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Speaker 1: And what's so, guys.

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Speaker 2: This is Dante Hall akad X Factor, aka the Human Joystick,

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Speaker 2: And this is the NFL Report. Yes, we are here

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Speaker 2: at the NFL Report. We know who is going to

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Speaker 2: be in the Super Bowl. James Palmer, it will be

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs, it will be the forty nine ers. And

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Speaker 2: we have a loaded show today. We have Omar Ruiz,

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Speaker 2: who will be at the Niners facility. He was at

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Speaker 2: the NFC Championship. Sherry Burris, who was with you in

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Speaker 2: Baltimore for the AFC Championship. She'll be here Mark Ross

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Speaker 2: talking to some big picture stuff. But before we get

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Speaker 2: to any of that, JP, you had the viral moment

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Speaker 2: of the weekend. Let's take a look at this video.

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Speaker 2: And then you were gonna tell us all the deats

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Speaker 3: Yes, Steve, this was pregame here at M and T

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Speaker 3: Bank Stadium. And listen, this is Travis Kelcey telling maybe

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Speaker 3: the greatest kicker of all time, justin Tucker, I don't

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Speaker 3: want you to be one up around my quarterback Patrick Mahomes. Now,

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Speaker 3: some people say that this was playful. I was there

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Speaker 3: to witness this, and I talked to a number of

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Speaker 3: people afterwards that were involved. There was nothing playful about this.

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey was lit Steve. He was angry at Justin Tucker.

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Speaker 3: Same with Patrick Mahomes. Him and Tucker actually had words.

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Speaker 3: And this is what I was told by people that

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Speaker 3: have played on other teams that have faced the Ravens

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Speaker 3: this year. Tucker does this to get under the skin,

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Speaker 3: warming up in the end zone of the opposing team

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Speaker 3: and then warming up in their way in a sense,

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Speaker 3: to play maybe a head game, I was told. I

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Speaker 3: was told Steve, they asked him to move and to

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Speaker 3: just be a you know what, Justin Tucker moved his

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Speaker 3: ball over quote one inch to the left. That was it,

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Speaker 3: and that set this team off even further. And I

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Speaker 3: was told in the Chiefs postgame locker room they poked

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Speaker 3: the bear pregame and we knew he had an advantage

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Speaker 3: prior to the start of this game. It was it

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Speaker 3: was something to see.

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Speaker 4: Who knew.

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Speaker 2: Everyone thought there was some playful little stuff here, but

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Speaker 2: Justin Tucker played the goon and poked the bear.

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Speaker 4: Jp'na. We're gonna talk about more about that later. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna get to the ANFC Championship later.

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Speaker 2: But let's get to this NFC Championship game that we

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Speaker 2: saw in the evening game. And let's get to the

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Speaker 2: bigger news segment of the forty nine ers victory. Was

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Speaker 2: it really a rally for the forty nine ers JP

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Speaker 2: or was it a lion's epic collapse.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it was a rally, and I'm saying

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Speaker 3: this is the bigger news because we saw two things happen. One,

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Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan was able to get over the hump in

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Speaker 3: terms of everybody bringing up these fourth quarter stats.

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Speaker 1: He's now done it two weeks in a row.

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Speaker 3: It was what oh to thirty in his career going

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Speaker 3: into the fourth quarter down seven, at least he was

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Speaker 3: one and thirty after last week, they go and do

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Speaker 3: this this week, coming back and scoring twenty seven unanswered.

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Speaker 3: The second part of it is that man, right there,

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Speaker 3: brock Perdy really just eliminating in an NFC Championship game

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Speaker 3: in his second NFL season. Steve, I am not a

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Speaker 3: game manager. I remember going back to his rookie year

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Speaker 3: having a lengthy conversation with Kyle Uschek, who told me,

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Speaker 3: this is a better athlete than people think, This is

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Speaker 3: a better competitor than people think.

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Speaker 1: And you saw both of those things happen in this

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Let's just say it. He won this game,

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Speaker 1: Steve with his legs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, multiple times he saw his first read maybe second

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Speaker 3: told me he is faster and more athletic than people think.

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Speaker 3: It's probably another one of those things to where people

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Speaker 3: are just assuming, they're assuming he's the game manager until

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Speaker 3: they play against him, Uschek told me, And then you

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Speaker 3: realize he's a little more elusive, a little bit quicker,

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Speaker 3: and his mind is so good. He plays angles, he

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Speaker 3: to another level one hundred and forty quarterback rating in

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Speaker 3: And I think that's your guy, Steve H.

