WEBVTT - Episode 260 w/ MC Serch 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.480 Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:17.240 and I Heart Radio and his Drink chas motherfucking podcast. 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.920 He's a legendary queen's rapper, he said, is your boy 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.360 in O R. He's a Miami hippoper pioneer. Up is 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:27.960 d j e f N. Together they drink it up 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.440 with some of the biggest players in the most professional 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:37.560 unprofessional podcast. And you're number one sort for drunk is 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:48.600 New year Z do drink Champs Trink Up? Would it 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.280 could be hoping? This will should be? This your point 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.400 in O R? What up is d j e f N? 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.840 And this drink has motherfucking crazy, motherfucker hill the hour 0:00:54.960 --> 0:01:01.080 and all that goddam makes up. It's lay right now 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.120 when you're looking at drink Champs and you say that 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.119 when we started this show for we said we wanted 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.120 to have a show that we, you know, salute our 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.640 legends and salute them now, not to salute them when 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.120 they in the coffin and all this. And when you 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:16.840 look at this brother that's to the left of me, 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.360 not only is he a queen's legend, he's a New 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.360 York City legend. Not only see a New York City legend. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.160 He's a hip hip legend. He had stood by the 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.360 culture and put the culture on his back in many 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.640 different scenarios. I remember even had a daytime talk show. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.880 I was watching that too. He was like the Jenny 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.440 Jones and he kept hip hop. He kept hip hop. 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.520 He was having to suit somebody keptin hipop. He's a 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.080 part of a legendary group. One of my favorite songs 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.760 of all times, get the gas Face. He a part 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.400 of that. He later on wanted to have a solo 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:57.520 career and then had success putting on want of arguably 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:04.040 the best mcs of old times. After that he went 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.400 on in and started doing radio. I heard he got 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:13.000 a podcast coming up now, books, all type of crazy shit, hustling, 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:18.079 even white wrapper shows. HM had to do with everything. 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.520 I can keep going. So in case if people don't 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.760 know what I'm talking about, we're talking about the motherfucking 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:30.840 hen see mother Side. You are truly all around hustle. Hey, 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.040 when you're from far rockaway Queens. When they guy wanted 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.800 to do it, goddamn makes its out to get it. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.359 You gotta get it how you get it, you know. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:44.720 But I hold you uh flowers because I'm able to 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.440 do my podcast because it's a success that you've had it, 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.520 so we're able to you know, create you know the 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.160 time this podcast company because of the successful peopack What's 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.040 the Beautiful Thing especial that once again you know you 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.960 ain't drinking the search is how we do. Um, I'm 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:05.800 must bother you prefer I drink. Um. This is Champaigne. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.200 Go on, and I see that, I think you should 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:14.800 go with the rose Rose. We're gonna be gold after this. 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.000 So let's let's let's take it from the beginning, right 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.560 the beginning, when hip hop first came on the scene. Um, 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.720 you started out as a third basis that well, no, no, no, 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.520 I was I was a solo battle MC. Yeah. So 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.640 when I um, when I was coming up, um, you 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.640 know it was it was just so you gotta imagine 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:44.160 taking the A train from far rockaway. So when I 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.280 went to high school, uh, music and art on a 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:53.160 hundred content that's okay, yeah yea. So my favorite group 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.280 that I heard in the street on those cassette tapes 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.240 was a group called the Kango Crew. For MCS had 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.680 little skits that they would do around like uptown and 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.800 all of that hill billy girl Indian girl like funnition 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.720 and it was, you know, four dudes. And I went 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.680 to my first day at high school and I went 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.159 to the lunch room and I see the cipher in 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.720 the lunch room ain't giving the regular cups, Mrs Mr 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.920 Lee get a regular cup head. And I see these 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.640 dudes running around the lunch table. So I go stand 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.440 on the lunch table and I see these four dudes 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.240 and they're doing the routine. And then they got old 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.839 and matching colored canoes. They got to the teamers shirts. 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.520 And the dude that was next to me was like 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.000 we had a big brother, Big Sister program where a 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.640 freshman and a senior would walking around the school. So 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.479 my man, Steve Bosco, may rest in peace. I turned 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.479 to him and I said, Yo, they're doing the Can't 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.719 Go Crew and he said, mother Funker, that is they 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:58.520 can't Go cruise and the imps. Because I've never seen 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.960 rappers in person and all heard was the fourth and 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.920 fifth generation cassette tapes. I've never seen him in person. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:09.840 I just knew the dude's names. Where you start strugging, please, man, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.480 I never seen a star in my life like that 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.719 big and it was a guy named Ricky d who 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.760 became Sliquid. It was Dana Dane who became Send a 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.120 Fella Day to Day, and their homeboys Lands Romance and 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:32.000 Omega and yeah, and then they stopped doing that, and 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.800 then all of a sudden, his dude beat boxes and 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.720 his name is Douggie fresh right, and they started doing 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.160 this record called Lotti Dotty I've never heard before your 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.800 history right now, So I knew all the words to 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.479 Lotti Dotti before Lotti Dottie Eva came out in eighty five. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.720 And this is a fact though, I'm gonna tell you. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.280 I was so enamored with it that when I went 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.760 back around my way, I knew nobody heard it. So 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:58.840 I started saying them rhymes like they were mine. Press girl, 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:04.440 they don't have. So record comes out and I'm at 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.320 McDonald's and Linbrook coming out of Hot Skates and the 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:12.200 record comes on regular plays it because you know Kiss 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.240 FM they had then, you know shows Friday Saturday night. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.360 And the girl that was Dan's Dominican chick who would 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.359 hook me up with free Big Max, was at the 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:24.279 counter and she goes, oh, oh, there's Ricky de Dominican 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.560 always got the hook up. And the dude behind me 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:31.839 goes Ricky de blows up my spots. But it was 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:36.080 that indoctrination and watching the dudes, like right next to 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.719 it was this dude, Jay Cool, and Jay Cool and 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.479 his brother formed the Frustra mcas And before I left 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:45.560 high school, I'm here in for e s H Fresh 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.919 Fresh Fresh, yoh, that's fresh pumpkin and all stars. You know, 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.000 I was having um o c and Crazy Yetti would 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.479 come into my school dating this girl in the show 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.360 that they had a record called Problems Every World Today. 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.960 Like so I'm like seventeen years old and I'm like, damn, 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.600 like I can do this, and my man mathematics and understanding, 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.719 We're like, no, you can watch it. You can't be 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.560 a part of this. You're a white boy, You're a devil. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:12.680 You could, you could, you could, you could come to 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:16.240 the dinner table. Wasn't the beastie boys out? Like no, 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:26.920 this is there. Busy boys came in because I graduated 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:31.600 high school. So I actually graduated high school with Mark 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.960 Pitts changing faces. So so I knew I could do it. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:37.360 Like I knew I could do it, but I wasn't 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:38.840 really allowed to do it. So I was just a 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.840 battling scene. So I'm basically my man math and my 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.800 man Understanding would have the battle all through like the 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.480 five boroughs, and they were moving their little thing things 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.560 right right, so they would go to lie at the 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.920 flat top right right. No, not yet I had a 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:58.560 jew from but um. So what they would do is 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.720 because one of the as I learned early on was 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.720 like when when people started battle rhyman, they all had 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.200 pre prepared rhymes. Nobody was rubing off top of their head. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.520 So I'm like, so I'm like, yo, that's gonna be 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.000 my thing. Like I'm I'm a freestyle I'm gonna be 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:15.520 I'm gonna come off the top of my head and 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.440 be just as good and better, good, better, because i 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.120 had to be ten times better because I'm the only 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.240 fucking white boy out the only other white people you 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.280 saw up the park. Terms as the police, I was 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:31.440 the only white boy, said the police. So so they 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.560 would set up these battles for me, and I would 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.400 show up at the you know, these little jams or whatever, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.000 and as soon as I came up the subway steps, 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.720 whatever little money was being beat. As soon as they 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.240 were like, oh that's MC search the money with triple like, 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:45.960 oh yeah, oh no, we got him, We got him, 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.000 got them guys, Hold on, hold is this what as like, 0:08:48.080 --> 0:09:01.320 white man can't jump like man like you? And I 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.680 was even a white man. It was the devil devil 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:10.720 can't don't like white hell like Let's this error is 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:17.400 heavily infused by which was which? So I don't want 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.440 people to think like that. That was just it was 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.839 just at that time. It was at the time this 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:23.920 and it was a black off form and there was 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.160 no The only white boy ever saw Ron ever was 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:31.400 this kid, Lord Scotch A. K. Blake who now writes 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.320 KO like he was the first white rapper ever. So 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.080 so I would come up the steps and then the 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.040 numbers were triple and they would be like, ohhoa that 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.360 starts a hundred two hundred three SID to be decipher 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.719 and these dudes would start beating beatboxing and ron and 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.120 for the dude in the project, so whoever Vandam and 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.360 Moss wherever wherever they were from, and they were battedly. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.960 But there was all pre written rounds so it was 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.360 usually always two rounds. It never went three. It was 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.360 always two rounds. So the first round what ever, the 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.200 dude said to me, I went over my head. I 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.720 would just break them down heads and I would just 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.400 I would just like, look at what they were wearing. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:11.800 I would see what they were wearing, and I would 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:16.160 clown them. That was my first move. Freesty was there 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:20.760 pre written for you? They so right. And not only that, 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:22.679 the other thing that was crazy is because I went 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.439 to a music school. When they try to do the beatbox, 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.079 I'll be like, no, no, no no, I'm gonna go acapella 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:28.800 and they'd be like, yo, what do you mean you're 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.120 going on Acapulca? What you're talking about? I'm like, no, 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.240 I don't need no beat acapella, right, So I would 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.920 robb just off till my head with no beat. So 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.880 now you know, now you got me saying sh about 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.080 what you're wearing. And now all their boys are like, 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.440 it's a problem, right, And mind you, I'm bought at 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.079 the train, like I'm right by the train. So the 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.600 battles happening right by the train. So the second round, 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:55.040 the dude is now shure, always sure. And now the 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.160 second round comes in. Now you want to lose the 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.760 white kid neither though, that's really don't want that to happen, 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:05.600 but take it back. But but but then the other thing, 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:07.360 that temp was just going up because now that all 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.199 the stick up kids are like, whatever he gets, we're 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.560 gonna get it back anyway. Right, So that's that's the heat. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.920 That's what you gotta imagine. The temperatures like going up. 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.360 So right, um so now the second one, whatever he 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.199 says to me, I'm taking all his words against him. 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.160 I'm like, oh, you said this, but you should have 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.880 said this. So now I'm gonna turn around and make 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.960 it a dis and dismiss everything you just said. Right, 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.960 And now they're like, you know how to go, you know, 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.400 so my man. So they would then pass the money 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.200 to me, and as soon as I got the money, 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.160 I would dip back to the train before the stick 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.520 up happened. So I would top the train and I 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.920 was going but just one pidgeon dead away, right, Yeah, 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.679 we had to get one. And my boys were smart 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:55.719 like that, like they're going about it at the time. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.520 We're like, you know, this is gonna be a problem, 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:00.680 and then we're gonna sun with my two boys. Because 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.840 then they were sucked up the train right, like they 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.160 didn't want the money to stop. So it was, it 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.120 was what it was. So this one time, that's one time. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.160 I'm laughing, but it's nothing funny, just one time. So 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.680 my but like, so this happened eighty six, eighty seven, 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.720 I'm a beast, Like I'm like, I got my Yeah, 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.400 I got my ten thousand hours plus another ten. Right, 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.240 we do this one battle my man, my man, Reggie 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.199 Reggies DJ and a party in Brooklyn and I'm battling 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.560 this Latin kid, the Spanish kid. Right. I think I 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.319 might have been zooted at the time, Like I might 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.960 have been smoking rulers at the time. Rulers, for those 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:41.440 who don't know, is weed, and I think it might 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.440 it might have been. I'm not a hundred per cents sure, 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.040 but I'm but all I know is I'm on my 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.000 way to Latin Quarter. So like it's a Friday night, 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.520 I'm gonna get my money, right, I'm gonna go, you know. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.400 And my man was DJ and in a park gym 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.400 there anyway, So I'm like, all right, cool, So this 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:00.880 dude is Latin dude. He already has an attitude and 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.200 I'm already kind of it's already known that there's this 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.600 white kid MC search and he's doing this thing whatever. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.360 So the dude battles me typical style. He got his 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.320 written and I break them, and I mean I broke 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.200 them to the point where his own girl is like 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:19.040 trying to pass me the math like, so his face 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.120 is now screwed. He got the screw face. Look at it. 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.960 He don't even want to kick a second verse, but 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.480 he kicks his second verse. And when he kicks his 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.240 second verse, I can see where his building was and 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:36.679 where his mom was, and his mom calls to him 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.360 in the middle of the verse like blah bla blah blah, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.400 come and he pulls out a pack of Newport to 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.439 smoke a Newport And I said, Joe, it's it's coincidental 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.320 that your mom's calling you and you're picking out that 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.319 new Port because I'm a smoker. And before you say 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:59.400 anything else, right, And this dude's face got great, like 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.840 I never seeing a dude face get like like right. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.320 So now so now the dip happens. The dip happens. 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.880 I get the money I did. It was a big collection. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.720 It was like it was a lot of money. Go 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.320 to land Quota, I hang out Paradise. You know, the 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.760 whole thing. You must have been four at the time, 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.360 four or five. So I go to land Quote. I 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.960 come back. I'm helping the original land Quarte. I've been 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:28.280 to the one that called down five times times, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, six. 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:33.800 I think the origion was on eight single. So I 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:35.920 come back. I'm helping my man break down his set. 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.080 And at the time, and you'll remember this, as a DJ, 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.720 you had to create, not even crates. You had them 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:47.840 in this thing, a crown carry everything had a little 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:57.000 car sounds. So we're breaking down. It's so it's like 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:58.800 four or five o'clock, and it might have been four 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.440 o'clock an they more and um, my man said something 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.320 to me. I turned my head a hip hop and 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:07.040 the and the amp breaks in my hand and he's like, Yo, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.080 what the funk you did? I'm like, the fucking mean 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.160 I did. And I looked and as soon as I 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.480 looked to dude, crack him back to shoot me a 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:18.920 second time. So I'm like, oh, spot, right to the 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:24.520 training and I never balanced the projects again, and I 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:29.200 realized that I was a beast like that at that moment. 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:34.800 The fear and the adrenaline it manifested into something else. 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.560 It manifested into the fact that I was a beast, 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.000 like if somebody wanted to kill me, I want to 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.720 get rid of you a little bit. You worked in 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:47.480 Detroit Radio. Correct later though, I'm just bouncing around, So 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.880 being that Detroit radio and Detroit related to Eminem when 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.040 you watched eight miles, I don't bouncing around all over 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:59.560 and man, because that's like, you know, you know what 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.000 described in the first eight and you know, and this 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.600 big of you know, his trick tricks your same position. 