryce was

982
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: a big prospect, and Bryce played at Alabama guarantees that

983
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good player, right Tua elite prospect

984
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: goes to Obama. I think we can debate him all

985
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: day long. Clearly is solid, but as the concussion issues,

986
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: but I think that also falls into the umbrella like

987
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: Bryce is he gonna get killed? You know? And I

988
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: know people who love him, and I know an executive

989
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: that does not like him at all and thinks that

990
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: the size is is such a huge red flag that

991
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: you can't overcome it. And it's just one of those debates.

992
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: It's just going to be one of those debates because

993
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: for the most part, when a guy walks in at

994
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: a quarterback as a quarterback and he's six three to

995
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: six five, big athlete can move like that guy, people

996
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: are gonna bet on that more often than not. But

997
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: I do think there are outliers. Now there's the old

998
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: adage of like you know, build, you keep drafting outliers.

999
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: You have a whole team of them, and that's when

1000
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: you get in trouble. So you keep making exceptions. You

1001
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: have a whole team full of exceptions. It's a hard balance.

1002
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't have the exact answer I think the guy's

1003
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: gonna be a really good player. But I'll be the

1004
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: first to acknowledge, like, if Jeffrey Simmons, you know, gets

1005
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: his hands on him, he could shove him to the

1006
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: ground hard and hurt him. Right. But I'd argue, if

1007
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons gets his hands on Justin Herbert, he could

1008
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: break his ribs too, because it's football, you know. Now

1009
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: he's he got hurt with his shoulder injury. Uh. You

1010
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 1: know the executive that wasn't that big of a fan

1011
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: of Bryce. His thing was, if you really watch him

1012
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: after he got hurt, he wasn't quite the same player.

1013
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: And his point was like, yeah, email guys get hurt

1014
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: that it's it's hard to get you know, keep dominating.

1015
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: But that's the concern. You know, bigger athletes sometimes heal faster. Again,

1016
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: in theory, these are not. This is why what makes

1017
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: the draft so difficult. I watch a lot of Alabama.

1018
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: Why I love watching the SEC. I think, as a

1019
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: player in a vacuum, if we can remove his height,

1020
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: he is the best quarterback Nick Sabans had by a

1021
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: wide margin. I think he's a dramatically better player than Tua.

1022
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: Even in college but you got a factor in like

1023
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: the NFL, and drafting is about more than just how

1024
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: good were you in college. It's about projecting. H you know,

1025
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: his arm I think is viewed as good, not great.

1026
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: So you're not alone. You were not alone. And I

1027
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: know people that are really high on Will Levis and

1028
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: there are some people that do not like Will Levis.

1029
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: It's what makes the draft so cool. Like I thought

1030
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: Will Levis was sweet coming into the year, so I

1031
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: watched some Kentucky games. It was not pretty. It was

1032
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: not pretty. But unlike Bryce, for example, who had Bill

1033
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: O'Brien and his coordinator, Will Levis had Rich Scangarrella, who

1034
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: I've said this over and over now it's not viewed

1035
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: as a good coordinator and got fired immediately after the season.

1036
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: And the other thing Will Levis fans will say, and

1037
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of more on the fence on Will Levis,

1038
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: like those type guys typically let you down, is like

1039
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: he did not have very good receivers. His best offensive

1040
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: player was a running back who was suspended earlier in

1041
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: the season. His offensive line was terrible. That's why in

1042
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: these draft meetings and I've seen it and I talked

1043
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: to buddies. When we're discussing players, you can beside like

1044
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: the occasional, you know, superstar player that's can't miss, right

1045
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: and Andrew Law, Miles Garrett, Like a guy that's just

1046
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: gonna be immediately good you can make a case or

1047
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: fight against. It's not just the middle round guys to

1048
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: get argued, like the top ten guys get argued, like

1049
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: is this guy gonna be that good? Remember Jamar Chase

1050
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: was a polarizing prospect. Micah Parsons went twelve or eleven, right,

1051
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: maybe twelve. I think Justin Fields won eleven. I think

1052
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: Bryce like, I think he's gonna go. You know, I'll

1053
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 1: be stunned if he doesn't go in the top two.

1054
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: Like I said, the betting markets now have him one.

