Speaker 1: How do you guys sleep? No, like, are you I
Speaker 1: don't mean do you sleep well?
Speaker 2: Or do you sleep?
Speaker 1: I mean like, are you back sleepers? Are you side sleepers?
Speaker 1: Do you sleep on your stomach? Does it switch? Like?
Speaker 2: How do you guys sleep?
Speaker 3: I love this conversation.
Speaker 4: On my stomach the whole night.
Speaker 5: No, that's how I fall asleep, like I can only
Speaker 5: fall asleep. And it took me a while to realize this.
Speaker 5: I was like, I'd toss and turn or be on
Speaker 5: my side, and then eventually I realized, like, you, no,
Speaker 5: I need to sleep, like on my stomach.
Speaker 4: That's how I fall asleep. I usually wake up in
Speaker 4: a different position.
Speaker 5: But yeah, but that and it's so funny because now
Speaker 5: I know that I'm getting tired enough to actually go
Speaker 5: to sleep when I find myself in that position.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like if I'm if I think I'm going to sleep,
Speaker 5: but I'm still not there and I'm like lying on
Speaker 5: my back, I'll be Oh, I'm the line on my back.
Speaker 4: There's no way I'm going to sleep for the next
Speaker 4: twenty minutes or so. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I used to be the exact same way. I was
Speaker 3: almost an exclusive stomach sleeper. I could not fall asleep
Speaker 3: any other way, and would if I wanted to sleep,
Speaker 3: I would flip over onto my stomach and it would
Speaker 3: be lights out, and then I would wake up and
Speaker 3: I would still be on my stomach. And then being pregnant,
Speaker 3: you can't sleep on your stomach, and I remember being
Speaker 3: very nervous, like in the early stages of pregnancy you
Speaker 3: still can sleep on your stomach, and being.
Speaker 2: Like, what am I going to do?
Speaker 3: What am I gonna do? I'm just not gonna sleep.
Speaker 3: I'm just not going to sleep. And then the good
Speaker 3: news is you're not sleeping when you're pregnant anyway, because
Speaker 3: you have to pay every five minutes and you've got
Speaker 3: some pains, and news well because because then then the war,
Speaker 3: it's not the worst thing that you can't sleep on
Speaker 3: your stomach because you're just not sleeping anyway when you're seven,
Speaker 3: eight nine months pregnant. But I did, especially in my
Speaker 3: pregnancy with Keaton, get very comfortable sleeping on my side.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, It wasn't a problem. It was
Speaker 3: like suddenly sleeping on my side felt very natural and
Speaker 3: very comfortable. I used to always feel on my side
Speaker 3: that I didn't know what you do? Where do these go?
Speaker 3: What does what happens with this? Like what does this
Speaker 3: one do? And like is this one? This one's gonna fall.
Speaker 2: Asleep like you act in a jacket.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly possible. I could never act in a jacket.
Speaker 3: Couldn't sleep on my side. I also would feel like
Speaker 3: I would like my weight would roll over forward, and
Speaker 3: I was like, well, now I'm still kind of on
Speaker 3: my stomach anyway, long story short. With Keaton, I got
Speaker 3: very comfortable sleeping on my side, and now I sleep
Speaker 3: in coffin pose on my side. So so both arms
Speaker 3: vampire yes, and it's glorious it is. And so I'll
Speaker 3: now fall asleep on my side in vampire pose and
Speaker 3: then sometimes still wake up on my stomach. But I
Speaker 3: vacillate between side sleeping vampire style and stomach sleeping.
Speaker 4: Do you have her back?
Speaker 1: Do you have a specific side or is it? Is
Speaker 1: it switching between the sides you have?
Speaker 3: I can switch between the sides, but I start off
Speaker 3: on my left side okay, and then I usually will
Speaker 3: end up rolling over onto my right side.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 5: I once work than actress who told me you can't
Speaker 5: sleep on your face, you can't sleep on your stomach.
Speaker 3: Because because you wrinkles.
Speaker 4: So she trained herself to sleep on her back.
Speaker 3: Best friend Danielle did the exact same thing. Danielle sleep.
Speaker 3: Danielle literally sleep. My friend Danielle literally sleeps arms down
Speaker 3: by her side on a satin pillow, looking straight up.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, God, preserve my face.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. I mean I also drink the blood of
Speaker 3: my husband and that keeps me young, so will what
Speaker 3: about you?
Speaker 2: I don't I try not to drink too much of of.
Speaker 1: Your producer Jensen producer Jensen Cup, husband of this podcast blood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's got a strange aftertaste. But no, I sleep on
Speaker 1: my stomach. I sleep on my stomach or my side,
Speaker 1: but I nap on my back. What Yes, napping is
Speaker 1: the only time I snore and it's because I'm on
Speaker 1: my back.
Speaker 3: So you nap on your back too, writer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I'm if I'm nappy, and I only wanted
Speaker 5: to last twenty minutes, and.
Speaker 3: So it's like, I can, I know, make sure you're uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I guess so between twenty minutes and four hours. And
Speaker 1: it's that same thing. But I nap in coffin pose
Speaker 1: where there's times where I Sue will come in and
Speaker 1: be like, that's the creepiest thing I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: my life because I am full like this and out
Speaker 1: I wow, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Huh oh interesting.
Speaker 2: I was just curious. I was ccared thought about that
Speaker 2: when I woke up this morning. I was like, I
Speaker 2: know how I sleep, but I don't know how they sleep.
Speaker 3: To find out, we should do a slumber party one day.
Speaker 2: Okay, the Boy meets World House.
Speaker 5: Hey are webb the Boy meets World House?
Speaker 3: I mean you may be onto something.
Speaker 4: I do want to see what it looks like.
Speaker 5: It's uh, wouldn't it be crazy if we walked in
Speaker 5: and it was like exactly.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my gosh, what if the Boy meets What
Speaker 3: if the Matthew's couch is in there and.
Speaker 1: The family picture and Rusty's just there?
Speaker 3: Oh man, I hope that would be so awesome. Anyway,
Speaker 3: Welcome to Pod meets World. I'mdaniel Fishal, I'm right or Strong,
Speaker 3: and I'm Wilfredell. Our guest today is Nancy Carrigan, who
Speaker 3: is way better than doing this podcast. But she said yes,
Speaker 3: so we're gonna accept her answer. We're gonna roll with it.
Speaker 3: I mean, she won a handful of Olympic medals as
Speaker 3: a figure skater, competing from nineteen ninety one to nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety four, including the Unforgettable Showdown with Oxana Bayoul and
Speaker 3: Lily Hammer, which earned her a place on the world
Speaker 3: stage and a silver medal. And that same year, what
Speaker 3: you may unfortunately know her best from is when Nancy
Speaker 3: found herself thrust into an infamous scandal that is still
Speaker 3: pop culture fodder today, when she was attacked by a
Speaker 3: hitman that a rival's ex husband hired to sideline her
Speaker 3: from the competition. Beyond that, though Carrigan was inducted into
Speaker 3: the United States Figure Skating Hall of Fame in two
Speaker 3: thousand and four, she starred in Broadway on ice and
Speaker 3: competed in Dancing with the Stars in twenty seventeen. But
Speaker 3: today we are less interested in all of that, all
Speaker 3: of those accolades and those incidents, because she played herself
Speaker 3: in one episode of Boy Meets World, Season two, episode nineteen,
Speaker 3: Wrong Side of the Tracks in nineteen ninety five, and
Speaker 3: that is what she's here to talk about today. So
Speaker 3: let's please welcome to the podcast. Nancy Carrigan.