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.880 That's that's that's my man. But we didn't know hip 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.720 hop was acting like that in Detroit, Like we didn't 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.840 know like that, we knew it like the hip hop 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.840 was really like I'm t home back to like New 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.080 York was really So did you look at eminem story 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:23.840 and say, at first, is this like a little similarities. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.640 I hadn't met him. Now. I met him when he 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.760 was signed to John Scheck his label Game Records, So 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.040 I heard that receiver way before I was ever in 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:38.160 Detroit infinite. So when I heard him, that's why he 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.880 was signed with dre no way before, way before, and 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.080 just before he was down the kids at Jersey Way 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.360 and the first the infant he sounded like nas and 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.640 jay Z, like a combination. I think. I hear people 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.600 say he sounded a zy ish that too. Like he 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.000 had influences. You have to understand his biggest influence. Marshall's 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:01.160 biggest influence was kam Like that's his favorite m So 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.560 it makes sense, right, Um, But when I heard that verse, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:07.439 even like you could call to Marshall, I like that. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:18.320 You know what I mean? We don't know search space 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.880 and cream, we don't know we got over here. That's 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.280 not true. But you call the Marshall too. But one 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.440 of the things when I went to Detroit, Um, I 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.359 called Paul and I called, yeah, I see, Paul is 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.440 your man. I was just watching some interviews and read 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.760 searching up on you. When you thought about doing your book, 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.400 one of the first people you call it was Paul. Okay, Well, 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.040 Paul was heavy and as a lawyer, rapping a lot 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.119 of people in New York before he got put on 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:49.399 correct the underground. Ye people, he was also but he 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.439 was he was an m C and he was and 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.119 he was raucous lawyer, you know, not a rockets, but 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.000 a lawyer for a lot of those mcs. That was 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:58.440 like a backpack era a lot of Like the guy 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.560 who designed our logo Scam get out of he rapped 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.280 him and that's how Scam has a song with him 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.320 and them. Wow. Okay, well I didn't know that, my bad. 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:10.040 I will use some more respect a bad so um. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.600 I called Paul and I said, look, I'm gonna come 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.080 to Detroit. What do you think? And He's like, do it. 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.360 He didn't even hesitate, He's like, do it. The city 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:23.639 will show you so much love. And M really showed 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.760 me a lot of love. Like because at the time 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.280 him and the station I was working at, JAILB didn't 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:34.880 see hatty. But when fifty came into Detroit during the unit, ever, 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.120 he did a five day special with fifty. Like when 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.440 M would drop something, he would come to me first, 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.280 Like when M had the Benzino beef, he came to 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.639 me first. Like he really, really really showed me a 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.360 lot of love. And when we did the hip Hop 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:56.720 Summit with with Russell Ye, people wearing this, I mean, 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:01.080 thirteen thousand people to come here rappers not rap. To 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:05.480 talk about economic independent Nori spent twenty five minutes talking 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.639 about investments and property, talking about long term investments and 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.240 stocks and bonds and also protecting his royalties through his 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.320 lawyer and through his management. And that was the two 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.960 most important things for him, to make sure that he 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.719 had proper when he was getting ready to start to 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:25.040 invest right. So that's two thousand three. Eminem Ever, like 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.200 is that Toime of Detroit hip hop summing the only time? 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.040 And he was so like it was amazing, like to 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:34.560 see Nasire, to see m to see Nori and you know, 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:40.960 and the truth that matter, Russell Dougie fresh Um. There 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.119 was a lot of people that around because you just 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.520 gave me the all. No, no, no no, I'm gonna give you. 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.879 There's gonna be plenty of alle problem. I hope you 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:53.840 got your hops because I read somewhere that you had 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.600 a choice between O C and Naas to sign. Yeah, 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.480 I was at the same time. No no, no, I 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:03.000 signed both. No choice. Yeah, but it wasn't a choice. Yeah, 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.720 I do you sign the both, but at one point 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:07.800 then you sign O C first. I did sign the 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:09.800 first and he was on original black back to the 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:14.400 Grilla grant. Yeah, there's a remix remixes no no, no no, 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:19.080 so this is no so. O C was already signed 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.920 the Searchlight. He had fudge pudge out. You know I 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.560 loved that. That verse is one of the greatest verses. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:27.680 To me, two of the greatest verses in the early 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.480 nineties is obviously, Live at the Bar became a fudge. Okay, 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.520 let me ask you something. Make sure what we could 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.320 go back to our question Live of the barb who 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.439 came out first? Yes, okay, continue story debating. He's debating, 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.560 and I don't like to google. Sometimes. That got the 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.880 guy right here. I'm gonna ask Google, and I'm sorry. 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.679 So when I met Lunch and I met Po and 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.240 I was like, yo, I gotta sign oh, I gotta 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:57.120 sign him ums confusion. Alright, I'm sorry organnae confusion. I'm 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:02.280 talking like we forget. You gotta know we like people 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:07.399 watch if somebody wants to Google. We got so I signed, 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.480 I signed O C and then um. I was in 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:14.040 the studio working on my solo album and Percy p 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:18.040 to Rid Love oh Nas came into his studio with 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.719 my man Rob Too, low Reef, Daddy Free and Stretch 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:25.639 and they all came in and we were gonna do 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.439 back to the Grill. Regardless. Back then, it really what's 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:32.520 gonna happening regarded um and everybody did it. Oh not 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.000 Cannelli was there too, sorry part of me, I got 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:39.880 them left right, We're in the building, got the way 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:41.960 Live at the Barbecure it already came out right a 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.000 playoff of that, off of that song. No no, no, no no, 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.280 no no. This is now when I'm doing my solo album. 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:52.520 This is like three years later. But it's not because 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:55.720 because Live at the Barbecure is back to the Grill again, 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:02.560 because we know that's what it is. Not no No. 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.040 We had a song on our Cactus album Kicking in 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:10.840 the Grill, so that's that's what was on right. No, No, 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:16.080 kick was Chubb Rock. That was my back to the 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:20.160 girl from kicking in it because when we did shows, 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:21.680 that was one of the biggest, like when we did 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:23.800 Kick Him on the Grill on tour, Like everybody loved 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:25.399 that record. So I was like, fucking I'm gonna do 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.440 back to the Grill again, but I'm gonna have other 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.639 people on it and read hot love tone was already 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.080 my man like so he was in the lab anyway. 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.399 He wanted me to manage him as an artist, not 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.040 as when I was when I was when I was 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.160 in the SUV P when I was a wild pitch 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:42.840 and I brought oh, one of the records that was 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.800 already there was Third Eye, and there's a record with 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.560 Jess Jess West that we had called put your Boots on. 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.240 Let me tell you something. I was so fucking happy 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.480 to be a wild pitch because I had O C, 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:59.119 I had Jess West, I had cool Keith, I had 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.560 large professor, and I was just about to put out 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:06.320 it will matter like I was about to be the hottest. 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:16.520 So it's like my mom, so we go. So we're 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:20.560 doing back again. All those dudes come in. Na stays 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:24.520 behind everybody. Agnostes tells me, he's like, yo, I'm about 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.520 to sign my deal at Warner Brothers. I'm not sure 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.800 I can be on this single. I'm gonna rhyme anyway, 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.159 but I'm not sure I can be on it. Personal 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:32.959 p and A ridd left. They also said they had 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:34.639 deals they didn't know if they could be on it. 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:38.240 Always down with me, so it was gonna happen. So 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:42.239 Na stays behind, and when everybody leaves, Nas tells me, like, 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.359 he got this deal he don't feel right about and 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.040 he wanted me to take a look at it. And 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:51.640 I said, I can't. It'll I can't like it's legally legally, 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.320 I can't do it, I said, but if you sign 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.479 the Searchlight, I can help you. He goes, what does 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.320 that mean? I said, it's simple. It's a one page 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:03.240 agreement signed a Searchlight production deal, production deal. I'll furnish 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:05.399 the album, I said. I won't take any money, I 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.760 won't take any advance. I'll make sure you get the 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:10.040 best deal in the world. And then on your publishing, 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.159 I won't take any publishing. Let's take a five percent 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:16.480 admin fee, which means I'll help to publisher administer your 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:19.080 publishing to make sure people don't use your ship in 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.400 the wrong way. So you're taken care of and you'll 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.920 keep all your ship. And he's the one page agreement. 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:25.560 He goes, all right, I gotta think about it because 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.800 he's seventeen years old, you know. So he's like so 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:31.040 I was like, oh, he's never coming. He's not, like 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:33.480 even I knew, like in ninety three is gonna be 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:36.000 the greatest m C of R of all time? And 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:37.920 you know this of a one verse off of one 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:41.239 verse and that one verse one on credits at laugh 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.480 at the barbecue. Let me put it this way. When 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:49.720 I heard see Ann's first album, no not, I need you. 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:51.280 I need you to hear this. I need you to 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:57.000 hear it, need to get it. When I heard the 0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:59.680 war report and I got a call from the Levine 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:02.840 to war, what I did it for free? I worked 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:07.280 that records free. Give you know what I'm saying. So 0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:10.360 the next so the next day, I'm in the studio 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.000 working on back to the Grill again. Na shows up 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:16.440 a jungle broblem. They throw four blunts on the table 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:22.240 and he says, explain this to me. So I said, 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.160 this is how it go this is how it's gonna work. 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:26.120 This is how it goes down. I'm gonna shop your deal. 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:29.000 I'm gonna go back to you know those guys. I'm 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:30.800 gonna make sure that they do the right thing if 0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:33.720 that's what you want to beat. But if they don't faith. 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.960 This is before faith. This is stretched on strong and 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.240 Rob and reef at Big Beat who offered him to 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:44.159 deal first, that's the deal. He felt funny about that 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:50.960 Big Beat right to me right now, I'm not moving 0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:57.200 got because but who's that Big Beat At the time, 0:25:57.280 --> 0:26:05.359 just to understand that stretch, you said, stretch Stef Craig 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:08.520 Cowmen was he had of big it was his labels. 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:13.000 He's not an Atlantic, it's part of the Atlantic system, 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:17.000 but he is. He's got his own imprint. He put 0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.199 out the double x posse. He was putting out the 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.440 artifacts with Reef who had signed those groups, and they 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.840 were going to sign NAS. So we we we just 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.280 get to smoke in and chilling, and then he says, 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.720 you know what, I'm a funk with you signs the paper. 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:37.199 The next day I go to a Reef and Stretch 0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.840 and I said, guys, the deal you offered him is 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.720 the same deal that I signed in It's not it's 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.359 not a good deal. It's he's the greatest m C 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:49.320 of all time. You know. You don't even need to 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:54.960 hear anything else. Right, And Reef and Stretch fell some 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.400 type of way about it, and I understand that they're like, yeah, 0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:00.720 why you getting involved? And I said, look, he asked 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.320 me for my help. When you guys left, he asked 0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:04.440 me for my help. I saw it. The deal. It's 0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:06.920 the same deal that I fucking signed to deaf Cham 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.160 in eight which to this day in I've never seen 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.680 a check, I've never seen a royalty statement, I've never 0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.560 seen publishing. I never got shipped from fucking left hand records, 0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.359 I mean deaf jam records, right. So I said, I 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.560 can't let him sign this deal. Just tell just make 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:23.119 the deal right. And they said, well, how do you 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.760 make the deal right? I said, removed the publishing when 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.080 if you want to sign his publishing, that's a separate deal. 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.399 Bumped this up, bumped that up. I stayed there for 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.200 about five hours because they were my man, that's my friends. 0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:38.679 And finally Craig Common through those guys, said we're not 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:43.000 changing the deal. I went to Russell next move. I 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:46.800 went to his apartment on four and broke. Russell says 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.240 to me, he sounds like g Rapp and g rapped 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:53.080 on selling no records. So I'm not interested. Gone. I 0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.640 went to Columbia and I went to Faith. Faith didn't 0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.920 let me leave. He signed an amazing deal. And then 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:03.680 once I left that deal, I went to Zamba Publishing 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.080 because I had a great relationship with Richard Blackstone who 0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:08.840 was the head. And Zomba is just correct me from wrong, 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.600 isn't that drive right? So job is the record labels. 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.679 So I went up to them and they said, how 0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:21.880 many songs are you gonna have on the album? I said, 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:25.160 probably twelve, right, He said, well, you know he's only 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:30.280 get paid on ten. I said, okay, fine, But they 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:35.040 gave me a check for Naza. I went to forty 0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:38.920 side because one thing Nah said to me. I said, 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:40.800 what do you want? He said, all I want is 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.040 to get my mother out the projects. He said, if 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:44.640 you can help me get my mother out the projects, 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.760 we could. I went to see him with two checks, 0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:50.080 with three hundred thousand. I said, move him about the projects. 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:56.960 And Amatic was was born from that day. But it 0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:03.880 was like after the end, one more noise made the 0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:11.520 library of converts. I'll tell all right, So now you 0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:15.520 get the chat, right, you guys get the chat all right? Now, 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.640 how does the actual making of ill Matic start? Because 0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:22.440 when we google you, they credit you for a second producer. 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:25.560 It was written correct, all right, So let's just stay 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.160 on ill mad. So it was really simple. My my 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:33.760 role was really simple, make everything easy for naz all I. 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:38.040 Obviously I could not help him make a record, like 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:41.840 that's ridiculous, right, It's like a blind man helping Picassa. 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.320 It wasn't gonna happen. So all I know, I could 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:53.320 do really is and I like it. I'm still at 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:59.000 MC don't get it up. So my job was simple. 0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:01.840 Whatever the producers made, I made sure that the samples 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.120 were cleared period. Okay, search, I just want to stop 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:07.320 you for one second, because you know, when I say 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:09.720 you know, I said you know a lot of times 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.040 I say you know. Farrell came to me and I 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.160 just knew this guy was going to be the next 0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.480 next guy. I just knew it. And it's easy for 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.160 me to say, but you gotta. I want you to 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:22.000 really break it down for people that who who will 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:26.840 never actually vision visualize the actual time era because Russell 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:30.760 said something to you that's very vital to this conversation. Okay, 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:35.960 is at that time lyrics or you were the dopest guy, 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.880 but you might not necessarily be the richest guy. So 0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:46.600 how does this process start of this illmatic and and 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:49.920 and what role was playing that? So one thing I 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.480 told young artists all the time is that the most 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:55.480 important part of the journey when you sign a contract 0:30:55.800 --> 0:31:00.200 is in the advance, how many points you get from 0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:04.160 your record. NAS's first album, he had the same points 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:06.680 as Billy Joel, and Billy Joel had been an artist 0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:10.160 for twenty years. Because I wanted to make sure that 0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:13.600 he was protected. I also made sure that the recording 0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:17.880 budget was really low so he wouldn't have any recoupment 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.240 recoup right, But I also for people who don't know 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.280 what that meaning, he wouldn't owe a lot before his 0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:24.840 money off the album, I have to recoup everything spent 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.960 on that. And he said it was important for them 0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:31.800 for you to get all the samples cleared. People still 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.480 caring a lot of samples, which was ruining their careers 0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:37.160 as well. Why I've never seen a check from a 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:39.440 third base record because back then when they you sample, 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:41.440 they would take a hundred percent and you're publishing. They 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.080 didn't care if he was even paying them or was 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.040 it like that. Well, if you didn't clear it, they 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.000 could do whatever they want when they come back in court. 