1055
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I'm a fan, and I lean bigger,

1056
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: stronger athletes, but I think his ability to play outweighs

1057
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: his size concern. For sure, I would draft him. I'd

1058
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: be nervous drafting. But you know what made me nervous

1059
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Speaker 1: in football? I hated the anxiety. I still do as

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00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: like when I go to forty nine er practice when

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00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: a guy's injured. It's just I hate that feeling. I

1062
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: don't know how general managers coaches get numbed to it,

1063
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: but executives because it's not like you're even coaching the team.

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00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: You just kind of standing there watching, no different than

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00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: you would as a fan or me as a podcaster.

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00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: If you go to practice when the guys just lying

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00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: there on the grounds, it's a terrible feeling. No different

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00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: obviously in games too, it sucks. You just never know.

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00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: There's no formula, and maybe some teams have algorithms that

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00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: give them the likelihood. You know, obviously, if a guy's

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00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: torn as ACL a couple of times, you would say, like,

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00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: you can't be surprised when towards a cl But there

1073
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: are guys that never get injured in college, never been

1074
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: injured in high school, immediately come to the pros and

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00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: turn a cl And then there are guys that have

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00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: been injured multiple times in college go on to have

1077
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: durable careers. I mean, you're just taking educated guesses that

1078
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: it's hard to be that educated because you have no

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00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: fucking clue. My husband, Daniel is a big fan of

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00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: your podcast. He listens to every episode of three and

1081
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: Out and Go Up. He would was recently injured during

1082
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: military training and is stuck in bed recovering from surgery.

1083
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: I know your podcasts have been a good way for

1084
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: him to pass the time while recovering. Can you please

1085
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 1: give him a shout out America. We appreciate you, Daniel,

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00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: You're the man. Get better. Hopefully laying in bed. Hopefully

1087
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: you're not injured too badly, just you know, maybe a

1088
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: knee injury or something you recover gonna be okay. As

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00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: a mailback question, what NFL player is poised to make

1090
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: a good, big comeback from an injury last season? It's

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00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: a good question. I'd have to think about the guys

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00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: who were injured around the league. You know, listen, I

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00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: guess he didn't miss that much time during the season.

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00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: Did you just miss the last game of the season.

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00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: But Russell Wilson had, you know, a knee surgery after

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00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: the year, and a lot of people you know that

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00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: defend Russell say, you know he was banged up. He

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00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: wasn't right all year. He's not gonna have excuses into that.

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Speaker 1: Twenty three. He's got a legitimate offensive coach, he's got

1100
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: offensive weapons. Their team in theory should be pretty talented. Hell,

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Speaker 1: it was talented last year. He's either gonna be like

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00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: his arrow, he's just done and he's just gonna be

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00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: a shell of himself. And that Russell Wilson that we

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00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: saw and listen, I enjoyed. Russell is one of my

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00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: favorite players to watch of my life because he reminded

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00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: me so much of kind of like a Steve Young,

1107
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: but he threw this beautiful deep ball. Not that Steve didn't,

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00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: but Russell just was even better. He was just such

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00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: an incredible playmaker. If that guy's gone kind of sad,

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Speaker 1: But if I told you like he's good next year,

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00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: that'll be one of the topics, I mean the heavy

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00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: topics of the NFL because that team is gonna play

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00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: in a bunch of big games. They're gonna be on

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00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: primetime several times, especially early in the season with Sean

1115
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: Payton back. I'm fascinating on the Denver Broncos, I really am.

1116
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: I think that division everyone's gonna pick that we should.

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00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna win the division they always do. But the

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00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: other three teams, like Brandon Staley, I mean hot seat

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00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: when the season starts, like you gotta win a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders are Josh McDaniels, what the hell is gonna

1121
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: happen there and this Sean Payton Russell Wilson marriage. I

1122
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: think that division, man, I'm I got a soft spot

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Speaker 1: for it, right Like I'm an NFC West guy, AFC

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00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,959
Speaker 1: West guy. I will preface this with I'm a huge

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Speaker 1: Seattle fan. Bobby Wagner isn't a borderline Hall of Famer.

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00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: He is a first ballot slam dunk that that backpack

1127
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: must have really offended. Keep up the great work and

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Speaker 1: love the show. Now, okay, let me just bring up

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Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner. Who Listen when I said he he's a

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00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: borderline Hall of Famer, I wasn't trying to diminish his accomplishments.

