1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Can'tf I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 3: Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt all this week. President 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 3: Trump today signed an executive order to end cashless bail 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 3: in DC, something he's called for since taking office for 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: a second term. DC has had cashless bail since ninety two, 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 3: where judges can order suspects detained before trial if they 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: believe they are a threat to the community or a 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 3: flight risk, and President Trump today signed an executive order 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 3: ending that. 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: Criminal defense attorney Luke Shapiro joins us. 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: Louke, thanks for spending some time with us on this. 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 3: Before you do, I want your analysis on this. But 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: before everything I know about bail and booking and bail 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 3: bon stuff I learned from watching TV. So for those 16 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: of us that never never had a post bail or 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: ever got booked, can you kind of just give us 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: a quick primer on what it all means and how 19 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: it all works. 20 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 4: Surely I'll walk you through it. So the traditional way 21 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 4: things work are somebody gets arrested, they're taken to the 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 4: police station, and the police basically have a schedule like 23 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 4: a manual that they use to determine based on what 24 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 4: they arrested the person for, what the bail amount is 25 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 4: for that charge. Bail bondsman then is usually called to 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 4: post that bond because most people don't have the entire 27 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 4: amount of money to put up front. So let's say 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 4: it's fifty thousand for domestic violence case. You could put 29 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 4: up the entire fifty thousand yourself, which you get at 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 4: the end of the case, win or lose. Most people 31 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 4: don't want to do that, so they go through a 32 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 4: bail bondsman. They pay about seven to eight percent, so 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 4: let's say about three four grand. The bondsman puts up 34 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 4: the entire fifty thousand in the form of a bond, 35 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 4: and at the end of the case, the bond is 36 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 4: released and the client does not get that money back 37 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 4: to the bail bondsman because that was the fee to 38 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: the bail bondsman to clift that entire amount. That is 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 4: traditional bail bond. How it works. Oh, okay, that makes sense. 40 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: That yes, that makes sense. It explains dog the bounty 41 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: hunter explains everything. Okay, So President Trump wants to do so. 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: In DC since ninety two, they've had cash lists bail. 43 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: So how do they compel somebody to show up for 44 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: their court date. 45 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 4: Right, So here's how this cash list fail came into play. 46 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 4: What happened was there were arguments that the current system 47 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: is unfair because if you have money, you can get out, 48 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 4: and if you don't have money, you might be held 49 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 4: in custody for a low level crime and end up 50 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 4: taking a deal that you wouldn't have taken but for 51 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: the fact that you're in jail. Because it's true when 52 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 4: people are in custody, they basically are more likely to 53 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: take a deal just to get out, because obviously jail 54 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 4: is not a fun place. So they passed this no 55 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 4: bail statute and for the most part, I mean, some 56 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 4: people like it, some people hate it. 57 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: Right. 58 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 4: The offenders that don't have the money love it because 59 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 4: now they're getting out when they otherwise would not have. 60 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 4: But people that have money, some of them are upset 61 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: because judges can say, you know what, this is a 62 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 4: domestic violence case. It's a violent crime. I'm not letting 63 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 4: this person out period until they go to court. So 64 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 4: that person who would have been able to get out 65 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 4: under the old system can no longer get out. So 66 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 4: you have people happy and not happy. And unhappy. Trump 67 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 4: is coming along and saying, I don't like this new 68 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 4: system of no cash failed, because what's happening is if 69 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 4: everyone gets out, or a lot of people get out 70 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 4: and don't have to post money, they don't have an 71 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 4: incentive to come back to court, and they go and 72 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 4: commit other crimes and at least to recidivism. And he's like, 73 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 4: I'm done with it. I don't want it. I'm cutting 74 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 4: it now. He's cutting it in the federal court system, right, 75 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 4: He's trying to pressure state course by saying I'm going 76 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 4: to cut funding to you so unless you follow this 77 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 4: plan as well. But he doesn't have direct control over 78 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 4: state courts like he does over federal courts. 