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:49.120 That's what they're doing now. That's what these young motherfucker's 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.320 is doing now, like they just sailing ship, getting court 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.280 and say just take the ship. But back then they 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.920 were at least trying to take Well, we tried, we tried, 0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.480 but with with us it was different. With us, it 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:00.640 was and when I say us was a team, it 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.880 was my man's sake. Ak Mark Pearson, I gotta give 0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:07.480 him his flowers because I don't think he gets enough recognition. 0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:10.880 He was my GM at Searchlight. I mean so like 0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.200 Mark ran day to day. So Rights was never signed 0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:16.360 to Wow Pitch. It was search Light he was running. 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:21.080 He was signed to Searchlight Columbia, but for all intended 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.920 purpose it was Columbia. We were just the production company. 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.440 So if you see the first print, it says executive 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:32.000 producer Faith Newman MC search There's a little Searchlight production 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:35.240 logo on the bottom, but it wasn't our label. So 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:36.840 I want to make sure all the samples were cleared. 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.320 So anytime Primo did a record, anytime any of the 0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:41.600 other producers did a record, I said, give me all 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:46.200 the sample Clarence Information right, cleared, all the samples, got 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:50.360 it all done, all under budget. Everything was done. When 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.360 the album came out April, that first week we did 0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:56.160 a hundred and sixty five thousand albums. Week one. Nas 0:32:56.240 --> 0:33:00.120 was a millionaire week one. He's never he's never had 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:09.840 an unrecouped week in his fucking career ever. Ever. Now, 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:13.440 the other side of that, the unfortunate side, is O 0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:17.920 C which is a story I've never told That's why 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:21.080 I actually, that's like it was like O C and NAS. 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.960 It was almost like some would argue that even at 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.360 one point O C was the go to god. That's 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.800 why I actually it felt like you sign O C first, 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:31.560 but you you had no no, no, I did sign 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.400 O C first. Can I got him his deal when 0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:36.160 I went to Wild Pitch. Okay, so now let's take 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:39.200 it from so with O SE when we signed those 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.400 see the Wild Pitch we had Wild Pitcher was going 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:48.240 through e M. I right, I was no longer gonna 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:51.320 make records with Third Base. I'd already put out my indie, 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.360 my independent record and not solo record, sorry, solo record 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.240 with Death Champ. My wife and I we're gonna have 0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.920 our first child. A third Base is on CBS, right, 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.680 it was on Def Champ, Sony, Def Jam, CBS whatever. 0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:07.720 It was, Death Champ. So I did my solo record. 0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:09.920 It did, it did okay. We did about four hundred 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.920 thousand copies. We had two number one records. It was okay, 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:16.439 It wasn't terrible. It was okay. Um, but I took 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:18.160 a lot of money off the table on that deal 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:21.160 because I never got shipped from Russell before, so I 0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.759 wanted to make sure I kicked off right. So when 0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:28.600 I made the decision to go to Wild Pitch, I said, 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.880 I gotta bring Old with me. So my deal with 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.400 Wild Pitch was I'm gonna have Oh with me and 0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:39.080 we're gonna make his first album OH with With Nas, 0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:41.480 Nas knew what he wanted, he did what he did, 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.520 and it was done. There was some you know, like 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.719 there was some really cool moments during that time, like 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:50.080 me driving him to Mount Vernon forty times to go 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.840 get a hundred tracks from Pete and they finally settled 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.440 on that. But for the most part, like with Cute 0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:58.680 Cute Tip, it was one and done. Primo was you know, 0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:01.520 it was really just simple. It was simple Elios. It 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.600 was in his backyard. Like whatever they did, they did, 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:05.680 you know, it was all of that. And it was 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:10.000 easy with Old s O. See would bring me track 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:13.080 after track after track, and I'd be like, nope, nope, 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:16.799 because for me, as a guy who loves hip hop 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.200 and had the real privilege, like and it's I say 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.600 it as a privilege like I was the Forest Gump 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.080 of hip hop at one point, like anything that ever 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:30.479 happened from like nineteen five to whatever. I was there. 0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.080 I was there when Scotlar Rock died. I was there 0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.640 when k R. S And Milly Mel battled in the 0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:37.839 land Quarter. I was. I mean, I was there at 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:42.400 every juncture of I was there when Public Enemy got 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:44.359 booed off the stage of land Quarter in a year 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:46.719 later came back with Rebel out of pause, Like I mean, 0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:50.000 I was. I was there, Like I was, you know 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:51.640 what I'm saying, Like, yeah, yeah, I was. You know, 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:56.319 I was there. Um. I was there when g Rap 0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:58.239 told me there was a kid in in in left 0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:00.919 rack a k I Rap him and his man we're 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.840 coming together with a group. I was there because he 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:10.759 lived around the corner and had an artist named white Boy. 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:13.439 So I was just the farest gump of hip hop. 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:17.320 I was everywhere right so with Oh, he'd make a 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.000 song after song after song, and I say, no, we're 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.240 not ready. It's not ready. You're not ready, It's not ready. 0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:24.920 And it got to a point when we almost, like 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.080 on a regular basis, we would almost get two fisticuffs 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:31.239 on the roof of Wild Pitch, where I thought every time, 0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:33.440 like I might get thrown off the roof or he 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.240 might get thrown off the roof like but I said, please, 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:39.000 I said, oh, just trust me, trust me. When you 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:44.320 make the right record, we'll know and everything else will happen. 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:49.719 Please believe me. I'm in my office. Oh comes in. 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:53.480 He's dead silent, and he pushes me out of the 0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.160 way from and I'm like, oh, here we go, And 0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:58.840 I said oh, and he said and he pressed a 0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.800 dat player and he put in at that time, hilarious 0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:11.200 is hard car? And my hands have grown like yo, 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:16.640 And I went, I lost, and in my office went, 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.400 oh my god, what's going there? I mean? And we 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:25.040 hugged and he said one, We're done. And two weeks 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.680 later Word Life was done. Two weeks everything came with 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:32.800 no main topic, everything everything. What year was that record? 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.880 When Yo, let me tell you something. I don't know 0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.160 where I'm at in the world, but to have his 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:41.960 hip hop bro. When that I got a call from 0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.480 Flex at the tunnel. I'm in bed with my wife 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.080 and my newborn. If you look at the O C 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.080 album Word Life, on the bottom left corner, there's a 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:53.040 baby in a in a cat in a bastonet with 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.440 light shining on it. That's my daughter. It's my oldest daughter. 0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:59.719 I get a call at midnight. It's Flex from the 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:04.160 ton on come now, and my wife's like, you ain't 0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:06.720 going nowhere. I'm like, Flex just called me to the tunnel. 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:10.239 I'm gone. Like I said, I love you, honey. You 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:14.000 and I will we will work on our relationship. But 0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:18.480 I and I've boogied. I mean I boogied to the tunnel. 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:21.719 And from my house to the tunnel it was like 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:26.000 twenty three minutes. I got them seventeen. By the grace 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.840 of the most high. There was parking right on the block. 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.920 I screwed up. I cut through the line. Jessica lets 0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.080 me through. I get to the DJ booth, gives me 0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:38.680 a hug, he goes watch whatever he was playing, took 0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:50.280 off and the whole crowd. There are times and Davey 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:53.279 Chris May Rest in Peace, grabs me. He goes, I 0:38:53.320 --> 0:39:00.200 need to manage Josie. Right at that time, there was this, 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.200 this was the parallel. There was baby Chris May Rest 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.680 in Peace and he had violator. So yeah, defin it 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:10.279 was Puff with Big and Craig and it was me 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.719 with Nz and O C. And that was that was 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.040 the That was the trifector in New York. That was 0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:19.280 the trilogy Chris had. Chris had violator, so he had 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:21.760 he had bust up and he had you know, so scenario, 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:26.560 he had tribed, he had you know basically basically, but 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.120 he was and he was the go to manager. Puff 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.200 was the go to producer, and I was a go 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.160 to executive production company. And that's what we were, right, 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:37.160 and that's how we kind of had this thing. The 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:40.320 problem was I had oh sign to the wrong label. 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.239 And the other problem was I was a twenty four 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.680 year old who didn't know shit about being an executive. 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:51.680 And while Chris had Leore and Russell and James Cruz 0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:54.920 and Puff had Andre Horrell and this one now one, 0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:58.640 I had nobody, And I was making decisions, making grown 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:02.880 man decisions as a fucking child, because I'm just happy. 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:05.480 I'm just happy to be making music. I'm just happy 0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.040 being able to feed my family and just being able 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:09.400 to do what I love. Like I don't know what 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:13.399 the funk I'm doing right, But I know radio, right, 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.880 so I know that part and I and I and 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:19.760 I know music, but everything else I didn't know anything. 0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.040 I didn't know anything, and that's how I kind of 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:26.080 that's that's where this fell and NASA's deal was I 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:29.120 wasn't gonna do a long term deal with NASA. Wasn't 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:30.799 set like that, and I didn't want me to do 0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:34.200 a long term It was get him right, do it 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:35.840 was written. I didn't want to have my name on 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:37.320 it was written, but I took care of all the 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:41.719 business and that was it right. So that was that, 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:44.520 and then Wild Pitch folded. And as soon as it folded, 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:48.160 I met Mark Echo and I started building Echo Unlimited 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:52.279 with more part of the beginning of the of the 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:55.279 clothing line as well. I did all the marketing and 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.279 promotion for Echo Unlimited at the beginning. When I met Mark, 0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:01.680 Mark was doing shirts on away and it was ill Bill, 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:05.120 my man who we later did not fiction together, who 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.000 said to me, you know, there's this dude. He did 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:09.520 the shirts. You should check them out. He needs help. 0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:12.560 It's that Go Unlimited. So we went from ninety five 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.520 doing I don't know, a couple of hundred thousand a 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:19.319 year to when I left, we were at nine fifty 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:22.279 seven million a year. You know how it turned into 0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:24.839 complex media and yeah, and and and I was so 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:28.040 thankful that Mark allowed me to see that, like to 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.040 watch that he let me watch Complex grow. I'm I'm 0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:35.279 dear friends with Richard Sinello and all the guys up there. Um. 0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:37.080 I even got a little clock made out of me 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.799 and we when we did the Madden two thousand on 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.040 the on the mat, the Echo team on on that team, 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:43.759 so on the team. So yeah, I know, I know. 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.080 Um so it's like you know, so I was one 0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:49.160 of these guys that I was fortunate enough that I 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:54.040 was everywhere and I had the history of radio because 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:57.919 when we were coming up, we were basically told, look, 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.239 if you some fucking white boys that are getting on 0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.879 black radio, you better know every black program director forward 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:06.480 and backwards right because they weren't playing hip hop during 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:10.040 the day, not even on on Kiss nothing. So I 0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:12.040 had to learn all of that. I had to learn 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.839 who these people were, and I learned them, and now 0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:17.600 he did I learned them, but I appreciated them. So 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:20.600 the first radio station even't went to to pitch my 0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:24.160 record step into the AM was Helen Little at d 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:27.160 A S. And Wes Johnson at the time was the head. 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.759 So you had to work your own records. Yeah, yeah, 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.719 how to work I mean work them. So I'm about 0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:35.239 to break it down. So when we went to see 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:38.160 Helen Little at d A S and Philly Shout out 0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:43.799 to Philly Um. She was the first woman in urban 0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:47.160 radio to run a group. D A S was like 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.320 a group. And when I went in there, I started 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.279 telling her about her history, started telling her how I 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.080 knew how she came up. I knew what she did 0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:57.760 because I went to the New York Public Library and studied. 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:02.320 There's no fucking Google. Fucking Google. You know, Google was 0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:04.319 something of baby man. That was a noise of baby man. 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:06.240 You know what I mean. There was no fucking Internet. 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.360 I mean it was me going to the but I 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:12.880 knew them about it. And my favorite story is, so 0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:14.640 we I went in there for forty five minutes. When 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.799 I left, West Wind in there five minutes, comes out 0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:22.320 and this is like a corporate urban station, and West 0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:25.160 West Johnson a rest in peace was He was like 0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:28.680 a mixture between Jim Brown and Don King. He like, 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:33.319 there's six seven and he goes, let me, I don't 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:34.880 want to see you in the fucking back of the 0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:41.200 station right now. And I'm sure I'm fucking six one 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:45.200 two fifteen. He's fucking six six three something, And he 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:50.239 says to me, meet me by the dumpsters. You know 0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:55.320 what that means? And I just said, and he pulls 0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:56.360 me in there and he goes, I want to know 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:58.080 everything you just said to Helen Little. I want to 0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:01.080 know every fucking thing you just said. So my voice 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:05.720 goes up about ten octaves and I run down everything. 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:08.880 He goes. He goes, let me tell you something, and 0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:10.600 tell you something, a little fucking white boy, let me 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:13.600 tell you something. I got public Enemy, I got LLL 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:15.840 cool J, I got Slick Rick. You know what the 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:18.640 funk you just did to me? He was, I gotta 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.160 go back there. Tell them black artists, you're the first 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:23.320 fucking rapper on def jam and have full time rotation 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.960 on fucking d as. Whatever the funk you just did 0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:27.800 in there, you're gonna do it at every other station 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:30.280 we go. We're going to Philly, We're going to Baltimore 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:33.640 next uh. And I had to learn all those dudes, 0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:40.840 and he benefited. But I mean, man, I didn't know 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:46.120 there's a rumor or not. But you wrote on Baby Kids, 0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:50.040 I wrote. I wrote five four songs on Baby Kids. 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:55.120 The soundtrack I wrote, I wrote, I wrote the Jefferson song. 0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:58.640 I wrote the Money song. Yeah, I wrote all of that. Yeah, 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.040 I wrote all of that. So you got to meet 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:04.840 um the late grade. No No, I actually was connected 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.800 to a friend of mine, Bill Stephanie. He was executive 0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:09.400 producer of the music soundtrack, and he's like, yeah, I 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:13.360 need you to write How was that cool? You know 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:20.919 baby Kids one of my favorite car No. But but 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:24.040 that was also the funny thing was when I was 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:26.640 in the middle of my kind of transition out of 0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:30.000 out of hip hop, people like Barry Weiss, you know, 0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:33.279 they would say, Hey, if you're ever done rapping, come 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:37.759 work for my promotion department. Do promo. So when I 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:39.520 went back to Deaf Jam, I wasn't Deaf Jam as 0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:42.000 an artist. I went there as running the HR department, 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:44.759 and when I left there, I started working records and 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.239 when the first records I worked was Nori's Records, but 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:52.160 also search like promotion. I think of every hip hop 0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:54.000 record that it came out of a label we worked. 0:45:55.200 --> 0:46:00.160 So now let me fast forward. You work with as 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:06.640 you do this as a j actually have this moment 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:13.839 against each other, and Jay uses you as a punchline. 0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:20.479 He says, I know who I pay God like publishing. Yeah, 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.239 he said, but you weren't getting paid dog, you were 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.080 getting fucked. Then I know who I paid dogs Search Publishing. 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:29.680 So the story, the true story about that, it's really crazy. 