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Speaker 1: leaders want. UH. The several countries got together, the G seven,

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Speaker 1: which would be Japan, Canada, Ninety Kingdom, France, Italy, Germany, US,

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Speaker 1: the whole crew. They have agreed to phase out the

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Speaker 1: use of fossil fuels by get this, the end of

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Speaker 1: the century, which sounds like a long time right here

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Speaker 1: we are in sixteen, but it's not very long at

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Speaker 1: all if you consider again the statistics we just said

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Speaker 1: about energy use. So there is increased energy consumption in

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Speaker 1: most of the world, but it's not quite in line

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Speaker 1: with it's not quite in line with some of the expectations.

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Speaker 1: So there there's more energy consumption, more people are using

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Speaker 1: fossil fuels in North America and on the continent of Africa. However,

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Speaker 1: in the European Union it's actually declining, which is which

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Speaker 1: is going to UH, which is gonna come back in

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Speaker 1: In several different shows we do later global oil production

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Speaker 1: growth over again, these are most recent numbers. We have

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Speaker 1: popped up by two million barrels a day. UH. Non

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Speaker 1: Opeque production increased by two point one barrels a day,

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Speaker 1: and that's the largest increase in the history of humanity.

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Speaker 1: Measuring this stuff So if we look at just the US,

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Speaker 1: specifically our friends at British Petroleum, Uh, according to their estimation,

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Speaker 1: the US is the world leader in both oil and

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Speaker 1: natural gas production, and we're regaining that title in oil

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Speaker 1: with the last time we had it was I love

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Speaker 1: how I'm saying we as though I get a check

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day for it. It's the royal.

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Speaker 1: It's the Royal we right, UH, and we're in the

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Speaker 1: US using the Royal. We look at it, look at US,

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Speaker 1: Laudi DA. The US produced eleven point six billion barrels

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Speaker 1: of oil in ten billion with a b H and

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Speaker 1: that overtakes both UH, Russia and Saudi Arabia who were

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Speaker 1: producing Uh. Saudi Arabia is producing eleven point five billion

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Speaker 1: barrels and a lot of people don't think about the

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Speaker 1: US out producing Saudi Arabian oil. And it's by a

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Speaker 1: slim margin, but still UH, it's still there. The current

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Speaker 1: state of legislation, as we said, G seven and other

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Speaker 1: countries have these big plans, big plans, right, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have We're gonna have solar energy that's super efficient, will

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Speaker 1: be powered by the sun and the wind and the

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Speaker 1: water like some kind of Captain Planet. Well, it's possible.

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Speaker 1: I think it's still possible, but it is absolutely it

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Speaker 1: is absolutely possible. They just need, you know, a couple

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Speaker 1: of trillion dollars to set all the infrastructure up, and

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Speaker 1: they were good. Yeah. I like the idea of combining

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Speaker 1: these different sources too. You know, you've got like when

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Speaker 1: the sun doesn't shine, you got the wind, when you

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Speaker 1: got with his water. I was reading a thing the

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Speaker 1: other week about how I think it's Portland. Of course,

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Speaker 1: um has installed turbines in the plumbing, like the city

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Speaker 1: of sewage pipes, so when people flush the toilet, it

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Speaker 1: turns these turbines and they usually to generate some amount

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Speaker 1: of electricity that gets fed into the grid. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: we know these solutions exists, just a matter of a

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Speaker 1: little innovation and a little bit of you know, investment.

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Speaker 1: But there's a given take to this because the push

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Speaker 1: for alternative energy often waxes and wanes based on the

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Speaker 1: price of a barrel of oil. So when oil was

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Speaker 1: a hundred dollars hundred u S dollars a barrel, than

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Speaker 1: any alternative source that could match that cost, that price

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Speaker 1: point makes sense. Now that the price of oil is plummeting,

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Speaker 1: there is less of an incentive, So what what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. That's doesn't mean it's impossible. Such a narrow

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Speaker 1: view of it, though, you know, I mean, it just

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Speaker 1: feels like you're not looking at the real issue. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, General you, the General you and the royal way.

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Speaker 1: We're starting an army of pronoun hypothetical army, hypothetical army.

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Speaker 1: But that, you know, that's a great point. That's something

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Speaker 1: that we're going to see happening over and over again

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Speaker 1: over the next few years. Right However, in the long term,

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Speaker 1: that's the goal. That's everybody's goal. It doesn't matter what

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Speaker 1: ideology there is, it is the goal is to create

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Speaker 1: some sort of energy source that is that frees us

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Speaker 1: from the strange uh, the strange cycle of fossil fuel.

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Speaker 1: And right now fossil fuel is it's still huge business.

