Speaker 1: Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect
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Speaker 1: He's a legendary queen's rapper, he said, is your boy
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Speaker 1: when you're looking at drink Champs and you say that
Speaker 1: when we started this show for we said we wanted
Speaker 1: to have a show that we, you know, salute our
Speaker 1: legends and salute them now, not to salute them when
Speaker 1: they in the coffin and all this. And when you
Speaker 1: look at this brother that's to the left of me,
Speaker 1: not only is he a queen's legend, he's a New
Speaker 1: York City legend. Not only see a New York City legend.
Speaker 1: He's a hip hip legend. He had stood by the
Speaker 1: culture and put the culture on his back in many
Speaker 1: different scenarios. I remember even had a daytime talk show.
Speaker 1: I was watching that too. He was like the Jenny
Speaker 1: Jones and he kept hip hop. He kept hip hop.
Speaker 1: He was having to suit somebody keptin hipop. He's a
Speaker 1: part of a legendary group. One of my favorite songs
Speaker 1: of all times, get the gas Face. He a part
Speaker 1: of that. He later on wanted to have a solo
Speaker 1: career and then had success putting on want of arguably
Speaker 1: the best mcs of old times. After that he went
Speaker 1: on in and started doing radio. I heard he got
Speaker 1: a podcast coming up now, books, all type of crazy shit, hustling,
Speaker 1: even white wrapper shows. HM had to do with everything.
Speaker 1: I can keep going. So in case if people don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, we're talking about the motherfucking
Speaker 1: hen see mother Side. You are truly all around hustle. Hey,
Speaker 1: when you're from far rockaway Queens. When they guy wanted
Speaker 1: to do it, goddamn makes its out to get it.
Speaker 1: You gotta get it how you get it, you know.
Speaker 1: But I hold you uh flowers because I'm able to
Speaker 1: do my podcast because it's a success that you've had it,
Speaker 1: so we're able to you know, create you know the
Speaker 1: time this podcast company because of the successful peopack What's
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Speaker 1: ain't drinking the search is how we do. Um, I'm
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Speaker 1: So let's let's let's take it from the beginning, right
Speaker 1: the beginning, when hip hop first came on the scene. Um,
Speaker 1: you started out as a third basis that well, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I was I was a solo battle MC. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: when I um, when I was coming up, um, you
Speaker 1: know it was it was just so you gotta imagine
Speaker 1: taking the A train from far rockaway. So when I
Speaker 1: went to high school, uh, music and art on a
Speaker 1: hundred content that's okay, yeah yea. So my favorite group
Speaker 1: that I heard in the street on those cassette tapes
Speaker 1: was a group called the Kango Crew. For MCS had
Speaker 1: little skits that they would do around like uptown and
Speaker 1: all of that hill billy girl Indian girl like funnition
Speaker 1: and it was, you know, four dudes. And I went
Speaker 1: to my first day at high school and I went
Speaker 1: to the lunch room and I see the cipher in
Speaker 1: the lunch room ain't giving the regular cups, Mrs Mr
Speaker 1: Lee get a regular cup head. And I see these
Speaker 1: dudes running around the lunch table. So I go stand
Speaker 1: on the lunch table and I see these four dudes
Speaker 1: and they're doing the routine. And then they got old
Speaker 1: and matching colored canoes. They got to the teamers shirts.
Speaker 1: And the dude that was next to me was like
Speaker 1: we had a big brother, Big Sister program where a
Speaker 1: freshman and a senior would walking around the school. So
Speaker 1: my man, Steve Bosco, may rest in peace. I turned
Speaker 1: to him and I said, Yo, they're doing the Can't
Speaker 1: Go Crew and he said, mother Funker, that is they
Speaker 1: can't Go cruise and the imps. Because I've never seen
Speaker 1: rappers in person and all heard was the fourth and
Speaker 1: fifth generation cassette tapes. I've never seen him in person.
Speaker 1: I just knew the dude's names. Where you start strugging, please, man,
Speaker 1: I never seen a star in my life like that
Speaker 1: big and it was a guy named Ricky d who
Speaker 1: became Sliquid. It was Dana Dane who became Send a
Speaker 1: Fella Day to Day, and their homeboys Lands Romance and
Speaker 1: Omega and yeah, and then they stopped doing that, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, his dude beat boxes and
Speaker 1: his name is Douggie fresh right, and they started doing
Speaker 1: this record called Lotti Dotty I've never heard before your
Speaker 1: history right now, So I knew all the words to
Speaker 1: Lotti Dotti before Lotti Dottie Eva came out in eighty five.
Speaker 1: And this is a fact though, I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: I was so enamored with it that when I went
Speaker 1: back around my way, I knew nobody heard it. So
Speaker 1: I started saying them rhymes like they were mine. Press girl,
Speaker 1: they don't have. So record comes out and I'm at
Speaker 1: McDonald's and Linbrook coming out of Hot Skates and the
Speaker 1: record comes on regular plays it because you know Kiss
Speaker 1: FM they had then, you know shows Friday Saturday night.
Speaker 1: And the girl that was Dan's Dominican chick who would
Speaker 1: hook me up with free Big Max, was at the
Speaker 1: counter and she goes, oh, oh, there's Ricky de Dominican
Speaker 1: always got the hook up. And the dude behind me
Speaker 1: goes Ricky de blows up my spots. But it was
Speaker 1: that indoctrination and watching the dudes, like right next to
Speaker 1: it was this dude, Jay Cool, and Jay Cool and
Speaker 1: his brother formed the Frustra mcas And before I left
Speaker 1: high school, I'm here in for e s H Fresh
Speaker 1: Fresh Fresh, yoh, that's fresh pumpkin and all stars. You know,
Speaker 1: I was having um o c and Crazy Yetti would
Speaker 1: come into my school dating this girl in the show
Speaker 1: that they had a record called Problems Every World Today.
Speaker 1: Like so I'm like seventeen years old and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: like I can do this, and my man mathematics and understanding,
Speaker 1: We're like, no, you can watch it. You can't be
Speaker 1: a part of this. You're a white boy, You're a devil.
Speaker 1: You could, you could, you could, you could come to
Speaker 1: the dinner table. Wasn't the beastie boys out? Like no,
Speaker 1: this is there. Busy boys came in because I graduated
Speaker 1: high school. So I actually graduated high school with Mark
Speaker 1: Pitts changing faces. So so I knew I could do it.
Speaker 1: Like I knew I could do it, but I wasn't
Speaker 1: really allowed to do it. So I was just a
Speaker 1: battling scene. So I'm basically my man math and my
Speaker 1: man Understanding would have the battle all through like the
Speaker 1: five boroughs, and they were moving their little thing things
Speaker 1: right right, so they would go to lie at the
Speaker 1: flat top right right. No, not yet I had a
Speaker 1: jew from but um. So what they would do is
Speaker 1: because one of the as I learned early on was
Speaker 1: like when when people started battle rhyman, they all had
Speaker 1: pre prepared rhymes. Nobody was rubing off top of their head.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, so I'm like, yo, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: my thing. Like I'm I'm a freestyle I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come off the top of my head and
Speaker 1: be just as good and better, good, better, because i
Speaker 1: had to be ten times better because I'm the only
Speaker 1: fucking white boy out the only other white people you
Speaker 1: saw up the park. Terms as the police, I was
Speaker 1: the only white boy, said the police. So so they
Speaker 1: would set up these battles for me, and I would
Speaker 1: show up at the you know, these little jams or whatever,
Speaker 1: and as soon as I came up the subway steps,
Speaker 1: whatever little money was being beat. As soon as they
Speaker 1: were like, oh that's MC search the money with triple like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh no, we got him, We got him,
Speaker 1: got them guys, Hold on, hold is this what as like,
Speaker 1: white man can't jump like man like you? And I
Speaker 1: was even a white man. It was the devil devil
Speaker 1: can't don't like white hell like Let's this error is
Speaker 1: heavily infused by which was which? So I don't want
Speaker 1: people to think like that. That was just it was
Speaker 1: just at that time. It was at the time this
Speaker 1: and it was a black off form and there was
Speaker 1: no The only white boy ever saw Ron ever was
Speaker 1: this kid, Lord Scotch A. K. Blake who now writes
Speaker 1: KO like he was the first white rapper ever. So
Speaker 1: so I would come up the steps and then the
Speaker 1: numbers were triple and they would be like, ohhoa that
Speaker 1: starts a hundred two hundred three SID to be decipher
Speaker 1: and these dudes would start beating beatboxing and ron and
Speaker 1: for the dude in the project, so whoever Vandam and
Speaker 1: Moss wherever wherever they were from, and they were battedly.
Speaker 1: But there was all pre written rounds so it was
Speaker 1: usually always two rounds. It never went three. It was
Speaker 1: always two rounds. So the first round what ever, the
Speaker 1: dude said to me, I went over my head. I
Speaker 1: would just break them down heads and I would just
Speaker 1: I would just like, look at what they were wearing.
Speaker 1: I would see what they were wearing, and I would
Speaker 1: clown them. That was my first move. Freesty was there
Speaker 1: pre written for you? They so right. And not only that,
Speaker 1: the other thing that was crazy is because I went
Speaker 1: to a music school. When they try to do the beatbox,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, no, no, no no, I'm gonna go acapella
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, yo, what do you mean you're
Speaker 1: going on Acapulca? What you're talking about? I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't need no beat acapella, right, So I would
Speaker 1: robb just off till my head with no beat. So
Speaker 1: now you know, now you got me saying sh about
Speaker 1: what you're wearing. And now all their boys are like,
Speaker 1: it's a problem, right, And mind you, I'm bought at
Speaker 1: the train, like I'm right by the train. So the
Speaker 1: battles happening right by the train. So the second round,
Speaker 1: the dude is now shure, always sure. And now the
Speaker 1: second round comes in. Now you want to lose the
Speaker 1: white kid neither though, that's really don't want that to happen,
Speaker 1: but take it back. But but but then the other thing,
Speaker 1: that temp was just going up because now that all
Speaker 1: the stick up kids are like, whatever he gets, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get it back anyway. Right, So that's that's the heat.
Speaker 1: That's what you gotta imagine. The temperatures like going up.
Speaker 1: So right, um so now the second one, whatever he
Speaker 1: says to me, I'm taking all his words against him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you said this, but you should have
Speaker 1: said this. So now I'm gonna turn around and make
Speaker 1: it a dis and dismiss everything you just said. Right,
Speaker 1: And now they're like, you know how to go, you know,
Speaker 1: so my man. So they would then pass the money
Speaker 1: to me, and as soon as I got the money,
Speaker 1: I would dip back to the train before the stick
Speaker 1: up happened. So I would top the train and I
Speaker 1: was going but just one pidgeon dead away, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had to get one. And my boys were smart
Speaker 1: like that, like they're going about it at the time.
Speaker 1: We're like, you know, this is gonna be a problem,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna sun with my two boys. Because
Speaker 1: then they were sucked up the train right, like they
Speaker 1: didn't want the money to stop. So it was, it
Speaker 1: was what it was. So this one time, that's one time.
Speaker 1: I'm laughing, but it's nothing funny, just one time. So
Speaker 1: my but like, so this happened eighty six, eighty seven,
Speaker 1: I'm a beast, Like I'm like, I got my Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got my ten thousand hours plus another ten. Right,
Speaker 1: we do this one battle my man, my man, Reggie
Speaker 1: Reggies DJ and a party in Brooklyn and I'm battling
Speaker 1: this Latin kid, the Spanish kid. Right. I think I
Speaker 1: might have been zooted at the time, Like I might
Speaker 1: have been smoking rulers at the time. Rulers, for those
Speaker 1: who don't know, is weed, and I think it might
Speaker 1: it might have been. I'm not a hundred per cents sure,
Speaker 1: but I'm but all I know is I'm on my
Speaker 1: way to Latin Quarter. So like it's a Friday night,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my money, right, I'm gonna go, you know.
Speaker 1: And my man was DJ and in a park gym
Speaker 1: there anyway, So I'm like, all right, cool, So this
Speaker 1: dude is Latin dude. He already has an attitude and
Speaker 1: I'm already kind of it's already known that there's this
Speaker 1: white kid MC search and he's doing this thing whatever.
Speaker 1: So the dude battles me typical style. He got his
Speaker 1: written and I break them, and I mean I broke
Speaker 1: them to the point where his own girl is like
Speaker 1: trying to pass me the math like, so his face
Speaker 1: is now screwed. He got the screw face. Look at it.
Speaker 1: He don't even want to kick a second verse, but
Speaker 1: he kicks his second verse. And when he kicks his
Speaker 1: second verse, I can see where his building was and
Speaker 1: where his mom was, and his mom calls to him
Speaker 1: in the middle of the verse like blah bla blah blah,
Speaker 1: come and he pulls out a pack of Newport to
Speaker 1: smoke a Newport And I said, Joe, it's it's coincidental
Speaker 1: that your mom's calling you and you're picking out that
Speaker 1: new Port because I'm a smoker. And before you say
Speaker 1: anything else, right, And this dude's face got great, like
Speaker 1: I never seeing a dude face get like like right.
Speaker 1: So now so now the dip happens. The dip happens.
Speaker 1: I get the money I did. It was a big collection.
Speaker 1: It was like it was a lot of money. Go
Speaker 1: to land Quota, I hang out Paradise. You know, the
Speaker 1: whole thing. You must have been four at the time,
Speaker 1: four or five. So I go to land Quote. I
Speaker 1: come back. I'm helping the original land Quarte. I've been
Speaker 1: to the one that called down five times times, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, six.
Speaker 1: I think the origion was on eight single. So I
Speaker 1: come back. I'm helping my man break down his set.
Speaker 1: And at the time, and you'll remember this, as a DJ,
Speaker 1: you had to create, not even crates. You had them
Speaker 1: in this thing, a crown carry everything had a little
Speaker 1: car sounds. So we're breaking down. It's so it's like
Speaker 1: four or five o'clock, and it might have been four
Speaker 1: o'clock an they more and um, my man said something
Speaker 1: to me. I turned my head a hip hop and
Speaker 1: the and the amp breaks in my hand and he's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what the funk you did? I'm like, the fucking mean
Speaker 1: I did. And I looked and as soon as I
Speaker 1: looked to dude, crack him back to shoot me a
Speaker 1: second time. So I'm like, oh, spot, right to the
Speaker 1: training and I never balanced the projects again, and I
Speaker 1: realized that I was a beast like that at that moment.
Speaker 1: The fear and the adrenaline it manifested into something else.
Speaker 1: It manifested into the fact that I was a beast,
Speaker 1: like if somebody wanted to kill me, I want to
Speaker 1: get rid of you a little bit. You worked in
Speaker 1: Detroit Radio. Correct later though, I'm just bouncing around, So
Speaker 1: being that Detroit radio and Detroit related to Eminem when
Speaker 1: you watched eight miles, I don't bouncing around all over
Speaker 1: and man, because that's like, you know, you know what
Speaker 1: described in the first eight and you know, and this
Speaker 1: big of you know, his trick tricks your same position.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's my man. But we didn't know hip
Speaker 1: hop was acting like that in Detroit, Like we didn't
Speaker 1: know like that, we knew it like the hip hop
Speaker 1: was really like I'm t home back to like New
Speaker 1: York was really So did you look at eminem story
Speaker 1: and say, at first, is this like a little similarities.
Speaker 1: I hadn't met him. Now. I met him when he
Speaker 1: was signed to John Scheck his label Game Records, So
Speaker 1: I heard that receiver way before I was ever in
Speaker 1: Detroit infinite. So when I heard him, that's why he
Speaker 1: was signed with dre no way before, way before, and
Speaker 1: just before he was down the kids at Jersey Way
Speaker 1: and the first the infant he sounded like nas and
Speaker 1: jay Z, like a combination. I think. I hear people
Speaker 1: say he sounded a zy ish that too. Like he
Speaker 1: had influences. You have to understand his biggest influence. Marshall's
Speaker 1: biggest influence was kam Like that's his favorite m So
Speaker 1: it makes sense, right, Um, But when I heard that verse,
Speaker 1: even like you could call to Marshall, I like that.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? We don't know search space
Speaker 1: and cream, we don't know we got over here. That's
Speaker 1: not true. But you call the Marshall too. But one
Speaker 1: of the things when I went to Detroit, Um, I
Speaker 1: called Paul and I called, yeah, I see, Paul is
Speaker 1: your man. I was just watching some interviews and read
Speaker 1: searching up on you. When you thought about doing your book,
Speaker 1: one of the first people you call it was Paul. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: Paul was heavy and as a lawyer, rapping a lot
Speaker 1: of people in New York before he got put on
Speaker 1: correct the underground. Ye people, he was also but he
Speaker 1: was he was an m C and he was and
Speaker 1: he was raucous lawyer, you know, not a rockets, but
Speaker 1: a lawyer for a lot of those mcs. That was
Speaker 1: like a backpack era a lot of Like the guy
Speaker 1: who designed our logo Scam get out of he rapped
Speaker 1: him and that's how Scam has a song with him
Speaker 1: and them. Wow. Okay, well I didn't know that, my bad.
Speaker 1: I will use some more respect a bad so um.
Speaker 1: I called Paul and I said, look, I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: to Detroit. What do you think? And He's like, do it.
Speaker 1: He didn't even hesitate, He's like, do it. The city
Speaker 1: will show you so much love. And M really showed
Speaker 1: me a lot of love. Like because at the time
Speaker 1: him and the station I was working at, JAILB didn't
Speaker 1: see hatty. But when fifty came into Detroit during the unit, ever,
Speaker 1: he did a five day special with fifty. Like when
Speaker 1: M would drop something, he would come to me first,
Speaker 1: Like when M had the Benzino beef, he came to
Speaker 1: me first. Like he really, really really showed me a
Speaker 1: lot of love. And when we did the hip Hop
Speaker 1: Summit with with Russell Ye, people wearing this, I mean,
Speaker 1: thirteen thousand people to come here rappers not rap. To
Speaker 1: talk about economic independent Nori spent twenty five minutes talking
Speaker 1: about investments and property, talking about long term investments and
Speaker 1: stocks and bonds and also protecting his royalties through his
Speaker 1: lawyer and through his management. And that was the two
Speaker 1: most important things for him, to make sure that he
Speaker 1: had proper when he was getting ready to start to
Speaker 1: invest right. So that's two thousand three. Eminem Ever, like
Speaker 1: is that Toime of Detroit hip hop summing the only time?