0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:31.959 I don't know, I don't know. It's a great story. Yeah. 0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:36.760 So I'm the head of hr at Deaf Jam and uh, 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:41.120 they're about to put out that reasonable is doubt and 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:45.160 Kareem I think it was Kareem. It was either Kareem 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:48.520 Dame and Jay or Dame and j come to my 0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:50.880 office and said, hey, you gotta clear this sample, this 0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:54.880 dead president sample take care of us. I said, okay, 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:59.040 no problem, give me, but just know we're gonna have 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:02.520 the sending a record on the publishing. He was like, 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.080 all right, cool, that was it. He gave me a 0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:08.400 check for I delivered it to Zombo. But if you 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:12.799 look at the loner notes on dead Presidents, nas is 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:15.239 one of the publishers. So I said, yeah, that line 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.840 can live as much as it lives. But Jay don't 0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.359 own a piece of Naz's catalog. But Nazzos and piece 0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:24.959 of Jay's catalog. And that's a fact. Though we didn't 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:27.400 know that. We didn't because we thought like when he 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:31.759 said that stas like publishing, that um that he was 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:36.360 meaning that that nasn't have none of his public no no, no, no, 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:39.200 no no no. I have a yeah, I have a 0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:42.359 five percent admin fee, which I'm like to this day 0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:45.440 on those two albums. I just make sure like things 0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:47.959 like if NAS wants to do it, I just signed off. 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:51.319 I said, like for me, like, when I think about 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:55.200 being a production company, right, I think there's two trains. 0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:58.800 I thought. Train one is the artists ain't ship and 0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:01.520 the production company makes all the money. Right. What a 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.399 second train is the artist saint ship and I'm gonna 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:07.120 figure out how to jerk the artist. That's most of 0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:10.120 how hip hop is running their production companies. I had 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:12.799 a third training train of thought, which was I wasn't 0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:15.000 gonna be the jew to take take advantage of a 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.320 black man, so I don't need to get wealthy off No, 0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:21.520 and I don't. My checks are very humble, and I'm 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.600 okay with that because they're gonna go for the rest 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:27.240 of my life. You know, when you think about streaming today, right, 0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:31.360 and you think about all Mattic, Allmatic stremes four hundred 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:37.880 million a year to this day, I get my fair share. 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:39.880 I don't get more than I deserve. I don't get 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:42.680 less than I deserve. I get exactly what the contract says, 0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.520 in fact, and I'll keep it a buck with all 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:49.240 of y'all. Two thousand seven, I get a letter from Sony. 0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:52.279 They say, oh, we we overpaid you, so you're not 0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:55.800 gonna be getting a check. And my lawyer goes, O, 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:58.960 we're gonna sue and us. We're not gonna let it rock. 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:03.239 We'll work eventually. We're really cool. And we did took 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:07.160 like ten years because I don't give a fuck. What 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:09.880 was the basis of them saying they overpaid. They said 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:16.440 that the Artists royalty that I got paid was congruent 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.640 with what NAS was supposed to get paid. So I 0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:23.920 essentially got NAS royalties, but NAS didn't. It wasn't minus 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:26.320 roll off nazis ship. They basically paid like it was 0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:28.879 like double dipping. So they paid me exactly what they're 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:32.239 paying NAZ. But it wasn't accurate either, because the fact 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:34.840 of the matter is NAS was that like X amount 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:37.000 of points and I was at three. So that was 0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:39.480 the only correction we told them, And after they made 0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:42.360 that correction, they fixed it. We kept it moving. It 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:46.080 was done when and done, but it took like ten years. 0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:49.319 For me to ever see another check and again, I'm 0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:53.640 okay with that because to me, the ability to earn 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:57.480 isn't about one thing, right I learned a long time ago. 0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.440 It's not the strong who survives. It's a flexible right. 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.560 So I would much rather fight Mike Tyson and a 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:08.040 yogi because Yogi's gonna bend me up in fucking ways 0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:10.239 that I'm never gonna get fixed again. At least with Mike. 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.720 I know when it's coming, I see the punch coming. 0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:16.000 I know I'm gonna get Yogi yoga like a yoga person, 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.560 the guy who's like con bending, because if he like 0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:24.520 he fucking grabs you like Yogi grabbs you, bro, and 0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:27.239 he starts he knows how to bend up yo, you 0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.799 might get fucked up for life. At least if Mike 0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.879 hits you, you won't be in pain. Let's be real clear. 0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:35.319 You want to be in pain, but you're going to 0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:38.760 be able to recover. But if if a Yogi bend 0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:41.839 you in a way, your body might never recover. So 0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:44.279 I say, I would much rather be flexible. I much 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:46.880 I much rather be like water than be like a 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.479 fucking wall. But did you receive like like slack because 0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:52.279 of that, because a lot of people, like I said, 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:55.960 a lot of people took it as search as publishing. No, 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:58.760 in fact, it was the exact opposite. Whenever that fucking 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:00.960 verse came on in the club. But I would get loved, 0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:03.720 like because my name got mentioned. People didn't even realize 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.279 what it meant. They were like, oh ship, not Jay 0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:11.040 mentioned Search. That's crazy. So you're sure he never got 0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:15.600 nothing bad, like even from like naas campus. It's all 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:18.360 love all the time, you know, even like if you 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:20.719 think about all the times NASA has mentioned me on 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:23.680 his records, there's like seven records where he mentioned like 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:26.520 our friendship or how I did him right, you know 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.799 what I mean, Like he's never once said anything bad 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:31.280 about me because he has no reason because I treated 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:33.560 him like a grown ass man. I treated him like 0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:38.560 a professional, and I treated his music like a business, 0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:40.719 so that he would never have to worry, and his 0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:42.960 daughter would never have to worry. His daughter and my 0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:46.279 daughter same age, they were born a month apart. His 0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:49.719 daughter and my daughter never have to worry. God dare 0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:55.439 to make some noise for that. So did you ever 0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:58.920 repair the beef with mc hammer? He gave him the 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:02.959 gas face. Yeah, no, no, we never I've never listened 0:52:03.000 --> 0:52:05.319 to the gas face again. And he's his might have 0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:09.160 been the harshest gas face. He gave out something, he 0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:11.080 put out a hit on you or something. Yeah, but 0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:13.399 I worry And who the hell is l worry? Calling 0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:18.360 that was legal? Why does everywhere? Oh not? Because we 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:20.160 just wanted to make We wanted to make fun of. 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:26.000 But here's the thing. So I've been in recovery now 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:28.759 to be ten yars, right, So one of the things 0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:31.680 that I'm coming up to in nine years of recovery 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:35.760 is making amends. And you know, you gotta make amends 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:39.680 of him. Yeah, can I see from the outside looking in? 0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:43.200 But then I want you to continue to make your amends. 0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:46.279 But I looked at it again today and I no, 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:48.000 one just said this earlier, but I want to just 0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:50.080 be ere that ry. I think his might have been 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:52.440 the most harsh gas space because you pay his glasses 0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:57.160 and the AMMA yeah thing. Then you had a guy 0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:00.200 walked through that that was the two big ms. See 0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:04.000 that was his COVID. But no, but the point is, okay, 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.680 what happened, Well, the point was that he disc roun 0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:11.000 DMC and and for me, being a queen's kid and 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:13.360 having jam Master Jay May Rest in Peace put me 0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:17.279 in the game. It was unforgivable, Like it was unforgivable, 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:20.000 but it was an MC thing. It wasn't a person 0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:24.640 a clue. What do we think about? How but that's 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:30.200 not like but that's not that's not put the hit 0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:35.000 out on us. He put Yeah, he put the head 0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:38.320 out on it. Put the hit out on us. Because 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:42.520 my old partner on the Cactus record, which was a 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:46.759 song on the album Hamma's Record, was plea turned his 0:53:46.840 --> 0:54:00.239 mother outright. My my old rom and partner said that 0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:04.879 the Cactus our album, the Cactus turned Hammer's mother out right. 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:09.360 But that and let's be real clear about two things. 0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:15.880 Where will lyricists first and always, that was a dope 0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:22.440 fucking line. Period. If I thought for one second, because 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.240 I love my mother, if I thought for one second 0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:29.800 that someone would have misinterpreted that, I would have told 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:33.000 that dude to take the line off the record. Look, 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:37.920 you know what I'm saying. I'm not the Cactus turned 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:40.680 his mother out, but I didn't say it. And I 0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:43.879 but again, I'm because I'm the one who's in the front, 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:47.960 because I'm the one I took the heat. And because 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:50.360 it was it was in response to the run DMC. 0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:53.000 This you're saying he it was not. And also because 0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:56.440 his album was trash, right, like we didn't like his album. 0:54:56.480 --> 0:55:00.839 We were from New York trash you guys a lot 0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:05.239 of the country everywhere. And again for retrospect, looking at 0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:07.640 him for now, his career is is a pretty incredible career. 0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:14.799 The where we were was that there was New York 0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:17.560 and there was nothing else that once you left the 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:21.480 try state talking about this all the time, trying to 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:31.359 tell you and when you're a kid from Queens from 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:33.640 Far Rock who has never been on a plane before, 0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:38.040 who's never been outside the state before, to have somebody 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:40.600 come from someplace else that you don't even know about, 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:46.959 and this run DMC. And for me personally, Jay heard 0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:49.520 me Ron, so we had a reason this front them. 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:57.719 I think it's just ahead go aheads on helping this 0:55:57.760 --> 0:56:01.759 guy out so much in our argument. But let me 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:05.759 finished and mind you him, that's the Bay Area. It's 0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:09.759 no joke. Yeah, but you're saying at that time, like 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:12.719 New York, for lack of a better term, looked at 0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:16.000 everybody else. Look, if you're not from New York. It's whack. 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:18.759 That's the way the sentiment was put out there from 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:23.560 New York at that time. N w A was different 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:29.439 because n w A respected you know, the beats that 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:34.479 Dre had on that album were heavily influenced by Third Base. 0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:37.800 In fact, when ice Cube said it on this show, 0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:41.680 when Ice Cube came to New York, he came to 0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:44.960 work with our old producer from the Cactus, because that 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:50.759 ship slapped right. Even m C eight from Compton's Most 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:53.759 Wanted on their biggest record one Time gaffled him up 0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:56.600 on the second verse. He said, they got pulled over 0:56:56.680 --> 0:57:00.520 bumping the Cactus. You know what I'm saying. So it 0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:04.400 was different. And also the message that first time finished. 0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:09.400 Their message was different because we were about the police, 0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:12.520 we were about the dope man, We were about that. 0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:16.080 We weren't about Drake saying some dropped science, we dropped English, 0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:19.560 we weren't about that. But we were about everything else, 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:24.200 and they respected the production and Cube respected what we 0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:28.400 did right. So l it was different, and it's again 0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:31.720 it's Iced Tea. It's different. It was just cut different. 0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:36.240 The hip hop that Hammer was doing at the time 0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:39.640 was not indicative of what we thought was real hip hop, 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:45.040 native tongues, n W A Queen Latifa, Eric being rock Kim. 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:49.080 You know it was. It wasn't right. So if I 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:51.320 would have thought it was reflection of like Vanilla Ice 0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:58.600 type of type of thing, well it was. It was him. 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:02.080 I mean, Vanillized was worse than Hammer because at least 0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:10.120 at least Hammers black. But he came from an authentic place. Hammer, brother, 0:58:10.240 --> 0:58:15.960 you like it or not that subjective? No, no no, no, no, 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:18.920 it's not no, no, He's absolutely right. But the point 0:58:19.080 --> 0:58:23.280 was the music wasn't where we were in our hearts 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:25.600 and in our minds. It wasn't where we were. And 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:28.520 it pissed me off that I would listen to New 0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:32.520 York Radio and not Here Day Law and not here Tribe, 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:37.280 but I'd hear mc hammer and Vanillias. It's fucking crazy. 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:41.560 That's why we made Popko's Weasel because it's fucking crazy. 0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:44.520 Over that I have a clash and we're like, I mean, no, 0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:48.080 I'm never meant to do. But the point is does 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:52.760 not happen. It happens all the time, every every every 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:55.360 fucking mass shooting in this country's white on white crime. 0:58:57.520 --> 0:58:59.919 But yeah, no, why don't white Wrap. No, the Beast 0:59:00.040 --> 0:59:03.840 Boys never clashed. No, we did. We did we have. 0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:10.120 I'm so surprised. You don't know. It's not not me. No, 0:59:10.480 --> 0:59:12.200 you know what I mean. Come on, baby, you know 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:14.960 what I mean. No. So me and Mike d clashed, 0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:20.479 um early, early on before the Cactus album came out. Um. 0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:24.720 I actually talked about this in the BC Boy book. Um. 0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:28.560 We clashed because I went to Mike Dee's house and 0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:32.520 I asked him about the side. Yeah. This was like, yeah, 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:37.280 this is on Barrow Street when h Russell moved on 0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:41.320 Barrow Street. So we went over to I went over 0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:42.960 to Mike's house and I said, you know, I need 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:46.919 some help. Russell's you know, Sheldon our record. It's damn 0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:48.919 you have finished, you know. And they had already left 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:52.240 to go to Capitol, and he was giving me great advice, 0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:53.960 like he was like, Yo, you gotta do this, you 0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:56.320 gotta make sure this, this and this. I was like, cool, 0:59:56.520 --> 0:59:58.760 he already starts this after no sleep to Brooklyness is 0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:04.840 already okay five yea solidified. And as I'm leaving the crib, 1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:07.400 he saw storming ship at me, like laughing, like sponge 1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:11.400 things and things. He's laughing. So I'm like, he's physically 1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:14.440 throwing ship. He's like he's like, he's like, he's like going, 1:00:16.000 --> 1:00:22.640 He's like later up, later, up, and I'm like whatever. 1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:27.440 But then later, like six months later, Spin Magazine did 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:30.840 a piece on Poles Boutique and we had already dropped 1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:33.040 stepping today and the gas face was already a hip bubble, 1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:35.560 and they asked him, what do you think about third base? 1:00:36.200 --> 1:00:38.560 And Mike D said in this article, he said, yeah, 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:40.919 search came to my house and he said some ship 1:00:41.000 --> 1:00:43.120 not threw ship at him. And I'm like, oh, this 1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:45.720 motherfucker is about to fucking get it. So then we 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:47.840 went back in. We did sons a third Base on 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:50.160 the first that's the first cut on the Cactus album, 1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:52.160 because we wanted to let it know him, like, Yo, 1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:55.800 where the motherfucker's like if you're gonna like white people 1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:58.120 in hip hop, like some motherfuckers that are from the block, 1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:01.280 like really like some d's out for you for real, 1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:04.080 like with Alcatraz for real. You know what I mean? 1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:06.520 Because that's what that's what we called. That's what we 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:08.320 called for Rockaway because it was only one way on 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:14.920 and one way all right. So the impetus of that battle. 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:18.200 That beef was that and since then we've we got 1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:20.440 cool like I'm a piece. But yeah, before he died, 1:01:20.520 --> 1:01:22.760 like I had him on my syndicated radio show, like 1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:26.120 me and Michael Cool and and you know, I did 1:01:26.200 --> 1:01:29.080 their book and you know it's all love. But at 1:01:29.080 --> 1:01:32.960 the time, we felt like we had to be like 1:01:34.880 --> 1:01:37.120 the Knights, like we had to be the white Knight 1:01:37.160 --> 1:01:39.400 of hip hop. We had to save the culture right 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:47.680 because we felt like nobody's helping. You know what, I'm black, 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:52.840 had to be a white guy. Black must have been 1:01:52.840 --> 1:01:55.080 a white guy that started all that. Make the gas 1:01:55.080 --> 1:01:58.520 face for it was a little white lies. So when 1:01:58.520 --> 1:02:01.200 we did Pop Goos the Weasel, it was simple philosophy 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:04.160 for us. We're gonna take a huge fucking pop record, 1:02:04.560 --> 1:02:09.080 fucking sledge hammer, and we're gonna fucking dis pop radio 1:02:09.200 --> 1:02:12.120 and we're gonna diss everything they do. So if the 1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:14.680 record blows up and we go to pop radio, we 1:02:14.720 --> 1:02:16.160 can go in there and be like, yeah, why aren't 1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:18.360 you playing this? Why aren't you playing that? Why while 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:20.360 we're here, you're gonna play this, this, this and this 1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:22.959 and this and this and this and this. It didn't work. 1:02:23.920 --> 1:02:26.560 We just became what we didn't want to be. And 1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:30.800 for me, my whole career was performing in front of 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:34.560 black people, And within six months I got white guys 1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:36.720 stage driving off my fucking stage. Like I was, like, 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:39.640 the fun is this? Like I don't even understand none 1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:41.680 of this, Like I don't want to stand what's going on? 1:02:41.800 --> 1:02:45.800 Like what what kind of fucking bizarro world did I 1:02:45.840 --> 1:02:50.360 just walk into? Right? Um? But for me, it's always 1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:54.400 been preserving black culture, and it's also been about representing 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:57.720 protecting artists. You know, it's always been there, you know, 1:02:57.760 --> 1:03:00.400 even you know, and I'm gonna pivot up, but even 1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:03.400 with like Timeless, with our podcast company, like we just 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:06.000 did a whole series on Big Daddy kne that's coming out. 1:03:06.560 --> 1:03:09.800 Kane owns all that content. I don't own it. I 1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:13.280 licensed it to him for fifteen years. I paid him 1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:16.520 to do it, and we did it. In immersive sound design, 1:03:17.000 --> 1:03:21.120 I spent almost a year negotiating with w Atmost to 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:25.160 understand the schematics of how the EarPods work, how headphones work, 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:27.560 so we could do five point once around sound. So 1:03:27.600 --> 1:03:30.320 when you funk with our our podcast, you hear that ship, 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:33.880 You hear fucking Kane in l G. You hear Kane 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:35.960 on the block in Brooklyn, you hear when they're doing 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:38.560 the karate kicks, watching the fucking Kung Fu movies on 1:03:38.640 --> 1:03:42.960 forty two, like I wanted his story, kane story to 1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:45.720 be more than the oratory, like I wanted you to 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:50.280 be and understand the environment that he came from. Oh, 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:53.760 it's a new artist. I say new, I mean new, new, new, 1:03:54.200 --> 1:03:56.880 new artists that to fun well, maybe were not signed, 1:03:57.440 --> 1:03:59.960 but that you you listen to it and appreciate, enjoy. 