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Speaker 1: You know, oil companies have fundamentally affected the direction of

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Speaker 1: human civilization, from the way nations are formed, to the

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Speaker 1: way they fall, from the which currency people around the

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Speaker 1: world use. And many times people will say that oil

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Speaker 1: companies are not playing even in the modern day, they're

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Speaker 1: not playing according to the rules, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into that right after we take a short break

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Speaker 1: and you're a message from our sponsors. Here's where it

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Speaker 1: gets crazy. So these ideas corporations covering up oil spills

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Speaker 1: fossil fuel leaks are not conspiracy theories, are conspiracy facts.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about a couple of examples here,

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Speaker 1: and we'd like to hear your opinion of this, especially

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Speaker 1: if you have personal experience with with these events. And

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Speaker 1: I have, uh somewhat, I have a little bit actually

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Speaker 1: vicariously from a previous let's call it previous life or something.

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Speaker 1: But the first one I want to talk about is

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Speaker 1: the deep Water Horizon spill. As some of our listeners

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Speaker 1: may not remember this, or maybe it wasn't big news

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Speaker 1: in your part of the world, but it sure wasn't ours.

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Speaker 1: So travel with us a two thousand and ten in

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Speaker 1: the Gulf of Mexico, one mile underwater. There's something called

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Speaker 1: the mir Condo oil well, and this is extracting. This

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Speaker 1: is built to extract, uh, some of those reservoirs we're

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Speaker 1: talking about, and this is a massive reservoir. Right. It's

527
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Speaker 1: good business until that is the well blows apart, which

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00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: is bad medicine for the semi submersible oil rig atop

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Speaker 1: the water a mile up extracting this oil. It's known

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Speaker 1: as the deep Water Horizon, and it explodes, killing eleven

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Speaker 1: workers Injuring seventeen and letting a massive deluge of oil

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Speaker 1: through the Gulf of Mexico for a long time, for

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Speaker 1: a very long time. This is for about eighty seven days.

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Speaker 1: This is a place where. This is a place where

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Speaker 1: a third of the US seafood arrives from. This is

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Speaker 1: a place where all along the shore there there each

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Speaker 1: there are small towns that rely on, you know, tourism.

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Speaker 1: The entire space is built on seafood and tourism. I

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Speaker 1: mean really that almost all of it. And BP, which

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Speaker 1: was the operator of deep Water Rising U immediately goes

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Speaker 1: into panic mode and they say, Okay, we're gonna hire

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Speaker 1: so many people, are gonna mitigate this disaster as best

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Speaker 1: we can, because we're talking about by the time it's

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Speaker 1: all said and done, we're talking about two d and

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Speaker 1: ten million gallons of oil, which is something that's hard

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Speaker 1: to visualize. Yeah, And so BP finds something they call

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Speaker 1: it disperse itt and they say we're going to put

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Speaker 1: out one point for million gallons of this dispersing, And

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Speaker 1: here's what the dispersing will do. It will, uh, it

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Speaker 1: will attach itself to the oil, and the water will

551
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Speaker 1: break that oil into droplets and disperse those droplets into

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Speaker 1: the vast reaches of the gulf so that it doesn't

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00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: reach the shore line. Yeah. So so we'll make it

554
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: less concentrated, and now it's not going to be such

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Speaker 1: a big deal because well, you know, not all the

556
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Speaker 1: shrimp are gonna get, you know, infected with oil. Didn't

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Speaker 1: also supposedly make it easier to like soak up using

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Speaker 1: some other materials that they had they would put right,

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Speaker 1: they would not NAT's exactly, but there was some sort

560
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Speaker 1: of material they would cast out that supposedly would like

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Speaker 1: actually soak up the oil the disperse It wasn't the

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Speaker 1: only thing that we're doing because again, this is just

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Speaker 1: so much oil. This is one of the largest spills

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Speaker 1: accidental spills in history, and so they were throwing everything

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Speaker 1: they could add it. And the best thing about this

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Speaker 1: disperson which its brand name or street name was Core Exit,

567
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Speaker 1: was that it was if you follow the right precautions, officially,

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Speaker 1: it was safe to use. So all these all these

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Speaker 1: employees who were hired to help combat this disaster, volunteered

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Speaker 1: or volunteers in many cases. Uh, we're also going to

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Speaker 1: be taken care of and and you know the residents

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Speaker 1: in affected areas. Everybody better core eggs at than oil, right,

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Speaker 1: at least that is until hundreds to thousands of workers

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Speaker 1: on the clean up started having strange ailments, you know,

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Speaker 1: muscle spasms, short term memory loss. And I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: about hopping in the car and forgetting where you're driving,

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Speaker 1: or walking into a room and forgetting why you walked in.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about hopping into a car realizing you're not

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Speaker 1: wearing pants, which is funny until it really happens to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't. These are symptoms that are similar to things too,

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Speaker 1: symptoms that were being experienced by veterans, Yeah, with like

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Speaker 1: the Gulf stuff. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's according to Michael Robochow,

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Speaker 1: Louisiana physician, and he was a former state senator. He

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Speaker 1: found a hundred and fourteen patients with these similar complaints,

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Speaker 1: and he said he's never seen this group being of

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Speaker 1: symptoms together skin problems in the logical impairments plus pulmonary problems.

