Speaker 1: Look out.
Speaker 2: It's only films to be buried with. Hello, and welcome
Speaker 2: to films to be buried with. My name is Brett Goldstein.
Speaker 2: I'm a comedian and actor, a writer, a director, a
Speaker 2: wire and I love films.
Speaker 3: As C. S.
Speaker 2: Lewis once said, friendship is born at the moment when
Speaker 2: one man says to another, what you too? I thought
Speaker 2: that no one but myself loved the film Old Wow,
Speaker 2: that's so cool. Every week I'm a special guest over.
Speaker 2: I tell them they've died. Then I get them to
Speaker 2: discuss their life through the films that meant that most
Speaker 2: of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Amber Ruffin, Mark Frost,
Speaker 2: Sharon Stone, and even Bed Ambles. But this week it
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Speaker 2: Brett Goldstein. So Sammaril. Samaril is a brilliant comic and
Speaker 2: his new special Samaril You've Changed is now available on
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime and you can see him on tour and
Speaker 2: get tickets at Sammuril dot com. He's so great and
Speaker 2: we recorded this on Zoom a few weeks ago. It
Speaker 2: was lovely to hang out with him, and I really
Speaker 2: think you're gonna love this one. So that is it
Speaker 2: for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode three
Speaker 2: hundred and eight of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
Speaker 2: and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is
Speaker 2: I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor.
Speaker 4: A writer, a joker, a on the roof of a
Speaker 4: stra a four time special if not five, a hero six,
Speaker 4: a hero, a leed, a podcaster, a drinker, a therapist,
Speaker 4: and one of the all time great stand ups working today.
Speaker 3: He's here. I can't believe it, can you? Well he is.
Speaker 2: He's also the very best at doing morning shows. Please welcome.
Speaker 2: He's alive and well.
Speaker 1: It's a thank you man. Good to see you.
Speaker 3: Oh, nice to see you. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good man? How you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm all right. This is the second time we've met
Speaker 3: in real life?
Speaker 5: Is it I met you in California, I think once.
Speaker 5: So we're both far away from home. Yeah, the improv.
Speaker 5: The improv in LA and you're in New Yorker til
Speaker 5: you die. Oh yeah, you don't live in LA. I
Speaker 5: have to Oh no, they got you. Yeah, they got
Speaker 5: to me. They got to me. But everyone knows New
Speaker 5: York's better.
Speaker 1: Oh I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: Everyone knows that.
Speaker 1: You guys about saying, yeah, my mom's happy. I'm on
Speaker 1: this part. My mom.
Speaker 5: I told her, She's like, what are you doing for
Speaker 5: press for the special? And I said, I said, I'm
Speaker 5: doing Brette. She's like from ted Lasso, And I said, yeah,
Speaker 5: she goes. I love Roy Kent, He's my favorite.
Speaker 2: Well do, said my love. Wow, I've seen your special.
Speaker 2: Do you know that I've seen a sneak preview?
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I assume whenever they send it that
Speaker 1: no one watches it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I wish I'm a fan.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 2: It was really great, and I also thought it looked
Speaker 2: really cool, like some specialist look ship. You as looked
Speaker 2: really cool. I thought everything like. I liked the vibe
Speaker 2: of it. It was yeah, like Peace put a.
Speaker 5: Lot of work and the making it look right. Because uh, yeah,
Speaker 5: this set. The set designers incredible. I just said, make
Speaker 5: it look like a forties film in the war, and
Speaker 5: he sent me a picture of Maltese falcon.
Speaker 1: I was like, boom, got it. One one, one take.
Speaker 1: We got it. So he's good.
Speaker 3: It's so great.
Speaker 2: And uh and I've been touring with Brian who you
Speaker 2: tour with, and there's a story about Brian and your specialists,
Speaker 2: not just a story.
Speaker 5: He's my closer, so he's our he's our body Brian,
Speaker 5: he tour managers, both of us. We have the same
Speaker 5: tour manager. And I feel now like I don't want
Speaker 5: to lose him because I like him so much, and
Speaker 5: I know he goes out with you and Anthony Jesselnick.
Speaker 1: So I sent him. I'm like, I sent him a
Speaker 1: text other day.
Speaker 5: I said, hey, man, can I reserve you away from
Speaker 5: Bread and Anthony for like January February next year And
Speaker 5: he's like, we'll make it work.
Speaker 1: I need that guy.
Speaker 3: I need that guy.
Speaker 2: We all need that guy. I have a theory that
Speaker 2: that guy is Batman because he's sneaky. He's sneaky and
Speaker 2: he can do anything, but he's.
Speaker 5: Also sneaky kind of ripped like we played basketball together
Speaker 5: and I'm like, damn, he's kind of aggressive on defense.
Speaker 1: I could see him being a sneaky, like tough guy.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, he'd kill you.
Speaker 2: I think he fights crime when he's not on tour,
Speaker 2: and sometimes I think he only agrees to do certain
Speaker 2: cities because he's like, yeah, here, there's in trouble in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean, Yes, he comes and
Speaker 3: takes care of it.
Speaker 2: Now you tell for the people in England that listen
Speaker 2: to this, who might not know you, and they'd be fools,
Speaker 2: but they might not. You're a proper, proper stand and
Speaker 2: what I liked when I met you, you were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's my thing. Like it didn't seem like you're doing
Speaker 2: this to do other things. It's like you've just fucking
Speaker 2: loved stand up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this is I didn't start this to
Speaker 5: be like an actor or you know, I would really
Speaker 5: only want to act and stuff that I wrote. I
Speaker 5: had no interest in auditioning and ever it was. It
Speaker 5: was something that was just tedious to me. I didn't
Speaker 5: I didn't enjoy the process of it. I think you
Speaker 5: got to learn to love that if you're an actor.
Speaker 5: So no, stand up was what was what I liked, Like,
Speaker 5: I didn't mind that type of humiliation. You need some
Speaker 5: type of humiliation if you're going to pursue this right
Speaker 5: and the bombing didn't you just learn and not let
Speaker 5: it bother you. And if you keep writing a new
Speaker 5: hour every couple of years, you're gonna bomb. It's just
Speaker 5: part of what this is. You have to So I
Speaker 5: was okay with that type of humiliation.
Speaker 2: What happens in your head when you're when you're dying
Speaker 2: on the stage, Like are you just thinking you guys
Speaker 2: are idiots?
Speaker 3: Where you're like, oh, fuck, this is really bad?
Speaker 1: Like no, I don't.
Speaker 5: I guess it depends where I'm at with the hour
Speaker 5: of material, Like if it's honed to the point that
Speaker 5: I feel like it's pretty much ready, I'm like, what
Speaker 5: the hell not you guys are idiots, But like, what
Speaker 5: the hell is wrong? It's almost like I have a
Speaker 5: healthy enough self esteem. It's like you're on a date
Speaker 5: and you just have nothing in common with the person.
Speaker 5: I'm not like she's an idiot. I'm just kind of like, well,
Speaker 5: why isn't this working? You know, like what's going on?
Speaker 5: I think she's cool. I think I'm cool, it's not.
Speaker 5: I don't have as low as self esteem. But then
Speaker 5: when you're doing the new material, Yeah, I do think
Speaker 5: it's all me for sure, because if it's not working,
Speaker 5: it's not working. And you know how it goes. Working
Speaker 5: on new stuff. Sometimes you'll get it to kill in
Speaker 5: one room. I'll be the comedy sell. There's three different rooms.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm doing three sets in the night and upstairs
Speaker 5: it kills, and I take it downstairs and I have
Speaker 5: the confidence of knowing it just worked. I take it
Speaker 5: literally forty feet downstairs. There shouldn't be a big difference.
Speaker 5: I'm like, this fucking killed on the second floor. This
Speaker 5: is bombing in the basement, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 5: what the hell?
Speaker 1: What's different? What happened?
Speaker 3: It's just different people attitude that something else.
Speaker 5: It's true, though, there's something about like maybe then the
Speaker 5: third set, it kills my confidence because it doesn't work.
Speaker 5: Confidence is if you don't believe in it, they can
Speaker 5: smell it. And how are you going to believe in
Speaker 5: something you've never said before? Really it's bullshit and stand
Speaker 5: ups need to be kind of honest, and they can
Speaker 5: smell bullshit on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's also, I don't know if you have this.
Speaker 2: When I have new material, gigs like my favorite gig
Speaker 2: to do because it's exciting, But when it's bad, I
Speaker 2: feel like, oh, yeah, I'm a terrible person because that
Speaker 2: thought I had that you didn't like must mean I'm scum.