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Speaker 2: I feel so much better today about my guy, the

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Speaker 2: real MVP, Real MVP rock Perty. Let's recast the vote

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Speaker 2: the real MVP.

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Speaker 4: Look, here's here's why. I mean.

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Speaker 2: As great as Rock Party was in as many points

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Speaker 2: as the Niners were able to rally from behind, they

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Speaker 2: did it JP because of their defense. They denied the

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Speaker 2: the way that they played and look at some of this.

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Speaker 2: In the first half, we saw Detroit rush for one

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Speaker 2: Tayshawn Gibson stripping the ball from Jamior Gibbs who does

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Speaker 2: not fumble up deep in Alliance territory, which set up

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Speaker 2: the touchdown for CMC to tie this game. It was

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Speaker 2: the defense to me that really rallied to get the

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Speaker 1: I love that. See, we have to real quick.

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Speaker 3: Let's I want your take on the Lion's side of

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Speaker 3: things before we move on to the AFC Championship game.

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Speaker 3: What did you think about what transpired in the second half.

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Speaker 3: Obviously everybody's talking about the two fourth down that were

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Speaker 3: not converted by Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was annoyed by the second one.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they played it safe to position

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Speaker 2: themselves to remain in field goal position, right Jared Goff

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Speaker 2: on the third down, check it down underneath it was

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Speaker 2: like fourth and four, very manageable field goal distance. And

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Speaker 2: that's where you have to get the points to try

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Speaker 2: it because your team is reeling. I mean, that stadium

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Speaker 2: level the playing field, you get it to twenty seven

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Speaker 2: at zero's. It is a new start. But you know,

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Speaker 2: here's the other thing we could complain about the Dan

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Speaker 2: the ball that brock perty through, that bombsed off the

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Speaker 2: Omar Ruiz about this later. That you know that cheange

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Speaker 2: is the game, there's a couple of things that players

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Speaker 2: not trying that field goal, make a couple of plays

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Speaker 2: and't you wouldn't be in that situation.

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Speaker 1: You're exactly right, Steve.

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Speaker 3: If Reynolds catches the first fourth down attempt, they're probably

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Speaker 3: the first and maybe we're looking at Dan Campbell completely different.

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Speaker 1: On this day. We overanalyze everything.

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Speaker 3: And then the second part is they went an NFL

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Speaker 3: two or three yards over the last two seasons. Heading

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Speaker 3: into this game, they had a seventy percent completion or

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Speaker 3: it's about a seventy three percent chance you're gonna convert

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Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of faith in their kicker.

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Speaker 3: It's almost a wash, and you stick with maybe what

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Speaker 3: you've been doing over the last two seasons. I'm not

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Speaker 3: upset with Dan Campbell really when I look at the

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Speaker 3: analytics of it, Steve, I really am not.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this is a dupe team are scared of.

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Speaker 3: The scared of the elements out there. Maybe at Levi

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Speaker 3: don't I don't know. Let's get to the AFC Title

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Speaker 3: Game and I had a chance to catch up with

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Speaker 3: the man who's just building a legacy that is unlike

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Speaker 3: any other. Patrick Mahomes after he won in his sixth

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Speaker 3: attempt at the AFC Championship Game, I was told by

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Speaker 3: multiple people in your building, you or a man possessed

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Speaker 1: What is it like going to win this game on

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Speaker 5: No, it was.

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Speaker 6: It was unreal.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's a great football team every single aspect,

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Speaker 5: and our guy stepped up to the challenge. A fun year,

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Speaker 5: I mean, a lot of adversity we've battled through. We're

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Speaker 5: win that thing.

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Speaker 3: You've been through a lot this year, but it was

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Speaker 3: old Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes today.

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Speaker 1: What works so well between the two years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah no, I mean I know he's gonna show up.

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Speaker 3: He always does.

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Speaker 5: When the light skined brighter, he plays better. So I'm

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Speaker 1: Went on one matchups and he make plays happen. All right,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you Brough, good job talking to Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 2: who's going to his fourth super Bowl in the past

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Speaker 2: five years.

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Speaker 4: JP. That's insane, So bigger news.