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Speaker 1: At least until other people recognize this as so similar

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Speaker 1: to those who suffer from Gulf War syndrome, which maybe

589
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: we should cover to in an upcoming episode. So the

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00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: well is finally plugged. This is the biggest oil leak

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Speaker 1: in world's history, two hundred and ten million gallons of

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Speaker 1: oil into the Gulf of Mexico two d and ten

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Speaker 1: The thing is now. Despite the enormity of this disaster,

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Speaker 1: it's not often remembered even though it is one of

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Speaker 1: here's the thing it is one of. It leads to

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Speaker 1: one of the largest, most expensive corporate trials in US history.

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Speaker 1: While this stuff is happening, bp IS is trying to

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Speaker 1: mitigate the environmental damage, but they're also doing damage control

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Speaker 1: for their their public persona. Right, I'm pretty sure. I

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Speaker 1: just have to jump in and say, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: not the opinion and house of how Stuff Works or

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00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: any of our parent companies. Matt Frederick citing his opinion here,

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Speaker 1: I believe that the damage control began to save or

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Speaker 1: at least mitigate the effects on the company itself well

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Speaker 1: before anybody made calls about, you know, saving lives. And

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Speaker 1: that's just my opinion because it felt that way in

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Speaker 1: the steps that we're taking the correct it itself, the

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Speaker 1: disperse itt that was supposed to help people. You know,

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Speaker 1: we found out that it caused terrible things to humans

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Speaker 1: who are working with it. We also found out that

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Speaker 1: it didn't actually disperse anything. What it did is it

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Speaker 1: it clumped up with the oil and it sank it

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Speaker 1: to the bottom so that cameras couldn't see. Not to

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Speaker 1: mention the no fly zone that was instituted over top

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Speaker 1: of most of the Gulf of Mexico when it was happening.

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Speaker 1: I just get sorry, I get I get a little

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Speaker 1: I get upset because I remember when we were recovering

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Speaker 1: the we made a video about it, and I was

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Speaker 1: really deep into it, and I just, uh, there's so

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Speaker 1: many people who are affected by it. And then BP

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Speaker 1: ended up getting out of a lot of the money

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Speaker 1: that they're going to have to pay. But it does,

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Speaker 1: it does go on from there at least. Well, I

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad you you anticipated that we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the fun no fly zone, because that's gonna come up.

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Speaker 1: But I do have to respectfully disagree because companies of

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Speaker 1: this size have the ability to do both of those things.

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Speaker 1: Can currently you know, I I I am completely sure

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Speaker 1: that a plan exists for this sort of stuff on

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Speaker 1: the PR side as well as on the emergency response side,

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Speaker 1: because that has to be in place. Well, it should

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Speaker 1: be in place just for insurance purposes. Okay, So I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it's altruism. I'm saying that it's a necessary

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Speaker 1: step in doing business and also like having a high

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Speaker 1: profile response um to aid people that the public would

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Speaker 1: see as being victims of this right off the bat,

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Speaker 1: not to mention the long term victims in terms of

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Speaker 1: the people that lost their businesses, lost their livelihood. I

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Speaker 1: think that's an important part of any PR campaign, you know,

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Speaker 1: to be seen as being quick to respond and to

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Speaker 1: take care of our own people, you know who we're

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Speaker 1: putting their lives in danger to, you know, make us

643
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: a whole lot of money. Just don't worry about the

644
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: residents of the Gulf of Mexico. There's a lot of

645
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: goes into this mat there and it continues. I I

646
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I remember when this was happening,

647
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: and the thought that occurred to me was there, it's

648
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: never going to be the same ever again. Like you

649
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: know this it's sort of like with Pukushima, and you

650
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: know that proved not necessarily be the case with both

651
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: of those things. But I remember my brain at the

652
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: time seeing that oil gushing out on TV, and it's like,

653
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: how how how is it still how is it still gushing?

654
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: How is this possible? That was definitely there was definitely

655
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: image management there, because this is something that um Matt

656
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: and I talked about what we were making the video,

657
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: which was this snow fly zone supposedly for safety or

658
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: some other nominally reasonable cause. It seemed like it was

659
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: just as plausible that this would be to prevent mass

660
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: media images of gigantic oil slicks right nautical miles wide.