Speaker 2: Hey, Yes, how are you?
Speaker 6: I'm good? How are you doing.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, thank you so much for being here
Speaker 3: with us.
Speaker 6: I'm glad to be this has been a long time.
Speaker 7: I'm really I was just disappointed years and years ago
Speaker 7: when I didn't get to go on set and meet everybody.
Speaker 7: I know, I mean, Will it was great working with you,
Speaker 7: but it was I've been a huge fan, My kids
Speaker 7: are fans. We've watched, you know, all of Boy Meets
Speaker 7: World plus Girl Meets World.
Speaker 3: So, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just remember being very cold. I just remember
Speaker 1: being very, very cold.
Speaker 3: So let's to jump into it. My very first question
Speaker 3: is do you remember how you kind of ended up
Speaker 3: on Boy Meets World? Did Was it just a phone
Speaker 3: call to you? And then ask how did that come about?
Speaker 7: I always should ask this before the questions come up,
Speaker 7: because I don't know. I have an agent who's still
Speaker 7: my agent, but now my husband.
Speaker 3: Would he have been your He would have been your
Speaker 3: agent at the time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, So someone must have called him and asked
Speaker 7: if I would be on and of course I'm like, yes,
Speaker 7: for sure, and I I think it was at the time.
Speaker 6: I was in in.
Speaker 7: Lake Placid anyway, already filming, and so we're like, yes,
Speaker 7: it sounded, you know, made sense and makes it look
Speaker 7: more dream like, not being in just an ice rink,
Speaker 7: I guess.
Speaker 6: So yeah, part of the dream.
Speaker 3: That is my question. Will Where did you guys, because
Speaker 3: you were you were filmed it in Lake Placid, which
Speaker 3: the world had no business being in Lake Placid. We
Speaker 3: went there for you, Nancy, right.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 1: I remember flying there with with Kendall and I want
Speaker 1: to say Karen McCain and we who are two of
Speaker 1: our producers, and we flew there and I just remember
Speaker 1: landing and even growing up in the East Coast in Connecticut,
Speaker 1: I was still like, this is really cold.
Speaker 4: It was. You were already as at that point converted.
Speaker 1: We went to this house that was, you know, in
Speaker 1: front of a frozen lake, which I guess was Lake
Speaker 1: Placid or something smaller.
Speaker 6: Was it Mirror Lake?
Speaker 1: I think Mirror Lake, okay, And we had to take
Speaker 1: snowmobiles to get to the lake to then put me
Speaker 1: on skates for the second time in my entire life
Speaker 1: in front of Nancy Carrigan, which isn't intimidating at all,
Speaker 1: which is awesome.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was what a day.
Speaker 3: How did you find out you were going to be
Speaker 3: working with Nancy.
Speaker 1: I think they kind of said, you know, Kendall pulled
Speaker 1: me aside and said, hey, we're going to be doing
Speaker 1: a dream sequence with Nancy Kerrigan.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's awesome. Who's going to go skate
Speaker 2: with her? Because it can't be me?
Speaker 6: Hey, who's that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I know exactly who you are, and
Speaker 2: so it was I.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember then they literally brought me to
Speaker 1: an ice skating store and I sat there and they
Speaker 1: fitted me with really expensive, ridiculous skates that hurt so much.
Speaker 1: I don't know how Nancy you do this. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like your feet are in a vice all
Speaker 1: day long.
Speaker 2: It is excruciatingly painful.
Speaker 7: Yes, when they're new, especially, but then people will say, oh,
Speaker 7: you must have strong ankles. I'm like, no, they're very
Speaker 7: strong boots. There's like four layers of leather, although now
Speaker 7: they're all plastic and super light and it's really different,
Speaker 7: which hard for me to get used to.
Speaker 6: I have a new pair of.
Speaker 7: Those plastic skates and I yet to to try and
Speaker 7: break them in.
Speaker 2: It's oh, it's horrifying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, these days have it easy. You want those hard leather,
Speaker 4: heavy boots.
Speaker 1: They were so painful, and I just I just remember
Speaker 1: standing there with you, and you kind of being very
Speaker 1: nice and trying to help me essentially stand on the
Speaker 1: skates and I you look down at my skates, and
Speaker 1: then you looked up at me and you smiled, and
Speaker 1: I went, these are good skates, aren't they? And you
Speaker 1: very politely went, they're very good and maybe a little
Speaker 1: too good for for your level.
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, maybe you don't deserve these.
Speaker 7: You probably needed, like not just the try on and see,
Speaker 7: okay these fit.
Speaker 6: You needed to practice in them, maybe, yeah, yeah, which.
Speaker 1: Of course I didn't do at all. It was just here,
Speaker 1: here are skates. Now go stand on ice with Nancy Kerrigan.
Speaker 2: Like, so, does that mean that.
Speaker 4: Kendall directed it? Did he direct the Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah he did. I was wondering because the.
Speaker 4: Trainer gets credit for the episode, but he didn't even go.
Speaker 1: Kend was it bundled up like head to toe like
Speaker 1: we were hiking in Alaska and you had one camera?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I was so concentrating on hitting my
Speaker 1: double LUTs that oh yeah, your career that was obviously me.
Speaker 6: Clearly a couple axel and sitspin.
Speaker 2: I think I did well. The sitspin was easy. I
Speaker 2: had that down at the airport. It was the it was.
Speaker 2: I was worried about the about the double axle. Let's
Speaker 2: take you off. It's with the axle.
Speaker 1: I mean the thing when I'm hitting my my my
Speaker 1: uh regular spins. You know, you land forward with the axle,
Speaker 1: you take off backward, you land back. The whole thing
Speaker 1: was very strange, so I was probably wrong with everything.
Speaker 1: I just said, yeah, it sounded great, right, I was
Speaker 1: committing to the to the performance though.
Speaker 3: No, Nancy, was this your first experience acting? Had you
Speaker 3: ever been asked to do another TV show?
Speaker 7: Well, I've done the Journey of Alan Strange and I
Speaker 7: don't know that right before or right after, but like
Speaker 7: right around the same time. And that thing is with
Speaker 7: like I always have to play myself, which is kind
Speaker 7: of a little boring, you know, because I'm already me,
Speaker 7: so fun like do actually try and act, But I mean,
Speaker 7: skating is a lot of acting, frankly, We're just trying
Speaker 7: to portray a character to different music. So I've done
Speaker 7: shows since but on Ice Greece where I Preowski and
Speaker 7: I did Buriel and Footloose, which was super fun. Really
Speaker 7: like I love being on and like playing that one
Speaker 7: character for two hours, as opposed to like you wait
Speaker 7: and do your three minutes of a piece and like
Speaker 7: that's kind of boring. So to be able to continue
Speaker 7: with a character is super fun.
Speaker 1: I have way, I have a question for my fellow
Speaker 1: cast members. It is a trivia question. Nancy will know
Speaker 1: the answer to this, but I want to see if
Speaker 1: you do as well.
Speaker 3: I probably will not.
