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Speaker 1: Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect

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Speaker 1: and I Heart Radio and his Drink chas motherfucking podcast.

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Speaker 1: He's a legendary queen's rapper, he said, is your boy

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Speaker 1: in O R. He's a Miami hippoper pioneer. Up is

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Speaker 1: d j e f N. Together they drink it up

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Speaker 1: with some of the biggest players in the most professional

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Speaker 1: unprofessional podcast. And you're number one sort for drunk is

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Speaker 1: New year Z do drink Champs Trink Up? Would it

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Speaker 1: could be hoping? This will should be? This your point

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Speaker 1: in O R? What up is d j e f N?

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Speaker 1: And this drink has motherfucking crazy, motherfucker hill the hour

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Speaker 1: and all that goddam makes up. It's lay right now

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Speaker 1: when you're looking at drink Champs and you say that

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Speaker 1: when we started this show for we said we wanted

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Speaker 1: to have a show that we, you know, salute our

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Speaker 1: legends and salute them now, not to salute them when

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Speaker 1: they in the coffin and all this. And when you

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Speaker 1: look at this brother that's to the left of me,

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Speaker 1: not only is he a queen's legend, he's a New

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Speaker 1: York City legend. Not only see a New York City legend.

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Speaker 1: He's a hip hip legend. He had stood by the

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Speaker 1: culture and put the culture on his back in many

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Speaker 1: different scenarios. I remember even had a daytime talk show.

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Speaker 1: I was watching that too. He was like the Jenny

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Speaker 1: Jones and he kept hip hop. He kept hip hop.

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Speaker 1: He was having to suit somebody keptin hipop. He's a

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Speaker 1: part of a legendary group. One of my favorite songs

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Speaker 1: of all times, get the gas Face. He a part

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Speaker 1: of that. He later on wanted to have a solo

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Speaker 1: career and then had success putting on want of arguably

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Speaker 1: the best mcs of old times. After that he went

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Speaker 1: on in and started doing radio. I heard he got

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Speaker 1: a podcast coming up now, books, all type of crazy shit, hustling,

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Speaker 1: even white wrapper shows. HM had to do with everything.

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Speaker 1: I can keep going. So in case if people don't

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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, we're talking about the motherfucking

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Speaker 1: hen see mother Side. You are truly all around hustle. Hey,

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Speaker 1: when you're from far rockaway Queens. When they guy wanted

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Speaker 1: to do it, goddamn makes its out to get it.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get it how you get it, you know.

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Speaker 1: But I hold you uh flowers because I'm able to

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Speaker 1: do my podcast because it's a success that you've had it,

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Speaker 1: so we're able to you know, create you know the

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Speaker 1: time this podcast company because of the successful peopack What's

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Speaker 1: the Beautiful Thing especial that once again you know you

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Speaker 1: ain't drinking the search is how we do. Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: must bother you prefer I drink. Um. This is Champaigne.

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Speaker 1: Go on, and I see that, I think you should

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Speaker 1: go with the rose Rose. We're gonna be gold after this.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's let's take it from the beginning, right

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Speaker 1: the beginning, when hip hop first came on the scene. Um,

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Speaker 1: you started out as a third basis that well, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I was I was a solo battle MC. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: when I um, when I was coming up, um, you

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Speaker 1: know it was it was just so you gotta imagine

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Speaker 1: taking the A train from far rockaway. So when I

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Speaker 1: went to high school, uh, music and art on a

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Speaker 1: hundred content that's okay, yeah yea. So my favorite group

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Speaker 1: that I heard in the street on those cassette tapes

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Speaker 1: was a group called the Kango Crew. For MCS had

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Speaker 1: little skits that they would do around like uptown and

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Speaker 1: all of that hill billy girl Indian girl like funnition

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Speaker 1: and it was, you know, four dudes. And I went

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Speaker 1: to my first day at high school and I went

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Speaker 1: to the lunch room and I see the cipher in

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Speaker 1: the lunch room ain't giving the regular cups, Mrs Mr

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Speaker 1: Lee get a regular cup head. And I see these

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Speaker 1: dudes running around the lunch table. So I go stand

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Speaker 1: on the lunch table and I see these four dudes

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Speaker 1: and they're doing the routine. And then they got old

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Speaker 1: and matching colored canoes. They got to the teamers shirts.

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Speaker 1: And the dude that was next to me was like

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Speaker 1: we had a big brother, Big Sister program where a

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Speaker 1: freshman and a senior would walking around the school. So

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Speaker 1: my man, Steve Bosco, may rest in peace. I turned

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Speaker 1: to him and I said, Yo, they're doing the Can't

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Speaker 1: Go Crew and he said, mother Funker, that is they

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Speaker 1: can't Go cruise and the imps. Because I've never seen

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Speaker 1: rappers in person and all heard was the fourth and

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Speaker 1: fifth generation cassette tapes. I've never seen him in person.

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Speaker 1: I just knew the dude's names. Where you start strugging, please, man,

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Speaker 1: I never seen a star in my life like that

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Speaker 1: became Sliquid. It was Dana Dane who became Send a

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Speaker 1: Fella Day to Day, and their homeboys Lands Romance and

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Speaker 1: Omega and yeah, and then they stopped doing that, and

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Speaker 1: this record called Lotti Dotty I've never heard before your

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Speaker 1: Lotti Dotti before Lotti Dottie Eva came out in eighty five.

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Speaker 1: And this is a fact though, I'm gonna tell you.

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Speaker 1: I was so enamored with it that when I went

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Speaker 1: back around my way, I knew nobody heard it. So

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Speaker 1: I started saying them rhymes like they were mine. Press girl,

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Speaker 1: they don't have. So record comes out and I'm at

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Speaker 1: McDonald's and Linbrook coming out of Hot Skates and the

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Speaker 1: record comes on regular plays it because you know Kiss

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Speaker 1: FM they had then, you know shows Friday Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: And the girl that was Dan's Dominican chick who would

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Speaker 1: counter and she goes, oh, oh, there's Ricky de Dominican

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Speaker 1: that indoctrination and watching the dudes, like right next to

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Speaker 1: it was this dude, Jay Cool, and Jay Cool and

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Speaker 1: his brother formed the Frustra mcas And before I left

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Speaker 1: high school, I'm here in for e s H Fresh

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Speaker 1: Fresh Fresh, yoh, that's fresh pumpkin and all stars. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was having um o c and Crazy Yetti would

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Speaker 1: come into my school dating this girl in the show

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Speaker 1: that they had a record called Problems Every World Today.

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Speaker 1: Like so I'm like seventeen years old and I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 1: like I can do this, and my man mathematics and understanding,

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Speaker 1: We're like, no, you can watch it. You can't be

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Speaker 1: a part of this. You're a white boy, You're a devil.

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Speaker 1: You could, you could, you could, you could come to

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Speaker 1: the dinner table. Wasn't the beastie boys out? Like no,

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Speaker 1: high school. So I actually graduated high school with Mark

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Speaker 1: Pitts changing faces. So so I knew I could do it.

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Speaker 1: five boroughs, and they were moving their little thing things

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Speaker 1: because one of the as I learned early on was

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Speaker 1: like when when people started battle rhyman, they all had

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Speaker 1: my thing. Like I'm I'm a freestyle I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna come off the top of my head and

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Speaker 1: be just as good and better, good, better, because i

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Speaker 1: had to be ten times better because I'm the only

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Speaker 1: saw up the park. Terms as the police, I was

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Speaker 1: would set up these battles for me, and I would

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Speaker 1: and as soon as I came up the subway steps,

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Speaker 1: whatever little money was being beat. As soon as they

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Speaker 1: were like, oh that's MC search the money with triple like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh no, we got him, We got him,

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Speaker 1: got them guys, Hold on, hold is this what as like,

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Speaker 1: white man can't jump like man like you? And I

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Speaker 1: can't don't like white hell like Let's this error is

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Speaker 1: heavily infused by which was which? So I don't want

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Speaker 1: no The only white boy ever saw Ron ever was

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Speaker 1: this kid, Lord Scotch A. K. Blake who now writes

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Speaker 1: KO like he was the first white rapper ever. So

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Speaker 1: starts a hundred two hundred three SID to be decipher

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Speaker 1: and these dudes would start beating beatboxing and ron and

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Speaker 1: for the dude in the project, so whoever Vandam and

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Speaker 1: Moss wherever wherever they were from, and they were battedly.

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Speaker 1: But there was all pre written rounds so it was

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Speaker 1: usually always two rounds. It never went three. It was

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Speaker 1: dude said to me, I went over my head. I

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Speaker 1: clown them. That was my first move. Freesty was there

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Speaker 1: pre written for you? They so right. And not only that,

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Speaker 1: the other thing that was crazy is because I went

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Speaker 1: I'll be like, no, no, no no, I'm gonna go acapella

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Speaker 1: and they'd be like, yo, what do you mean you're

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Speaker 1: going on Acapulca? What you're talking about? I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't need no beat acapella, right, So I would

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Speaker 1: the train, like I'm right by the train. So the

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Speaker 1: white kid neither though, that's really don't want that to happen,

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Speaker 1: but take it back. But but but then the other thing,

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Speaker 1: the stick up kids are like, whatever he gets, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get it back anyway. Right, So that's that's the heat.

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Speaker 1: That's what you gotta imagine. The temperatures like going up.

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Speaker 1: So right, um so now the second one, whatever he

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Speaker 1: says to me, I'm taking all his words against him.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you said this, but you should have

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Speaker 1: said this. So now I'm gonna turn around and make

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Speaker 1: it a dis and dismiss everything you just said. Right,

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Speaker 1: And now they're like, you know how to go, you know,

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Speaker 1: so my man. So they would then pass the money

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Speaker 1: to me, and as soon as I got the money,

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Speaker 1: I would dip back to the train before the stick

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Speaker 1: was going but just one pidgeon dead away, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we had to get one. And my boys were smart

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Speaker 1: like that, like they're going about it at the time.

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Speaker 1: We're like, you know, this is gonna be a problem,

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna sun with my two boys. Because

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Speaker 1: then they were sucked up the train right, like they

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Speaker 1: didn't want the money to stop. So it was, it

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Speaker 1: was what it was. So this one time, that's one time.

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Speaker 1: I'm laughing, but it's nothing funny, just one time. So

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Speaker 1: won't take any advance. I'll make sure you get the

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00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: best deal in the world. And then on your publishing,

425
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: I won't take any publishing. Let's take a five percent

426
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: admin fee, which means I'll help to publisher administer your

427
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: publishing to make sure people don't use your ship in

428
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: the wrong way. So you're taken care of and you'll

429
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: keep all your ship. And he's the one page agreement.

430
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: He goes, all right, I gotta think about it because

431
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: he's seventeen years old, you know. So he's like so

432
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's never coming. He's not, like

433
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: even I knew, like in ninety three is gonna be

434
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: the greatest m C of R of all time? And

435
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: you know this of a one verse off of one

436
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 1: verse and that one verse one on credits at laugh

437
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: at the barbecue. Let me put it this way. When

438
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: I heard see Ann's first album, no not, I need you.

439
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: I need you to hear this. I need you to

440
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: hear it, need to get it. When I heard the

441
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: war report and I got a call from the Levine

442
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: to war, what I did it for free? I worked

443
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: that records free. Give you know what I'm saying. So

444
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: the next so the next day, I'm in the studio

445
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: working on back to the Grill again. Na shows up

446
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: a jungle broblem. They throw four blunts on the table

447
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: and he says, explain this to me. So I said,

448
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: this is how it go this is how it's gonna work.

449
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: This is how it goes down. I'm gonna shop your deal.

450
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to you know those guys. I'm

451
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: gonna make sure that they do the right thing if

452
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: that's what you want to beat. But if they don't faith.

453
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: This is before faith. This is stretched on strong and

454
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: Rob and reef at Big Beat who offered him to

455
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: deal first, that's the deal. He felt funny about that

456
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: Big Beat right to me right now, I'm not moving

457
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: got because but who's that Big Beat At the time,

458
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: just to understand that stretch, you said, stretch Stef Craig

459
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: Cowmen was he had of big it was his labels.

460
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: He's not an Atlantic, it's part of the Atlantic system,

461
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: but he is. He's got his own imprint. He put

462
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: out the double x posse. He was putting out the

463
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: artifacts with Reef who had signed those groups, and they

464
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: were going to sign NAS. So we we we just

465
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: get to smoke in and chilling, and then he says,

466
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a funk with you signs the paper.

467
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: The next day I go to a Reef and Stretch

468
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: and I said, guys, the deal you offered him is

469
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: the same deal that I signed in It's not it's

470
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: not a good deal. It's he's the greatest m C

471
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: of all time. You know. You don't even need to

472
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: hear anything else. Right, And Reef and Stretch fell some

473
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: type of way about it, and I understand that they're like, yeah,

474
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: why you getting involved? And I said, look, he asked

475
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: me for my help. When you guys left, he asked

476
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: me for my help. I saw it. The deal. It's

477
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: the same deal that I fucking signed to deaf Cham

478
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: in eight which to this day in I've never seen

479
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: a check, I've never seen a royalty statement, I've never

480
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: seen publishing. I never got shipped from fucking left hand records,

481
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: I mean deaf jam records, right. So I said, I

482
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: can't let him sign this deal. Just tell just make

483
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: the deal right. And they said, well, how do you

484
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: make the deal right? I said, removed the publishing when

485
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: if you want to sign his publishing, that's a separate deal.

486
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: Bumped this up, bumped that up. I stayed there for

487
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: about five hours because they were my man, that's my friends.

488
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: And finally Craig Common through those guys, said we're not

489
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: changing the deal. I went to Russell next move. I

490
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: went to his apartment on four and broke. Russell says

491
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: to me, he sounds like g Rapp and g rapped

492
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: on selling no records. So I'm not interested. Gone. I

493
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: went to Columbia and I went to Faith. Faith didn't

494
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: let me leave. He signed an amazing deal. And then

495
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: once I left that deal, I went to Zamba Publishing

496
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: because I had a great relationship with Richard Blackstone who

497
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: was the head. And Zomba is just correct me from wrong,

498
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: isn't that drive right? So job is the record labels.

499
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: So I went up to them and they said, how

500
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: many songs are you gonna have on the album? I said,

501
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: probably twelve, right, He said, well, you know he's only

502
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: get paid on ten. I said, okay, fine, But they

503
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: gave me a check for Naza. I went to forty

504
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: side because one thing Nah said to me. I said,

505
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: what do you want? He said, all I want is

506
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: to get my mother out the projects. He said, if

507
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: you can help me get my mother out the projects,

508
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: we could. I went to see him with two checks,

509
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: with three hundred thousand. I said, move him about the projects.

510
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: And Amatic was was born from that day. But it

511
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: was like after the end, one more noise made the

512
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: library of converts. I'll tell all right, So now you

513
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: get the chat, right, you guys get the chat all right? Now,

514
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: how does the actual making of ill Matic start? Because

515
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: when we google you, they credit you for a second producer.

516
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: It was written correct, all right, So let's just stay

517
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: on ill mad. So it was really simple. My my

518
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: role was really simple, make everything easy for naz all I.

519
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: Obviously I could not help him make a record, like

520
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous, right, It's like a blind man helping Picassa.

521
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't gonna happen. So all I know, I could

522
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: do really is and I like it. I'm still at

523
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: MC don't get it up. So my job was simple.

524
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: Whatever the producers made, I made sure that the samples

525
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: were cleared period. Okay, search, I just want to stop

526
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: you for one second, because you know, when I say

527
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, I said you know a lot of times

528
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: I say you know. Farrell came to me and I

529
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: just knew this guy was going to be the next

530
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: next guy. I just knew it. And it's easy for

531
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: me to say, but you gotta. I want you to

532
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: really break it down for people that who who will

533
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: never actually vision visualize the actual time era because Russell

534
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: said something to you that's very vital to this conversation. Okay,

535
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: is at that time lyrics or you were the dopest guy,

536
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: but you might not necessarily be the richest guy. So

537
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: how does this process start of this illmatic and and

538
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: and what role was playing that? So one thing I

539
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: told young artists all the time is that the most

540
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: important part of the journey when you sign a contract

541
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: is in the advance, how many points you get from

542
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: your record. NAS's first album, he had the same points

543
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: as Billy Joel, and Billy Joel had been an artist

544
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: for twenty years. Because I wanted to make sure that

545
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: he was protected. I also made sure that the recording

546
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: budget was really low so he wouldn't have any recoupment

547
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: recoup right, But I also for people who don't know

548
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: what that meaning, he wouldn't owe a lot before his

549
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: money off the album, I have to recoup everything spent

550
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: on that. And he said it was important for them

551
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: for you to get all the samples cleared. People still

552
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: caring a lot of samples, which was ruining their careers

553
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: as well. Why I've never seen a check from a

554
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: third base record because back then when they you sample,

555
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: they would take a hundred percent and you're publishing. They

556
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: didn't care if he was even paying them or was

557
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: it like that. Well, if you didn't clear it, they

558
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: could do whatever they want when they come back in court.

559
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: That's what they're doing now. That's what these young motherfucker's

560
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: is doing now, like they just sailing ship, getting court

561
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: and say just take the ship. But back then they

562
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: were at least trying to take Well, we tried, we tried,

563
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: but with with us it was different. With us, it

564
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: was and when I say us was a team, it

565
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: was my man's sake. Ak Mark Pearson, I gotta give

566
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: him his flowers because I don't think he gets enough recognition.

567
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: He was my GM at Searchlight. I mean so like

568
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: Mark ran day to day. So Rights was never signed

569
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: to Wow Pitch. It was search Light he was running.

570
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: He was signed to Searchlight Columbia, but for all intended

571
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: purpose it was Columbia. We were just the production company.

572
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: So if you see the first print, it says executive

573
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: producer Faith Newman MC search There's a little Searchlight production

574
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: logo on the bottom, but it wasn't our label. So

575
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: I want to make sure all the samples were cleared.

576
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: So anytime Primo did a record, anytime any of the

577
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: other producers did a record, I said, give me all

578
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: the sample Clarence Information right, cleared, all the samples, got

579
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: it all done, all under budget. Everything was done. When

580
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: the album came out April, that first week we did

581
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty five thousand albums. Week one. Nas

582
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: was a millionaire week one. He's never he's never had

583
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: an unrecouped week in his fucking career ever. Ever. Now,

584
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: the other side of that, the unfortunate side, is O

585
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: C which is a story I've never told That's why

586
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: I actually, that's like it was like O C and NAS.

587
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: It was almost like some would argue that even at

588
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: one point O C was the go to god. That's

589
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: why I actually it felt like you sign O C first,

590
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: but you you had no no, no, I did sign

591
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: O C first. Can I got him his deal when

592
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: I went to Wild Pitch. Okay, so now let's take

593
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: it from so with O SE when we signed those

594
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: see the Wild Pitch we had Wild Pitcher was going

595
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: through e M. I right, I was no longer gonna

596
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: make records with Third Base. I'd already put out my indie,

597
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: my independent record and not solo record, sorry, solo record

598
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: with Death Champ. My wife and I we're gonna have

599
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: our first child. A third Base is on CBS, right,

600
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: it was on Def Champ, Sony, Def Jam, CBS whatever.