79 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: How much time I mean is there when you say 80 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: that somebody that does not have the means to post 81 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: even a percentage of the bail has to spend time 82 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: in jail and wait until they courtate. 83 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: How much time is allowed? I mean? 84 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: Is there is there some kind of limit in which 85 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: there's some reasonable amount of time that someone could be 86 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: locked up in jail well while awaiting sentencing or at 87 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: least the courd heering. 88 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: It's usually forty eight to seventy two hours, depending on 89 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 4: if it's a misdemeanor or a felony charge. But again 90 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 4: those days can be awful, right, It can seem like 91 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: a year for someone who's ever been to jail sitting 92 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 4: there for one day. And then keep in mind if 93 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: it's a holiday weekend, which a lot of people get 94 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 4: arrested on, that doesn't count. It's business days usually, so 95 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 4: they often can get help a lot because of course 96 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 4: I'm a session on Labor Day Monday, for example, So 97 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: if you would have been taken a court on Monday, 98 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 4: you got to wait now till Tuesday. 99 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: What can the president do this, by the way, by 100 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 3: executive order or does it have to be does it 101 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: have to go through because the President did take over 102 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 3: the police department as part of the federal City Authority, 103 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: but not the government itself. So is this something that 104 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 3: still has to go through the DC mayor's office and 105 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: the city council because the mayor and the city council 106 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 3: is still. 107 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: In charge there. 108 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 4: You know, the whole executive order power is very ambiguous. 109 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 4: It seems to give the president a lot of power, 110 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: and that power is only tested once it gets challenged 111 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 4: in court, and then it's up to whatever judge you 112 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 4: get really that day to say, I think this goes 113 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 4: beyond the president's power, and I think this should be 114 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 4: a law that has to be agreed to by the 115 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 4: House and the Senate and so forth. Or sometimes it's like, 116 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 4: you know what, he's a president, he can do it. 117 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: What would you say to the critics that make the argument, Look, 118 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: DC has been a very violent place for far too long, 119 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: certainly since ninety two, it's gotten worse than it was 120 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: before ninety two. 121 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: So we have to make some changes. 122 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: And it's twenty four hours and then that becomes forty 123 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: eight hours because it's a holiday weekend scares you. Then 124 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 3: the best thing you can do is obey the law. 125 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: That this serves as a deterrent and sends a signal 126 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: stay away from bad times. 127 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, I think the response is, and we're seeing 128 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 4: this in Los Angeles as well, that local government is 129 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 4: failing the public. I'm protecting them. Right. They'll tell you 130 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 4: statistics show crime is down in certain areas, but you 131 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 4: know what, that's because people aren't reporting them because they 132 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 4: don't want to deal with it. Because if they reported, 133 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 4: the police saying we don't have time for that, we're 134 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 4: under staff, we're over work, We're not taking more report 135 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 4: for that, so it doesn't get reported. Then statistics go down. 136 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 4: So Trump is fed up and a lot of people 137 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 4: are fed up with the homeless situation that doesn't seem 138 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 4: to be being handled well, which is leading to enough 139 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 4: sicking crime. If you go, if you walk down MacArthur Park, 140 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 4: it is a scary place today, and it's like it's 141 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 4: just being ignored. How is local government ignoring places like 142 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: that where people are shooting up drugs right in front 143 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 4: of you when you're walking down. How is that allowed? 144 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 4: And Trump's saying the same thing in DC? How is 145 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 4: this allowed if the local government is not going to 146 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: take care of it, I'm going to take care of it. Look, 147 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 4: I don't agree with Trump on every issue, but on 148 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 4: public safety, there's a lot of room for improvement that 149 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 4: local government is not pulling its weight, and he's just 150 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 4: stepping in and saying, if you're not going to do 151 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 4: something about it, I'm going to do something about it. 152 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: Criminal defense attorney Lou Shapiro always good catching up. 153 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:00,559 Speaker 1: I do thanks. 154 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: I appreciate the education and the analysis, and we will continue, 155 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: all right. So President Trump wants to do a way 156 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: it's one step, it's one tool in his toolbox. 