Speaker 1: In what project did Nancy Kerrigan appear with William Daniels. Oh,
Speaker 1: maybe Nancy doesn't know this, which is very funny that
Speaker 1: she wouldn't because she's in it is mister Feenie. He's
Speaker 1: not mister Feenie at the time, but they were together
Speaker 1: in Blade of Glory with will.
Speaker 7: Fare Okay, oh Flory.
Speaker 1: He plays the skating judge that kicks Will Ferrell out
Speaker 1: of skating forever and on John Heater out of skating forever,
Speaker 1: and Nancy Carrigan plays a wonderful Nancy Kerrigan as she
Speaker 1: talks about.
Speaker 6: Was a long day.
Speaker 7: That is the issue with you got what you guys do,
Speaker 7: like six hours for maybe a.
Speaker 6: Thirty second piece.
Speaker 2: You know, it was crazy and it's I'm just sitting around.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, just wait, a lot of waiting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, before you got the phone call to come
Speaker 3: on Boy Meets World, were you aware of the show.
Speaker 3: Had you ever seen an episode of Boy Meets World? Hey?
Speaker 6: Guy?
Speaker 7: So I also, so that's before I had kids, but
Speaker 7: I have a step son, and so yeah, of course,
Speaker 7: I mean it's.
Speaker 6: And I'm traveling a lot with all these.
Speaker 7: Other skaters, many of whom were younger than me, and
Speaker 7: so yeah, it's it was an iconic show.
Speaker 6: I mean, of course I knew it.
Speaker 7: You guys portrayed such great characters of and it was
Speaker 7: so much about friendship and like helping one another, and
Speaker 7: it was just really uplifting I think for so many
Speaker 7: as opposed to you know, you see a lot of
Speaker 7: shows and they're at each other instead of there for
Speaker 7: one another, and it was I think it was a
Speaker 7: great thing. And frankly, we could use another show very
Speaker 7: much like that.
Speaker 2: Now. I agree, one hundred completely agree all the time.
Speaker 2: I say it all the time.
Speaker 3: Yes, So, so do you remember, like, do you guys
Speaker 3: remember what time of year it was? It was ninety four,
Speaker 3: I mean the episode aired in February of ninety five,
Speaker 3: but you guys filmed this probably in ninety four, right,
Speaker 3: I'm going to assume it was at the end of
Speaker 3: ninety four.
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 4: I believe.
Speaker 6: I thought it was in February of ninety four, but
Speaker 6: that wouldn't taken.
Speaker 3: Out well, it would have been February of ninety five
Speaker 3: is when it aired. So usually we were we would
Speaker 3: record the episodes like three to four months before they
Speaker 3: would air.
Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't say that far. Maybe really yeah, maybe
Speaker 4: on it could have.
Speaker 1: Been January, you know, Yeah, it was mid August in
Speaker 1: Lake Placid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably the hottest month of the year exactly.
Speaker 1: That was August twentieth in Lake Placid. It was below
Speaker 1: it was nine.
Speaker 3: Below yeah, right, or you're right. It could have been
Speaker 3: the very first episode back after the holiday break. We
Speaker 3: would have taken in December. It could have been January,
Speaker 3: it was, I just remember it was.
Speaker 1: It was obviously right during the height of the winter
Speaker 1: months and there, yeah, it was very very cold there.
Speaker 2: And there are.
Speaker 7: Other times and like skating outside on the lake and
Speaker 7: it's been seven below zero and you're like trying to
Speaker 7: make you know, you're happy, and it's all exciting and
Speaker 7: oh yeah.
Speaker 6: It brought back a lot of memories.
Speaker 7: I actually filmed on the same lake last year, and
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, I remember being here, but yeah,
Speaker 7: it was. It was definitely brings back memories when when
Speaker 7: I visit, you know, Lake Placid, and it was a
Speaker 7: it was a good memory for me for sure, good
Speaker 7: experience it was.
Speaker 2: It was for me too. It really was for me too.
Speaker 2: I had. I had so much fun.
Speaker 1: You were very very accommodating for my awesome skating, which
Speaker 1: uh yeah was the thing I remember most was ending
Speaker 1: up not even being able to do the regular just
Speaker 1: skate around the rink the ice part, I mean, like
Speaker 1: not even being able to be on my feet to
Speaker 1: go around.
Speaker 2: So it ended with me on my knees on a wheelchair.
Speaker 2: Oh wows.
Speaker 1: So I'm backwards on the wheelchair and they're pushing me
Speaker 1: around the ice with the camera up at me.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Doing this the whole time as they're pushing the wheelchair around,
Speaker 1: because standing on the skates just it wasn't even make
Speaker 1: that look.
Speaker 3: Will You're from Connecticut, how had you never been in
Speaker 3: ice skates?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: There were two high schools in our town. One of
Speaker 1: them was the hockey school, and we didn't like them,
Speaker 1: so I think I I just didn't do the whole
Speaker 1: hockey thing.
Speaker 2: I was. Yeah, I was a soccer, baseball, football kind
Speaker 2: of kind of guy.
Speaker 1: And the winter sports. My brother was a big winter
Speaker 1: sports guy. Greg skis and snowboards, and I think skated
Speaker 1: and did all that stuff. But I just could never
Speaker 1: And to this day, I can skate, I can roller skate,
Speaker 1: I can ski. I can't stop on any of those.
Speaker 1: So it just ends with falling everybody. So no, remember
Speaker 1: who your double was?
Speaker 2: Oh god, the story about the double.
Speaker 1: Yes, So we get there and contrary to what I
Speaker 1: said at the beginning, I might not have hit all
Speaker 1: the jumps. I was talking about Nancy the LUTs, but
Speaker 1: the sucow is somebody else. No, So we had They
Speaker 1: had a double there to skate for me, obviously, and
Speaker 1: he was a very nice guy. And they stood us
Speaker 1: together and Kendall, in his infinite wisdom, said, your hair
Speaker 1: doesn't match his hair does not match your hair. We
Speaker 1: need to color your hair. And I looked at the guy.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you gotta go get your hair colored.
Speaker 1: And David's like, I'm talking to you. So if you
Speaker 1: notice in the episode, I now have dark, dark, dark
Speaker 1: brown hair. And it's because for some reason they decided
Speaker 1: to dye my hair.
Speaker 4: Oh it's easier to go darker than it is to
Speaker 4: go lighter.
Speaker 2: I don't know, to match right, makes.
Speaker 5: Sense because if you have to if you have to
Speaker 5: make somebody's hair lighter, you have to like bleach it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to, versus like he could buy a
Speaker 3: drug store brand.
Speaker 4: Yeah dark, I.
Speaker 1: Scul were going to hat the whole time anyway, I know,
Speaker 1: I had a is that what they're called when like
Speaker 1: the hair kind of sticks.
Speaker 6: Out a band?
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, I know, but be me instead.
Speaker 1: I am at a you know, a hair salon in
Speaker 1: Lake Placid getting my hair darkened to match the and
Speaker 1: then it was dark for the rest of the rest
Speaker 1: of the season. I had like super dark brown hair.
Speaker 3: Nancy, were you nervous at all?
Speaker 6: I don't think so. Well, it was pretty easy.
Speaker 7: What I had to do was pretty easy and basically
Speaker 7: matching you know it.
Speaker 6: They dubbed the voice and.