601
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: It was, Death Champ. So I did my solo record.

602
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: It did, it did okay. We did about four hundred

603
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: thousand copies. We had two number one records. It was okay,

604
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't terrible. It was okay. Um, but I took

605
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: a lot of money off the table on that deal

606
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: because I never got shipped from Russell before, so I

607
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I kicked off right. So when

608
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: I made the decision to go to Wild Pitch, I said,

609
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: I gotta bring Old with me. So my deal with

610
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: Wild Pitch was I'm gonna have Oh with me and

611
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna make his first album OH with With Nas,

612
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: Nas knew what he wanted, he did what he did,

613
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: and it was done. There was some you know, like

614
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: there was some really cool moments during that time, like

615
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: me driving him to Mount Vernon forty times to go

616
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: get a hundred tracks from Pete and they finally settled

617
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: on that. But for the most part, like with Cute

618
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: Cute Tip, it was one and done. Primo was you know,

619
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: it was really just simple. It was simple Elios. It

620
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: was in his backyard. Like whatever they did, they did,

621
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, it was all of that. And it was

622
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: easy with Old s O. See would bring me track

623
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: after track after track, and I'd be like, nope, nope,

624
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: because for me, as a guy who loves hip hop

625
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: and had the real privilege, like and it's I say

626
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: it as a privilege like I was the Forest Gump

627
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: of hip hop at one point, like anything that ever

628
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 1: happened from like nineteen five to whatever. I was there.

629
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: I was there when Scotlar Rock died. I was there

630
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: when k R. S And Milly Mel battled in the

631
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: land Quarter. I was. I mean, I was there at

632
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: every juncture of I was there when Public Enemy got

633
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: booed off the stage of land Quarter in a year

634
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: later came back with Rebel out of pause, Like I mean,

635
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: I was. I was there, Like I was, you know

636
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, yeah, yeah, I was. You know,

637
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: I was there. Um. I was there when g Rap

638
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: told me there was a kid in in in left

639
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: rack a k I Rap him and his man we're

640
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: coming together with a group. I was there because he

641
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: lived around the corner and had an artist named white Boy.

642
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: So I was just the farest gump of hip hop.

643
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: I was everywhere right so with Oh, he'd make a

644
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: song after song after song, and I say, no, we're

645
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: not ready. It's not ready. You're not ready, It's not ready.

646
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: And it got to a point when we almost, like

647
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, we would almost get two fisticuffs

648
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: on the roof of Wild Pitch, where I thought every time,

649
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: like I might get thrown off the roof or he

650
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: might get thrown off the roof like but I said, please,

651
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: I said, oh, just trust me, trust me. When you

652
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: make the right record, we'll know and everything else will happen.

653
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: Please believe me. I'm in my office. Oh comes in.

654
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: He's dead silent, and he pushes me out of the

655
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: way from and I'm like, oh, here we go, And

656
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: I said oh, and he said and he pressed a

657
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: dat player and he put in at that time, hilarious

658
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: is hard car? And my hands have grown like yo,

659
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: And I went, I lost, and in my office went,

660
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, what's going there? I mean? And we

661
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: hugged and he said one, We're done. And two weeks

662
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: later Word Life was done. Two weeks everything came with

663
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: no main topic, everything everything. What year was that record?

664
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: When Yo, let me tell you something. I don't know

665
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: where I'm at in the world, but to have his

666
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: hip hop bro. When that I got a call from

667
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: Flex at the tunnel. I'm in bed with my wife

668
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: and my newborn. If you look at the O C

669
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: album Word Life, on the bottom left corner, there's a

670
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: baby in a in a cat in a bastonet with

671
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: light shining on it. That's my daughter. It's my oldest daughter.

672
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: I get a call at midnight. It's Flex from the

673
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: ton on come now, and my wife's like, you ain't

674
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: going nowhere. I'm like, Flex just called me to the tunnel.

675
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm gone. Like I said, I love you, honey. You

676
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: and I will we will work on our relationship. But

677
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: I and I've boogied. I mean I boogied to the tunnel.

678
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: And from my house to the tunnel it was like

679
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: twenty three minutes. I got them seventeen. By the grace

680
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: of the most high. There was parking right on the block.

681
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: I screwed up. I cut through the line. Jessica lets

682
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: me through. I get to the DJ booth, gives me

683
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: a hug, he goes watch whatever he was playing, took

684
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: off and the whole crowd. There are times and Davey

685
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: Chris May Rest in Peace, grabs me. He goes, I

686
00:38:53,320 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: need to manage Josie. Right at that time, there was this,

687
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: this was the parallel. There was baby Chris May Rest

688
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: in Peace and he had violator. So yeah, defin it

689
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: was Puff with Big and Craig and it was me

690
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: with Nz and O C. And that was that was

691
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: the That was the trifector in New York. That was

692
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: the trilogy Chris had. Chris had violator, so he had

693
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: he had bust up and he had you know, so scenario,

694
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: he had tribed, he had you know basically basically, but

695
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: he was and he was the go to manager. Puff

696
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: was the go to producer, and I was a go

697
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: to executive production company. And that's what we were, right,

698
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: and that's how we kind of had this thing. The

699
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: problem was I had oh sign to the wrong label.

700
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: And the other problem was I was a twenty four

701
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: year old who didn't know shit about being an executive.

702
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: And while Chris had Leore and Russell and James Cruz

703
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: and Puff had Andre Horrell and this one now one,

704
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: I had nobody, And I was making decisions, making grown

705
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: man decisions as a fucking child, because I'm just happy.

706
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be making music. I'm just happy

707
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: being able to feed my family and just being able

708
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: to do what I love. Like I don't know what

709
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: the funk I'm doing right, But I know radio, right,

710
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: so I know that part and I and I and

711
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: I know music, but everything else I didn't know anything.

712
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything, and that's how I kind of

713
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: that's that's where this fell and NASA's deal was I

714
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna do a long term deal with NASA. Wasn't

715
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: set like that, and I didn't want me to do

716
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: a long term It was get him right, do it

717
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: was written. I didn't want to have my name on

718
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: it was written, but I took care of all the

719
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: business and that was it right. So that was that,

720
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: and then Wild Pitch folded. And as soon as it folded,

721
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: I met Mark Echo and I started building Echo Unlimited

722
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: with more part of the beginning of the of the

723
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: clothing line as well. I did all the marketing and

724
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: promotion for Echo Unlimited at the beginning. When I met Mark,

725
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: Mark was doing shirts on away and it was ill Bill,

726
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: my man who we later did not fiction together, who

727
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: said to me, you know, there's this dude. He did

728
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: the shirts. You should check them out. He needs help.

729
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: It's that Go Unlimited. So we went from ninety five

730
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: doing I don't know, a couple of hundred thousand a

731
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: year to when I left, we were at nine fifty

732
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: seven million a year. You know how it turned into

733
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: complex media and yeah, and and and I was so

734
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: thankful that Mark allowed me to see that, like to

735
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: watch that he let me watch Complex grow. I'm I'm

736
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: dear friends with Richard Sinello and all the guys up there. Um.

737
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: I even got a little clock made out of me

738
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: and we when we did the Madden two thousand on

739
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: the on the mat, the Echo team on on that team,

740
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: so on the team. So yeah, I know, I know.

741
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: Um so it's like you know, so I was one

742
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: of these guys that I was fortunate enough that I

743
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: was everywhere and I had the history of radio because

744
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: when we were coming up, we were basically told, look,

745
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: if you some fucking white boys that are getting on

746
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: black radio, you better know every black program director forward

747
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: and backwards right because they weren't playing hip hop during

748
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: the day, not even on on Kiss nothing. So I

749
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: had to learn all of that. I had to learn

750
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: who these people were, and I learned them, and now

751
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: he did I learned them, but I appreciated them. So

752
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: the first radio station even't went to to pitch my

753
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: record step into the AM was Helen Little at d

754
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: A S. And Wes Johnson at the time was the head.

755
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: So you had to work your own records. Yeah, yeah,

756
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: how to work I mean work them. So I'm about

757
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: to break it down. So when we went to see

758
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: Helen Little at d A S and Philly Shout out

759
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: to Philly Um. She was the first woman in urban

760
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: radio to run a group. D A S was like

761
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: a group. And when I went in there, I started

762
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: telling her about her history, started telling her how I

763
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: knew how she came up. I knew what she did

764
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: because I went to the New York Public Library and studied.

765
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: There's no fucking Google. Fucking Google. You know, Google was

766
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: something of baby man. That was a noise of baby man.

767
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. There was no fucking Internet.

768
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean it was me going to the but I

769
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: knew them about it. And my favorite story is, so

770
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: we I went in there for forty five minutes. When

771
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: I left, West Wind in there five minutes, comes out

772
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: and this is like a corporate urban station, and West

773
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: West Johnson a rest in peace was He was like

774
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: a mixture between Jim Brown and Don King. He like,

775
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: there's six seven and he goes, let me, I don't

776
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: want to see you in the fucking back of the

777
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: station right now. And I'm sure I'm fucking six one

778
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: two fifteen. He's fucking six six three something, And he

779
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: says to me, meet me by the dumpsters. You know

780
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: what that means? And I just said, and he pulls

781
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: me in there and he goes, I want to know

782
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: everything you just said to Helen Little. I want to

783
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: know every fucking thing you just said. So my voice

784
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: goes up about ten octaves and I run down everything.

785
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: He goes. He goes, let me tell you something, and

786
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: tell you something, a little fucking white boy, let me

787
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: tell you something. I got public Enemy, I got LLL

788
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: cool J, I got Slick Rick. You know what the

789
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: funk you just did to me? He was, I gotta

790
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: go back there. Tell them black artists, you're the first

791
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: fucking rapper on def jam and have full time rotation

792
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: on fucking d as. Whatever the funk you just did

793
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: in there, you're gonna do it at every other station

794
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: we go. We're going to Philly, We're going to Baltimore

795
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: next uh. And I had to learn all those dudes,

796
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: and he benefited. But I mean, man, I didn't know

797
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: there's a rumor or not. But you wrote on Baby Kids,

798
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: I wrote. I wrote five four songs on Baby Kids.

799
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: The soundtrack I wrote, I wrote, I wrote the Jefferson song.

800
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: I wrote the Money song. Yeah, I wrote all of that. Yeah,

801
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: I wrote all of that. So you got to meet

802
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: um the late grade. No No, I actually was connected

803
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: to a friend of mine, Bill Stephanie. He was executive

804
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: producer of the music soundtrack, and he's like, yeah, I

805
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: need you to write How was that cool? You know

806
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: baby Kids one of my favorite car No. But but

807
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: that was also the funny thing was when I was

808
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: in the middle of my kind of transition out of

809
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: out of hip hop, people like Barry Weiss, you know,

810
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: they would say, Hey, if you're ever done rapping, come

811
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: work for my promotion department. Do promo. So when I

812
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: went back to Deaf Jam, I wasn't Deaf Jam as

813
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: an artist. I went there as running the HR department,

814
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: and when I left there, I started working records and

815
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: when the first records I worked was Nori's Records, but

816
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: also search like promotion. I think of every hip hop

817
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: record that it came out of a label we worked.

818
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: So now let me fast forward. You work with as

819
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: you do this as a j actually have this moment

820
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: against each other, and Jay uses you as a punchline.

821
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 1: He says, I know who I pay God like publishing. Yeah,

822
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: he said, but you weren't getting paid dog, you were

823
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: getting fucked. Then I know who I paid dogs Search Publishing.

824
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: So the story, the true story about that, it's really crazy.

825
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. It's a great story. Yeah.

826
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: So I'm the head of hr at Deaf Jam and uh,

827
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: they're about to put out that reasonable is doubt and

828
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: Kareem I think it was Kareem. It was either Kareem

829
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: Dame and Jay or Dame and j come to my

830
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: office and said, hey, you gotta clear this sample, this

831
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: dead president sample take care of us. I said, okay,

832
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: no problem, give me, but just know we're gonna have

833
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: the sending a record on the publishing. He was like,

834
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: all right, cool, that was it. He gave me a

835
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: check for I delivered it to Zombo. But if you

836
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: look at the loner notes on dead Presidents, nas is

837
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: one of the publishers. So I said, yeah, that line

838
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: can live as much as it lives. But Jay don't

839
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: own a piece of Naz's catalog. But Nazzos and piece

840
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,959
Speaker 1: of Jay's catalog. And that's a fact. Though we didn't

841
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: know that. We didn't because we thought like when he

842
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: said that stas like publishing, that um that he was

843
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: meaning that that nasn't have none of his public no no, no, no,

844
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: no no no. I have a yeah, I have a

845
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: five percent admin fee, which I'm like to this day

846
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: on those two albums. I just make sure like things

847
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 1: like if NAS wants to do it, I just signed off.

848
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: I said, like for me, like, when I think about

849
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: being a production company, right, I think there's two trains.

850
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: I thought. Train one is the artists ain't ship and

851
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: the production company makes all the money. Right. What a

852
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: second train is the artist saint ship and I'm gonna

853
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: figure out how to jerk the artist. That's most of

854
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: how hip hop is running their production companies. I had

855
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: a third training train of thought, which was I wasn't

856
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: gonna be the jew to take take advantage of a

857
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: black man, so I don't need to get wealthy off No,

858
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: and I don't. My checks are very humble, and I'm

859
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: okay with that because they're gonna go for the rest

860
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: of my life. You know, when you think about streaming today, right,

861
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: and you think about all Mattic, Allmatic stremes four hundred

862
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: million a year to this day, I get my fair share.

863
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: I don't get more than I deserve. I don't get

864
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: less than I deserve. I get exactly what the contract says,

865
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: in fact, and I'll keep it a buck with all

866
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: of y'all. Two thousand seven, I get a letter from Sony.

867
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: They say, oh, we we overpaid you, so you're not

868
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: gonna be getting a check. And my lawyer goes, O,

869
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna sue and us. We're not gonna let it rock.

870
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: We'll work eventually. We're really cool. And we did took

871
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: like ten years because I don't give a fuck. What

872
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: was the basis of them saying they overpaid. They said

873
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: that the Artists royalty that I got paid was congruent

874
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: with what NAS was supposed to get paid. So I

875
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: essentially got NAS royalties, but NAS didn't. It wasn't minus

876
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: roll off nazis ship. They basically paid like it was

877
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: like double dipping. So they paid me exactly what they're

878
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: paying NAZ. But it wasn't accurate either, because the fact

879
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: of the matter is NAS was that like X amount

880
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: of points and I was at three. So that was

881
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: the only correction we told them, And after they made

882
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: that correction, they fixed it. We kept it moving. It

883
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: was done when and done, but it took like ten years.

884
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: For me to ever see another check and again, I'm

885
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: okay with that because to me, the ability to earn

886
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: isn't about one thing, right I learned a long time ago.

887
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: It's not the strong who survives. It's a flexible right.

888
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: So I would much rather fight Mike Tyson and a

889
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: yogi because Yogi's gonna bend me up in fucking ways

890
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: that I'm never gonna get fixed again. At least with Mike.

891
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: I know when it's coming, I see the punch coming.

892
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna get Yogi yoga like a yoga person,

893
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: the guy who's like con bending, because if he like

894
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: he fucking grabs you like Yogi grabbs you, bro, and

895
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: he starts he knows how to bend up yo, you

896
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: might get fucked up for life. At least if Mike

897
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: hits you, you won't be in pain. Let's be real clear.

898
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: You want to be in pain, but you're going to

899
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: be able to recover. But if if a Yogi bend

900
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: you in a way, your body might never recover. So

901
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: I say, I would much rather be flexible. I much

902
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: I much rather be like water than be like a

903
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 1: fucking wall. But did you receive like like slack because

904
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: of that, because a lot of people, like I said,

905
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people took it as search as publishing. No,

906
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: in fact, it was the exact opposite. Whenever that fucking

907
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: verse came on in the club. But I would get loved,

908
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: like because my name got mentioned. People didn't even realize

909
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: what it meant. They were like, oh ship, not Jay

910
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: mentioned Search. That's crazy. So you're sure he never got

911
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: nothing bad, like even from like naas campus. It's all

912
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: love all the time, you know, even like if you

913
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: think about all the times NASA has mentioned me on

914
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: his records, there's like seven records where he mentioned like

915
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: our friendship or how I did him right, you know

916
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he's never once said anything bad

917
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: about me because he has no reason because I treated

918
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: him like a grown ass man. I treated him like

919
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: a professional, and I treated his music like a business,

920
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: so that he would never have to worry, and his

921
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: daughter would never have to worry. His daughter and my

922
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: daughter same age, they were born a month apart. His

923
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: daughter and my daughter never have to worry. God dare

924
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: to make some noise for that. So did you ever

925
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: repair the beef with mc hammer? He gave him the

926
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 1: gas face. Yeah, no, no, we never I've never listened

927
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: to the gas face again. And he's his might have

928
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: been the harshest gas face. He gave out something, he

929
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: put out a hit on you or something. Yeah, but

930
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: I worry And who the hell is l worry? Calling

931
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: that was legal? Why does everywhere? Oh not? Because we

932
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: just wanted to make We wanted to make fun of.

933
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. So I've been in recovery now

934
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: to be ten yars, right, So one of the things

935
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: that I'm coming up to in nine years of recovery

936
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: is making amends. And you know, you gotta make amends

937
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, can I see from the outside looking in?

938
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: But then I want you to continue to make your amends.

939
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: But I looked at it again today and I no,

940
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: one just said this earlier, but I want to just

941
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: be ere that ry. I think his might have been

942
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: the most harsh gas space because you pay his glasses

943
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: and the AMMA yeah thing. Then you had a guy

944
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: walked through that that was the two big ms. See

945
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: that was his COVID. But no, but the point is, okay,

946
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: what happened, Well, the point was that he disc roun

947
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: DMC and and for me, being a queen's kid and

948
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: having jam Master Jay May Rest in Peace put me

949
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: in the game. It was unforgivable, Like it was unforgivable,

950
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: but it was an MC thing. It wasn't a person

951
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: a clue. What do we think about? How but that's

952
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: not like but that's not that's not put the hit

953
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: out on us. He put Yeah, he put the head

954
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: out on it. Put the hit out on us. Because

955
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: my old partner on the Cactus record, which was a

956
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: song on the album Hamma's Record, was plea turned his

957
00:53:46,840 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: mother outright. My my old rom and partner said that

958
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: the Cactus our album, the Cactus turned Hammer's mother out right.

959
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: But that and let's be real clear about two things.

960
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: Where will lyricists first and always, that was a dope

961
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: fucking line. Period. If I thought for one second, because

962
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: I love my mother, if I thought for one second

963
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: that someone would have misinterpreted that, I would have told

964
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: that dude to take the line off the record. Look,

965
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm not the Cactus turned

966
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: his mother out, but I didn't say it. And I

967
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: but again, I'm because I'm the one who's in the front,

968
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: because I'm the one I took the heat. And because

969
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: it was it was in response to the run DMC.