157 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: Here he was this morning Cash's mail. 158 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,119 Speaker 5: We're ending it, but we're starting by ending it in DC, 159 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 5: and that we have the right to do through federalization. 160 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: So this is an interesting, as I said, little model. 161 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: If the states are laboratories of democracy for the federal government, 162 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 3: then DC is a laboratory of democracy for major blue 163 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: cities with crime problems. And Los Angeles is a major 164 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: blue city with a crime problem. So this will be 165 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: interesting to see the impact this has. It's a decent 166 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: sized model. DC is in the top ten murder capitals 167 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: of the United States, and crime across the board, whether 168 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: it's aggravated crime, assault with the deadly weapon, carjackings, robberies, 169 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: property crime, all have plummeted over in Washington, d C. 170 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: In the last two weeks. 171 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: Over a thousand arrests, hundreds of ethereal weapons taken off 172 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: the streets, e the gal aliens being captured and processed 173 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: for deportation, including gang members. So what some is calling 174 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: a heavy handed approach is making the place safer and 175 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: this is just yet another step in that direction. So 176 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: is this something we should consider looking at in Los 177 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: Angeles and this whole argument, and I hear this far 178 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: too often that it disproportionately favors people who are wealthy 179 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 3: enough to buy themselves freedom before trial. I don't think 180 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 3: that's realistic. I mean, I think that's weak sauce. And 181 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. That's all coming up next. Louke 182 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: Penrose in for John Cobelt this week on KFI AM 183 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: six forty. 184 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 185 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 6: six forty. 186 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt this week. Thanks for 187 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: tuning in. So President Trump wants to end. 188 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 3: Cashless bail in DC and he wants it to be 189 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 3: a model for other major cities that have cashless bail. 190 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 5: And here is somebody kills somebody, they go in, don't 191 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 5: worry about it, no cash, come back in a couple 192 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 5: of months, We'll give you a trial. 193 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: You never see the person again. 194 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 5: And I mean, they kill people and they get out 195 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 5: cashless bail. They thought it was discriminatory to make people 196 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 5: put up money because they just killed three people lying 197 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 5: on the street. 198 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: So we just talked with criminal defense attorney LUs Shapiro, 199 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 3: and his analysis I think is spot on in that 200 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 3: people are frustrated. 201 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: They're just sick and tired of the crime. 202 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: They're sick and tired of a lot of society ills 203 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: and just no improvement. 204 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: He mentioned homelessness. It's a perfect example. 205 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 3: President Trump sick and tired of it as well, and 206 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: just doesn't like the idea that you are just free 207 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 3: to go after you've committed a violent crime. And the 208 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: argument in favor of the cash list bail, which has 209 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: been going on in DC since ninety two, I think 210 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: is a weak argument if you want to make the 211 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: argument that, well, we can't offer bail in exchange for 212 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: cash because wealthier defendants than can access freedom before trial, 213 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: where people that don't have means don't have that access. 214 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: Like that's lame, that's lame. 215 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 3: Everybody knows that everybody with more money has more access. 216 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: That's always going to be the case. 217 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: Ever hasn't been thus and that's just reality in life. 218 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: You can, in fact avoid breaking the law. You can, 219 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: in fact avoid committing a violent crime, like it is possible, 220 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: believe it or not. Most of us go through our 221 00:10:55,160 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 3: entire day without committing assault. Can you imagine that we 222 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: talk to some of these criminals and some of these 223 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: you know, advocates for criminals, and you would think that 224 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: most people commit felonies all the time. 225 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: We don't. 226 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 3: We're able to control ourselves. So these people are the problem. 227 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: They're their own problem. And I don't think that we 228 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: need to make society less safe because they don't have 229 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: the money to make bail and they don't have any 230 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: friends that'll put up the money. 231 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: That's their fault. 232 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 3: So I just I completely reject that as a valid 233 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: point of view. Like, that's one of those huge lies 234 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: that we were told all our lives. There's a number, 235 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: I have a whole list of them. There's a number 236 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: of ridiculous lies that we were taught our whole life, 237 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 3: and everybody just accepted it as true and nobody ever 238 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 3: questioned it. And like it's the statements are like promides. 