Speaker 7: It was just so funny because because it was a
Speaker 7: dream sequence, the acting was a little weird and and.
Speaker 6: Like, you know, it was I was like so awkward.
Speaker 7: People don't act like this, and they're like but it's
Speaker 7: a dream, And I was like, yeah, but I kind
Speaker 7: of look stupid, but you know.
Speaker 3: So, I mean the way it came out was perfect.
Speaker 3: It's so good. I actually love the moment with the
Speaker 3: hand on the lips. I thought it was I thought
Speaker 3: it was really I mean, it's really great.
Speaker 6: Well it makes it funny, right, so I think that
Speaker 6: was the point.
Speaker 7: But it was a little silly, felt silly, but getting
Speaker 7: going into it, not so much. I mean, I just
Speaker 7: hope it didn't take too long because, as Weill said, freezing,
Speaker 7: it's freezing, freezing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember the scene being longer. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the thing I remember when I when I actually watched
Speaker 1: it again, I was like, oh, why did I think
Speaker 1: it was a much longer sequence than this.
Speaker 4: Because it probably took all day?
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, And it was just such a big deal
Speaker 5: to be out traveling and then be out there. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you probably had to do if you only had
Speaker 5: one camera crew, right then you would have had to
Speaker 5: do more coverage than normal than on a multi camera set.
Speaker 5: So you were used to like, oh, now we got
Speaker 5: to turn around and do this and do that. You
Speaker 5: you probably just had somebody setups. Must have felt like
Speaker 5: a long day.
Speaker 2: It's it.
Speaker 1: And then we were in a you know, they put
Speaker 1: us in a hotel there at Lake Placid, and we
Speaker 1: were in that kind of this rustic hotel where everybody
Speaker 1: was hanging out in the lobby, and I remember I
Speaker 1: didn't know anybody, so I just like snuck back to
Speaker 1: my rooms. Everyone was hanging out by the fireplace and
Speaker 1: having these cool like back East moments, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go upstairs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: The whole situation was. It was such a it was
Speaker 1: a magical kind of day.
Speaker 2: I mean, Nancy, you're here.
Speaker 1: I don't want to embarrass you, but I'm on the
Speaker 1: ice with Nancy Kerrigan, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like outside in Lake Placid, New York, and I'm shooting
Speaker 1: it as a dream sequence and she's teaching me how
Speaker 1: to skate. I mean, it was like, it's one of
Speaker 1: those days that I will always remember.
Speaker 2: I just will forever.
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Speaker 3: So I forgive me this is a stupid question. You
Speaker 3: were living and you were living there, right, Nancy, You
Speaker 3: were living in.
Speaker 6: I know has lived in near Boston.
Speaker 3: Wow, and so were you training at Lake Placid? How
Speaker 3: was that? How did I How was this location chosen?
Speaker 7: I don't know except for that unless it was filmed
Speaker 7: in ninety four. I remember I was doing a Disney
Speaker 7: special there, so I was already there, like a whole
Speaker 7: week of Disney stuff. I was a week at Disney World,
Speaker 7: and then a week there doing outdoor magical.
Speaker 6: Things and so then and then they had it for
Speaker 6: a year to wait.
Speaker 3: I don't know, well not it wouldn't it was if
Speaker 3: it aired in ninety five. It was February of ninety five,
Speaker 3: so it's possible you were doing that at the end
Speaker 3: of ninety four. Maybe it was December, Yeah.
Speaker 6: So it was. But otherwise I don't know why they
Speaker 6: would pick it except for.
Speaker 3: That, it had to have been that you were already
Speaker 3: going to be there.
Speaker 6: Lake Placid, you know. I mean, it's on a place.
Speaker 1: So I love the right outside of Boston, by the way,
Speaker 1: because East Coast people represent Massachusetts and Connecticut, thank you
Speaker 1: very much, love it very much.
Speaker 3: So, Nancy, do people ever come up to you and say, Hey,
Speaker 3: I loved you on Boy Meets World? They do?
Speaker 6: I just thought last night, you know, and yeah, they're there.
Speaker 7: It's on a lot, Actually, I would I feel like
Speaker 7: it's a lot, because they'll say it mention it now
Speaker 7: quite a bit when when it appears people see it.
Speaker 7: So people are still watching all the time, which is awesome.
Speaker 7: I mean for you guys, it's amazing, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean people, we we asked every guest.
Speaker 7: We have mean more facial hair on than you, guys,
Speaker 7: but you still look really good and young.
Speaker 3: And you I was thinking the same thing about you.
Speaker 3: I was like, she looks exactly the same as she
Speaker 3: doesn't A dream sequence from You're nearly thirty years ago?
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you thinking just from makeup? Right?
Speaker 3: Have your kids seen you on Boy Meets World? Have
Speaker 3: they ever watched any of.
Speaker 6: Your long time ago? But they're not. They're busy. My
Speaker 6: oldest is twenty six.
Speaker 7: He's a costume designer, so always working in busy, busy
Speaker 7: and television, theater, all kinds of stuff. So right now
Speaker 7: he is down in Florida doing hits.
Speaker 2: The musical Oh wow.
Speaker 6: And I have a middle guy, Brian, That that was Matthew.
Speaker 6: Brian is going into the Naval Academy. He's a senior
Speaker 6: in high school. So he's a gymnast.
Speaker 7: He's going to be on the gymnastics team next year
Speaker 7: at the Navy.
Speaker 6: That's pretty exciting.
Speaker 7: We just found out everything is all set, so he's
Speaker 7: going for sure. And then I have a we have
Speaker 7: a daughter who is a freshman in high school and
Speaker 7: she's in a conservatory ballet company, so she's They're super
Speaker 7: driven and no skaters.
Speaker 6: No Matthew tried.
Speaker 7: And by the way, his name is Matthew Eric, which
Speaker 7: I thought it was Eric Matthew, which is hysterical.
Speaker 1: Eric.
Speaker 6: Matthew decided on it.
Speaker 7: My husband got on the phone and he told someone
Speaker 7: whose name is Matthew Eric, and I was like, well,
Speaker 7: like seconds ago, we just decided And it wasn't after
Speaker 7: the character or anything, but happened to be weird coincidence.
Speaker 3: That's so funny. Will's gonna tell everybody you have a
Speaker 3: son named after him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, from now on.
Speaker 7: But there they it definitely as a parent made our
Speaker 7: job a lot easier that they found passion and something
Speaker 7: that they are super involved and invested in because they
Speaker 7: just you know, they know you have goals, you have
Speaker 7: to work hard, and so you know, yeah, real, they
Speaker 7: can't really not work hard if you have high goals.
Speaker 1: So I have a close friend of mine wrestled at
Speaker 1: Annapolis and it's that is not an easy place to
Speaker 1: get into. My father's retired at Navy Reserve. He's a
Speaker 1: captain and he so that I mean, that's congratulations. I mean,
Speaker 1: graduations to all your kids. But getting into Annapolis as
Speaker 1: an athlete is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 7: And men's gymnastics is pretty tough because there's only fifteen
Speaker 7: colleges that have NCAA who teams, so for the men,
Speaker 7: really challenging to get to get in there. But he
Speaker 7: had a couple of other opers, but this was I
Speaker 7: think going to be the best one, and it's the
Speaker 7: best fit for him. So he leaves soon, you know,
Speaker 7: and you graduate high school and then boom he's gone.