1:04:00.400 --> 1:04:03.960 Right now, probably the biggest artist I funk with is 1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:05.680 this kid out of Feeling name O T the Real. 1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:10.080 I fucking loved this dude. He's a fucking monster. There's 1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:14.400 another kid out of Atlanta that I funk with, heavy 1:04:14.560 --> 1:04:18.360 year old kid named Surf put out three mixtapes called 1:04:18.360 --> 1:04:21.680 Bad Human, Badder Human, and Baddist Human. They put out 1:04:21.680 --> 1:04:24.320 a new EP calls the Standing Injury. That kid is 1:04:24.360 --> 1:04:28.920 fucking hard body. I love that lyrics, but also his 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:32.320 understanding of who he is that one years old and 1:04:32.360 --> 1:04:37.160 his storytelling. Um I funk with him heavy. Um lyricism 1:04:37.200 --> 1:04:39.600 is dead. No, definitely not a funk with you know what? 1:04:39.680 --> 1:04:42.440 Who I just listened to and I love is Rob Markman. 1:04:42.800 --> 1:04:44.440 I listen, I listened to Boring the Right, and I 1:04:44.520 --> 1:04:47.840 just listened to his new album. You know what I'm saying, 1:04:47.880 --> 1:04:50.240 And like, you know what I'm saying. So there's like 1:04:50.280 --> 1:04:52.840 a lot of new artists that I funk with. I'm 1:04:52.880 --> 1:04:58.320 not you know what I'm saying, Like about raving journalists. 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:00.920 Here a journalists turn rapper, and like, I'm not one 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:04.440 of these dudes. I'll never be one of these dudes 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:07.520 that get stuck in an arrow. You know, Nielsen just 1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:10.720 did a report that said of men and women over 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:15.040 thirty stopped listening to new music only two and after thirty, 1:05:15.080 --> 1:05:17.800 you only go back to the artist that you love. Right, 1:05:18.240 --> 1:05:21.160 I'm not that dude. I'm just not that dude. You know. 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:26.400 I love well no, because you're still immersed. But when 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:29.760 you think about becoming thirty thirty two and you're not 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.480 in the music business, what does that become? Right? It 1:05:32.520 --> 1:05:36.520 becomes responsibilities, it becomes jobs, it becomes family, becomes children, 1:05:36.520 --> 1:05:39.080 it becomes debt, it becomes you know, so you're not 1:05:39.360 --> 1:05:41.080 digging in the crates like you want to. You're not 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:43.640 going to debt piff anymore. You're not going to SoundCloud. 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:46.160 You're not going to band camp. You're taking your kids 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:48.040 to fucking date camp. You know you're not You're not, 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:51.680 You're not here. You talking about Clubhouse earlier. Yeah, you're 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:53.960 on Clubhouse. Yeah, I got the largest club in the 1:05:54.000 --> 1:06:00.920 fucking Clubhouse. We have UM it's called the New Money Moguls, 1:06:01.560 --> 1:06:05.400 and we have a meeting every Tuesday called Problem Solvers. 1:06:05.920 --> 1:06:08.520 It's with some of the greatest minds you've ever met. 1:06:09.000 --> 1:06:12.000 Leontine who is the only woman ever run Jordan Brand, 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:16.320 Dante Simpson, who did East bat TV, who did um 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:20.440 the Little Nasax for Roadblocks, and did Travis Scott. He 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:23.720 did those two deals for Fortnite. He's on them. Mark 1:06:23.800 --> 1:06:28.240 Buyer's former GM of Motown, who handles the Marvin Gaya State, 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:31.040 who handles all the consulting for Burner Boy. He's in 1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:35.200 there Aria right, twenty year veteran at Diagio, knows distribution 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:37.960 backwards and forwards. So we have about five to six 1:06:38.040 --> 1:06:42.280 hundred people every week and we solve them. We problem 1:06:42.320 --> 1:06:45.720 solved what I'm tired of in Clubhouse. And I see 1:06:45.760 --> 1:06:48.720 this all the time. People want to talk but didn't 1:06:48.720 --> 1:06:51.800 want an expert but it's okay to be an expert, 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:56.680 but be an expert at help, Like I break down 1:06:56.680 --> 1:07:00.440 my life to this point like this. In my twenties, thirties, 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:02.520 my forties, and my fifties, all I do is learned. 1:07:02.800 --> 1:07:05.760 I continue to learn. My twenties, all I did was learned. 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:08.240 I didn't earn. I didn't do anything else. I learned. 1:07:08.280 --> 1:07:12.080 I just studied, learned, study learned. Thirties, I learned, I earned, 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:15.240 but I churned. If you was fucking whack, if you 1:07:15.240 --> 1:07:18.080 were not benefiting my life, you're fucking out of here. 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:21.320 You'd get the Christmas card, and you get the Hanaker card, 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:24.040 and you get the New Year's but you're done. Forties, 1:07:24.280 --> 1:07:26.919 I was learned, churn and earn. I made more money 1:07:26.960 --> 1:07:29.160 in my forties and I did my whole life. But 1:07:29.200 --> 1:07:32.640 now in my fifties, I churn. I learn I earn 1:07:32.720 --> 1:07:36.720 in our return. So problem solving is about you got 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:39.760 a business, what's your business situation? Or this is your 1:07:39.760 --> 1:07:41.960 business situation. Oh well that person is right here, he's 1:07:41.960 --> 1:07:44.480 in this room, bring him up, bring him up, boom. 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:47.560 So we do three things and problem solvers one is 1:07:47.600 --> 1:07:50.640 we connect you with people. Period. Oh you got a 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:53.360 clothing company. You need distribution, here's my man. He got 1:07:53.360 --> 1:07:56.600 six fucking plants in China. Done. Oh you need Amazon, 1:07:56.840 --> 1:07:59.000 my man is an expert at Amazon. Done. Oh you 1:07:59.080 --> 1:08:01.840 need radio from motion, my man does this. Done. So 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:05.040 that's one. Two. We check you out, We evaluate, and 1:08:05.080 --> 1:08:07.280 then we point out what you're doing wrong. Oh you 1:08:07.360 --> 1:08:10.200 got a problem with social media. Fix that. You've got 1:08:10.240 --> 1:08:13.080 a problem with this. Fix that for three. Damn. I 1:08:13.160 --> 1:08:15.600 like what you do. I like your move I like 1:08:15.680 --> 1:08:17.960 the way you're moving. We're gonna invest in you. Come 1:08:18.240 --> 1:08:20.200 with us after the meeting, and then we have a 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:22.920 meeting and our advisory board comes together and we give 1:08:22.920 --> 1:08:26.479 you paper and we either become a partner with you 1:08:26.680 --> 1:08:29.160 short term, the term, or long term. And that's what 1:08:29.240 --> 1:08:33.719 we do on Clubhouse. Let me ask yourself serious something 1:08:34.160 --> 1:08:38.360 If and started this podcast once one, we said we 1:08:38.360 --> 1:08:41.479 wanted to interview legends. We wanted to interview people such 1:08:41.479 --> 1:08:44.200 as yourself have been in the game that you know 1:08:44.320 --> 1:08:46.679 sometimes you know when this is a young mad's game, 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:50.640 so sometimes we get overlooked. That's one thing, but not 1:08:50.720 --> 1:08:55.240 only that. We wanted to uh show love and a 1:08:55.320 --> 1:08:58.640 maya to the people that came before us with this 1:08:58.720 --> 1:09:02.800 hip hop union. We really want to form a real 1:09:02.920 --> 1:09:07.320 hip hop union where a person has ten years of 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:11.280 more put this game in. And maybe he didn't, you know, 1:09:13.680 --> 1:09:16.800 making jay Z status. He didn't make it to a 1:09:17.400 --> 1:09:21.680 like a sag like sag, But I feel that's the 1:09:24.280 --> 1:09:25.720 can I ask you a couple of questions if you 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:30.080 don't mind problem, what's the purpose? In one sentence, what's 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:32.720 the purpose we should take care of all? Because I 1:09:32.720 --> 1:09:34.680 feel like I feel like a hip hop like you know, 1:09:34.760 --> 1:09:38.559 one thing about you, um, when I look at you 1:09:38.720 --> 1:09:42.840 and all honesty and respect, I see you before I 1:09:42.880 --> 1:09:45.519 see you as a as as a white person, I 1:09:45.520 --> 1:09:49.680 look at you as a hip hop person. And to me, 1:09:49.840 --> 1:09:53.519 hip hop is a race in itself. Fact, if I 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:55.360 would have to pick first, I would say I'm hip 1:09:55.400 --> 1:09:59.360 hop first, and then I'm Black and Porto Rican, but 1:09:59.520 --> 1:10:01.519 hip hop because it's just and I feel like there's 1:10:01.520 --> 1:10:04.439 a lot of people that's like me that identify that. Now, 1:10:04.479 --> 1:10:07.680 if you came in this game and it's just like 1:10:07.720 --> 1:10:10.040 if you look at these old documentaries, you look at this. 1:10:10.400 --> 1:10:13.360 That's why I was so glad you cleared up the publisher, 1:10:13.600 --> 1:10:16.080 but you look at it was this this this image 1:10:16.080 --> 1:10:18.920 of these people taking advantage of these kids, just eating 1:10:18.960 --> 1:10:21.120 off of them for the rest of their life and 1:10:21.160 --> 1:10:24.080 them never being able Like I just seen um. I 1:10:24.080 --> 1:10:26.800 think O J the Juice Man say that he has 1:10:26.840 --> 1:10:32.679 to die ten years before he could even his kids 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:36.280 could even he has to be dead ten years before 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:41.080 his kids could even think about owning the rights to 1:10:41.160 --> 1:10:44.799 his first. Short term is creating an opportunity for artists 1:10:44.880 --> 1:10:48.519 both young and new, to establish some sort of funding 1:10:49.040 --> 1:10:52.640 where they are protected short and mid term and long term. 1:10:52.720 --> 1:10:55.639 So the process, if I'm hearing you correctly, for the second, 1:10:56.160 --> 1:10:57.559 I think you need to let me finish because the 1:10:57.560 --> 1:10:59.800 thing so we might have two different visions. I want 1:10:59.800 --> 1:11:04.840 to tell your thinking about it. This is you've being 1:11:04.920 --> 1:11:08.840 from for Rock Rock for people that know it's probably 1:11:08.960 --> 1:11:12.040 one of the hardest and shout out to another kid, 1:11:12.080 --> 1:11:14.479 Bobby J from Rockaway. That kid is a fucking monster, 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:18.960 one of the hardest places in Queens. But the thing 1:11:19.000 --> 1:11:21.640 about that is most people that will make it for 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:26.599 for Rock, most people that will get this opportunity, they're 1:11:26.640 --> 1:11:30.679 seeing a number in their face and they're not thinking 1:11:30.680 --> 1:11:32.960 about ConA on the lawyer, They're not thinking about corner 1:11:32.960 --> 1:11:36.000 on the manager. They're thinking about what you said, get 1:11:36.040 --> 1:11:40.400 them out of the projects like you like, But I 1:11:40.479 --> 1:11:43.639 lovingly refer to agement, right, and you know you got 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:46.280 from you know, Queen's Bridge, the forty projects to all 1:11:46.320 --> 1:11:49.360 these different places that these people have, these these these 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:53.479 talented and when they make it to a certain level, Uh, 1:11:53.600 --> 1:11:57.360 there's people who who who who who does take advantage? 1:11:57.560 --> 1:12:00.120 But look, let's remember why we started the conversation. As 1:12:00.320 --> 1:12:04.040 we started, because there was pioneers getting sick without having 1:12:04.040 --> 1:12:06.440 health insurance. Is That's not what it started the conversation. 1:12:06.720 --> 1:12:08.639 So what I was saying, like a SAG that gives 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:12.920 access to insurance, to health insurance, maybe starts to create 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:15.719 some kind of retirement fund. But but I say sad 1:12:15.760 --> 1:12:17.960 because SAG is as much as you put into it 1:12:18.000 --> 1:12:19.840 is what you kind of get out of it, you know, 1:12:19.840 --> 1:12:24.360 because everybody's gonna be You know what Rocky Buconos is 1:12:24.400 --> 1:12:27.280 doing at Hip Hop Museum with putting the top floor 1:12:28.560 --> 1:12:33.280 museum Cocoa rock giving them permanent they don't in the Bronx. 1:12:35.880 --> 1:12:40.200 So what Rocky is doing is similar. He's creating lower 1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:43.679 income housing for people there permanently, right, So it's that 1:12:44.000 --> 1:12:47.720 he's also creating housing for Theodore for Cocola rock so 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:49.880 they never have to pay rent ever again for him 1:12:49.880 --> 1:12:53.680 and his families. Right, hit more about but then we 1:12:53.720 --> 1:12:55.960 need to have Rocky on him. But the point is, 1:12:56.040 --> 1:12:59.000 but the point is, didn't Wendy Day do that with 1:12:59.120 --> 1:13:01.800 rap coalition? Didn't you do that? And trying to take 1:13:01.840 --> 1:13:04.920 care of you know, cash money, trying to take care 1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:11.600 of right. But what happened, what happened to Wendy Day? 1:13:11.920 --> 1:13:15.360 What happened? She definitely got sidelined, right, not only get sigelined, 1:13:15.400 --> 1:13:18.320 she got silenced, and then the people that were supposed 1:13:18.320 --> 1:13:20.160 to take care of her didn't take care of her. Right. 1:13:20.479 --> 1:13:24.400 So a union only works if the people that are 1:13:24.400 --> 1:13:27.599 buying into the union continue to support the union. Right. 1:13:27.640 --> 1:13:31.519 So the reason why sag after works is, yeah, you 1:13:31.520 --> 1:13:34.840 can be in the union because your gat right, So 1:13:35.280 --> 1:13:39.639 it's counting for the masses. The other thing in the days, 1:13:39.680 --> 1:13:44.120 the unions and the a couple of my people that 1:13:44.200 --> 1:13:52.559 I know that's from you know a certain and here's 1:13:52.560 --> 1:13:56.760 the other part of it. But but the other part 1:13:56.760 --> 1:13:59.080 of it, that is the vital part of it, right, 1:13:59.640 --> 1:14:02.760 is that if you take an artist like jay Z 1:14:03.080 --> 1:14:05.240 and he said I'm charging motherfucker's for what they did 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:09.519 to the Cold Crush. Right. That line is only as 1:14:09.560 --> 1:14:12.559 powerful as what he actually gives back to the Cold Crush, Right, 1:14:12.680 --> 1:14:15.120 So we're talking about Cold Crush. We're talking about right. 1:14:15.400 --> 1:14:18.400 So on my podcast, the end of episode one with Kane, 1:14:19.000 --> 1:14:22.760 Kane talks about the most influential m C in his life. 1:14:22.840 --> 1:14:24.800 You're gonna bug out because we've we've been talking about 1:14:24.800 --> 1:14:27.600 his Grandmaster Cast. Right. So in the end of the 1:14:27.600 --> 1:14:30.240 episode one of the podcasts, he starts to recite cas 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:32.640 lyrics from a Park Champ that he heard on a 1:14:32.720 --> 1:14:36.160 fourth generation cassette tape, like it was written yesterday. So 1:14:36.200 --> 1:14:38.320 we interviewed Cast and I said, Cast, do you remember 1:14:38.360 --> 1:14:40.880 these lyrics? And he's like, ship, those are That's what 1:14:40.920 --> 1:14:44.400 I call classics. And he starts roming them and I 1:14:44.560 --> 1:14:47.679 leaned back and I said, Fuck, what if something happens 1:14:47.680 --> 1:14:52.240 to Cast the lyrics disappear. We gotta make a record. 1:14:52.880 --> 1:14:54.479 We gotta make a record now, and it's got to 1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:57.720 end the first episode. So we did, right, and we 1:14:57.840 --> 1:15:02.000 gave it to him, publishing royalties, everything, gave it to him. 1:15:06.040 --> 1:15:09.960 What the funk? He just said? So May nine n 1:15:10.000 --> 1:15:14.920 F t auction for that record. That's the union. That's 1:15:14.960 --> 1:15:18.519 the union. It doesn't have to be organized, it has 1:15:18.560 --> 1:15:22.040 to be curated and executed, and it doesn't need to 1:15:22.080 --> 1:15:24.680 be tend people in a room to argue about what 1:15:24.760 --> 1:15:28.480 you want and you want. It's just fucking do it. 1:15:28.680 --> 1:15:31.360 Fucking do it, problem solver. That's why I did problem solver. 1:15:31.960 --> 1:15:34.559 You and I can sit here. He can smoke weed 1:15:34.600 --> 1:15:36.400 all day, you could drink all day. We could fucking 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:42.360 philosophize all day. Do it right. So here's my here's 1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:46.840 my small contribution to that. Right. It's one thing, but 1:15:46.880 --> 1:15:52.519 it's the first record has have owned for life. I 1:15:52.520 --> 1:15:54.960 don't own it. I gave it to him. And the 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:58.639 record fucking is a bot that should ain't some corny 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:04.880 fucking no. That ship is fucking a fucking smash play it. 1:16:07.640 --> 1:16:14.200 You turn that shut up. I'm talking to cat to 1:16:14.280 --> 1:16:21.120 come so to me. That's the answer. You know, I 1:16:21.160 --> 1:16:23.680 think we do a lot of philosophers and in hip hop, right, 1:16:23.760 --> 1:16:26.439 we grew up with the idea of how do we 1:16:26.720 --> 1:16:31.640 create something that is ideas into curation. Right, got a 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:38.400 great director, Gil Green here already takes ideas. You know, 1:16:39.040 --> 1:16:42.960 Gil will take words and create amazing images on screens, right, 1:16:43.000 --> 1:16:46.880 and I love you brother, but it he can't do 1:16:46.920 --> 1:16:48.640 what he does if he sits for six months on 1:16:48.640 --> 1:16:53.360 a fucking idea, because then they're gonna move forward. It's curation, execution, direction, done, 1:16:53.479 --> 1:16:58.719 bang bang bang bang bang, Right, So do it, don't worry, 1:16:58.720 --> 1:17:02.040 don't think about it. Do it. How do you execute, 1:17:02.040 --> 1:17:03.600 how do you curate? How do you do it? Just 1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:06.200 do it? You just do it. So you're saying for 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:09.680 each individual to do their part as best as they can, 1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:13.840 because obviously what we're talking about, why can't we have 1:17:13.880 --> 1:17:16.040 a SAG. Why can't we have a union? Why? Because 1:17:16.400 --> 1:17:18.559 hip hop can't have something that big, can't have something 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:22.639 that organized. No, they can that. We don't have the 1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:29.280 resources or boxes. That's you know. Do you know when 1:17:29.360 --> 1:17:33.320 SAX started nine five? You know the first person in 1:17:33.360 --> 1:17:38.080 SAG was Charlie Chaplin. One of one. Yo. It starts 1:17:38.120 --> 1:17:41.080 with one. You don't need ten, you need one, right, 1:17:41.120 --> 1:17:48.680 so you're one, let's go and then that's three. That's good. 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:51.160 But but you but everybody has to be in SAG 1:17:51.240 --> 1:17:55.559 here and the drink that to me is that, to 1:17:55.640 --> 1:17:57.760 me is the essence of what hip hop truly is right. 1:17:58.120 --> 1:18:00.479 When you think of the tenants of hip up right, 1:18:00.920 --> 1:18:04.400 it's not about drip, it's not about jewelry. It's not 1:18:04.479 --> 1:18:07.280 about that. It's peace, unity, love and having fun. When 1:18:07.280 --> 1:18:09.960 the culture of the when the culture started right and 1:18:09.960 --> 1:18:13.760 when when we have right now you got YouTube, But 1:18:13.840 --> 1:18:17.200 it's not about that. But the thing but that's not hip. 1:18:17.560 --> 1:18:19.400 But that's because it's not about that right now. Doesn't 1:18:19.400 --> 1:18:28.120 mean it's not you miss No, it's okay, it's this. 1:18:28.840 --> 1:18:33.080 It's yes, the park jams were violent. Yes, there was 1:18:33.120 --> 1:18:35.559 a lot of challenges, Yes there was all of that. However, 1:18:36.040 --> 1:18:39.720 what we're seeing today is rap music and artists and 1:18:39.800 --> 1:18:44.720 social media that is separate. And if you just automatically 1:18:44.800 --> 1:18:46.960 lob it in and say, oh, that's hip hop, then 1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:49.600 you're not really focusing on the true tenants of what 1:18:49.680 --> 1:18:53.559 brought us ultimate table table right. And that's the that's 1:18:53.600 --> 1:18:57.360 the key of it. It's culture that it's not culture 1:18:57.680 --> 1:19:00.200 that is a reaction and and and a part of 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:02.320 who they are and where they live and what they 1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:06.280 experience and who they one man ship agree with you, 1:19:06.720 --> 1:19:09.479 But the thing about it is the same way somebody 1:19:09.520 --> 1:19:12.800 in far Rockaway, Queens and what's the edge man, what 1:19:12.880 --> 1:19:20.639 is the projects project firm can film. There's the same 1:19:20.680 --> 1:19:23.000 person a kid and for a green your film, but 1:19:23.520 --> 1:19:27.599 it's the same place a person to Tacoma, Washington, Seattle, 1:19:27.680 --> 1:19:30.200 Washington can do film the same thing. Have a couple 1:19:30.240 --> 1:19:34.280 of people around them could actually blow up from their 1:19:34.320 --> 1:19:39.519 own house. There's no old there's no there's nobody helping 1:19:39.520 --> 1:19:41.880 this kid out, and this kid continue to make it. 1:19:42.400 --> 1:19:45.160 He's no way shaped for more fashion listening to us, 1:19:45.439 --> 1:19:56.040 and that's and that's eventually to wait, what part did 1:19:56.040 --> 1:19:58.040 you don't agree? Like I just fear I feel the 1:19:58.080 --> 1:20:02.520 disconnect happened. There was a disconnec that was that O G. 1:20:02.720 --> 1:20:04.360 I said this a long time. I said this plenty 1:20:04.400 --> 1:20:06.559 of times. Of course they're not gonna look up to 1:20:06.840 --> 1:20:09.960 ge anymore because what's their look up to? Right? But 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:11.320 if a kid that's you do I'm trying to say, 1:20:11.360 --> 1:20:13.120 I think you miss understood my point, Like how you 1:20:13.160 --> 1:20:15.080 just said to me. What I'm saying is right now, 1:20:15.160 --> 1:20:17.000 we used to have to go to a wild pitch. 1:20:17.120 --> 1:20:21.160 We have to go to uh that's industry. Yeah, that's 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:23.160 a gamekeepers, that's different stuff. And they still have to 1:20:23.200 --> 1:20:26.240 do that if they want to get that they want to. 1:20:26.400 --> 1:20:30.120 They want to do that. Here's as much on SoundCloud. 1:20:30.920 --> 1:20:32.960 They don't got no A and all. And this is 1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:35.120 a record label that's out there. It's wanted to pay 1:20:35.200 --> 1:20:39.280 him and say, fuck it, we'll give you everything. Just 1:20:39.360 --> 1:20:41.760 keep doing. Then you doing because record was what the 1:20:42.000 --> 1:20:47.560 they're doing that. Then it was artist curation, there was 1:20:47.720 --> 1:20:51.840 artist development. You actually try to at least right now, 1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:54.599 they're like, these guys are just out there doing whatever 1:20:55.040 --> 1:20:57.479 and whatever's working. Let's just do it because their numbers, 1:20:57.479 --> 1:21:00.880 it's all they keep calling it. I'm a rhythmss right, 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:03.519 But that's industry ship in versus we're talking either culture 1:21:03.560 --> 1:21:07.320 or industry or Because we talked about the White Rapper 1:21:07.320 --> 1:21:10.200 Show before you were on the White Rapper But when 1:21:10.240 --> 1:21:12.519 you did the White Rapper Show and the White Rappers came, 1:21:12.960 --> 1:21:16.280 you sat down, you had one drinking, he bounced, why doctor, 1:21:16.360 --> 1:21:20.439 this is a pump exactly right. So you didn't. So 1:21:20.560 --> 1:21:23.200 you didn't because we just did a White Rapper reunion 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:26.320 on my podcast and they all asked me the same thing. 