239 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: I mean they're not even like even thoughtful people have 240 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 3: been telling me my whole life, Lou, crime is a 241 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: function of socioeconomics. Everybody knows that poor people commit more crimes, 242 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: and people that don't have access to economies and don't 243 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: have capital, they're more likely to commit crime. 244 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: And you know, and you heard. 245 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 3: This your whole life, and it almost became ingrained and 246 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 3: institutionalized in your brain, and you're thinking, that's kind to 247 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: be it right, because you see that poor neighborhoods high 248 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 3: crime rates. 249 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: It's not true. It's a complete lie. 250 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: It's a complete lie that poverty causes crime or being 251 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 3: broke causes you to become a criminal. It's not true. Never, 252 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 3: never was true. But yet and then they still perpetuated. 253 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: And I suspect they're still telling children, and they're probably 254 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 3: teaching that to my children. And I you know, I 255 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: go through life's lies all the time with my kids. 256 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: And that's a biggie that not having money turns you 257 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: to a criminal. 258 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 3: And that poverty crosses crime. And you know this to 259 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: be true by just opening your eyes. 260 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: Think about it. Think about it. 261 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: If poverty caused crime in the United States, then the 262 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: largest crime wave we would have had in this nation 263 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 3: would have been during the Great Depression. 264 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: It didn't happen. 265 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 3: In fact, those years yielded an American character to present 266 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 3: a generation of people that we now referred to as 267 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: the Greatest Generation. 268 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: So the opposite happened with respect to the crime thing. 269 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: Now, look, I think Trump's approach to crime, particularly in DC, 270 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: and I think. 271 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: The US Attorney there Jeanine Piro. 272 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: She has the same attitude, and that is Look, we've 273 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: allied criminal activity for decades. We have thought about it, 274 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: we have studied it, we have had speakers come on 275 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: the panel to talk about it. We introduce people from 276 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 3: different communities of color and different socioeconomic communities and backgrounds, 277 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: and up and down and back and forth and sideways. 278 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: We have run the analysis, and we still don't know 279 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: why some people just are criminals and comma, there is 280 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: zero evidence that rehabilitation works, like recidivism is a thing, 281 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: and I think that it would be wise, at least 282 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: in a place like Washington, d C. 283 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: Or in many areas of Los. 284 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 3: Angeles, just to accept the fact that there's very little 285 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: we can do. People are just gonna be thieves. People 286 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: are just gonna be robbers. People are just gonna be assailants, 287 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: and the safest thing the rest of us can do 288 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: is to grab them and lock them. 289 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: Up and maybe they'll come to their senses. Who knows. 290 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: But I can't. 291 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: We can't worry about it, and we can't ad on 292 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: the side of pity for them, because that's unsafe for us. 293 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 3: And I think far too often that's what. 294 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: We do we think we overthink it. 295 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 3: We think, well, you know broken homes Baltimore, you know 296 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: so many children without fathers. What do you think is 297 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: gonna happen? Of course this is gonna happen, not their fault, 298 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: product of the rep bringing, and that we overthink it all. 299 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: And then the next thing you know, your car gets 300 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: stolen or you get knocked over the head and they 301 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 3: steal your laptop. I told you I worked in Washington, 302 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: d C. The Washington d C that you see on 303 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: House of Cards or West Wing, that's not the Washington 304 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 3: d C. The Washington DC that you see when you 305 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: go on your kids boy scout trip to the nation's 306 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: capital or you go back there and go on a 307 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: White House tour or Capitol Hill tour. 308 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: That's not Washington d C. 309 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: That's the monuments and the hotel and the cab and 310 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: the airport. The real washing in DC, at least up 311 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 3: until two weeks ago, was a third world hell hole, 312 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: horrible place where if it's dark out. 313 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: You don't stop at stop signs. You keep rolling. You 314 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: would never. 315 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: Stop at a red light if you're especially if you're 316 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: alone in the car, but really it wouldn't matter. 