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Speaker 2: Let's get here, the Kansas City Chiefs doing what they

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Speaker 2: do and getting to the super Bowl, or the Baltimore

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Speaker 2: Ravens blowing this opportunity being the top seed.

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Speaker 3: Steve, It's the Kansas City Chiefs because what Patrick Mahoons

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Speaker 3: is doing is he is joining rarefied air.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 3: He is putting himself in the Tom Brady conversation as

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Speaker 3: the greatest of all time and.

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Speaker 1: He's twenty eight years old.

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Speaker 3: I think that's why this is a bigger deal because

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Speaker 3: he is doing something we just have never seen before

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Speaker 3: outside of Tom Brady. And what we saw was a season,

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Speaker 3: as you heard him say there, it didn't go the

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Speaker 3: I'm making that comparison because how many times did we

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Speaker 3: hear during the regular season this Patriots team just isn't it,

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Speaker 3: This isn't it. And then once again the postseason hits

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Speaker 3: and there goes Brady, there goes Gronk, there goes that group,

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Speaker 3: and now once again, here goes Patrick Mahomes, Here goes

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey. I had a chance to stand there right

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Speaker 3: next to Jason and Travis Kelcey as they embraced and

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Speaker 3: Travis got emotional Steve on the field, as Jason told him,

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Speaker 3: I know how hard this year was for you.

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Speaker 1: I know how much of a battle it was for you.

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Speaker 3: Because if you ask anyone in the NFL, Travis Kelcey

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Speaker 3: has lost a step at thirty four. He is not

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Speaker 3: getting open as frequently as he does in the past.

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Speaker 3: He is a surefire Hall of Famer. But what have

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Speaker 3: we seen these last three games? It has been Travis

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Speaker 3: kelce of old. He has dug deep. The competitive nature

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Speaker 3: a super Bowl is the bigger news.

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Speaker 4: Yea, Look and look, let's get some credits to that defense.

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Speaker 4: I mean, hell, the Ravens are ten points, stone.

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Speaker 2: Cold Jawings and George car Laftis were insane, and Lagerius

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Speaker 2: Sneed remains the best player that we continue not to

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is one and done. You have to play.

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Speaker 4: If you want to believe play of this.

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Speaker 2: But the fact that the Baltimore Ravens, and we're gonna

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Speaker 4: Showed to be the man. You gotta beat the man,

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Speaker 2: We're left with the Ravens not being the man and

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Speaker 4: So a blown opportunity. JP, Hey, JP, you know what.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk a little bit more about the real

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Speaker 4: Omar Ruiz he is still in Santa Clara as go

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Speaker 4: big party. He isn't irrelevant anymore.

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Speaker 6: Play after play after play in the second half.

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Speaker 4: You delivered with your arm, you delivered with your legs.

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Speaker 7: How would you describe what happened there?

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Speaker 8: And they come back man down seventeen and a half. Uh,

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Speaker 8: you know, our whole team is just you gotta find

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Speaker 1: That's our own.

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Speaker 3: Omar Ruiz with Brock Purty, Steve's MVP of the season,

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Speaker 3: and now Omar joins us still in Santa Clara. He's

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Speaker 3: we have to start with the man, Steve's guy right there,

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Speaker 3: Brock party right out of the jump. Outside of what

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Speaker 3: we just saw there, what did we hear from his teammates,

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it matched the conviction that they have

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Speaker 7: he can ad lib plays and make the off scripted plays,

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Speaker 7: and he did it on the biggest stage that he

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Speaker 7: did it when they were down twenty four to seven

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Speaker 7: and help lead this forty nine Er comeback.

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Speaker 1: Now, the forty nine.

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Speaker 7: in this way after that subpart performance against the Packers,

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Speaker 7: to deliver again with his legs those two twenty one

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Speaker 7: to Brandon Ayuk. Sometimes you have to get good bounces.

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Speaker 7: Sometimes you create your own good fortune. The forty nine

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Speaker 1: They're leading that comeback. Ye Omar.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of talking about some quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: I mean Ben Roethlisberger, and I'm not comparing party to

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Speaker 2: And that's what Rock Party has done two straight weeks. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you just talked about that deflected pass that Party threw

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Speaker 4: Wilmar, What was the.

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Speaker 2: Discussion in the Niners locker room about that play and

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Speaker 7: It was all about the momentum that they took from

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Speaker 1: Tide with that IU play. What else turned the tide?