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:29.720 They said, damn, did y'all hate us? And we're like, no, 1:21:29.920 --> 1:21:33.120 we didn't hate you. We we we appreciated where you 1:21:33.160 --> 1:21:34.880 were from But when Norriy was on the top of 1:21:34.880 --> 1:21:37.240 this building, he thought he was being fucking pompt He 1:21:37.280 --> 1:21:39.479 sat down and bounced out like he didn't have He 1:21:39.520 --> 1:21:42.639 didn't have an opinion about who you are, what you were. 1:21:42.680 --> 1:21:44.720 He could give two ships. He walked and he thought 1:21:44.760 --> 1:21:47.400 there was some candid cameras ship going on in that 1:21:47.520 --> 1:21:50.400 he's not him personally. He don't personally feel bad, right, 1:21:52.040 --> 1:21:56.880 And then he looked back at the show. I love 1:21:56.960 --> 1:22:01.400 the show because you see you see this thing. At 1:22:01.439 --> 1:22:04.760 first I was I was, I think of Sasha. I 1:22:04.800 --> 1:22:06.680 think it was you. There's a couple of y'alls, so 1:22:06.920 --> 1:22:09.160 you come hang out, you know, we had this white 1:22:09.200 --> 1:22:11.400 Rabbit show whatever. When I came in and it was 1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:13.680 just a couple of corny moments where I looked, I 1:22:13.720 --> 1:22:17.439 was like, this might be this might be how Ashton 1:22:17.520 --> 1:22:21.280 cut just set people up. They got searching them core you. 1:22:21.360 --> 1:22:23.360 So I'm thinking like this, and I'm like, you know what, 1:22:23.439 --> 1:22:26.599 I would just bounce when when I look back at 1:22:26.640 --> 1:22:29.200 the whole episode, in the whole season, in this tire ty, 1:22:29.320 --> 1:22:31.200 I wish you would have told me like you no, no. 1:22:31.400 --> 1:22:36.120 So I wasn't love I loved about Norri's episode was 1:22:36.520 --> 1:22:39.120 so I wasn't allowed to be do you know why 1:22:39.320 --> 1:22:40.800 because it would have been just about me and him 1:22:40.800 --> 1:22:43.439 for about three hours, but they wanted the engagement. It 1:22:43.520 --> 1:22:45.280 was the same thing with Joel Santana when they went 1:22:45.320 --> 1:22:48.080 to meet Joel's up and John Brown gave him the 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:50.320 fucking bird card like he made a fake card and 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:54.240 hand him this fucking cardboard card. Joel's did the same thing, 1:22:54.320 --> 1:22:57.880 sat down, hate his food, looked at his watch. There 1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:00.559 was no you know, because we wanted, you know, we 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:03.280 wanted we wanted to see what was gonna happen. And 1:23:03.280 --> 1:23:06.600 he's organic. And now that you look back right and 1:23:06.640 --> 1:23:10.559 you see Nor's reaction because nor literally went all right, 1:23:14.360 --> 1:23:16.280 I mean he slept the table, was like I'm going 1:23:17.520 --> 1:23:20.960 straight to set out of here, right yo. And the 1:23:21.000 --> 1:23:23.760 best part about that was it was Nori be a 1:23:23.840 --> 1:23:27.720 Nori and I want to and I'm so glad I'm 1:23:27.760 --> 1:23:29.960 here with you because I really have to share this 1:23:30.080 --> 1:23:33.880 with you. When I took you on the road on promo, 1:23:35.120 --> 1:23:38.760 every single radio station said the same thing after you 1:23:38.840 --> 1:23:42.320 left the studio, is he interested in doing radio? Does 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:46.599 he want to host a radio show? Every every single 1:23:46.720 --> 1:23:53.880 one because amazing on radio. I have never I don't 1:23:53.880 --> 1:23:56.400 like to use finite words. You'll you'll see that. I'm 1:23:56.400 --> 1:23:58.840 working on my wordplay. I don't like to use filing 1:23:58.880 --> 1:24:00.559 nite words, but I can use it in front of him. 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:04.559 I'd never had an artist go on the road where 1:24:04.680 --> 1:24:08.439 program directors o ms gms were listening and then came 1:24:08.479 --> 1:24:16.280 back and said, is he interested in care? He liked 1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:21.960 because and it's why this transition to this and why 1:24:22.080 --> 1:24:25.120 you and I know you saw the vision. I remember 1:24:25.120 --> 1:24:28.439 when you called me and told me yo, and I 1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:30.800 didn't yo. I'll be I'll keep it a up. I 1:24:30.840 --> 1:24:33.400 didn't know what the funk you were talking about. I 1:24:33.400 --> 1:24:36.719 didn't know what you were talking about, but you said, 1:24:36.880 --> 1:24:39.320 and I'm like, what the funk is a podcast? Who 1:24:39.360 --> 1:24:42.240 the funk has about this ship? You're a fucking genius. 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:46.479 You're a fucking and And I have my company and 1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:48.519 my wife and I because it's not me, there's no 1:24:48.560 --> 1:24:51.400 more searchlight. The name of the company's for MC. It's 1:24:51.400 --> 1:24:54.120 the name of my wife and my children because it's 1:24:54.200 --> 1:24:58.280 about this, right, and it's about what you guys built 1:24:58.360 --> 1:25:01.080 for me. So what I did in the streets of 1:25:01.120 --> 1:25:08.000 Far Rockaway, you did here for me, you returned your energy. Yea. 1:25:10.240 --> 1:25:13.000 Let me let me say we're doing right because I 1:25:13.040 --> 1:25:15.280 do use Google. Now, at first when you started this, 1:25:15.760 --> 1:25:19.040 I didn't use Google. But when I googled you, it 1:25:19.160 --> 1:25:22.719 was so enlightened. And it's so fun because the shirts 1:25:23.800 --> 1:25:28.040 two words of your name is MC. Always I'll never 1:25:28.120 --> 1:25:30.639 drop that. So when you hit Google and then you're 1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:34.559 typing m C, there's only a couple of other people 1:25:34.600 --> 1:25:36.800 who pop up. Do you know who those people are? 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:42.639 Probably MC Hamma, No, yes, okay, I'm see Hamma. Who's 1:25:42.680 --> 1:25:47.439 the other person who? Probably no, probably not like didn't 1:25:47.439 --> 1:25:49.920 come up with me. No, m C. I would probably see. 1:25:50.520 --> 1:25:53.000 I would probably say, you know what the name that 1:25:53.000 --> 1:25:54.519 pops in my head is probably and it's not that 1:25:54.520 --> 1:26:00.679 it's probably MC wren, but it's probably not wren. H Yeah, 1:26:00.800 --> 1:26:03.760 I don't know, because you know Google is um yeah, 1:26:05.680 --> 1:26:11.160 but you know one of the But let me tell 1:26:11.200 --> 1:26:13.280 you something and and and I want to talk about 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:17.559 this for a second because Queen's Bridge deserves all its flowers. Flowers. 1:26:18.360 --> 1:26:21.439 But in the podcast we did, we came, we started 1:26:21.479 --> 1:26:23.479 to talk because we interviewed all the people that he 1:26:23.520 --> 1:26:26.400 came up with that we're you know, obviously still with us, 1:26:27.280 --> 1:26:29.479 and we started to talking about Lafayette Gardens in Brooklyn, 1:26:29.760 --> 1:26:34.400 l Yeah, here's the list of producers and artists that 1:26:34.439 --> 1:26:38.880 came out of LG. Easy Mobi, which doctor who did 1:26:39.040 --> 1:26:43.040 Roman is fundamental? Who did Biggie? All right? Mr c 1:26:44.280 --> 1:26:48.840 A b Money from wrapping its fundamental? It can be 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:51.320 argument and obviously Kine spent a lot of time there, 1:26:51.800 --> 1:26:55.439 but it can be argued it's not right a wrong, 1:26:55.520 --> 1:26:59.400 but it can be argued that LG is probably just 1:26:59.479 --> 1:27:02.479 as dope as Queensbridge. We looked at it like that. 1:27:03.000 --> 1:27:05.240 Now I'm not saying it's factual, because there's also a 1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:10.040 point of it where after you had the surgeons of 1:27:10.120 --> 1:27:14.160 Queensbridge with Nasation, with with hot Day, with Hot Day 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:16.519 with Bob Deep and and so on and so forth. 1:27:17.200 --> 1:27:21.479 But you look at el But but the thing about 1:27:21.479 --> 1:27:25.240 Morley is Molly technically didn't live in Queensbridge, which I 1:27:25.280 --> 1:27:27.800 found out he had a house near Queensbridge. He moved 1:27:27.800 --> 1:27:31.479 to Queensbridge to produce or pay the fall he did 1:27:31.479 --> 1:27:35.960 admit on yes, he paid he did absolutely absolutely Bridge right. 1:27:37.400 --> 1:27:40.360 So it's interesting to me because even with me being 1:27:40.360 --> 1:27:44.040 the forest Company hip hop I didn't connect that cool 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:46.479 V is from LG. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1:27:46.520 --> 1:27:50.640 so you tell me, yeah, d J cool V that 1:27:50.760 --> 1:27:53.560 are known to yalls come as with Lollley or you 1:27:53.560 --> 1:27:57.160 know what I'm saying, like so you know, so it 1:27:57.200 --> 1:28:00.559 could be argued. And that's the fun that I'm having 1:28:00.560 --> 1:28:04.280 with my podcast is that I'm now looking at it. 1:28:04.320 --> 1:28:06.640 Oh shoot, I should do a whole problem. You all 1:28:06.640 --> 1:28:09.439 want a guy who's affiliated to Queen's. You're not gonna 1:28:09.439 --> 1:28:17.800 win this argument on this pocket brother, I'm from far rockaing' 1:28:17.880 --> 1:28:22.559 never gonna proud with you to see that. Um Now, 1:28:22.640 --> 1:28:27.000 I just want to grab me recently like, uh, I'm 1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:29.320 out chilling. You know, I don't. I've never watched the Grammars. 1:28:29.360 --> 1:28:31.120 They never invited me. I want to do that, Like 1:28:31.120 --> 1:28:32.880 I'm gonna hate it. I'm gonna hate it when it 1:28:32.920 --> 1:28:35.880 comes to that, you don't invite me. I think your 1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:37.840 ship is wack. You don't wake me. I would give 1:28:37.840 --> 1:28:41.160 it up. That's just where I am. But um so 1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:43.760 I don't. Never I've never got invited to Grammar, even 1:28:43.880 --> 1:28:45.800 my hottest Like I think they invited me and took 1:28:45.800 --> 1:28:50.280 it back. It was like I'm not sure. So I 1:28:50.640 --> 1:28:54.160 never had that dream, right, but I've never made I've 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:57.760 made that level, but not I felt like and then 1:28:57.960 --> 1:29:01.479 recently but just sitting out there looking we're gonna watch 1:29:01.479 --> 1:29:03.160 the Grammars like no, But I wake up the next 1:29:03.200 --> 1:29:06.439 day and they're like, yo, he won. I'm at a 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:11.280 restaurant there and Billy's. We order all the crab legs, 1:29:11.760 --> 1:29:14.800 I drink all the champagne, give me out champagne I got, 1:29:15.240 --> 1:29:19.080 and I do a blog and everybody and it was like, 1:29:19.160 --> 1:29:21.040 because you know, I'm not from Queen's Bridge, I'm from 1:29:21.120 --> 1:29:23.120 Left Frack City, but I got a lot of love, 1:29:24.920 --> 1:29:27.479 you know, the same thing. But but oh, I got 1:29:27.479 --> 1:29:29.160 a lot of love, and I just wanted to show 1:29:29.200 --> 1:29:31.599 them stat love. I didn't want to I didn't want 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:34.000 to interpret your saying we're bringing this Grammy back then 1:29:34.080 --> 1:29:36.719 left Frack in Queensbridge, because that's not with nos nos 1:29:36.720 --> 1:29:39.200 as Queen's Bridge. So I did it a big ups 1:29:39.200 --> 1:29:41.519 those places, a big of my my boy left place. 1:29:42.080 --> 1:29:43.920 And I mean I could see all of them we 1:29:44.040 --> 1:29:46.479 post it and just being happy and rejoicing, and it 1:29:46.600 --> 1:29:50.040 just made me feel so proud because that's where we is, 1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:53.679 like in Queens like sometimes we're so territorial that we'll 1:29:53.680 --> 1:29:56.559 be like, you know, up from Left Frack, but I'm 1:29:56.600 --> 1:29:59.280 just from Section one. I'm from Queen's Bridge, but I'm 1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:01.599 just from Vernon love O. I'm f far a Rock, 1:30:01.680 --> 1:30:07.880 but I'm just from Yeah, you know, I'm from South Jamaica, 1:30:07.960 --> 1:30:12.160 but I'm just from basically, like, um, I feel like 1:30:12.160 --> 1:30:14.920 this was this moment where just all of us queens. 1:30:14.960 --> 1:30:18.120 So how good did you feel from being the trifector? 1:30:18.200 --> 1:30:22.559 For me, it's it's three folds for me coming here. 1:30:23.720 --> 1:30:28.640 One is to be here with you. Two is understanding 1:30:28.680 --> 1:30:31.320 that NAS not only want to Grammy but got into 1:30:31.400 --> 1:30:36.680 the Library of Congress right. But three is making the 1:30:36.800 --> 1:30:38.400 left on this block and see an M F. Doom 1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:42.160 on the corner. Wow, Um, because you know I know 1:30:42.280 --> 1:30:46.880 Zev love x Y. Yeah, yeah, what I'm googling whatever 1:30:46.920 --> 1:30:49.360 I'm doing right up there. Well, I mean I don't 1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:52.880 know MF. Doom. I know Zev love X, I know 1:30:53.000 --> 1:30:55.800 Daniel do Malay, I know sub Rocky rest in Peace. 1:30:56.120 --> 1:30:57.559 I know the family, you know what I mean? Like 1:30:57.920 --> 1:31:02.320 that those are my people, you know, that's just it's 1:31:02.320 --> 1:31:04.560 not just some artists, you know, Like when I was 1:31:04.720 --> 1:31:08.160 changing the subject, staying on the subject. But when M F. 1:31:08.280 --> 1:31:12.080 Doom they pronounced him dead and it was on Halloween, 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:15.680 Like wasn't Like a lot of people in the hip 1:31:15.720 --> 1:31:18.599 hop at first was like is this a because listen, 1:31:18.640 --> 1:31:22.160 I remember one time people were saying M F. Doom 1:31:22.240 --> 1:31:25.360 was in six places at one time, as if there 1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:28.040 was other people that was other people were performing with 1:31:29.040 --> 1:31:32.240 I mean, I mean again, I don't know too. I 1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:36.040 know love X because you know, when I was putting 1:31:36.040 --> 1:31:40.479 out my little independent records before Third Base, I was 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:43.160 hanging out on Long Beach, Long Island, which was you know, 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:46.120 hop skipping a jump from Far rockaway. I met my homeboy, 1:31:46.120 --> 1:31:49.559 I met I met Otis and then I met Doom 1:31:49.600 --> 1:31:51.640 and him and I told him, I said, yo, when 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:55.520 I get on, you get on period in a conversation. Um, 1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:59.640 he always wanted to wear a mask. He put on 1:31:59.680 --> 1:32:02.679 the man after his brother died. After his brother died, 1:32:02.720 --> 1:32:04.920 it was Um. It was one of those moments where 1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:07.640 make sure we go back to the Grammy and that. 1:32:07.680 --> 1:32:10.280 But yeah, but but but no, no, but but I'm 1:32:10.280 --> 1:32:12.200 gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna come back to the Grammy's 1:32:12.200 --> 1:32:16.080 and I'll explain why so um, you know, so seeing 1:32:16.160 --> 1:32:20.120 do him at at the at the funeral and him 1:32:20.120 --> 1:32:24.439 mashing out, and then this year Nasmin and the Grammy 1:32:28.040 --> 1:32:33.280 watching watching the Grammys for the first time seeing Doom 1:32:33.320 --> 1:32:37.080 on the on the screen, but then the credits roll 1:32:38.160 --> 1:32:41.720 and executive producer for Team of Robinson and for Team 1:32:41.760 --> 1:32:43.559 and I used to dance together with Stretch and shake 1:32:43.600 --> 1:32:47.640 his IOU dances and in in LQ. So I'm and 1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:51.479 my man, Jeff Robinson wins for her and that's my dude, Like, 1:32:51.520 --> 1:32:54.799 that's my Like I go back to when Alicia performed 1:32:55.240 --> 1:32:57.600 for my my non for profit Rock Can Wrap it 1:32:57.680 --> 1:33:01.000 Up at the World Trades How a year before I 1:33:01.040 --> 1:33:03.080 went down. Yeah, I mean, so I'm seeing all this 1:33:04.040 --> 1:33:07.880 and I'm crying my eyes out, happy, sad, you know, 1:33:09.000 --> 1:33:13.000 a million emotions going through me because it's that, It's 1:33:13.080 --> 1:33:18.080 that moment. It's nas it's Doom, it's Fatima, it's Jeff, 1:33:18.400 --> 1:33:24.000 it's all of all people finally being where they're supposed 1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:27.160 to be, getting what they're supposed to get. You know, like, 1:33:28.040 --> 1:33:30.720 I don't know, you know, if they were gonna show 1:33:30.760 --> 1:33:35.479 Doom and they did, you know, when when Doom died 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:39.040 not only on but when they made the announcement New 1:33:39.080 --> 1:33:41.920 Years Either. The one thing that amazed me was not 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:44.559 only the amount of rappers that showed love, but it 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:51.160 was no, no, no, but kept secret. They kept a secret, 1:33:51.280 --> 1:33:53.120 and I think they did. They think they did the 1:33:53.200 --> 1:33:56.080 right thing because they put his affairs in order. Doom knew. 1:33:56.200 --> 1:33:58.960 The one thing I know is that Doom knew he 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:01.360 was gonna die six months before. Like they knew he 1:34:01.400 --> 1:34:04.160 was gonna die. Um, so they put as a peas 1:34:04.160 --> 1:34:11.200 in order and to see Like Tom York from Radiohead 1:34:11.240 --> 1:34:15.080 give him his flowers, Beth Gibbons from Porter's Head gives flowers, 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:18.519 Johnny Marr from the Smiths give him his flowers. Darius 1:34:18.640 --> 1:34:21.440 Rutger from Jodie and the Blowfish give him his flowers. 1:34:21.439 --> 1:34:25.680 Like yo, it was fucking crazy. Along with all the 1:34:25.720 --> 1:34:30.120 other MC's laurels around the world being made, murals around 1:34:30.200 --> 1:34:34.760 the world. I gotta pictures in from France, London trains. 1:34:35.720 --> 1:34:41.439 The fucking government of France, Japan that doesn't allow murals 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:47.080 to run on trains. Let the Doom murals run Amsterdam. 1:34:47.160 --> 1:34:48.559 You know what I'm saying. Like the impact that he 1:34:48.640 --> 1:34:51.840 made man was fucking crazy. And you don't expect that, 1:34:52.160 --> 1:34:54.479 and you know, talking about a men's and talking about 1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:57.040 being in recovery, because that's one of the things that 1:34:57.080 --> 1:34:59.600 we're also doing in our podcast company is Me and 1:34:59.720 --> 1:35:02.280 um My Homegirl Kyle Eustace from Hip Hop t X. 1:35:02.560 --> 1:35:05.240 We have a podcast called Breaking Me on Unimity, which 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:08.840 is about the road to redemption and recovery, right, because 1:35:09.040 --> 1:35:11.439 I think there's a stigma people think like, oh, you 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:13.920 can't have fun, you can't be around people smoking weed 1:35:13.960 --> 1:35:16.519 when you're you're an addict, you can't be around this. No, 1:35:16.640 --> 1:35:19.400 it's about breaking that down and understanding like you can 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:22.439 go to a program and get help, because there's people 1:35:22.479 --> 1:35:24.559 that can help you, you know what I mean. And 1:35:24.560 --> 1:35:28.559 and so we have like amazing artist Danny Boy from 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:31.680 House of Pain, Frank Gallagher from The Talking Heads, Like 1:35:31.880 --> 1:35:35.120 we have these amazing slain talking about their their road 1:35:35.160 --> 1:35:38.280 to recovery. And one of the things that I talked 1:35:38.320 --> 1:35:42.839 about and my my amends is there's called direct amends 1:35:42.840 --> 1:35:45.639 and indirect amends. Right, there's a homeboy in mind here 1:35:45.960 --> 1:35:49.040 I gotta make amends with before I leave, right, So 1:35:49.040 --> 1:35:51.840 so there's direct amends, but then there's indirect And I 1:35:51.920 --> 1:35:56.040 always thought, man, I can make amends with with subprop 1:35:56.360 --> 1:36:00.360 I can make amends with them. So now I gotta 1:36:00.400 --> 1:36:04.280 make indirect amends. So the things that I take responsibility 1:36:04.320 --> 1:36:06.599 for for the distance in our relationship, now I gotta 1:36:06.640 --> 1:36:10.080 fix with the next man or the next woman somebody else, right, 1:36:10.120 --> 1:36:14.120 because that's my responsibility. That's my responsibility before they put 1:36:14.120 --> 1:36:19.439 me in the dirt. Yes, yeah, So the Grammys and 1:36:19.439 --> 1:36:21.519 and the beautiful part about the Grammys, you know again 1:36:21.880 --> 1:36:25.120 and going back to it, is that it seemed to 1:36:25.160 --> 1:36:30.200 me for the first time in hip hop history that 1:36:30.280 --> 1:36:32.960 the Album of the Year was balanced Alchemists and Freddie Gibbs, 1:36:33.000 --> 1:36:36.559 like the Fun album is crazy. Alchemist is a monster. 1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:40.000 He deserved that. Like you talk about you know, grise Elda, 1:36:40.240 --> 1:36:42.479 like you talk about Benny, you talk about West Out Gun, 1:36:42.479 --> 1:36:44.880 you talk about Bodie James, Like, oh, Funk is a 1:36:44.960 --> 1:36:50.519 Monster's to get fun Grammy nominations, Like it's balanced. You know, 1:36:50.560 --> 1:36:52.720 we got this balance, We got this finally, We've got 1:36:52.760 --> 1:36:55.479 a little bit of equilibrium. You know. It makes me 1:36:55.520 --> 1:36:58.920 want to vote. I'm a voter. I don't vote. I'm 1:36:58.960 --> 1:37:00.880 I'm like Nori, I'm fuck you ain't gonna do shift 1:37:00.920 --> 1:37:07.760 for voter for anybody, you know. But but you know, 1:37:07.880 --> 1:37:10.719 but that's you know, it's it's what it is. And 1:37:10.720 --> 1:37:13.719 and I feel like this balance finally because there's people 1:37:13.760 --> 1:37:17.560 like us who are in this range, who have the experience, 1:37:17.720 --> 1:37:21.320 who now can say to the Grammys and and Narrow's like, 1:37:21.320 --> 1:37:25.719 who hold on, hold on, hold on blank, don't let's 1:37:25.800 --> 1:37:27.920 let's look at this and how we look at it 1:37:28.000 --> 1:37:33.800 is we vote on it. Right, that's beautiful, that's beautiful. Um, wait, 1:37:33.840 --> 1:37:36.200 we didn't. You still didn't finish telling us about mc 1:37:36.280 --> 1:37:40.080 hammer's hit on you. Yeah, that's for the book. I'm 1:37:40.120 --> 1:37:43.519 not going to talk about I'm gonna talking about that. No, 1:37:43.720 --> 1:37:46.400 And they say, but it didn't work. No, it definitely 1:37:46.439 --> 1:37:48.600 didn't work. But it goes back also to men's like, 1:37:48.640 --> 1:37:51.280 you know, so I didn't even say the line, but yeah, 1:37:51.360 --> 1:37:54.200 I mean, I'm I'm gonna eventually have to make amends 1:37:54.240 --> 1:37:56.040 with the men, right, even though he put a hit 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:58.759 out on me, right, Like I have to make amends. 1:37:58.800 --> 1:38:02.560 And where I come from And I'm not being braggadocious 1:38:02.560 --> 1:38:04.479 when I say this, because even though I grew up 1:38:04.479 --> 1:38:07.280 in a very traditional Jewish household, I didn't grow up 1:38:07.439 --> 1:38:09.640 in that household. I grew up in Redferend Projects. I 1:38:09.640 --> 1:38:11.439 grew up in Hammels. I grew up. I grew up 1:38:11.439 --> 1:38:14.960 on the street like where we come from. Somebody puts 1:38:14.960 --> 1:38:16.639 a hit out on you. You You wipe out their family. 1:38:16.920 --> 1:38:18.559 You don't wipe out the dude. You wipe out his 1:38:18.600 --> 1:38:21.120 mom and sisters, brother, his cousin, his uncle. You leave 1:38:21.160 --> 1:38:23.720 no bloodline, you know, because the other dudes that I 1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:25.840 grew up with on the other side of the street, 1:38:25.880 --> 1:38:29.719 in in Wood and in Rosdale, Colombo Crown family, Gambino 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:33.880 Crown family, like and that's how they moved right, But 1:38:33.960 --> 1:38:37.840 that's not who I am today. And I felt that 1:38:37.880 --> 1:38:39.840 way for a long time. It ate up at you know, 1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:42.040 it ate me a long time, Like I gotta see 1:38:42.040 --> 1:38:45.680 this dude. Eventually, I'm a see this dude. I was 1:38:45.720 --> 1:38:47.920 in a room with him recently on clubhouse and somebody 1:38:47.960 --> 1:38:51.080 said to me, Yo, this is the perfect time. I'm like, no, 1:38:51.160 --> 1:38:56.720 it's I'm sorry. But I was like, I'm not. It's 1:38:56.760 --> 1:38:58.559 not the right time, Like this is not the right time. 1:38:58.600 --> 1:39:01.200 The time to do it is when we can sit 1:39:01.240 --> 1:39:02.800 down here and I and I can tell him what 1:39:02.920 --> 1:39:06.439 my responsibility is, what my role is right. Even though 1:39:06.560 --> 1:39:09.320 I didn't say the long even though the other dude 1:39:09.320 --> 1:39:12.760 in my group never never ever talked about it, he 1:39:12.880 --> 1:39:15.600 just kind of kept it moving. Right. So I'm the 1:39:15.640 --> 1:39:19.439 one because you know, I'm the guy that in hip 1:39:19.439 --> 1:39:22.880 hop people see as the front man. Even though it 1:39:22.960 --> 1:39:25.120 was a group, it was all three of us, right, 1:39:25.240 --> 1:39:27.519 you know what I mean. So that's my responsibility. So 1:39:27.560 --> 1:39:30.160 I'll make that amend when I'm ready, because the part 1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:33.000 of it that that seventh and eighth step is when 1:39:33.000 --> 1:39:38.320 you're willing. I'm not. I'm almost there. I'm not completely 1:39:38.360 --> 1:39:43.280 willing to forget that because it was It's crazy. It 1:39:43.360 --> 1:39:46.120 was real serious. You know, it wasn't any fucking game. 1:39:46.200 --> 1:39:51.160 It was fucking serious. Um. But I know that that's 1:39:51.200 --> 1:39:53.640 my my responsibility. You know. When we talked about it 1:39:53.680 --> 1:39:56.920 on the Breaking Anonymity podcast, we talked about like the 1:39:56.920 --> 1:40:02.280 responsibility of they don't save the you know it. But 1:40:02.320 --> 1:40:05.320 it's also what it is, because that's what we talked about. 1:40:05.400 --> 1:40:08.679 It's not a plug just for the second's not that's weird. 1:40:08.960 --> 1:40:10.599 So now as we're talking about because you know this 1:40:10.640 --> 1:40:13.160 is you know, drink chance. We love cocaine stories here, right, 1:40:13.160 --> 1:40:15.720 we just love it right. It's just it's just like 1:40:15.760 --> 1:40:21.719 when you did cocaine, but when you did Cocaine's office 1:40:21.760 --> 1:40:23.640 one day. Leo is one of my favorite executives. I 1:40:23.680 --> 1:40:26.280 don't I don't know what they did anybody else from 1:40:26.360 --> 1:40:31.400 but we just we just called them Elroy Cohen. I mean, 1:40:31.439 --> 1:40:36.439 we were just working with him. Listen, I love I 1:40:36.520 --> 1:40:39.400 walk in the All Calls office one day and he's 1:40:39.400 --> 1:40:42.880 sitting there and he has, uh, it's a picture on 1:40:42.960 --> 1:40:47.160 his wall he has on his nose on his nose 1:40:47.240 --> 1:40:50.680 like a tissue the picture or him the picture has 1:40:50.680 --> 1:40:53.200 a tissue on his nose. So I'm looking and I'm like, 1:40:53.320 --> 1:40:56.080 it was a great nut. I'm like, yo, because this 1:40:56.160 --> 1:40:58.880 is the time you want to vote with and like 1:40:58.960 --> 1:41:02.639 he's like, no one was sniffing cocaine and what's my ship? 1:41:02.680 --> 1:41:05.160 Just bluffs And I was like, oh my god, I 1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:13.200 love this stuff. No I was not. I was not cocaine. Okay, my, my, my, my, my. 1:41:13.400 --> 1:41:16.040 DC was just slang term for drugger. Choice in the 1:41:16.120 --> 1:41:19.719 room is what you're smoking right there. But we can't 1:41:19.760 --> 1:41:24.559 be in the cover real but honest, So here's the thing. 1:41:24.920 --> 1:41:28.280 It wasn't the fact that I smoked it. It was 1:41:28.600 --> 1:41:31.559 how I behaved after I smoked it, And it was 1:41:31.600 --> 1:41:34.920 the fact that what I did as a man, it 1:41:35.000 --> 1:41:36.519 was definitely smoke of dust and just throw it out. 1:41:39.360 --> 1:41:46.840 It's a whole different was a dirty in a different times. 1:41:47.160 --> 1:41:51.439 It was was gont no no. And the thing was 1:41:51.760 --> 1:41:55.040 he believed it on the but I didn't play on 1:41:55.800 --> 1:41:57.920 and I damned you didn't blame it on the dust. 1:41:57.960 --> 1:42:02.240 I was happy as fun happening. I fucking served him 1:42:02.280 --> 1:42:07.160 doing so bad and trying to kill me with man, okay, 1:42:07.560 --> 1:42:12.880 so hold up. Continue. So it wasn't It wasn't that. 1:42:14.640 --> 1:42:16.479 It was a combination of a lot of things that 1:42:16.560 --> 1:42:22.600 made me realize that my addiction. You yeah, no, I 1:42:22.880 --> 1:42:27.920 once no, you don't want to it's a terrible story. 1:42:28.320 --> 1:42:32.960 I didn't say because it's boring, it's gonna be gonna 1:42:33.240 --> 1:42:36.320 it's gonna make the editing flaw. Yo. I fucking snorted 1:42:36.320 --> 1:42:38.280 a line. It tasted terrible. In the back of my thought, 1:42:38.280 --> 1:42:41.400 I was done. It was said, Wow, I didn't think 1:42:41.439 --> 1:42:46.000 that that was the story. That's what I'm saying. But 1:42:47.280 --> 1:42:51.519 but right with my choice, when I got to a 1:42:51.560 --> 1:42:55.360 place where I realized it was a problem, it wasn't 1:42:55.439 --> 1:42:59.320 that it was the weed itself. It was the behavior 1:43:00.040 --> 1:43:02.760 that I was masking. Right, So what I learned in 1:43:02.800 --> 1:43:06.080 recovery it was that after I got rid of my 1:43:06.200 --> 1:43:09.120 dc is, I had to start looking at who I 1:43:09.160 --> 1:43:12.240 was and started to peel back the under of my 1:43:12.320 --> 1:43:15.040 authentic self. So I started to like look at my 1:43:15.120 --> 1:43:17.720 character defense. I started looking at the things that made 1:43:17.760 --> 1:43:19.920 me a funk up individual. I started to have to 1:43:19.920 --> 1:43:22.960 look at the things like because yo, I would smoke 1:43:23.400 --> 1:43:25.880 and then I was sucking a zombie. Like I was 1:43:25.880 --> 1:43:27.720 a zombie to my children. I was a zombie to 1:43:27.760 --> 1:43:30.160 my wife. I was a zombie in life. I was 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:33.080 a bad businessman, I was a bad partner. I was 1:43:33.360 --> 1:43:36.599 from weed or from weed, because what it did was 1:43:36.760 --> 1:43:39.800 it didn't allow me. The weed didn't allow me to 1:43:39.880 --> 1:43:44.439 deal with my my personal issues. It didn't allow It 1:43:44.520 --> 1:43:47.240 was totally a crutch, but it was. But it was 1:43:47.320 --> 1:43:49.840 gonna be honest. What years we talked about they had 1:43:49.880 --> 1:43:51.880 cocaine your ship. I'm just throwing it out there. You 1:43:51.920 --> 1:43:59.879 body didn't know, you brobably didn't know. I stopped using, 1:44:00.080 --> 1:44:05.000 stopped using, stop all using my clean, my clean from 1:44:05.040 --> 1:44:12.439 a doctor, my doctor. Dude, alcohol you don't think so, Yeah, 1:44:12.920 --> 1:44:15.360 let's be really clear, and I want to explain something 1:44:15.760 --> 1:44:19.519 for for the sake of this. Absolutely, I'm not saying 1:44:20.400 --> 1:44:24.519 that maljuana is bad. If you just smoking casually, that's great. 