317 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna have four. 318 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 3: Buddies with you, because they'll come out of the bushes 319 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: with five and they'll they'll grab your car and kick 320 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: you in the gut and drive away in your car 321 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: and leave you on the street bleeding. 322 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: So you would. That's that's the reality of Washington, DC. 323 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 3: Carjacking was rampant, And I remember driving back from the airport, 324 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: driving the congressman to the airport and driving back to 325 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 3: my apartment and thinking, I'm not stopping at that red light. 326 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: I'm gonna look both ways and roll like if there's 327 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: a cop there, you stop. But there's a cop there. 328 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: Most of the time there's not a cop there. So 329 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: like that's the Washington d C. That most people have 330 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: to live or at least, up until two weeks ago, 331 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: had to live in. 332 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: And that's just carjackings. 333 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: I mean, just going to the bank, going to the ATM, 334 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: machines constantly on edge. You see a group of people 335 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: and you're walking or you're walking toward your car and 336 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: there's a group of people between you and the car. 337 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: Right It's like your fortress of solitude is your car 338 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 3: and the office building you work in, and to a 339 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 3: lesser extent, your apartment and every single day you get 340 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: home and it's a complete crapshoot, whether or not your 341 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 3: front door is broken, and they stole your TV and 342 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: your laptop. 343 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: And it happened all the time. 344 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 3: And I work with staff members that worked on the Hill, 345 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 3: and there was always a story if somebody got their 346 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 3: car broken into, somebody got their stuff robs, somebody broke 347 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: into a window over the weekend. It's just constant and 348 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: it's annoying, and it's not first world, it's third world. 349 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 3: And so President Trump is putting a stop to it. 350 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 3: And I think on this issue, on the issue of 351 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 3: law and order, Democrats are in a bad spot because 352 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 3: nobody likes it the way it was. You can argue 353 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: that this is heavy handed. You could argue that it's overreaching. 354 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: You could argue that it's arbitrary and capricious. It is 355 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: certainly all those things. But it is dropping the crime 356 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 3: rate in this major US city like a stone. And 357 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 3: it's causing everybody in cities like San Francisco and Los 358 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: Angeles and San Diego and Chicago and New York and 359 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: in Denver and in Birmingham, Alabama, and Baltimore, Maryland to 360 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: think to themselves g it would be great if carjacking 361 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: in my city dropped by sixty eight percent in a week. 362 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: That sounds lovely. 363 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: Loup Penrose Info, John co Belt on KFI AM six forty. 364 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 365 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 6: six forty. 366 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: Loup Penrose Info, John co Belt, all this week, good 367 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: to have you along with us. Thanks for tuning in 368 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 3: President Trump on the crime thing in Washington, DC. 369 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: As the rest of. 370 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 3: Us watch and see little else but success. 371 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: Like the numbers are going down. It's a safer place. Now. 372 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 3: He's on this whole bail thing, and I don't know 373 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: if it's gonna make a difference. 374 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. 375 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: It seems like a waste of time to let somebody 376 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: off and expect them to show up for their court 377 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 3: hearing like you got them, keep them in jail, and 378 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: if they committed a crime over the weekend and they 379 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 3: have to spend Labor day in jail, I mean, that's 380 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 3: what happens. I remind you that most of us don't 381 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 3: go to jail. Most of us don't break laws, most 382 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: of us don't commit felonies, most of us don't commit assault. 383 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 3: We go through our whole lives and don't at least 384 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 3: don't get caught assaulting anybody. So it is possible, you know, 385 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 3: to keep your hands to yourself. But the wake of 386 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: all this, this is fascinating to me, there are still demonstrations. 387 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: Now there's small demonstrations and pretty weak and almost exclusively 388 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: liberal white women, but there are still demonstrations in Washington, 389 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: d C. 390 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: They're mad, I guess that crime has gone down. 391 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: They're mad that the National Guard is rolling through the streets. 392 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 3: They're mad that the good guys have taken over the city. 393 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: They don't like it. So here is. 394 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 3: Some idiot at the in the subway in Washington, DC, 395 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 3: and she's yelling to everybody on the subway that there 396 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 3: are Ice agents on the platform. 