Speaker 6: It's going to be crazy big changes for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Writer and I have have younger children. Writer has
Speaker 3: an eight year old son and I have a three
Speaker 3: and a half year old son and a seventeen month
Speaker 3: old son. So the idea that like, for Writer, he's
Speaker 3: been thinking about it, like, really, only ten more summers
Speaker 3: before that's.
Speaker 4: All I get.
Speaker 5: I'm already like, oh god, Then you know, we're like
Speaker 5: halfway through his child. We have to get we have
Speaker 5: to start planning this and figuring out how we want
Speaker 5: to spend our time together, because it goes by so.
Speaker 6: Fast, so fast.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Matthew, the one that's in Florida now, he just
Speaker 7: bought his first apartment in New York. He moved when
Speaker 7: he was nineteen and started working. He did, and he's
Speaker 7: just worked ever since. So at twenty five, he could
Speaker 7: buy his own apartment in New York.
Speaker 2: I mean it's but he's named after me.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 7: Well, so they leave and when they're working and not
Speaker 7: going to college, you don't get those breaks so to
Speaker 7: come home.
Speaker 6: He's like, well, I'm working, I can't come home.
Speaker 3: Right, So you know Coco Melon, of course I do.
Speaker 7: Okay, they're on tour. He built those costumes, had those
Speaker 7: all built, and it's so funny, went much. My daughter
Speaker 7: went with her friends. We had like the oldest kids
Speaker 7: in the audience. It was so funny. So they're on
Speaker 7: tour and he you know, I'm oh, Matthew's gonna come
Speaker 7: home this weekend and then they he said, no, no,
Speaker 7: this elephant's head keeps falling off.
Speaker 6: I can't And I was like not really something I
Speaker 6: ever thought my son would be saying.
Speaker 4: What that words were?
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, so I ever propose to cocoa melon?
Speaker 6: You know, it's just weird.
Speaker 10: It's so so funny.
Speaker 3: We talk a lot on this podcast about like fame
Speaker 3: pre internet, and the pros and cons of fame pre internet,
Speaker 3: and just really briefly, I want to touch on the
Speaker 3: fact that you were the victim of an attack in
Speaker 3: ninety four, and it's a rather infamous event, and looking
Speaker 3: back on it now, one of the things that strikes
Speaker 3: me is how many jokes were made after the fact
Speaker 3: at your expense. Very strange, right, do you think had
Speaker 3: if something like that were to happen today, how do
Speaker 3: you think it would be handled? Like, do you think
Speaker 3: it would be hands differently?
Speaker 7: I don't know, I would say. Even still today there's
Speaker 7: half hour comedic shows and it's mentioned. I'm like, it's
Speaker 7: almost thirty Still presidents have mentioned like you didn't you
Speaker 7: haven't come up.
Speaker 6: With something better at the or newer to to I
Speaker 6: think it's funny. I don't know, it's see. I don't
Speaker 6: think it's anything funny to be attacked.
Speaker 3: I mean, it had to have been an extremely traumatic
Speaker 3: event for you.
Speaker 6: It was the hardest heart.
Speaker 7: I think still is like Halloween because people will dress
Speaker 7: up as me Antonia Harding and you know, think it's funny,
Speaker 7: or dress up their small children.
Speaker 6: Now you guys have small kids, Like would you think
Speaker 6: to dress one up.
Speaker 7: As never one as a villain? Like but whatever, I would?
Speaker 6: Who do this? I don't.
Speaker 7: It's song And then like so now with since it's
Speaker 7: not pre media like in social media, it's they tagged
Speaker 7: me like, hey, thanks so much. I didn't think about
Speaker 7: being attach today. Glad, you know, And and to put
Speaker 7: that spin on it, it makes it like it's funny.
Speaker 6: It's it's not, no, it's it was real life, Like
Speaker 6: what are you thinking? I don't know?
Speaker 2: So people, I have a theory.
Speaker 1: I have a theory about why people joked about it
Speaker 1: at the time and are still joking about it, And
Speaker 1: it's because of the way you handled it, which was
Speaker 1: with such class and you just you you just.
Speaker 2: Skated, that's all you did.
Speaker 1: You you went and did your job, and you did
Speaker 1: it with such again elegance in class that I think
Speaker 1: people were like, well, she's not talking, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: fill it with with noise because you were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not even gonna justify this.
Speaker 2: I'm here to do what I gotta do.
Speaker 1: I got a job that I'm really good at that
Speaker 1: I've worked my whole life for.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1: And because again you had that grace, everyone was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'll fill the void. And I that's my theory of
Speaker 1: why it happened, because I don't I believe. I don't
Speaker 1: believe enough people talk about how you handled the whole situation.
Speaker 1: They talk about everything else, but very little about how
Speaker 1: you just took it and went I'm putting it over there.
Speaker 2: I'm doing what I gotta do.
Speaker 1: I'm focused on what I gotta do, which is what
Speaker 1: an athlete does, a world class athlete does. I've been
Speaker 1: working my whole life to get here. Nothing's gonna stop me,
Speaker 1: and That's what I'm gonna do. And I think people
Speaker 1: took that as like almost like, yeah, well then I'll
Speaker 1: I'll fill in the void. And so that's always what
Speaker 1: I thought was there was And it's like, why don't
Speaker 1: we hear more about the fact that Nancy handled that
Speaker 1: like an actual champion handle stuff. But you know, you don't,
Speaker 1: you very very rarely hear about that side, which I
Speaker 1: always found very odd.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's I appreciate all. Thank you.
Speaker 7: It's a funny thing because I think people a credit.
Speaker 7: The nineties in skating was like booming. We had tours
Speaker 7: that don't even exist now. I mean one tour I
Speaker 7: did had ninety six ninety four shows through like a
Speaker 7: couple months, and we just went from city to city
Speaker 7: to city, touring all over the place.
Speaker 6: And now that doesn't even exist. But people would say, oh,
Speaker 6: well because of the attack, And I'm like, is that true?
Speaker 7: And like even signing up your kid to go take
Speaker 7: baseball or skating, Like people, would you have signed your
Speaker 7: kid up for skating?
Speaker 6: If I decided this is crazy? People?
Speaker 7: Are you know what is wrong with this? And didn't
Speaker 7: do what you're saying, like, move forward and if possible,
Speaker 7: if I can be healthy enough, go do it. Go
Speaker 7: do what I've been training for. Because if I just
Speaker 7: took back then maybe that would have been different. I
Speaker 7: think I'd only say it now because it's so long
Speaker 7: in the past. It's almost like different person at this point.
Speaker 7: But it's if I didn't show up at the Olympics,
Speaker 7: if I didn't get to compete, would there have.
Speaker 6: Been the boom?
Speaker 7: Maybe not, you know, So it's more about the positive
Speaker 7: that comes from something negative that should be looked at
Speaker 7: as this is why it is not the negative act
Speaker 7: that didn't cause the great boom of skating, you know,
Speaker 7: it's it's the positive part of it that did.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And I even did a show before going to
Speaker 6: the Olympics.
Speaker 7: A bunch of people came out just so I could
Speaker 7: perform in front of people. I didn't know what it
Speaker 7: would be like eruption of you know, clapping or what.