Speaker 5: I felt that way a lot early on because I
Speaker 5: would be doing jokes that I you know, when you're
Speaker 5: an open mic or you're you're saying provocative stuff to
Speaker 5: get a reaction because they're not listening to you, And
Speaker 5: then you're doing those jokes for non comics, just normal
Speaker 5: regular people, and not only are they not laughing, but
Speaker 5: they're like, this guy's a jerk, this guy sucks. So
Speaker 5: they not only aren't laughing, but they think you're a
Speaker 5: bad human. So the new material ones don't. They don't
Speaker 5: bother me as much because if I get anything, I'm happy.
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, if I got one line I
Speaker 5: didn't have before, I really look at it like lane bricks,
Speaker 5: Like I'll have a joke that's a chunk, that's you know,
Speaker 5: maybe six seven minutes sometimes, but I got it often
Speaker 5: one line at a time. That means each show, if
Speaker 5: I had a line, I'm like Okay, that's another line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: And so when you have your new show and you
Speaker 2: tour it, are you building the other show in the background,
Speaker 2: the next show, or do you start from zero at
Speaker 2: the end of the tour.
Speaker 5: I try, but it's it's really hard to not put
Speaker 5: everything into the current hour. You feel like you're a fraud,
Speaker 5: Like you feel like you're cheating the current hour if
Speaker 5: you're working.
Speaker 1: On the new one. You know.
Speaker 5: So I try, and I would do like ten minutes
Speaker 5: a new but all the new stuff that's killing I
Speaker 5: end up working into his story.
Speaker 1: Ors. I'm terrible at it. And I do love the process.
Speaker 1: I really love it.
Speaker 5: But in like some sick way, I do love the
Speaker 5: process of just having nothing. And it's like you feel
Speaker 5: like you're going into a bar fight and everyone's got
Speaker 5: a weapon and you've just got your bare hands and you're.
Speaker 1: Going to get the crap kicked at of you.
Speaker 5: But but if you put up a fight, you're like,
Speaker 5: all right, I'm surviving.
Speaker 1: I built it from scratch.
Speaker 5: There's something weirdly noble about it, even though it makes
Speaker 5: no sense why I feel that way.
Speaker 3: Do you have any idea?
Speaker 2: I mean, I totally obviously I get all of this
Speaker 2: and sometimes someone someone said to me that they are
Speaker 2: doing that. You know, some people say on stand up
Speaker 2: so brain and I was like, well, I think you
Speaker 2: probably have to be. There's probably some level of being
Speaker 2: a masochist about it because it is awful.
Speaker 3: It's bad, yeah, truly horrendous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess, but everyone has that, as I said earlier,
Speaker 5: like that form of humiliation you're comfortable with. And if
Speaker 5: you're an actor, I think you have it. If you're
Speaker 5: a musician, you think you have it. Like everyone has
Speaker 5: their version of a bomb. I guess a stand up
Speaker 5: bomb is just the silence feels a bit louder because
Speaker 5: because a musician, they can be talking to you said exactly,
Speaker 5: because if you don't get every line you want, you're like,
Speaker 5: what the hell's wrong with them? And a musician can
Speaker 5: perform and maybe they're talking a bit during your set.
Speaker 1: You're not.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure they're aware of it as well. But
Speaker 5: that's why comedians are so annoying. I mean, we're so like, wait, wait,
Speaker 5: they didn't fucking laugh at that one line. It was
Speaker 5: one line, but we're like, what the hell's wrong with them?
Speaker 5: And you see it in conversation, like comedians can be
Speaker 5: the neediest people because.
Speaker 3: And it's weird.
Speaker 5: There's a combination of like comedians being needy but also
Speaker 5: socially awkward, you know, but also like there's just like
Speaker 5: a lot of Communians I know who are very autistic,
Speaker 5: and so there's this.
Speaker 1: So I have comedian friends.
Speaker 5: One of my good friends is very autistic, and I'll
Speaker 5: tell them a joke and he'll just stare at me.
Speaker 5: And it doesn't mean that he doesn't think it's funny,
Speaker 5: but that's how he processes stuff. But oh my god,
Speaker 5: I never run jokes by him ever anymore. It's brutal.
Speaker 5: I don't need to feel this. I don't need to
Speaker 5: feel this bomb. But then that's me being needy. So
Speaker 5: I think you see all these it's a blend of
Speaker 5: these weird personalities I think in common and uh, you
Speaker 5: got to find the you.
Speaker 1: Know, the ones that you match with, the ones you
Speaker 1: work with.
Speaker 2: Stand up unlike drama, unlike even doing sitcoms, like stand
Speaker 2: up is literally feedback. It's constant feedback. It's like the
Speaker 2: sound they are making is like a beat, big, good, good, good,
Speaker 2: good good. And if it's a heartbeat, yeah, and if
Speaker 2: the sound guy's away. It's like bad, bad, bad like
Speaker 2: it is. So I wonder if getting used to that
Speaker 2: is what makes comedians needy and like life is like.
Speaker 3: Is this good? Is this? Is this interaction good?
Speaker 1: Is this exactly? That's a that's a great point.
Speaker 5: And also the fact that we never feel fully accepted,
Speaker 5: Like I feel like the dramatic actors in a way
Speaker 5: look down upon us. I heard Jim Jefferies once say this,
Speaker 5: he says to me once, he said that comedians like
Speaker 5: there's no comedy Award the Oscars.
Speaker 1: They get us to host it. It's like we're constantly.
Speaker 5: And then half the time they bomb, so we're like
Speaker 5: we get no validation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then up.
Speaker 5: You're up there kind of trying to prove yourself to
Speaker 5: the dramatic people.
Speaker 1: So it's a great point.
Speaker 5: And I do feel like they get to kind of
Speaker 5: be the cool kids, and there's something about comedians that's
Speaker 5: like that is a little more.
Speaker 3: I did it.
Speaker 5: I did a bit part in The Joker, and I
Speaker 5: remember I remember walking Phoenix was talking to me in
Speaker 5: between sets. He was very nice and he's obviously incredible
Speaker 5: in that movie. But he made a comment about my
Speaker 5: stand up because I'm doing stand up and I was
Speaker 5: doing a different set every take, you know, every every
Speaker 5: take it was you know, extra, So I'm like, I
Speaker 5: want these laughs to be genuine.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be just so I would.
Speaker 3: Do a different thing off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in that role.
Speaker 5: Todd Phillips was like, by the way, I said, in
Speaker 5: that role, like I have a lot of.
Speaker 1: Range, Hey, can you play comedian? I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I think that's all I can play.
Speaker 5: So he said, uh, you're playing open mic comedian And
Speaker 5: I said, well, do you want me to bomb? Because
Speaker 5: I'm an open micro Maybe I'm not good yet. He goes,
Speaker 5: well you could do that, and I said, oh am
Speaker 5: I doing my material. I said, well, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to bomb in your movie with my material. I didn't
Speaker 5: even know if it was it was going to be
Speaker 5: that big at the time, but in my mind it
Speaker 5: was be a big movie. So I'm doing jokes and
Speaker 5: I was killing like every take except for one. I
Speaker 5: was killing because the extras and they had no expectation
Speaker 5: that I would be decent, and I was like, this
Speaker 5: is my whole life.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna bring it.
Speaker 5: So one take I did the wrong, jokers too dirty,
Speaker 5: and Todd came in between.
Speaker 1: He was like, nothing like that. Again. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I got it.
Speaker 5: But then after a series of takes where I was
Speaker 5: really doing well, Joaquin Phoenix was like, man, I like
Speaker 5: your style.
Speaker 1: It's not desperate, and it's to me.
Speaker 5: I think it's so funny that he shows the word desperate,
Speaker 5: because he said, yeah, a lot of comedians they come
Speaker 5: off very needy and desperate, and I was like, well,
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, very needy and desperate. On my mind,
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, you do crazy stuff as an actor,
Speaker 5: you know, Like actors are needy and desperate too, but
Speaker 5: for some reason we don't think of them that way, Like,
Speaker 5: you know, you're the ones who need all the awards,
Speaker 5: by the way, actors, Yeah, but comedians are the needy ones.