397 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: Right. 398 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 3: So the cop is like, lady, you're not allowed to 399 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: yell and screaming here, which is probably true. 400 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: You can't be disorderly agent station. I am complying with 401 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: your law order. I'm completely listen to her. What a twit. 402 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: I am complying with your lawful order. 403 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 3: Cops like, you know what, if you're not getting on 404 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: the train or getting on a bus, then exit the station, 405 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: all right. 406 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: People are trying to get through and you're uh, you're. 407 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: Making a racket and people have to go home and 408 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: nobody needs to hear from you. I love that because 409 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 3: you're causing a disruption, disruption and people would try to 410 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: come home from work. This is what I've been saying. 411 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: Democrats don't have a political problem. Democrats have a maturity problem. 412 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: This woman is in political She's immature. All of these 413 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: screaming idiots in d C, in downtown Los Angeles, you know, 414 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: yelling and screaming at the ice fans, yelling and screaming 415 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: at the National Guard. These are immature people, and they 416 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: are the core constituency of the Democrat Party. 417 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: And nobody likes immaturity in the face of crime and lawlessness. 418 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: I justify your presence. I'm happy to stay out here. 419 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: I love the comp people are coming home from work. 420 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 1: They don't need you. And I don't know, is am 421 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: I missing a television show. 422 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 3: There must be a hit series on Netflix besides The 423 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 3: Hunting Wives, which really is what this woman should be watching. 424 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: That's better for her. 425 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: Because there is this I don't know, this do gooder. 426 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: Mister helper mentality that's going on. 427 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 3: I don't know how they are able to be at 428 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: the home depot the exact time that the ice rate 429 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: is going down. 430 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: But there's always somebody there. 431 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 3: There's always some mister help And I don't know what 432 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: TV show he's watching, but he believes that he is 433 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: la law. This is over the weekend in Sherman Oaks 434 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: at the home Depot. Now, I was at the home 435 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 3: depot over the weekend, not in Sherman Oaks. 436 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: I didn't see any ice raids. 437 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what if I see the ice 438 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 3: fans roll up to the parking lot while I'm in 439 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 3: there getting something at the home depot. 440 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: I'll step aside. 441 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 3: Want to let those boys handle it, because you never 442 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 3: know what's going on when they get these guys, they 443 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: resist the rest. 444 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: Do you know why the illegals resist the rest Because 445 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: they know they're illegal. They know that the jig is up. 446 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: They know that when the ice van rolls up on them, 447 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 3: they are never getting out of that van. 448 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: Figuratively speaking, I mean they. 449 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 3: Are being processed and deported and will never come back 450 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 3: because that wall has now been painted black, so they're 451 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 3: not climbing the wall. 452 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: It's over and they know that. 453 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 3: And it's actually a dangerous spot for the federal agents, 454 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: which is why they need the element of surprise, because 455 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 3: at this point the illegal has nothing to lose. And 456 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: every single time there's a story, every single time there's 457 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: a you know, a raid, you get the news agencies 458 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: with the story of just oh, these poor landscape workers, 459 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: or are this construction worker or these gardeners? Right, and 460 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 3: then two days later Ice releases a statement that the 461 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 3: person that you thought was a gardener was wanted on multiple. 462 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: Crimes. 463 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 3: I mean, like it just as a whole laundry list 464 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 3: in that rap sheet, like aggravated assault, assault with the 465 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 3: dead weapon, duy, child trafficking, and that's what really happened. 466 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 3: But despite that being the case, one hundred percent of 467 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: the time, every time there's a story, there's always somebody 468 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 3: a some liberal white woman in this case, a liberal 469 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 3: white effeminate man. 470 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: He's out there pretending like he's the attorney. 471 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 3: Here's the sherman, Oaks, mister helper, warrant, what's your war. 472 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 6: Like? 473 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: Who are you pale? 474 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 6: What? 475 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: What are you? What do you mannix? What do you mean? 476 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: Where's your warrant? 