661
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: But the other part of it is I used to

662
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: have a job before I worked here. It's true, ladies

663
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, I didn't always work here, And in that job,

664
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: people would call me when disasters occurred. This could be

665
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: something as small as hitting a deer in the backwoods

666
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: of Ohio. This could be something as personally catastrophic as

667
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: your house part of your house burning down. This could

668
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: be something disastrous like the old lady who called me

669
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: during Hurricane Katrina because she was in the third floor

670
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: of her house, the water was rising and no one

671
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: else would answer the phone and having encountering situations like this.

672
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: One of the first things that happened is that whomever

673
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: is supposed to be the first line of response for

674
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: a you know, for like call this number in case

675
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: of a disaster and oil leak, have very very stringent

676
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: rules about what they can and cannot say and how

677
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: to essentially refer people to someone else who will refer

678
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: them to someone else. And it's a it's dangerous. It's

679
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: a dangerous thing. I have a difficult time ascribing motives

680
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: with certitude, but we can measure actions. And if you

681
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: would like to learn more about the deepwater horizon, you know,

682
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: I would ask I would ask you to check out

683
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: our video on that. Now it's early in our career.

684
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: It's early in our strange experiment of stuff. They don't

685
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: want you to know, so be kind. Well, yeah, and

686
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot of there were a lot of pending things

687
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: with litigation going on at that time, and finds that

688
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: we're trying to be levied against BP and then it

689
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: would get out of some of them, and then there

690
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: would be more fines laid on them, and then these

691
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: felonies came along a little bit later. Um I was

692
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: reading the scene in the New York Times been that

693
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: VP agreed to pay eighteen point seven billion dollars in

694
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: total like paying out claims and the fact that they

695
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: can do that and still exists. What does that tell

696
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: you about the magnet dude of a company like that

697
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: and just the oil industry, the fossil fuel industry at large.

698
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just of a leviathan. And again I'm

699
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: gonna say it like it is. It is true. It's

700
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: similar to a large international banking system, whereas fees for

701
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: breaking the law become a part of the business. But

702
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: it is not the same because these are not anticipated

703
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: events and at worst what they committed beforehand would maybe

704
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: be negligence. I mean, it's so convenient to it's so

705
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: convenient to UM have black and white villains. It is

706
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: so convenient, but it is not realistic. And I I

707
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: don't agree with the actions personally, but as far as

708
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: the facts, the facts speak for themselves. So regardless of

709
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: how you feel on a personal level, listeners about what

710
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: occurred with the Deepwater Horizon spill. That tragedy. UH Congress

711
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: or the Department of Justice actually gives UH gives British

712
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: Petroleum fourteen felonies they plead guilty, and one of these

713
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: included lying to Congress. Another included a four point five

714
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: billion dollar fine, the largest fine of its time ever

715
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: levied against the corporation in the US. So I wouldn't

716
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: call this a happy ending, but it is an ending

717
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: um of sorts. And this is not to say that people,

718
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: some of you listening now may be only the effects

719
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: of core exit or be still living in an area

720
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: that remains affected by this spill. This is, you know,

721
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: by far, not the only example of these sorts of things.

722
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: There is another story. It takes place a little bit

723
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: further south in Ecuador. The Lago Agria oil field was

724
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: is an oil rich area near the city of Nueva

725
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: Loja in the province of Sugumbis, Ecuador. Yeah, yeah, it's

726
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: a oil was discovered there in the sixties, right, and

727
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: it's known internationally now for the ecological problems that oil

728
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: development created there. So this is the waters polluted, the

729
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: soils contaminated, and you know, the trees are being mowed down.

730
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: Since lawyers have tried to force uh Texico and its

731
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: parent company Chevron to clean up the area and to

732
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: take care of or provide you know, medical care oppensation

733
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: for the people who were affected. Uh. In February two

734
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: tho eleven, U Ecuadorian court said, hey, Chevron, you owe

735
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: the people of this area eight billion dollars in compensation.

736
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: And Chevron said, nah, nah be that's a legitimate That

737
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't make sense. That was a really good

738
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: Chevron impersonation. Thank you, thank you. Um. Some people do

739
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: Christopher walking and I specialize in Chevron. Uh. The In

740
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, however, the US Court said that

741
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: this verdict was obtained illegally essentially, and said there was bribing,

742
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: was corruption, there was racketeering. Uh but I'm sorry, can

743
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: I stop me for a one second? That term racketeering?