Speaker 7: And so friends came and perform with me so that
Speaker 7: I could just have some experience first, and like they
Speaker 7: were positive by helping, you know, by being part of that.
Speaker 6: And I think it's all.
Speaker 7: That, all that positivity that was a result of people
Speaker 7: like handling it well, I guess, but yeah, who knows.
Speaker 3: I mean, moving on after something like that requires like
Speaker 3: such intense and just strength of character. What did you
Speaker 3: do right after that to put your head down and
Speaker 3: ignore all the noise when it's all anyone could talk about?
Speaker 3: How did you separate yourself and move on?
Speaker 7: I think the actual immediate at the moment of being attached,
Speaker 7: my dad actually heard me, so he scooped me up
Speaker 7: and carried me into a room. And my little cousin,
Speaker 7: who's like seventeen years younger, she was like five years old.
Speaker 6: I think maybe she.
Speaker 7: Was The door opened and I saw her face look
Speaker 7: like is she going to die?
Speaker 6: Like what's going on?
Speaker 7: Yeah, because I was in pain, so I was screaming
Speaker 7: and the door shut and I said, open the door,
Speaker 7: have her come in here, and because little kid doesn't
Speaker 7: need to be scared, like I'm hurt, but I'm not dying,
Speaker 7: like I could see on her face fear and I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 7: it's okay. I'm going to be okay. And I think
Speaker 7: that just jolted me right into this. This sucks, this
Speaker 7: isn't this is bad. Someone else can handle what's happening outside.
Speaker 7: But right now I'm okay, you know. And I didn't
Speaker 7: know if i'd walk again, I didn't know if i'd
Speaker 7: skate again, but I was like, I was okay, So
Speaker 7: I just want to I think having her there actually,
Speaker 7: maybe who knows, helped me a lot. Imagine a little
Speaker 7: five year old, but maybe that puts it in perspective.
Speaker 7: And then after it's just my mom's been blind, my
Speaker 7: whole life. I think that always comes into play watching
Speaker 7: my dad like help so much and her everything the
Speaker 7: way everything is now, it's flat screens, flat, so cool.
Speaker 7: But when you can't feel a button hard, everything's a challenge.
Speaker 7: So like, Okay, this isn't so bad.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: It's being able to learn perspective and having empathy for
Speaker 7: others and going, yeah, this could be worse, but if possible,
Speaker 7: I'm going to get get my job done.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So, I don't know, just coming from normal like people
Speaker 7: that were there, like, oh, you wanted to still do this, sorry,
Speaker 7: let's make it happen.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm so glad that it wasn't mentioned on Boy
Speaker 3: Meets World at all. We had you there because you
Speaker 3: were an a phenomenal Olympic ice skater, and it was
Speaker 3: just not that was not a part of the story.
Speaker 3: It had nothing to do with that. And uh, it's
Speaker 3: one of the things that I think makes all of
Speaker 3: us so proud of so many different elements of Boy
Speaker 3: Meets World is that we really did those.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was a ton of fun.
Speaker 1: And by the way, we're not even gonna get into it,
Speaker 1: but you did get your job done, and that's a
Speaker 1: whole nother story. You absolutely got your job done. That's
Speaker 1: a whole different thing.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 1: I do want to tell one story of me putting
Speaker 1: my foot in my mouth.
Speaker 3: And yes, please, I love these. I love it mouth stories.
Speaker 1: Oh man, As I said to Danielle, open open mouth,
Speaker 1: insert skate. So we were sitting there and we were talking,
Speaker 1: you know, in between shooting. We were both bundled up
Speaker 1: with with blankets and everything we could possibly have, and
Speaker 1: and we were just talking. We're just having a nice
Speaker 1: conversation and you said something where it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got to right after this, I've got to go
Speaker 1: to rehab for for your leg. You know, you were
Speaker 1: you were going to be doing something, but I didn't
Speaker 1: know what you were talking about.
Speaker 2: You said, yeah, I've got to go, and I went,
Speaker 2: really for what?
Speaker 1: Just not just we're having a normal conversation. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got to go, you know, a therapy. I just
Speaker 1: said I've got to go at therapy And I went
Speaker 1: really for what? And you looked them and you went yeah,
Speaker 1: but you did you at that, you know, you know
Speaker 1: the thing with my leg and that. By that point
Speaker 1: I was like uh and I went, oh, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: how's that going? And luckily by that point they went
Speaker 1: all right, we need you guys back in the set.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh thank god, Like I just oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: Say things like even recently someone said.
Speaker 7: Something to me and then they're like, oh, that's not
Speaker 7: funny to you, probably right, like and I'm like, well,
Speaker 7: you know, you have to appreciate the innocence of like oh, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, does anyone ever say to you before you go
Speaker 3: out for a performance break a leg?
Speaker 6: Yeah? You know what.
Speaker 7: Christya Magucci and I've been, for instance, like I was fifteen,
Speaker 7: she was thirteen. And what's really funny is that she
Speaker 7: said it while I was doing Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 7: She was like, oh Nancy, and she had her daughters
Speaker 7: like hold up a sign, break a leg. People are
Speaker 7: all over her like what are you doing?
Speaker 6: Why are you I'm like, oh, seriously, it's good luck.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 6: It's not She didn't mean any harm by Yeah. I'm like, Chris,
Speaker 6: don't worry about this.
Speaker 3: And like you said, for you, it's so long ago
Speaker 3: now it almost feels like a different person. I'm sure
Speaker 3: for Christy who's known you, yeah, it's yeah exactly. She
Speaker 3: she meant it with just the purest of intentions, the
Speaker 3: way we all say break a leg before a performance,
Speaker 3: and yet of course that it didn't come across that
Speaker 3: way to other people.
Speaker 6: The ballerinas say mad, all right.
Speaker 2: Shit in French?
Speaker 6: I found out why why right? Like it's something No,
Speaker 6: it's when.
Speaker 7: Years and years ago when the ballet would come, they
Speaker 7: were so excited when there would be lots of this
Speaker 7: on the ground because that means they were to have
Speaker 7: a big audience because there was lots of horse drawn
Speaker 7: carriages and lots of horses there, and so they were
Speaker 7: going to have a great audience. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love hearing industry stuff that you don't know about.
Speaker 4: The more the better the audience.
Speaker 5: Well, i'd actually heard there's multiple theories about break a
Speaker 5: leg too, because I've also heard that it's about if
Speaker 5: if you had to do if you were going to
Speaker 5: do a second encore, a second curtain call, the lead
Speaker 5: actor would break their leg, meaning that they would tuck
Speaker 5: their leg behind their other leg to indicate to all
Speaker 5: the other actors on stage, we're going to come back
Speaker 5: out do another bow.
Speaker 4: So if the.
Speaker 5: Audience was really enjoying the show, the lead actor would
Speaker 5: break their legs and then everybody would know that it
Speaker 5: went well that night. But there's also alternate theories. But
Speaker 5: that's that's the one I've heard. I'm like, I like
Speaker 5: that one.
Speaker 7: That's too because I heard it was like the wings
Speaker 7: on the side of the stage and they were like
Speaker 7: breaking it, like don't get on stage, basically breaking.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: The one I heard is John Wilkes booth jumping.
Speaker 1: When Wilkes Booth jumps off after he shoots Lincoln, he
Speaker 1: jumps off on the stage and he broke his leg.