970
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: This you're saying he it was not. And also because

971
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: his album was trash, right, like we didn't like his album.

972
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: We were from New York trash you guys a lot

973
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: of the country everywhere. And again for retrospect, looking at

974
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: him for now, his career is is a pretty incredible career.

975
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: The where we were was that there was New York

976
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: and there was nothing else that once you left the

977
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: try state talking about this all the time, trying to

978
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: tell you and when you're a kid from Queens from

979
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: Far Rock who has never been on a plane before,

980
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: who's never been outside the state before, to have somebody

981
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: come from someplace else that you don't even know about,

982
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:46,959
Speaker 1: and this run DMC. And for me personally, Jay heard

983
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: me Ron, so we had a reason this front them.

984
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: I think it's just ahead go aheads on helping this

985
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: guy out so much in our argument. But let me

986
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: finished and mind you him, that's the Bay Area. It's

987
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: no joke. Yeah, but you're saying at that time, like

988
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: New York, for lack of a better term, looked at

989
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: everybody else. Look, if you're not from New York. It's whack.

990
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: That's the way the sentiment was put out there from

991
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: New York at that time. N w A was different

992
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: because n w A respected you know, the beats that

993
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:34,479
Speaker 1: Dre had on that album were heavily influenced by Third Base.

994
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: In fact, when ice Cube said it on this show,

995
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: when Ice Cube came to New York, he came to

996
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: work with our old producer from the Cactus, because that

997
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: ship slapped right. Even m C eight from Compton's Most

998
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: Wanted on their biggest record one Time gaffled him up

999
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: on the second verse. He said, they got pulled over

1000
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: bumping the Cactus. You know what I'm saying. So it

1001
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: was different. And also the message that first time finished.

1002
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: Their message was different because we were about the police,

1003
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: we were about the dope man, We were about that.

1004
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: We weren't about Drake saying some dropped science, we dropped English,

1005
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: we weren't about that. But we were about everything else,

1006
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: and they respected the production and Cube respected what we

1007
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: did right. So l it was different, and it's again

1008
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: it's Iced Tea. It's different. It was just cut different.

1009
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: The hip hop that Hammer was doing at the time

1010
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: was not indicative of what we thought was real hip hop,

1011
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: native tongues, n W A Queen Latifa, Eric being rock Kim.

1012
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: You know it was. It wasn't right. So if I

1013
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: would have thought it was reflection of like Vanilla Ice

1014
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: type of type of thing, well it was. It was him.

1015
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Vanillized was worse than Hammer because at least

1016
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: at least Hammers black. But he came from an authentic place. Hammer, brother,

1017
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: you like it or not that subjective? No, no no, no, no,

1018
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: it's not no, no, He's absolutely right. But the point

1019
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: was the music wasn't where we were in our hearts

1020
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: and in our minds. It wasn't where we were. And

1021
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: it pissed me off that I would listen to New

1022
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: York Radio and not Here Day Law and not here Tribe,

1023
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: but I'd hear mc hammer and Vanillias. It's fucking crazy.

1024
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: That's why we made Popko's Weasel because it's fucking crazy.

1025
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: Over that I have a clash and we're like, I mean, no,

1026
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm never meant to do. But the point is does

1027
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: not happen. It happens all the time, every every every

1028
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: fucking mass shooting in this country's white on white crime.

1029
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, why don't white Wrap. No, the Beast

1030
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: Boys never clashed. No, we did. We did we have.

1031
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm so surprised. You don't know. It's not not me. No,

1032
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Come on, baby, you know

1033
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: what I mean. No. So me and Mike d clashed,

1034
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,479
Speaker 1: um early, early on before the Cactus album came out. Um.

1035
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: I actually talked about this in the BC Boy book. Um.

1036
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: We clashed because I went to Mike Dee's house and

1037
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: I asked him about the side. Yeah. This was like, yeah,

1038
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: this is on Barrow Street when h Russell moved on

1039
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: Barrow Street. So we went over to I went over

1040
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: to Mike's house and I said, you know, I need

1041
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 1: some help. Russell's you know, Sheldon our record. It's damn

1042
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,919
Speaker 1: you have finished, you know. And they had already left

1043
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: to go to Capitol, and he was giving me great advice,

1044
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: like he was like, Yo, you gotta do this, you

1045
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: gotta make sure this, this and this. I was like, cool,

1046
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: he already starts this after no sleep to Brooklyness is

1047
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: already okay five yea solidified. And as I'm leaving the crib,

1048
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: he saw storming ship at me, like laughing, like sponge

1049
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: things and things. He's laughing. So I'm like, he's physically

1050
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: throwing ship. He's like he's like, he's like, he's like going,

1051
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: He's like later up, later, up, and I'm like whatever.

1052
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: But then later, like six months later, Spin Magazine did

1053
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: a piece on Poles Boutique and we had already dropped

1054
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: stepping today and the gas face was already a hip bubble,

1055
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: and they asked him, what do you think about third base?

1056
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: And Mike D said in this article, he said, yeah,

1057
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 1: search came to my house and he said some ship

1058
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: not threw ship at him. And I'm like, oh, this

1059
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: motherfucker is about to fucking get it. So then we

1060
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: went back in. We did sons a third Base on

1061
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: the first that's the first cut on the Cactus album,

1062
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: because we wanted to let it know him, like, Yo,

1063
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: where the motherfucker's like if you're gonna like white people

1064
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: in hip hop, like some motherfuckers that are from the block,

1065
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: like really like some d's out for you for real,

1066
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: like with Alcatraz for real. You know what I mean?

1067
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: Because that's what that's what we called. That's what we

1068
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: called for Rockaway because it was only one way on

1069
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: and one way all right. So the impetus of that battle.

1070
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: That beef was that and since then we've we got

1071
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: cool like I'm a piece. But yeah, before he died,

1072
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: like I had him on my syndicated radio show, like

1073
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: me and Michael Cool and and you know, I did

1074
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: their book and you know it's all love. But at

1075
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: the time, we felt like we had to be like

1076
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: the Knights, like we had to be the white Knight

1077
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: of hip hop. We had to save the culture right

1078
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: because we felt like nobody's helping. You know what, I'm black,

1079
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: had to be a white guy. Black must have been

1080
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: a white guy that started all that. Make the gas

1081
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: face for it was a little white lies. So when

1082
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: we did Pop Goos the Weasel, it was simple philosophy

1083
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: for us. We're gonna take a huge fucking pop record,

1084
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: fucking sledge hammer, and we're gonna fucking dis pop radio

1085
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: and we're gonna diss everything they do. So if the

1086
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: record blows up and we go to pop radio, we

1087
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: can go in there and be like, yeah, why aren't

1088
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: you playing this? Why aren't you playing that? Why while

1089
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: we're here, you're gonna play this, this, this and this

1090
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,959
Speaker 1: and this and this and this and this. It didn't work.

1091
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: We just became what we didn't want to be. And

1092
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: for me, my whole career was performing in front of

1093
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: black people, And within six months I got white guys

1094
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: stage driving off my fucking stage. Like I was, like,

1095
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: the fun is this? Like I don't even understand none

1096
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: of this, Like I don't want to stand what's going on?

1097
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: Like what what kind of fucking bizarro world did I

1098
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: just walk into? Right? Um? But for me, it's always

1099
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: been preserving black culture, and it's also been about representing

1100
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: protecting artists. You know, it's always been there, you know,

1101
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: even you know, and I'm gonna pivot up, but even

1102
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: with like Timeless, with our podcast company, like we just

1103
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: did a whole series on Big Daddy kne that's coming out.

1104
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: Kane owns all that content. I don't own it. I

1105
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: licensed it to him for fifteen years. I paid him

1106
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: to do it, and we did it. In immersive sound design,

1107
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: I spent almost a year negotiating with w Atmost to

1108
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: understand the schematics of how the EarPods work, how headphones work,

1109
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: so we could do five point once around sound. So

1110
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: when you funk with our our podcast, you hear that ship,

1111
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: You hear fucking Kane in l G. You hear Kane

1112
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: on the block in Brooklyn, you hear when they're doing

1113
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: the karate kicks, watching the fucking Kung Fu movies on

1114
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: forty two, like I wanted his story, kane story to

1115
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: be more than the oratory, like I wanted you to

1116
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: be and understand the environment that he came from. Oh,

1117
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: it's a new artist. I say new, I mean new, new, new,

1118
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: new artists that to fun well, maybe were not signed,

1119
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: but that you you listen to it and appreciate, enjoy.

1120
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: Right now, probably the biggest artist I funk with is

1121
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: this kid out of Feeling name O T the Real.

1122
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: I fucking loved this dude. He's a fucking monster. There's

1123
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: another kid out of Atlanta that I funk with, heavy

1124
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: year old kid named Surf put out three mixtapes called

1125
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: Bad Human, Badder Human, and Baddist Human. They put out

1126
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: a new EP calls the Standing Injury. That kid is

1127
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: fucking hard body. I love that lyrics, but also his

1128
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: understanding of who he is that one years old and

1129
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: his storytelling. Um I funk with him heavy. Um lyricism

1130
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: is dead. No, definitely not a funk with you know what?

1131
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: Who I just listened to and I love is Rob Markman.

1132
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: I listen, I listened to Boring the Right, and I

1133
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: just listened to his new album. You know what I'm saying,

1134
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: And like, you know what I'm saying. So there's like

1135
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: a lot of new artists that I funk with. I'm

1136
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: not you know what I'm saying, Like about raving journalists.

1137
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: Here a journalists turn rapper, and like, I'm not one

1138
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: of these dudes. I'll never be one of these dudes

1139
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: that get stuck in an arrow. You know, Nielsen just

1140
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: did a report that said of men and women over

1141
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: thirty stopped listening to new music only two and after thirty,

1142
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: you only go back to the artist that you love. Right,

1143
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm not that dude. I'm just not that dude. You know.

1144
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: I love well no, because you're still immersed. But when

1145
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: you think about becoming thirty thirty two and you're not

1146
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: in the music business, what does that become? Right? It

1147
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: becomes responsibilities, it becomes jobs, it becomes family, becomes children,

1148
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: it becomes debt, it becomes you know, so you're not

1149
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: digging in the crates like you want to. You're not

1150
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: going to debt piff anymore. You're not going to SoundCloud.

1151
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: You're not going to band camp. You're taking your kids

1152
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: to fucking date camp. You know you're not You're not,

1153
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: You're not here. You talking about Clubhouse earlier. Yeah, you're

1154
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: on Clubhouse. Yeah, I got the largest club in the

1155
01:05:54,000 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: fucking Clubhouse. We have UM it's called the New Money Moguls,

1156
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: and we have a meeting every Tuesday called Problem Solvers.

1157
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: It's with some of the greatest minds you've ever met.

1158
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: Leontine who is the only woman ever run Jordan Brand,

1159
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: Dante Simpson, who did East bat TV, who did um

1160
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: the Little Nasax for Roadblocks, and did Travis Scott. He

1161
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: did those two deals for Fortnite. He's on them. Mark

1162
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: Buyer's former GM of Motown, who handles the Marvin Gaya State,

1163
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: who handles all the consulting for Burner Boy. He's in

1164
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: there Aria right, twenty year veteran at Diagio, knows distribution

1165
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: backwards and forwards. So we have about five to six

1166
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: hundred people every week and we solve them. We problem

1167
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: solved what I'm tired of in Clubhouse. And I see

1168
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: this all the time. People want to talk but didn't

1169
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: want an expert but it's okay to be an expert,

1170
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: but be an expert at help, Like I break down

1171
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: my life to this point like this. In my twenties, thirties,

1172
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: my forties, and my fifties, all I do is learned.

1173
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: I continue to learn. My twenties, all I did was learned.

1174
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: I didn't earn. I didn't do anything else. I learned.

1175
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: I just studied, learned, study learned. Thirties, I learned, I earned,

1176
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: but I churned. If you was fucking whack, if you

1177
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: were not benefiting my life, you're fucking out of here.

1178
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: You'd get the Christmas card, and you get the Hanaker card,

1179
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: and you get the New Year's but you're done. Forties,

1180
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,919
Speaker 1: I was learned, churn and earn. I made more money

1181
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: in my forties and I did my whole life. But

1182
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: now in my fifties, I churn. I learn I earn

1183
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: in our return. So problem solving is about you got

1184
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: a business, what's your business situation? Or this is your

1185
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: business situation. Oh well that person is right here, he's

1186
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: in this room, bring him up, bring him up, boom.

1187
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: So we do three things and problem solvers one is

1188
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: we connect you with people. Period. Oh you got a

1189
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: clothing company. You need distribution, here's my man. He got

1190
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: six fucking plants in China. Done. Oh you need Amazon,

1191
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: my man is an expert at Amazon. Done. Oh you

1192
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: need radio from motion, my man does this. Done. So

1193
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: that's one. Two. We check you out, We evaluate, and

1194
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: then we point out what you're doing wrong. Oh you

1195
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: got a problem with social media. Fix that. You've got

1196
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: a problem with this. Fix that for three. Damn. I

1197
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: like what you do. I like your move I like

1198
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: the way you're moving. We're gonna invest in you. Come

1199
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: with us after the meeting, and then we have a

1200
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: meeting and our advisory board comes together and we give

1201
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: you paper and we either become a partner with you

1202
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: short term, the term, or long term. And that's what

1203
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 1: we do on Clubhouse. Let me ask yourself serious something

1204
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: If and started this podcast once one, we said we

1205
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: wanted to interview legends. We wanted to interview people such

1206
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: as yourself have been in the game that you know

1207
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: sometimes you know when this is a young mad's game,

1208
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: so sometimes we get overlooked. That's one thing, but not

1209
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: only that. We wanted to uh show love and a

1210
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: maya to the people that came before us with this

1211
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: hip hop union. We really want to form a real

1212
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: hip hop union where a person has ten years of

1213
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: more put this game in. And maybe he didn't, you know,

1214
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: making jay Z status. He didn't make it to a

1215
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: like a sag like sag, But I feel that's the

1216
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: can I ask you a couple of questions if you

1217
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: don't mind problem, what's the purpose? In one sentence, what's

1218
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: the purpose we should take care of all? Because I

1219
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like a hip hop like you know,

1220
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: one thing about you, um, when I look at you

1221
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: and all honesty and respect, I see you before I

1222
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: see you as a as as a white person, I

1223
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: look at you as a hip hop person. And to me,

1224
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: hip hop is a race in itself. Fact, if I

1225
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: would have to pick first, I would say I'm hip

1226
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: hop first, and then I'm Black and Porto Rican, but

1227
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: hip hop because it's just and I feel like there's

1228
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people that's like me that identify that. Now,

1229
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: if you came in this game and it's just like

1230
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: if you look at these old documentaries, you look at this.

1231
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: That's why I was so glad you cleared up the publisher,

1232
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: but you look at it was this this this image

1233
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: of these people taking advantage of these kids, just eating

1234
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: off of them for the rest of their life and

1235
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: them never being able Like I just seen um. I

1236
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: think O J the Juice Man say that he has

1237
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: to die ten years before he could even his kids

1238
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: could even he has to be dead ten years before

1239
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: his kids could even think about owning the rights to

1240
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 1: his first. Short term is creating an opportunity for artists

1241
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: both young and new, to establish some sort of funding

1242
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 1: where they are protected short and mid term and long term.

1243
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 1: So the process, if I'm hearing you correctly, for the second,

1244
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: I think you need to let me finish because the

1245
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: thing so we might have two different visions. I want

1246
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: to tell your thinking about it. This is you've being

1247
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: from for Rock Rock for people that know it's probably

1248
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: one of the hardest and shout out to another kid,

1249
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: Bobby J from Rockaway. That kid is a fucking monster,

1250
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: one of the hardest places in Queens. But the thing

1251
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 1: about that is most people that will make it for

1252
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: for Rock, most people that will get this opportunity, they're

1253
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 1: seeing a number in their face and they're not thinking

1254
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: about ConA on the lawyer, They're not thinking about corner

1255
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: on the manager. They're thinking about what you said, get

1256
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: them out of the projects like you like, But I

1257
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 1: lovingly refer to agement, right, and you know you got

1258
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: from you know, Queen's Bridge, the forty projects to all

1259
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: these different places that these people have, these these these

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01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: talented and when they make it to a certain level, Uh,

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01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: there's people who who who who who does take advantage?

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01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: But look, let's remember why we started the conversation. As

1263
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: we started, because there was pioneers getting sick without having

1264
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,440
Speaker 1: health insurance. Is That's not what it started the conversation.

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01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 1: So what I was saying, like a SAG that gives

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: access to insurance, to health insurance, maybe starts to create

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01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 1: some kind of retirement fund. But but I say sad

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01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: because SAG is as much as you put into it

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01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: is what you kind of get out of it, you know,

1270
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: because everybody's gonna be You know what Rocky Buconos is

1271
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: doing at Hip Hop Museum with putting the top floor

1272
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: museum Cocoa rock giving them permanent they don't in the Bronx.

1273
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: So what Rocky is doing is similar. He's creating lower

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01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: income housing for people there permanently, right, So it's that

1275
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: he's also creating housing for Theodore for Cocola rock so

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01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: they never have to pay rent ever again for him

1277
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: and his families. Right, hit more about but then we

1278
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: need to have Rocky on him. But the point is,

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01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: but the point is, didn't Wendy Day do that with

1280
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: rap coalition? Didn't you do that? And trying to take

1281
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: care of you know, cash money, trying to take care

1282
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: of right. But what happened, what happened to Wendy Day?

1283
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: What happened? She definitely got sidelined, right, not only get sigelined,

1284
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: she got silenced, and then the people that were supposed

1285
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: to take care of her didn't take care of her. Right.

1286
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: So a union only works if the people that are

1287
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: buying into the union continue to support the union. Right.

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01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: So the reason why sag after works is, yeah, you

1289
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: can be in the union because your gat right, So

1290
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: it's counting for the masses. The other thing in the days,

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01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: the unions and the a couple of my people that

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01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: I know that's from you know a certain and here's

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01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: the other part of it. But but the other part

1294
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: of it, that is the vital part of it, right,

1295
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: is that if you take an artist like jay Z

1296
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: and he said I'm charging motherfucker's for what they did

1297
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: to the Cold Crush. Right. That line is only as

1298
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: powerful as what he actually gives back to the Cold Crush, Right,

1299
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: So we're talking about Cold Crush. We're talking about right.

1300
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: So on my podcast, the end of episode one with Kane,

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: Kane talks about the most influential m C in his life.

1302
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna bug out because we've we've been talking about

1303
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 1: his Grandmaster Cast. Right. So in the end of the

1304
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: episode one of the podcasts, he starts to recite cas

1305
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 1: lyrics from a Park Champ that he heard on a

1306
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: fourth generation cassette tape, like it was written yesterday. So

1307
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: we interviewed Cast and I said, Cast, do you remember

1308
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: these lyrics? And he's like, ship, those are That's what

1309
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: I call classics. And he starts roming them and I

1310
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 1: leaned back and I said, Fuck, what if something happens

1311
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: to Cast the lyrics disappear. We gotta make a record.