Speaker 1: And he was so like it was amazing, like to
Speaker 1: see Nasire, to see m to see Nori and you know,
Speaker 1: and the truth that matter, Russell Dougie fresh Um. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of people that around because you just
Speaker 1: gave me the all. No, no, no no, I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be plenty of alle problem. I hope you
Speaker 1: got your hops because I read somewhere that you had
Speaker 1: a choice between O C and Naas to sign. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was at the same time. No no, no, I
Speaker 1: signed both. No choice. Yeah, but it wasn't a choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do you sign the both, but at one point
Speaker 1: then you sign O C first. I did sign the
Speaker 1: first and he was on original black back to the
Speaker 1: Grilla grant. Yeah, there's a remix remixes no no, no no,
Speaker 1: so this is no so. O C was already signed
Speaker 1: the Searchlight. He had fudge pudge out. You know I
Speaker 1: loved that. That verse is one of the greatest verses.
Speaker 1: To me, two of the greatest verses in the early
Speaker 1: nineties is obviously, Live at the Bar became a fudge. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you something. Make sure what we could
Speaker 1: go back to our question Live of the barb who
Speaker 1: came out first? Yes, okay, continue story debating. He's debating,
Speaker 1: and I don't like to google. Sometimes. That got the
Speaker 1: guy right here. I'm gonna ask Google, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: So when I met Lunch and I met Po and
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I gotta sign oh, I gotta
Speaker 1: sign him ums confusion. Alright, I'm sorry organnae confusion. I'm
Speaker 1: talking like we forget. You gotta know we like people
Speaker 1: watch if somebody wants to Google. We got so I signed,
Speaker 1: I signed O C and then um. I was in
Speaker 1: the studio working on my solo album and Percy p
Speaker 1: to Rid Love oh Nas came into his studio with
Speaker 1: my man Rob Too, low Reef, Daddy Free and Stretch
Speaker 1: and they all came in and we were gonna do
Speaker 1: back to the Grill. Regardless. Back then, it really what's
Speaker 1: gonna happening regarded um and everybody did it. Oh not
Speaker 1: Cannelli was there too, sorry part of me, I got
Speaker 1: them left right, We're in the building, got the way
Speaker 1: Live at the Barbecure it already came out right a
Speaker 1: playoff of that, off of that song. No no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: no no. This is now when I'm doing my solo album.
Speaker 1: This is like three years later. But it's not because
Speaker 1: because Live at the Barbecure is back to the Grill again,
Speaker 1: because we know that's what it is. Not no No.
Speaker 1: We had a song on our Cactus album Kicking in
Speaker 1: the Grill, so that's that's what was on right. No, No,
Speaker 1: kick was Chubb Rock. That was my back to the
Speaker 1: girl from kicking in it because when we did shows,
Speaker 1: that was one of the biggest, like when we did
Speaker 1: Kick Him on the Grill on tour, Like everybody loved
Speaker 1: that record. So I was like, fucking I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: back to the Grill again, but I'm gonna have other
Speaker 1: people on it and read hot love tone was already
Speaker 1: my man like so he was in the lab anyway.
Speaker 1: He wanted me to manage him as an artist, not
Speaker 1: as when I was when I was when I was
Speaker 1: in the SUV P when I was a wild pitch
Speaker 1: and I brought oh, one of the records that was
Speaker 1: already there was Third Eye, and there's a record with
Speaker 1: Jess Jess West that we had called put your Boots on.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I was so fucking happy
Speaker 1: to be a wild pitch because I had O C,
Speaker 1: I had Jess West, I had cool Keith, I had
Speaker 1: large professor, and I was just about to put out
Speaker 1: it will matter like I was about to be the hottest.
Speaker 1: So it's like my mom, so we go. So we're
Speaker 1: doing back again. All those dudes come in. Na stays
Speaker 1: behind everybody. Agnostes tells me, he's like, yo, I'm about
Speaker 1: to sign my deal at Warner Brothers. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I can be on this single. I'm gonna rhyme anyway,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure I can be on it. Personal
Speaker 1: p and A ridd left. They also said they had
Speaker 1: deals they didn't know if they could be on it.
Speaker 1: Always down with me, so it was gonna happen. So
Speaker 1: Na stays behind, and when everybody leaves, Nas tells me, like,
Speaker 1: he got this deal he don't feel right about and
Speaker 1: he wanted me to take a look at it. And
Speaker 1: I said, I can't. It'll I can't like it's legally legally,
Speaker 1: I can't do it, I said, but if you sign
Speaker 1: the Searchlight, I can help you. He goes, what does
Speaker 1: that mean? I said, it's simple. It's a one page
Speaker 1: agreement signed a Searchlight production deal, production deal. I'll furnish
Speaker 1: the album, I said. I won't take any money, I
Speaker 1: won't take any advance. I'll make sure you get the
Speaker 1: best deal in the world. And then on your publishing,
Speaker 1: I won't take any publishing. Let's take a five percent
Speaker 1: admin fee, which means I'll help to publisher administer your
Speaker 1: publishing to make sure people don't use your ship in
Speaker 1: the wrong way. So you're taken care of and you'll
Speaker 1: keep all your ship. And he's the one page agreement.
Speaker 1: He goes, all right, I gotta think about it because
Speaker 1: he's seventeen years old, you know. So he's like so
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's never coming. He's not, like
Speaker 1: even I knew, like in ninety three is gonna be
Speaker 1: the greatest m C of R of all time? And
Speaker 1: you know this of a one verse off of one
Speaker 1: verse and that one verse one on credits at laugh
Speaker 1: at the barbecue. Let me put it this way. When
Speaker 1: I heard see Ann's first album, no not, I need you.
Speaker 1: I need you to hear this. I need you to
Speaker 1: hear it, need to get it. When I heard the
Speaker 1: war report and I got a call from the Levine
Speaker 1: to war, what I did it for free? I worked
Speaker 1: that records free. Give you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: the next so the next day, I'm in the studio
Speaker 1: working on back to the Grill again. Na shows up
Speaker 1: a jungle broblem. They throw four blunts on the table
Speaker 1: and he says, explain this to me. So I said,
Speaker 1: this is how it go this is how it's gonna work.
Speaker 1: This is how it goes down. I'm gonna shop your deal.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to you know those guys. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make sure that they do the right thing if
Speaker 1: that's what you want to beat. But if they don't faith.
Speaker 1: This is before faith. This is stretched on strong and
Speaker 1: Rob and reef at Big Beat who offered him to
Speaker 1: deal first, that's the deal. He felt funny about that
Speaker 1: Big Beat right to me right now, I'm not moving
Speaker 1: got because but who's that Big Beat At the time,
Speaker 1: just to understand that stretch, you said, stretch Stef Craig
Speaker 1: Cowmen was he had of big it was his labels.
Speaker 1: He's not an Atlantic, it's part of the Atlantic system,
Speaker 1: but he is. He's got his own imprint. He put
Speaker 1: out the double x posse. He was putting out the
Speaker 1: artifacts with Reef who had signed those groups, and they
Speaker 1: were going to sign NAS. So we we we just
Speaker 1: get to smoke in and chilling, and then he says,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a funk with you signs the paper.
Speaker 1: The next day I go to a Reef and Stretch
Speaker 1: and I said, guys, the deal you offered him is
Speaker 1: the same deal that I signed in It's not it's
Speaker 1: not a good deal. It's he's the greatest m C
Speaker 1: of all time. You know. You don't even need to
Speaker 1: hear anything else. Right, And Reef and Stretch fell some
Speaker 1: type of way about it, and I understand that they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: why you getting involved? And I said, look, he asked
Speaker 1: me for my help. When you guys left, he asked
Speaker 1: me for my help. I saw it. The deal. It's
Speaker 1: the same deal that I fucking signed to deaf Cham
Speaker 1: in eight which to this day in I've never seen
Speaker 1: a check, I've never seen a royalty statement, I've never
Speaker 1: seen publishing. I never got shipped from fucking left hand records,
Speaker 1: I mean deaf jam records, right. So I said, I
Speaker 1: can't let him sign this deal. Just tell just make
Speaker 1: the deal right. And they said, well, how do you
Speaker 1: make the deal right? I said, removed the publishing when
Speaker 1: if you want to sign his publishing, that's a separate deal.
Speaker 1: Bumped this up, bumped that up. I stayed there for
Speaker 1: about five hours because they were my man, that's my friends.
Speaker 1: And finally Craig Common through those guys, said we're not
Speaker 1: changing the deal. I went to Russell next move. I
Speaker 1: went to his apartment on four and broke. Russell says
Speaker 1: to me, he sounds like g Rapp and g rapped
Speaker 1: on selling no records. So I'm not interested. Gone. I
Speaker 1: went to Columbia and I went to Faith. Faith didn't
Speaker 1: let me leave. He signed an amazing deal. And then
Speaker 1: once I left that deal, I went to Zamba Publishing
Speaker 1: because I had a great relationship with Richard Blackstone who
Speaker 1: was the head. And Zomba is just correct me from wrong,
Speaker 1: isn't that drive right? So job is the record labels.
Speaker 1: So I went up to them and they said, how
Speaker 1: many songs are you gonna have on the album? I said,
Speaker 1: probably twelve, right, He said, well, you know he's only
Speaker 1: get paid on ten. I said, okay, fine, But they
Speaker 1: gave me a check for Naza. I went to forty
Speaker 1: side because one thing Nah said to me. I said,
Speaker 1: what do you want? He said, all I want is
Speaker 1: to get my mother out the projects. He said, if
Speaker 1: you can help me get my mother out the projects,
Speaker 1: we could. I went to see him with two checks,
Speaker 1: with three hundred thousand. I said, move him about the projects.
Speaker 1: And Amatic was was born from that day. But it
Speaker 1: was like after the end, one more noise made the
Speaker 1: library of converts. I'll tell all right, So now you
Speaker 1: get the chat, right, you guys get the chat all right? Now,
Speaker 1: how does the actual making of ill Matic start? Because
Speaker 1: when we google you, they credit you for a second producer.
Speaker 1: It was written correct, all right, So let's just stay
Speaker 1: on ill mad. So it was really simple. My my
Speaker 1: role was really simple, make everything easy for naz all I.
Speaker 1: Obviously I could not help him make a record, like
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous, right, It's like a blind man helping Picassa.
Speaker 1: It wasn't gonna happen. So all I know, I could
Speaker 1: do really is and I like it. I'm still at
Speaker 1: MC don't get it up. So my job was simple.
Speaker 1: Whatever the producers made, I made sure that the samples
Speaker 1: were cleared period. Okay, search, I just want to stop
Speaker 1: you for one second, because you know, when I say
Speaker 1: you know, I said you know a lot of times
Speaker 1: I say you know. Farrell came to me and I
Speaker 1: just knew this guy was going to be the next
Speaker 1: next guy. I just knew it. And it's easy for
Speaker 1: me to say, but you gotta. I want you to
Speaker 1: really break it down for people that who who will
Speaker 1: never actually vision visualize the actual time era because Russell
Speaker 1: said something to you that's very vital to this conversation. Okay,
Speaker 1: is at that time lyrics or you were the dopest guy,
Speaker 1: but you might not necessarily be the richest guy. So
Speaker 1: how does this process start of this illmatic and and
Speaker 1: and what role was playing that? So one thing I
Speaker 1: told young artists all the time is that the most
Speaker 1: important part of the journey when you sign a contract
Speaker 1: is in the advance, how many points you get from
Speaker 1: your record. NAS's first album, he had the same points
Speaker 1: as Billy Joel, and Billy Joel had been an artist
Speaker 1: for twenty years. Because I wanted to make sure that
Speaker 1: he was protected. I also made sure that the recording
Speaker 1: budget was really low so he wouldn't have any recoupment
Speaker 1: recoup right, But I also for people who don't know
Speaker 1: what that meaning, he wouldn't owe a lot before his
Speaker 1: money off the album, I have to recoup everything spent
Speaker 1: on that. And he said it was important for them
Speaker 1: for you to get all the samples cleared. People still
Speaker 1: caring a lot of samples, which was ruining their careers
Speaker 1: as well. Why I've never seen a check from a
Speaker 1: third base record because back then when they you sample,
Speaker 1: they would take a hundred percent and you're publishing. They
Speaker 1: didn't care if he was even paying them or was
Speaker 1: it like that. Well, if you didn't clear it, they
Speaker 1: could do whatever they want when they come back in court.
Speaker 1: That's what they're doing now. That's what these young motherfucker's
Speaker 1: is doing now, like they just sailing ship, getting court
Speaker 1: and say just take the ship. But back then they
Speaker 1: were at least trying to take Well, we tried, we tried,
Speaker 1: but with with us it was different. With us, it
Speaker 1: was and when I say us was a team, it
Speaker 1: was my man's sake. Ak Mark Pearson, I gotta give
Speaker 1: him his flowers because I don't think he gets enough recognition.
Speaker 1: He was my GM at Searchlight. I mean so like
Speaker 1: Mark ran day to day. So Rights was never signed
Speaker 1: to Wow Pitch. It was search Light he was running.
Speaker 1: He was signed to Searchlight Columbia, but for all intended
Speaker 1: purpose it was Columbia. We were just the production company.
Speaker 1: So if you see the first print, it says executive
Speaker 1: producer Faith Newman MC search There's a little Searchlight production
Speaker 1: logo on the bottom, but it wasn't our label. So
Speaker 1: I want to make sure all the samples were cleared.
Speaker 1: So anytime Primo did a record, anytime any of the
Speaker 1: other producers did a record, I said, give me all
Speaker 1: the sample Clarence Information right, cleared, all the samples, got
Speaker 1: it all done, all under budget. Everything was done. When
Speaker 1: the album came out April, that first week we did
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty five thousand albums. Week one. Nas
Speaker 1: was a millionaire week one. He's never he's never had
Speaker 1: an unrecouped week in his fucking career ever. Ever. Now,
Speaker 1: the other side of that, the unfortunate side, is O
Speaker 1: C which is a story I've never told That's why
Speaker 1: I actually, that's like it was like O C and NAS.
Speaker 1: It was almost like some would argue that even at
Speaker 1: one point O C was the go to god. That's
Speaker 1: why I actually it felt like you sign O C first,
Speaker 1: but you you had no no, no, I did sign
Speaker 1: O C first. Can I got him his deal when
Speaker 1: I went to Wild Pitch. Okay, so now let's take
Speaker 1: it from so with O SE when we signed those
Speaker 1: see the Wild Pitch we had Wild Pitcher was going
Speaker 1: through e M. I right, I was no longer gonna
Speaker 1: make records with Third Base. I'd already put out my indie,
Speaker 1: my independent record and not solo record, sorry, solo record
Speaker 1: with Death Champ. My wife and I we're gonna have
Speaker 1: our first child. A third Base is on CBS, right,
Speaker 1: it was on Def Champ, Sony, Def Jam, CBS whatever.
Speaker 1: It was, Death Champ. So I did my solo record.
Speaker 1: It did, it did okay. We did about four hundred
Speaker 1: thousand copies. We had two number one records. It was okay,
Speaker 1: It wasn't terrible. It was okay. Um, but I took
Speaker 1: a lot of money off the table on that deal
Speaker 1: because I never got shipped from Russell before, so I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I kicked off right. So when
Speaker 1: I made the decision to go to Wild Pitch, I said,
Speaker 1: I gotta bring Old with me. So my deal with
Speaker 1: Wild Pitch was I'm gonna have Oh with me and
Speaker 1: we're gonna make his first album OH with With Nas,
Speaker 1: Nas knew what he wanted, he did what he did,
Speaker 1: and it was done. There was some you know, like
Speaker 1: there was some really cool moments during that time, like
Speaker 1: me driving him to Mount Vernon forty times to go
Speaker 1: get a hundred tracks from Pete and they finally settled
Speaker 1: on that. But for the most part, like with Cute
Speaker 1: Cute Tip, it was one and done. Primo was you know,
Speaker 1: it was really just simple. It was simple Elios. It
Speaker 1: was in his backyard. Like whatever they did, they did,
Speaker 1: you know, it was all of that. And it was
Speaker 1: easy with Old s O. See would bring me track
Speaker 1: after track after track, and I'd be like, nope, nope,
Speaker 1: because for me, as a guy who loves hip hop
Speaker 1: and had the real privilege, like and it's I say
Speaker 1: it as a privilege like I was the Forest Gump
Speaker 1: of hip hop at one point, like anything that ever
Speaker 1: happened from like nineteen five to whatever. I was there.
Speaker 1: I was there when Scotlar Rock died. I was there
Speaker 1: when k R. S And Milly Mel battled in the
Speaker 1: land Quarter. I was. I mean, I was there at
Speaker 1: every juncture of I was there when Public Enemy got
Speaker 1: booed off the stage of land Quarter in a year
Speaker 1: later came back with Rebel out of pause, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I was. I was there, Like I was, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, yeah, yeah, I was. You know,
Speaker 1: I was there. Um. I was there when g Rap
Speaker 1: told me there was a kid in in in left
Speaker 1: rack a k I Rap him and his man we're
Speaker 1: coming together with a group. I was there because he
Speaker 1: lived around the corner and had an artist named white Boy.
Speaker 1: So I was just the farest gump of hip hop.
Speaker 1: I was everywhere right so with Oh, he'd make a
Speaker 1: song after song after song, and I say, no, we're
Speaker 1: not ready. It's not ready. You're not ready, It's not ready.
Speaker 1: And it got to a point when we almost, like
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, we would almost get two fisticuffs
Speaker 1: on the roof of Wild Pitch, where I thought every time,
Speaker 1: like I might get thrown off the roof or he
Speaker 1: might get thrown off the roof like but I said, please,
Speaker 1: I said, oh, just trust me, trust me. When you
Speaker 1: make the right record, we'll know and everything else will happen.
Speaker 1: Please believe me. I'm in my office. Oh comes in.