Speaker 2: It doesn't predate that, really, no, I don't believe.
Speaker 1: So it was it was started in the eighteen sixties,
Speaker 1: is what I Again, I could be complete.
Speaker 3: So he broke his leg, and then why would we
Speaker 3: say that to.
Speaker 1: Wish them because the show it was there was a
Speaker 1: whole theory about it. It was like the show which
Speaker 1: was our American cousin at the time at Ford's Theatre
Speaker 1: was going very well, and so it is it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the it's kind of saying the opposite. It's
Speaker 1: it's wishing you good luck by wishing bad luck. And
Speaker 1: then there's this whole breakdown of it came out. It
Speaker 1: was very strange I have my favorite discuss.
Speaker 5: I did a play in Australia and they say chuck
Speaker 5: us before you go on stage, which means, I hope
Speaker 5: you win a chicken, because in the old Australian tradition
Speaker 5: they would tour around Australia and if you did well,
Speaker 5: the town that you came to would provide you with
Speaker 5: chicken so the actors could eat that night.
Speaker 4: So it's just such like an old chuck as I
Speaker 4: love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of brilliant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Nancy, we are honestly just so grateful that
Speaker 3: you came here and did this little conversation with us,
Speaker 3: but also more importantly, we are so proud to have
Speaker 3: you in the lexicon of incredible Boy Meets World guest stars.
Speaker 3: You are just incredibly classy and we just admire you
Speaker 3: so much and are so thankful that you spent your
Speaker 3: spent any of your time not only here with us
Speaker 3: today but doing Boy Meets World. And one of the
Speaker 3: things we've talked about is that we are trying to
Speaker 3: invent a time machine and master time travel so that
Speaker 3: we could go back and do things that didn't get
Speaker 3: to do then, and one of them is I'd like
Speaker 3: to have you on the set of Boy Meets World
Speaker 3: out of Lake Placid? Have you on set with us
Speaker 3: spending time with all of us?
Speaker 6: I think for ever a reboot or something, Yep, call me,
Speaker 6: I'll I'd love to do it.
Speaker 7: And I just want to say before we go, it
Speaker 7: sounds like we're getting to the end there. But there
Speaker 7: was I did a show the other night in Boston
Speaker 7: and there was a woman that came up to me.
Speaker 7: She was like, they mentioned you on the podcast The
Speaker 7: Boyman's World podcasting a couple months ago, and I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 7: I'm doing it Tuesday, and she's like, what really from Boston,
Speaker 7: Like they've changed my life.
Speaker 6: So you guys have changed people's lives for the better.
Speaker 7: And Jen in Boston was like thrilled that I was
Speaker 7: going to be part of it, and she's like a
Speaker 7: huge fan, and so I'm.
Speaker 3: Just that is so nice.
Speaker 2: Was awesome.
Speaker 6: It was it was random. She had no idea it
Speaker 6: was going to be on.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we've kept we've kept you a secret.
Speaker 2: I have I have one quote, have a couple questions.
Speaker 1: The first is very briefly, if we manage to go
Speaker 1: to Boston, will you come out and hang out with us.
Speaker 2: Of course, we'd love to see you in person. That's great.
Speaker 1: Second, unfortunately, we are nowhere near actually inventing the time
Speaker 1: travel machine. I know, it's really just still in the
Speaker 1: design phases at this at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a Google doc going.
Speaker 1: It's working, it's not going well. Third, and very briefly,
Speaker 1: because you mentioned this at the beginning, if you marry
Speaker 1: your agent, do they still get ten percent?
Speaker 6: Well, but I get it all back anyway.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's what I'm Okay, I'm just curious how
Speaker 1: I was curious how that was working.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Will.
Speaker 3: Thinking about marrying his agent.
Speaker 4: Now he's like, what did I do wrong?
Speaker 6: He's super nice.
Speaker 2: He treats me well. I could do a lot worse.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a tough conversation with
Speaker 2: my wife.
Speaker 3: But for ten percent, technically would be fifty percent of
Speaker 3: the ten percent.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you're right. I got to do the math.
Speaker 2: It's never good with me.
Speaker 3: Oh my, Nancy, thank you so much for being here
Speaker 3: with us. And we are actually going to hit you
Speaker 3: up about that Boston situation. We're gonna we're gonna we'd
Speaker 3: like to do a face to face reunion.
Speaker 6: That would be fun. I'd love it.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 7: Thanks guys, it was an honor to be part of
Speaker 7: the show and to in the podcast as well with
Speaker 7: all of you.
Speaker 6: It was fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Lit again was Seriously, I've said
Speaker 1: it before and I'll say it again. It was one
Speaker 1: of my favorite memories of Boy Metrol that always will be.
Speaker 1: It was such a magical day for me. So thank
Speaker 1: you for making it so cool.
Speaker 2: It really was. It really was a ton of fun.
Speaker 3: Thank you, bye, Thanks bye, oh Man, so classy and inspiring.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna take.
Speaker 1: Anything away from Aksana Bayule, obviously, but Nancy Carrigan won
Speaker 1: that Olympics.
Speaker 2: She won the gold medal med Olympics.
Speaker 1: She I'm sorry, and again Axana trains in the town
Speaker 1: next to where I grew up in Connecticut, So certainly
Speaker 1: not trying to take anything away from her, but with
Speaker 1: not only with everything she came she went through, but
Speaker 1: when you actually watch I know a little bit about skating.
Speaker 2: I dated a skater for a while and.
Speaker 3: Got was she the actress who played the skater on
Speaker 3: Boy Meets World? Because no, she was dated everyone.
Speaker 6: She was.
Speaker 1: She was the in h double hockey stick. She was
Speaker 1: the stand in skater for the actual skater.
Speaker 4: There skater and we dated for years.
Speaker 1: Her name was Quila and we dated for years, and
Speaker 1: she was was picked to be the Canadian national figure
Speaker 1: skating champion and then got mono the year she everyone
Speaker 1: thought she was Yeah, so, but she was in this
Speaker 1: world for a long time.
Speaker 2: It's a very.
Speaker 3: Difficult would you give her mono?
Speaker 2: I didn't. This was before me.
Speaker 3: Thanks, okay, all right, But she.
Speaker 1: Showed me a bit about this world, so I, you know,
Speaker 1: got into it and watched a little bit of it.
Speaker 2: And when you watch Nancy Kerrigan's program forgetting even everything
Speaker 2: she went through to get there.
Speaker 1: She won that Olympics, so it's that they you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of theories as to why she actually
Speaker 1: was given the silver instead of the gold, and then
Speaker 1: there's very little spoken about how she handled that entire
Speaker 1: situation because she handled it like an actual ampion, where
Speaker 1: she's like, Nope, not going to talk about it, not
Speaker 1: going to mention it, not going to do press conference,
Speaker 1: is not going to do any of there still does
Speaker 1: It's going to rehab and skate.
Speaker 2: That is my job.
Speaker 5: And she have been thinking about what you know what
Speaker 5: Danielle's first question to her about the situation, you know,
Speaker 5: the difference between the nineties and now, and you know,
Speaker 5: I it's hard to like remember the nineties, like the
Speaker 5: early nineties and then all the way up through the
Speaker 5: oughts where that tabloid time, like it's a different it
Speaker 5: was a different press mentality where there would be literally
Speaker 5: one story, whether it's Monica Lewinsky, Princess Diana or you know, whatever,
Speaker 5: there would be and like usually the more frivolous and petty,
Speaker 5: the bigger it would become. And it would just become
Speaker 5: this fever over the nation for.