Speaker 5: But maybe actors are slightly more validated.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The thing I'm always interested in why some dickheads, no,
Speaker 2: not all. I have a sort of theory that comedians
Speaker 2: generally as a whole. My experience of the community of
Speaker 2: comedians is ninety percent of them are pretty great people,
Speaker 2: like because part of the job is fucking thinking all
Speaker 2: the time and sort of philosophy, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: like as in they tend to be. And also because
Speaker 2: you can fucking die every night, so you even if
Speaker 2: you're even if you're an arrogant comedian, you will be
Speaker 2: humbled by the gig. Like there is no you're never safe,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You have to have some
Speaker 2: level of humidity because you don't fucking know. You're never
Speaker 2: safe whoever you are. Whereas with actors, there are some
Speaker 2: actors that might be bad, but because for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: they make their films, they're in make good box office.
Speaker 2: They keep working, so the business is telling them you're good,
Speaker 2: you're good, and they're not. They might not be, but
Speaker 2: there's no feedback, there's no honest feedback because the machine
Speaker 2: is kind of accepting them, and so they can be dickheads.
Speaker 5: They also, I think, are like pampered in a way
Speaker 5: because like a lot of great actors are vessels. You'll
Speaker 5: see them in an interview and you're like, holy shit,
Speaker 5: that's this guy's personality.
Speaker 1: He sucks. But then you see him in a movie
Speaker 1: and you're like, he's brilliant.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it must be something weird about being like
Speaker 5: when they get praised, it's them being someone entirely different. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, that's that's when people are worshiping you when
Speaker 5: you're not you. But you know, I always thought it
Speaker 5: was cool when actors had a mystique and didn't do
Speaker 5: talk shows, Like you'd have those random ones and you'd
Speaker 5: be like, well, you're never going to see this guy
Speaker 5: on Letterman or something.
Speaker 3: You can't. No one can do that anymore. No one
Speaker 3: can be off the grid and be successful.
Speaker 1: There's there's a couple, but their grandfathered in.
Speaker 3: I think they still have Instagrams, that's true.
Speaker 1: How about Jack Nicholson though he doesn't have to.
Speaker 3: Jack, he's the last one. Yeah, it doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 1: Fuck, so there you go. So so maybe right.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us if again, this is for anyone
Speaker 2: here who has not seen some the thing I would
Speaker 2: recommend you do is, yes, see all his pecials. They're amazing,
Speaker 2: but also go on his Instagram and look at all
Speaker 2: his morning show appearances because it is fucking brilliant what
Speaker 2: you do on morning shows. I love it so but
Speaker 2: tell the people that you don't know what you're up to.
Speaker 1: Well it all it all started like back in the
Speaker 1: day when I would do morning show things i'd be doing,
Speaker 1: like you know, any road gig random.
Speaker 2: To promote your shows, right, promote your gigs, you have
Speaker 2: to go. And in the UK it would be like
Speaker 2: this morning or whatever you're on, like local shows where
Speaker 2: it's like coming up in Florida, this is happening that
Speaker 2: sort of thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'd be forced to do those when I
Speaker 5: was a young comic, and I really resented it because
Speaker 5: we were getting paid just terrible money to do the club.
Speaker 5: I wasn't I had no incentive to sell out the club.
Speaker 5: This is how short short term I thinking was short sided.
Speaker 5: My thinking was I was like, oh, I don't care
Speaker 5: if I sell out. I don't get any extra money.
Speaker 5: In my mind, I should have been trying to, you know,
Speaker 5: get more fans. But I but I just I was
Speaker 5: just annoyed because I was always having a do this
Speaker 5: and I would have to wake up at like six
Speaker 5: am going to do it, sometimes after performing the night
Speaker 5: before and traveling in the day, so you're just beat
Speaker 5: up and tired, so you'd be in a cranky mood.
Speaker 5: And I did a gig on Good Morning I think
Speaker 5: it's called Pittsburgh Today Live, and this is kind of
Speaker 5: what started I'd always misbehaved on these, but this is
Speaker 5: the one that really took off on the internet. Is
Speaker 5: they were just asking me questions like they didn't know
Speaker 5: who I was, they didn't care, And in my head,
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, you don't want to be here either,
Speaker 5: you know. So I was kind of like, why are
Speaker 5: we doing this? So I was on like two hours
Speaker 5: sleep in a crappy hotel and they said, so, did
Speaker 5: you always have the funny bug? Were you always funny?
Speaker 5: And I just said no, I wasn't always funny. When
Speaker 5: I was young, I was molested by my uncle and
Speaker 5: he was funny. So it gave me powers like in
Speaker 5: Spider Man. And they just paused and the woman goes, well,
Speaker 5: I don't know what to do with that, and it
Speaker 5: just was the most uncomfortable thing. And I remember leaving
Speaker 5: the station. In my head, I knew I did something bad,
Speaker 5: but I didn't know how far it was going to go.
Speaker 5: I asked the producer, Hey, can I get a copy
Speaker 5: of that footage?
Speaker 1: And she just looked at me and goes, get out.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so they were pissed. And I've compared this
Speaker 5: since to like doing a bank robbery. I need a
Speaker 5: car waiting for me outside the studio. I need to
Speaker 5: make a getaway because they are not happy when I
Speaker 5: do this. And you know, since I started doing this,
Speaker 5: you know it got I did more and more. This
Speaker 5: one went completely viral on social media, so but not
Speaker 5: enough so that anyone knew that I would do this.
Speaker 5: So I just kept doing stuff like this. The reason
Speaker 5: what I did was in Columbus, Ohio. I just kept
Speaker 5: pretending they have a human trafficking problem, and the anchor
Speaker 5: got so mad. He's like, we don't what are you
Speaker 5: talking about human trafficking? And I just wouldn't let it
Speaker 5: go and he just spiraled. I just watched the guy.
Speaker 5: I just annoyed him. I usually feel what's going to
Speaker 5: annoy them out, and I just keep doing it. And
Speaker 5: in my head, I'm like, well, these this is the
Speaker 5: only way I'm going to sell tickets to this audience.
Speaker 1: Like if I just play it straight, none of these
Speaker 1: people are gonna come see me. But if I do something.
Speaker 5: Ridiculous and awful, they're gonna be like, that was hilarious.
Speaker 1: We should go see this guy.
Speaker 5: So it stems from that, and then I just kept
Speaker 5: doing it, and then somehow I keep getting booked on these.
Speaker 5: I don't know how some of them are aware of
Speaker 5: what I do. I did one recently in Utah where
Speaker 5: a guy was like, we see what you do.
Speaker 1: You're gonna mess with me, and he.
Speaker 5: Was trying to like alpha me right, And I looked
Speaker 5: at Gary Veeder, who tours with me, and I go, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna mess with this guy.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna really mess with him. He's a prick.
Speaker 5: So I went on there and I just I started
Speaker 5: talking about p ditty and he was like, let's not
Speaker 5: talk about that. I go okay, and then I just
Speaker 5: kept doing it and I just kept bringing it up
Speaker 5: and he the female host was laughing. The guy was
Speaker 5: was like, well, you won't be allowed back here, like
Speaker 5: he was really like a petulant child about it. And
Speaker 5: I remember getting offset and all the cameramen wanted pictures
Speaker 5: with me because like, we hate that guy. So it's like,
Speaker 5: I do feel like I'm going in.
Speaker 1: It's like similar to the rise in Heckler videos.
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm going in and being a jerk
Speaker 5: to their boss and.
Speaker 1: They like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a corporate gig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a corporate gig.
Speaker 5: And somehow I was on Morning Joe on Friday and
Speaker 5: The Funniest Thing, which is a big show in a Marria,
Speaker 5: and they keep setting me up for jokes, and every
Speaker 5: time I tell a joke, they just stare at me,
Speaker 5: and I'm like.
Speaker 1: You invited me on. I don't know, like I'm not
Speaker 1: even doing anything other than my act right now, but
Speaker 1: they're still furious. It's it's it's a weird.
Speaker 5: I see a lot of people comment from other countries like, wow,
Speaker 5: morning TV in America is so fake, and I guess
Speaker 5: that's what I'm making fun of.
Speaker 1: I guess on some level, I didn't even think about
Speaker 1: it too much.
Speaker 5: I was just like, well, this isn't how anyone speaks,
Speaker 5: so I'm just gonna make it. I'm the only one
Speaker 5: who can speak honestly in this situation, so I'm gonna
Speaker 5: use it to my advantage.