744
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: I just love, but what does it really mean? Racketeering

745
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: is acause you always think of the mafia, right and

746
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: that movie The Rocketeer. What happened in the oh he

747
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: wore a helmet and had a pocket suit and you know,

748
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: fought the Nazis Um. Totally different word entirely, but if

749
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: you would, I'm sure some other people. Okay, So racketeering

750
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: is h it's kind of a slang term and it

751
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: comes from racket So the reason a lot of people,

752
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: including myself associated with the mafia is because it's like

753
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: an organized crime thing. It's when an organized group or

754
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: institution or association runs an illegal business. Right, So we're

755
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: fixing horse races, were what's a what's a good illegal thing?

756
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: Loan sharking? We're loan sharking. Yeah, Matt nite and you're

757
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: getting a loan shark that's more or less the image

758
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: that I had of it. But I just wanted to

759
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: make sure or we're lobbying in a country where that's illegal.

760
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: Anyhow So, the US court in says, okay, we'll grant

761
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: you this injunction because these this ruling had crime involved,

762
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, in reaching it, and you know, involved coercion

763
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, no court system in the world

764
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: will be able to enforce this um this ruling. However,

765
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: and you know this is not to say that uh

766
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: Chevron didn't didn't go back and forth on saying, well,

767
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: we did attempt to clean or remediate the area, We've

768
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: we've done what we're supposed to do, or there's no

769
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: proof that this is associated with us, or that most

770
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: of these crude spills occurred after Texico withdrew. So the

771
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: impact here is according to the plaintiffs that there's a

772
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: spike in cancer rates and that it's due to contamination

773
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: of the water. But the oil company maintains that there's

774
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: no causual link. You know, there's no causation. So after

775
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: after all of this happens, uh people have people have

776
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: gone back and forth with various The fight got very

777
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: very dirty, and it continues today because I there were

778
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: some tapes or video that was a video acquired by

779
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: people fighting on the Ecuadorian side that apparently showed uh,

780
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: engineers are contractors for the oil company, just disregarding the proof,

781
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, uh, let's let's check here and see

782
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: if there's still oil in the area. Yeah, you can

783
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: find someone was on live leak. I've seen several of those. Right,

784
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: it's just blatant, you know. And then the I almost

785
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: called it the Chevronian side, but the oil company side

786
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: says we also found videos where we're in an Ecuadorian

787
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: judge during the time that the trial is going on,

788
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: just said out and out all right, yeah, you know whatever,

789
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: they're guilty. I'll just I'll like I'll basically sit through

790
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: it and then just say they're guilty, like don't don't worry,

791
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: don't you don't you worry? You're pretty head Uh, and

792
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: you know it's illegal for a judge to do that

793
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: or and uh, I'm sure that some judges have but

794
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: you know it's also you got caught a video doing that. However,

795
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: it turned out in a publication that one of the

796
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: people associated with recording that video was actually someone who

797
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: has contracted with Chevron and blackmailed them, and that person

798
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: was moved to the US at Chevron's dime and paid

799
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: an undisclosed settlement amount. Wow. I never would have expected that. So, uh,

800
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: as we are, you know, I think that it's still

801
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: in the system now that there's still a legal battle

802
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: going on, and we're not sure how it's how it's

803
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna work out. There's a lot of money at stake,

804
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: and also the time horizon for this is very long.

805
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: You know, if you can afford legal representation, then you

806
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: have a case, and you're a company, you have a

807
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: case that could potentially become immortal in court. And it

808
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: helps if you, you know, produce oil, because then you're

809
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: basically just pulling money out of the ground, billions and

810
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: billions of dollars. That's an interesting way to look at it.

811
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: It's also more and more expensive though, to to create oil,

812
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: to to refine it, to find it, Like Norway is

813
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: going to be quite possibly a lot of trouble because

814
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: the um the system of Norway right wherein the oil

815
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: is pulled into a state owned corporation. A lot of

816
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: the budgeting for that is based on a price point

817
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: for a barrel of oil, which is far higher than

818
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: there is now. You know. So this being um involved

819
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: with oil as a state or as a company does

820
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 1: not make one immune. I'm not saying immune, I'm saying

821
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: filthy rich. This is something that occurred to me at

822
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: the top of the show, um know, with the deep

823
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: water Horizon for example, that's just the kind of unmitigated

824
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: disaster that's just so in the public consciousness, you know,

825
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: and it's just on TV and it's just on everybody's mind.

826
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: You can't really cover it up. There's things you could

827
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: probably do, as you were saying, Matt, to kind of

828
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: mitigate what the damages will be to your company in

829
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: terms of how much you have to pay out, etcetera.

830
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: But this, uh, this Ecuador story to me seems like

831
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: one that would be easier to cover up, not easier.