1312
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: We gotta make a record now, and it's got to

1313
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: end the first episode. So we did, right, and we

1314
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: gave it to him, publishing royalties, everything, gave it to him.

1315
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: What the funk? He just said? So May nine n

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: F t auction for that record. That's the union. That's

1317
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 1: the union. It doesn't have to be organized, it has

1318
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: to be curated and executed, and it doesn't need to

1319
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 1: be tend people in a room to argue about what

1320
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:28,480
Speaker 1: you want and you want. It's just fucking do it.

1321
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: Fucking do it, problem solver. That's why I did problem solver.

1322
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: You and I can sit here. He can smoke weed

1323
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: all day, you could drink all day. We could fucking

1324
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: philosophize all day. Do it right. So here's my here's

1325
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: my small contribution to that. Right. It's one thing, but

1326
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 1: it's the first record has have owned for life. I

1327
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: don't own it. I gave it to him. And the

1328
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: record fucking is a bot that should ain't some corny

1329
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: fucking no. That ship is fucking a fucking smash play it.

1330
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: You turn that shut up. I'm talking to cat to

1331
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: come so to me. That's the answer. You know, I

1332
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: think we do a lot of philosophers and in hip hop, right,

1333
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: we grew up with the idea of how do we

1334
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:31,640
Speaker 1: create something that is ideas into curation. Right, got a

1335
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: great director, Gil Green here already takes ideas. You know,

1336
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: Gil will take words and create amazing images on screens, right,

1337
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: and I love you brother, but it he can't do

1338
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: what he does if he sits for six months on

1339
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: a fucking idea, because then they're gonna move forward. It's curation, execution, direction, done,

1340
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:58,719
Speaker 1: bang bang bang bang bang, Right, So do it, don't worry,

1341
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: don't think about it. Do it. How do you execute,

1342
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 1: how do you curate? How do you do it? Just

1343
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: do it? You just do it. So you're saying for

1344
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: each individual to do their part as best as they can,

1345
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: because obviously what we're talking about, why can't we have

1346
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: a SAG. Why can't we have a union? Why? Because

1347
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: hip hop can't have something that big, can't have something

1348
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: that organized. No, they can that. We don't have the

1349
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: resources or boxes. That's you know. Do you know when

1350
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: SAX started nine five? You know the first person in

1351
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: SAG was Charlie Chaplin. One of one. Yo. It starts

1352
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: with one. You don't need ten, you need one, right,

1353
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: so you're one, let's go and then that's three. That's good.

1354
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: But but you but everybody has to be in SAG

1355
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: here and the drink that to me is that, to

1356
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: me is the essence of what hip hop truly is right.

1357
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: When you think of the tenants of hip up right,

1358
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: it's not about drip, it's not about jewelry. It's not

1359
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: about that. It's peace, unity, love and having fun. When

1360
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: the culture of the when the culture started right and

1361
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 1: when when we have right now you got YouTube, But

1362
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: it's not about that. But the thing but that's not hip.

1363
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: But that's because it's not about that right now. Doesn't

1364
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: mean it's not you miss No, it's okay, it's this.

1365
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: It's yes, the park jams were violent. Yes, there was

1366
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: a lot of challenges, Yes there was all of that. However,

1367
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: what we're seeing today is rap music and artists and

1368
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: social media that is separate. And if you just automatically

1369
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: lob it in and say, oh, that's hip hop, then

1370
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,600
Speaker 1: you're not really focusing on the true tenants of what

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01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: brought us ultimate table table right. And that's the that's

1372
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: the key of it. It's culture that it's not culture

1373
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: that is a reaction and and and a part of

1374
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: who they are and where they live and what they

1375
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: experience and who they one man ship agree with you,

1376
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is the same way somebody

1377
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: in far Rockaway, Queens and what's the edge man, what

1378
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 1: is the projects project firm can film. There's the same

1379
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: person a kid and for a green your film, but

1380
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: it's the same place a person to Tacoma, Washington, Seattle,

1381
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: Washington can do film the same thing. Have a couple

1382
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: of people around them could actually blow up from their

1383
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: own house. There's no old there's no there's nobody helping

1384
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: this kid out, and this kid continue to make it.

1385
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: He's no way shaped for more fashion listening to us,

1386
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: and that's and that's eventually to wait, what part did

1387
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: you don't agree? Like I just fear I feel the

1388
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:02,520
Speaker 1: disconnect happened. There was a disconnec that was that O G.

1389
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: I said this a long time. I said this plenty

1390
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 1: of times. Of course they're not gonna look up to

1391
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: ge anymore because what's their look up to? Right? But

1392
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: if a kid that's you do I'm trying to say,

1393
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: I think you miss understood my point, Like how you

1394
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: just said to me. What I'm saying is right now,

1395
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: we used to have to go to a wild pitch.

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01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: We have to go to uh that's industry. Yeah, that's

1397
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: a gamekeepers, that's different stuff. And they still have to

1398
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: do that if they want to get that they want to.

1399
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: They want to do that. Here's as much on SoundCloud.

1400
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: They don't got no A and all. And this is

1401
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: a record label that's out there. It's wanted to pay

1402
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: him and say, fuck it, we'll give you everything. Just

1403
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: keep doing. Then you doing because record was what the

1404
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 1: they're doing that. Then it was artist curation, there was

1405
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: artist development. You actually try to at least right now,

1406
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: they're like, these guys are just out there doing whatever

1407
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: and whatever's working. Let's just do it because their numbers,

1408
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: it's all they keep calling it. I'm a rhythmss right,

1409
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: But that's industry ship in versus we're talking either culture

1410
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: or industry or Because we talked about the White Rapper

1411
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 1: Show before you were on the White Rapper But when

1412
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: you did the White Rapper Show and the White Rappers came,

1413
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: you sat down, you had one drinking, he bounced, why doctor,

1414
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 1: this is a pump exactly right. So you didn't. So

1415
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: you didn't because we just did a White Rapper reunion

1416
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: on my podcast and they all asked me the same thing.

1417
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 1: They said, damn, did y'all hate us? And we're like, no,

1418
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: we didn't hate you. We we we appreciated where you

1419
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: were from But when Norriy was on the top of

1420
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: this building, he thought he was being fucking pompt He

1421
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: sat down and bounced out like he didn't have He

1422
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 1: didn't have an opinion about who you are, what you were.

1423
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: He could give two ships. He walked and he thought

1424
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: there was some candid cameras ship going on in that

1425
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: he's not him personally. He don't personally feel bad, right,

1426
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: And then he looked back at the show. I love

1427
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: the show because you see you see this thing. At

1428
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: first I was I was, I think of Sasha. I

1429
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 1: think it was you. There's a couple of y'alls, so

1430
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: you come hang out, you know, we had this white

1431
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: Rabbit show whatever. When I came in and it was

1432
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: just a couple of corny moments where I looked, I

1433
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: was like, this might be this might be how Ashton

1434
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: cut just set people up. They got searching them core you.

1435
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking like this, and I'm like, you know what,

1436
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 1: I would just bounce when when I look back at

1437
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: the whole episode, in the whole season, in this tire ty,

1438
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: I wish you would have told me like you no, no.

1439
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: So I wasn't love I loved about Norri's episode was

1440
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: so I wasn't allowed to be do you know why

1441
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: because it would have been just about me and him

1442
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 1: for about three hours, but they wanted the engagement. It

1443
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: was the same thing with Joel Santana when they went

1444
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: to meet Joel's up and John Brown gave him the

1445
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: fucking bird card like he made a fake card and

1446
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: hand him this fucking cardboard card. Joel's did the same thing,

1447
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: sat down, hate his food, looked at his watch. There

1448
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: was no you know, because we wanted, you know, we

1449
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: wanted we wanted to see what was gonna happen. And

1450
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:06,600
Speaker 1: he's organic. And now that you look back right and

1451
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: you see Nor's reaction because nor literally went all right,

1452
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: I mean he slept the table, was like I'm going

1453
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: straight to set out of here, right yo. And the

1454
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: best part about that was it was Nori be a

1455
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 1: Nori and I want to and I'm so glad I'm

1456
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: here with you because I really have to share this

1457
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: with you. When I took you on the road on promo,

1458
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 1: every single radio station said the same thing after you

1459
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: left the studio, is he interested in doing radio? Does

1460
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 1: he want to host a radio show? Every every single

1461
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: one because amazing on radio. I have never I don't

1462
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: like to use finite words. You'll you'll see that. I'm

1463
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: working on my wordplay. I don't like to use filing

1464
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: nite words, but I can use it in front of him.

1465
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 1: I'd never had an artist go on the road where

1466
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: program directors o ms gms were listening and then came

1467
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: back and said, is he interested in care? He liked

1468
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: because and it's why this transition to this and why

1469
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: you and I know you saw the vision. I remember

1470
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: when you called me and told me yo, and I

1471
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: didn't yo. I'll be I'll keep it a up. I

1472
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: didn't know what the funk you were talking about. I

1473
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 1: didn't know what you were talking about, but you said,

1474
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the funk is a podcast? Who

1475
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: the funk has about this ship? You're a fucking genius.

1476
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 1: You're a fucking and And I have my company and

1477
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: my wife and I because it's not me, there's no

1478
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: more searchlight. The name of the company's for MC. It's

1479
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: the name of my wife and my children because it's

1480
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: about this, right, and it's about what you guys built

1481
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: for me. So what I did in the streets of

1482
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: Far Rockaway, you did here for me, you returned your energy. Yea.

1483
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: Let me let me say we're doing right because I

1484
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: do use Google. Now, at first when you started this,

1485
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: I didn't use Google. But when I googled you, it

1486
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 1: was so enlightened. And it's so fun because the shirts

1487
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: two words of your name is MC. Always I'll never

1488
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 1: drop that. So when you hit Google and then you're

1489
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 1: typing m C, there's only a couple of other people

1490
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: who pop up. Do you know who those people are?

1491
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 1: Probably MC Hamma, No, yes, okay, I'm see Hamma. Who's

1492
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: the other person who? Probably no, probably not like didn't

1493
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: come up with me. No, m C. I would probably see.

1494
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: I would probably say, you know what the name that

1495
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: pops in my head is probably and it's not that

1496
01:25:54,520 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 1: it's probably MC wren, but it's probably not wren. H Yeah,

1497
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, because you know Google is um yeah,

1498
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: but you know one of the But let me tell

1499
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: you something and and and I want to talk about

1500
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 1: this for a second because Queen's Bridge deserves all its flowers. Flowers.

1501
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: But in the podcast we did, we came, we started

1502
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: to talk because we interviewed all the people that he

1503
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 1: came up with that we're you know, obviously still with us,

1504
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: and we started to talking about Lafayette Gardens in Brooklyn,

1505
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 1: l Yeah, here's the list of producers and artists that

1506
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 1: came out of LG. Easy Mobi, which doctor who did

1507
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 1: Roman is fundamental? Who did Biggie? All right? Mr c

1508
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: A b Money from wrapping its fundamental? It can be

1509
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: argument and obviously Kine spent a lot of time there,

1510
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: but it can be argued it's not right a wrong,

1511
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: but it can be argued that LG is probably just

1512
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: as dope as Queensbridge. We looked at it like that.

1513
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying it's factual, because there's also a

1514
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: point of it where after you had the surgeons of

1515
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: Queensbridge with Nasation, with with hot Day, with Hot Day

1516
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: with Bob Deep and and so on and so forth.

1517
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: But you look at el But but the thing about

1518
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 1: Morley is Molly technically didn't live in Queensbridge, which I

1519
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: found out he had a house near Queensbridge. He moved

1520
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: to Queensbridge to produce or pay the fall he did

1521
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: admit on yes, he paid he did absolutely absolutely Bridge right.

1522
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to me because even with me being

1523
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 1: the forest Company hip hop I didn't connect that cool

1524
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: V is from LG. You know what I'm saying, Like,

1525
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 1: so you tell me, yeah, d J cool V that

1526
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,560
Speaker 1: are known to yalls come as with Lollley or you

1527
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like so you know, so it

1528
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: could be argued. And that's the fun that I'm having

1529
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: with my podcast is that I'm now looking at it.

1530
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, I should do a whole problem. You all

1531
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: want a guy who's affiliated to Queen's. You're not gonna

1532
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 1: win this argument on this pocket brother, I'm from far rockaing'

1533
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: never gonna proud with you to see that. Um Now,

1534
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 1: I just want to grab me recently like, uh, I'm

1535
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: out chilling. You know, I don't. I've never watched the Grammars.

1536
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 1: They never invited me. I want to do that, Like

1537
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hate it. I'm gonna hate it when it

1538
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: comes to that, you don't invite me. I think your

1539
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: ship is wack. You don't wake me. I would give

1540
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: it up. That's just where I am. But um so

1541
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 1: I don't. Never I've never got invited to Grammar, even

1542
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: my hottest Like I think they invited me and took

1543
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: it back. It was like I'm not sure. So I

1544
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: never had that dream, right, but I've never made I've

1545
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 1: made that level, but not I felt like and then

1546
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 1: recently but just sitting out there looking we're gonna watch

1547
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: the Grammars like no, But I wake up the next

1548
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: day and they're like, yo, he won. I'm at a

1549
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: restaurant there and Billy's. We order all the crab legs,

1550
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: I drink all the champagne, give me out champagne I got,

1551
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: and I do a blog and everybody and it was like,

1552
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm not from Queen's Bridge, I'm from

1553
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: Left Frack City, but I got a lot of love,

1554
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: you know, the same thing. But but oh, I got

1555
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 1: a lot of love, and I just wanted to show

1556
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,599
Speaker 1: them stat love. I didn't want to I didn't want

1557
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: to interpret your saying we're bringing this Grammy back then

1558
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 1: left Frack in Queensbridge, because that's not with nos nos

1559
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 1: as Queen's Bridge. So I did it a big ups

1560
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: those places, a big of my my boy left place.

1561
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 1: And I mean I could see all of them we

1562
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: post it and just being happy and rejoicing, and it

1563
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: just made me feel so proud because that's where we is,

1564
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 1: like in Queens like sometimes we're so territorial that we'll

1565
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 1: be like, you know, up from Left Frack, but I'm

1566
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: just from Section one. I'm from Queen's Bridge, but I'm

1567
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: just from Vernon love O. I'm f far a Rock,

1568
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: but I'm just from Yeah, you know, I'm from South Jamaica,

1569
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: but I'm just from basically, like, um, I feel like

1570
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: this was this moment where just all of us queens.

1571
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: So how good did you feel from being the trifector?

1572
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 1: For me, it's it's three folds for me coming here.

1573
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 1: One is to be here with you. Two is understanding

1574
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 1: that NAS not only want to Grammy but got into

1575
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 1: the Library of Congress right. But three is making the

1576
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: left on this block and see an M F. Doom

1577
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 1: on the corner. Wow, Um, because you know I know

1578
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: Zev love x Y. Yeah, yeah, what I'm googling whatever

1579
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm doing right up there. Well, I mean I don't

1580
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 1: know MF. Doom. I know Zev love X, I know

1581
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 1: Daniel do Malay, I know sub Rocky rest in Peace.

1582
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 1: I know the family, you know what I mean? Like

1583
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: that those are my people, you know, that's just it's

1584
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,560
Speaker 1: not just some artists, you know, Like when I was

1585
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: changing the subject, staying on the subject. But when M F.

1586
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: Doom they pronounced him dead and it was on Halloween,

1587
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 1: Like wasn't Like a lot of people in the hip

1588
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 1: hop at first was like is this a because listen,

1589
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: I remember one time people were saying M F. Doom

1590
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 1: was in six places at one time, as if there

1591
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: was other people that was other people were performing with

1592
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean again, I don't know too. I

1593
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: know love X because you know, when I was putting

1594
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 1: out my little independent records before Third Base, I was

1595
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: hanging out on Long Beach, Long Island, which was you know,

1596
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: hop skipping a jump from Far rockaway. I met my homeboy,

1597
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 1: I met I met Otis and then I met Doom

1598
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 1: and him and I told him, I said, yo, when

1599
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:55,520
Speaker 1: I get on, you get on period in a conversation. Um,

1600
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: he always wanted to wear a mask. He put on

1601
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,679
Speaker 1: the man after his brother died. After his brother died,

1602
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: it was Um. It was one of those moments where

1603
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 1: make sure we go back to the Grammy and that.

1604
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, but but but no, no, but but I'm

1605
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna come back to the Grammy's

1606
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: and I'll explain why so um, you know, so seeing

1607
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 1: do him at at the at the funeral and him

1608
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 1: mashing out, and then this year Nasmin and the Grammy

1609
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 1: watching watching the Grammys for the first time seeing Doom

1610
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: on the on the screen, but then the credits roll

1611
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 1: and executive producer for Team of Robinson and for Team

1612
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 1: and I used to dance together with Stretch and shake

1613
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: his IOU dances and in in LQ. So I'm and

1614
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: my man, Jeff Robinson wins for her and that's my dude, Like,

1615
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,799
Speaker 1: that's my Like I go back to when Alicia performed

1616
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 1: for my my non for profit Rock Can Wrap it

1617
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: Up at the World Trades How a year before I

1618
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 1: went down. Yeah, I mean, so I'm seeing all this

1619
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 1: and I'm crying my eyes out, happy, sad, you know,

1620
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: a million emotions going through me because it's that, It's

1621
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: that moment. It's nas it's Doom, it's Fatima, it's Jeff,

1622
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: it's all of all people finally being where they're supposed

1623
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: to be, getting what they're supposed to get. You know, like,

1624
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, if they were gonna show

1625
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 1: Doom and they did, you know, when when Doom died

1626
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: not only on but when they made the announcement New

1627
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: Years Either. The one thing that amazed me was not

1628
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 1: only the amount of rappers that showed love, but it

1629
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 1: was no, no, no, but kept secret. They kept a secret,

1630
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 1: and I think they did. They think they did the

1631
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: right thing because they put his affairs in order. Doom knew.

1632
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: The one thing I know is that Doom knew he

1633
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 1: was gonna die six months before. Like they knew he

1634
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: was gonna die. Um, so they put as a peas

1635
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: in order and to see Like Tom York from Radiohead

1636
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: give him his flowers, Beth Gibbons from Porter's Head gives flowers,

1637
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 1: Johnny Marr from the Smiths give him his flowers. Darius

1638
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,440
Speaker 1: Rutger from Jodie and the Blowfish give him his flowers.

1639
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 1: Like yo, it was fucking crazy. Along with all the

1640
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: other MC's laurels around the world being made, murals around

1641
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: the world. I gotta pictures in from France, London trains.

1642
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: The fucking government of France, Japan that doesn't allow murals

1643
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: to run on trains. Let the Doom murals run Amsterdam.

1644
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like the impact that he

1645
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: made man was fucking crazy. And you don't expect that,

1646
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: and you know, talking about a men's and talking about

1647
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: being in recovery, because that's one of the things that

1648
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,600
Speaker 1: we're also doing in our podcast company is Me and

1649
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 1: um My Homegirl Kyle Eustace from Hip Hop t X.