Speaker 2: I guess it's great stuff. It's really great stuff. Well done,
Speaker 2: Well done, thanks man, Sam. Ah fuck I forgot I
Speaker 2: forgot tell you. I should have told you at the beginning,
Speaker 2: and I've forgotten. Hold on, Oh shit, I did. I
Speaker 2: thought i'd know you. Don this recuts me. Uh fuck,
Speaker 2: I'll just say you died. Uh h you're dead. No,
Speaker 2: uh spaghetti eyes you dead, bomber? You sad about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It was things were going all right. I got
Speaker 1: a special coming.
Speaker 5: Out, But I guess I don't have to do I
Speaker 5: don't have to do any more morning shows to promote
Speaker 5: this special.
Speaker 3: Now, how did you die?
Speaker 5: I'm pretty young, I'm in decent health. I'm going to
Speaker 5: guess autootic asphyxiation.
Speaker 2: And I mean the tragedy of that is unfortunately, that
Speaker 2: is what you're going to be remembered for, even though great,
Speaker 2: damn it, that's the thing. You go that way, that's it,
Speaker 2: that's your legacy.
Speaker 1: Oh man, so shame.
Speaker 3: You didn't mean to though, did you?
Speaker 5: He just went too No, No, it was I was
Speaker 5: just trying to chase that high.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Were you on tour?
Speaker 1: We were like, now it's getting ceta, et cetera. I was.
Speaker 5: I was on tour. I got to pick a sad
Speaker 5: state now too, Damn. I was in the Midwest, but
Speaker 5: a bad Midwest. There's some good states. I was in
Speaker 5: a bad one. I won't say which, but that way
Speaker 5: you want to die?
Speaker 3: Okay? Wow? And you're just in the hog Tower room
Speaker 3: in the in the in the closet.
Speaker 1: May have found me.
Speaker 5: I hadn't even left the tip yet, so she thinks
Speaker 5: I'm stingy and she found my body.
Speaker 1: Like I know anything, I was gonna die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair well, tragic tragic death and a tragic
Speaker 2: legacy for your family.
Speaker 3: But here we are. Do you worry about death?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Sure, it depends. It depends, but yeah, I get anxiety
Speaker 5: for sure. Like I'll sometimes if I'm not exercising enough.
Speaker 5: Exercise definitely distracts me from death. Sometimes I'll have too
Speaker 5: much a drink on the road and I'll be like
Speaker 5: what am I doing? Like you're laying in bed, you
Speaker 5: can't fall asleep, and you're like, what am I doing
Speaker 5: with my life?
Speaker 1: You have those? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do you think anything happens when you die?
Speaker 5: Oh jeez, people show up to a funeral. I think
Speaker 5: that's about it.
Speaker 3: But what happens to you? Do you think nothing?
Speaker 1: No? I don't think anything happens.
Speaker 2: Well, young man, I have good news. You're incorrect. There
Speaker 2: is a heaven. Oh, there's a heaven. You'll go into
Speaker 2: it mostly from all your hard work and your basketball skills.
Speaker 2: They're very excited to have you in heaven, and it
Speaker 2: film with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 5: I do love watching the Knicks, so basketball is up
Speaker 5: there for me.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's courts everywhere.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 5: I love playing basketball, I love doing stand up, and
Speaker 5: I love watching movies.
Speaker 1: Those are probably my three favorites.
Speaker 2: God, you're gonna have a fucking great time in Heaven.
Speaker 2: It's there's basketball courts, so you can play with the Knicks.
Speaker 2: You can also play with your friends that are there.
Speaker 2: There's also a room where the Knicks.
Speaker 3: What you do stand up? That's what you want. That
Speaker 3: sounds quite Now, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna blow it. I've done it before. You're not wearing audience, No,
Speaker 1: you're not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've had a couple of good ones, and I've
Speaker 5: had a couple. I'm like, woof Jesus, I took it
Speaker 5: too far. You're like, you're walking that line. And then
Speaker 5: you're like, all right, let me see if I can
Speaker 5: how far I can take And then you're like, a shit,
Speaker 5: was too far?
Speaker 1: I ruined the whole gig. Oh God, learning disaster.
Speaker 2: Well, everyone is very excited to see you and they
Speaker 2: want to talk. You can watch all the films you want,
Speaker 2: and they want to talk to you about your life.
Speaker 2: But they want to know about your life through film.
Speaker 2: She's weird, isn't it. And the first thing they ask
Speaker 2: you is, what's the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 3: Samurial too.
Speaker 1: Now, my mom is an artist.
Speaker 5: My mom has got great taste and a lot of
Speaker 5: different types of things.
Speaker 1: But for one film, and she showed me the movie
Speaker 1: The Red Balloon, the French film. Fuck wow, that's the
Speaker 1: first movie I remember.
Speaker 5: And the second one I remember she showed me is
Speaker 5: Laura and Hardy, The March of the Wooden Soldiers, the
Speaker 5: comedy Whoa. So my mom really, I think, was like
Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, what a combination that is. It's like
Speaker 5: you've got this like really simple French film about a
Speaker 5: boy with a balloon that's very artistic and beautifully shot,
Speaker 5: and then you've got this like pure comedy that's like
Speaker 5: fantasy and silly.
Speaker 1: So I think that explains a lot.
Speaker 3: Are you a ninety child?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: I have a stepbrother and a stepsister, but at this
Speaker 5: point they weren't around, So I was my mom's only child.
Speaker 3: Yeah wow, And what kind of out she man?
Speaker 1: Abstract?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah, really good?
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 2: Did you remember thinking I want to get in on
Speaker 2: this comedy. Shit, then what did you think? I want
Speaker 2: a balloon?
Speaker 5: I think at that point I just didn't even think
Speaker 5: about what I was going to be, I think. I mean,
Speaker 5: I just remember so probably three or four, I don't know,
Speaker 5: I was so young, but I remember. I remember the
Speaker 5: images of the movies. That's kind of it. And I
Speaker 5: remember that I kept watching March of the Wooden Soldiers
Speaker 5: or something about it.
Speaker 1: I just want I kept wanting to see them nice.
Speaker 3: What about crying? Do you cry? What's the fel that
Speaker 3: made you cry? My?
Speaker 5: Yes, there's a few, there's one. Some of them don't
Speaker 5: make sense why I cry that much? But like certain
Speaker 5: movies just hate you, like for some reason. The last
Speaker 5: scene in Kramer Versus Kramer always gets me, where Dustin
Speaker 5: Hoffman and the son, like, you know, they had all
Speaker 5: this difficulty together they fight the mother Meryl Streep is
Speaker 5: you know, in the midst of an ugly divorce. And
Speaker 5: there's that scene earlier where they're trying to make the
Speaker 5: French toast and it's a disaster, and you see just
Speaker 5: kind of a time lapse where they're making the French
Speaker 5: toast together again, and this time they're doing it perfectly,
Speaker 5: like they've got the routine down and he's going to
Speaker 5: lose his son, and that's like that got me every
Speaker 5: time I've seen that movie. That scene just fucks me up.
Speaker 3: And you're a child of divorce.
Speaker 5: No, my biological father wasn't around, so there was no divorce,
Speaker 5: so that scene is more just like I think it's
Speaker 5: just I don't know if it's connected to me as
Speaker 5: much as I just think the movie builds to it perfectly,
Speaker 5: like it's just really good acting. But then because you know,
Speaker 5: life is beautiful gets me every time. But I wasn't
Speaker 5: the Holocaust.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's.
Speaker 5: Always I don't think it's always you know, about me.
Speaker 5: I think it's about the movie.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Oh you know what else gets me? Two more that
Speaker 5: get me bad as boys in the Hood. The ending
Speaker 5: just killed me, I mean, and of course he passes
Speaker 5: the sat like that Moy's chestnut.
Speaker 1: That was brutal. That ending. I can't watch that movie
Speaker 1: again because it just messed me up so much.
Speaker 5: And then there's like cries that are a little different,
Speaker 5: like one flew over the Cuckoo's Nest gets me because
Speaker 5: in two scenes, the first one is when she won't
Speaker 5: let him watch the baseball game and Nicholson just narrates it.
Speaker 5: I was like, god, damn, that's beautiful, like such an
Speaker 5: obvious anti authority movie.
Speaker 1: But the way he.
Speaker 5: Fights back, I'm like, oh so good. And of course
Speaker 5: the ending of that movie gets you too.
Speaker 3: Right, right? Do you cry in real life? But just
Speaker 3: in movies?
Speaker 1: Not really much in real life.
Speaker 5: It's movies. Usually I'm bottling it all up. For the movies,
Speaker 5: I'm saving it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me, push you down, push it down. What is
Speaker 2: the film that scared you the most? Do you like
Speaker 2: being scared?