832
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: But it's just, you know, this is not what is

833
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: the top of mind for many people when they think

834
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: about these kinds of things. And I think that is

835
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: proof positive that there are public relations efforts that do stick.

836
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: The peo pull the companies. They rewrite history so that

837
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: it benefits them, and so you know, you don't remember

838
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: these things and it happens all the time for breakfast,

839
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's a good question too. Well, yeah, it's

840
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: the it's the out of sight, out of mind thing, right,

841
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: that's it's happening in Ecuador and in the American in

842
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: the American public's mind. That just it stinks. But that's

843
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: the way it is. And I mean, you know, even

844
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: talking about the deep Water Horizon thing, I mean I

845
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: was in enraged, and I you know, thinking back on

846
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: it now, I am still obviously, but it's certainly not

847
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: something I've been dwelling on daily. And a lot of

848
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: that has to do with the fact that these efforts succeed.

849
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: It was almost six years ago, it's true, Matt, But

850
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: can you think of anything that's happened in those six

851
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: years that was just drastically you know, damaging to our environments,

852
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, and closer to home, affecting the lives of

853
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: people you may know. I don't know. It's just it's

854
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: a biggie, see your point. Maybe that's why I'm still

855
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: feels like an open wound even though I wasn't even

856
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: affected that hard, which is crazy. I'm just one of

857
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: those people who goes on the internet and winds about it.

858
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: I guess. No, it's easy to internal as these things too.

859
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: I mean, you're an empathetic person, as I think, are

860
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: we all in this room? For the most part, I

861
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: have three feelings a year. I'm I'm excited. The first

862
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: one is going to kick in around August. I look

863
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: forward to that. But uh, well, one one point I

864
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: want to also make the so toward us is are

865
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: we not in some way responsible for these sorts of

866
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: things if we live in an oil powered civilization? Right? Uh?

867
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 1: And is there is there this is such a dangerous question.

868
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: Is there some way to look at the cost benefit

869
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: on a large scale? And is there some part in

870
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: the deep dark recesses of your American consumer mind that's like, well,

871
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: that's just the cost of doing business. I don't think

872
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's entirely fair to call it

873
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 1: an American consumer mind, because there are consumers around the world,

874
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: of course, but that just mean in terms of our

875
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: consumption of oil as a country and are dependent on it,

876
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: and just you know, we won't be able to drive

877
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: our cars around you now we want all that stuff.

878
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Every time I get into my little

879
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: conversion suv thing, I have this tremendous guilt and now

880
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. I'm such a hypocrite. Oh wow, wow,

881
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go lay down the corner, guys.

882
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: So in and I understand. These are two separate cases

883
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: we've talked about so far, deep Water Horizon and the

884
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: case in Ecuador. In one case, uh, there was in

885
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: one case one of the contentions was that it was happened,

886
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: uh pretty far in the past now six years. And

887
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: then for deep Water the other one, in the case

888
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: of Ecuador, Uh, it was the idea that maybe this

889
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: is something happening in foreign countries, so it's a bit

890
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 1: easier to remove it from the public mind. So what then,

891
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: what would happen then in the case where there was

892
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: something that was happening immediately like now today, and it

893
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: was a little bit closer to home. That would be

894
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: like the situation that's happening in California at the Lysso

895
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: Canyon storage facility that holds natural gas and or methane. Uh. Yeah,

896
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: there's a big leak happening right there. It's pretty insane. Yeah. So, uh,

897
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: a runaway natural gas leak right above l a um

898
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: has emitted more than a hundred and fifty million pounds

899
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: of methane since last October. And you guys, I wasn't

900
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: even aware of this story until we started doing this.

901
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: So just case in point for real. It's in a

902
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: place called Porter Ranch north of Los Angeles, as you

903
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: said there, Uh, it's a it's a fairly affluent community

904
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: or it's fairly well off. Thousands of people in the

905
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: area had to evacuate. Um, we we know about this.

906
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: It's it's not whites fair reporting, but it's not being

907
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: exactly kept under wraps. The story starts around October. According

908
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: to Amy Goodman, the community was overtaken by noxious gases.

909
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: Neighbors reporting, you know, the smell. They weren't feeling well,

910
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: getting dizzy, and thinking perhaps one house had a major

911
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: gas leak. Yeah, I think there's one. There's a bit

912
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: of a time frame there, around when the gas company

913
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: itself reported, or the Elicita, the ELSA candy and storage

914
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: facility actually reported that there is a leak and active

915
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: leak going on. And there are a couple of stories

916
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: from families who were experiencing the things you're talking about, Ben,

917
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: like the weird smells, like what is going on? Why

918
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: is this happening right now? UM, A little bit a

919
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: little bit before that, just because it was maybe caught

920
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: a little not late, but a little later by the

921
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: company itself. And the company to which we're referring in

922
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: this story is Southern California Gas so called Gas Southern

923
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: California Gas Company. On the twenty eight October, a few

924
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: days later, they went public with a leak, and so

925
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: Amy Goodman from Democracy Now reports that the leak is

926
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: so severe that it will actually account for a quarter

927
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: of the entire state of California's methane emissions in just

928
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: one month. One of the other really bad things is

929
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: that methane is uh not good for overall global climate change.