1650
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 1: We have a podcast called Breaking Me on Unimity, which

1651
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 1: is about the road to redemption and recovery, right, because

1652
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 1: I think there's a stigma people think like, oh, you

1653
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: can't have fun, you can't be around people smoking weed

1654
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 1: when you're you're an addict, you can't be around this. No,

1655
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 1: it's about breaking that down and understanding like you can

1656
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 1: go to a program and get help, because there's people

1657
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 1: that can help you, you know what I mean. And

1658
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 1: and so we have like amazing artist Danny Boy from

1659
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 1: House of Pain, Frank Gallagher from The Talking Heads, Like

1660
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: we have these amazing slain talking about their their road

1661
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 1: to recovery. And one of the things that I talked

1662
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:42,839
Speaker 1: about and my my amends is there's called direct amends

1663
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 1: and indirect amends. Right, there's a homeboy in mind here

1664
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 1: I gotta make amends with before I leave, right, So

1665
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: so there's direct amends, but then there's indirect And I

1666
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: always thought, man, I can make amends with with subprop

1667
01:35:56,360 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 1: I can make amends with them. So now I gotta

1668
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: make indirect amends. So the things that I take responsibility

1669
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 1: for for the distance in our relationship, now I gotta

1670
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: fix with the next man or the next woman somebody else, right,

1671
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 1: because that's my responsibility. That's my responsibility before they put

1672
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: me in the dirt. Yes, yeah, So the Grammys and

1673
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 1: and the beautiful part about the Grammys, you know again

1674
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: and going back to it, is that it seemed to

1675
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 1: me for the first time in hip hop history that

1676
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 1: the Album of the Year was balanced Alchemists and Freddie Gibbs,

1677
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 1: like the Fun album is crazy. Alchemist is a monster.

1678
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 1: He deserved that. Like you talk about you know, grise Elda,

1679
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 1: like you talk about Benny, you talk about West Out Gun,

1680
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: you talk about Bodie James, Like, oh, Funk is a

1681
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 1: Monster's to get fun Grammy nominations, Like it's balanced. You know,

1682
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 1: we got this balance, We got this finally, We've got

1683
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 1: a little bit of equilibrium. You know. It makes me

1684
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 1: want to vote. I'm a voter. I don't vote. I'm

1685
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm like Nori, I'm fuck you ain't gonna do shift

1686
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 1: for voter for anybody, you know. But but you know,

1687
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,719
Speaker 1: but that's you know, it's it's what it is. And

1688
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,719
Speaker 1: and I feel like this balance finally because there's people

1689
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:17,560
Speaker 1: like us who are in this range, who have the experience,

1690
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 1: who now can say to the Grammys and and Narrow's like,

1691
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:25,719
Speaker 1: who hold on, hold on, hold on blank, don't let's

1692
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 1: let's look at this and how we look at it

1693
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 1: is we vote on it. Right, that's beautiful, that's beautiful. Um, wait,

1694
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 1: we didn't. You still didn't finish telling us about mc

1695
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: hammer's hit on you. Yeah, that's for the book. I'm

1696
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 1: not going to talk about I'm gonna talking about that. No,

1697
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 1: And they say, but it didn't work. No, it definitely

1698
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:48,600
Speaker 1: didn't work. But it goes back also to men's like,

1699
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, so I didn't even say the line, but yeah,

1700
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm gonna eventually have to make amends

1701
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 1: with the men, right, even though he put a hit

1702
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,759
Speaker 1: out on me, right, Like I have to make amends.

1703
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:02,560
Speaker 1: And where I come from And I'm not being braggadocious

1704
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 1: when I say this, because even though I grew up

1705
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 1: in a very traditional Jewish household, I didn't grow up

1706
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:09,640
Speaker 1: in that household. I grew up in Redferend Projects. I

1707
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 1: grew up in Hammels. I grew up. I grew up

1708
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 1: on the street like where we come from. Somebody puts

1709
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 1: a hit out on you. You You wipe out their family.

1710
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: You don't wipe out the dude. You wipe out his

1711
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 1: mom and sisters, brother, his cousin, his uncle. You leave

1712
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 1: no bloodline, you know, because the other dudes that I

1713
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 1: grew up with on the other side of the street,

1714
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:29,719
Speaker 1: in in Wood and in Rosdale, Colombo Crown family, Gambino

1715
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 1: Crown family, like and that's how they moved right, But

1716
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 1: that's not who I am today. And I felt that

1717
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 1: way for a long time. It ate up at you know,

1718
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 1: it ate me a long time, Like I gotta see

1719
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 1: this dude. Eventually, I'm a see this dude. I was

1720
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 1: in a room with him recently on clubhouse and somebody

1721
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 1: said to me, Yo, this is the perfect time. I'm like, no,

1722
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 1: it's I'm sorry. But I was like, I'm not. It's

1723
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 1: not the right time, Like this is not the right time.

1724
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: The time to do it is when we can sit

1725
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 1: down here and I and I can tell him what

1726
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 1: my responsibility is, what my role is right. Even though

1727
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 1: I didn't say the long even though the other dude

1728
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 1: in my group never never ever talked about it, he

1729
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,600
Speaker 1: just kind of kept it moving. Right. So I'm the

1730
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: one because you know, I'm the guy that in hip

1731
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 1: hop people see as the front man. Even though it

1732
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 1: was a group, it was all three of us, right,

1733
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's my responsibility. So

1734
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 1: I'll make that amend when I'm ready, because the part

1735
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: of it that that seventh and eighth step is when

1736
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 1: you're willing. I'm not. I'm almost there. I'm not completely

1737
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 1: willing to forget that because it was It's crazy. It

1738
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: was real serious. You know, it wasn't any fucking game.

1739
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 1: It was fucking serious. Um. But I know that that's

1740
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,640
Speaker 1: my my responsibility. You know. When we talked about it

1741
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: on the Breaking Anonymity podcast, we talked about like the

1742
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 1: responsibility of they don't save the you know it. But

1743
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 1: it's also what it is, because that's what we talked about.

1744
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 1: It's not a plug just for the second's not that's weird.

1745
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 1: So now as we're talking about because you know this

1746
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 1: is you know, drink chance. We love cocaine stories here, right,

1747
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 1: we just love it right. It's just it's just like

1748
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:21,719
Speaker 1: when you did cocaine, but when you did Cocaine's office

1749
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:23,640
Speaker 1: one day. Leo is one of my favorite executives. I

1750
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what they did anybody else from

1751
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: but we just we just called them Elroy Cohen. I mean,

1752
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 1: we were just working with him. Listen, I love I

1753
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 1: walk in the All Calls office one day and he's

1754
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 1: sitting there and he has, uh, it's a picture on

1755
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 1: his wall he has on his nose on his nose

1756
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 1: like a tissue the picture or him the picture has

1757
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 1: a tissue on his nose. So I'm looking and I'm like,

1758
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 1: it was a great nut. I'm like, yo, because this

1759
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: is the time you want to vote with and like

1760
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 1: he's like, no one was sniffing cocaine and what's my ship?

1761
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Just bluffs And I was like, oh my god, I

1762
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 1: love this stuff. No I was not. I was not cocaine. Okay, my, my, my, my, my.

1763
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: DC was just slang term for drugger. Choice in the

1764
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:19,719
Speaker 1: room is what you're smoking right there. But we can't

1765
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 1: be in the cover real but honest, So here's the thing.

1766
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't the fact that I smoked it. It was

1767
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 1: how I behaved after I smoked it, And it was

1768
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 1: the fact that what I did as a man, it

1769
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 1: was definitely smoke of dust and just throw it out.

1770
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 1: It's a whole different was a dirty in a different times.

1771
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 1: It was was gont no no. And the thing was

1772
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 1: he believed it on the but I didn't play on

1773
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 1: and I damned you didn't blame it on the dust.

1774
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 1: I was happy as fun happening. I fucking served him

1775
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 1: doing so bad and trying to kill me with man, okay,

1776
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 1: so hold up. Continue. So it wasn't It wasn't that.

1777
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 1: It was a combination of a lot of things that

1778
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:22,600
Speaker 1: made me realize that my addiction. You yeah, no, I

1779
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 1: once no, you don't want to it's a terrible story.

1780
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: I didn't say because it's boring, it's gonna be gonna

1781
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna make the editing flaw. Yo. I fucking snorted

1782
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 1: a line. It tasted terrible. In the back of my thought,

1783
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 1: I was done. It was said, Wow, I didn't think

1784
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 1: that that was the story. That's what I'm saying. But

1785
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 1: but right with my choice, when I got to a

1786
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 1: place where I realized it was a problem, it wasn't

1787
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 1: that it was the weed itself. It was the behavior

1788
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 1: that I was masking. Right, So what I learned in

1789
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 1: recovery it was that after I got rid of my

1790
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 1: dc is, I had to start looking at who I

1791
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 1: was and started to peel back the under of my

1792
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: authentic self. So I started to like look at my

1793
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 1: character defense. I started looking at the things that made

1794
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: me a funk up individual. I started to have to

1795
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 1: look at the things like because yo, I would smoke

1796
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 1: and then I was sucking a zombie. Like I was

1797
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 1: a zombie to my children. I was a zombie to

1798
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 1: my wife. I was a zombie in life. I was

1799
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 1: a bad businessman, I was a bad partner. I was

1800
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 1: from weed or from weed, because what it did was

1801
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 1: it didn't allow me. The weed didn't allow me to

1802
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 1: deal with my my personal issues. It didn't allow It

1803
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 1: was totally a crutch, but it was. But it was

1804
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna be honest. What years we talked about they had

1805
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 1: cocaine your ship. I'm just throwing it out there. You

1806
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:59,879
Speaker 1: body didn't know, you brobably didn't know. I stopped using,

1807
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:05,000
Speaker 1: stopped using, stop all using my clean, my clean from

1808
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 1: a doctor, my doctor. Dude, alcohol you don't think so, Yeah,

1809
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 1: let's be really clear, and I want to explain something

1810
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:19,519
Speaker 1: for for the sake of this. Absolutely, I'm not saying

1811
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 1: that maljuana is bad. If you just smoking casually, that's great.

1812
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 1: I just think you should smoke and stay smoking. I

1813
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:30,720
Speaker 1: think it says in the scriptures the Most High gave

1814
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 1: us all of these plants on the planet Earth for

1815
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 1: you to use. I'm saying that the work is not

1816
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 1: in there is. He didn't give us all these plans

1817
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 1: for you to abuse, and I abuse them because I

1818
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 1: to the best. Tax come on that. No, no, and

1819
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:55,639
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to bring down It was never bake

1820
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 1: for me. For me, brother, he had were in the

1821
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 1: part where it is. But you know what in those

1822
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 1: times you're going back to five I'm talking about, I

1823
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 1: was smoking in I'm talking about, no, dude, I was.

1824
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 1: I had that good good everywhere I went. I had

1825
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 1: good goods. You're talking about, like I think he said

1826
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 1: something about somebody never bought weed. I never bought weed

1827
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 1: in my life. I never bought weed. I never bought

1828
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 1: weed in my life. I had homeboys bring me weed

1829
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:43,680
Speaker 1: all the time. But what I was dealing with in

1830
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: my personal life, my professional life, I had to get

1831
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 1: high because I couldn't deal with the pain that I

1832
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 1: was dealing with. I didn't want to look at it.

1833
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:53,680
Speaker 1: I didn't want to examine it. I didn't want to

1834
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 1: funk with it. Right, So when I got into the program,

1835
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:00,679
Speaker 1: I started to break ship down. And the first four

1836
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:04,600
Speaker 1: years like I was still the piece. Yeah, in the

1837
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: first four years. Steve LeBell has a program where they

1838
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 1: got the same ship to get you off of cocaine.

1839
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:14,520
Speaker 1: What's it like that? But put you all the marijuana?

1840
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 1: Hut you not wet? That's serious? Fellas missing him the

1841
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 1: point for him, Yes, man, I'm going to get hooked

1842
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:34,960
Speaker 1: on and that he was. He was not. He was

1843
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 1: not doing no crazy on Man one. I wouldn't hear

1844
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 1: the craziest thing you did on mat one. It's not

1845
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 1: about the craziest ship I did on maljuana. You're not

1846
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,400
Speaker 1: hearing what I'm saying. Definitely not. I'm so sorry. It's

1847
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 1: okay marijuan. And that's okay because look I'm not and

1848
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,360
Speaker 1: I think the thing is what you're hearing is I'm

1849
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 1: not telling you that marijuana is bad. Maljuana is great,

1850
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 1: because what I'm picturing is Robber Downey junior, and this

1851
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 1: is reference is actually a well you know, Robert Downe,

1852
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 1: I've never heard searching fuck up ship. I just never

1853
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:15,640
Speaker 1: heard of it. I've never heard of it. Bro. We

1854
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:20,559
Speaker 1: searched the people section. No, but it's not because it

1855
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 1: wasn't about what I did in the streets. It's what

1856
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 1: it did to me. And I was faced. I was

1857
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 1: faced with a choice. And when I first looked at it,

1858
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 1: I thought like you like, I'm like, oh, motherfucker's are crazy.

1859
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 1: You know this is all bullshit. I remember the first

1860
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 1: time I ever went to a meeting, the first meeting

1861
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 1: I ever went to, there was a dude sitting across

1862
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: from me, looks like a fucking racist. I'm from Queens.

1863
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 1: He's fucking big white dude. He's in a cut, got

1864
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:58,400
Speaker 1: a big gass bid named Rich, big Rich. Definitely a

1865
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 1: truck drop dude. And the first thing, and the first

1866
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 1: thing I'm in my fucking in this meeting saying, is like, Yo,

1867
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: this dude's gonna open up his mouth and I'm gonna

1868
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 1: punch him in his fucking mouth. I got my little

1869
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:11,719
Speaker 1: jig on me. I'm a funk. I'm I'm just waiting.

1870
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:15,280
Speaker 1: But he's the nicest guy in the world, worst, worse.

1871
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 1: He opened up his mouth and told my story. He

1872
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 1: shared his experience, strength and hope, and it was my

1873
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 1: fucking story in a dude and a human being that

1874
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 1: I would have no connection within the street. He don't

1875
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 1: listen to what I listened to. He don't move how

1876
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,600
Speaker 1: I move, he don't like what I like. But his

1877
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:37,200
Speaker 1: experience was my experience, and it broke me. I fucking

1878
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: cried like a baby for forty five minutes in that meeting.

1879
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 1: I couldn't even speak, and I realized, Yo, I got

1880
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:49,480
Speaker 1: a fucking problem. But the problem ain't that I'm the problem.

1881
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 1: But it took me four years of not doing that

1882
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:54,720
Speaker 1: to get to the point where, Okay, I gotta look

1883
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:57,640
Speaker 1: at myself real quick, I gotta look at myself, and

1884
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:00,799
Speaker 1: I gotta really really look at what like my wife sees,

1885
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:03,639
Speaker 1: my children see. Now harder this to make the MENSI

1886
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 1: a kid just sit in front of him and saying,

1887
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 1: this is why I was a horrible father, And have

1888
01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:12,679
Speaker 1: your children tell you, yeah, you're you're fucked up person.

1889
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 1: And it's not about forgiveness. And that's the other thing

1890
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 1: people don't realize. It's not about you saying I forgive you.

1891
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:22,760
Speaker 1: I've made immens to people that people said, okay, you're

1892
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:24,720
Speaker 1: still a piece of ship. Fuck you, And I said,

1893
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:28,040
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for hearing me, thank you for understanding,

1894
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:31,599
Speaker 1: thank you for allowing me to tell you my role.

1895
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 1: And that's it, and I keep it moving. So it's

1896
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 1: not about that. It's not about that. It's not about

1897
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:40,880
Speaker 1: he's bounding down. When the dude came to him and

1898
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:44,040
Speaker 1: he said, you know, I want to apologize to you,

1899
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 1: fucking your sister. No, ye, your wife do. The guy

1900
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:03,960
Speaker 1: didn't even trust me my man, I mean with the guy,

1901
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm only board. You wouldn't get a candle.

1902
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:12,679
Speaker 1: So for me again, so for me, and and again

1903
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 1: for me, it was really a very simple process as

1904
01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 1: a cannabis agricultural advocate. Depends where you finish. I figured, yes, certain,

1905
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:28,599
Speaker 1: you need to get back into cannabis. No, not gonna

1906
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 1: have to get back into it. You need to get

1907
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 1: back in the canaps some way. It was very safe. No,

1908
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the only way I'll get back into

1909
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 1: cannabis is me and my partner's own a spot. Exactly.

1910
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:41,559
Speaker 1: You don't see what that's what I'm saying you don't

1911
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:45,559
Speaker 1: never get you don't don't get us on your own supplot. Brother,

1912
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:50,320
Speaker 1: you don't CBD, you never had a c because again

1913
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 1: another it's all it's all about, it's all about understanding

1914
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 1: that one is too many in a thousand's never Okay,

1915
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:01,960
Speaker 1: CBD doesn't get you high. But I've had this argument.

1916
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: So the argument I've had this argument don't get you high.

1917
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 1: But the argument the argument is is it's like, I'll

1918
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 1: give you a perfect example, Mascotta. I've heard this argument

1919
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 1: all the time. Mascott was only like less than one

1920
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:20,479
Speaker 1: percent alcohol. It's a sparkling drink, right, right, So is

1921
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 1: that for an alcoholic a gateway to this to that,

1922
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 1: to that to that? Right? So for me, I don't

1923
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 1: I can't talk for anybody else. For me, I don't

1924
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,759
Speaker 1: funk with none of it because for me, I'm happy

1925
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,840
Speaker 1: with where I am today. I fucking feel so fucking good,

1926
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:43,960
Speaker 1: fucking feel good. The only thing I don't feel good

1927
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:45,800
Speaker 1: about is I'm a fat fuck So I gotta lose

1928
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 1: this weight. But that's also a part of my process,

1929
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 1: right because now I've you know, do I like doughnuts? Yeah,

1930
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 1: but I gotta get rid of them. I gotta get no,

1931
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:59,600
Speaker 1: no, no no, I'm not that friends over there, so that

1932
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 1: if you don't know that might be, but like, but people,

1933
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:12,719
Speaker 1: but people, you know you know what, people but people,

1934
01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 1: I think make this invalid, inaccurate assumption. Dude, I'm around

1935
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 1: all of y'all. Y'alla are smoking. I'm not triggering. You

1936
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,720
Speaker 1: know why, because it ain't for me. It's like when

1937
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 1: dudes go to a bar and they don't drink, why

1938
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 1: it ain't for them? Dude, I agree with you, and

1939
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 1: I want to be really clear baka rock Crystal Clear

1940
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 1: on this. All right. I'm glad you can smoke and

1941
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 1: feel good about it. I'm glad everybody in here that

1942
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 1: smokes and puffs trees feel good about it. It don't

1943
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:53,759
Speaker 1: work for me, said, I'm want the noise for that,

1944
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,679
Speaker 1: and that's real, that's really it's good. But I'm gonna

1945
01:52:56,760 --> 01:52:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pop. I think you gotta go with the

1946
01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:04,800
Speaker 1: gold to golden and after that after platinum. Yeah, you

1947
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:08,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Can I can I ask you

1948
01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:11,040
Speaker 1: a question? All right? So this is what I want

1949
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 1: to ask you about um about CNN, Right, so after

1950
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:23,000
Speaker 1: the war report drops, you do four hundred nobody expected

1951
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 1: you to do none of that right, nobody did right

1952
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:31,679
Speaker 1: war report. Did you ever feel like there was gonna

1953
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:34,479
Speaker 1: be a part of you that was missing if you

1954
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 1: went solo? Was there ever a part of you that

1955
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 1: was like, damn when my man went away and all

1956
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:43,839
Speaker 1: of that, I shouldn't do an R album, I shouldn't

1957
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 1: continue making music. I should hold off and wait, like

1958
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 1: the way like MLP might have done, or way other

1959
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 1: people might have done. Was ever part of that you

1960
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:54,040
Speaker 1: that said, you know what I gotta I gotta fall

1961
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:58,880
Speaker 1: back and hold off. No. That was a decisive answer,

1962
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:04,240
Speaker 1: um because it was like, oh, ship Peter Roseburg, that's Peter.