Speaker 1: Samurial, No, I'm not a big horror fan.
Speaker 5: Interesting, I understand why that horror movies are still big
Speaker 5: in the movie theater because you're scared together. It's like
Speaker 5: a ride, it's fun. I don't like amusement parks for
Speaker 5: that reason. And guess what they're called amusement, and it's
Speaker 5: you're just scared. There's no amusement. I'm terrified. I don't
Speaker 5: like it, So not a fan of that. I like
Speaker 5: horror movies more that are more psychological. A movie that
Speaker 5: I actually watched later in life that haunted me, that
Speaker 5: made me feel scared, was I was on the road
Speaker 5: and for some reason. I just I'd never seen The
Speaker 5: Holland Drive and I threw it on and holy shit,
Speaker 5: that movie haunted me.
Speaker 1: I was scared after because it's not like a slasher
Speaker 1: that's cheap, and.
Speaker 5: It felt like it felt like it was in my skin.
Speaker 5: It was to go that deep about a person. It
Speaker 5: felt like something about David Lynch movies where I feel
Speaker 5: like half the time he's just messing with you and
Speaker 5: you're like, what is every character? Just like she was
Speaker 5: like oh, I thought, and You're like, are you fucking
Speaker 5: with me?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 1: Like what is this movie?
Speaker 5: And then by the end, of course, you're like, damn,
Speaker 5: he just like distracted you for what he did, and
Speaker 5: he just you felt like they pulled the rug out
Speaker 5: from under you. And that ending like it's about someone's
Speaker 5: like hopes and dreams and how how ugly they become
Speaker 5: because of them, and like, yeah, that was scary to me.
Speaker 1: It was because it was so psychological.
Speaker 2: I love David Lynch so much. I love him always
Speaker 2: and forever, and I do think it's a great question
Speaker 2: is he fucking with us? Sometimes I think he isn't
Speaker 2: at too, and sometimes I'm like, maybe it is. I
Speaker 2: think he's funny, Like sometimes I think, yeah, he's pushing
Speaker 2: it to sort of go like I dare you to
Speaker 2: stick with this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's almost like an arrogance when people
Speaker 5: are that talented that they feel like they're like, let me,
Speaker 5: let me mess with them and see how what I
Speaker 5: can get away with And then oh shit, I still
Speaker 5: I still stuck the landing, Like, yeah, that's probably to
Speaker 5: me the one I think of that like Scared It
Speaker 5: that made me feel like But I love like a classic.
Speaker 5: I love like horror, like Carrie. I thought it was
Speaker 5: a great horror movie too.
Speaker 3: That's a great movie. Yeah, that's a great movie.
Speaker 2: There's a bit in muhund Drive it's one of my
Speaker 2: all time favorite sigmaces, where they gous Club Cilencio and
Speaker 2: they watch a lip sync performance and the guy they
Speaker 2: sort of mc keeps saying, this is a recording. What
Speaker 2: you are seeing as a recording, these are not words
Speaker 2: coming out of my mouth. And he keeps saying that,
Speaker 2: and you keep forgetting it because it's so good, and
Speaker 2: then it becomes really moving and the woman sings crying
Speaker 2: a Spanish version of crying. It's really beautiful, and the
Speaker 2: man keeps saying this is a recording, so you're not
Speaker 2: singing this, and then you don't believe it. And then
Speaker 2: the woman collapses and the voice keeps going and it
Speaker 2: will make you cry. It's a very strange sequence. But
Speaker 2: the whole thing I always like he's telling us, He's
Speaker 2: sort of going, why are you getting caught up in this?
Speaker 2: It's not real? I keep telling you it's not real,
Speaker 2: and then you but you can't help yourself. I love that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's like, I mean, that's like dreaming and
Speaker 5: stuff like that. Right, even though it's not real, you
Speaker 5: still wake up, like you know, there's there's still a
Speaker 5: party that gets you.
Speaker 3: God, he's good. He's very good.
Speaker 1: He's sounded, he's very salient.
Speaker 3: What is the film that you love?
Speaker 2: Critics don't like it, it is not acclaimed, but you
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 5: It's a hard question. I feel like there's a lot
Speaker 5: of comedies that critics don't like. As I said, you know,
Speaker 5: they would have to be because I think I have
Speaker 5: like pretty I think my taste is like not particularly unique.
Speaker 1: I just like what's usually pretty good.
Speaker 5: But with comedies, there's definitely stuff that makes me laugh
Speaker 5: that you look up and run tomatoes and you're like,
Speaker 5: this got this. So there was a movie growing up
Speaker 5: called Opportunity Knocks with Dana Carvey. Yeah, and I watched
Speaker 5: it probably twenty five times growing up, like I love.
Speaker 5: My brother owned it on VHS, so we watched it
Speaker 5: all the time. And yeah, I just I loved it.
Speaker 5: And then it's of course with like terrible ratings online and.
Speaker 3: Dana was the premise of it.
Speaker 5: He's a con man, Dana Carvey, you know, and he
Speaker 5: robs one house and a voicemail comes on basically saying like, oh,
Speaker 5: I wish I could take you up on this offer
Speaker 5: to house sit, but unfortunately I'm not gonna make it
Speaker 5: and I won't get to meet you. So in his
Speaker 5: head he's like, oh, he doesn't know what he looks like,
Speaker 5: I can just house it in this amazing house.
Speaker 1: And he just pretends to be the.
Speaker 5: Guy, and Robert Logia plays like the friend and he's
Speaker 5: great in it, and of course he falls in love
Speaker 5: with Robert Logi's daughter as the con man, and I
Speaker 5: loved it. I thought it was like, there's definitely a
Speaker 5: couple of gags of him doing ethnic voices that probably
Speaker 5: wouldn't fly today, but like I thought, Dana Carvey was
Speaker 5: like I thought he deserved more or like dramedy type
Speaker 5: roles because he has such range.
Speaker 1: I love that guy. I'm a big fan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's great. That's nice. That's made me want to
Speaker 3: say it.
Speaker 2: Tell me this on the other end of this, guy,
Speaker 2: What is a film that you used to love? You
Speaker 2: loved it very much, but you have watched it recently
Speaker 2: and you've thought, I don't like this anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't like it.
Speaker 5: But a movie that doesn't really hold up to me
Speaker 5: is American Beauty.
Speaker 3: Go on.
Speaker 5: I just think it's a little some of the weird
Speaker 5: stuff doesn't really like it's a bag is beautiful. I'm like,
Speaker 5: I thought this was like, I thought this was moving
Speaker 5: and interesting. I watched him like a bag. Who gives
Speaker 5: this shit? It's a plastic bag. I still think space
Speaker 5: is amazing, and I still think that Net Betting is
Speaker 5: hot and and awesome in it too.
Speaker 1: I just like, I don't think it's It's not what
Speaker 1: I thought it was.
Speaker 5: I think you grow older and you're like, oh, that's
Speaker 5: a little cornier than I thought it was. Still, there's
Speaker 5: still parts of the movie I like, Yeah, but I
Speaker 5: don't think I do.
Speaker 1: What do you feel the same way or do you
Speaker 1: still love it?
Speaker 2: No, I haven't rewatched it in a long time, but
Speaker 2: I think it is the type of film that was
Speaker 2: very good but then was like copied a million times
Speaker 2: in the million ways, and so now when you watch
Speaker 2: it it feels cliche and rope, when in fact it
Speaker 2: was quite an early version of even the bag being
Speaker 2: the most beautiful thing.
Speaker 3: Now is embarrassing, but at the time.
Speaker 1: It's embarrassed felt new.
Speaker 5: I guess also the roses that I mean, it's just
Speaker 5: it's a lot of stuff that I think, like, look, beauty.
Speaker 1: I think he's a great director, Sam Meander.
Speaker 5: So but I think, yeah, not all movies age well either.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, like just because it was great at
Speaker 1: a moment. So you ever listened to.
Speaker 5: A comedy album from like the seventies and people were
Speaker 5: like this was this changed the game? And you listen,
Speaker 5: You're like, what the fuck is this? So people laughed
Speaker 5: at this, and no, I think, I think, yeah, that's like,
Speaker 5: not everything is going to age perfectly.
Speaker 2: What is the film that means the most to you?
Speaker 2: Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but you
Speaker 2: had around seeing it will always make it special to you.
Speaker 5: Accept Well, I got a hand job doing Saving Silverman.