Speaker 1: He's dead silent, and he pushes me out of the
Speaker 1: way from and I'm like, oh, here we go, And
Speaker 1: I said oh, and he said and he pressed a
Speaker 1: dat player and he put in at that time, hilarious
Speaker 1: is hard car? And my hands have grown like yo,
Speaker 1: And I went, I lost, and in my office went,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what's going there? I mean? And we
Speaker 1: hugged and he said one, We're done. And two weeks
Speaker 1: later Word Life was done. Two weeks everything came with
Speaker 1: no main topic, everything everything. What year was that record?
Speaker 1: When Yo, let me tell you something. I don't know
Speaker 1: where I'm at in the world, but to have his
Speaker 1: hip hop bro. When that I got a call from
Speaker 1: Flex at the tunnel. I'm in bed with my wife
Speaker 1: and my newborn. If you look at the O C
Speaker 1: album Word Life, on the bottom left corner, there's a
Speaker 1: baby in a in a cat in a bastonet with
Speaker 1: light shining on it. That's my daughter. It's my oldest daughter.
Speaker 1: I get a call at midnight. It's Flex from the
Speaker 1: ton on come now, and my wife's like, you ain't
Speaker 1: going nowhere. I'm like, Flex just called me to the tunnel.
Speaker 1: I'm gone. Like I said, I love you, honey. You
Speaker 1: and I will we will work on our relationship. But
Speaker 1: I and I've boogied. I mean I boogied to the tunnel.
Speaker 1: And from my house to the tunnel it was like
Speaker 1: twenty three minutes. I got them seventeen. By the grace
Speaker 1: of the most high. There was parking right on the block.
Speaker 1: I screwed up. I cut through the line. Jessica lets
Speaker 1: me through. I get to the DJ booth, gives me
Speaker 1: a hug, he goes watch whatever he was playing, took
Speaker 1: off and the whole crowd. There are times and Davey
Speaker 1: Chris May Rest in Peace, grabs me. He goes, I
Speaker 1: need to manage Josie. Right at that time, there was this,
Speaker 1: this was the parallel. There was baby Chris May Rest
Speaker 1: in Peace and he had violator. So yeah, defin it
Speaker 1: was Puff with Big and Craig and it was me
Speaker 1: with Nz and O C. And that was that was
Speaker 1: the That was the trifector in New York. That was
Speaker 1: the trilogy Chris had. Chris had violator, so he had
Speaker 1: he had bust up and he had you know, so scenario,
Speaker 1: he had tribed, he had you know basically basically, but
Speaker 1: he was and he was the go to manager. Puff
Speaker 1: was the go to producer, and I was a go
Speaker 1: to executive production company. And that's what we were, right,
Speaker 1: and that's how we kind of had this thing. The
Speaker 1: problem was I had oh sign to the wrong label.
Speaker 1: And the other problem was I was a twenty four
Speaker 1: year old who didn't know shit about being an executive.
Speaker 1: And while Chris had Leore and Russell and James Cruz
Speaker 1: and Puff had Andre Horrell and this one now one,
Speaker 1: I had nobody, And I was making decisions, making grown
Speaker 1: man decisions as a fucking child, because I'm just happy.
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be making music. I'm just happy
Speaker 1: being able to feed my family and just being able
Speaker 1: to do what I love. Like I don't know what
Speaker 1: the funk I'm doing right, But I know radio, right,
Speaker 1: so I know that part and I and I and
Speaker 1: I know music, but everything else I didn't know anything.
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything, and that's how I kind of
Speaker 1: that's that's where this fell and NASA's deal was I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna do a long term deal with NASA. Wasn't
Speaker 1: set like that, and I didn't want me to do
Speaker 1: a long term It was get him right, do it
Speaker 1: was written. I didn't want to have my name on
Speaker 1: it was written, but I took care of all the
Speaker 1: business and that was it right. So that was that,
Speaker 1: and then Wild Pitch folded. And as soon as it folded,
Speaker 1: I met Mark Echo and I started building Echo Unlimited
Speaker 1: with more part of the beginning of the of the
Speaker 1: clothing line as well. I did all the marketing and
Speaker 1: promotion for Echo Unlimited at the beginning. When I met Mark,
Speaker 1: Mark was doing shirts on away and it was ill Bill,
Speaker 1: my man who we later did not fiction together, who
Speaker 1: said to me, you know, there's this dude. He did
Speaker 1: the shirts. You should check them out. He needs help.
Speaker 1: It's that Go Unlimited. So we went from ninety five
Speaker 1: doing I don't know, a couple of hundred thousand a
Speaker 1: year to when I left, we were at nine fifty
Speaker 1: seven million a year. You know how it turned into
Speaker 1: complex media and yeah, and and and I was so
Speaker 1: thankful that Mark allowed me to see that, like to
Speaker 1: watch that he let me watch Complex grow. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: dear friends with Richard Sinello and all the guys up there. Um.
Speaker 1: I even got a little clock made out of me
Speaker 1: and we when we did the Madden two thousand on
Speaker 1: the on the mat, the Echo team on on that team,
Speaker 1: so on the team. So yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Um so it's like you know, so I was one
Speaker 1: of these guys that I was fortunate enough that I
Speaker 1: was everywhere and I had the history of radio because
Speaker 1: when we were coming up, we were basically told, look,
Speaker 1: if you some fucking white boys that are getting on
Speaker 1: black radio, you better know every black program director forward
Speaker 1: and backwards right because they weren't playing hip hop during
Speaker 1: the day, not even on on Kiss nothing. So I
Speaker 1: had to learn all of that. I had to learn
Speaker 1: who these people were, and I learned them, and now
Speaker 1: he did I learned them, but I appreciated them. So
Speaker 1: the first radio station even't went to to pitch my
Speaker 1: record step into the AM was Helen Little at d
Speaker 1: A S. And Wes Johnson at the time was the head.
Speaker 1: So you had to work your own records. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: how to work I mean work them. So I'm about
Speaker 1: to break it down. So when we went to see
Speaker 1: Helen Little at d A S and Philly Shout out
Speaker 1: to Philly Um. She was the first woman in urban
Speaker 1: radio to run a group. D A S was like
Speaker 1: a group. And when I went in there, I started
Speaker 1: telling her about her history, started telling her how I
Speaker 1: knew how she came up. I knew what she did
Speaker 1: because I went to the New York Public Library and studied.
Speaker 1: There's no fucking Google. Fucking Google. You know, Google was
Speaker 1: something of baby man. That was a noise of baby man.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. There was no fucking Internet.
Speaker 1: I mean it was me going to the but I
Speaker 1: knew them about it. And my favorite story is, so
Speaker 1: we I went in there for forty five minutes. When
Speaker 1: I left, West Wind in there five minutes, comes out
Speaker 1: and this is like a corporate urban station, and West
Speaker 1: West Johnson a rest in peace was He was like
Speaker 1: a mixture between Jim Brown and Don King. He like,
Speaker 1: there's six seven and he goes, let me, I don't
Speaker 1: want to see you in the fucking back of the
Speaker 1: station right now. And I'm sure I'm fucking six one
Speaker 1: two fifteen. He's fucking six six three something, And he
Speaker 1: says to me, meet me by the dumpsters. You know
Speaker 1: what that means? And I just said, and he pulls
Speaker 1: me in there and he goes, I want to know
Speaker 1: everything you just said to Helen Little. I want to
Speaker 1: know every fucking thing you just said. So my voice
Speaker 1: goes up about ten octaves and I run down everything.
Speaker 1: He goes. He goes, let me tell you something, and
Speaker 1: tell you something, a little fucking white boy, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. I got public Enemy, I got LLL
Speaker 1: cool J, I got Slick Rick. You know what the
Speaker 1: funk you just did to me? He was, I gotta
Speaker 1: go back there. Tell them black artists, you're the first
Speaker 1: fucking rapper on def jam and have full time rotation
Speaker 1: on fucking d as. Whatever the funk you just did
Speaker 1: in there, you're gonna do it at every other station
Speaker 1: we go. We're going to Philly, We're going to Baltimore
Speaker 1: next uh. And I had to learn all those dudes,
Speaker 1: and he benefited. But I mean, man, I didn't know
Speaker 1: there's a rumor or not. But you wrote on Baby Kids,
Speaker 1: I wrote. I wrote five four songs on Baby Kids.
Speaker 1: The soundtrack I wrote, I wrote, I wrote the Jefferson song.
Speaker 1: I wrote the Money song. Yeah, I wrote all of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wrote all of that. So you got to meet
Speaker 1: um the late grade. No No, I actually was connected
Speaker 1: to a friend of mine, Bill Stephanie. He was executive
Speaker 1: producer of the music soundtrack, and he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: need you to write How was that cool? You know
Speaker 1: baby Kids one of my favorite car No. But but
Speaker 1: that was also the funny thing was when I was
Speaker 1: in the middle of my kind of transition out of
Speaker 1: out of hip hop, people like Barry Weiss, you know,
Speaker 1: they would say, Hey, if you're ever done rapping, come
Speaker 1: work for my promotion department. Do promo. So when I
Speaker 1: went back to Deaf Jam, I wasn't Deaf Jam as
Speaker 1: an artist. I went there as running the HR department,
Speaker 1: and when I left there, I started working records and
Speaker 1: when the first records I worked was Nori's Records, but
Speaker 1: also search like promotion. I think of every hip hop
Speaker 1: record that it came out of a label we worked.
Speaker 1: So now let me fast forward. You work with as
Speaker 1: you do this as a j actually have this moment
Speaker 1: against each other, and Jay uses you as a punchline.
Speaker 1: He says, I know who I pay God like publishing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, but you weren't getting paid dog, you were
Speaker 1: getting fucked. Then I know who I paid dogs Search Publishing.
Speaker 1: So the story, the true story about that, it's really crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. It's a great story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm the head of hr at Deaf Jam and uh,
Speaker 1: they're about to put out that reasonable is doubt and
Speaker 1: Kareem I think it was Kareem. It was either Kareem
Speaker 1: Dame and Jay or Dame and j come to my
Speaker 1: office and said, hey, you gotta clear this sample, this
Speaker 1: dead president sample take care of us. I said, okay,
Speaker 1: no problem, give me, but just know we're gonna have
Speaker 1: the sending a record on the publishing. He was like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, that was it. He gave me a
Speaker 1: check for I delivered it to Zombo. But if you
Speaker 1: look at the loner notes on dead Presidents, nas is
Speaker 1: one of the publishers. So I said, yeah, that line
Speaker 1: can live as much as it lives. But Jay don't
Speaker 1: own a piece of Naz's catalog. But Nazzos and piece
Speaker 1: of Jay's catalog. And that's a fact. Though we didn't
Speaker 1: know that. We didn't because we thought like when he
Speaker 1: said that stas like publishing, that um that he was
Speaker 1: meaning that that nasn't have none of his public no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. I have a yeah, I have a
Speaker 1: five percent admin fee, which I'm like to this day
Speaker 1: on those two albums. I just make sure like things
Speaker 1: like if NAS wants to do it, I just signed off.
Speaker 1: I said, like for me, like, when I think about
Speaker 1: being a production company, right, I think there's two trains.
Speaker 1: I thought. Train one is the artists ain't ship and
Speaker 1: the production company makes all the money. Right. What a
Speaker 1: second train is the artist saint ship and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: figure out how to jerk the artist. That's most of
Speaker 1: how hip hop is running their production companies. I had
Speaker 1: a third training train of thought, which was I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna be the jew to take take advantage of a
Speaker 1: black man, so I don't need to get wealthy off No,
Speaker 1: and I don't. My checks are very humble, and I'm
Speaker 1: okay with that because they're gonna go for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. You know, when you think about streaming today, right,
Speaker 1: and you think about all Mattic, Allmatic stremes four hundred
Speaker 1: million a year to this day, I get my fair share.
Speaker 1: I don't get more than I deserve. I don't get
Speaker 1: less than I deserve. I get exactly what the contract says,
Speaker 1: in fact, and I'll keep it a buck with all
Speaker 1: of y'all. Two thousand seven, I get a letter from Sony.
Speaker 1: They say, oh, we we overpaid you, so you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be getting a check. And my lawyer goes, O,
Speaker 1: we're gonna sue and us. We're not gonna let it rock.
Speaker 1: We'll work eventually. We're really cool. And we did took
Speaker 1: like ten years because I don't give a fuck. What
Speaker 1: was the basis of them saying they overpaid. They said
Speaker 1: that the Artists royalty that I got paid was congruent
Speaker 1: with what NAS was supposed to get paid. So I
Speaker 1: essentially got NAS royalties, but NAS didn't. It wasn't minus
Speaker 1: roll off nazis ship. They basically paid like it was
Speaker 1: like double dipping. So they paid me exactly what they're
Speaker 1: paying NAZ. But it wasn't accurate either, because the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is NAS was that like X amount
Speaker 1: of points and I was at three. So that was
Speaker 1: the only correction we told them, And after they made
Speaker 1: that correction, they fixed it. We kept it moving. It
Speaker 1: was done when and done, but it took like ten years.
Speaker 1: For me to ever see another check and again, I'm
Speaker 1: okay with that because to me, the ability to earn
Speaker 1: isn't about one thing, right I learned a long time ago.
Speaker 1: It's not the strong who survives. It's a flexible right.
Speaker 1: So I would much rather fight Mike Tyson and a
Speaker 1: yogi because Yogi's gonna bend me up in fucking ways
Speaker 1: that I'm never gonna get fixed again. At least with Mike.
Speaker 1: I know when it's coming, I see the punch coming.
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna get Yogi yoga like a yoga person,
Speaker 1: the guy who's like con bending, because if he like
Speaker 1: he fucking grabs you like Yogi grabbs you, bro, and
Speaker 1: he starts he knows how to bend up yo, you
Speaker 1: might get fucked up for life. At least if Mike
Speaker 1: hits you, you won't be in pain. Let's be real clear.
Speaker 1: You want to be in pain, but you're going to
Speaker 1: be able to recover. But if if a Yogi bend
Speaker 1: you in a way, your body might never recover. So
Speaker 1: I say, I would much rather be flexible. I much
Speaker 1: I much rather be like water than be like a
Speaker 1: fucking wall. But did you receive like like slack because
Speaker 1: of that, because a lot of people, like I said,
Speaker 1: a lot of people took it as search as publishing. No,
Speaker 1: in fact, it was the exact opposite. Whenever that fucking
Speaker 1: verse came on in the club. But I would get loved,
Speaker 1: like because my name got mentioned. People didn't even realize
Speaker 1: what it meant. They were like, oh ship, not Jay
Speaker 1: mentioned Search. That's crazy. So you're sure he never got
Speaker 1: nothing bad, like even from like naas campus. It's all
Speaker 1: love all the time, you know, even like if you
Speaker 1: think about all the times NASA has mentioned me on
Speaker 1: his records, there's like seven records where he mentioned like
Speaker 1: our friendship or how I did him right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he's never once said anything bad
Speaker 1: about me because he has no reason because I treated
Speaker 1: him like a grown ass man. I treated him like
Speaker 1: a professional, and I treated his music like a business,
Speaker 1: so that he would never have to worry, and his
Speaker 1: daughter would never have to worry. His daughter and my
Speaker 1: daughter same age, they were born a month apart. His
Speaker 1: daughter and my daughter never have to worry. God dare
Speaker 1: to make some noise for that. So did you ever
Speaker 1: repair the beef with mc hammer? He gave him the
Speaker 1: gas face. Yeah, no, no, we never I've never listened
Speaker 1: to the gas face again. And he's his might have
Speaker 1: been the harshest gas face. He gave out something, he
Speaker 1: put out a hit on you or something. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I worry And who the hell is l worry? Calling
Speaker 1: that was legal? Why does everywhere? Oh not? Because we
Speaker 1: just wanted to make We wanted to make fun of.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. So I've been in recovery now
Speaker 1: to be ten yars, right, So one of the things
Speaker 1: that I'm coming up to in nine years of recovery
Speaker 1: is making amends. And you know, you gotta make amends
Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, can I see from the outside looking in?
Speaker 1: But then I want you to continue to make your amends.
Speaker 1: But I looked at it again today and I no,
Speaker 1: one just said this earlier, but I want to just
Speaker 1: be ere that ry. I think his might have been
Speaker 1: the most harsh gas space because you pay his glasses
Speaker 1: and the AMMA yeah thing. Then you had a guy
Speaker 1: walked through that that was the two big ms. See
Speaker 1: that was his COVID. But no, but the point is, okay,
Speaker 1: what happened, Well, the point was that he disc roun
Speaker 1: DMC and and for me, being a queen's kid and
Speaker 1: having jam Master Jay May Rest in Peace put me
Speaker 1: in the game. It was unforgivable, Like it was unforgivable,
Speaker 1: but it was an MC thing. It wasn't a person
Speaker 1: a clue. What do we think about? How but that's
Speaker 1: not like but that's not that's not put the hit
Speaker 1: out on us. He put Yeah, he put the head
Speaker 1: out on it. Put the hit out on us. Because
Speaker 1: my old partner on the Cactus record, which was a
Speaker 1: song on the album Hamma's Record, was plea turned his
Speaker 1: mother outright. My my old rom and partner said that
Speaker 1: the Cactus our album, the Cactus turned Hammer's mother out right.
Speaker 1: But that and let's be real clear about two things.
Speaker 1: Where will lyricists first and always, that was a dope
Speaker 1: fucking line. Period. If I thought for one second, because
Speaker 1: I love my mother, if I thought for one second
Speaker 1: that someone would have misinterpreted that, I would have told
Speaker 1: that dude to take the line off the record. Look,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm not the Cactus turned
Speaker 1: his mother out, but I didn't say it. And I
Speaker 1: but again, I'm because I'm the one who's in the front,
Speaker 1: because I'm the one I took the heat. And because
Speaker 1: it was it was in response to the run DMC.
Speaker 1: This you're saying he it was not. And also because
Speaker 1: his album was trash, right, like we didn't like his album.
Speaker 1: We were from New York trash you guys a lot
Speaker 1: of the country everywhere. And again for retrospect, looking at
Speaker 1: him for now, his career is is a pretty incredible career.