1963
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 1: You cool, Peter, love Peter. That's my dude. Another great

1964
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:10,680
Speaker 1: jewe and hip hop by the way, all right, let's

1965
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 1: let's Seev picks up. I don't know what he just

1966
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:15,400
Speaker 1: hit me. I don't know. Let ce he picks up.

1967
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 1: Did somebody called Peter and tell him I was here?

1968
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:33,080
Speaker 1: Is that good? Look? Look he's sleeping off? Yeah? Let yo,

1969
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 1: you know yo. You know what Sean Peck says, Right,

1970
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 1: men shouldn't face time each other. That's the violation. How you, Pete?

1971
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:48,200
Speaker 1: What's going on with you? We doing? Hold on you

1972
01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 1: got a hold come on a third day? Yeah it no, no,

1973
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:56,000
Speaker 1: talk to him, talk to me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you

1974
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:58,880
Speaker 1: don't even know what the fuck. It's just some weird shape.

1975
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 1: What up? How you sure you don't face time with

1976
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:04,840
Speaker 1: men like this? Yeah, it's definitely a bad little I'm

1977
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:08,760
Speaker 1: gonna taco. Hey, man, did you guys start yet? Yeah,

1978
01:55:08,840 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 1: we've been we're a little bit. We're like our three

1979
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 1: already coming up on the third hour, so you know,

1980
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, and Kane has come to see you on

1981
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:20,520
Speaker 1: the twenty seven. I know you're happy about that we

1982
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 1: got you, and I'm looking forward to it. Man, So

1983
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:25,520
Speaker 1: what's uping? Man chilling? I just want you to feel

1984
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 1: awkward now and I have to sit in the sun

1985
01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:34,720
Speaker 1: nahu that Yeah, yeah, when you get I just wanted

1986
01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 1: to make sure you thought it was funny. And then

1987
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking ship all right, cool because you know

1988
01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:42,200
Speaker 1: I got jokes back, so it was okay, okay, hey

1989
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 1: hang a wait wait, wait, hold on, hold on, ye hey, um,

1990
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 1: sorry brother, talking about I'm about to be down to

1991
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:57,440
Speaker 1: do it a luminati too. That's a funny story. That's

1992
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 1: a funny start. When I was, when I was, when

1993
01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:04,720
Speaker 1: I was when I was doing radio in Detroit. I

1994
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:08,560
Speaker 1: get a call to the newsroom. Your sir Shine is

1995
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 1: on the phone. Oh shot, And I'm like, oh shan, pope.

1996
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm like the orchidage right, So he just got he

1997
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 1: was just maybe it was about a year and a half.

1998
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, we gotta record. There's gotta be lives.

1999
01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:25,080
Speaker 1: There's kind of shot me for one second. Actually, one thing.

2000
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 1: You can ask me whatever you want because you say

2001
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 1: you olibriliate it. You are out of this world. And

2002
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 1: that's how I made up, made up and I'm using it.

2003
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:37,600
Speaker 1: It does not affect you. Smelling this drinking that can

2004
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:40,320
Speaker 1: you open up a bottle of page you can open

2005
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 1: it up of the films like Wings, But listen, don't

2006
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 1: sunk this up. He's can I just tell you kind

2007
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:53,880
Speaker 1: of open I'm a fucking jew. I know what the man.

2008
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:57,640
Speaker 1: Let's let's see if we've still got it, still got

2009
01:56:57,720 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 1: the last? Have you over the more? That's a fine

2010
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:05,720
Speaker 1: ittle hampagne. That's that's that's twee hunt it. Let's see

2011
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:11,280
Speaker 1: that and it is hip my own too. Let's see

2012
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 1: if you can do it. But I see the tab

2013
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,040
Speaker 1: hold on, Okay, you gotta, I gotta the last time

2014
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:19,440
Speaker 1: you open a bottle of champagne. Oh boy, um, probably

2015
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 1: my kids, my kids bartzh Okay, So two thousand and

2016
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:29,000
Speaker 1: four teen, okay, two fourteen, okay, thousand fourteen. Okay, you

2017
01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 1: still think you got the skills? Oh yeah, okay, we're

2018
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 1: gonna test you out right now, because as you know,

2019
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:40,600
Speaker 1: the skills all that when you open up a bottle

2020
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 1: of champagne, the kids, it's the Jewish secret. No, just

2021
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:48,120
Speaker 1: the Champagne secret. Unless you want to get me a saber.

2022
01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:49,720
Speaker 1: And I can do a saber. Stuff. I don't know

2023
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:51,960
Speaker 1: what you're gonna cut. You're gonna cut the joints. If

2024
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:53,360
Speaker 1: you have a saber, I can do it that way.

2025
01:57:53,800 --> 01:57:56,560
Speaker 1: So the key is right, I want to hold it

2026
01:57:56,680 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 1: to the thumb, okay, right, because don't know if the

2027
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:04,520
Speaker 1: arra is coming this way, right, So let's get that off.

2028
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:10,760
Speaker 1: That's what she said, she said. Okay, huh, little type,

2029
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:16,240
Speaker 1: that's what she said. Okay, now track is want to

2030
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 1: twist let the error, guys, I'm not going he with

2031
01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:36,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Listen, hold on, did you hear

2032
01:58:36,720 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 1: that the air It wasn't even what he popped. It

2033
01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:52,160
Speaker 1: was the ear. That's perfect ear buzz. I'm not gonna sorrow.

2034
01:58:54,000 --> 01:59:00,400
Speaker 1: Did you borrow by year? That's what the guys who

2035
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:15,000
Speaker 1: coming there, you know, you know he only that that

2036
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 1: was all that, That was no search. Let me just

2037
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 1: say something, man, you're relegion. When we started the show

2038
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 1: like this, this is where our purpose was was. You know,

2039
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:30,520
Speaker 1: you figured that these new guys, they have their other platforms.

2040
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 1: You make these new records, and it's great and we

2041
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:34,240
Speaker 1: want to support them too. I don't want to feel

2042
01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 1: like a drink. Champs will support the new generation. We

2043
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:40,160
Speaker 1: do support the new generation. It's our focuses on the

2044
01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:43,520
Speaker 1: generation that came before us, the generation that laid it

2045
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:47,040
Speaker 1: down for prior to us, and we want to continue

2046
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:50,320
Speaker 1: to do that. When we have artists like you, it's

2047
01:59:50,360 --> 01:59:52,320
Speaker 1: such an honor, it's such a pleasure and it's such

2048
01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 1: a just a moment for us. Feel like like this

2049
01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:56,520
Speaker 1: what you were saying just now, I was just falling

2050
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 1: back into the fan mold like and I'm sitting back

2051
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,280
Speaker 1: because some of the ships I knew, and that some

2052
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:03,120
Speaker 1: of about Google and something that I was just like,

2053
02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't even I just want to figure it out

2054
02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:11,840
Speaker 1: right now, and such a beautiful moment for me. I

2055
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:15,440
Speaker 1: know it's such a beautiful moment for him. Um, And

2056
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:17,360
Speaker 1: we want to thank you in your face. We want to,

2057
02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, tell you how much we appreciate for what

2058
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:22,960
Speaker 1: you're doing, because there's a lot of people who had

2059
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:25,680
Speaker 1: your positions, had your moments, had your time. I could

2060
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:28,280
Speaker 1: have said, you know why I did it. I did

2061
02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:29,840
Speaker 1: my part. Let me get out of here, let me

2062
02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:33,640
Speaker 1: take my money and let me get the away, let

2063
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:36,680
Speaker 1: me get out of here. But one of the things,

2064
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:38,840
Speaker 1: and I will say this, you know, one of the things,

2065
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:43,240
Speaker 1: And I feel the same way. This is a fan

2066
02:00:43,480 --> 02:00:45,440
Speaker 1: boy moment for me too, because I'm such a fan

2067
02:00:45,480 --> 02:00:49,480
Speaker 1: of yours. Not only because not only because I love

2068
02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:52,680
Speaker 1: being on the road with you, being a small part

2069
02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:56,600
Speaker 1: of a great record, getting on the radio and doing that.

2070
02:00:56,840 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 1: But what you guys have built is what I strive for.

2071
02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:04,360
Speaker 1: You know, even with my Search Says podcast, even with

2072
02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:07,360
Speaker 1: my individual podcast, Like I study what you do in

2073
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:10,360
Speaker 1: your interviews so that when I do my interviews, I

2074
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:12,400
Speaker 1: know I'm I'm ready for it. Like I'm trying to

2075
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:13,800
Speaker 1: be the how it's turning to hip hop, Like I

2076
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:16,080
Speaker 1: want to fucking hit people over the head with ship,

2077
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:19,040
Speaker 1: but they go, oh ship, Like when I hit Chris

2078
02:01:19,160 --> 02:01:21,080
Speaker 1: Rock over the head with knowing that he had he

2079
02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:24,120
Speaker 1: was on the spectrum of aspergers, he didn't even you know,

2080
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Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like I mean, like

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Speaker 1: you know, or talking to like Kamal Bell about growing

2082
02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:31,680
Speaker 1: up in Oakland and knowing about him that you know,

2083
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:35,000
Speaker 1: talking to fucking Roger Clemens about the blood blister on

2084
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Speaker 1: it in eight six and how it was bullshit and

2085
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Speaker 1: that you know what I'm saying, like so like I

2086
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:45,440
Speaker 1: like to get it, but that is you returning what

2087
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 1: I gave to y'all. You know what I mean. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm here, That's why I sat down. That's

2089
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Speaker 1: why I wanted to be a part of this. But

2090
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:53,480
Speaker 1: you so much of a legend man, like when you

2091
02:01:53,600 --> 02:01:55,600
Speaker 1: look at you know. But I didn't want to say

2092
02:01:55,640 --> 02:02:04,280
Speaker 1: this real quickly. I'm sorry because because when I when

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02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:07,520
Speaker 1: we build, when we build the vote, when we when

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02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:11,720
Speaker 1: we build new vote, right one of the things, right,

2095
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:15,520
Speaker 1: when we build a new vote. My philosophy was real simple.

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02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:18,440
Speaker 1: When I went to the company, I said, I want

2097
02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:23,520
Speaker 1: to create my department to help artists and do integrations

2098
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Speaker 1: so that they don't have recoupment on their videos. So

2099
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:32,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna pay for a hundred percent of their videos

2100
02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:36,400
Speaker 1: and only take ten percent of the time. Right. In

2101
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:39,080
Speaker 1: three years two thousand and eight to two thousand eleven,

2102
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:45,400
Speaker 1: we gave Atlantic Records two point six million dollars. We

2103
02:02:45,480 --> 02:02:48,680
Speaker 1: gave Deaf Jam three million dollars. We gave Capital, we

2104
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:51,920
Speaker 1: gave Sony, we gave our c A millions of dollars.

2105
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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying we didn't make it, because we did.

2106
02:02:54,280 --> 02:02:57,920
Speaker 1: We sold New Vote to eleven Giago for three hundred

2107
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:02,600
Speaker 1: seventy six million in four years. I'm about accelerating opportunity.

2108
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:07,640
Speaker 1: But my philosophy was simple, give to the artists. Make

2109
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 1: sure that this company benefits artists first and foremost, and

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02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:13,960
Speaker 1: then everything else will come back. You know. It's just

2111
02:03:14,120 --> 02:03:16,920
Speaker 1: like what the God says, born to born, right, that

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02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:20,120
Speaker 1: that tent to agree, that that that knowledge has to

2113
02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:23,720
Speaker 1: come back. So what you guys are doing for people

2114
02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:25,960
Speaker 1: like me, and the reason I was able to make

2115
02:03:26,040 --> 02:03:29,000
Speaker 1: my joint venture with Sony is this is an example. Well,

2116
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:31,280
Speaker 1: we're all building off each other's back. That's the point

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02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:35,200
Speaker 1: that we've kind of been talking over. And it's also

2118
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, goes back to your union and goes back

2119
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:38,720
Speaker 1: to all the people that are here that make this

2120
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:42,200
Speaker 1: show possible. Your engineer, the sound guys, the guys that

2121
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, compromise their time. You know, the one most

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02:03:46,280 --> 02:03:50,160
Speaker 1: valuable commodity we have beyond money is time. We don't

2123
02:03:50,200 --> 02:03:52,600
Speaker 1: ever get it back this, you know, whatever time it

2124
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:54,160
Speaker 1: is now, because I don't want to date it because

2125
02:03:54,160 --> 02:03:57,080
Speaker 1: it might be ever greeness content. The time we have now,

2126
02:03:57,560 --> 02:04:01,840
Speaker 1: we never get it back. So let's manufacture our time

2127
02:04:02,680 --> 02:04:05,600
Speaker 1: to equate the greatness you know what I mean, because

2128
02:04:05,600 --> 02:04:09,280
Speaker 1: everything else is bullshit. Everything else don't mean ship. Yeah,

2129
02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean. We can drink all the wine and we want.

2130
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:13,160
Speaker 1: We can drink all we can smoke all the we

2131
02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:15,920
Speaker 1: we want, But if we don't maximize our time and

2132
02:04:16,040 --> 02:04:18,360
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing and doing what you know, what

2133
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:22,880
Speaker 1: the fund is it for. That's true, that's true. That's true.

2134
02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:25,960
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something real quick about Searchlight, because

2135
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:29,280
Speaker 1: I swear to God that I've seen Searchlight forever. Did

2136
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:33,840
Speaker 1: you sell the company? I closed it? The only thing

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02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:37,280
Speaker 1: that exists now is Searchlight Publishing because there's just too much.

2138
02:04:37,880 --> 02:04:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we got obviously, we got nas you know

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02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:43,600
Speaker 1: that we administered but we also work with Ashley Rose

2140
02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:46,080
Speaker 1: is a amazing writer. She wrote for a Seventh Street

2141
02:04:46,120 --> 02:04:49,280
Speaker 1: Or Chris Brown, Body James, who's down with Griselda did

2142
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:52,520
Speaker 1: the VERSACEI tape. You know he's down with that. Kevil

2143
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:55,400
Speaker 1: de Grade, who wrote for like a gang of artists

2144
02:04:55,400 --> 02:04:58,680
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, A man big said, who's down here working

2145
02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:01,080
Speaker 1: with arn and working city girls and all that ship.

2146
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:04,440
Speaker 1: So the only thing that existed Searchlight, Searchlight publishing. Everything

2147
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:08,720
Speaker 1: else I closed. And when I had my own personal awakening,

2148
02:05:09,240 --> 02:05:11,440
Speaker 1: I said to my wife, I said, you know, it

2149
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:15,400
Speaker 1: can't be about me anymore. I got amazing kids, You're amazing.

2150
02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:18,760
Speaker 1: And if I would have spent a tenth of my

2151
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:21,040
Speaker 1: time listening to my wife, I would have been a

2152
02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:23,920
Speaker 1: hundred times more successful. So I said to my wife,

2153
02:05:24,360 --> 02:05:29,080
Speaker 1: take everything she My wife owns, the royalties, owns, the

2154
02:05:29,160 --> 02:05:31,920
Speaker 1: publishing owns them, that everything. And if I want to

2155
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:35,480
Speaker 1: do something in business, I talked to Chantel. First, I

2156
02:05:35,560 --> 02:05:40,160
Speaker 1: can't make any decisions. Yep, Black and Puerto Rican Right, Cool, Cool,

2157
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:58,720
Speaker 1: She's through. You see what's going to Gary Old is

2158
02:05:58,760 --> 02:06:02,160
Speaker 1: still a right to the barbecue after us. So I'm

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02:06:02,240 --> 02:06:04,320
Speaker 1: with him. I'm with my with my bride thirty three

2160
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:08,480
Speaker 1: years so. Um so when I created four Him seeing

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02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:10,960
Speaker 1: and I made it about the kids, and I made

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02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:14,120
Speaker 1: it about my wife. It's because that is that is,

2163
02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:16,600
Speaker 1: that is my son, my my birth and my moon.

2164
02:06:17,120 --> 02:06:20,200
Speaker 1: And if I would have because and I know he

2165
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:22,560
Speaker 1: got it in him, it's just something about blacks and

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02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:24,640
Speaker 1: Puerto Ricans that got it in him. My wife was

2167
02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:26,840
Speaker 1: she could sit me down with you for five minutes.

2168
02:06:27,240 --> 02:06:29,600
Speaker 1: Five minutes, she'll walk away from table and say, don't

2169
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:32,640
Speaker 1: funk with him, or the opposite, fun with him. And

2170
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Speaker 1: I used to say this, come on, you don't know, no,

2171
02:06:37,120 --> 02:06:42,000
Speaker 1: not good beyond that, beyond that. And if I would

2172
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:44,880
Speaker 1: have just spent a tenth of my time with her

2173
02:06:45,400 --> 02:06:49,280
Speaker 1: saying you're right, I would have been a hundred times

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Speaker 1: more successful a hundred times. So now the last five

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02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:57,640
Speaker 1: years of my company with four him C has been

2176
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:00,240
Speaker 1: fifty times more successful than it's ever been in the

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Speaker 1: years pride, because I look at her and I say,

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02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:06,440
Speaker 1: what do you think, m And she says, give me

2179
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:08,840
Speaker 1: all the information. She says to me, and I'll start

2180
02:07:08,920 --> 02:07:12,960
Speaker 1: talking and she does, Michael land the plane, land the plane,

2181
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:15,720
Speaker 1: and then she says, I want to meet him yeah,

2182
02:07:16,240 --> 02:07:19,680
Speaker 1: And if those two things don't happen, deals just just

2183
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:23,560
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Beautiful. And I know you got it too.

2184
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:32,240
Speaker 1: So what's next, What's next? What's next? You know? What's next?