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Speaker 7: How about that defense coming with the physicality, the aggressiveness.

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Speaker 7: was nothing miraculous. He said, they played a little bit

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Speaker 7: And I even asked Fred Warner because they knew coming

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Speaker 7: They were saying that they were going to have to

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Speaker 1: So it was just a subtle little thing that I heard.

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Speaker 7: So they knew that Detroit was going to come in

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Speaker 7: Getting back to the conversation with Fred Warner, he said,

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Speaker 7: Everybody has to finish at the football. And so that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're talking about it ollmore with that defensive line.

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Speaker 3: Let's just talk about where those guys were drafted, what

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Speaker 3: Physicality aspect of it that you brought up, because what

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Speaker 7: Well, that's the hallmark of the Kyle Shanahan offense, the

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Speaker 7: But I think, you know, when they're down seventeen points

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Speaker 1: And not to abandon what got them here.

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Speaker 7: And I think it speaks to what they've said all

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Speaker 1: And that's what we saw.

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Speaker 7: Brock Prudy was the difference maker there in the second

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Speaker 2: Quickly, Omar, were there people in the niners locker room

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Speaker 7: If you guys remember last yeah, last week against green Bay,

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Speaker 7: and really ship the dynamics of the game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Omar, the second one, Steve Wilkes Jared Goff thinks

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Speaker 3: they're in man and then changes it up when he

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Speaker 3: starts rolling out and they drop it into his zone

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Speaker 3: and there was just no place to go with the football.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: It was just a brilliant call in ate, a late

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Speaker 3: adjustment right by a lot of those guys. It was

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Speaker 3: part of his unit with the San Francisco forty nine ers,

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Speaker 3: A great, great wrinkle there at a key, key moment.

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Speaker 1: Omar, you saw a brilliant one.

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Speaker 3: Finally get home to that family, you know, leave Santa

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Speaker 3: Clara at some jabo today.

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Speaker 1: Please, Okay, good to see it. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to get home. Rest up. I'll see

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Speaker 1: you guys in Vegas. Sounds good, buddy, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: You know who's going to be in Vegas, the Kansas

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Speaker 3: City Chiefs. You know who won't be the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 3: This was a shippy one back and forth between these

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Speaker 3: two teams. Crowd didn't like that call, I don't know why,

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Speaker 3: which was completely insane. Sherry Burris joins us next to

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Speaker 3: talk about what's next for the loser of the AFC

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Speaker 3: Championship Game, the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 1: More on the NFL Report.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the NFL Report.

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Speaker 3: The Kansas City Chiefs heading to the Super Bowl for

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Speaker 3: the fourth time in five seasons, this time in the

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Speaker 3: AFC Championship Game. They do it on the road against

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Speaker 3: the team and that many around the country believe was

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Speaker 3: the best team in the NFL. And they slowed down

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Speaker 3: the perennium potentially MVP Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: And that was done by safety Justin Reid. Here he

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Speaker 1: is with Sherry Burris.

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Speaker 9: It's never easy. It took a team effort. We caught hard,

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Speaker 9: tooth and nail. Nobody gave us a chance born half

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Speaker 9: point underdogs, but we got all we need, not locked room,

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Speaker 9: and we believe in each other. We believe in the coaches.

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Speaker 9: The coaches believe in us, and we go out there

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Speaker 9: and scute the way that we escute today, We're gonna

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Speaker 9: be a hard turn to be.

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Speaker 4: So we excited about the opportunity.

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Speaker 10: Just what is the limit for you guys, as you

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Speaker 10: do have one more game left this season?

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Speaker 9: I think we could keep stacking it. We know what

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Speaker 9: the prize is, you know what the ultimate goal is.

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Speaker 9: Are we gonna go chase it with everything in our soul?

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Speaker 9: We all want it so bad we're gonna go.

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Speaker 1: Back to bed now. He made up these shirts justin

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Speaker 1: Reid and Spags. We trust.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing, Steve Spags did not like

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Speaker 3: the shirts. You sound them rather embarrassing, But if you

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Speaker 3: know Steve Spagnola, that's.