930
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: It's eighty six times worse than carbon dioxide over a

931
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: twenty year period. Um. And then this one, you know,

932
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: this one leak is just putting so much of it

933
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: out into the out in the atmosphere. I think it's

934
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: twelve hundred metric tons of methane released every day from

935
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: this one leak. And the worst part is that there

936
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: are experts actively working to try and stop this thing.

937
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: There are people out there right now as we're recording

938
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: the US trying to drill down and make it stop.

939
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: But it's gonna it's gonna take time. It's gonna take

940
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: a long time untill about March. Right, yes, so on Monday, January,

941
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: so cow Gas is required to put forward a detailed

942
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: schedule of how this will be handled. The running bets

943
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: right now or that this will occur in this this

944
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: leak will be closed plausibly in March. Everybody's hoping for earlier.

945
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: I have a question, though, guys, um, why do you

946
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: think this story is getting comparatively less attention than the

947
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: deep Water Horizon. I mean, what you're describing to me

948
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: is essentially a natural gas version of what happened with

949
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: the Water Horizon. It sounds like it's a continued leak

950
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: that is causing problems, health problems, you know, with the

951
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: people that live in that area and it's not stopped,

952
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: hasn't been plugged yet, it's ongoing. Why do you think

953
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: this is something that's not as visible? Maybe that's the answer. Yeah, exactly. Okay,

954
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say what my first argumente it

955
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: goes back to the out of sight, out of sight,

956
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: out of mind kind of thing. Because methane is an

957
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: invisible gas. You cannot see it with your naked eye.

958
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: The only way you can see it is through infrared.

959
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: Getting a fleer camera and a couple a couple of

960
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: groups did do that, earthworks and nonprofit organization got a

961
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: flee your camera out there so you could really see.

962
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: This is huge. It looks like black smoke just kind

963
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: of billowing through and following the wind. Um. That's pretty

964
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: scary methane, isn't. I mean, it's gonna cause some ill

965
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: effects on your health if you're exposed to it for

966
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: long periods or enough of it at high enough concentrations.

967
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: But it's not the it's not quite as dangerous, right,

968
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know. Maybe that's why it's also I

969
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: don't know, there are a lot of didn't What do

970
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: you think, Ben? We would probably would be remiss if

971
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: we didn't mention in No Fly his own instituted one

972
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: of the uh one of the questions being was this

973
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: instituted to prevent exposure to methane from people flying in

974
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: the airspace or is this instead to UH protect the

975
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: image of the company? I could I could clearly see

976
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: it being to protect the airspace, especially given that, um

977
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: if it's a very busy part of you know, if

978
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: it's if it's a part where there are a lot

979
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: of commercial airlines flying, then you don't want to complicate

980
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: that by having them fly through some sort of methane

981
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: volcano or you know, God forbid somehow ignite. You know,

982
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: it is flammable at certain concentrations. So what do you

983
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: think the future of this is. Do you think there's

984
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: a cover up of foot I think the cover up

985
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: is just completely not completely a highly deregulated industry, the

986
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: energy industry, and I think it's more about politics and

987
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: anything else you profits over you know, consequences. But at

988
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: the same time, there's so many different ways to look

989
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: at it. I think that for me is the biggest issue.

990
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: Like with the deep water horizon thing, another similarity are

991
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: the blast caps that many countries at the time had

992
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: in place when you're when a leak begins to happen

993
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: in a deep water drilling site, there are her in

994
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: a lot of places caps that explode and seal the

995
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: entire thing when something starts leaking really badly like that,

996
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: and it contains it through deregulation. We didn't have to

997
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: do that. At least people who are operating in the

998
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: Gulf of Mexico through the United States didn't have to

999
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: do that. Okay, So in that case, then with both

1000
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: of those cases, one of the arguments, it sounds like

1001
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: one of the arguments would be that if there's any

1002
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: conspiratorial or cover up stuff, it can be found in

1003
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: the predis master face. Yeah, and unfortunately, unfortunately it's a

1004
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: lot of There are a lot of things that I

1005
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: probably am not a smart enough human to go through

1006
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: and find the minutia and the small legal ease that

1007
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: makes the difference between something being safe and not safe. Um,