Speaker 1: The where we were was that there was New York
Speaker 1: and there was nothing else that once you left the
Speaker 1: try state talking about this all the time, trying to
Speaker 1: tell you and when you're a kid from Queens from
Speaker 1: Far Rock who has never been on a plane before,
Speaker 1: who's never been outside the state before, to have somebody
Speaker 1: come from someplace else that you don't even know about,
Speaker 1: and this run DMC. And for me personally, Jay heard
Speaker 1: me Ron, so we had a reason this front them.
Speaker 1: I think it's just ahead go aheads on helping this
Speaker 1: guy out so much in our argument. But let me
Speaker 1: finished and mind you him, that's the Bay Area. It's
Speaker 1: no joke. Yeah, but you're saying at that time, like
Speaker 1: New York, for lack of a better term, looked at
Speaker 1: everybody else. Look, if you're not from New York. It's whack.
Speaker 1: That's the way the sentiment was put out there from
Speaker 1: New York at that time. N w A was different
Speaker 1: because n w A respected you know, the beats that
Speaker 1: Dre had on that album were heavily influenced by Third Base.
Speaker 1: In fact, when ice Cube said it on this show,
Speaker 1: when Ice Cube came to New York, he came to
Speaker 1: work with our old producer from the Cactus, because that
Speaker 1: ship slapped right. Even m C eight from Compton's Most
Speaker 1: Wanted on their biggest record one Time gaffled him up
Speaker 1: on the second verse. He said, they got pulled over
Speaker 1: bumping the Cactus. You know what I'm saying. So it
Speaker 1: was different. And also the message that first time finished.
Speaker 1: Their message was different because we were about the police,
Speaker 1: we were about the dope man, We were about that.
Speaker 1: We weren't about Drake saying some dropped science, we dropped English,
Speaker 1: we weren't about that. But we were about everything else,
Speaker 1: and they respected the production and Cube respected what we
Speaker 1: did right. So l it was different, and it's again
Speaker 1: it's Iced Tea. It's different. It was just cut different.
Speaker 1: The hip hop that Hammer was doing at the time
Speaker 1: was not indicative of what we thought was real hip hop,
Speaker 1: native tongues, n W A Queen Latifa, Eric being rock Kim.
Speaker 1: You know it was. It wasn't right. So if I
Speaker 1: would have thought it was reflection of like Vanilla Ice
Speaker 1: type of type of thing, well it was. It was him.
Speaker 1: I mean, Vanillized was worse than Hammer because at least
Speaker 1: at least Hammers black. But he came from an authentic place. Hammer, brother,
Speaker 1: you like it or not that subjective? No, no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not no, no, He's absolutely right. But the point
Speaker 1: was the music wasn't where we were in our hearts
Speaker 1: and in our minds. It wasn't where we were. And
Speaker 1: it pissed me off that I would listen to New
Speaker 1: York Radio and not Here Day Law and not here Tribe,
Speaker 1: but I'd hear mc hammer and Vanillias. It's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: That's why we made Popko's Weasel because it's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Over that I have a clash and we're like, I mean, no,
Speaker 1: I'm never meant to do. But the point is does
Speaker 1: not happen. It happens all the time, every every every
Speaker 1: fucking mass shooting in this country's white on white crime.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, why don't white Wrap. No, the Beast
Speaker 1: Boys never clashed. No, we did. We did we have.
Speaker 1: I'm so surprised. You don't know. It's not not me. No,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Come on, baby, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. No. So me and Mike d clashed,
Speaker 1: um early, early on before the Cactus album came out. Um.
Speaker 1: I actually talked about this in the BC Boy book. Um.
Speaker 1: We clashed because I went to Mike Dee's house and
Speaker 1: I asked him about the side. Yeah. This was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is on Barrow Street when h Russell moved on
Speaker 1: Barrow Street. So we went over to I went over
Speaker 1: to Mike's house and I said, you know, I need
Speaker 1: some help. Russell's you know, Sheldon our record. It's damn
Speaker 1: you have finished, you know. And they had already left
Speaker 1: to go to Capitol, and he was giving me great advice,
Speaker 1: like he was like, Yo, you gotta do this, you
Speaker 1: gotta make sure this, this and this. I was like, cool,
Speaker 1: he already starts this after no sleep to Brooklyness is
Speaker 1: already okay five yea solidified. And as I'm leaving the crib,
Speaker 1: he saw storming ship at me, like laughing, like sponge
Speaker 1: things and things. He's laughing. So I'm like, he's physically
Speaker 1: throwing ship. He's like he's like, he's like, he's like going,
Speaker 1: He's like later up, later, up, and I'm like whatever.
Speaker 1: But then later, like six months later, Spin Magazine did
Speaker 1: a piece on Poles Boutique and we had already dropped
Speaker 1: stepping today and the gas face was already a hip bubble,
Speaker 1: and they asked him, what do you think about third base?
Speaker 1: And Mike D said in this article, he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: search came to my house and he said some ship
Speaker 1: not threw ship at him. And I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 1: motherfucker is about to fucking get it. So then we
Speaker 1: went back in. We did sons a third Base on
Speaker 1: the first that's the first cut on the Cactus album,
Speaker 1: because we wanted to let it know him, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: where the motherfucker's like if you're gonna like white people
Speaker 1: in hip hop, like some motherfuckers that are from the block,
Speaker 1: like really like some d's out for you for real,
Speaker 1: like with Alcatraz for real. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because that's what that's what we called. That's what we
Speaker 1: called for Rockaway because it was only one way on
Speaker 1: and one way all right. So the impetus of that battle.
Speaker 1: That beef was that and since then we've we got
Speaker 1: cool like I'm a piece. But yeah, before he died,
Speaker 1: like I had him on my syndicated radio show, like
Speaker 1: me and Michael Cool and and you know, I did
Speaker 1: their book and you know it's all love. But at
Speaker 1: the time, we felt like we had to be like
Speaker 1: the Knights, like we had to be the white Knight
Speaker 1: of hip hop. We had to save the culture right
Speaker 1: because we felt like nobody's helping. You know what, I'm black,
Speaker 1: had to be a white guy. Black must have been
Speaker 1: a white guy that started all that. Make the gas
Speaker 1: face for it was a little white lies. So when
Speaker 1: we did Pop Goos the Weasel, it was simple philosophy
Speaker 1: for us. We're gonna take a huge fucking pop record,
Speaker 1: fucking sledge hammer, and we're gonna fucking dis pop radio
Speaker 1: and we're gonna diss everything they do. So if the
Speaker 1: record blows up and we go to pop radio, we
Speaker 1: can go in there and be like, yeah, why aren't
Speaker 1: you playing this? Why aren't you playing that? Why while
Speaker 1: we're here, you're gonna play this, this, this and this
Speaker 1: and this and this and this and this. It didn't work.
Speaker 1: We just became what we didn't want to be. And
Speaker 1: for me, my whole career was performing in front of
Speaker 1: black people, And within six months I got white guys
Speaker 1: stage driving off my fucking stage. Like I was, like,
Speaker 1: the fun is this? Like I don't even understand none
Speaker 1: of this, Like I don't want to stand what's going on?
Speaker 1: Like what what kind of fucking bizarro world did I
Speaker 1: just walk into? Right? Um? But for me, it's always
Speaker 1: been preserving black culture, and it's also been about representing
Speaker 1: protecting artists. You know, it's always been there, you know,
Speaker 1: even you know, and I'm gonna pivot up, but even
Speaker 1: with like Timeless, with our podcast company, like we just
Speaker 1: did a whole series on Big Daddy kne that's coming out.
Speaker 1: Kane owns all that content. I don't own it. I
Speaker 1: licensed it to him for fifteen years. I paid him
Speaker 1: to do it, and we did it. In immersive sound design,
Speaker 1: I spent almost a year negotiating with w Atmost to
Speaker 1: understand the schematics of how the EarPods work, how headphones work,
Speaker 1: so we could do five point once around sound. So
Speaker 1: when you funk with our our podcast, you hear that ship,
Speaker 1: You hear fucking Kane in l G. You hear Kane
Speaker 1: on the block in Brooklyn, you hear when they're doing
Speaker 1: the karate kicks, watching the fucking Kung Fu movies on
Speaker 1: forty two, like I wanted his story, kane story to
Speaker 1: be more than the oratory, like I wanted you to
Speaker 1: be and understand the environment that he came from. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a new artist. I say new, I mean new, new, new,
Speaker 1: new artists that to fun well, maybe were not signed,
Speaker 1: but that you you listen to it and appreciate, enjoy.
Speaker 1: Right now, probably the biggest artist I funk with is
Speaker 1: this kid out of Feeling name O T the Real.
Speaker 1: I fucking loved this dude. He's a fucking monster. There's
Speaker 1: another kid out of Atlanta that I funk with, heavy
Speaker 1: year old kid named Surf put out three mixtapes called
Speaker 1: Bad Human, Badder Human, and Baddist Human. They put out
Speaker 1: a new EP calls the Standing Injury. That kid is
Speaker 1: fucking hard body. I love that lyrics, but also his
Speaker 1: understanding of who he is that one years old and
Speaker 1: his storytelling. Um I funk with him heavy. Um lyricism
Speaker 1: is dead. No, definitely not a funk with you know what?
Speaker 1: Who I just listened to and I love is Rob Markman.
Speaker 1: I listen, I listened to Boring the Right, and I
Speaker 1: just listened to his new album. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And like, you know what I'm saying. So there's like
Speaker 1: a lot of new artists that I funk with. I'm
Speaker 1: not you know what I'm saying, Like about raving journalists.
Speaker 1: Here a journalists turn rapper, and like, I'm not one
Speaker 1: of these dudes. I'll never be one of these dudes
Speaker 1: that get stuck in an arrow. You know, Nielsen just
Speaker 1: did a report that said of men and women over
Speaker 1: thirty stopped listening to new music only two and after thirty,
Speaker 1: you only go back to the artist that you love. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm not that dude. I'm just not that dude. You know.
Speaker 1: I love well no, because you're still immersed. But when
Speaker 1: you think about becoming thirty thirty two and you're not
Speaker 1: in the music business, what does that become? Right? It
Speaker 1: becomes responsibilities, it becomes jobs, it becomes family, becomes children,
Speaker 1: it becomes debt, it becomes you know, so you're not
Speaker 1: digging in the crates like you want to. You're not
Speaker 1: going to debt piff anymore. You're not going to SoundCloud.
Speaker 1: You're not going to band camp. You're taking your kids
Speaker 1: to fucking date camp. You know you're not You're not,
Speaker 1: You're not here. You talking about Clubhouse earlier. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: on Clubhouse. Yeah, I got the largest club in the
Speaker 1: fucking Clubhouse. We have UM it's called the New Money Moguls,
Speaker 1: and we have a meeting every Tuesday called Problem Solvers.
Speaker 1: It's with some of the greatest minds you've ever met.
Speaker 1: Leontine who is the only woman ever run Jordan Brand,
Speaker 1: Dante Simpson, who did East bat TV, who did um
Speaker 1: the Little Nasax for Roadblocks, and did Travis Scott. He
Speaker 1: did those two deals for Fortnite. He's on them. Mark
Speaker 1: Buyer's former GM of Motown, who handles the Marvin Gaya State,
Speaker 1: who handles all the consulting for Burner Boy. He's in
Speaker 1: there Aria right, twenty year veteran at Diagio, knows distribution
Speaker 1: backwards and forwards. So we have about five to six
Speaker 1: hundred people every week and we solve them. We problem
Speaker 1: solved what I'm tired of in Clubhouse. And I see
Speaker 1: this all the time. People want to talk but didn't
Speaker 1: want an expert but it's okay to be an expert,
Speaker 1: but be an expert at help, Like I break down
Speaker 1: my life to this point like this. In my twenties, thirties,
Speaker 1: my forties, and my fifties, all I do is learned.
Speaker 1: I continue to learn. My twenties, all I did was learned.
Speaker 1: I didn't earn. I didn't do anything else. I learned.
Speaker 1: I just studied, learned, study learned. Thirties, I learned, I earned,
Speaker 1: but I churned. If you was fucking whack, if you
Speaker 1: were not benefiting my life, you're fucking out of here.
Speaker 1: You'd get the Christmas card, and you get the Hanaker card,
Speaker 1: and you get the New Year's but you're done. Forties,
Speaker 1: I was learned, churn and earn. I made more money
Speaker 1: in my forties and I did my whole life. But
Speaker 1: now in my fifties, I churn. I learn I earn
Speaker 1: in our return. So problem solving is about you got
Speaker 1: a business, what's your business situation? Or this is your
Speaker 1: business situation. Oh well that person is right here, he's
Speaker 1: in this room, bring him up, bring him up, boom.
Speaker 1: So we do three things and problem solvers one is
Speaker 1: we connect you with people. Period. Oh you got a
Speaker 1: clothing company. You need distribution, here's my man. He got
Speaker 1: six fucking plants in China. Done. Oh you need Amazon,
Speaker 1: my man is an expert at Amazon. Done. Oh you
Speaker 1: need radio from motion, my man does this. Done. So
Speaker 1: that's one. Two. We check you out, We evaluate, and
Speaker 1: then we point out what you're doing wrong. Oh you
Speaker 1: got a problem with social media. Fix that. You've got
Speaker 1: a problem with this. Fix that for three. Damn. I
Speaker 1: like what you do. I like your move I like
Speaker 1: the way you're moving. We're gonna invest in you. Come
Speaker 1: with us after the meeting, and then we have a
Speaker 1: meeting and our advisory board comes together and we give
Speaker 1: you paper and we either become a partner with you
Speaker 1: short term, the term, or long term. And that's what
Speaker 1: we do on Clubhouse. Let me ask yourself serious something
Speaker 1: If and started this podcast once one, we said we
Speaker 1: wanted to interview legends. We wanted to interview people such
Speaker 1: as yourself have been in the game that you know
Speaker 1: sometimes you know when this is a young mad's game,
Speaker 1: so sometimes we get overlooked. That's one thing, but not
Speaker 1: only that. We wanted to uh show love and a
Speaker 1: maya to the people that came before us with this
Speaker 1: hip hop union. We really want to form a real
Speaker 1: hip hop union where a person has ten years of
Speaker 1: more put this game in. And maybe he didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: making jay Z status. He didn't make it to a
Speaker 1: like a sag like sag, But I feel that's the
Speaker 1: can I ask you a couple of questions if you
Speaker 1: don't mind problem, what's the purpose? In one sentence, what's
Speaker 1: the purpose we should take care of all? Because I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like a hip hop like you know,
Speaker 1: one thing about you, um, when I look at you
Speaker 1: and all honesty and respect, I see you before I
Speaker 1: see you as a as as a white person, I
Speaker 1: look at you as a hip hop person. And to me,
Speaker 1: hip hop is a race in itself. Fact, if I
Speaker 1: would have to pick first, I would say I'm hip
Speaker 1: hop first, and then I'm Black and Porto Rican, but
Speaker 1: hip hop because it's just and I feel like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that's like me that identify that. Now,
Speaker 1: if you came in this game and it's just like
Speaker 1: if you look at these old documentaries, you look at this.
Speaker 1: That's why I was so glad you cleared up the publisher,
Speaker 1: but you look at it was this this this image
Speaker 1: of these people taking advantage of these kids, just eating
Speaker 1: off of them for the rest of their life and
Speaker 1: them never being able Like I just seen um. I
Speaker 1: think O J the Juice Man say that he has
Speaker 1: to die ten years before he could even his kids
Speaker 1: could even he has to be dead ten years before
Speaker 1: his kids could even think about owning the rights to
Speaker 1: his first. Short term is creating an opportunity for artists
Speaker 1: both young and new, to establish some sort of funding
Speaker 1: where they are protected short and mid term and long term.
Speaker 1: So the process, if I'm hearing you correctly, for the second,
Speaker 1: I think you need to let me finish because the
Speaker 1: thing so we might have two different visions. I want
Speaker 1: to tell your thinking about it. This is you've being
Speaker 1: from for Rock Rock for people that know it's probably
Speaker 1: one of the hardest and shout out to another kid,
Speaker 1: Bobby J from Rockaway. That kid is a fucking monster,
Speaker 1: one of the hardest places in Queens. But the thing
Speaker 1: about that is most people that will make it for
Speaker 1: for Rock, most people that will get this opportunity, they're
Speaker 1: seeing a number in their face and they're not thinking
Speaker 1: about ConA on the lawyer, They're not thinking about corner
Speaker 1: on the manager. They're thinking about what you said, get
Speaker 1: them out of the projects like you like, But I
Speaker 1: lovingly refer to agement, right, and you know you got
Speaker 1: from you know, Queen's Bridge, the forty projects to all
Speaker 1: these different places that these people have, these these these
Speaker 1: talented and when they make it to a certain level, Uh,
Speaker 1: there's people who who who who who does take advantage?
Speaker 1: But look, let's remember why we started the conversation. As
Speaker 1: we started, because there was pioneers getting sick without having
Speaker 1: health insurance. Is That's not what it started the conversation.
Speaker 1: So what I was saying, like a SAG that gives
Speaker 1: access to insurance, to health insurance, maybe starts to create
Speaker 1: some kind of retirement fund. But but I say sad
Speaker 1: because SAG is as much as you put into it
Speaker 1: is what you kind of get out of it, you know,
Speaker 1: because everybody's gonna be You know what Rocky Buconos is
Speaker 1: doing at Hip Hop Museum with putting the top floor
Speaker 1: museum Cocoa rock giving them permanent they don't in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: So what Rocky is doing is similar. He's creating lower
Speaker 1: income housing for people there permanently, right, So it's that
Speaker 1: he's also creating housing for Theodore for Cocola rock so
Speaker 1: they never have to pay rent ever again for him
Speaker 1: and his families. Right, hit more about but then we
Speaker 1: need to have Rocky on him. But the point is,
Speaker 1: but the point is, didn't Wendy Day do that with
Speaker 1: rap coalition? Didn't you do that? And trying to take
Speaker 1: care of you know, cash money, trying to take care
Speaker 1: of right. But what happened, what happened to Wendy Day?