1:44:24.760 --> 1:44:27.479 I just think you should smoke and stay smoking. I 1:44:27.520 --> 1:44:30.720 think it says in the scriptures the Most High gave 1:44:30.800 --> 1:44:32.920 us all of these plants on the planet Earth for 1:44:32.960 --> 1:44:37.840 you to use. I'm saying that the work is not 1:44:37.960 --> 1:44:40.320 in there is. He didn't give us all these plans 1:44:40.320 --> 1:44:44.320 for you to abuse, and I abuse them because I 1:44:45.760 --> 1:44:49.320 to the best. Tax come on that. No, no, and 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:55.639 I'm not trying to bring down It was never bake 1:44:59.200 --> 1:45:04.840 for me. For me, brother, he had were in the 1:45:05.160 --> 1:45:12.200 part where it is. But you know what in those 1:45:12.240 --> 1:45:19.280 times you're going back to five I'm talking about, I 1:45:19.320 --> 1:45:24.360 was smoking in I'm talking about, no, dude, I was. 1:45:24.600 --> 1:45:27.240 I had that good good everywhere I went. I had 1:45:27.280 --> 1:45:30.320 good goods. You're talking about, like I think he said 1:45:30.360 --> 1:45:33.320 something about somebody never bought weed. I never bought weed 1:45:33.360 --> 1:45:36.240 in my life. I never bought weed. I never bought 1:45:36.280 --> 1:45:38.920 weed in my life. I had homeboys bring me weed 1:45:39.200 --> 1:45:43.680 all the time. But what I was dealing with in 1:45:43.760 --> 1:45:47.400 my personal life, my professional life, I had to get 1:45:47.479 --> 1:45:50.160 high because I couldn't deal with the pain that I 1:45:50.200 --> 1:45:51.760 was dealing with. I didn't want to look at it. 1:45:52.040 --> 1:45:53.680 I didn't want to examine it. I didn't want to 1:45:53.720 --> 1:45:56.760 funk with it. Right, So when I got into the program, 1:45:57.000 --> 1:46:00.679 I started to break ship down. And the first four 1:46:00.760 --> 1:46:04.600 years like I was still the piece. Yeah, in the 1:46:04.600 --> 1:46:08.559 first four years. Steve LeBell has a program where they 1:46:08.640 --> 1:46:11.040 got the same ship to get you off of cocaine. 1:46:11.560 --> 1:46:14.520 What's it like that? But put you all the marijuana? 1:46:15.960 --> 1:46:24.720 Hut you not wet? That's serious? Fellas missing him the 1:46:24.880 --> 1:46:30.400 point for him, Yes, man, I'm going to get hooked 1:46:30.400 --> 1:46:34.960 on and that he was. He was not. He was 1:46:35.040 --> 1:46:37.840 not doing no crazy on Man one. I wouldn't hear 1:46:37.880 --> 1:46:40.720 the craziest thing you did on mat one. It's not 1:46:40.840 --> 1:46:43.040 about the craziest ship I did on maljuana. You're not 1:46:43.080 --> 1:46:45.400 hearing what I'm saying. Definitely not. I'm so sorry. It's 1:46:45.400 --> 1:46:50.000 okay marijuan. And that's okay because look I'm not and 1:46:50.080 --> 1:46:52.360 I think the thing is what you're hearing is I'm 1:46:52.400 --> 1:46:56.160 not telling you that marijuana is bad. Maljuana is great, 1:46:56.200 --> 1:46:59.120 because what I'm picturing is Robber Downey junior, and this 1:46:59.280 --> 1:47:09.120 is reference is actually a well you know, Robert Downe, 1:47:09.280 --> 1:47:12.920 I've never heard searching fuck up ship. I just never 1:47:12.920 --> 1:47:15.640 heard of it. I've never heard of it. Bro. We 1:47:15.720 --> 1:47:20.559 searched the people section. No, but it's not because it 1:47:20.720 --> 1:47:24.760 wasn't about what I did in the streets. It's what 1:47:24.880 --> 1:47:29.280 it did to me. And I was faced. I was 1:47:29.280 --> 1:47:33.240 faced with a choice. And when I first looked at it, 1:47:33.720 --> 1:47:36.880 I thought like you like, I'm like, oh, motherfucker's are crazy. 1:47:37.880 --> 1:47:40.040 You know this is all bullshit. I remember the first 1:47:40.040 --> 1:47:43.559 time I ever went to a meeting, the first meeting 1:47:43.520 --> 1:47:46.040 I ever went to, there was a dude sitting across 1:47:46.040 --> 1:47:51.360 from me, looks like a fucking racist. I'm from Queens. 1:47:51.880 --> 1:47:54.840 He's fucking big white dude. He's in a cut, got 1:47:54.920 --> 1:47:58.400 a big gass bid named Rich, big Rich. Definitely a 1:47:58.400 --> 1:48:01.240 truck drop dude. And the first thing, and the first 1:48:01.240 --> 1:48:04.200 thing I'm in my fucking in this meeting saying, is like, Yo, 1:48:04.280 --> 1:48:05.960 this dude's gonna open up his mouth and I'm gonna 1:48:06.000 --> 1:48:08.439 punch him in his fucking mouth. I got my little 1:48:08.479 --> 1:48:11.719 jig on me. I'm a funk. I'm I'm just waiting. 1:48:11.920 --> 1:48:15.280 But he's the nicest guy in the world, worst, worse. 1:48:15.800 --> 1:48:19.080 He opened up his mouth and told my story. He 1:48:19.360 --> 1:48:21.880 shared his experience, strength and hope, and it was my 1:48:22.000 --> 1:48:25.160 fucking story in a dude and a human being that 1:48:25.200 --> 1:48:29.160 I would have no connection within the street. He don't 1:48:29.200 --> 1:48:30.960 listen to what I listened to. He don't move how 1:48:31.000 --> 1:48:33.600 I move, he don't like what I like. But his 1:48:33.720 --> 1:48:37.200 experience was my experience, and it broke me. I fucking 1:48:37.400 --> 1:48:40.160 cried like a baby for forty five minutes in that meeting. 1:48:40.160 --> 1:48:44.559 I couldn't even speak, and I realized, Yo, I got 1:48:44.680 --> 1:48:49.480 a fucking problem. But the problem ain't that I'm the problem. 1:48:49.520 --> 1:48:52.240 But it took me four years of not doing that 1:48:52.600 --> 1:48:54.720 to get to the point where, Okay, I gotta look 1:48:54.760 --> 1:48:57.640 at myself real quick, I gotta look at myself, and 1:48:57.680 --> 1:49:00.799 I gotta really really look at what like my wife sees, 1:49:00.840 --> 1:49:03.639 my children see. Now harder this to make the MENSI 1:49:03.720 --> 1:49:06.280 a kid just sit in front of him and saying, 1:49:06.280 --> 1:49:09.080 this is why I was a horrible father, And have 1:49:09.200 --> 1:49:12.679 your children tell you, yeah, you're you're fucked up person. 1:49:13.240 --> 1:49:15.880 And it's not about forgiveness. And that's the other thing 1:49:15.960 --> 1:49:19.760 people don't realize. It's not about you saying I forgive you. 1:49:19.960 --> 1:49:22.760 I've made immens to people that people said, okay, you're 1:49:22.760 --> 1:49:24.720 still a piece of ship. Fuck you, And I said, 1:49:24.760 --> 1:49:28.040 thank you, thank you for hearing me, thank you for understanding, 1:49:28.520 --> 1:49:31.599 thank you for allowing me to tell you my role. 1:49:32.840 --> 1:49:35.760 And that's it, and I keep it moving. So it's 1:49:35.800 --> 1:49:38.760 not about that. It's not about that. It's not about 1:49:38.760 --> 1:49:40.880 he's bounding down. When the dude came to him and 1:49:40.880 --> 1:49:44.040 he said, you know, I want to apologize to you, 1:49:44.320 --> 1:49:58.599 fucking your sister. No, ye, your wife do. The guy 1:49:58.640 --> 1:50:03.960 didn't even trust me my man, I mean with the guy, 1:50:04.040 --> 1:50:08.479 but I mean, I'm only board. You wouldn't get a candle. 1:50:09.439 --> 1:50:12.679 So for me again, so for me, and and again 1:50:13.120 --> 1:50:17.280 for me, it was really a very simple process as 1:50:17.320 --> 1:50:25.120 a cannabis agricultural advocate. Depends where you finish. I figured, yes, certain, 1:50:26.160 --> 1:50:28.599 you need to get back into cannabis. No, not gonna 1:50:28.600 --> 1:50:30.080 have to get back into it. You need to get 1:50:30.080 --> 1:50:33.080 back in the canaps some way. It was very safe. No, 1:50:33.360 --> 1:50:34.960 I'll tell you the only way I'll get back into 1:50:35.000 --> 1:50:39.400 cannabis is me and my partner's own a spot. Exactly. 1:50:39.439 --> 1:50:41.559 You don't see what that's what I'm saying you don't 1:50:41.560 --> 1:50:45.559 never get you don't don't get us on your own supplot. Brother, 1:50:46.240 --> 1:50:50.320 you don't CBD, you never had a c because again 1:50:50.520 --> 1:50:54.760 another it's all it's all about, it's all about understanding 1:50:55.479 --> 1:50:57.840 that one is too many in a thousand's never Okay, 1:50:57.960 --> 1:51:01.960 CBD doesn't get you high. But I've had this argument. 1:51:02.000 --> 1:51:04.200 So the argument I've had this argument don't get you high. 1:51:04.280 --> 1:51:09.479 But the argument the argument is is it's like, I'll 1:51:09.479 --> 1:51:12.880 give you a perfect example, Mascotta. I've heard this argument 1:51:12.920 --> 1:51:14.920 all the time. Mascott was only like less than one 1:51:14.920 --> 1:51:20.479 percent alcohol. It's a sparkling drink, right, right, So is 1:51:20.560 --> 1:51:23.920 that for an alcoholic a gateway to this to that, 1:51:24.200 --> 1:51:27.840 to that to that? Right? So for me, I don't 1:51:27.880 --> 1:51:30.960 I can't talk for anybody else. For me, I don't 1:51:30.960 --> 1:51:33.759 funk with none of it because for me, I'm happy 1:51:33.840 --> 1:51:37.840 with where I am today. I fucking feel so fucking good, 1:51:38.040 --> 1:51:43.960 fucking feel good. The only thing I don't feel good 1:51:43.960 --> 1:51:45.800 about is I'm a fat fuck So I gotta lose 1:51:45.800 --> 1:51:49.080 this weight. But that's also a part of my process, 1:51:49.200 --> 1:51:53.160 right because now I've you know, do I like doughnuts? Yeah, 1:51:53.200 --> 1:51:56.639 but I gotta get rid of them. I gotta get no, 1:51:56.640 --> 1:51:59.600 no, no no, I'm not that friends over there, so that 1:51:59.760 --> 1:52:04.040 if you don't know that might be, but like, but people, 1:52:04.120 --> 1:52:12.719 but people, you know you know what, people but people, 1:52:13.080 --> 1:52:20.120 I think make this invalid, inaccurate assumption. Dude, I'm around 1:52:20.200 --> 1:52:22.800 all of y'all. Y'alla are smoking. I'm not triggering. You 1:52:22.800 --> 1:52:25.720 know why, because it ain't for me. It's like when 1:52:25.800 --> 1:52:28.160 dudes go to a bar and they don't drink, why 1:52:28.280 --> 1:52:31.240 it ain't for them? Dude, I agree with you, and 1:52:31.240 --> 1:52:34.280 I want to be really clear baka rock Crystal Clear 1:52:34.320 --> 1:52:38.200 on this. All right. I'm glad you can smoke and 1:52:38.240 --> 1:52:41.080 feel good about it. I'm glad everybody in here that 1:52:41.200 --> 1:52:43.920 smokes and puffs trees feel good about it. It don't 1:52:43.920 --> 1:52:53.759 work for me, said, I'm want the noise for that, 1:52:53.520 --> 1:52:56.679 and that's real, that's really it's good. But I'm gonna 1:52:56.760 --> 1:52:58.600 I'm gonna pop. I think you gotta go with the 1:52:58.640 --> 1:53:04.800 gold to golden and after that after platinum. Yeah, you 1:53:04.840 --> 1:53:08.000 know what I mean? Can I can I ask you 1:53:08.040 --> 1:53:11.040 a question? All right? So this is what I want 1:53:11.040 --> 1:53:16.040 to ask you about um about CNN, Right, so after 1:53:16.080 --> 1:53:23.000 the war report drops, you do four hundred nobody expected 1:53:23.040 --> 1:53:25.880 you to do none of that right, nobody did right 1:53:26.360 --> 1:53:31.679 war report. Did you ever feel like there was gonna 1:53:31.680 --> 1:53:34.479 be a part of you that was missing if you 1:53:34.520 --> 1:53:36.400 went solo? Was there ever a part of you that 1:53:36.520 --> 1:53:40.200 was like, damn when my man went away and all 1:53:40.200 --> 1:53:43.839 of that, I shouldn't do an R album, I shouldn't 1:53:43.840 --> 1:53:46.519 continue making music. I should hold off and wait, like 1:53:46.600 --> 1:53:49.200 the way like MLP might have done, or way other 1:53:49.240 --> 1:53:51.800 people might have done. Was ever part of that you 1:53:52.040 --> 1:53:54.040 that said, you know what I gotta I gotta fall 1:53:54.040 --> 1:53:58.880 back and hold off. No. That was a decisive answer, 1:53:59.560 --> 1:54:04.240 um because it was like, oh, ship Peter Roseburg, that's Peter. 1:54:04.280 --> 1:54:08.920 You cool, Peter, love Peter. That's my dude. Another great 1:54:09.000 --> 1:54:10.680 jewe and hip hop by the way, all right, let's 1:54:10.720 --> 1:54:12.280 let's Seev picks up. I don't know what he just 1:54:12.360 --> 1:54:15.400 hit me. I don't know. Let ce he picks up. 1:54:17.280 --> 1:54:19.200 Did somebody called Peter and tell him I was here? 1:54:19.320 --> 1:54:33.080 Is that good? Look? Look he's sleeping off? Yeah? Let yo, 1:54:34.400 --> 1:54:36.560 you know yo. You know what Sean Peck says, Right, 1:54:37.080 --> 1:54:42.080 men shouldn't face time each other. That's the violation. How you, Pete? 1:54:44.200 --> 1:54:48.200 What's going on with you? We doing? Hold on you 1:54:48.280 --> 1:54:53.400 got a hold come on a third day? Yeah it no, no, 1:54:53.960 --> 1:54:56.000 talk to him, talk to me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you 1:54:56.080 --> 1:54:58.880 don't even know what the fuck. It's just some weird shape. 1:54:58.880 --> 1:55:01.560 What up? How you sure you don't face time with 1:55:01.640 --> 1:55:04.840 men like this? Yeah, it's definitely a bad little I'm 1:55:04.840 --> 1:55:08.760 gonna taco. Hey, man, did you guys start yet? Yeah, 1:55:08.840 --> 1:55:11.560 we've been we're a little bit. We're like our three 1:55:11.560 --> 1:55:15.800 already coming up on the third hour, so you know, 1:55:16.000 --> 1:55:18.040 you know, and Kane has come to see you on 1:55:18.080 --> 1:55:20.520 the twenty seven. I know you're happy about that we 1:55:20.560 --> 1:55:22.920 got you, and I'm looking forward to it. Man, So 1:55:22.960 --> 1:55:25.520 what's uping? Man chilling? I just want you to feel 1:55:25.560 --> 1:55:26.960 awkward now and I have to sit in the sun 1:55:27.120 --> 1:55:34.720 nahu that Yeah, yeah, when you get I just wanted 1:55:34.760 --> 1:55:36.040 to make sure you thought it was funny. And then 1:55:36.040 --> 1:55:38.240 I wasn't talking ship all right, cool because you know 1:55:38.280 --> 1:55:42.200 I got jokes back, so it was okay, okay, hey 1:55:42.560 --> 1:55:46.800 hang a wait wait, wait, hold on, hold on, ye hey, um, 1:55:47.320 --> 1:55:53.800 sorry brother, talking about I'm about to be down to 1:55:53.880 --> 1:55:57.440 do it a luminati too. That's a funny story. That's 1:55:57.440 --> 1:56:01.280 a funny start. When I was, when I was, when 1:56:01.320 --> 1:56:04.720 I was when I was doing radio in Detroit. I 1:56:04.800 --> 1:56:08.560 get a call to the newsroom. Your sir Shine is 1:56:08.600 --> 1:56:13.120 on the phone. Oh shot, And I'm like, oh shan, pope. 1:56:13.280 --> 1:56:17.760 I'm like the orchidage right, So he just got he 1:56:17.880 --> 1:56:20.080 was just maybe it was about a year and a half. 1:56:20.640 --> 1:56:22.440 So I'm like, oh, we gotta record. There's gotta be lives. 1:56:22.440 --> 1:56:25.080 There's kind of shot me for one second. Actually, one thing. 1:56:25.240 --> 1:56:26.960 You can ask me whatever you want because you say 1:56:27.000 --> 1:56:29.520 you olibriliate it. You are out of this world. And 1:56:30.640 --> 1:56:33.880 that's how I made up, made up and I'm using it. 1:56:33.960 --> 1:56:37.600 It does not affect you. Smelling this drinking that can 1:56:37.680 --> 1:56:40.320 you open up a bottle of page you can open 1:56:40.400 --> 1:56:43.680 it up of the films like Wings, But listen, don't 1:56:43.720 --> 1:56:47.080 sunk this up. He's can I just tell you kind 1:56:47.120 --> 1:56:53.880 of open I'm a fucking jew. I know what the man. 1:56:54.480 --> 1:56:57.640 Let's let's see if we've still got it, still got 1:56:57.720 --> 1:56:59.880 the last? Have you over the more? That's a fine 1:57:00.000 --> 1:57:05.720 ittle hampagne. That's that's that's twee hunt it. Let's see 1:57:05.800 --> 1:57:11.280 that and it is hip my own too. Let's see 1:57:11.280 --> 1:57:13.680 if you can do it. But I see the tab 1:57:13.760 --> 1:57:16.040 hold on, Okay, you gotta, I gotta the last time 1:57:16.080 --> 1:57:19.440 you open a bottle of champagne. Oh boy, um, probably 1:57:19.600 --> 1:57:24.640 my kids, my kids bartzh Okay, So two thousand and 1:57:25.080 --> 1:57:29.000 four teen, okay, two fourteen, okay, thousand fourteen. Okay, you 1:57:29.080 --> 1:57:33.640 still think you got the skills? Oh yeah, okay, we're 1:57:33.640 --> 1:57:36.000 gonna test you out right now, because as you know, 1:57:36.560 --> 1:57:40.600 the skills all that when you open up a bottle 1:57:40.600 --> 1:57:45.440 of champagne, the kids, it's the Jewish secret. No, just 1:57:45.600 --> 1:57:48.120 the Champagne secret. Unless you want to get me a saber. 1:57:48.160 --> 1:57:49.720 And I can do a saber. Stuff. I don't know 1:57:49.800 --> 1:57:51.960 what you're gonna cut. You're gonna cut the joints. If 1:57:52.000 --> 1:57:53.360 you have a saber, I can do it that way. 1:57:53.800 --> 1:57:56.560 So the key is right, I want to hold it 1:57:56.680 --> 1:58:00.480 to the thumb, okay, right, because don't know if the 1:58:00.600 --> 1:58:04.520 arra is coming this way, right, So let's get that off. 1:58:05.080 --> 1:58:10.760 That's what she said, she said. Okay, huh, little type, 1:58:11.040 --> 1:58:16.240 that's what she said. Okay, now track is want to 1:58:16.320 --> 1:58:32.160 twist let the error, guys, I'm not going he with 1:58:32.200 --> 1:58:36.640 a lot of people. Listen, hold on, did you hear 1:58:36.720 --> 1:58:39.720 that the air It wasn't even what he popped. It 1:58:39.880 --> 1:58:52.160 was the ear. That's perfect ear buzz. I'm not gonna sorrow. 1:58:54.000 --> 1:59:00.400 Did you borrow by year? That's what the guys who 1:59:00.480 --> 1:59:15.000 coming there, you know, you know he only that that 1:59:15.240 --> 1:59:18.240 was all that, That was no search. Let me just 1:59:18.320 --> 1:59:22.600 say something, man, you're relegion. When we started the show 1:59:22.760 --> 1:59:26.800 like this, this is where our purpose was was. You know, 1:59:27.200 --> 1:59:30.520 you figured that these new guys, they have their other platforms. 1:59:30.600 --> 1:59:32.440 You make these new records, and it's great and we 1:59:32.480 --> 1:59:34.240 want to support them too. I don't want to feel 1:59:34.280 --> 1:59:36.680 like a drink. Champs will support the new generation. We 1:59:36.760 --> 1:59:40.160 do support the new generation. It's our focuses on the 1:59:40.280 --> 1:59:43.520 generation that came before us, the generation that laid it 1:59:43.600 --> 1:59:47.040 down for prior to us, and we want to continue 1:59:47.080 --> 1:59:50.320 to do that. When we have artists like you, it's 1:59:50.360 --> 1:59:52.320 such an honor, it's such a pleasure and it's such 1:59:52.360 --> 1:59:54.720 a just a moment for us. Feel like like this 1:59:54.920 --> 1:59:56.520 what you were saying just now, I was just falling 1:59:56.560 --> 1:59:59.040 back into the fan mold like and I'm sitting back 1:59:59.280 --> 2:00:01.280 because some of the ships I knew, and that some 2:00:01.360 --> 2:00:03.120 of about Google and something that I was just like, 2:00:03.240 --> 2:00:05.200 I don't even I just want to figure it out 2:00:05.320 --> 2:00:11.840 right now, and such a beautiful moment for me. I 2:00:11.920 --> 2:00:15.440 know it's such a beautiful moment for him. Um, And 2:00:15.520 --> 2:00:17.360 we want to thank you in your face. We want to, 2:00:17.520 --> 2:00:19.840 you know, tell you how much we appreciate for what 2:00:20.000 --> 2:00:22.960 you're doing, because there's a lot of people who had 2:00:23.000 --> 2:00:25.680 your positions, had your moments, had your time. I could 2:00:25.720 --> 2:00:28.280 have said, you know why I did it. I did 2:00:28.360 --> 2:00:29.840 my part. Let me get out of here, let me 2:00:29.880 --> 2:00:33.640 take my money and let me get the away, let 2:00:33.680 --> 2:00:36.680 me get out of here. But one of the things, 2:00:36.800 --> 2:00:38.840 and I will say this, you know, one of the things, 2:00:39.760 --> 2:00:43.240 And I feel the same way. This is a fan 2:00:43.480 --> 2:00:45.440 boy moment for me too, because I'm such a fan 2:00:45.480 --> 2:00:49.480 of yours. Not only because not only because I love 2:00:49.600 --> 2:00:52.680 being on the road with you, being a small part 2:00:52.840 --> 2:00:56.600 of a great record, getting on the radio and doing that. 2:00:56.840 --> 2:01:01.680 But what you guys have built is what I strive for. 2:01:02.120 --> 2:01:04.360 You know, even with my Search Says podcast, even with 2:01:04.440 --> 2:01:07.360 my individual podcast, Like I study what you do in 2:01:07.400 --> 2:01:10.360 your interviews so that when I do my interviews, I 2:01:10.480 --> 2:01:12.400 know I'm I'm ready for it. Like I'm trying to 2:01:12.440 --> 2:01:13.800 be the how it's turning to hip hop, Like I 2:01:13.880 --> 2:01:16.080 want to fucking hit people over the head with ship, 2:01:16.160 --> 2:01:19.040 but they go, oh ship, Like when I hit Chris 2:01:19.160 --> 2:01:21.080 Rock over the head with knowing that he had he 2:01:21.200 --> 2:01:24.120 was on the spectrum of aspergers, he didn't even you know, 2:01:24.760 --> 2:01:26.320 like you know what I mean, Like I mean, like 2:01:26.400 --> 2:01:29.200 you know, or talking to like Kamal Bell about growing 2:01:29.280 --> 2:01:31.680 up in Oakland and knowing about him that you know, 2:01:31.880 --> 2:01:35.000 talking to fucking Roger Clemens about the blood blister on 2:01:35.080 --> 2:01:37.800 it in eight six and how it was bullshit and 2:01:37.840 --> 2:01:39.400 that you know what I'm saying, like so like I 2:01:39.720 --> 2:01:45.440 like to get it, but that is you returning what 2:01:45.600 --> 2:01:47.600 I gave to y'all. You know what I mean. And 2:01:47.680 --> 2:01:49.920 that's why I'm here, That's why I sat down. That's 2:01:49.920 --> 2:01:51.200 why I wanted to be a part of this. But 2:01:51.280 --> 2:01:53.480 you so much of a legend man, like when you 2:01:53.600 --> 2:01:55.600 look at you know. But I didn't want to say 2:01:55.640 --> 2:02:04.280 this real quickly. I'm sorry because because when I when 2:02:04.280 --> 2:02:07.520 we build, when we build the vote, when we when 2:02:07.560 --> 2:02:11.720 we build new vote, right one of the things, right, 2:02:11.760 --> 2:02:15.520 when we build a new vote. My philosophy was real simple. 2:02:15.560 --> 2:02:18.440 When I went to the company, I said, I want 2:02:18.480 --> 2:02:23.520 to create my department to help artists and do integrations 2:02:24.760 --> 2:02:29.400 so that they don't have recoupment on their videos. So 2:02:29.520 --> 2:02:32.160 we're gonna pay for a hundred percent of their videos 2:02:32.200 --> 2:02:36.400 and only take ten percent of the time. Right. In 2:02:36.680 --> 2:02:39.080 three years two thousand and eight to two thousand eleven, 2:02:42.320 --> 2:02:45.400 we gave Atlantic Records two point six million dollars. We 2:02:45.480 --> 2:02:48.680 gave Deaf Jam three million dollars. We gave Capital, we 2:02:48.760 --> 2:02:51.920 gave Sony, we gave our c A millions of dollars. 2:02:51.960 --> 2:02:53.640 And I'm not saying we didn't make it, because we did. 2:02:54.280 --> 2:02:57.920 We sold New Vote to eleven Giago for three hundred 2:02:58.000 --> 2:03:02.600 seventy six million in four years. I'm about accelerating opportunity. 2:03:03.160 --> 2:03:07.640 But my philosophy was simple, give to the artists. Make 2:03:07.720 --> 2:03:11.760 sure that this company benefits artists first and foremost, and 2:03:11.800 --> 2:03:13.960 then everything else will come back. You know. It's just 2:03:14.120 --> 2:03:16.920 like what the God says, born to born, right, that 2:03:17.160 --> 2:03:20.120 that tent to agree, that that that knowledge has to 2:03:20.200 --> 2:03:23.720 come back. So what you guys are doing for people 2:03:23.760 --> 2:03:25.960 like me, and the reason I was able to make 2:03:26.040 --> 2:03:29.000 my joint venture with Sony is this is an example. Well, 2:03:29.040 --> 2:03:31.280 we're all building off each other's back. That's the point 2:03:31.360 --> 2:03:35.200 that we've kind of been talking over. And it's also 2:03:35.280 --> 2:03:37.160 you know, goes back to your union and goes back 2:03:37.200 --> 2:03:38.720 to all the people that are here that make this 2:03:38.800 --> 2:03:42.200 show possible. Your engineer, the sound guys, the guys that 2:03:43.120 --> 2:03:46.240 you know, compromise their time. You know, the one most 2:03:46.280 --> 2:03:50.160 valuable commodity we have beyond money is time. We don't 2:03:50.200 --> 2:03:52.600 ever get it back this, you know, whatever time it 2:03:52.680 --> 2:03:54.160 is now, because I don't want to date it because 2:03:54.160 --> 2:03:57.080 it might be ever greeness content. The time we have now, 2:03:57.560 --> 2:04:01.840 we never get it back. So let's manufacture our time 2:04:02.680 --> 2:04:05.600 to equate the greatness you know what I mean, because 2:04:05.600 --> 2:04:09.280 everything else is bullshit. Everything else don't mean ship. Yeah, 2:04:09.280 --> 2:04:11.640 I mean. We can drink all the wine and we want. 2:04:11.720 --> 2:04:13.160 We can drink all we can smoke all the we 2:04:13.320 --> 2:04:15.920 we want, But if we don't maximize our time and 2:04:16.040 --> 2:04:18.360 doing what you're doing and doing what you know, what 2:04:18.480 --> 2:04:22.880 the fund is it for. That's true, that's true. That's true. 2:04:23.600 --> 2:04:25.960 Let me ask you something real quick about Searchlight, because 2:04:26.080 --> 2:04:29.280 I swear to God that I've seen Searchlight forever. Did 2:04:29.320 --> 2:04:33.840 you sell the company? I closed it? The only thing 2:04:33.920 --> 2:04:37.280 that exists now is Searchlight Publishing because there's just too much. 2:04:37.880 --> 2:04:40.600 I mean, we got obviously, we got nas you know 2:04:40.840 --> 2:04:43.600 that we administered but we also work with Ashley Rose 2:04:43.720 --> 2:04:46.080 is a amazing writer. She wrote for a Seventh Street 2:04:46.120 --> 2:04:49.280 Or Chris Brown, Body James, who's down with Griselda did 2:04:49.320 --> 2:04:52.520 the VERSACEI tape. You know he's down with that. Kevil 2:04:52.600 --> 2:04:55.400 de Grade, who wrote for like a gang of artists 2:04:55.400 --> 2:04:58.680 in Atlanta, A man big said, who's down here working 2:04:58.720 --> 2:05:01.080 with arn and working city girls and all that ship. 2:05:01.280 --> 2:05:04.440 So the only thing that existed Searchlight, Searchlight publishing. Everything 2:05:04.480 --> 2:05:08.720 else I closed. And when I had my own personal awakening, 2:05:09.240 --> 2:05:11.440 I said to my wife, I said, you know, it 2:05:11.520 --> 2:05:15.400 can't be about me anymore. I got amazing kids, You're amazing. 2:05:15.920 --> 2:05:18.760 And if I would have spent a tenth of my 2:05:18.920 --> 2:05:21.040 time listening to my wife, I would have been a 2:05:21.200 --> 2:05:23.920 hundred times more successful. So I said to my wife, 2:05:24.360 --> 2:05:29.080 take everything she My wife owns, the royalties, owns, the 2:05:29.160 --> 2:05:31.920 publishing owns them, that everything. And if I want to 2:05:32.000 --> 2:05:35.480 do something in business, I talked to Chantel. First, I 2:05:35.560 --> 2:05:40.160 can't make any decisions. Yep, Black and Puerto Rican Right, Cool, Cool, 2:05:44.080 --> 2:05:58.720 She's through. You see what's going to Gary Old is 2:05:58.760 --> 2:06:02.160 still a right to the barbecue after us. So I'm 2:06:02.240 --> 2:06:04.320 with him. I'm with my with my bride thirty three 2:06:04.400 --> 2:06:08.480 years so. Um so when I created four Him seeing 2:06:08.880 --> 2:06:10.960 and I made it about the kids, and I made 2:06:11.000 --> 2:06:14.120 it about my wife. It's because that is that is, 2:06:14.400 --> 2:06:16.600 that is my son, my my birth and my moon. 2:06:17.120 --> 2:06:20.200 And if I would have because and I know he 2:06:20.320 --> 2:06:22.560 got it in him, it's just something about blacks and 2:06:22.600 --> 2:06:24.640 Puerto Ricans that got it in him. My wife was 2:06:25.120 --> 2:06:26.840 she could sit me down with you for five minutes. 