Speaker 1: That definitely was pretty big for me. I was fifteen.
Speaker 3: I think, oh, fast one.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it was my first one.
Speaker 5: New York kids we grew up quickly, but but yeah,
Speaker 5: I definitely was like wow.
Speaker 1: But also I was like, this was actually was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Empty movie theater.
Speaker 5: You got to pick a movie, you know, like you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: if we hook up, maybe I take it to Freddy
Speaker 5: got fingered.
Speaker 1: You're like, no one's going to be there.
Speaker 5: This is gonna be big, but we So that was
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: I think a movie that looks that like was for
Speaker 1: me any Hall.
Speaker 5: Like I can't any the impact that movie had to
Speaker 5: me as a kid because Woody Allen, I know he's
Speaker 5: got a completely you know, tarnished reputation in a lot
Speaker 5: of ways, but for me as a New York kid,
Speaker 5: he did so many things that just blew my mind
Speaker 5: as a filmmaker, not only being that prolific, but like
Speaker 5: in any Hall, he's a comedian who first off falls
Speaker 5: in love when it doesn't work out. So that to
Speaker 5: me was like Okay, well, this is cynical in a
Speaker 5: way that I find to be honest, Like it's going
Speaker 5: against the Hollywood.
Speaker 1: They have to kiss and end up together. So that
Speaker 1: was kind of like, Wow, this feels honest about life.
Speaker 1: I relate to that.
Speaker 5: He's also a stand up comedian. He's also a New
Speaker 5: York Jew. He also is attracted to like non to gentiles, like,
Speaker 5: holy shit, was this written about me? What the hell
Speaker 5: is going on? And then he chooses New York over LA.
Speaker 5: It felt very much like, Wow, this feels a lot
Speaker 5: like someone like if I could have made a movie,
Speaker 5: this would have been it. And I think it's a
Speaker 5: beautiful movie. Still, I saw a film form nearby me
Speaker 5: recently and it holds up for sure.
Speaker 2: It means it's a great It's a fucking great film.
Speaker 2: It really is a great film. But my next question
Speaker 2: is what is the film you most relate to?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: Oh? I think so? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think I definitely relate to that character. I mean
Speaker 5: relate to now or relate to as as a child
Speaker 5: that was. I thought you meant like a formative one,
Speaker 5: But yeah, no, what do I relate to now?
Speaker 3: It can be however you interpret the outset.
Speaker 5: Damn, I mean, sometimes you relate to a movie that
Speaker 5: has nothing to do with who you are. You're just like, well,
Speaker 5: I just this movie just connects with me. And that's
Speaker 5: like any film noir. That's probably why it shows like
Speaker 5: a film noir.
Speaker 1: Backup.
Speaker 5: I just love detective movies, and I love the speech pattern.
Speaker 1: Feels very much like a comic and there's you know.
Speaker 5: They have their own language, they have witty retorts, which
Speaker 5: we hope to have.
Speaker 1: They have a nocturnal profession.
Speaker 5: I mean there's so many, but yeah, I mean obviously
Speaker 5: I was kind of going for like an Elliott Gould
Speaker 5: long Goodbye look.
Speaker 1: In the special with that backdrop.
Speaker 5: So I mean those movies I relate to very much
Speaker 5: if we're not doing like comedy movies like oh Man,
Speaker 5: Like I love those old film noirs from like the
Speaker 5: forties and the fifties.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a Lightning Place, you've seen that which in
Speaker 2: a Lonely Place?
Speaker 5: Oh, with Bogart. I love that movie. Oh it's beautiful.
Speaker 5: That's my favorite performance he ever gave me too. He's
Speaker 5: amazing in it. Yeah, it's like and I love Gloria Graham.
Speaker 5: I mean she by the way she fucked her step son.
Speaker 1: Did you know that one?
Speaker 3: I did that.
Speaker 1: It was a big scandal her ex husband.
Speaker 5: She was caught having sex with the step son and
Speaker 5: it wound her career because they got married, I think.
Speaker 5: And she's another one of my favorite ones called The
Speaker 5: Big Heat with Glenn Ford. Oh, that's a cool movie.
Speaker 5: That one's one of my favorite. We watched that on
Speaker 5: the tour bus last year. It's so funny that people
Speaker 5: think we're living this like rock and roll lifestyle and
Speaker 5: I'm like, we're literally drinking wine watching a nineteen fifties
Speaker 5: film noir. They think we're blowing lines and like with prostitutes.
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, we're gonna here's one from the Criterion
Speaker 5: collection tonight.
Speaker 1: Boys.
Speaker 5: You know, we're so I'm so boring on the road
Speaker 5: these days. I wasn't always, but these days, to keep
Speaker 5: it going, I have to be.
Speaker 3: Well, just say that you didn't die.
Speaker 5: I think just you just are like, oh, man, I
Speaker 5: got to take care of myself. If I'm going to
Speaker 5: keep touring like this, you just have to. I have
Speaker 5: to make time for exercise, I have to make time.
Speaker 1: For you know, writing. I have to be disciplined if
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is objectively the greatest film of all time
Speaker 2: might not be your favorite?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's between two for me.
Speaker 5: I think it's unfortunately pretty obvious for a reason because
Speaker 5: you said objectively, not subjectively. So I think one is
Speaker 5: definitely Citizen Kane, because you have to say, okay, Orson
Speaker 5: Wells changed movies.
Speaker 1: He was twenty five years old when he made it.
Speaker 5: He changed the form of how we consume movies, how
Speaker 5: films are shot. And I think you have to pay
Speaker 5: respects to people like that Bill Russell in basketball, Like
Speaker 5: would he be good enough today to compete? I don't know,
Speaker 5: but in the sixties he won like ten rings, So
Speaker 5: I think you have to pay respects to the greats.
Speaker 1: Respects. I just said respect And so Citizen Kane.
Speaker 5: I rewatched it the other night because I am obsessed
Speaker 5: with Orson Wells. I find it would be like the
Speaker 5: most interesting talk show guest ever. I think he's so
Speaker 5: funny and witty, and there's a book I love about
Speaker 5: him called Lunches with Orson I think is the funniest book.
Speaker 5: I think he's phenomenal. So yes, it's not even my
Speaker 5: probably not my favorite. Orson Welles movie. I think I
Speaker 5: might like The Third Man better, but I love Citizen
Speaker 5: Kane and I think it's like one of those movies
Speaker 5: that you, even if you don't.
Speaker 1: Love, you have to like say, Okay, this.
Speaker 3: Is incredible, respects you could.
Speaker 5: And the other one is Godfather because Godfather is it's
Speaker 5: relatable to look at how much of the world loves Godfather.
Speaker 5: You're like, this is a movie that's that people relate
Speaker 5: to because of what Coppola made it about family.
Speaker 1: It's not just about it's not another mob movie.
Speaker 5: This is family, yeah, and about respect and family, and
Speaker 5: these are things everyone relates to. And then he made,
Speaker 5: you know, one of the best movies of all time.
Speaker 5: So those are two that are like, to me, objective,
Speaker 5: they're not. I don't think either in my top five,
Speaker 5: but I still I still love them.
Speaker 2: You you understood this question, I'm gonna I'm gonna choose
Speaker 2: Citizen Kain for you.
Speaker 1: Okay, that works.
Speaker 3: What's the sexiest family you've ever say? Summary?
Speaker 5: I mean unf Faithful with Diane Lane, but I've never
Speaker 5: seen the entire movie.
Speaker 1: I've only seen parts.
Speaker 5: And the other one is Wild Things because of when
Speaker 5: I saw it with Denise Richards.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this girl is so hot,
Speaker 1: and Nev.
Speaker 5: Campbell too, I mean, but Unfaithful probably like she's so
Speaker 5: hot in that movie.
Speaker 3: It's very very very very peaceful, like my goodness.
Speaker 5: But basic instinct too, Like I mean, that's like, that's
Speaker 5: like the corniest answer ever. But I'm not even talking
Speaker 5: about like the famous scene with her legs.
Speaker 1: That's like whatever I'm talking about, Like Sharon Stone, that
Speaker 1: whole movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she and Triple Horn they're both so she
Speaker 5: gets left in the dust because everyone talks about Sharon Stone.
Speaker 3: She was hot too, Sammy, so good to do this
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 2: I've had a runner of this podcast for people that
Speaker 2: pretended that film's out sexy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I could go on, but those are
Speaker 1: like those are like the first three to hit me.