Speaker 1: What happened? She definitely got sidelined, right, not only get sigelined,
Speaker 1: she got silenced, and then the people that were supposed
Speaker 1: to take care of her didn't take care of her. Right.
Speaker 1: So a union only works if the people that are
Speaker 1: buying into the union continue to support the union. Right.
Speaker 1: So the reason why sag after works is, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can be in the union because your gat right, So
Speaker 1: it's counting for the masses. The other thing in the days,
Speaker 1: the unions and the a couple of my people that
Speaker 1: I know that's from you know a certain and here's
Speaker 1: the other part of it. But but the other part
Speaker 1: of it, that is the vital part of it, right,
Speaker 1: is that if you take an artist like jay Z
Speaker 1: and he said I'm charging motherfucker's for what they did
Speaker 1: to the Cold Crush. Right. That line is only as
Speaker 1: powerful as what he actually gives back to the Cold Crush, Right,
Speaker 1: So we're talking about Cold Crush. We're talking about right.
Speaker 1: So on my podcast, the end of episode one with Kane,
Speaker 1: Kane talks about the most influential m C in his life.
Speaker 1: You're gonna bug out because we've we've been talking about
Speaker 1: his Grandmaster Cast. Right. So in the end of the
Speaker 1: episode one of the podcasts, he starts to recite cas
Speaker 1: lyrics from a Park Champ that he heard on a
Speaker 1: fourth generation cassette tape, like it was written yesterday. So
Speaker 1: we interviewed Cast and I said, Cast, do you remember
Speaker 1: these lyrics? And he's like, ship, those are That's what
Speaker 1: I call classics. And he starts roming them and I
Speaker 1: leaned back and I said, Fuck, what if something happens
Speaker 1: to Cast the lyrics disappear. We gotta make a record.
Speaker 1: We gotta make a record now, and it's got to
Speaker 1: end the first episode. So we did, right, and we
Speaker 1: gave it to him, publishing royalties, everything, gave it to him.
Speaker 1: What the funk? He just said? So May nine n
Speaker 1: F t auction for that record. That's the union. That's
Speaker 1: the union. It doesn't have to be organized, it has
Speaker 1: to be curated and executed, and it doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be tend people in a room to argue about what
Speaker 1: you want and you want. It's just fucking do it.
Speaker 1: Fucking do it, problem solver. That's why I did problem solver.
Speaker 1: You and I can sit here. He can smoke weed
Speaker 1: all day, you could drink all day. We could fucking
Speaker 1: philosophize all day. Do it right. So here's my here's
Speaker 1: my small contribution to that. Right. It's one thing, but
Speaker 1: it's the first record has have owned for life. I
Speaker 1: don't own it. I gave it to him. And the
Speaker 1: record fucking is a bot that should ain't some corny
Speaker 1: fucking no. That ship is fucking a fucking smash play it.
Speaker 1: You turn that shut up. I'm talking to cat to
Speaker 1: come so to me. That's the answer. You know, I
Speaker 1: think we do a lot of philosophers and in hip hop, right,
Speaker 1: we grew up with the idea of how do we
Speaker 1: create something that is ideas into curation. Right, got a
Speaker 1: great director, Gil Green here already takes ideas. You know,
Speaker 1: Gil will take words and create amazing images on screens, right,
Speaker 1: and I love you brother, but it he can't do
Speaker 1: what he does if he sits for six months on
Speaker 1: a fucking idea, because then they're gonna move forward. It's curation, execution, direction, done,
Speaker 1: bang bang bang bang bang, Right, So do it, don't worry,
Speaker 1: don't think about it. Do it. How do you execute,
Speaker 1: how do you curate? How do you do it? Just
Speaker 1: do it? You just do it. So you're saying for
Speaker 1: each individual to do their part as best as they can,
Speaker 1: because obviously what we're talking about, why can't we have
Speaker 1: a SAG. Why can't we have a union? Why? Because
Speaker 1: hip hop can't have something that big, can't have something
Speaker 1: that organized. No, they can that. We don't have the
Speaker 1: resources or boxes. That's you know. Do you know when
Speaker 1: SAX started nine five? You know the first person in
Speaker 1: SAG was Charlie Chaplin. One of one. Yo. It starts
Speaker 1: with one. You don't need ten, you need one, right,
Speaker 1: so you're one, let's go and then that's three. That's good.
Speaker 1: But but you but everybody has to be in SAG
Speaker 1: here and the drink that to me is that, to
Speaker 1: me is the essence of what hip hop truly is right.
Speaker 1: When you think of the tenants of hip up right,
Speaker 1: it's not about drip, it's not about jewelry. It's not
Speaker 1: about that. It's peace, unity, love and having fun. When
Speaker 1: the culture of the when the culture started right and
Speaker 1: when when we have right now you got YouTube, But
Speaker 1: it's not about that. But the thing but that's not hip.
Speaker 1: But that's because it's not about that right now. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's not you miss No, it's okay, it's this.
Speaker 1: It's yes, the park jams were violent. Yes, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of challenges, Yes there was all of that. However,
Speaker 1: what we're seeing today is rap music and artists and
Speaker 1: social media that is separate. And if you just automatically
Speaker 1: lob it in and say, oh, that's hip hop, then
Speaker 1: you're not really focusing on the true tenants of what
Speaker 1: brought us ultimate table table right. And that's the that's
Speaker 1: the key of it. It's culture that it's not culture
Speaker 1: that is a reaction and and and a part of
Speaker 1: who they are and where they live and what they
Speaker 1: experience and who they one man ship agree with you,
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is the same way somebody
Speaker 1: in far Rockaway, Queens and what's the edge man, what
Speaker 1: is the projects project firm can film. There's the same
Speaker 1: person a kid and for a green your film, but
Speaker 1: it's the same place a person to Tacoma, Washington, Seattle,
Speaker 1: Washington can do film the same thing. Have a couple
Speaker 1: of people around them could actually blow up from their
Speaker 1: own house. There's no old there's no there's nobody helping
Speaker 1: this kid out, and this kid continue to make it.
Speaker 1: He's no way shaped for more fashion listening to us,
Speaker 1: and that's and that's eventually to wait, what part did
Speaker 1: you don't agree? Like I just fear I feel the
Speaker 1: disconnect happened. There was a disconnec that was that O G.
Speaker 1: I said this a long time. I said this plenty
Speaker 1: of times. Of course they're not gonna look up to
Speaker 1: ge anymore because what's their look up to? Right? But
Speaker 1: if a kid that's you do I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: I think you miss understood my point, Like how you
Speaker 1: just said to me. What I'm saying is right now,
Speaker 1: we used to have to go to a wild pitch.
Speaker 1: We have to go to uh that's industry. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a gamekeepers, that's different stuff. And they still have to
Speaker 1: do that if they want to get that they want to.
Speaker 1: They want to do that. Here's as much on SoundCloud.
Speaker 1: They don't got no A and all. And this is
Speaker 1: a record label that's out there. It's wanted to pay
Speaker 1: him and say, fuck it, we'll give you everything. Just
Speaker 1: keep doing. Then you doing because record was what the
Speaker 1: they're doing that. Then it was artist curation, there was
Speaker 1: artist development. You actually try to at least right now,
Speaker 1: they're like, these guys are just out there doing whatever
Speaker 1: and whatever's working. Let's just do it because their numbers,
Speaker 1: it's all they keep calling it. I'm a rhythmss right,
Speaker 1: But that's industry ship in versus we're talking either culture
Speaker 1: or industry or Because we talked about the White Rapper
Speaker 1: Show before you were on the White Rapper But when
Speaker 1: you did the White Rapper Show and the White Rappers came,
Speaker 1: you sat down, you had one drinking, he bounced, why doctor,
Speaker 1: this is a pump exactly right. So you didn't. So
Speaker 1: you didn't because we just did a White Rapper reunion
Speaker 1: on my podcast and they all asked me the same thing.
Speaker 1: They said, damn, did y'all hate us? And we're like, no,
Speaker 1: we didn't hate you. We we we appreciated where you
Speaker 1: were from But when Norriy was on the top of
Speaker 1: this building, he thought he was being fucking pompt He
Speaker 1: sat down and bounced out like he didn't have He
Speaker 1: didn't have an opinion about who you are, what you were.
Speaker 1: He could give two ships. He walked and he thought
Speaker 1: there was some candid cameras ship going on in that
Speaker 1: he's not him personally. He don't personally feel bad, right,
Speaker 1: And then he looked back at the show. I love
Speaker 1: the show because you see you see this thing. At
Speaker 1: first I was I was, I think of Sasha. I
Speaker 1: think it was you. There's a couple of y'alls, so
Speaker 1: you come hang out, you know, we had this white
Speaker 1: Rabbit show whatever. When I came in and it was
Speaker 1: just a couple of corny moments where I looked, I
Speaker 1: was like, this might be this might be how Ashton
Speaker 1: cut just set people up. They got searching them core you.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking like this, and I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I would just bounce when when I look back at
Speaker 1: the whole episode, in the whole season, in this tire ty,
Speaker 1: I wish you would have told me like you no, no.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't love I loved about Norri's episode was
Speaker 1: so I wasn't allowed to be do you know why
Speaker 1: because it would have been just about me and him
Speaker 1: for about three hours, but they wanted the engagement. It
Speaker 1: was the same thing with Joel Santana when they went
Speaker 1: to meet Joel's up and John Brown gave him the
Speaker 1: fucking bird card like he made a fake card and
Speaker 1: hand him this fucking cardboard card. Joel's did the same thing,
Speaker 1: sat down, hate his food, looked at his watch. There
Speaker 1: was no you know, because we wanted, you know, we
Speaker 1: wanted we wanted to see what was gonna happen. And
Speaker 1: he's organic. And now that you look back right and
Speaker 1: you see Nor's reaction because nor literally went all right,
Speaker 1: I mean he slept the table, was like I'm going
Speaker 1: straight to set out of here, right yo. And the
Speaker 1: best part about that was it was Nori be a
Speaker 1: Nori and I want to and I'm so glad I'm
Speaker 1: here with you because I really have to share this
Speaker 1: with you. When I took you on the road on promo,
Speaker 1: every single radio station said the same thing after you
Speaker 1: left the studio, is he interested in doing radio? Does
Speaker 1: he want to host a radio show? Every every single
Speaker 1: one because amazing on radio. I have never I don't
Speaker 1: like to use finite words. You'll you'll see that. I'm
Speaker 1: working on my wordplay. I don't like to use filing
Speaker 1: nite words, but I can use it in front of him.
Speaker 1: I'd never had an artist go on the road where
Speaker 1: program directors o ms gms were listening and then came
Speaker 1: back and said, is he interested in care? He liked
Speaker 1: because and it's why this transition to this and why
Speaker 1: you and I know you saw the vision. I remember
Speaker 1: when you called me and told me yo, and I
Speaker 1: didn't yo. I'll be I'll keep it a up. I
Speaker 1: didn't know what the funk you were talking about. I
Speaker 1: didn't know what you were talking about, but you said,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the funk is a podcast? Who
Speaker 1: the funk has about this ship? You're a fucking genius.
Speaker 1: You're a fucking and And I have my company and
Speaker 1: my wife and I because it's not me, there's no
Speaker 1: more searchlight. The name of the company's for MC. It's
Speaker 1: the name of my wife and my children because it's
Speaker 1: about this, right, and it's about what you guys built
Speaker 1: for me. So what I did in the streets of
Speaker 1: Far Rockaway, you did here for me, you returned your energy. Yea.
Speaker 1: Let me let me say we're doing right because I
Speaker 1: do use Google. Now, at first when you started this,
Speaker 1: I didn't use Google. But when I googled you, it
Speaker 1: was so enlightened. And it's so fun because the shirts
Speaker 1: two words of your name is MC. Always I'll never
Speaker 1: drop that. So when you hit Google and then you're
Speaker 1: typing m C, there's only a couple of other people
Speaker 1: who pop up. Do you know who those people are?
Speaker 1: Probably MC Hamma, No, yes, okay, I'm see Hamma. Who's
Speaker 1: the other person who? Probably no, probably not like didn't
Speaker 1: come up with me. No, m C. I would probably see.
Speaker 1: I would probably say, you know what the name that
Speaker 1: pops in my head is probably and it's not that
Speaker 1: it's probably MC wren, but it's probably not wren. H Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, because you know Google is um yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know one of the But let me tell
Speaker 1: you something and and and I want to talk about
Speaker 1: this for a second because Queen's Bridge deserves all its flowers. Flowers.
Speaker 1: But in the podcast we did, we came, we started
Speaker 1: to talk because we interviewed all the people that he
Speaker 1: came up with that we're you know, obviously still with us,
Speaker 1: and we started to talking about Lafayette Gardens in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: l Yeah, here's the list of producers and artists that
Speaker 1: came out of LG. Easy Mobi, which doctor who did
Speaker 1: Roman is fundamental? Who did Biggie? All right? Mr c
Speaker 1: A b Money from wrapping its fundamental? It can be
Speaker 1: argument and obviously Kine spent a lot of time there,
Speaker 1: but it can be argued it's not right a wrong,
Speaker 1: but it can be argued that LG is probably just
Speaker 1: as dope as Queensbridge. We looked at it like that.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying it's factual, because there's also a
Speaker 1: point of it where after you had the surgeons of
Speaker 1: Queensbridge with Nasation, with with hot Day, with Hot Day
Speaker 1: with Bob Deep and and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: But you look at el But but the thing about
Speaker 1: Morley is Molly technically didn't live in Queensbridge, which I
Speaker 1: found out he had a house near Queensbridge. He moved
Speaker 1: to Queensbridge to produce or pay the fall he did
Speaker 1: admit on yes, he paid he did absolutely absolutely Bridge right.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to me because even with me being
Speaker 1: the forest Company hip hop I didn't connect that cool
Speaker 1: V is from LG. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: so you tell me, yeah, d J cool V that
Speaker 1: are known to yalls come as with Lollley or you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like so you know, so it
Speaker 1: could be argued. And that's the fun that I'm having
Speaker 1: with my podcast is that I'm now looking at it.
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, I should do a whole problem. You all
Speaker 1: want a guy who's affiliated to Queen's. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: win this argument on this pocket brother, I'm from far rockaing'
Speaker 1: never gonna proud with you to see that. Um Now,
Speaker 1: I just want to grab me recently like, uh, I'm
Speaker 1: out chilling. You know, I don't. I've never watched the Grammars.
Speaker 1: They never invited me. I want to do that, Like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hate it. I'm gonna hate it when it
Speaker 1: comes to that, you don't invite me. I think your
Speaker 1: ship is wack. You don't wake me. I would give
Speaker 1: it up. That's just where I am. But um so
Speaker 1: I don't. Never I've never got invited to Grammar, even
Speaker 1: my hottest Like I think they invited me and took
Speaker 1: it back. It was like I'm not sure. So I
Speaker 1: never had that dream, right, but I've never made I've
Speaker 1: made that level, but not I felt like and then
Speaker 1: recently but just sitting out there looking we're gonna watch
Speaker 1: the Grammars like no, But I wake up the next
Speaker 1: day and they're like, yo, he won. I'm at a
Speaker 1: restaurant there and Billy's. We order all the crab legs,
Speaker 1: I drink all the champagne, give me out champagne I got,
Speaker 1: and I do a blog and everybody and it was like,
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm not from Queen's Bridge, I'm from
Speaker 1: Left Frack City, but I got a lot of love,
Speaker 1: you know, the same thing. But but oh, I got
Speaker 1: a lot of love, and I just wanted to show
Speaker 1: them stat love. I didn't want to I didn't want
Speaker 1: to interpret your saying we're bringing this Grammy back then
Speaker 1: left Frack in Queensbridge, because that's not with nos nos
Speaker 1: as Queen's Bridge. So I did it a big ups
Speaker 1: those places, a big of my my boy left place.
Speaker 1: And I mean I could see all of them we
Speaker 1: post it and just being happy and rejoicing, and it
Speaker 1: just made me feel so proud because that's where we is,
Speaker 1: like in Queens like sometimes we're so territorial that we'll
Speaker 1: be like, you know, up from Left Frack, but I'm
Speaker 1: just from Section one. I'm from Queen's Bridge, but I'm
Speaker 1: just from Vernon love O. I'm f far a Rock,
Speaker 1: but I'm just from Yeah, you know, I'm from South Jamaica,
Speaker 1: but I'm just from basically, like, um, I feel like
Speaker 1: this was this moment where just all of us queens.
Speaker 1: So how good did you feel from being the trifector?
Speaker 1: For me, it's it's three folds for me coming here.
Speaker 1: One is to be here with you. Two is understanding
Speaker 1: that NAS not only want to Grammy but got into
Speaker 1: the Library of Congress right. But three is making the
Speaker 1: left on this block and see an M F. Doom
Speaker 1: on the corner. Wow, Um, because you know I know
Speaker 1: Zev love x Y. Yeah, yeah, what I'm googling whatever
Speaker 1: I'm doing right up there. Well, I mean I don't
Speaker 1: know MF. Doom. I know Zev love X, I know
Speaker 1: Daniel do Malay, I know sub Rocky rest in Peace.
Speaker 1: I know the family, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: that those are my people, you know, that's just it's
Speaker 1: not just some artists, you know, Like when I was
Speaker 1: changing the subject, staying on the subject. But when M F.