1008
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: and I'm not an expert in a lot of these fields,

1009
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: but you know, I think that's where you find it,

1010
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: and it's going to require more looking on my part. Well,

1011
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: we are definitely as far as I know, none of

1012
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: us are oil exploration engineers, right or oil rig workers,

1013
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: but you listeners may well be. And I know that

1014
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: the oil industry is suffering some tremendous shifts that are

1015
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: affecting affecting people across the world in terms of their employment,

1016
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: their quality of life. If you are affiliated with this industry,

1017
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: I would love to hear the inside scoop. What do

1018
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: you think the future of this stuff is? How do

1019
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: companies handle these disasters? And if your game, do you

1020
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: have knowledge of a cover up? You guys. If we're

1021
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: wrapped up on the topic today, I did just want

1022
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: to end the show with one thing. Um. As I'm

1023
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: sure all of you or many of you know, um,

1024
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: David Bowie passed away this week or on Sunday, and

1025
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say in terms of what we

1026
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: talked about on the show, I think besides the fact

1027
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: that you know, for me personally, it was a real

1028
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: hero musically and I'm a musician and I've been a

1029
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: fan of his work for a long time. But he

1030
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: did something very very interesting, um when he passed away.

1031
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: This is something that I don't think you could say

1032
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: many people, celebrities or otherwise are able to do, and

1033
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: that he really controlled the way that people experienced his death.

1034
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: He released a record on his birthday, which was Friday

1035
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: of last week before he passed away, and then he

1036
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: released two music videos, both of which are visually's done

1037
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: fanti fantastic, but one in particular, for the song lazarus Um,

1038
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: shows him in a hospital bed with a blindfold on,

1039
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: with little button eyes and kind of like writhing around

1040
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: doing this sort of St. Vitus dance kind of thing.

1041
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: And there are several versions of him. One is the

1042
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: one in the hospital bed, one is sort of like

1043
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: wearing this harlequin kind of like tight fitting like almost

1044
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: a mime costume, and there's another one who's puzzling over

1045
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: papers at a desk, like a writing desk, And there

1046
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: are lyrics in the song where he's talking about he says, look, man,

1047
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm in heaven. You know, I got scars that you

1048
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: can't see. And as was you know, made known when

1049
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: he did pass away, he had been suffering from cancer

1050
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: for eighteen months, meaning that he knew his fate the

1051
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: whole time he was making this record and especially when

1052
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: he was making these companion videos, and um, you know,

1053
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: it's been a pretty emotion a couple of days for me.

1054
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't really get affected by people, you know, celebrities

1055
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: quote unquote passing away, but this one hit pretty hard.

1056
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: And I just think it was pretty a really incredible

1057
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: sign of his artistry and his mind that he was

1058
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: totally able to set the tone for the way people

1059
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: experienced his passing. And I think that's very unique, and

1060
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: I just wanted to you know, express that well. Thank you. No,

1061
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I know, my wife was pretty upset

1062
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: about it. I you know, I guess I'm a cold

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Speaker 1: hearted person. I really like him, but I Robin Williams

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Speaker 1: affected me in the way that you're experiencing, is yea.

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Speaker 1: I also think that we're going to see conspiracy theories

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Speaker 1: pop up around this album and around the way he

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of did this, controlled this, kept it quiet.

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Speaker 1: You know, nobody knew except for a very few confidence

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Speaker 1: that he was was dying. And um, I just think

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Speaker 1: it's interesting when people are able to control their legacy

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Speaker 1: in that way, because so many musicians, especially they just

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Speaker 1: let it go, you know, like that they just keep

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Speaker 1: doing it for money and they just you know, end

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Speaker 1: up doing things that are not um in their best interests,

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Speaker 1: doing things that are not artistically sound that are not

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Speaker 1: in line with the good work they've done in the past,

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Speaker 1: and he never really did that, and uh to the

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Speaker 1: last he kind of like really owned his image. And

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Speaker 1: I just thought that was pretty fascinating. And I think

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Speaker 1: we'll continue to hear about things, you know, revolving around

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Speaker 1: this process. Alright, guys, So if you have experienced anything

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Speaker 1: like an oil spill, like if you were out there

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Speaker 1: cleaning up after Deep Art Horizon, if you know anyone

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Speaker 1: who has, if you want to talk to us about that,

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Speaker 1: If you lived in so Cal where you're being affected

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Speaker 1: by any of this stuff, let us know. I want

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Speaker 1: to I'd like to hear your experiences there, or if

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Speaker 1: you're an Ecuador and you have a little more information

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Speaker 1: about what exactly is going on there, what's it like now?

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Speaker 1: And that's the end of this classic episode. If you

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