477 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 3: They don't have to show people in the parking lot 478 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: the warrant. They don't even have to respond to you. 479 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 3: They don't have to even act like you're there. So 480 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: get yourself under control. Okay, Let the ICE agents do 481 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 3: their job. Don't you worry about whether or not they 482 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: have a warrant or not. Trust me when I tell 483 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 3: you the illegal that's going in the back of the 484 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 3: van knows very well they're illegal. They know the crimes 485 00:25:54,080 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 3: they've committed. They know that there's no going back. And 486 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: remember the Loup Penrose rule. There are no tears in 487 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 3: the back of. 488 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: An ICE van. 489 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 3: Kf I AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio Appy. 490 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM sixty. 491 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 3: Lou Penrose in for John Cobel all this week. They 492 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 3: call you Ganda, the Pearl of Africa. But I don't 493 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: think mister Abrea Garcia is going to like Uganda. Now, 494 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 3: why you Ganda? Why is mister Abrego Garcia headed for Uganda? 495 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: So Kilmar Abrego Garcia is now in ICE custody and 496 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: he had an opportunity to go to Costa Rica if 497 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: he admitted to participating in human trafficking. In twenty nineteen, 498 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: he was picked up in Washington, DC as a member 499 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 3: and validated as a member of MS thirteen. He was 500 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: arrested with two other members MS thirteen with rolls of 501 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: cash and drugs. Does that sound like a construction worker 502 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 3: to you. MS thirteen gang members tend to not hang 503 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 3: out with people who are not MS thirteen gang members, 504 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 3: and people in the construction business never have rolls of cash. 505 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 3: They have some cash, but it's usually gone, you know, 506 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 3: by Friday night. So they said, look, pal uh, just 507 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: realize that you are. 508 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: Illegally in the United States. You're a criminal. I mean, 509 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on. 510 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 3: He violated a tro because he scratched and ripped his wife's. 511 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: Shirt open, and so she got a temporary restraining order. 512 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 3: He has violated that. In December of twenty twenty two, 513 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 3: he was stopped in Tennessee for speeding and they had 514 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: eight people in the car, all illegals, so he was 515 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: trafficking them. He also solicited nude photographs of a minor. 516 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: This is this is a bad guy. 517 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 3: Okay, we don't need him in the country, And they said, 518 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 3: you know, help us confirm all this stuff, and you'll 519 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 3: go to Costa Rica, which is close to El Salvador, 520 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 3: which is where you're from. We think that's what you're saying. 521 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 3: We don't know, because illegals lie. I don't know if 522 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: you know that illegals tend to lie. They lie a lot. 523 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 3: They lie to the ice agent, they lie to the 524 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 3: immigration judge, they lie to the courts, they lie to 525 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 3: the passport office, they lie to you. They lie to 526 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: the lady at the elementary school, and they go to 527 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: enroll their kids in public school and they say they're residents, 528 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 3: because they can't be a resident. 529 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: If you're legally illegally in the United States anywhere. 530 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 3: They lie all the time. They're constantly lying. So he says, well, 531 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: I'm from Al Salvador. How do you know that? It 532 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 3: is the nature of undocumented people do not have documentation. 533 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 3: So we don't know what's going on with this guy. 534 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 3: So what we have to do is number one, remove 535 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: him from society and hold him somewhere at our. 536 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: Expense, and then we've got to figure it out. 537 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 3: We got to call our counterparts in the Al Salvador 538 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 3: government and say, you got, like any documents on this guy. 539 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: Was he born there? Does he have a passport? Is 540 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: he committed any crimes there? 541 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 5: Like? 542 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: That's all got to be squared away, and we have 543 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: to work on that. 544 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 3: So while we work on that, he's not allowed to 545 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 3: just be in Maryland, so we're putting him in. 546 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: A detention facility. 547 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 3: And recently the President of the United States worked out 548 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: a deal with Uganda. Uganda is the largest recipient of 549 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: foreign aid on the African continent. We're one of the 550 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: largest recipients, and they really don't have anything to give 551 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 3: us an exchange, and the President likes to make a deal. 552 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: He likes to be even Stephen like, we'll give you 553 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: the foreign aid, very poor country, but we want something. 554 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: What do he got? 555 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: And they said, well, I mean we have detention facilities. 