Speaker 5: Unfaithful was like maybe that was like when I came
Speaker 5: into my own as an adolescent, and I'm like, I've
Speaker 5: got a lot of energy to keep me watching this
Speaker 5: to catch my drift. I think any any Linda Fiorentino
Speaker 5: movie in the nineties too, like Last Seduction, she was
Speaker 5: she was so.
Speaker 1: That movie lost a movie too. Yeah, Oh I love
Speaker 1: I love John Dahl man. Yeah, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 5: I mean, noir is my favorite type of movie, so
Speaker 5: I think the nineties has a lot of undergrad ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Defininely Dress one of my favorite films.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite films, and one of my favorite books.
Speaker 5: I love the Waltim There's a line I quote from
Speaker 5: it all the time because I think about it. It's
Speaker 5: one of the most applicable lines from Just Life is
Speaker 5: I think at the end of the I'm paraphrasing the books,
Speaker 5: I'm fucking it up, but it's like something along the
Speaker 5: lines of Easy Rollins is telling the bartender like, man,
Speaker 5: would you stand by your friend if you knew he
Speaker 5: did some really really bad stuff? And the bartender just
Speaker 5: basically says, ship man, friends is all we got.
Speaker 1: And I just think about that line, like.
Speaker 5: That's perfect, that's that's that says so much about just
Speaker 5: you know, everything about everyone.
Speaker 2: Well the end, definitely, Dress has my top five favorite
Speaker 2: last line to film.
Speaker 1: What's I remember He's like in the suburbs kind of right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is.
Speaker 2: He's sat on the porch and it's like voiceover, and
Speaker 2: he's been through all this stuff and he says, and
Speaker 2: I sat on my poach with my friend and we
Speaker 2: laughed a long time and that's the end.
Speaker 3: Like that's a fucking beauty.
Speaker 1: Damn. Yeah, he's he's.
Speaker 5: It's almost a shame Denzel to get to play like
Speaker 5: a classic p I more because he's perfect for it.
Speaker 5: That got great director to Carl Franklin and a lot
Speaker 5: of great stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one FoST move he did one move, Yeah, great, maybe.
Speaker 5: And he's directed a bunch of this new series. I
Speaker 5: love calling Manhunt the Lincoln.
Speaker 3: Yeah good, that sounds great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked it a lot. It's another one that
Speaker 1: didn't get good reviews.
Speaker 5: On ron Tomatoes. I was like, I'm gonna give it
Speaker 5: a shot. I thought it was really good.
Speaker 2: Great sub category. Yeah, troubling. Banner is worrying. Why don't
Speaker 2: film you found a rousing you weren't sure you should?
Speaker 5: Jeez, that's tough. It's hard to because like, I don't
Speaker 5: not in a way that I'm embarrassed. I just don't
Speaker 5: really operate that way. But it turns me on, it
Speaker 5: turns me on. I'm not you know, It's like, I'm
Speaker 5: not I'm not getting turned on by anything illegal, So
Speaker 5: I'm not like panicking.
Speaker 1: Geez, this is a weird one. I guess Booty Call
Speaker 1: is pretty hot. I mean, Vivi Gay.
Speaker 5: Fox is just so attractive in that movie. But it's
Speaker 5: like not, It's like they're doing it as like comedy.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, so, I don't have like a great answer.
Speaker 5: I was never like but she was just so hot
Speaker 5: in that movie. And of course, you know, while while
Speaker 5: Jamie Fox is hooking up with her, he's doing like
Speaker 5: Mike Tyson impressions and stuff, and she's turned on by it,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, this is like Rooney, what should be
Speaker 5: a hot scene.
Speaker 2: That's like, that's a good outset, that's fair. What is
Speaker 2: the film that you could or have watched? The mice
Speaker 2: diver and iver again.
Speaker 5: I've watched Dumb and Dumbers so many times that I
Speaker 5: can just like I can quote it inside out like that.
Speaker 1: That's one that we quote a lot.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think what else I've watched so many
Speaker 5: It's probably a comedy, because comedies are just easier to rewatch.
Speaker 1: I think than that I've watched a million times.
Speaker 5: I mean Dan Billy Madison as a kid alone, I
Speaker 5: must have watched probably like forty times because I just
Speaker 5: I couldn't get enough of it.
Speaker 1: Back to School was up there, Dangerfield.
Speaker 5: That's I mean that that movie makes me laugh so
Speaker 5: hard because like every character just serves to set up
Speaker 5: his jokes.
Speaker 1: Like even first seeing his wife's like.
Speaker 5: Oh you're impossible. Oh yeah, and you're easy. Like it's
Speaker 5: just every line is rodney. So that movie, like, yeah,
Speaker 5: back it might be back to school. Honestly that that
Speaker 5: are dumb and dumber. Probably those three, those three I said,
Speaker 5: what was the third one Bill Madison? And two of
Speaker 5: them about an older guy going back to school. I
Speaker 5: just now realized. But but that's you're setting it up
Speaker 5: for comedy. They get to be completely inappropriate. I watched
Speaker 5: the South Park movie a lot too.
Speaker 3: That was another one, great great film.
Speaker 1: I'm watching so many times. Music. I know all the music.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like it's an incredible music and it's
Speaker 2: a really really good angry film, Like it's appropriately angry.
Speaker 3: Smile. It's great film.
Speaker 5: That always feels well with anything that makes like a
Speaker 5: strong social statement without hammering it. They just do it
Speaker 5: through jokes, which I really appreciate. It never feels at
Speaker 5: a place in time.
Speaker 3: It's very good. It's very good.
Speaker 2: What is on the other end, of this guy, which
Speaker 2: I like to be too negative, Sam, So we'll do
Speaker 2: this quickly.
Speaker 3: What's the worst film you've ever seen?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I don't. I don't finish a
Speaker 1: movie if I don't like it.
Speaker 5: If i'm because I just think, like, if it's that bad.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was something I saw as a kid that
Speaker 5: I wasn't able to walk out of because my parents.
Speaker 1: My parents wouldn't let me walk out.
Speaker 5: I remember hating the movie Home for the Holidays, which
Speaker 5: I don't even think is a bad movie, but I
Speaker 5: was too young to see it, and I was really
Speaker 5: annoyed that we couldn't walk out on it.
Speaker 1: So that was one. But I bet it's not that bad.
Speaker 1: I think I was just too young for it. You know.
Speaker 5: It's usually a movie a girlfriend of mine loves that,
Speaker 5: like like I hated Naughty Hill.
Speaker 1: I me and my.
Speaker 5: Girlfriend's like like this is the best, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: I like rom coms. It's just got to be a
Speaker 5: good Like I'm like, this is just like so stupid,
Speaker 5: Like who cares she's a famous actress or it's all
Speaker 5: for to fine love.
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit. It was out of the gatos,
Speaker 1: like I don't even care.
Speaker 5: And I just wasn't that charmed by I think Hugh
Speaker 5: Grant can be really good, but I just wasn't that charmed.
Speaker 1: But oh, I'm so I'm bumbling, I'm so charming, you know,
Speaker 1: I just don't give a shit. So I thought that sucked.
Speaker 5: Man, there's a lot I can tell you that I
Speaker 5: think kind of sucked. But I don't finish them.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. So I don't know if maybe it
Speaker 1: gets better.
Speaker 2: What is hearing comedy? You're very funny? What's the film
Speaker 2: that made you laugh the most as a kid?
Speaker 5: The ones that the three I mentioned for the ones
Speaker 5: I've watched, or the four I mentioned the ones that
Speaker 5: I watched? I think those four like killed me. Mcgruber
Speaker 5: makes me laugh my ass off. You know what killed
Speaker 5: me as a kid. I don't think it's one of
Speaker 5: his best movies, but damn it made me laugh. The
Speaker 5: Nutty Professor, Like I love the Professor. It blew my
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Coming to America, Beverlyo's Got those
Speaker 5: are all like way better movies.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, Nutty Professor like I saw in
Speaker 1: the theater with my.
Speaker 5: Dad and I was just watching my dad lose it
Speaker 5: during the farts scene, and I was like, I've never
Speaker 5: seen him laugh like that. My dad's a really intelligent guy.
Speaker 5: I to see him lose it during farts was like
Speaker 5: kind of a beautiful moment for me. So yeah, that
Speaker 5: one got me for sure, dumb and dumber, just like
Speaker 5: it's crazy how many times I've watched.
Speaker 1: It and it's still hits, but there were a lot.
Speaker 5: First time I saw Billy Madison, I was kind of like,
Speaker 5: I didn't know you were able to just do this.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were able to just be this ridiculous.