2185
02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:36,560
Speaker 1: Honestly is Thomas Podcast Company. You know, I believe it's

2186
02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:39,480
Speaker 1: a complete network. It's a joint venture that we did

2187
02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:45,920
Speaker 1: with Sony and The Orchard. It is a entire organization. Um.

2188
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:52,520
Speaker 1: I believe that that the titles and the colloquialisms that

2189
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:55,560
Speaker 1: we put on our culture is fucked up because we

2190
02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:57,480
Speaker 1: are not classic, we are not old school, and our

2191
02:07:57,560 --> 02:08:02,080
Speaker 1: legend we are timeless. So I call everything I do timeless.

2192
02:08:02,440 --> 02:08:06,840
Speaker 1: Thomless Podcast Coming Me, Thomless Um Distribution and and the

2193
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:10,000
Speaker 1: Thomless Podcast Companies about telling our stories, but telling it

2194
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:12,560
Speaker 1: in a way that will live forever. And one of

2195
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:15,080
Speaker 1: my favorite things to listen to in the archives radio

2196
02:08:15,200 --> 02:08:20,160
Speaker 1: archives is Orson Welles when he did the broadcast in

2197
02:08:20,240 --> 02:08:23,640
Speaker 1: nineteen World or the World Theater of the Mind, and

2198
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:26,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that times a hundred. And when

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02:08:26,720 --> 02:08:29,960
Speaker 1: I heard Kane's story and he started blessing me, because

2200
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:32,240
Speaker 1: that's really what Kane did. I mean, he blessed me

2201
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Speaker 1: with nine episodes of just should he never talked about.

2202
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:39,840
Speaker 1: I said, it can't be just this I got. I

2203
02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:43,680
Speaker 1: want to hear the fucking leaves rustling on fucking on

2204
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:46,440
Speaker 1: his block. I want to hear yo. He grew up

2205
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:49,000
Speaker 1: across the street from Divine Sounds. I talked to Disco

2206
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:52,080
Speaker 1: Ritchie about what people do for money, and we built

2207
02:08:52,120 --> 02:08:54,640
Speaker 1: the sound design all around that, you know what I'm saying,

2208
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:57,840
Speaker 1: so when you hear it, and even created at the show.

2209
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Speaker 1: At the beginning of our show, a mercer of sound design,

2210
02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:04,440
Speaker 1: we have a trademarked registered sound effect that was built

2211
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:08,480
Speaker 1: in a studio my Man Epic and Sugar Studios that

2212
02:09:08,680 --> 02:09:13,400
Speaker 1: was built to encapsulate everything you're going to here, everything

2213
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:16,120
Speaker 1: that you hear. So everything that we do in Times

2214
02:09:16,240 --> 02:09:18,800
Speaker 1: podcast is based on immersive sound design and we have

2215
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:22,240
Speaker 1: amazing partners and and you know obviously so there's there's

2216
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:23,760
Speaker 1: that It's called did I have tell you to one

2217
02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:26,800
Speaker 1: about podcast? To have tell you about Big Daddy Kane

2218
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:31,760
Speaker 1: Um premiers a We got Search Says podcast, which is

2219
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:35,040
Speaker 1: just an interview, you know, kicking it with people. We

2220
02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:38,160
Speaker 1: have the Breaking Animity podcast which is coming in the summer.

2221
02:09:38,480 --> 02:09:40,920
Speaker 1: We have Line for Line which you're gonna love. It's

2222
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:44,280
Speaker 1: two m c s talking about how much they influenced

2223
02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:47,000
Speaker 1: each other. So the first season is DMC and Chuck

2224
02:09:47,120 --> 02:09:49,400
Speaker 1: d Here's here's a little and here's a little treat

2225
02:09:49,440 --> 02:09:51,120
Speaker 1: for you. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna bang your head

2226
02:09:51,160 --> 02:09:53,560
Speaker 1: with this one. Get a little more sauced. I'm gonna

2227
02:09:53,560 --> 02:09:56,919
Speaker 1: bang your head. The original name of DMC, the original

2228
02:09:57,080 --> 02:10:02,600
Speaker 1: name that wasn't supposed to be in a group. DMC

2229
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:04,280
Speaker 1: was not supposed to be in the group. It was

2230
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:08,600
Speaker 1: just Joey, Joey and j smps. Right, Joey said, Hey,

2231
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:10,480
Speaker 1: I know you've got some ROMs come to the studio.

2232
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:13,360
Speaker 1: Just comes to the studio and kicked the rooms. And

2233
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:16,160
Speaker 1: they did. They did. Suck MC's right, he said at

2234
02:10:16,160 --> 02:10:21,240
Speaker 1: the d m C. Right right. Russell says to Joey,

2235
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:24,880
Speaker 1: if this doesn't work out, we're gonna call the group

2236
02:10:25,120 --> 02:10:28,400
Speaker 1: run the m C because it will be run. But

2237
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:31,000
Speaker 1: after Daryl kicked his verse, Russell was so happy. They

2238
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:35,280
Speaker 1: called it run DMC for Daryl McDaniels, and he blessed

2239
02:10:35,480 --> 02:10:38,400
Speaker 1: us on our podcast. Were the first people that he

2240
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:41,880
Speaker 1: that he tells the whole story. That's what Timeless is

2241
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:44,720
Speaker 1: about man, It's making this ship evergreen so that when

2242
02:10:44,760 --> 02:10:47,840
Speaker 1: people look back and we're gonna talk to the new artists,

2243
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:49,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to them, and you know, we have

2244
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:51,600
Speaker 1: another great show that we're lining up and all of that.

2245
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:54,480
Speaker 1: But the time this podcast company is about this. It's

2246
02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:57,440
Speaker 1: about making our stories evergreen, making them last for ever.

2247
02:10:57,560 --> 02:11:00,560
Speaker 1: And Kana is the first iteration of them that makes

2248
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:08,040
Speaker 1: a noise of that. I ain't gonna love search. He

2249
02:11:08,200 --> 02:11:11,600
Speaker 1: was my man. You actually one of the people that

2250
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:15,120
Speaker 1: I sit down and you tell your story and I

2251
02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:19,080
Speaker 1: can co sign it all the way through. You are

2252
02:11:19,120 --> 02:11:23,280
Speaker 1: absolutely right. Um. I met you to a Canelli. I

2253
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:26,680
Speaker 1: had my tr I record and a couple of records,

2254
02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:29,360
Speaker 1: and you bruught me on tour. We went on tour.

2255
02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:32,520
Speaker 1: We had a beautiful time, and I want to thank

2256
02:11:32,600 --> 02:11:36,560
Speaker 1: you to your face as a man, because, um, there's

2257
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:37,920
Speaker 1: a lot of things that you did in the hip

2258
02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:40,960
Speaker 1: hop that you didn't have to do, and you did it.

2259
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,800
Speaker 1: And just in case you ever not felt like you

2260
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:46,960
Speaker 1: got your flowers, So you get your flowers. We invented.

2261
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:50,160
Speaker 1: We ain't invent the actual statement of giving the flowers.

2262
02:11:50,680 --> 02:11:55,800
Speaker 1: We we we made it famous. In the hip hop sorry,

2263
02:11:56,080 --> 02:11:58,800
Speaker 1: because because I could just remember and it was so

2264
02:11:58,920 --> 02:12:03,680
Speaker 1: beautiful like today and yesterday. I just spent these two

2265
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:06,440
Speaker 1: days just watching all your videos and I like, you know,

2266
02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:08,120
Speaker 1: my man with them, you got you got more with

2267
02:12:08,240 --> 02:12:11,280
Speaker 1: them to me on the like when I looked, I said,

2268
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was doing a little like

2269
02:12:16,160 --> 02:12:18,600
Speaker 1: like you know, like he was really dicing like back

2270
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:24,920
Speaker 1: then you had the day he just ship was my

2271
02:12:25,040 --> 02:12:27,520
Speaker 1: first tour that we haven't went on was too short, right,

2272
02:12:28,120 --> 02:12:29,800
Speaker 1: because you know, we had the West coast and its

2273
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:31,440
Speaker 1: coast locked up, but we had to do the Midwest.

2274
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:34,040
Speaker 1: So Russell was telling me, oh, this is due too short,

2275
02:12:34,200 --> 02:12:37,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, Bona macke I know about I

2276
02:12:37,240 --> 02:12:39,960
Speaker 1: know about short talk. So we go and our first

2277
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:43,320
Speaker 1: show is, I don't know, somewhere blank, middle, middle of

2278
02:12:43,400 --> 02:12:48,280
Speaker 1: the country, somewhere. We get on stage and typical New Yorker.

2279
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:52,240
Speaker 1: Everybody knows me, everybody knows third Days, right, You're thinking this,

2280
02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:57,200
Speaker 1: of course, because I'm from New York. Everybody else, right, Yeah,

2281
02:12:57,320 --> 02:13:03,280
Speaker 1: that's a factor. I don't go. There was New York

2282
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:10,640
Speaker 1: and then the rest of the world. So we're in

2283
02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:14,760
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, right, it's just it's just mountains

2284
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:19,960
Speaker 1: and we're doing the show and Too Short loves all up. Yo,

2285
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:22,480
Speaker 1: hey player, blah blah blah blah blah, player player, Yo,

2286
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:24,600
Speaker 1: what up? Man? I go do your thing? Man, be

2287
02:13:24,680 --> 02:13:27,680
Speaker 1: on stage and watch you do your thing. Yo, I'm

2288
02:13:27,720 --> 02:13:30,040
Speaker 1: talking about the crowd was there. They were like, you know,

2289
02:13:30,160 --> 02:13:33,080
Speaker 1: they were polite. You know, they were polite, and they

2290
02:13:33,160 --> 02:13:34,760
Speaker 1: kind of knew our records for you, you know, from

2291
02:13:34,800 --> 02:13:37,200
Speaker 1: BT and Young TV rep. Yo. I went out there,

2292
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:39,920
Speaker 1: dance in my asshole, I'm grabbing girls, I'm dancing me

2293
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:44,520
Speaker 1: and crowdstous game with us. So everybody, all the home

2294
02:13:44,520 --> 02:13:50,400
Speaker 1: boysn't out right right we leave, We're like, too short,

2295
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:54,200
Speaker 1: crowd is going crazy. Even before he touches the stage,

2296
02:13:54,600 --> 02:14:01,400
Speaker 1: Too Short walked across the stage and went and that's

2297
02:14:01,400 --> 02:14:08,640
Speaker 1: all he did for forty five and annihilated us. Annihilated us.

2298
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:10,440
Speaker 1: We got back to the bus, it was like three

2299
02:14:10,600 --> 02:14:13,400
Speaker 1: people there at his bus. It couldn't even leave. So

2300
02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, he must have this city on lock.

2301
02:14:15,480 --> 02:14:18,960
Speaker 1: We'll go to the next one. It was Oklahoma, same ship.

2302
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm dancing. I mean, I'm now I'm doing the worm.

2303
02:14:22,360 --> 02:14:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get yo. I'm I'm like, yo, I'm

2304
02:14:26,360 --> 02:14:32,200
Speaker 1: just just all this stuff hop through my leg? Can

2305
02:14:32,280 --> 02:14:40,240
Speaker 1: it play style? Like I'm fucking amped? Right, And that's

2306
02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:42,160
Speaker 1: when I knew. So there's two times when I knew

2307
02:14:42,160 --> 02:14:49,040
Speaker 1: that New York wasn't ship. That was a fact, but

2308
02:14:49,160 --> 02:14:51,480
Speaker 1: it is what it is. But the second one was

2309
02:14:51,600 --> 02:14:53,520
Speaker 1: when we went on the on the road public Enemy.

2310
02:14:53,680 --> 02:14:57,160
Speaker 1: So it's publicly Enemy, digital underground quin laity for native tongues. Right,

2311
02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:59,480
Speaker 1: we get down south and I used to love. What

2312
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:00,880
Speaker 1: I used to of is I usaid, love to go

2313
02:15:00,920 --> 02:15:03,000
Speaker 1: to side of stage and see the lineup because it

2314
02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:05,640
Speaker 1: would usually be bah blah blah blah blah or Cane

2315
02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:07,960
Speaker 1: and then Cane and Public Enemy or third Base Public Enemy.

2316
02:15:08,520 --> 02:15:12,520
Speaker 1: We get down South Vanmouge blah blah blah blah blah,

2317
02:15:13,080 --> 02:15:15,560
Speaker 1: Third Base, Public Enemy, two Love Crew, and I'm like, oh,

2318
02:15:15,640 --> 02:15:18,480
Speaker 1: this's gotta be a problem here. And I go to Chuck.

2319
02:15:19,000 --> 02:15:22,440
Speaker 1: I said, Chuck the honest, they funked up the lineup.

2320
02:15:23,480 --> 02:15:25,640
Speaker 1: He's like, no, one, No, they didn't. I said, yeah

2321
02:15:25,640 --> 02:15:28,440
Speaker 1: they did, man, you're fucking public Enemy. He's like watch

2322
02:15:29,240 --> 02:15:31,480
Speaker 1: and I said, watch what fucking two Love Crew? They

2323
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:34,840
Speaker 1: got one record? He says, search shut up and watch,

2324
02:15:35,680 --> 02:15:37,960
Speaker 1: and we got to the southe of the stage. We performed,

2325
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:42,680
Speaker 1: crowd goes crazy. Public Enemy performs, crowd goes crazy, and

2326
02:15:42,760 --> 02:15:46,520
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden the cops come in. And

2327
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:48,920
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, two Love Crew hits the

2328
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:51,480
Speaker 1: stage and Luke says, hey, they ain't going out to

2329
02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:54,320
Speaker 1: say that works? Are you're gonna say him? Hey, we

2330
02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:59,320
Speaker 1: want to pose? And they didn't have to say one word.

2331
02:15:59,840 --> 02:16:01,640
Speaker 1: I never seen a dance like this in my life.

2332
02:16:01,680 --> 02:16:05,080
Speaker 1: The upper row they were doing like fucking musical chairs

2333
02:16:05,160 --> 02:16:13,720
Speaker 1: around chairs, fucking talle no. So they didn't even do

2334
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:16,600
Speaker 1: they didn't even do the record. They didn't even do

2335
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:19,640
Speaker 1: me so Hawny, they didn't even do that. Then he goes,

2336
02:16:20,040 --> 02:16:24,320
Speaker 1: they don't say word, so d dud, dude. I'm like,

2337
02:16:24,440 --> 02:16:28,040
Speaker 1: what the fund are working with these motherfucker's? Did I

2338
02:16:28,360 --> 02:16:31,040
Speaker 1: recognized never gonna hurt before they got to me, so

2339
02:16:31,200 --> 02:16:34,720
Speaker 1: harny and I just and I feel the tap on

2340
02:16:34,800 --> 02:16:37,720
Speaker 1: my shoulder and he turned around it's and it's chucked

2341
02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:39,880
Speaker 1: and he says, you always let the hottest group close.

2342
02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:46,080
Speaker 1: So fast forward. We're in Europe. We're doing Public Enemy

2343
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:49,560
Speaker 1: Third Base World Tour. We have the number one record

2344
02:16:49,720 --> 02:16:52,560
Speaker 1: in the country of gas face. At the time, the

2345
02:16:52,680 --> 02:16:55,360
Speaker 1: Queen of England was trying to pass a law called

2346
02:16:55,400 --> 02:16:58,560
Speaker 1: the poll Tax p O L L Tax, and basically

2347
02:16:58,640 --> 02:17:00,560
Speaker 1: what it said was Pauliaman was trying and say, okay,

2348
02:17:01,080 --> 02:17:03,280
Speaker 1: every person in every household has to pay a flat

2349
02:17:03,320 --> 02:17:07,640
Speaker 1: tax pounds. Now, if you're a blue collar worker and

2350
02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:10,880
Speaker 1: you got mom, dad, two kids, ten thousand pounds forty

2351
02:17:10,920 --> 02:17:13,160
Speaker 1: thousand a year pounds, it's fine, it's not a big deal.

2352
02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:16,720
Speaker 1: But in the Trinity neighborhoods in Brixton and South London,

2353
02:17:17,360 --> 02:17:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, they had twelve people living under a roof

2354
02:17:20,200 --> 02:17:23,720
Speaker 1: Caribbean families. They couldn't afford that. Fucking yo. That's that's

2355
02:17:23,800 --> 02:17:26,320
Speaker 1: they don't They're not even bringing that home. It was

2356
02:17:26,480 --> 02:17:30,520
Speaker 1: civil unrest. I mean it was like black lives matter

2357
02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:35,440
Speaker 1: before black lives matter, I mean ash fucking barrels burning

2358
02:17:35,480 --> 02:17:38,120
Speaker 1: in the streets, no poll tax, all of that. We

2359
02:17:38,200 --> 02:17:40,440
Speaker 1: go to Brixton Academy, which is like the old one

2360
02:17:40,480 --> 02:17:44,000
Speaker 1: of the oldest theaters in London. In Brixton, I look

2361
02:17:44,040 --> 02:17:53,240
Speaker 1: at the public enemy third base right, So I'm like, okay, okay, okay, Flavor.

2362
02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:55,560
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. So this is this old rickety

2363
02:17:55,600 --> 02:18:00,680
Speaker 1: building with the base the building shaking. Flavor gets on

2364
02:18:00,879 --> 02:18:06,720
Speaker 1: top of a six stacked set of speakers and doing

2365
02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:09,160
Speaker 1: his Flavor dance. And this thing is rocking like this

2366
02:18:09,640 --> 02:18:11,760
Speaker 1: like I thought he was gonna kill himself. Crowd is

2367
02:18:11,879 --> 02:18:16,120
Speaker 1: going crazy. Trainees Pepper had Caribbean heads. Everybody. It's in

2368
02:18:16,200 --> 02:18:19,440
Speaker 1: the middle of Brixton. I come on stage. We come

2369
02:18:19,480 --> 02:18:22,360
Speaker 1: on stage. Crowd goes crazy. Right, We're gonna end with

2370
02:18:22,440 --> 02:18:25,920
Speaker 1: gas face. Everybody m c search. I cut off the music.

2371
02:18:26,760 --> 02:18:29,680
Speaker 1: I said, yo, black Cat is bad and I'm screaming

2372
02:18:29,720 --> 02:18:32,440
Speaker 1: it as loud as I can. Black Cat is bad luck.

2373
02:18:32,840 --> 02:18:35,720
Speaker 1: Bad guys wear black. Must have been the same queen

2374
02:18:35,800 --> 02:18:40,680
Speaker 1: that set up the poll tax get the We couldn't

2375
02:18:40,720 --> 02:18:44,119
Speaker 1: even finish the song. They ran into the streets they

2376
02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean it was crazy. Next day London Times Third

2377
02:18:48,720 --> 02:18:52,680
Speaker 1: Base gives the queen the gas face crazy right, crazy.