556 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 3: They're very nice in Uganda, and thus came the August 557 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 3: Attention Agreement. Under the deal, Uganda will accept third world 558 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 3: nationals that have not been granted asylum in the United States. 559 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 3: The conditions are that they have to accept individuals that 560 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: do not unaccompany minors and no violent criminals. 561 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: So good news for killmar Like, he hasn't killed anybody. 562 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: Yet, So he's eligible to be housed in Uganda, and 563 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: that's where he'll be until we can eventually help him 564 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 3: find his way back home. Now, he could have went 565 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 3: home all this time. 566 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: And this is why that. 567 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: This entire like free kill Maar rally that's taking place 568 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: in Baltimore, Maryland right now. 569 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: It's absurd. 570 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 3: Free him from who he's the one lying. He's not 571 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 3: being honest. Like all the illegals that came into the 572 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 3: United States under the Biden administration pretending to be seeking asylum, they. 573 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: Were all lying. They know they're lying, they know they're 574 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: not seeking asylum. Asylum is a thing. Lou Penrose rule 575 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: number four words matter. 576 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 3: I did immigration casework for fifteen years for three members 577 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 3: of Congress. 578 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: I either did it myself or I managed staff that 579 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: did it. 580 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: So I know immigration case law and asylum is a thing, 581 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 3: a very specific thing. You have to demonstrate that you 582 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: are facing persecution or death in your home country based 583 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 3: on race, religion, nationality, membership, and a social group, which 584 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 3: is a complicated thing. 585 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: But kill Maar ain't it. Or your political opinion. 586 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 3: In other words, you are either facing imprisonment or capital 587 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 3: punishment in your home country because of your race. 588 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: So I think kill mar doesn't fit that bill. 589 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: Like he's not eligible for asylum. Religion no, don't think so. 590 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 3: Nationality no, because he would be from else he's saying 591 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 3: he's from El Salvador. So he's not being like, they're 592 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 3: not persecuting El Salvadorians in El Salvador. Membership in a 593 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 3: particular social group that's a that's called a PSG. It's 594 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 3: kind of complicated, but basically pro American groups in other 595 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 3: countries are considered terrorists in their country. 596 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: In other words, if you are trying. 597 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 3: To overthrow the authoritarian leadership in Tehran, you're a terrorist 598 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: to write the that that that leadership, but you're pro freedom, 599 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 3: so you have to be like in that group of 600 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: trying to promote freedom in an authoritarian or totalitarian regime. 601 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 3: He ain't that, Like, he's not some kind of uh, 602 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 3: you know, political leader. And I don't think he's even 603 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 3: registered to vote, so I don't think his political party 604 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 3: is this problem. 605 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:51,239 Speaker 1: So that's it. 606 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 3: That's the five conditions, race, religion, nationality, membership in a 607 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 3: special group or political opinion. And he doesn't qualify. And 608 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 3: he always knew he didn't qualify. He was seeking asylum 609 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 3: in the United States. The illegals learned that if you 610 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 3: just say I'm seeking asylum in the United States, we 611 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: because we're such great people will let you stay until 612 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 3: it's all sorted out, like, oh, you're gonna be killed, 613 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 3: all right, Well, we don't want you to get killed, 614 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 3: so just relax, you know, give us your information and 615 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 3: go live with your aunt somewhere in Pasadena until we 616 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 3: sort it all out, and then we'll call you when 617 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 3: the date for the judge. 618 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: Right, like Mikyle Barishnikov. 619 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 3: When he defected from the Soviet Union, like he was 620 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 3: facing persecution and jail time, so he sought asylum. 621 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: He got asylum. Like that makes it a little more sense, 622 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: and a stays your Romanov. If you're the daughter of. 623 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 3: The massacred tsar, probably a dangerous person to be that person, 624 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: she would have been an eligible for asylum. 625 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: Kill mar not eligible for asylum, And. 626 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 3: Now he's on his way to Uganda and Jimmy Crackcorn 627 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 3: and I don't care. 628 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: So when we come back, we'll talk with Art Arthur. 629 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 3: He's the Resident Fellow in Law and Policy at the 630 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 3: Center for Immigration Studies, and we'll get the latest on 631 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 3: kill Mahar and everybody else that's like Kilmore. 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