Speaker 1: Doom they pronounced him dead and it was on Halloween,
Speaker 1: Like wasn't Like a lot of people in the hip
Speaker 1: hop at first was like is this a because listen,
Speaker 1: I remember one time people were saying M F. Doom
Speaker 1: was in six places at one time, as if there
Speaker 1: was other people that was other people were performing with
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean again, I don't know too. I
Speaker 1: know love X because you know, when I was putting
Speaker 1: out my little independent records before Third Base, I was
Speaker 1: hanging out on Long Beach, Long Island, which was you know,
Speaker 1: hop skipping a jump from Far rockaway. I met my homeboy,
Speaker 1: I met I met Otis and then I met Doom
Speaker 1: and him and I told him, I said, yo, when
Speaker 1: I get on, you get on period in a conversation. Um,
Speaker 1: he always wanted to wear a mask. He put on
Speaker 1: the man after his brother died. After his brother died,
Speaker 1: it was Um. It was one of those moments where
Speaker 1: make sure we go back to the Grammy and that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but but but no, no, but but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna come back to the Grammy's
Speaker 1: and I'll explain why so um, you know, so seeing
Speaker 1: do him at at the at the funeral and him
Speaker 1: mashing out, and then this year Nasmin and the Grammy
Speaker 1: watching watching the Grammys for the first time seeing Doom
Speaker 1: on the on the screen, but then the credits roll
Speaker 1: and executive producer for Team of Robinson and for Team
Speaker 1: and I used to dance together with Stretch and shake
Speaker 1: his IOU dances and in in LQ. So I'm and
Speaker 1: my man, Jeff Robinson wins for her and that's my dude, Like,
Speaker 1: that's my Like I go back to when Alicia performed
Speaker 1: for my my non for profit Rock Can Wrap it
Speaker 1: Up at the World Trades How a year before I
Speaker 1: went down. Yeah, I mean, so I'm seeing all this
Speaker 1: and I'm crying my eyes out, happy, sad, you know,
Speaker 1: a million emotions going through me because it's that, It's
Speaker 1: that moment. It's nas it's Doom, it's Fatima, it's Jeff,
Speaker 1: it's all of all people finally being where they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be, getting what they're supposed to get. You know, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, if they were gonna show
Speaker 1: Doom and they did, you know, when when Doom died
Speaker 1: not only on but when they made the announcement New
Speaker 1: Years Either. The one thing that amazed me was not
Speaker 1: only the amount of rappers that showed love, but it
Speaker 1: was no, no, no, but kept secret. They kept a secret,
Speaker 1: and I think they did. They think they did the
Speaker 1: right thing because they put his affairs in order. Doom knew.
Speaker 1: The one thing I know is that Doom knew he
Speaker 1: was gonna die six months before. Like they knew he
Speaker 1: was gonna die. Um, so they put as a peas
Speaker 1: in order and to see Like Tom York from Radiohead
Speaker 1: give him his flowers, Beth Gibbons from Porter's Head gives flowers,
Speaker 1: Johnny Marr from the Smiths give him his flowers. Darius
Speaker 1: Rutger from Jodie and the Blowfish give him his flowers.
Speaker 1: Like yo, it was fucking crazy. Along with all the
Speaker 1: other MC's laurels around the world being made, murals around
Speaker 1: the world. I gotta pictures in from France, London trains.
Speaker 1: The fucking government of France, Japan that doesn't allow murals
Speaker 1: to run on trains. Let the Doom murals run Amsterdam.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like the impact that he
Speaker 1: made man was fucking crazy. And you don't expect that,
Speaker 1: and you know, talking about a men's and talking about
Speaker 1: being in recovery, because that's one of the things that
Speaker 1: we're also doing in our podcast company is Me and
Speaker 1: um My Homegirl Kyle Eustace from Hip Hop t X.
Speaker 1: We have a podcast called Breaking Me on Unimity, which
Speaker 1: is about the road to redemption and recovery, right, because
Speaker 1: I think there's a stigma people think like, oh, you
Speaker 1: can't have fun, you can't be around people smoking weed
Speaker 1: when you're you're an addict, you can't be around this. No,
Speaker 1: it's about breaking that down and understanding like you can
Speaker 1: go to a program and get help, because there's people
Speaker 1: that can help you, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: and so we have like amazing artist Danny Boy from
Speaker 1: House of Pain, Frank Gallagher from The Talking Heads, Like
Speaker 1: we have these amazing slain talking about their their road
Speaker 1: to recovery. And one of the things that I talked
Speaker 1: about and my my amends is there's called direct amends
Speaker 1: and indirect amends. Right, there's a homeboy in mind here
Speaker 1: I gotta make amends with before I leave, right, So
Speaker 1: so there's direct amends, but then there's indirect And I
Speaker 1: always thought, man, I can make amends with with subprop
Speaker 1: I can make amends with them. So now I gotta
Speaker 1: make indirect amends. So the things that I take responsibility
Speaker 1: for for the distance in our relationship, now I gotta
Speaker 1: fix with the next man or the next woman somebody else, right,
Speaker 1: because that's my responsibility. That's my responsibility before they put
Speaker 1: me in the dirt. Yes, yeah, So the Grammys and
Speaker 1: and the beautiful part about the Grammys, you know again
Speaker 1: and going back to it, is that it seemed to
Speaker 1: me for the first time in hip hop history that
Speaker 1: the Album of the Year was balanced Alchemists and Freddie Gibbs,
Speaker 1: like the Fun album is crazy. Alchemist is a monster.
Speaker 1: He deserved that. Like you talk about you know, grise Elda,
Speaker 1: like you talk about Benny, you talk about West Out Gun,
Speaker 1: you talk about Bodie James, Like, oh, Funk is a
Speaker 1: Monster's to get fun Grammy nominations, Like it's balanced. You know,
Speaker 1: we got this balance, We got this finally, We've got
Speaker 1: a little bit of equilibrium. You know. It makes me
Speaker 1: want to vote. I'm a voter. I don't vote. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like Nori, I'm fuck you ain't gonna do shift
Speaker 1: for voter for anybody, you know. But but you know,
Speaker 1: but that's you know, it's it's what it is. And
Speaker 1: and I feel like this balance finally because there's people
Speaker 1: like us who are in this range, who have the experience,
Speaker 1: who now can say to the Grammys and and Narrow's like,
Speaker 1: who hold on, hold on, hold on blank, don't let's
Speaker 1: let's look at this and how we look at it
Speaker 1: is we vote on it. Right, that's beautiful, that's beautiful. Um, wait,
Speaker 1: we didn't. You still didn't finish telling us about mc
Speaker 1: hammer's hit on you. Yeah, that's for the book. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to talk about I'm gonna talking about that. No,
Speaker 1: And they say, but it didn't work. No, it definitely
Speaker 1: didn't work. But it goes back also to men's like,
Speaker 1: you know, so I didn't even say the line, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm gonna eventually have to make amends
Speaker 1: with the men, right, even though he put a hit
Speaker 1: out on me, right, Like I have to make amends.
Speaker 1: And where I come from And I'm not being braggadocious
Speaker 1: when I say this, because even though I grew up
Speaker 1: in a very traditional Jewish household, I didn't grow up
Speaker 1: in that household. I grew up in Redferend Projects. I
Speaker 1: grew up in Hammels. I grew up. I grew up
Speaker 1: on the street like where we come from. Somebody puts
Speaker 1: a hit out on you. You You wipe out their family.
Speaker 1: You don't wipe out the dude. You wipe out his
Speaker 1: mom and sisters, brother, his cousin, his uncle. You leave
Speaker 1: no bloodline, you know, because the other dudes that I
Speaker 1: grew up with on the other side of the street,
Speaker 1: in in Wood and in Rosdale, Colombo Crown family, Gambino
Speaker 1: Crown family, like and that's how they moved right, But
Speaker 1: that's not who I am today. And I felt that
Speaker 1: way for a long time. It ate up at you know,
Speaker 1: it ate me a long time, Like I gotta see
Speaker 1: this dude. Eventually, I'm a see this dude. I was
Speaker 1: in a room with him recently on clubhouse and somebody
Speaker 1: said to me, Yo, this is the perfect time. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: it's I'm sorry. But I was like, I'm not. It's
Speaker 1: not the right time, Like this is not the right time.
Speaker 1: The time to do it is when we can sit
Speaker 1: down here and I and I can tell him what
Speaker 1: my responsibility is, what my role is right. Even though
Speaker 1: I didn't say the long even though the other dude
Speaker 1: in my group never never ever talked about it, he
Speaker 1: just kind of kept it moving. Right. So I'm the
Speaker 1: one because you know, I'm the guy that in hip
Speaker 1: hop people see as the front man. Even though it
Speaker 1: was a group, it was all three of us, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's my responsibility. So
Speaker 1: I'll make that amend when I'm ready, because the part
Speaker 1: of it that that seventh and eighth step is when
Speaker 1: you're willing. I'm not. I'm almost there. I'm not completely
Speaker 1: willing to forget that because it was It's crazy. It
Speaker 1: was real serious. You know, it wasn't any fucking game.
Speaker 1: It was fucking serious. Um. But I know that that's
Speaker 1: my my responsibility. You know. When we talked about it
Speaker 1: on the Breaking Anonymity podcast, we talked about like the
Speaker 1: responsibility of they don't save the you know it. But
Speaker 1: it's also what it is, because that's what we talked about.
Speaker 1: It's not a plug just for the second's not that's weird.
Speaker 1: So now as we're talking about because you know this
Speaker 1: is you know, drink chance. We love cocaine stories here, right,
Speaker 1: we just love it right. It's just it's just like
Speaker 1: when you did cocaine, but when you did Cocaine's office
Speaker 1: one day. Leo is one of my favorite executives. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what they did anybody else from
Speaker 1: but we just we just called them Elroy Cohen. I mean,
Speaker 1: we were just working with him. Listen, I love I
Speaker 1: walk in the All Calls office one day and he's
Speaker 1: sitting there and he has, uh, it's a picture on
Speaker 1: his wall he has on his nose on his nose
Speaker 1: like a tissue the picture or him the picture has
Speaker 1: a tissue on his nose. So I'm looking and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it was a great nut. I'm like, yo, because this
Speaker 1: is the time you want to vote with and like
Speaker 1: he's like, no one was sniffing cocaine and what's my ship?
Speaker 1: Just bluffs And I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: love this stuff. No I was not. I was not cocaine. Okay, my, my, my, my, my.
Speaker 1: DC was just slang term for drugger. Choice in the
Speaker 1: room is what you're smoking right there. But we can't
Speaker 1: be in the cover real but honest, So here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the fact that I smoked it. It was
Speaker 1: how I behaved after I smoked it, And it was
Speaker 1: the fact that what I did as a man, it
Speaker 1: was definitely smoke of dust and just throw it out.
Speaker 1: It's a whole different was a dirty in a different times.
Speaker 1: It was was gont no no. And the thing was
Speaker 1: he believed it on the but I didn't play on
Speaker 1: and I damned you didn't blame it on the dust.
Speaker 1: I was happy as fun happening. I fucking served him
Speaker 1: doing so bad and trying to kill me with man, okay,
Speaker 1: so hold up. Continue. So it wasn't It wasn't that.
Speaker 1: It was a combination of a lot of things that
Speaker 1: made me realize that my addiction. You yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: once no, you don't want to it's a terrible story.
Speaker 1: I didn't say because it's boring, it's gonna be gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna make the editing flaw. Yo. I fucking snorted
Speaker 1: a line. It tasted terrible. In the back of my thought,
Speaker 1: I was done. It was said, Wow, I didn't think
Speaker 1: that that was the story. That's what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: but right with my choice, when I got to a
Speaker 1: place where I realized it was a problem, it wasn't
Speaker 1: that it was the weed itself. It was the behavior
Speaker 1: that I was masking. Right, So what I learned in
Speaker 1: recovery it was that after I got rid of my
Speaker 1: dc is, I had to start looking at who I
Speaker 1: was and started to peel back the under of my
Speaker 1: authentic self. So I started to like look at my
Speaker 1: character defense. I started looking at the things that made
Speaker 1: me a funk up individual. I started to have to
Speaker 1: look at the things like because yo, I would smoke
Speaker 1: and then I was sucking a zombie. Like I was
Speaker 1: a zombie to my children. I was a zombie to
Speaker 1: my wife. I was a zombie in life. I was
Speaker 1: a bad businessman, I was a bad partner. I was
Speaker 1: from weed or from weed, because what it did was
Speaker 1: it didn't allow me. The weed didn't allow me to
Speaker 1: deal with my my personal issues. It didn't allow It
Speaker 1: was totally a crutch, but it was. But it was
Speaker 1: gonna be honest. What years we talked about they had
Speaker 1: cocaine your ship. I'm just throwing it out there. You
Speaker 1: body didn't know, you brobably didn't know. I stopped using,
Speaker 1: stopped using, stop all using my clean, my clean from
Speaker 1: a doctor, my doctor. Dude, alcohol you don't think so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's be really clear, and I want to explain something
Speaker 1: for for the sake of this. Absolutely, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that maljuana is bad. If you just smoking casually, that's great.
Speaker 1: I just think you should smoke and stay smoking. I
Speaker 1: think it says in the scriptures the Most High gave
Speaker 1: us all of these plants on the planet Earth for
Speaker 1: you to use. I'm saying that the work is not
Speaker 1: in there is. He didn't give us all these plans
Speaker 1: for you to abuse, and I abuse them because I
Speaker 1: to the best. Tax come on that. No, no, and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to bring down It was never bake
Speaker 1: for me. For me, brother, he had were in the
Speaker 1: part where it is. But you know what in those
Speaker 1: times you're going back to five I'm talking about, I
Speaker 1: was smoking in I'm talking about, no, dude, I was.
Speaker 1: I had that good good everywhere I went. I had
Speaker 1: good goods. You're talking about, like I think he said
Speaker 1: something about somebody never bought weed. I never bought weed
Speaker 1: in my life. I never bought weed. I never bought
Speaker 1: weed in my life. I had homeboys bring me weed
Speaker 1: all the time. But what I was dealing with in
Speaker 1: my personal life, my professional life, I had to get
Speaker 1: high because I couldn't deal with the pain that I
Speaker 1: was dealing with. I didn't want to look at it.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to examine it. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: funk with it. Right, So when I got into the program,
Speaker 1: I started to break ship down. And the first four
Speaker 1: years like I was still the piece. Yeah, in the
Speaker 1: first four years. Steve LeBell has a program where they
Speaker 1: got the same ship to get you off of cocaine.
Speaker 1: What's it like that? But put you all the marijuana?
Speaker 1: Hut you not wet? That's serious? Fellas missing him the
Speaker 1: point for him, Yes, man, I'm going to get hooked
Speaker 1: on and that he was. He was not. He was
Speaker 1: not doing no crazy on Man one. I wouldn't hear
Speaker 1: the craziest thing you did on mat one. It's not
Speaker 1: about the craziest ship I did on maljuana. You're not
Speaker 1: hearing what I'm saying. Definitely not. I'm so sorry. It's
Speaker 1: okay marijuan. And that's okay because look I'm not and
Speaker 1: I think the thing is what you're hearing is I'm
Speaker 1: not telling you that marijuana is bad. Maljuana is great,
Speaker 1: because what I'm picturing is Robber Downey junior, and this
Speaker 1: is reference is actually a well you know, Robert Downe,
Speaker 1: I've never heard searching fuck up ship. I just never
Speaker 1: heard of it. I've never heard of it. Bro. We
Speaker 1: searched the people section. No, but it's not because it
Speaker 1: wasn't about what I did in the streets. It's what
Speaker 1: it did to me. And I was faced. I was
Speaker 1: faced with a choice. And when I first looked at it,
Speaker 1: I thought like you like, I'm like, oh, motherfucker's are crazy.
Speaker 1: You know this is all bullshit. I remember the first
Speaker 1: time I ever went to a meeting, the first meeting
Speaker 1: I ever went to, there was a dude sitting across
Speaker 1: from me, looks like a fucking racist. I'm from Queens.
Speaker 1: He's fucking big white dude. He's in a cut, got
Speaker 1: a big gass bid named Rich, big Rich. Definitely a
Speaker 1: truck drop dude. And the first thing, and the first
Speaker 1: thing I'm in my fucking in this meeting saying, is like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this dude's gonna open up his mouth and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: punch him in his fucking mouth. I got my little
Speaker 1: jig on me. I'm a funk. I'm I'm just waiting.
Speaker 1: But he's the nicest guy in the world, worst, worse.
Speaker 1: He opened up his mouth and told my story. He
Speaker 1: shared his experience, strength and hope, and it was my
Speaker 1: fucking story in a dude and a human being that
Speaker 1: I would have no connection within the street. He don't
Speaker 1: listen to what I listened to. He don't move how
Speaker 1: I move, he don't like what I like. But his
Speaker 1: experience was my experience, and it broke me. I fucking
Speaker 1: cried like a baby for forty five minutes in that meeting.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even speak, and I realized, Yo, I got
Speaker 1: a fucking problem. But the problem ain't that I'm the problem.
Speaker 1: But it took me four years of not doing that
Speaker 1: to get to the point where, Okay, I gotta look
Speaker 1: at myself real quick, I gotta look at myself, and
Speaker 1: I gotta really really look at what like my wife sees,
Speaker 1: my children see. Now harder this to make the MENSI
Speaker 1: a kid just sit in front of him and saying,
Speaker 1: this is why I was a horrible father, And have
Speaker 1: your children tell you, yeah, you're you're fucked up person.
Speaker 1: And it's not about forgiveness. And that's the other thing
Speaker 1: people don't realize. It's not about you saying I forgive you.
Speaker 1: I've made immens to people that people said, okay, you're
Speaker 1: still a piece of ship. Fuck you, And I said,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for hearing me, thank you for understanding,
Speaker 1: thank you for allowing me to tell you my role.
Speaker 1: And that's it, and I keep it moving. So it's
Speaker 1: not about that. It's not about that. It's not about
Speaker 1: he's bounding down. When the dude came to him and
Speaker 1: he said, you know, I want to apologize to you,
Speaker 1: fucking your sister. No, ye, your wife do. The guy
Speaker 1: didn't even trust me my man, I mean with the guy,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm only board. You wouldn't get a candle.
Speaker 1: So for me again, so for me, and and again
Speaker 1: for me, it was really a very simple process as
Speaker 1: a cannabis agricultural advocate. Depends where you finish. I figured, yes, certain,
Speaker 1: you need to get back into cannabis. No, not gonna
Speaker 1: have to get back into it. You need to get
Speaker 1: back in the canaps some way. It was very safe. No,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the only way I'll get back into
Speaker 1: cannabis is me and my partner's own a spot. Exactly.
Speaker 1: You don't see what that's what I'm saying you don't
Speaker 1: never get you don't don't get us on your own supplot. Brother,
Speaker 1: you don't CBD, you never had a c because again
Speaker 1: another it's all it's all about, it's all about understanding
Speaker 1: that one is too many in a thousand's never Okay,
Speaker 1: CBD doesn't get you high. But I've had this argument.