Speaker 3: Like months, Yeah, and anybody would talk.
Speaker 5: About and then and it was like, and you know,
Speaker 5: it's just that we've talked about this before, but that monoculture,
Speaker 5: it was like it almost becomes it's it's becomes a
Speaker 5: self perpetuating cycle because it's like the only way you
Speaker 5: the only thing people like, only thing comedians can reference
Speaker 5: in their stand up, The only thing like SNL can
Speaker 5: do bits about. The only thing that like if you
Speaker 5: meet a stranger in the street you can sort of
Speaker 5: have in common is.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, how do you feel about Nancy Kerrigan and
Speaker 4: Tanya Hart it's like who gives a crap?
Speaker 5: You know, at a certain point, like you hear about
Speaker 5: the actual attack, you hear about okay, criminal charges or whatever.
Speaker 5: Maybe that's like wow. But for it to like grip
Speaker 5: a nation and become this like soap opera, it's just
Speaker 5: it's and I don't think that that would happen the
Speaker 5: same way today. I don't think because I feel like,
Speaker 5: you know, these kinds of stories would they might crop up,
Speaker 5: but then hopefully now we're more sensitive to the to
Speaker 5: the multiplicity of sides, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like at the time, you know, all narratives.
Speaker 5: Really I feel like the narratives back then would be
Speaker 5: really easily compartmentalized into good guy, bad guy or good girl,
Speaker 5: bad girl, villain hero, and like I feel like that's
Speaker 5: more like nowadays things are much quickly, much quicker to
Speaker 5: be reassessed for better or worse, you know, because then
Speaker 5: everybody has an opinion, and then everybody has a side,
Speaker 5: and so everything sort of loses meaning half the time.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing.
Speaker 1: We're also we as a society now have we have
Speaker 1: no patience and we have no staying power. So twenty
Speaker 1: four to forty eight hour cycle and you move on
Speaker 1: to the next story. That's I don't think it has
Speaker 1: anything to do with reevaluating the sides. I think it's
Speaker 1: just what's next, what's next, what's next? Nobody can wait
Speaker 1: for anything. We need to be barraged with as much
Speaker 1: imagery and horribleness as we possibly can, and it becomes
Speaker 1: all encompassing. It's like two days now was two months
Speaker 1: back in the nineties. Because you know, the thing about
Speaker 1: the tiny hearting Nancy Kerrigan thing is when you when
Speaker 1: you watch the whole story, it was pretty gripping because
Speaker 1: when they, you know, actually had to go to the Olympics,
Speaker 1: they had to practice on the same ice.
Speaker 2: They were there at the same time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know.
Speaker 1: Tanya is Tanya Harding is is about to be kicked
Speaker 1: off the team.
Speaker 2: They don't know if she's even going to make it
Speaker 2: to the Olympics.
Speaker 1: She's under the chances are she's going to be, you know,
Speaker 1: indicted for attacking a fellow skater or having people attack
Speaker 1: or whether she knows about it, whether she doesn't.
Speaker 2: But people can speculate all they want.
Speaker 1: But then you've got Nancy Carrigan, who was America's sweetheart
Speaker 1: and they've got to skate around each other with an
Speaker 1: audience even just to practice. I think even now that
Speaker 1: would be pretty grippulo.
Speaker 5: See nowadays those But see nowadays, everybody involved with it
Speaker 5: would have instant access to basically publish their opinions or
Speaker 5: publish their own point of view, whereas back then it
Speaker 5: was always filtered by you know, Ruper Murdoch or whoever
Speaker 5: was running the tabloids, you know, who could sort of
Speaker 5: control the narrative, whereas like now, like Nancy Carigan would
Speaker 5: be able to tweet, would be able to put on Instagram.
Speaker 5: Everybody would be able to publish their own thoughts and
Speaker 5: their own for better or worse. I'm I'm just saying
Speaker 5: it's different. It's very different. Yeah, And I think part
Speaker 5: of that difference is that that hopefully people are empowered
Speaker 5: to at least express themselves, Like you know, Nancy Carigan
Speaker 5: would have able to say at the time, I'm just
Speaker 5: going to skate, like you know, some sort of version
Speaker 5: of like presenting that classiness that you pointed out, Like,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: Maybe that would have been better.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know who it's you know, I wonder
Speaker 1: anyone would have said anything. I don't think, I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like she wants she would have, But
Speaker 1: you know, the flip side is what she also pointed
Speaker 1: out was that people tag her when they dress their
Speaker 1: kids up, like.
Speaker 3: Well, I think what what gets lost so much?
Speaker 6: Is that?
Speaker 3: Like what we talked about with her, this was probably
Speaker 3: the most one of the most traumatic things that had
Speaker 3: ever happened to her up until that point in her life.
Speaker 3: And to even then, what she mentioned that I hadn't
Speaker 3: even really ever thought of, is even just gaining the
Speaker 3: confidence to go back out in front of a group
Speaker 3: of people and do what you had been had been
Speaker 3: doing your entire life, not knowing how has it changed?
Speaker 4: How?
Speaker 3: How what is the perception of me now? What will
Speaker 3: the response be? Will they clap? Will they like? I
Speaker 3: don't think anybody could really even fathom how difficult that
Speaker 3: was for her, and she had to just bury her
Speaker 3: head in the sand. I mean, it would have been
Speaker 3: impossible for her to block out that noise. And now, still,
Speaker 3: like she said, thirty years later, she still can't really
Speaker 3: block it out because she gets tagged in things and
Speaker 3: people bring it up. So yeah, I mean, it really is.
Speaker 3: It's very interesting, you know, I really I don't know
Speaker 3: how it would be different. I know it would be
Speaker 3: different now if it were to happen again. But it's
Speaker 3: truly remarkable what she, you know, went through and what
Speaker 3: she's accomplished in her life, and you know, then she
Speaker 3: was on Boymet's world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just it sucks a little bit that with all
Speaker 1: all of her accomplishments, one of the things she's going
Speaker 1: to be remembered for is something that was done to her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she had nothing to do with it was done
Speaker 2: to her.
Speaker 1: And it's like, man, I just worked my ass off
Speaker 1: for twenty years to do this.
Speaker 3: And my hope is, like she mentioned that there was
Speaker 3: a lot of positives that still came out of it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that people who may have never known anything about ice skating.
Speaker 3: Who's maybe and you know intro to ice skating? Is
Speaker 3: what tell me about this attack? And then and who
Speaker 3: did it happen to? And what is she famous for?
Speaker 3: Let me look up a video of her and then
Speaker 3: you you know the So one hopes that the ripple
Speaker 3: effect becomes an education about who she is as a whole,
Speaker 3: instead of this one part of her life that she
Speaker 3: had no control over that was you know, traumatic for her,
Speaker 3: But I love that she.
Speaker 1: Was a Boy Meets World fan. I know love that
Speaker 1: she was a Boy meets World fan. And I've seen
Speaker 1: Girl Meets World two. I think that's really cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is cool. Well, thank you for joining us
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