Speaker 5: It was one of the things I did like when
Speaker 5: you see something, Oh, I didn't know that that was
Speaker 5: allowed that you could. You didn't have to say lines,
Speaker 5: you could just make weird noises and stuff.
Speaker 2: I lost it. Are you going to make a film
Speaker 2: when you got back to school? Plus no?
Speaker 1: No, because it's been done so well.
Speaker 5: I hate when they remake stuff like I'm not going
Speaker 5: to make a better back to School movie than Back
Speaker 5: to School or Billy Madison. But you know, yeah, I
Speaker 5: do want to write a movie or make a movie,
Speaker 5: and they've written a movie, so maybe one day we'll
Speaker 5: make it.
Speaker 1: But I love those too much to ever, you know,
Speaker 1: take a stab at Sam.
Speaker 2: You've been excellent, You've been a wonderful guest, as expected. However,
Speaker 2: when you were on tour and you went to the Midwest,
Speaker 2: not you lovely pass in the Midwest, of which there
Speaker 2: are so many, but one of the bad bus that
Speaker 2: you you've chosen not to name for legal reasons. And
Speaker 2: you did your show and it went well, but you
Speaker 2: were tired, and you'd run out of films to watch
Speaker 2: on the bus, and you said to the guys, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm going to stay in a nice treat myself.
Speaker 2: And you're in like a four seasons and wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: you really went away.
Speaker 3: You're like, you know what, I got.
Speaker 1: Really way nicer than I pictured it, by the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you ordered some dinner into your room. You
Speaker 2: sort of romance to yourself. You were like, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna you have the little candles and you
Speaker 2: took you even tired, but you're like, I've been working out,
Speaker 2: I deserve a little treat. And you you took off
Speaker 2: your belt and you looked at it and you thought, well,
Speaker 2: I guess, well, wow, my will it's here, I may
Speaker 2: as well use it. I suppose and you you put
Speaker 2: your belt around your neck and you threaded it through,
Speaker 2: and then you you thought, well, where else am I
Speaker 2: going to put it? I guess, well, I guess, well
Speaker 2: do you put clothes? You put them in the in
Speaker 2: the in the in the closet. So you you head
Speaker 2: over to the closet, put this belt away, I suppose,
Speaker 2: and you you tie it around the rail, and you
Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's still on my neck. That's awkward.
Speaker 2: I guess, ah, well, why not treat myself? You know,
Speaker 2: I'm tired, but I deserve a little break. And so
Speaker 2: you start, you start to play with yourself little treat.
Speaker 2: You've been working hard on this.
Speaker 1: And I earned it. I did pretty well, and.
Speaker 3: You did really well.
Speaker 2: And it's not your favorite venue, and you you really
Speaker 2: manage to make it. Way you deserve this, and so
Speaker 2: you're you're playing away with yourself, playing away and really romance.
Speaker 2: You have had a lovely dinner beforehand, and and you
Speaker 2: you sort of lean forward and all the excitement and
Speaker 2: and your footslips and you choke yourself to death. But
Speaker 2: as to try and sort of keep your balance, you
Speaker 2: squeeze your hand around your dick, so you die quite
Speaker 2: slowly choking, but you're because of the way that you died.
Speaker 2: Your dick remains hard, and you'll be pleased. It looks
Speaker 2: great on the outside, looks great, but the rest of
Speaker 2: you does not look good.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, anyway, in the morning, the cleaner comes not not
Speaker 2: has keeping.
Speaker 3: She comes in.
Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus Christ looks away. I shouldn't be seeing that.
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus looks back. Oh his head's purple and not
Speaker 2: and not.
Speaker 3: The other one.
Speaker 2: Oh that's bad. I'm walking around with a coffee, you
Speaker 2: know what. I'm like, and I hear this woman shouting
Speaker 2: and I go okay, and she goes, yeah, I just
Speaker 2: came in to clean and this has happened. And I go,
Speaker 2: what She's just come in and I come in. I
Speaker 2: see you there bloated. Your head is a big, like
Speaker 2: purple sort of watermelon, and you did it's hardest, but
Speaker 2: you had this grip gripped it.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm like, I'm so sorry you had to see that,
Speaker 2: and she goes, why did you have to see it?
Speaker 3: And I don't know.
Speaker 2: Neither of us should have had to see this, but
Speaker 2: I said, I said, listen, don't be sad that he's
Speaker 2: going to be happy that he seems to have romanced
Speaker 2: to himself on his last night.
Speaker 3: And he does.
Speaker 2: Look he does have a slight slight grid on his
Speaker 2: and so I say, help me out, and we cut
Speaker 2: down your thing because of all the bloat in your
Speaker 2: head's much bigger than we were expecting. Some I'm like,
Speaker 2: can you get the fire acts from the hole? She
Speaker 2: gets the fire acts. We start chopping up, chopping you up,
Speaker 2: chopping out, chopping out a bit. She's like, what do
Speaker 2: we do with the dick. I'm like, I guess we
Speaker 2: chop that tears. She chops it up, chops it, chops it,
Speaker 2: chops it. We put all the bits of your into
Speaker 2: the coffin. There's more of you than I was expecting
Speaker 2: in large head. There's no room in this coffin. There's
Speaker 2: only enough room for me to slip one DVD into
Speaker 2: the side for you to take across to the other side.
Speaker 2: On the other side, it's movie night every night. What
Speaker 2: film are you taking to show the people of heaven
Speaker 2: where the knicks are? When it's your movie night, Samaria, I.
Speaker 1: Get one movie. It's going to be like a silly one.
Speaker 1: It's because it's gonna be one.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna keep rewatching, so it's probably gonna be like
Speaker 5: it's going to be back to school, maybe a dumb
Speaker 5: and dumber one.
Speaker 3: Of those, which one the coffin's closing back to school.
Speaker 2: He's going back to school, Samaril, Yeah, what a pleasure.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about your death. That was one of the
Speaker 2: most upsetting ones we've ever had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was rough, but you know what, sometimes going
Speaker 1: to live on the edge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Four Seasons lovely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't. It's almost like it's almost like I knew.
Speaker 2: What what would you like to tell people to look
Speaker 2: out for?
Speaker 3: Starting Sambaro?
Speaker 5: The new special on Amazon or Prime Video whatever they're
Speaker 5: calling up these days. What's cool. It's called you've changed.
Speaker 5: I was I literally got a couch for this. I
Speaker 5: got this terrorist here. I was gonna I got a
Speaker 5: couch for it off Amazon. It's a piece of junk.
Speaker 5: I'm literally complaining that Amazon customer service while promoting an
Speaker 5: Amazon special right now.
Speaker 1: But you know that that one's out. I got my pod.
Speaker 1: We might be drunk.
Speaker 5: If you're ever in New York, you got to come
Speaker 5: through with my boy Mark Norman and yeah, I got
Speaker 5: a ton of specials on YouTube. I got one on Netflix,
Speaker 5: so so check it out. And I'm actually coming to London.
Speaker 5: I'm coming to your neck of the woods in September,
Speaker 5: September eighteenth. I'm doing shows London, Dublin, Belfast, I'm coming
Speaker 5: all over.
Speaker 3: Where are you one in London?
Speaker 1: Shepherd's Bush Empire.
Speaker 3: That's that good? Yeah, that's good. That's pretty good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm doing that September eighteenth, Shepherd's Bush Empire. And
Speaker 5: then yeah, I'm doing Belfast, Dublin, Paris, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Oslo
Speaker 5: and Stockholm.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, ar took us still available in those two.
Speaker 5: But it's gonna be fun to go there. The fun
Speaker 5: thing about this life, if you don't sell well, you
Speaker 5: get a little trip.
Speaker 3: So it's Brian to them.
Speaker 1: Not those No, But I'm going to do it next year.
Speaker 1: I'm bringing back. I would do like a proper.
Speaker 5: Theater tour again next year. But I just I need
Speaker 5: to write a new act. Dude, I need new jokes.
Speaker 3: I hear that.
Speaker 5: That's like we were saying, comics were humble because we
Speaker 5: got to you gotta eat it. You gotta eat it
Speaker 5: for a while to you figure it out, you know.
Speaker 3: Anyway, a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you for a pleasure, man, great talking to you, man.
Speaker 3: I have a wonderful dad. I see you soon. I'm
Speaker 3: going to stop the recording now, all right, goodbye. So
Speaker 3: that was episode three hundred and eight. Head over to
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