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00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: I think he's an excellent player. He's a six time

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00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: first team All Pro and three time second team All Pro. Okay,

1133
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: and multiple time tackles leader NFL All Decades Team. You're

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00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: probably right, lock first ballot hall of Famer. He's definitely

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. So did I did I misspeak?

1136
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: Did I not hold him with enough reverence? You're probably right.

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00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: I mean there's some linebackers now, Patrick Willis's career was

1138
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 1: more short lived. One thing Bobby's gonna have is longevity, though,

1139
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: Let's face it, he's not quite as good as he

1140
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: once was. Still an excellent player, but I don't know

1141
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: if he's a first ballot slam dunk. He's definitely a

1142
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame slam dunk. So I will take that back.

1143
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame slam dunk. Yeah, I don't have ig,

1144
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: but my dog does, so I'm sending it from the

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01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: dog's account. Let's see the little doggie. It's a good

1146
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: looking pup. Yeah, very good looking pup. Okay, if Drake

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Speaker 1: and Caleb Williams were available in this draft, would they

1148
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: go one and two? And C J. Stroud and Bryce

1149
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: Young would go after them? Curious how these quarterbacks are

1150
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: since the consensus in last year's draft was that all

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01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks taken in the twenty twenty one draft, including

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01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: mac Jones, would go ahead of Pickett and the rest

1153
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks in twenty twenty two. Love the show, well,

1154
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: I do think, and I'm not gonna hear and pound

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Speaker 1: the table for Mac Jones, who, let's face it, a

1156
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: lot of reports coming out that Mac Jones gonna have

1157
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: to get a ship together. Kenny Pickett didn't go to

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01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, picked twenty, which is very very

1159
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: rare in a draft for a quarterback, a quarterback in

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: a quarterback league to not go to pick twenty. Now,

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01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: we'll see, maybe Kenny Pickett turns out to be you know,

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. I know a lot of Pittsburgh Steeler fans

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Speaker 1: are very bullish on him, and rightfully so. So we'll see.

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01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: Time will tell big year for Kenny Picktt because a

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01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna expect the Pittsburgh Steelers to

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01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: be back in the playoff mix, and if they are, he'll, obviously,

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Speaker 1: I would imagine, play pretty well to get him there.

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Speaker 1: When you look at this draft, there is zero debate

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01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: that Caleb Williams, I mean none, would be the number

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Speaker 1: one overall pick. I'd be lying if I said I

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Speaker 1: watched a ton of Drake May not the biggest like

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01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: North Carolina, I don't really watch that much ACC football,

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01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: but I watched enough and I talked to enough people

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Speaker 1: to say, yes, I'm not saying there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: debate this year, but I do think that a lot

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01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: of people are gonna talk about Drake May. You know

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Speaker 1: what happens in basketball sometimes, like Zion Williamson, felt like

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Speaker 1: a lock to go number one really since that Duke

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01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: season started, but by the end it was like, you know,

1180
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Speaker 1: John Morant, you know, he's definitely going number two, and

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01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: you could have debates in the war room. And I

1182
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 1: do think that that, assuming that he has another really

1183
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: good season, there's some of that going on with Drake.

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01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: I expect Halo to be one, but if Drake has

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01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: another big year, I bet he's thought of, like some

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01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: major every single year going number one overall, except in

1187
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: drafts with like Andrew Lux and Caleb Williams. So yes,

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that if those two

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Speaker 1: guys were in this draft, they would go above all

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Speaker 1: these guys. Now, I've said over and over I like

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Speaker 1: Bryce the most just because I think he's the best player,

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01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: but he's not a great prospect, like an all time prospect,

1193
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: because of his size. And it's not just his height, obviously,

1194
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: he's his weight. I mean, part of what makes Elway Manning.