Speaker 1: So the argument I've had this argument don't get you high.
Speaker 1: But the argument the argument is is it's like, I'll
Speaker 1: give you a perfect example, Mascotta. I've heard this argument
Speaker 1: all the time. Mascott was only like less than one
Speaker 1: percent alcohol. It's a sparkling drink, right, right, So is
Speaker 1: that for an alcoholic a gateway to this to that,
Speaker 1: to that to that? Right? So for me, I don't
Speaker 1: I can't talk for anybody else. For me, I don't
Speaker 1: funk with none of it because for me, I'm happy
Speaker 1: with where I am today. I fucking feel so fucking good,
Speaker 1: fucking feel good. The only thing I don't feel good
Speaker 1: about is I'm a fat fuck So I gotta lose
Speaker 1: this weight. But that's also a part of my process,
Speaker 1: right because now I've you know, do I like doughnuts? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I gotta get rid of them. I gotta get no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, I'm not that friends over there, so that
Speaker 1: if you don't know that might be, but like, but people,
Speaker 1: but people, you know you know what, people but people,
Speaker 1: I think make this invalid, inaccurate assumption. Dude, I'm around
Speaker 1: all of y'all. Y'alla are smoking. I'm not triggering. You
Speaker 1: know why, because it ain't for me. It's like when
Speaker 1: dudes go to a bar and they don't drink, why
Speaker 1: it ain't for them? Dude, I agree with you, and
Speaker 1: I want to be really clear baka rock Crystal Clear
Speaker 1: on this. All right. I'm glad you can smoke and
Speaker 1: feel good about it. I'm glad everybody in here that
Speaker 1: smokes and puffs trees feel good about it. It don't
Speaker 1: work for me, said, I'm want the noise for that,
Speaker 1: and that's real, that's really it's good. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pop. I think you gotta go with the
Speaker 1: gold to golden and after that after platinum. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Can I can I ask you
Speaker 1: a question? All right? So this is what I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about um about CNN, Right, so after
Speaker 1: the war report drops, you do four hundred nobody expected
Speaker 1: you to do none of that right, nobody did right
Speaker 1: war report. Did you ever feel like there was gonna
Speaker 1: be a part of you that was missing if you
Speaker 1: went solo? Was there ever a part of you that
Speaker 1: was like, damn when my man went away and all
Speaker 1: of that, I shouldn't do an R album, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: continue making music. I should hold off and wait, like
Speaker 1: the way like MLP might have done, or way other
Speaker 1: people might have done. Was ever part of that you
Speaker 1: that said, you know what I gotta I gotta fall
Speaker 1: back and hold off. No. That was a decisive answer,
Speaker 1: um because it was like, oh, ship Peter Roseburg, that's Peter.
Speaker 1: You cool, Peter, love Peter. That's my dude. Another great
Speaker 1: jewe and hip hop by the way, all right, let's
Speaker 1: let's Seev picks up. I don't know what he just
Speaker 1: hit me. I don't know. Let ce he picks up.
Speaker 1: Did somebody called Peter and tell him I was here?
Speaker 1: Is that good? Look? Look he's sleeping off? Yeah? Let yo,
Speaker 1: you know yo. You know what Sean Peck says, Right,
Speaker 1: men shouldn't face time each other. That's the violation. How you, Pete?
Speaker 1: What's going on with you? We doing? Hold on you
Speaker 1: got a hold come on a third day? Yeah it no, no,
Speaker 1: talk to him, talk to me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't even know what the fuck. It's just some weird shape.
Speaker 1: What up? How you sure you don't face time with
Speaker 1: men like this? Yeah, it's definitely a bad little I'm
Speaker 1: gonna taco. Hey, man, did you guys start yet? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been we're a little bit. We're like our three
Speaker 1: already coming up on the third hour, so you know,
Speaker 1: you know, and Kane has come to see you on
Speaker 1: the twenty seven. I know you're happy about that we
Speaker 1: got you, and I'm looking forward to it. Man, So
Speaker 1: what's uping? Man chilling? I just want you to feel
Speaker 1: awkward now and I have to sit in the sun
Speaker 1: nahu that Yeah, yeah, when you get I just wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure you thought it was funny. And then
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking ship all right, cool because you know
Speaker 1: I got jokes back, so it was okay, okay, hey
Speaker 1: hang a wait wait, wait, hold on, hold on, ye hey, um,
Speaker 1: sorry brother, talking about I'm about to be down to
Speaker 1: do it a luminati too. That's a funny story. That's
Speaker 1: a funny start. When I was, when I was, when
Speaker 1: I was when I was doing radio in Detroit. I
Speaker 1: get a call to the newsroom. Your sir Shine is
Speaker 1: on the phone. Oh shot, And I'm like, oh shan, pope.
Speaker 1: I'm like the orchidage right, So he just got he
Speaker 1: was just maybe it was about a year and a half.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, we gotta record. There's gotta be lives.
Speaker 1: There's kind of shot me for one second. Actually, one thing.
Speaker 1: You can ask me whatever you want because you say
Speaker 1: you olibriliate it. You are out of this world. And
Speaker 1: that's how I made up, made up and I'm using it.
Speaker 1: It does not affect you. Smelling this drinking that can
Speaker 1: you open up a bottle of page you can open
Speaker 1: it up of the films like Wings, But listen, don't
Speaker 1: sunk this up. He's can I just tell you kind
Speaker 1: of open I'm a fucking jew. I know what the man.
Speaker 1: Let's let's see if we've still got it, still got
Speaker 1: the last? Have you over the more? That's a fine
Speaker 1: ittle hampagne. That's that's that's twee hunt it. Let's see
Speaker 1: that and it is hip my own too. Let's see
Speaker 1: if you can do it. But I see the tab
Speaker 1: hold on, Okay, you gotta, I gotta the last time
Speaker 1: you open a bottle of champagne. Oh boy, um, probably
Speaker 1: my kids, my kids bartzh Okay, So two thousand and
Speaker 1: four teen, okay, two fourteen, okay, thousand fourteen. Okay, you
Speaker 1: still think you got the skills? Oh yeah, okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna test you out right now, because as you know,
Speaker 1: the skills all that when you open up a bottle
Speaker 1: of champagne, the kids, it's the Jewish secret. No, just
Speaker 1: the Champagne secret. Unless you want to get me a saber.
Speaker 1: And I can do a saber. Stuff. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're gonna cut. You're gonna cut the joints. If
Speaker 1: you have a saber, I can do it that way.
Speaker 1: So the key is right, I want to hold it
Speaker 1: to the thumb, okay, right, because don't know if the
Speaker 1: arra is coming this way, right, So let's get that off.
Speaker 1: That's what she said, she said. Okay, huh, little type,
Speaker 1: that's what she said. Okay, now track is want to
Speaker 1: twist let the error, guys, I'm not going he with
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Listen, hold on, did you hear
Speaker 1: that the air It wasn't even what he popped. It
Speaker 1: was the ear. That's perfect ear buzz. I'm not gonna sorrow.
Speaker 1: Did you borrow by year? That's what the guys who
Speaker 1: coming there, you know, you know he only that that
Speaker 1: was all that, That was no search. Let me just
Speaker 1: say something, man, you're relegion. When we started the show
Speaker 1: like this, this is where our purpose was was. You know,
Speaker 1: you figured that these new guys, they have their other platforms.
Speaker 1: You make these new records, and it's great and we
Speaker 1: want to support them too. I don't want to feel
Speaker 1: like a drink. Champs will support the new generation. We
Speaker 1: do support the new generation. It's our focuses on the
Speaker 1: generation that came before us, the generation that laid it
Speaker 1: down for prior to us, and we want to continue
Speaker 1: to do that. When we have artists like you, it's
Speaker 1: such an honor, it's such a pleasure and it's such
Speaker 1: a just a moment for us. Feel like like this
Speaker 1: what you were saying just now, I was just falling
Speaker 1: back into the fan mold like and I'm sitting back
Speaker 1: because some of the ships I knew, and that some
Speaker 1: of about Google and something that I was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't even I just want to figure it out
Speaker 1: right now, and such a beautiful moment for me. I
Speaker 1: know it's such a beautiful moment for him. Um, And
Speaker 1: we want to thank you in your face. We want to,
Speaker 1: you know, tell you how much we appreciate for what
Speaker 1: you're doing, because there's a lot of people who had
Speaker 1: your positions, had your moments, had your time. I could
Speaker 1: have said, you know why I did it. I did
Speaker 1: my part. Let me get out of here, let me
Speaker 1: take my money and let me get the away, let
Speaker 1: me get out of here. But one of the things,
Speaker 1: and I will say this, you know, one of the things,
Speaker 1: And I feel the same way. This is a fan
Speaker 1: boy moment for me too, because I'm such a fan
Speaker 1: of yours. Not only because not only because I love
Speaker 1: being on the road with you, being a small part
Speaker 1: of a great record, getting on the radio and doing that.
Speaker 1: But what you guys have built is what I strive for.
Speaker 1: You know, even with my Search Says podcast, even with
Speaker 1: my individual podcast, Like I study what you do in
Speaker 1: your interviews so that when I do my interviews, I
Speaker 1: know I'm I'm ready for it. Like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be the how it's turning to hip hop, Like I
Speaker 1: want to fucking hit people over the head with ship,
Speaker 1: but they go, oh ship, Like when I hit Chris
Speaker 1: Rock over the head with knowing that he had he
Speaker 1: was on the spectrum of aspergers, he didn't even you know,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like I mean, like
Speaker 1: you know, or talking to like Kamal Bell about growing
Speaker 1: up in Oakland and knowing about him that you know,
Speaker 1: talking to fucking Roger Clemens about the blood blister on
Speaker 1: it in eight six and how it was bullshit and
Speaker 1: that you know what I'm saying, like so like I
Speaker 1: like to get it, but that is you returning what
Speaker 1: I gave to y'all. You know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: that's why I'm here, That's why I sat down. That's
Speaker 1: why I wanted to be a part of this. But
Speaker 1: you so much of a legend man, like when you
Speaker 1: look at you know. But I didn't want to say
Speaker 1: this real quickly. I'm sorry because because when I when
Speaker 1: we build, when we build the vote, when we when
Speaker 1: we build new vote, right one of the things, right,
Speaker 1: when we build a new vote. My philosophy was real simple.
Speaker 1: When I went to the company, I said, I want
Speaker 1: to create my department to help artists and do integrations
Speaker 1: so that they don't have recoupment on their videos. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna pay for a hundred percent of their videos
Speaker 1: and only take ten percent of the time. Right. In
Speaker 1: three years two thousand and eight to two thousand eleven,
Speaker 1: we gave Atlantic Records two point six million dollars. We
Speaker 1: gave Deaf Jam three million dollars. We gave Capital, we
Speaker 1: gave Sony, we gave our c A millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying we didn't make it, because we did.
Speaker 1: We sold New Vote to eleven Giago for three hundred
Speaker 1: seventy six million in four years. I'm about accelerating opportunity.
Speaker 1: But my philosophy was simple, give to the artists. Make
Speaker 1: sure that this company benefits artists first and foremost, and
Speaker 1: then everything else will come back. You know. It's just
Speaker 1: like what the God says, born to born, right, that
Speaker 1: that tent to agree, that that that knowledge has to
Speaker 1: come back. So what you guys are doing for people
Speaker 1: like me, and the reason I was able to make
Speaker 1: my joint venture with Sony is this is an example. Well,
Speaker 1: we're all building off each other's back. That's the point
Speaker 1: that we've kind of been talking over. And it's also
Speaker 1: you know, goes back to your union and goes back
Speaker 1: to all the people that are here that make this
Speaker 1: show possible. Your engineer, the sound guys, the guys that
Speaker 1: you know, compromise their time. You know, the one most
Speaker 1: valuable commodity we have beyond money is time. We don't
Speaker 1: ever get it back this, you know, whatever time it
Speaker 1: is now, because I don't want to date it because
Speaker 1: it might be ever greeness content. The time we have now,
Speaker 1: we never get it back. So let's manufacture our time
Speaker 1: to equate the greatness you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: everything else is bullshit. Everything else don't mean ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean. We can drink all the wine and we want.
Speaker 1: We can drink all we can smoke all the we
Speaker 1: we want, But if we don't maximize our time and
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing and doing what you know, what
Speaker 1: the fund is it for. That's true, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something real quick about Searchlight, because
Speaker 1: I swear to God that I've seen Searchlight forever. Did
Speaker 1: you sell the company? I closed it? The only thing
Speaker 1: that exists now is Searchlight Publishing because there's just too much.
Speaker 1: I mean, we got obviously, we got nas you know
Speaker 1: that we administered but we also work with Ashley Rose
Speaker 1: is a amazing writer. She wrote for a Seventh Street
Speaker 1: Or Chris Brown, Body James, who's down with Griselda did
Speaker 1: the VERSACEI tape. You know he's down with that. Kevil
Speaker 1: de Grade, who wrote for like a gang of artists
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, A man big said, who's down here working
Speaker 1: with arn and working city girls and all that ship.
Speaker 1: So the only thing that existed Searchlight, Searchlight publishing. Everything
Speaker 1: else I closed. And when I had my own personal awakening,
Speaker 1: I said to my wife, I said, you know, it
Speaker 1: can't be about me anymore. I got amazing kids, You're amazing.
Speaker 1: And if I would have spent a tenth of my
Speaker 1: time listening to my wife, I would have been a
Speaker 1: hundred times more successful. So I said to my wife,
Speaker 1: take everything she My wife owns, the royalties, owns, the
Speaker 1: publishing owns them, that everything. And if I want to
Speaker 1: do something in business, I talked to Chantel. First, I
Speaker 1: can't make any decisions. Yep, Black and Puerto Rican Right, Cool, Cool,
Speaker 1: She's through. You see what's going to Gary Old is
Speaker 1: still a right to the barbecue after us. So I'm
Speaker 1: with him. I'm with my with my bride thirty three
Speaker 1: years so. Um so when I created four Him seeing
Speaker 1: and I made it about the kids, and I made
Speaker 1: it about my wife. It's because that is that is,
Speaker 1: that is my son, my my birth and my moon.
Speaker 1: And if I would have because and I know he
Speaker 1: got it in him, it's just something about blacks and
Speaker 1: Puerto Ricans that got it in him. My wife was
Speaker 1: she could sit me down with you for five minutes.
Speaker 1: Five minutes, she'll walk away from table and say, don't
Speaker 1: funk with him, or the opposite, fun with him. And
Speaker 1: I used to say this, come on, you don't know, no,
Speaker 1: not good beyond that, beyond that. And if I would
Speaker 1: have just spent a tenth of my time with her
Speaker 1: saying you're right, I would have been a hundred times
Speaker 1: more successful a hundred times. So now the last five
Speaker 1: years of my company with four him C has been
Speaker 1: fifty times more successful than it's ever been in the
Speaker 1: years pride, because I look at her and I say,
Speaker 1: what do you think, m And she says, give me
Speaker 1: all the information. She says to me, and I'll start
Speaker 1: talking and she does, Michael land the plane, land the plane,
Speaker 1: and then she says, I want to meet him yeah,
Speaker 1: And if those two things don't happen, deals just just
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Beautiful. And I know you got it too.
Speaker 1: So what's next, What's next? What's next? You know? What's next?
Speaker 1: Honestly is Thomas Podcast Company. You know, I believe it's
Speaker 1: a complete network. It's a joint venture that we did
Speaker 1: with Sony and The Orchard. It is a entire organization. Um.
Speaker 1: I believe that that the titles and the colloquialisms that
Speaker 1: we put on our culture is fucked up because we
Speaker 1: are not classic, we are not old school, and our
Speaker 1: legend we are timeless. So I call everything I do timeless.
Speaker 1: Thomless Podcast Coming Me, Thomless Um Distribution and and the
Speaker 1: Thomless Podcast Companies about telling our stories, but telling it
Speaker 1: in a way that will live forever. And one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things to listen to in the archives radio
Speaker 1: archives is Orson Welles when he did the broadcast in
Speaker 1: nineteen World or the World Theater of the Mind, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that times a hundred. And when
Speaker 1: I heard Kane's story and he started blessing me, because
Speaker 1: that's really what Kane did. I mean, he blessed me
Speaker 1: with nine episodes of just should he never talked about.
Speaker 1: I said, it can't be just this I got. I
Speaker 1: want to hear the fucking leaves rustling on fucking on
Speaker 1: his block. I want to hear yo. He grew up
Speaker 1: across the street from Divine Sounds. I talked to Disco
Speaker 1: Ritchie about what people do for money, and we built
Speaker 1: the sound design all around that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so when you hear it, and even created at the show.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of our show, a mercer of sound design,
Speaker 1: we have a trademarked registered sound effect that was built
Speaker 1: in a studio my Man Epic and Sugar Studios that
Speaker 1: was built to encapsulate everything you're going to here, everything
Speaker 1: that you hear. So everything that we do in Times
Speaker 1: podcast is based on immersive sound design and we have
Speaker 1: amazing partners and and you know obviously so there's there's
Speaker 1: that It's called did I have tell you to one
Speaker 1: about podcast? To have tell you about Big Daddy Kane
Speaker 1: Um premiers a We got Search Says podcast, which is
Speaker 1: just an interview, you know, kicking it with people. We
Speaker 1: have the Breaking Animity podcast which is coming in the summer.
Speaker 1: We have Line for Line which you're gonna love. It's
Speaker 1: two m c s talking about how much they influenced
Speaker 1: each other. So the first season is DMC and Chuck
Speaker 1: d Here's here's a little and here's a little treat
Speaker 1: for you. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna bang your head
Speaker 1: with this one. Get a little more sauced. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bang your head. The original name of DMC, the original
Speaker 1: name that wasn't supposed to be in a group. DMC
Speaker 1: was not supposed to be in the group. It was
Speaker 1: just Joey, Joey and j smps. Right, Joey said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I know you've got some ROMs come to the studio.