2378
02:18:53,160 --> 02:18:55,800
Speaker 1: We tore the country. We come back. We do Wembley,

2379
02:18:56,200 --> 02:18:59,520
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand people. Biggest show I ever seen

2380
02:18:59,560 --> 02:19:03,560
Speaker 1: in my life. Well the tennis shit Wimbley, No, that's

2381
02:19:03,600 --> 02:19:08,200
Speaker 1: when that's Wembley. The thing this is Wibley Arena. All right,

2382
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:12,480
Speaker 1: it's like a hundred sixty thousand people and it's now

2383
02:19:12,560 --> 02:19:15,200
Speaker 1: a third base and p that I go out there

2384
02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:18,240
Speaker 1: and we do gas and before my even verse comes on,

2385
02:19:18,640 --> 02:19:21,600
Speaker 1: the whole crowd black cat is bad luck. Bad guys

2386
02:19:21,680 --> 02:19:23,400
Speaker 1: were black must have been the same queen and set

2387
02:19:23,440 --> 02:19:27,080
Speaker 1: up the poll tech. Crowd went crazy. Crowd went crazy.

2388
02:19:28,760 --> 02:19:32,840
Speaker 1: I learned from from those guys that you always let

2389
02:19:33,400 --> 02:19:35,600
Speaker 1: the hottest group close. And when we went on tour

2390
02:19:36,400 --> 02:19:38,960
Speaker 1: on third days and we found out about Noughty and

2391
02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:41,280
Speaker 1: we found about Cyprus. When we were on the west coast,

2392
02:19:41,400 --> 02:19:45,560
Speaker 1: we let them close. Nordy, North Norton, Nordy on the

2393
02:19:45,600 --> 02:19:48,200
Speaker 1: east coast. Yeah, but they were the hottest on the west.

2394
02:19:48,440 --> 02:19:51,640
Speaker 1: It was hottest on the west. Okay, all right now,

2395
02:19:51,720 --> 02:19:56,440
Speaker 1: I also saw one thing too that you said you

2396
02:19:56,560 --> 02:19:59,640
Speaker 1: knew bush with Bill from bush Oh, yeah, from Brooklyn

2397
02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:02,280
Speaker 1: Busher Bills from Bushwick. Yeah, that's why they called him

2398
02:20:02,280 --> 02:20:08,199
Speaker 1: Bushwick Bill. I mean it makes sense. They were from Texas.

2399
02:20:08,760 --> 02:20:11,200
Speaker 1: Come on, man, DJ permitted from Texas to him. But

2400
02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:17,320
Speaker 1: he's from Brooklyn, now, yo. That fucked me up. As

2401
02:20:17,360 --> 02:20:22,879
Speaker 1: we see him with Jake friends, he's freaking move man,

2402
02:20:22,920 --> 02:20:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm from I didn't know it's different like I thought

2403
02:20:30,320 --> 02:20:33,640
Speaker 1: there was. It did make sense when you said it, right,

2404
02:20:34,120 --> 02:20:36,960
Speaker 1: but I was like, wait a minute, he's I thought

2405
02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:39,720
Speaker 1: they were all from Texas. Well they well they eventually

2406
02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:42,720
Speaker 1: worked from Texas. So you knew him from Brooklyn? How

2407
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:45,120
Speaker 1: the fund did you meet Bushwick? Building? Just from being

2408
02:20:45,160 --> 02:20:46,800
Speaker 1: around the scene and broken, Like I told you, I'm

2409
02:20:46,840 --> 02:20:50,320
Speaker 1: the Forest Gump. I was everywhere, like I was working everywhere,

2410
02:20:50,400 --> 02:20:53,000
Speaker 1: So I met I met Bill Um when I was

2411
02:20:53,080 --> 02:20:55,720
Speaker 1: with the Bad Boys inspect the guy. You remember that record,

2412
02:20:56,320 --> 02:20:58,960
Speaker 1: So that they have to do is we're from bed Stide.

2413
02:20:58,959 --> 02:21:01,920
Speaker 1: The other dudes were from brown Will and we just

2414
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:05,240
Speaker 1: bumped in the Bill and yeah, we just became cool.

2415
02:21:06,040 --> 02:21:08,360
Speaker 1: And then like maybe maybe six months a year, lady

2416
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:13,480
Speaker 1: moved to Houston. Okay, bush your bills originally from Bushwick.

2417
02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:18,600
Speaker 1: That's why they call him bush Maybe that's why they traded.

2418
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:22,080
Speaker 1: They traded Premier for Busher Bill. I don't know, hell

2419
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:25,600
Speaker 1: of a trade. That's a hell of a trader's fucking

2420
02:21:25,640 --> 02:21:28,280
Speaker 1: great trades of me. Man it man, you let me

2421
02:21:28,360 --> 02:21:32,760
Speaker 1: tell you some legends, both legends. Man. I can't thank

2422
02:21:32,760 --> 02:21:39,520
Speaker 1: you so much. My brother like, um, wow, So do

2423
02:21:39,560 --> 02:21:41,000
Speaker 1: you know I was gonna ask you not to smoke

2424
02:21:41,080 --> 02:21:43,520
Speaker 1: weed here? Right? Yeah, it was gonna happen. No, I

2425
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:47,360
Speaker 1: know that's but I just want to let you go

2426
02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:49,160
Speaker 1: to your face and I love you. Yeah, I let

2427
02:21:49,200 --> 02:21:51,720
Speaker 1: you to b and I hope we exchanged numbers and

2428
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:54,840
Speaker 1: I hope we get to break. Yes. Listen, listen to me, bro.

2429
02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:59,280
Speaker 1: You are what we call a legend. You are what

2430
02:21:59,480 --> 02:22:03,119
Speaker 1: we call hip hop official or a person that stood

2431
02:22:03,240 --> 02:22:05,920
Speaker 1: with the test of time and it's still standing there.

2432
02:22:06,120 --> 02:22:08,280
Speaker 1: We want to tell you that to your face. We said,

2433
02:22:08,320 --> 02:22:10,440
Speaker 1: we talked about you like that when you're not around.

2434
02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:12,040
Speaker 1: We want to talk about you like that when you

2435
02:22:12,120 --> 02:22:15,920
Speaker 1: are around. The stories that like interviews. It was crazy

2436
02:22:15,959 --> 02:22:17,840
Speaker 1: because I just came from New York and I missed

2437
02:22:17,879 --> 02:22:19,520
Speaker 1: my flash supposed to go to l A and then

2438
02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:22,480
Speaker 1: come here. But it was great because I had I

2439
02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:25,080
Speaker 1: did two days study on you. So I'm just keep

2440
02:22:25,240 --> 02:22:27,320
Speaker 1: rolling up. I'm just keep rolling up, and I'm like,

2441
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out win and this will be

2442
02:22:30,879 --> 02:22:36,520
Speaker 1: my last question. That all right, Because when I couldn't

2443
02:22:36,600 --> 02:22:40,920
Speaker 1: look at people time capsule of this game, I canna

2444
02:22:40,920 --> 02:22:46,440
Speaker 1: say this, motherfucker hated hip hop here m hm. When

2445
02:22:46,480 --> 02:22:48,440
Speaker 1: I look at my own ship, oh, I know when

2446
02:22:48,480 --> 02:22:53,720
Speaker 1: I hated it. I look at other people ship, I

2447
02:22:53,879 --> 02:23:00,240
Speaker 1: know when they definitively I could not if you could

2448
02:23:00,240 --> 02:23:02,760
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, if there was ever a

2449
02:23:02,920 --> 02:23:06,800
Speaker 1: moment that you did just say, this is not what

2450
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:09,080
Speaker 1: I signed up for. This is not what I wanted

2451
02:23:09,080 --> 02:23:11,680
Speaker 1: to be a part of. When I looked at the

2452
02:23:11,879 --> 02:23:15,760
Speaker 1: footage that is available and the Googles that is available,

2453
02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:18,040
Speaker 1: was there ever moment where he was just like, man,

2454
02:23:18,240 --> 02:23:21,480
Speaker 1: this is this is not it. This is not what

2455
02:23:21,600 --> 02:23:23,360
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of. All this is?

2456
02:23:24,680 --> 02:23:30,960
Speaker 1: Was there? Everyone? No? Never? No? This culture gave me everything. Okay,

2457
02:23:31,080 --> 02:23:35,600
Speaker 1: So was there any point you was disappointed? Yes? Tell

2458
02:23:35,640 --> 02:23:40,000
Speaker 1: me no one. Yes, When when Vnilis and Hammer were

2459
02:23:40,440 --> 02:23:43,200
Speaker 1: on the radio and all people respect that we're not

2460
02:23:43,360 --> 02:23:48,120
Speaker 1: on the radio. Um, that's that's that for me? Was

2461
02:23:48,360 --> 02:23:52,800
Speaker 1: harper um. You know. I always tried, and again I

2462
02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:54,879
Speaker 1: don't like to use finite words, but I'll use it here.

2463
02:23:55,520 --> 02:24:01,160
Speaker 1: I always tried my best two figure out how I

2464
02:24:01,240 --> 02:24:03,840
Speaker 1: can contribute the best way I could, even in building

2465
02:24:03,920 --> 02:24:06,240
Speaker 1: nonfiction and being a part of that and having a

2466
02:24:06,840 --> 02:24:08,960
Speaker 1: plan and going to Geffen and just saying, Hey, these

2467
02:24:08,959 --> 02:24:10,680
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be the Ramons of hip hop. Like

2468
02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:13,120
Speaker 1: I just knew it, Like I just knew that they

2469
02:24:13,160 --> 02:24:15,960
Speaker 1: didn't need radio to be millionaires and you know, sell

2470
02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:18,800
Speaker 1: millions of records and just building a studio with Necro

2471
02:24:18,879 --> 02:24:23,120
Speaker 1: and Ill Bill in the middle of Brooklyn and making music. Um. No,

2472
02:24:23,400 --> 02:24:27,520
Speaker 1: there's never been a term io hip hop everything. Um.

2473
02:24:28,040 --> 02:24:30,400
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for this culture accepting me and allowing

2474
02:24:30,480 --> 02:24:33,720
Speaker 1: me to do what I do, Um, your girl would

2475
02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:35,960
Speaker 1: be telling me to go get a side seven shoot

2476
02:24:36,240 --> 02:24:42,360
Speaker 1: at North Room. Um. I everything that I've done in

2477
02:24:42,480 --> 02:24:46,640
Speaker 1: my in my career has been around the philosophy that

2478
02:24:46,720 --> 02:24:50,160
Speaker 1: I was taught in the culture peace, unity, love and

2479
02:24:50,200 --> 02:24:56,080
Speaker 1: having fun and the tenants of this culture. Um. Because

2480
02:24:56,160 --> 02:24:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, I come from a place where there was

2481
02:24:57,840 --> 02:25:00,959
Speaker 1: no term it's hip hop. I heard Graham Mix said

2482
02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:03,520
Speaker 1: dst say, just like you know, the term hip hop

2483
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:05,720
Speaker 1: was a derogatory term. We didn't want it to be

2484
02:25:05,800 --> 02:25:07,959
Speaker 1: called that. When I was coming up, it was kids

2485
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:10,400
Speaker 1: dancing in the street, writing their names on the walls,

2486
02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:13,600
Speaker 1: DJ and and parties and and rapping in in the

2487
02:25:13,640 --> 02:25:17,280
Speaker 1: street like there was no thing. I think the new

2488
02:25:17,360 --> 02:25:19,840
Speaker 1: York Times called it that, or The New Yorker. We

2489
02:25:19,879 --> 02:25:21,760
Speaker 1: don't want to call it that, but we adapted, right.

2490
02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:26,000
Speaker 1: I owe this culture everything. Then I don't know what

2491
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:28,440
Speaker 1: I would I would be a shoe salesman. I'm sure

2492
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Speaker 1: I would be selling something, but I would not be

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Speaker 1: where I am, and I would not be able to

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Speaker 1: afford the life that I have, and I would not

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Speaker 1: be able to afford the family that I have. UM

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Speaker 1: but no, and I still look for new music, and

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02:25:44,160 --> 02:25:47,200
Speaker 1: I still love new talent, and I still try to

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Speaker 1: find I still try to get up on ship before

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Speaker 1: anybody else. I got a cool homeboys that we called

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02:25:51,879 --> 02:25:54,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hell, you up on Marcus Kraft, you

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02:25:54,320 --> 02:25:56,760
Speaker 1: up on blah blah blah. You know, I'm still that dude.

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02:25:56,879 --> 02:25:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm still that, you know, seventeen year old kids that

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Speaker 1: instead of going an sol, instead of going to J

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Speaker 1: and R Music World, instead of going to like, you know,

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02:26:04,480 --> 02:26:07,440
Speaker 1: whether the record spot was in every place in this country.

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02:26:08,080 --> 02:26:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm on the internet trying to find who's next, you know.

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Speaker 1: Like when I heard J Cole's warm up, when I

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Speaker 1: heard Lights Please, I said to my homeboy, I said, Yo,

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Speaker 1: this kid is about to be the greatest one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest lights. Please, if you haven't heard that record,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you have or not. I would

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Speaker 1: strongly suggest we spent some time with that record. But

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Speaker 1: that what's what's your what's your favorite moment of hip

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Speaker 1: hop without you? Without you participate in? Oh, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's so many bro um. The one that comes up

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Speaker 1: to up to the one one of my favorites is

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02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:42,880
Speaker 1: krs at the Latin Quarter about to perform you know,

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Speaker 1: the South Bronx And while he's on stage. Oh so,

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02:26:50,600 --> 02:26:53,480
Speaker 1: just so we're clear, I was the first person with

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Speaker 1: scholar Rockney recent Peace. I was there when the first

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02:26:56,600 --> 02:27:00,080
Speaker 1: time that record ever got played in the club. So

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Speaker 1: I'm watching Cares and Scott get on stage and Mellie

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02:27:03,959 --> 02:27:10,400
Speaker 1: mell comes behind him and wants to battle him, and

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Speaker 1: mel pulls out a Hunted and from the stage it

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02:27:14,440 --> 02:27:18,160
Speaker 1: looked like it was a pretty crumpled hunted. And Chris

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02:27:18,200 --> 02:27:21,360
Speaker 1: said hunted and he turned to Scott and Scott handed

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Speaker 1: him a band a thousand. He said, how about a

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02:27:23,080 --> 02:27:28,200
Speaker 1: thousand South Brons came on? It was a southron crowd

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02:27:28,320 --> 02:27:31,840
Speaker 1: went fucking ape ship and that was that was the record.

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Speaker 1: The Queen's was not no, not not at all. It

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02:27:34,440 --> 02:27:37,080
Speaker 1: was just stating the fact it was not an mc

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Speaker 1: shann I have pictures of and it's in Paradise's Book

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02:27:40,120 --> 02:27:43,080
Speaker 1: of Shannon and Cares hanging out together in the in

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Speaker 1: the LQ. You know what I'm saying. And that's one

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Speaker 1: of the things, like you when you talk about East

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02:27:47,560 --> 02:27:49,480
Speaker 1: West and you talk about this and that, like that's

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02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:52,640
Speaker 1: the streets that magnified that the hottest, even even Magic

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02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:55,160
Speaker 1: and read alber cool like they weren't. They didn't have

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02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:57,320
Speaker 1: beef with each other. We magnified that in the street.

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Speaker 1: But that's one of my favorite that's one of my

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02:28:00,879 --> 02:28:04,280
Speaker 1: favorite memories of hip hop that I always that sticks

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Speaker 1: with me. You know, Scottler Rock was like my big

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02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:10,040
Speaker 1: brother and uh and I was. I was at the

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02:28:10,280 --> 02:28:14,200
Speaker 1: I was there when Kay arrests and Ms Melody and

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02:28:14,280 --> 02:28:18,880
Speaker 1: Scotty Morris walked out of the Bronx hospital when they

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02:28:18,920 --> 02:28:21,480
Speaker 1: found out that he was brained it and they were

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02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:23,520
Speaker 1: just he just walked past me, he didn't even acknowledge

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02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:25,520
Speaker 1: me and kept numbling the same thing. We just got

2549
02:28:25,640 --> 02:28:28,279
Speaker 1: to move on. We just gotta move on. And Friday

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Speaker 1: was the show with Malison Square Garden. Wow, I'm the

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Speaker 1: forest gump. Damn it, God, damn man, make him motherfucker

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Speaker 1: mc Motherfucker's So he went to a house without giving

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Speaker 1: me some gifts. So I got some gifts for y'all. Yep,

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02:28:48,040 --> 02:28:51,720
Speaker 1: I brought some gifts. So before I leave, you got

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Speaker 1: this stingy pat. That's for you, and that's for you.

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02:28:55,760 --> 02:28:59,320
Speaker 1: And that's for you, and that's for you. And I

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Speaker 1: got two more in my pocket. So this is the

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Speaker 1: thirtieth anniversary at Derrels and the thirtieth anniversary of Pop

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Speaker 1: Goes the Weasel, and the anniversity of camd mr Hood.

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Speaker 1: So those are our challenge coins that would drop in

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Speaker 1: dot com. Not challenge coins, challenge your coins. And I

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Speaker 1: got stands for y'all, so I wanted you all to

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Speaker 1: have them there. The first off the mint, so your

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Speaker 1: guys are the first ones to get. There's a camera

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Speaker 1: as we could uh zoom. We had him in the velvet.

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Speaker 1: In the velvet. You know, we have to do a

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Speaker 1: proper We have to do it properly, definitely, So you're

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Speaker 1: ready to do the two, when you're ready to do

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Speaker 1: the when you're ready to do the CNN one, do

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Speaker 1: you let me know, let's go. I have no idea

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Speaker 1: what we were doing come out, but I'm it's just

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Speaker 1: a coin. It's just a coin, bro, it's that big coin. No,

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Speaker 1: it's a collective coin. N not an n f T,

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Speaker 1: but I will share this is it and April fift

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Speaker 1: n f T Ernie Panicoli, we're creating an n f

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Speaker 1: T of his infamous Biggie in the image quick. NFC

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Speaker 1: stands for non fungible token. It's a digital basically a

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Speaker 1: digital imprint or digital code thank you, and that digital

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Speaker 1: code is encrypted with a watermark. It's a one of one,

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Speaker 1: authenticated by the blockchain, right, and you can either buy

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02:30:26,120 --> 02:30:28,480
Speaker 1: it on an auction, either cash or crypto or both.

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Speaker 1: The one that we're doing on April five will be ethereum.

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02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:35,920
Speaker 1: We partnered with Ethereum to do that um. If you're unfamiliar,

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Speaker 1: go to open c dot com and we will help

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Speaker 1: those who want to get involved open up a crypto wallet,

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Speaker 1: because that's the other part of the education is if

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Speaker 1: you want to get wealth, real wealth, then you have

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Speaker 1: to understand cryptocurrency. So we would one of the apps

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Speaker 1: open Sea. So we are helping those who want to

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Speaker 1: be involved in this n f t auction create their

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02:31:00,879 --> 02:31:04,480
Speaker 1: cryptocurrency wallet, so you can do that, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: be doing others towards We're actually working on something that's great.

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Speaker 1: That's great. Well, if you really want to get some money,

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Speaker 1: you holler at me. Let's take some pictures to take

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Speaker 1: a drop and this is it. Thanks for joining us

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Speaker 1: for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by yours truly,

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