2:06:27.240 --> 2:06:29.600 Five minutes, she'll walk away from table and say, don't 2:06:29.600 --> 2:06:32.640 funk with him, or the opposite, fun with him. And 2:06:32.720 --> 2:06:35.840 I used to say this, come on, you don't know, no, 2:06:37.120 --> 2:06:42.000 not good beyond that, beyond that. And if I would 2:06:42.000 --> 2:06:44.880 have just spent a tenth of my time with her 2:06:45.400 --> 2:06:49.280 saying you're right, I would have been a hundred times 2:06:49.360 --> 2:06:53.520 more successful a hundred times. So now the last five 2:06:53.640 --> 2:06:57.640 years of my company with four him C has been 2:06:57.760 --> 2:07:00.240 fifty times more successful than it's ever been in the 2:07:00.880 --> 2:07:03.760 years pride, because I look at her and I say, 2:07:03.800 --> 2:07:06.440 what do you think, m And she says, give me 2:07:06.480 --> 2:07:08.840 all the information. She says to me, and I'll start 2:07:08.920 --> 2:07:12.960 talking and she does, Michael land the plane, land the plane, 2:07:13.280 --> 2:07:15.720 and then she says, I want to meet him yeah, 2:07:16.240 --> 2:07:19.680 And if those two things don't happen, deals just just 2:07:19.920 --> 2:07:23.560 doesn't happen. Beautiful. And I know you got it too. 2:07:29.000 --> 2:07:32.240 So what's next, What's next? What's next? You know? What's next? 2:07:32.320 --> 2:07:36.560 Honestly is Thomas Podcast Company. You know, I believe it's 2:07:36.560 --> 2:07:39.480 a complete network. It's a joint venture that we did 2:07:39.560 --> 2:07:45.920 with Sony and The Orchard. It is a entire organization. Um. 2:07:47.040 --> 2:07:52.520 I believe that that the titles and the colloquialisms that 2:07:52.600 --> 2:07:55.560 we put on our culture is fucked up because we 2:07:55.640 --> 2:07:57.480 are not classic, we are not old school, and our 2:07:57.560 --> 2:08:02.080 legend we are timeless. So I call everything I do timeless. 2:08:02.440 --> 2:08:06.840 Thomless Podcast Coming Me, Thomless Um Distribution and and the 2:08:06.880 --> 2:08:10.000 Thomless Podcast Companies about telling our stories, but telling it 2:08:10.080 --> 2:08:12.560 in a way that will live forever. And one of 2:08:12.640 --> 2:08:15.080 my favorite things to listen to in the archives radio 2:08:15.200 --> 2:08:20.160 archives is Orson Welles when he did the broadcast in 2:08:20.240 --> 2:08:23.640 nineteen World or the World Theater of the Mind, and 2:08:23.760 --> 2:08:26.720 I wanted to do that times a hundred. And when 2:08:26.720 --> 2:08:29.960 I heard Kane's story and he started blessing me, because 2:08:30.000 --> 2:08:32.240 that's really what Kane did. I mean, he blessed me 2:08:32.520 --> 2:08:35.800 with nine episodes of just should he never talked about. 2:08:36.640 --> 2:08:39.840 I said, it can't be just this I got. I 2:08:39.920 --> 2:08:43.680 want to hear the fucking leaves rustling on fucking on 2:08:43.840 --> 2:08:46.440 his block. I want to hear yo. He grew up 2:08:46.440 --> 2:08:49.000 across the street from Divine Sounds. I talked to Disco 2:08:49.160 --> 2:08:52.080 Ritchie about what people do for money, and we built 2:08:52.120 --> 2:08:54.640 the sound design all around that, you know what I'm saying, 2:08:54.640 --> 2:08:57.840 so when you hear it, and even created at the show. 2:08:57.880 --> 2:08:59.680 At the beginning of our show, a mercer of sound design, 2:09:00.080 --> 2:09:04.440 we have a trademarked registered sound effect that was built 2:09:04.760 --> 2:09:08.480 in a studio my Man Epic and Sugar Studios that 2:09:08.680 --> 2:09:13.400 was built to encapsulate everything you're going to here, everything 2:09:13.440 --> 2:09:16.120 that you hear. So everything that we do in Times 2:09:16.240 --> 2:09:18.800 podcast is based on immersive sound design and we have 2:09:18.880 --> 2:09:22.240 amazing partners and and you know obviously so there's there's 2:09:22.280 --> 2:09:23.760 that It's called did I have tell you to one 2:09:23.800 --> 2:09:26.800 about podcast? To have tell you about Big Daddy Kane 2:09:27.600 --> 2:09:31.760 Um premiers a We got Search Says podcast, which is 2:09:31.840 --> 2:09:35.040 just an interview, you know, kicking it with people. We 2:09:35.160 --> 2:09:38.160 have the Breaking Animity podcast which is coming in the summer. 2:09:38.480 --> 2:09:40.920 We have Line for Line which you're gonna love. It's 2:09:40.960 --> 2:09:44.280 two m c s talking about how much they influenced 2:09:44.320 --> 2:09:47.000 each other. So the first season is DMC and Chuck 2:09:47.120 --> 2:09:49.400 d Here's here's a little and here's a little treat 2:09:49.440 --> 2:09:51.120 for you. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna bang your head 2:09:51.160 --> 2:09:53.560 with this one. Get a little more sauced. I'm gonna 2:09:53.560 --> 2:09:56.919 bang your head. The original name of DMC, the original 2:09:57.080 --> 2:10:02.600 name that wasn't supposed to be in a group. DMC 2:10:02.840 --> 2:10:04.280 was not supposed to be in the group. It was 2:10:04.320 --> 2:10:08.600 just Joey, Joey and j smps. Right, Joey said, Hey, 2:10:08.800 --> 2:10:10.480 I know you've got some ROMs come to the studio. 2:10:10.880 --> 2:10:13.360 Just comes to the studio and kicked the rooms. And 2:10:13.440 --> 2:10:16.160 they did. They did. Suck MC's right, he said at 2:10:16.160 --> 2:10:21.240 the d m C. Right right. Russell says to Joey, 2:10:22.320 --> 2:10:24.880 if this doesn't work out, we're gonna call the group 2:10:25.120 --> 2:10:28.400 run the m C because it will be run. But 2:10:28.560 --> 2:10:31.000 after Daryl kicked his verse, Russell was so happy. They 2:10:31.040 --> 2:10:35.280 called it run DMC for Daryl McDaniels, and he blessed 2:10:35.480 --> 2:10:38.400 us on our podcast. Were the first people that he 2:10:38.720 --> 2:10:41.880 that he tells the whole story. That's what Timeless is 2:10:41.920 --> 2:10:44.720 about man, It's making this ship evergreen so that when 2:10:44.760 --> 2:10:47.840 people look back and we're gonna talk to the new artists, 2:10:47.840 --> 2:10:49.440 we're gonna talk to them, and you know, we have 2:10:49.680 --> 2:10:51.600 another great show that we're lining up and all of that. 2:10:51.720 --> 2:10:54.480 But the time this podcast company is about this. It's 2:10:54.480 --> 2:10:57.440 about making our stories evergreen, making them last for ever. 2:10:57.560 --> 2:11:00.560 And Kana is the first iteration of them that makes 2:11:00.560 --> 2:11:08.040 a noise of that. I ain't gonna love search. He 2:11:08.200 --> 2:11:11.600 was my man. You actually one of the people that 2:11:13.280 --> 2:11:15.120 I sit down and you tell your story and I 2:11:15.160 --> 2:11:19.080 can co sign it all the way through. You are 2:11:19.120 --> 2:11:23.280 absolutely right. Um. I met you to a Canelli. I 2:11:23.360 --> 2:11:26.680 had my tr I record and a couple of records, 2:11:26.920 --> 2:11:29.360 and you bruught me on tour. We went on tour. 2:11:29.480 --> 2:11:32.520 We had a beautiful time, and I want to thank 2:11:32.600 --> 2:11:36.560 you to your face as a man, because, um, there's 2:11:36.560 --> 2:11:37.920 a lot of things that you did in the hip 2:11:37.960 --> 2:11:40.960 hop that you didn't have to do, and you did it. 2:11:41.760 --> 2:11:43.800 And just in case you ever not felt like you 2:11:43.920 --> 2:11:46.960 got your flowers, So you get your flowers. We invented. 2:11:47.360 --> 2:11:50.160 We ain't invent the actual statement of giving the flowers. 2:11:50.680 --> 2:11:55.800 We we we made it famous. In the hip hop sorry, 2:11:56.080 --> 2:11:58.800 because because I could just remember and it was so 2:11:58.920 --> 2:12:03.680 beautiful like today and yesterday. I just spent these two 2:12:03.760 --> 2:12:06.440 days just watching all your videos and I like, you know, 2:12:06.520 --> 2:12:08.120 my man with them, you got you got more with 2:12:08.240 --> 2:12:11.280 them to me on the like when I looked, I said, 2:12:11.280 --> 2:12:15.640 I don't know if he was doing a little like 2:12:16.160 --> 2:12:18.600 like you know, like he was really dicing like back 2:12:18.680 --> 2:12:24.920 then you had the day he just ship was my 2:12:25.040 --> 2:12:27.520 first tour that we haven't went on was too short, right, 2:12:28.120 --> 2:12:29.800 because you know, we had the West coast and its 2:12:29.840 --> 2:12:31.440 coast locked up, but we had to do the Midwest. 2:12:31.920 --> 2:12:34.040 So Russell was telling me, oh, this is due too short, 2:12:34.200 --> 2:12:37.160 and I'm like, oh, Bona macke I know about I 2:12:37.240 --> 2:12:39.960 know about short talk. So we go and our first 2:12:40.000 --> 2:12:43.320 show is, I don't know, somewhere blank, middle, middle of 2:12:43.400 --> 2:12:48.280 the country, somewhere. We get on stage and typical New Yorker. 2:12:48.480 --> 2:12:52.240 Everybody knows me, everybody knows third Days, right, You're thinking this, 2:12:52.400 --> 2:12:57.200 of course, because I'm from New York. Everybody else, right, Yeah, 2:12:57.320 --> 2:13:03.280 that's a factor. I don't go. There was New York 2:13:03.440 --> 2:13:10.640 and then the rest of the world. So we're in 2:13:10.680 --> 2:13:14.760 the middle of nowhere, right, it's just it's just mountains 2:13:15.080 --> 2:13:19.960 and we're doing the show and Too Short loves all up. Yo, 2:13:20.080 --> 2:13:22.480 hey player, blah blah blah blah blah, player player, Yo, 2:13:22.560 --> 2:13:24.600 what up? Man? I go do your thing? Man, be 2:13:24.680 --> 2:13:27.680 on stage and watch you do your thing. Yo, I'm 2:13:27.720 --> 2:13:30.040 talking about the crowd was there. They were like, you know, 2:13:30.160 --> 2:13:33.080 they were polite. You know, they were polite, and they 2:13:33.160 --> 2:13:34.760 kind of knew our records for you, you know, from 2:13:34.800 --> 2:13:37.200 BT and Young TV rep. Yo. I went out there, 2:13:37.280 --> 2:13:39.920 dance in my asshole, I'm grabbing girls, I'm dancing me 2:13:40.000 --> 2:13:44.520 and crowdstous game with us. So everybody, all the home 2:13:44.520 --> 2:13:50.400 boysn't out right right we leave, We're like, too short, 2:13:51.200 --> 2:13:54.200 crowd is going crazy. Even before he touches the stage, 2:13:54.600 --> 2:14:01.400 Too Short walked across the stage and went and that's 2:14:01.400 --> 2:14:08.640 all he did for forty five and annihilated us. Annihilated us. 2:14:08.680 --> 2:14:10.440 We got back to the bus, it was like three 2:14:10.600 --> 2:14:13.400 people there at his bus. It couldn't even leave. So 2:14:13.440 --> 2:14:15.360 I'm like, oh, he must have this city on lock. 2:14:15.480 --> 2:14:18.960 We'll go to the next one. It was Oklahoma, same ship. 2:14:19.760 --> 2:14:22.000 I'm dancing. I mean, I'm now I'm doing the worm. 2:14:22.360 --> 2:14:26.320 I'm trying to get yo. I'm I'm like, yo, I'm 2:14:26.360 --> 2:14:32.200 just just all this stuff hop through my leg? Can 2:14:32.280 --> 2:14:40.240 it play style? Like I'm fucking amped? Right, And that's 2:14:40.280 --> 2:14:42.160 when I knew. So there's two times when I knew 2:14:42.160 --> 2:14:49.040 that New York wasn't ship. That was a fact, but 2:14:49.160 --> 2:14:51.480 it is what it is. But the second one was 2:14:51.600 --> 2:14:53.520 when we went on the on the road public Enemy. 2:14:53.680 --> 2:14:57.160 So it's publicly Enemy, digital underground quin laity for native tongues. Right, 2:14:57.280 --> 2:14:59.480 we get down south and I used to love. What 2:14:59.520 --> 2:15:00.880 I used to of is I usaid, love to go 2:15:00.920 --> 2:15:03.000 to side of stage and see the lineup because it 2:15:03.040 --> 2:15:05.640 would usually be bah blah blah blah blah or Cane 2:15:05.680 --> 2:15:07.960 and then Cane and Public Enemy or third Base Public Enemy. 2:15:08.520 --> 2:15:12.520 We get down South Vanmouge blah blah blah blah blah, 2:15:13.080 --> 2:15:15.560 Third Base, Public Enemy, two Love Crew, and I'm like, oh, 2:15:15.640 --> 2:15:18.480 this's gotta be a problem here. And I go to Chuck. 2:15:19.000 --> 2:15:22.440 I said, Chuck the honest, they funked up the lineup. 2:15:23.480 --> 2:15:25.640 He's like, no, one, No, they didn't. I said, yeah 2:15:25.640 --> 2:15:28.440 they did, man, you're fucking public Enemy. He's like watch 2:15:29.240 --> 2:15:31.480 and I said, watch what fucking two Love Crew? They 2:15:31.560 --> 2:15:34.840 got one record? He says, search shut up and watch, 2:15:35.680 --> 2:15:37.960 and we got to the southe of the stage. We performed, 2:15:38.000 --> 2:15:42.680 crowd goes crazy. Public Enemy performs, crowd goes crazy, and 2:15:42.760 --> 2:15:46.520 then all of a sudden the cops come in. And 2:15:46.600 --> 2:15:48.920 then all of a sudden, two Love Crew hits the 2:15:49.000 --> 2:15:51.480 stage and Luke says, hey, they ain't going out to 2:15:51.480 --> 2:15:54.320 say that works? Are you're gonna say him? Hey, we 2:15:54.480 --> 2:15:59.320 want to pose? And they didn't have to say one word. 2:15:59.840 --> 2:16:01.640 I never seen a dance like this in my life. 2:16:01.680 --> 2:16:05.080 The upper row they were doing like fucking musical chairs 2:16:05.160 --> 2:16:13.720 around chairs, fucking talle no. So they didn't even do 2:16:14.000 --> 2:16:16.600 they didn't even do the record. They didn't even do 2:16:16.680 --> 2:16:19.640 me so Hawny, they didn't even do that. Then he goes, 2:16:20.040 --> 2:16:24.320 they don't say word, so d dud, dude. I'm like, 2:16:24.440 --> 2:16:28.040 what the fund are working with these motherfucker's? Did I 2:16:28.360 --> 2:16:31.040 recognized never gonna hurt before they got to me, so 2:16:31.200 --> 2:16:34.720 harny and I just and I feel the tap on 2:16:34.800 --> 2:16:37.720 my shoulder and he turned around it's and it's chucked 2:16:37.760 --> 2:16:39.880 and he says, you always let the hottest group close. 2:16:41.520 --> 2:16:46.080 So fast forward. We're in Europe. We're doing Public Enemy 2:16:46.160 --> 2:16:49.560 Third Base World Tour. We have the number one record 2:16:49.720 --> 2:16:52.560 in the country of gas face. At the time, the 2:16:52.680 --> 2:16:55.360 Queen of England was trying to pass a law called 2:16:55.400 --> 2:16:58.560 the poll Tax p O L L Tax, and basically 2:16:58.640 --> 2:17:00.560 what it said was Pauliaman was trying and say, okay, 2:17:01.080 --> 2:17:03.280 every person in every household has to pay a flat 2:17:03.320 --> 2:17:07.640 tax pounds. Now, if you're a blue collar worker and 2:17:07.760 --> 2:17:10.880 you got mom, dad, two kids, ten thousand pounds forty 2:17:10.920 --> 2:17:13.160 thousand a year pounds, it's fine, it's not a big deal. 2:17:13.760 --> 2:17:16.720 But in the Trinity neighborhoods in Brixton and South London, 2:17:17.360 --> 2:17:19.640 you know, they had twelve people living under a roof 2:17:20.200 --> 2:17:23.720 Caribbean families. They couldn't afford that. Fucking yo. That's that's 2:17:23.800 --> 2:17:26.320 they don't They're not even bringing that home. It was 2:17:26.480 --> 2:17:30.520 civil unrest. I mean it was like black lives matter 2:17:30.959 --> 2:17:35.440 before black lives matter, I mean ash fucking barrels burning 2:17:35.480 --> 2:17:38.120 in the streets, no poll tax, all of that. We 2:17:38.200 --> 2:17:40.440 go to Brixton Academy, which is like the old one 2:17:40.480 --> 2:17:44.000 of the oldest theaters in London. In Brixton, I look 2:17:44.040 --> 2:17:53.240 at the public enemy third base right, So I'm like, okay, okay, okay, Flavor. 2:17:53.280 --> 2:17:55.560 I'll never forget this. So this is this old rickety 2:17:55.600 --> 2:18:00.680 building with the base the building shaking. Flavor gets on 2:18:00.879 --> 2:18:06.720 top of a six stacked set of speakers and doing 2:18:06.800 --> 2:18:09.160 his Flavor dance. And this thing is rocking like this 2:18:09.640 --> 2:18:11.760 like I thought he was gonna kill himself. Crowd is 2:18:11.879 --> 2:18:16.120 going crazy. Trainees Pepper had Caribbean heads. Everybody. It's in 2:18:16.200 --> 2:18:19.440 the middle of Brixton. I come on stage. We come 2:18:19.480 --> 2:18:22.360 on stage. Crowd goes crazy. Right, We're gonna end with 2:18:22.440 --> 2:18:25.920 gas face. Everybody m c search. I cut off the music. 2:18:26.760 --> 2:18:29.680 I said, yo, black Cat is bad and I'm screaming 2:18:29.720 --> 2:18:32.440 it as loud as I can. Black Cat is bad luck. 2:18:32.840 --> 2:18:35.720 Bad guys wear black. Must have been the same queen 2:18:35.800 --> 2:18:40.680 that set up the poll tax get the We couldn't 2:18:40.720 --> 2:18:44.119 even finish the song. They ran into the streets they 2:18:44.280 --> 2:18:48.640 I mean it was crazy. Next day London Times Third 2:18:48.720 --> 2:18:52.680 Base gives the queen the gas face crazy right, crazy. 2:18:53.160 --> 2:18:55.800 We tore the country. We come back. We do Wembley, 2:18:56.200 --> 2:18:59.520 hundred and sixty thousand people. Biggest show I ever seen 2:18:59.560 --> 2:19:03.560 in my life. Well the tennis shit Wimbley, No, that's 2:19:03.600 --> 2:19:08.200 when that's Wembley. The thing this is Wibley Arena. All right, 2:19:09.400 --> 2:19:12.480 it's like a hundred sixty thousand people and it's now 2:19:12.560 --> 2:19:15.200 a third base and p that I go out there 2:19:15.200 --> 2:19:18.240 and we do gas and before my even verse comes on, 2:19:18.640 --> 2:19:21.600 the whole crowd black cat is bad luck. Bad guys 2:19:21.680 --> 2:19:23.400 were black must have been the same queen and set 2:19:23.440 --> 2:19:27.080 up the poll tech. Crowd went crazy. Crowd went crazy. 2:19:28.760 --> 2:19:32.840 I learned from from those guys that you always let 2:19:33.400 --> 2:19:35.600 the hottest group close. And when we went on tour 2:19:36.400 --> 2:19:38.960 on third days and we found out about Noughty and 2:19:39.000 --> 2:19:41.280 we found about Cyprus. When we were on the west coast, 2:19:41.400 --> 2:19:45.560 we let them close. Nordy, North Norton, Nordy on the 2:19:45.600 --> 2:19:48.200 east coast. Yeah, but they were the hottest on the west. 2:19:48.440 --> 2:19:51.640 It was hottest on the west. Okay, all right now, 2:19:51.720 --> 2:19:56.440 I also saw one thing too that you said you 2:19:56.560 --> 2:19:59.640 knew bush with Bill from bush Oh, yeah, from Brooklyn 2:20:00.040 --> 2:20:02.280 Busher Bills from Bushwick. Yeah, that's why they called him 2:20:02.280 --> 2:20:08.199 Bushwick Bill. I mean it makes sense. They were from Texas. 2:20:08.760 --> 2:20:11.200 Come on, man, DJ permitted from Texas to him. But 2:20:11.280 --> 2:20:17.320 he's from Brooklyn, now, yo. That fucked me up. As 2:20:17.360 --> 2:20:22.879 we see him with Jake friends, he's freaking move man, 2:20:22.920 --> 2:20:30.240 I'm from I didn't know it's different like I thought 2:20:30.320 --> 2:20:33.640 there was. It did make sense when you said it, right, 2:20:34.120 --> 2:20:36.960 but I was like, wait a minute, he's I thought 2:20:37.040 --> 2:20:39.720 they were all from Texas. Well they well they eventually 2:20:39.760 --> 2:20:42.720 worked from Texas. So you knew him from Brooklyn? How 2:20:42.800 --> 2:20:45.120 the fund did you meet Bushwick? Building? Just from being 2:20:45.160 --> 2:20:46.800 around the scene and broken, Like I told you, I'm 2:20:46.840 --> 2:20:50.320 the Forest Gump. I was everywhere, like I was working everywhere, 2:20:50.400 --> 2:20:53.000 So I met I met Bill Um when I was 2:20:53.080 --> 2:20:55.720 with the Bad Boys inspect the guy. You remember that record, 2:20:56.320 --> 2:20:58.960 So that they have to do is we're from bed Stide. 2:20:58.959 --> 2:21:01.920 The other dudes were from brown Will and we just 2:21:02.000 --> 2:21:05.240 bumped in the Bill and yeah, we just became cool. 2:21:06.040 --> 2:21:08.360 And then like maybe maybe six months a year, lady 2:21:08.440 --> 2:21:13.480 moved to Houston. Okay, bush your bills originally from Bushwick. 2:21:14.200 --> 2:21:18.600 That's why they call him bush Maybe that's why they traded. 2:21:19.000 --> 2:21:22.080 They traded Premier for Busher Bill. I don't know, hell 2:21:22.160 --> 2:21:25.600 of a trade. That's a hell of a trader's fucking 2:21:25.640 --> 2:21:28.280 great trades of me. Man it man, you let me 2:21:28.360 --> 2:21:32.760 tell you some legends, both legends. Man. I can't thank 2:21:32.760 --> 2:21:39.520 you so much. My brother like, um, wow, So do 2:21:39.560 --> 2:21:41.000 you know I was gonna ask you not to smoke 2:21:41.080 --> 2:21:43.520 weed here? Right? Yeah, it was gonna happen. No, I 2:21:43.600 --> 2:21:47.360 know that's but I just want to let you go 2:21:47.520 --> 2:21:49.160 to your face and I love you. Yeah, I let 2:21:49.200 --> 2:21:51.720 you to b and I hope we exchanged numbers and 2:21:51.760 --> 2:21:54.840 I hope we get to break. Yes. Listen, listen to me, bro. 2:21:55.680 --> 2:21:59.280 You are what we call a legend. You are what 2:21:59.480 --> 2:22:03.119 we call hip hop official or a person that stood 2:22:03.240 --> 2:22:05.920 with the test of time and it's still standing there. 2:22:06.120 --> 2:22:08.280 We want to tell you that to your face. We said, 2:22:08.320 --> 2:22:10.440 we talked about you like that when you're not around. 2:22:10.560 --> 2:22:12.040 We want to talk about you like that when you 2:22:12.120 --> 2:22:15.920 are around. The stories that like interviews. It was crazy 2:22:15.959 --> 2:22:17.840 because I just came from New York and I missed 2:22:17.879 --> 2:22:19.520 my flash supposed to go to l A and then 2:22:19.680 --> 2:22:22.480 come here. But it was great because I had I 2:22:22.560 --> 2:22:25.080 did two days study on you. So I'm just keep 2:22:25.240 --> 2:22:27.320 rolling up. I'm just keep rolling up, and I'm like, 2:22:28.000 --> 2:22:30.760 I'm trying to figure out win and this will be 2:22:30.879 --> 2:22:36.520 my last question. That all right, Because when I couldn't 2:22:36.600 --> 2:22:40.920 look at people time capsule of this game, I canna 2:22:40.920 --> 2:22:46.440 say this, motherfucker hated hip hop here m hm. When 2:22:46.480 --> 2:22:48.440 I look at my own ship, oh, I know when 2:22:48.480 --> 2:22:53.720 I hated it. I look at other people ship, I 2:22:53.879 --> 2:23:00.240 know when they definitively I could not if you could 2:23:00.240 --> 2:23:02.760 correct me if I'm wrong, if there was ever a 2:23:02.920 --> 2:23:06.800 moment that you did just say, this is not what 2:23:07.000 --> 2:23:09.080 I signed up for. This is not what I wanted 2:23:09.080 --> 2:23:11.680 to be a part of. When I looked at the 2:23:11.879 --> 2:23:15.760 footage that is available and the Googles that is available, 2:23:16.160 --> 2:23:18.040 was there ever moment where he was just like, man, 2:23:18.240 --> 2:23:21.480 this is this is not it. This is not what 2:23:21.600 --> 2:23:23.360 I want to be a part of. All this is? 2:23:24.680 --> 2:23:30.960 Was there? Everyone? No? Never? No? This culture gave me everything. Okay, 2:23:31.080 --> 2:23:35.600 So was there any point you was disappointed? Yes? Tell 2:23:35.640 --> 2:23:40.000 me no one. Yes, When when Vnilis and Hammer were 2:23:40.440 --> 2:23:43.200 on the radio and all people respect that we're not 2:23:43.360 --> 2:23:48.120 on the radio. Um, that's that's that for me? Was 2:23:48.360 --> 2:23:52.800 harper um. You know. I always tried, and again I 2:23:52.800 --> 2:23:54.879 don't like to use finite words, but I'll use it here. 2:23:55.520 --> 2:24:01.160 I always tried my best two figure out how I 2:24:01.240 --> 2:24:03.840 can contribute the best way I could, even in building 2:24:03.920 --> 2:24:06.240 nonfiction and being a part of that and having a 2:24:06.840 --> 2:24:08.960 plan and going to Geffen and just saying, Hey, these 2:24:08.959 --> 2:24:10.680 guys are gonna be the Ramons of hip hop. Like 2:24:11.000 --> 2:24:13.120 I just knew it, Like I just knew that they 2:24:13.160 --> 2:24:15.960 didn't need radio to be millionaires and you know, sell 2:24:16.040 --> 2:24:18.800 millions of records and just building a studio with Necro 2:24:18.879 --> 2:24:23.120 and Ill Bill in the middle of Brooklyn and making music. Um. No, 2:24:23.400 --> 2:24:27.520 there's never been a term io hip hop everything. Um. 2:24:28.040 --> 2:24:30.400 If it wasn't for this culture accepting me and allowing 2:24:30.480 --> 2:24:33.720 me to do what I do, Um, your girl would 2:24:33.760 --> 2:24:35.960 be telling me to go get a side seven shoot 2:24:36.240 --> 2:24:42.360 at North Room. Um. I everything that I've done in 2:24:42.480 --> 2:24:46.640 my in my career has been around the philosophy that 2:24:46.720 --> 2:24:50.160 I was taught in the culture peace, unity, love and 2:24:50.200 --> 2:24:56.080 having fun and the tenants of this culture. Um. Because 2:24:56.160 --> 2:24:57.760 you know, I come from a place where there was 2:24:57.840 --> 2:25:00.959 no term it's hip hop. I heard Graham Mix said 2:25:01.040 --> 2:25:03.520 dst say, just like you know, the term hip hop 2:25:03.600 --> 2:25:05.720 was a derogatory term. We didn't want it to be 2:25:05.800 --> 2:25:07.959 called that. When I was coming up, it was kids 2:25:08.200 --> 2:25:10.400 dancing in the street, writing their names on the walls, 2:25:11.000 --> 2:25:13.600 DJ and and parties and and rapping in in the 2:25:13.640 --> 2:25:17.280 street like there was no thing. I think the new 2:25:17.360 --> 2:25:19.840 York Times called it that, or The New Yorker. We 2:25:19.879 --> 2:25:21.760 don't want to call it that, but we adapted, right. 2:25:22.840 --> 2:25:26.000 I owe this culture everything. Then I don't know what 2:25:26.160 --> 2:25:28.440 I would I would be a shoe salesman. I'm sure 2:25:28.480 --> 2:25:30.520 I would be selling something, but I would not be 2:25:30.760 --> 2:25:32.680 where I am, and I would not be able to 2:25:32.760 --> 2:25:36.040 afford the life that I have, and I would not 2:25:36.160 --> 2:25:39.760 be able to afford the family that I have. UM 2:25:42.120 --> 2:25:44.120 but no, and I still look for new music, and 2:25:44.160 --> 2:25:47.200 I still love new talent, and I still try to 2:25:47.280 --> 2:25:49.199 find I still try to get up on ship before 2:25:49.200 --> 2:25:51.840 anybody else. I got a cool homeboys that we called 2:25:51.879 --> 2:25:54.160 and I'm like, hell, you up on Marcus Kraft, you 2:25:54.320 --> 2:25:56.760 up on blah blah blah. You know, I'm still that dude. 2:25:56.879 --> 2:25:59.200 I'm still that, you know, seventeen year old kids that 2:25:59.240 --> 2:26:01.800 instead of going an sol, instead of going to J 2:26:01.920 --> 2:26:04.320 and R Music World, instead of going to like, you know, 2:26:04.480 --> 2:26:07.440 whether the record spot was in every place in this country. 2:26:08.080 --> 2:26:11.480 I'm on the internet trying to find who's next, you know. 2:26:11.600 --> 2:26:15.240 Like when I heard J Cole's warm up, when I 2:26:15.320 --> 2:26:18.520 heard Lights Please, I said to my homeboy, I said, Yo, 2:26:18.600 --> 2:26:20.000 this kid is about to be the greatest one of 2:26:20.040 --> 2:26:23.080 the greatest lights. Please, if you haven't heard that record, 2:26:23.080 --> 2:26:24.360 I don't know if you have or not. I would 2:26:24.360 --> 2:26:26.560 strongly suggest we spent some time with that record. But 2:26:26.680 --> 2:26:28.720 that what's what's your what's your favorite moment of hip 2:26:28.720 --> 2:26:32.520 hop without you? Without you participate in? Oh, I mean, 2:26:32.560 --> 2:26:35.680 there's so many bro um. The one that comes up 2:26:35.720 --> 2:26:39.160 to up to the one one of my favorites is 2:26:39.280 --> 2:26:42.880 krs at the Latin Quarter about to perform you know, 2:26:42.959 --> 2:26:50.440 the South Bronx And while he's on stage. Oh so, 2:26:50.600 --> 2:26:53.480 just so we're clear, I was the first person with 2:26:53.640 --> 2:26:56.520 scholar Rockney recent Peace. I was there when the first 2:26:56.600 --> 2:27:00.080 time that record ever got played in the club. So 2:27:00.160 --> 2:27:03.920 I'm watching Cares and Scott get on stage and Mellie 2:27:03.959 --> 2:27:10.400 mell comes behind him and wants to battle him, and 2:27:11.000 --> 2:27:14.400 mel pulls out a Hunted and from the stage it 2:27:14.440 --> 2:27:18.160 looked like it was a pretty crumpled hunted. And Chris 2:27:18.200 --> 2:27:21.360 said hunted and he turned to Scott and Scott handed 2:27:21.440 --> 2:27:23.000 him a band a thousand. He said, how about a 2:27:23.080 --> 2:27:28.200 thousand South Brons came on? It was a southron crowd 2:27:28.320 --> 2:27:31.840 went fucking ape ship and that was that was the record. 2:27:31.879 --> 2:27:34.360 The Queen's was not no, not not at all. It 2:27:34.440 --> 2:27:37.080 was just stating the fact it was not an mc 2:27:37.200 --> 2:27:40.080 shann I have pictures of and it's in Paradise's Book 2:27:40.120 --> 2:27:43.080 of Shannon and Cares hanging out together in the in 2:27:43.160 --> 2:27:45.840 the LQ. You know what I'm saying. And that's one 2:27:45.840 --> 2:27:47.520 of the things, like you when you talk about East 2:27:47.560 --> 2:27:49.480 West and you talk about this and that, like that's 2:27:49.520 --> 2:27:52.640 the streets that magnified that the hottest, even even Magic 2:27:52.720 --> 2:27:55.160 and read alber cool like they weren't. They didn't have 2:27:55.200 --> 2:27:57.320 beef with each other. We magnified that in the street. 2:27:59.240 --> 2:28:00.800 But that's one of my favorite that's one of my 2:28:00.879 --> 2:28:04.280 favorite memories of hip hop that I always that sticks 2:28:04.360 --> 2:28:06.200 with me. You know, Scottler Rock was like my big 2:28:06.240 --> 2:28:10.040 brother and uh and I was. I was at the 2:28:10.280 --> 2:28:14.200 I was there when Kay arrests and Ms Melody and 2:28:14.280 --> 2:28:18.880 Scotty Morris walked out of the Bronx hospital when they 2:28:18.920 --> 2:28:21.480 found out that he was brained it and they were 2:28:21.520 --> 2:28:23.520 just he just walked past me, he didn't even acknowledge 2:28:23.520 --> 2:28:25.520 me and kept numbling the same thing. We just got 2:28:25.640 --> 2:28:28.279 to move on. We just gotta move on. And Friday 2:28:28.360 --> 2:28:33.720 was the show with Malison Square Garden. Wow, I'm the 2:28:33.800 --> 2:28:37.720 forest gump. Damn it, God, damn man, make him motherfucker 2:28:37.840 --> 2:28:43.959 mc Motherfucker's So he went to a house without giving 2:28:44.000 --> 2:28:47.640 me some gifts. So I got some gifts for y'all. Yep, 2:28:48.040 --> 2:28:51.720 I brought some gifts. So before I leave, you got 2:28:51.760 --> 2:28:54.520 this stingy pat. 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