Speaker 1: Just comes to the studio and kicked the rooms. And
Speaker 1: they did. They did. Suck MC's right, he said at
Speaker 1: the d m C. Right right. Russell says to Joey,
Speaker 1: if this doesn't work out, we're gonna call the group
Speaker 1: run the m C because it will be run. But
Speaker 1: after Daryl kicked his verse, Russell was so happy. They
Speaker 1: called it run DMC for Daryl McDaniels, and he blessed
Speaker 1: us on our podcast. Were the first people that he
Speaker 1: that he tells the whole story. That's what Timeless is
Speaker 1: about man, It's making this ship evergreen so that when
Speaker 1: people look back and we're gonna talk to the new artists,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to them, and you know, we have
Speaker 1: another great show that we're lining up and all of that.
Speaker 1: But the time this podcast company is about this. It's
Speaker 1: about making our stories evergreen, making them last for ever.
Speaker 1: And Kana is the first iteration of them that makes
Speaker 1: a noise of that. I ain't gonna love search. He
Speaker 1: was my man. You actually one of the people that
Speaker 1: I sit down and you tell your story and I
Speaker 1: can co sign it all the way through. You are
Speaker 1: absolutely right. Um. I met you to a Canelli. I
Speaker 1: had my tr I record and a couple of records,
Speaker 1: and you bruught me on tour. We went on tour.
Speaker 1: We had a beautiful time, and I want to thank
Speaker 1: you to your face as a man, because, um, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that you did in the hip
Speaker 1: hop that you didn't have to do, and you did it.
Speaker 1: And just in case you ever not felt like you
Speaker 1: got your flowers, So you get your flowers. We invented.
Speaker 1: We ain't invent the actual statement of giving the flowers.
Speaker 1: We we we made it famous. In the hip hop sorry,
Speaker 1: because because I could just remember and it was so
Speaker 1: beautiful like today and yesterday. I just spent these two
Speaker 1: days just watching all your videos and I like, you know,
Speaker 1: my man with them, you got you got more with
Speaker 1: them to me on the like when I looked, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was doing a little like
Speaker 1: like you know, like he was really dicing like back
Speaker 1: then you had the day he just ship was my
Speaker 1: first tour that we haven't went on was too short, right,
Speaker 1: because you know, we had the West coast and its
Speaker 1: coast locked up, but we had to do the Midwest.
Speaker 1: So Russell was telling me, oh, this is due too short,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, Bona macke I know about I
Speaker 1: know about short talk. So we go and our first
Speaker 1: show is, I don't know, somewhere blank, middle, middle of
Speaker 1: the country, somewhere. We get on stage and typical New Yorker.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows me, everybody knows third Days, right, You're thinking this,
Speaker 1: of course, because I'm from New York. Everybody else, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a factor. I don't go. There was New York
Speaker 1: and then the rest of the world. So we're in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, right, it's just it's just mountains
Speaker 1: and we're doing the show and Too Short loves all up. Yo,
Speaker 1: hey player, blah blah blah blah blah, player player, Yo,
Speaker 1: what up? Man? I go do your thing? Man, be
Speaker 1: on stage and watch you do your thing. Yo, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the crowd was there. They were like, you know,
Speaker 1: they were polite. You know, they were polite, and they
Speaker 1: kind of knew our records for you, you know, from
Speaker 1: BT and Young TV rep. Yo. I went out there,
Speaker 1: dance in my asshole, I'm grabbing girls, I'm dancing me
Speaker 1: and crowdstous game with us. So everybody, all the home
Speaker 1: boysn't out right right we leave, We're like, too short,
Speaker 1: crowd is going crazy. Even before he touches the stage,
Speaker 1: Too Short walked across the stage and went and that's
Speaker 1: all he did for forty five and annihilated us. Annihilated us.
Speaker 1: We got back to the bus, it was like three
Speaker 1: people there at his bus. It couldn't even leave. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, he must have this city on lock.
Speaker 1: We'll go to the next one. It was Oklahoma, same ship.
Speaker 1: I'm dancing. I mean, I'm now I'm doing the worm.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get yo. I'm I'm like, yo, I'm
Speaker 1: just just all this stuff hop through my leg? Can
Speaker 1: it play style? Like I'm fucking amped? Right, And that's
Speaker 1: when I knew. So there's two times when I knew
Speaker 1: that New York wasn't ship. That was a fact, but
Speaker 1: it is what it is. But the second one was
Speaker 1: when we went on the on the road public Enemy.
Speaker 1: So it's publicly Enemy, digital underground quin laity for native tongues. Right,
Speaker 1: we get down south and I used to love. What
Speaker 1: I used to of is I usaid, love to go
Speaker 1: to side of stage and see the lineup because it
Speaker 1: would usually be bah blah blah blah blah or Cane
Speaker 1: and then Cane and Public Enemy or third Base Public Enemy.
Speaker 1: We get down South Vanmouge blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: Third Base, Public Enemy, two Love Crew, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this's gotta be a problem here. And I go to Chuck.
Speaker 1: I said, Chuck the honest, they funked up the lineup.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, one, No, they didn't. I said, yeah
Speaker 1: they did, man, you're fucking public Enemy. He's like watch
Speaker 1: and I said, watch what fucking two Love Crew? They
Speaker 1: got one record? He says, search shut up and watch,
Speaker 1: and we got to the southe of the stage. We performed,
Speaker 1: crowd goes crazy. Public Enemy performs, crowd goes crazy, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden the cops come in. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, two Love Crew hits the
Speaker 1: stage and Luke says, hey, they ain't going out to
Speaker 1: say that works? Are you're gonna say him? Hey, we
Speaker 1: want to pose? And they didn't have to say one word.
Speaker 1: I never seen a dance like this in my life.
Speaker 1: The upper row they were doing like fucking musical chairs
Speaker 1: around chairs, fucking talle no. So they didn't even do
Speaker 1: they didn't even do the record. They didn't even do
Speaker 1: me so Hawny, they didn't even do that. Then he goes,
Speaker 1: they don't say word, so d dud, dude. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fund are working with these motherfucker's? Did I
Speaker 1: recognized never gonna hurt before they got to me, so
Speaker 1: harny and I just and I feel the tap on
Speaker 1: my shoulder and he turned around it's and it's chucked
Speaker 1: and he says, you always let the hottest group close.
Speaker 1: So fast forward. We're in Europe. We're doing Public Enemy
Speaker 1: Third Base World Tour. We have the number one record
Speaker 1: in the country of gas face. At the time, the
Speaker 1: Queen of England was trying to pass a law called
Speaker 1: the poll Tax p O L L Tax, and basically
Speaker 1: what it said was Pauliaman was trying and say, okay,
Speaker 1: every person in every household has to pay a flat
Speaker 1: tax pounds. Now, if you're a blue collar worker and
Speaker 1: you got mom, dad, two kids, ten thousand pounds forty
Speaker 1: thousand a year pounds, it's fine, it's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: But in the Trinity neighborhoods in Brixton and South London,
Speaker 1: you know, they had twelve people living under a roof
Speaker 1: Caribbean families. They couldn't afford that. Fucking yo. That's that's
Speaker 1: they don't They're not even bringing that home. It was
Speaker 1: civil unrest. I mean it was like black lives matter
Speaker 1: before black lives matter, I mean ash fucking barrels burning
Speaker 1: in the streets, no poll tax, all of that. We
Speaker 1: go to Brixton Academy, which is like the old one
Speaker 1: of the oldest theaters in London. In Brixton, I look
Speaker 1: at the public enemy third base right, So I'm like, okay, okay, okay, Flavor.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. So this is this old rickety
Speaker 1: building with the base the building shaking. Flavor gets on
Speaker 1: top of a six stacked set of speakers and doing
Speaker 1: his Flavor dance. And this thing is rocking like this
Speaker 1: like I thought he was gonna kill himself. Crowd is
Speaker 1: going crazy. Trainees Pepper had Caribbean heads. Everybody. It's in
Speaker 1: the middle of Brixton. I come on stage. We come
Speaker 1: on stage. Crowd goes crazy. Right, We're gonna end with
Speaker 1: gas face. Everybody m c search. I cut off the music.
Speaker 1: I said, yo, black Cat is bad and I'm screaming
Speaker 1: it as loud as I can. Black Cat is bad luck.
Speaker 1: Bad guys wear black. Must have been the same queen
Speaker 1: that set up the poll tax get the We couldn't
Speaker 1: even finish the song. They ran into the streets they
Speaker 1: I mean it was crazy. Next day London Times Third
Speaker 1: Base gives the queen the gas face crazy right, crazy.
Speaker 1: We tore the country. We come back. We do Wembley,
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand people. Biggest show I ever seen
Speaker 1: in my life. Well the tennis shit Wimbley, No, that's
Speaker 1: when that's Wembley. The thing this is Wibley Arena. All right,
Speaker 1: it's like a hundred sixty thousand people and it's now
Speaker 1: a third base and p that I go out there
Speaker 1: and we do gas and before my even verse comes on,
Speaker 1: the whole crowd black cat is bad luck. Bad guys
Speaker 1: were black must have been the same queen and set
Speaker 1: up the poll tech. Crowd went crazy. Crowd went crazy.
Speaker 1: I learned from from those guys that you always let
Speaker 1: the hottest group close. And when we went on tour
Speaker 1: on third days and we found out about Noughty and
Speaker 1: we found about Cyprus. When we were on the west coast,
Speaker 1: we let them close. Nordy, North Norton, Nordy on the
Speaker 1: east coast. Yeah, but they were the hottest on the west.
Speaker 1: It was hottest on the west. Okay, all right now,
Speaker 1: I also saw one thing too that you said you
Speaker 1: knew bush with Bill from bush Oh, yeah, from Brooklyn
Speaker 1: Busher Bills from Bushwick. Yeah, that's why they called him
Speaker 1: Bushwick Bill. I mean it makes sense. They were from Texas.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, DJ permitted from Texas to him. But
Speaker 1: he's from Brooklyn, now, yo. That fucked me up. As
Speaker 1: we see him with Jake friends, he's freaking move man,
Speaker 1: I'm from I didn't know it's different like I thought
Speaker 1: there was. It did make sense when you said it, right,
Speaker 1: but I was like, wait a minute, he's I thought
Speaker 1: they were all from Texas. Well they well they eventually
Speaker 1: worked from Texas. So you knew him from Brooklyn? How
Speaker 1: the fund did you meet Bushwick? Building? Just from being
Speaker 1: around the scene and broken, Like I told you, I'm
Speaker 1: the Forest Gump. I was everywhere, like I was working everywhere,
Speaker 1: So I met I met Bill Um when I was
Speaker 1: with the Bad Boys inspect the guy. You remember that record,
Speaker 1: So that they have to do is we're from bed Stide.
Speaker 1: The other dudes were from brown Will and we just
Speaker 1: bumped in the Bill and yeah, we just became cool.
Speaker 1: And then like maybe maybe six months a year, lady
Speaker 1: moved to Houston. Okay, bush your bills originally from Bushwick.
Speaker 1: That's why they call him bush Maybe that's why they traded.
Speaker 1: They traded Premier for Busher Bill. I don't know, hell
Speaker 1: of a trade. That's a hell of a trader's fucking
Speaker 1: great trades of me. Man it man, you let me
Speaker 1: tell you some legends, both legends. Man. I can't thank
Speaker 1: you so much. My brother like, um, wow, So do
Speaker 1: you know I was gonna ask you not to smoke
Speaker 1: weed here? Right? Yeah, it was gonna happen. No, I
Speaker 1: know that's but I just want to let you go
Speaker 1: to your face and I love you. Yeah, I let
Speaker 1: you to b and I hope we exchanged numbers and
Speaker 1: I hope we get to break. Yes. Listen, listen to me, bro.
Speaker 1: You are what we call a legend. You are what
Speaker 1: we call hip hop official or a person that stood
Speaker 1: with the test of time and it's still standing there.
Speaker 1: We want to tell you that to your face. We said,
Speaker 1: we talked about you like that when you're not around.
Speaker 1: We want to talk about you like that when you
Speaker 1: are around. The stories that like interviews. It was crazy
Speaker 1: because I just came from New York and I missed
Speaker 1: my flash supposed to go to l A and then
Speaker 1: come here. But it was great because I had I
Speaker 1: did two days study on you. So I'm just keep
Speaker 1: rolling up. I'm just keep rolling up, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out win and this will be
Speaker 1: my last question. That all right, Because when I couldn't
Speaker 1: look at people time capsule of this game, I canna
Speaker 1: say this, motherfucker hated hip hop here m hm. When
Speaker 1: I look at my own ship, oh, I know when
Speaker 1: I hated it. I look at other people ship, I
Speaker 1: know when they definitively I could not if you could
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, if there was ever a
Speaker 1: moment that you did just say, this is not what
Speaker 1: I signed up for. This is not what I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a part of. When I looked at the
Speaker 1: footage that is available and the Googles that is available,
Speaker 1: was there ever moment where he was just like, man,
Speaker 1: this is this is not it. This is not what
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of. All this is?
Speaker 1: Was there? Everyone? No? Never? No? This culture gave me everything. Okay,
Speaker 1: So was there any point you was disappointed? Yes? Tell
Speaker 1: me no one. Yes, When when Vnilis and Hammer were
Speaker 1: on the radio and all people respect that we're not
Speaker 1: on the radio. Um, that's that's that for me? Was
Speaker 1: harper um. You know. I always tried, and again I
Speaker 1: don't like to use finite words, but I'll use it here.
Speaker 1: I always tried my best two figure out how I
Speaker 1: can contribute the best way I could, even in building
Speaker 1: nonfiction and being a part of that and having a
Speaker 1: plan and going to Geffen and just saying, Hey, these
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be the Ramons of hip hop. Like
Speaker 1: I just knew it, Like I just knew that they
Speaker 1: didn't need radio to be millionaires and you know, sell
Speaker 1: millions of records and just building a studio with Necro
Speaker 1: and Ill Bill in the middle of Brooklyn and making music. Um. No,
Speaker 1: there's never been a term io hip hop everything. Um.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for this culture accepting me and allowing
Speaker 1: me to do what I do, Um, your girl would
Speaker 1: be telling me to go get a side seven shoot
Speaker 1: at North Room. Um. I everything that I've done in
Speaker 1: my in my career has been around the philosophy that
Speaker 1: I was taught in the culture peace, unity, love and
Speaker 1: having fun and the tenants of this culture. Um. Because
Speaker 1: you know, I come from a place where there was
Speaker 1: no term it's hip hop. I heard Graham Mix said
Speaker 1: dst say, just like you know, the term hip hop
Speaker 1: was a derogatory term. We didn't want it to be
Speaker 1: called that. When I was coming up, it was kids
Speaker 1: dancing in the street, writing their names on the walls,
Speaker 1: DJ and and parties and and rapping in in the
Speaker 1: street like there was no thing. I think the new
Speaker 1: York Times called it that, or The New Yorker. We
Speaker 1: don't want to call it that, but we adapted, right.
Speaker 1: I owe this culture everything. Then I don't know what
Speaker 1: I would I would be a shoe salesman. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I would be selling something, but I would not be
Speaker 1: where I am, and I would not be able to
Speaker 1: afford the life that I have, and I would not
Speaker 1: be able to afford the family that I have. UM
Speaker 1: but no, and I still look for new music, and
Speaker 1: I still love new talent, and I still try to
Speaker 1: find I still try to get up on ship before
Speaker 1: anybody else. I got a cool homeboys that we called
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hell, you up on Marcus Kraft, you
Speaker 1: up on blah blah blah. You know, I'm still that dude.
Speaker 1: I'm still that, you know, seventeen year old kids that
Speaker 1: instead of going an sol, instead of going to J
Speaker 1: and R Music World, instead of going to like, you know,
Speaker 1: whether the record spot was in every place in this country.
Speaker 1: I'm on the internet trying to find who's next, you know.
Speaker 1: Like when I heard J Cole's warm up, when I
Speaker 1: heard Lights Please, I said to my homeboy, I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: this kid is about to be the greatest one of
Speaker 1: the greatest lights. Please, if you haven't heard that record,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have or not. I would
Speaker 1: strongly suggest we spent some time with that record. But
Speaker 1: that what's what's your what's your favorite moment of hip
Speaker 1: hop without you? Without you participate in? Oh, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many bro um. The one that comes up
Speaker 1: to up to the one one of my favorites is
Speaker 1: krs at the Latin Quarter about to perform you know,
Speaker 1: the South Bronx And while he's on stage. Oh so,
Speaker 1: just so we're clear, I was the first person with
Speaker 1: scholar Rockney recent Peace. I was there when the first
Speaker 1: time that record ever got played in the club. So
Speaker 1: I'm watching Cares and Scott get on stage and Mellie
Speaker 1: mell comes behind him and wants to battle him, and
Speaker 1: mel pulls out a Hunted and from the stage it
Speaker 1: looked like it was a pretty crumpled hunted. And Chris
Speaker 1: said hunted and he turned to Scott and Scott handed
Speaker 1: him a band a thousand. He said, how about a
Speaker 1: thousand South Brons came on? It was a southron crowd
Speaker 1: went fucking ape ship and that was that was the record.
Speaker 1: The Queen's was not no, not not at all. It
Speaker 1: was just stating the fact it was not an mc
Speaker 1: shann I have pictures of and it's in Paradise's Book
Speaker 1: of Shannon and Cares hanging out together in the in
Speaker 1: the LQ. You know what I'm saying. And that's one
Speaker 1: of the things, like you when you talk about East
Speaker 1: West and you talk about this and that, like that's
Speaker 1: the streets that magnified that the hottest, even even Magic
Speaker 1: and read alber cool like they weren't. They didn't have
Speaker 1: beef with each other. We magnified that in the street.
Speaker 1: But that's one of my favorite that's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite memories of hip hop that I always that sticks
Speaker 1: with me. You know, Scottler Rock was like my big
Speaker 1: brother and uh and I was. I was at the
Speaker 1: I was there when Kay arrests and Ms Melody and
Speaker 1: Scotty Morris walked out of the Bronx hospital when they
Speaker 1: found out that he was brained it and they were
Speaker 1: just he just walked past me, he didn't even acknowledge
Speaker 1: me and kept numbling the same thing. We just got
Speaker 1: to move on. We just gotta move on. And Friday
Speaker 1: was the show with Malison Square Garden. Wow, I'm the
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