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Speaker 1: And the thing with Peyton Manning, who became you know,

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01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: it felt like pretty early in his career like wasn't

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01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: a good athlete anymore. If you're a board, you know,

1198
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: or just like at the office and need something to

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01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: kind of pass the time. Just YouTube Peyton Manning Hennessey

1200
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: senior year. Why's that fucking guy move around? Actually pretty

1201
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: good athlete in college obviously, John Elway, great athlete, Andrew

1202
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: Luck great athlete, Trevor Lawrence fantastic athlete. Those guys, size, girth, arm,

1203
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: I mean they check every box right. Part of what

1204
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: makes for example, like the dude that's coming from France

1205
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: and the NBA, it's like, he's seven to four, he

1206
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: can shoot, he can run, he can jump right, Andrew Luck,

1207
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: he's six five, he's two forty, he can move, he's accurate.

1208
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: The arm part of what makes a great prospect is

1209
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: there aren't any holes. The majority of prospects have a question. Hell,

1210
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa, I remember when the Niners draft is like,

1211
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: well towards ACL in high school and then missed his

1212
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: junior year for ripping his growing and that was like

1213
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: he had an injury concerns and then ironically got drafted

1214
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: immediately hurt in like OTAs. I think he pulled a

1215
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: hamstring and then I think by a second year he

1216
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: got injured again. But you know, a couple of years later,

1217
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Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. Whatever you live with it.

1218
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: But most players, the overwhelming majority of sweet players have

1219
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: question marks. Right, It is very very rare to have

1220
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: a guy that's just like, this guy's perfect, right, that

1221
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: speaks for anyone? Right? How often do the best people

1222
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: in any field? The best coach like Belichick, personality not great,

1223
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: Steve Jobs pretty big asshole, right. I mean you could

1224
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: go around in the industry and be like, yeah, this

1225
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: guy's got some red flags and he's the best in

1226
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: his business, right, Like Patrick Mahomes, what's his red flag?

1227
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: Honestly doesn't really feel like he has one great guy,

1228
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: great player, incredible playmaker, accurate, big arm, winner, dominant competitor.

1229
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 1: People love him. He's probably one of the rare ones,

1230
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: even Tom, Like Tom couldn't really move, No, it didn't matter,

1231
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: They've figured it out. But like, not the perfect player, right,

1232
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: you could argue Patrick Mahomes is much more the perfect player.

1233
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: I would say it's only not because like you give

1234
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: him a couple more inches, but like he already is

1235
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: the most unsoppable player going. So it's just it's a

1236
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: fun time a year. And then what makes this year

1237
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: unique is its drafts not great, right, and the draft's

1238
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: got some issues so, and that's most drafts do. But

1239
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: this it feels like the high high end players, there

1240
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: aren't as many of them, and you can knit pick

1241
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Will Anderson, whether it's some of

1242
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: the tight ends, whether it's the offensive lineman. I don't

1243
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: think it's a great offensive lineman draft. I mean it

1244
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: really makes a great draft, right is anytime there's several

1245
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that viewed as franchise quarterbacks. But are there a

1246
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: couple of franchise left tackles. Are there a couple of

1247
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: franchise edge rushers? Like can you get a draft with

1248
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson Trent Williams? Obviously these guys are in different drafts,

1249
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: but guys that can just be viewed ten year Pro

1250
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: Bowl level tackles, multiple All Pro level path rushers, a

1251
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: couple of sweet corners. Right, Can I get a corner

1252
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: that's just gonna be a lockdown corner for a long

1253
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: period of time? And a lot of times we view

1254
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: guys and this is what makes it so fascinating, is

1255
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: like this guy is going to be a lockdown corner

1256
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: for a long time, and then you drafted him like

1257
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: in the top ten and a couple years later, like

1258
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: this guy kind of stinks. This guy can't cover anybody.

1259
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: It's like, what are we doing? He's getting smoked every

1260
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: play happens all the time, man, So everyone will be

1261
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: excited for the most part on draft day, and then

1262
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: a couple of years later, if you're a fan of

1263
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: that given team that missed on the player, you'll hate

1264
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Speaker 1: the guy. You'll be like, can't wait to get rid

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Speaker 1: of them, and you have to either pay a free

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Speaker 1: agent or draft another guy at that position to try

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Speaker 1: to figure it out. Appreciate everyone listening. Let's have a

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Speaker 1: good week and we will the game plan. We'll have

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Speaker 1: a'll have a golf podcast out Wednesday, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: have another football podcast out at the end of the week.

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Speaker 1: Audios and the volume