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Speaker 1: Par for the course. But his players and his defense

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Speaker 1: absolutely think the world of their defensive coordinator and he

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Speaker 1: had another brilliant game plan once again in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah absolutely, I mean they shut down that Ravens offense.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of the Ravens, are bringing in our own

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Speaker 2: Sherry Burr. Sherry, great job with that interview, Great job

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Speaker 2: all week, and you have been with the Ravens for

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Speaker 2: much of this season. They were the most dominant team

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Speaker 2: in the NFL. But Lamar Jackson did not change the narrative.

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Speaker 4: He is not going to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: What is being said about his inability if you will,

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Speaker 2: to elevate his team the way that Patrick Mahomes did.

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Speaker 10: It's a pregame yesterday and he was saying that you

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Speaker 10: can build a legacy. There will be a legacy making

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Speaker 10: play in this game. And he said, never count out

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Speaker 10: Patrick Mahomes, but the same rate, never count out Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 10: But his point was if Lamar Jackson could go in

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Speaker 10: there and beat Patrick Mahomes, beat this Kansas City defense,

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Speaker 10: this Kansas City dynasty, even at that, that would take

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Speaker 10: Lamar to the next level. But again we saw them

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Speaker 10: fall short and James, we were sitting there next to

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Speaker 10: each other in the press box just kind of scratching

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Speaker 10: our heads at what this Ravens offense was doing, Like

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Speaker 10: it didn't seem like they were really clicking on all

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Speaker 10: cylinders like we were used to seeing my notes, I

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Speaker 10: literally wrote halftime observations looking like expected but offense not

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Speaker 10: finding their rhythm. And even after the game, Lamar said,

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Speaker 10: you know they're frustrated, but this was I think an

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Speaker 10: important step in the fact that they do obviously have

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Speaker 10: plans and aspirations to make to a Super Bowl, they

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Speaker 10: still need that experience to kind of get over that hump.

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Speaker 10: Zay Flowers, you know, a big key of this. Also,

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Speaker 10: he was such a big piece offensively, and I know

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Speaker 10: there's a now, you know, a knock on them for

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Speaker 10: that play at the goal line, also that taunting penalty.

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Speaker 10: But like a man as a rookie, he stood up

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Speaker 10: in front of the media in that locker room addressing us,

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Speaker 10: which in a moment I'd have to assume is the

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Speaker 10: hardest moment in his football career. And he just talked

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Speaker 10: about the brotherhood in this locker room, not just for himself,

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Speaker 10: but everyone being able to keep themselves I think optimistic

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Speaker 10: and positive despite falling so short of getting to such

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Speaker 10: a big game and their goals of making it back

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Speaker 10: to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Jery, we're seeing the play right here of Lagarius Need,

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Speaker 3: one of the best corners in all of football, punching

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Speaker 3: that football out prior to the goal line from Zay Flowers.

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned the taunting called Joe Burrow by the way, says,

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Speaker 3: let them taunt. I want to see everybody taunt everybody,

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Speaker 3: which was great by Joe Cool out there on the

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Speaker 3: Twitter world. But that play in particular, what did John

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Speaker 3: Harbaugh company have to say about him? Because this is

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Speaker 3: a rookie that has played at a remarkable level. But

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Speaker 3: that's the type of play at a goal line that

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Speaker 3: is preached repeatedly throughout a season. What was said about

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Speaker 3: that game changing play from the other side of things,

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Speaker 3: because we've heard it from the chief side.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so head coach John Harbaugh said, we teach them

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Speaker 10: for at the goal line, two hands on the ball

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Speaker 10: if you're going to reach. If we see that play again,

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Speaker 10: that's exactly what Zay did. Two hands on the ball.

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Speaker 10: We see it right here. I think he I'm not

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Speaker 10: mad at Zay for trying. I think it'd be more

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Speaker 10: upsetting if he didn't try to go for the goal line. Personally,

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Speaker 10: I guess hindsight is twenty twenty. But that is exactly

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Speaker 10: as head coach John Harbass said, they teach that play.

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Speaker 10: I'm just saying, this is kind of one of those

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Speaker 10: games where the ball sometimes it just doesn't roll your

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Speaker 10: way or you know what.

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Speaker 11: Hey, the defense they get paid just.

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Speaker 10: Like the offense to go out there and make plays,

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Speaker 10: and that's exactly what we saw happen.

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Speaker 2: Sure, you know, we talked about how dominant the Ravens

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Speaker 2: have been, like how much was a blown opportunity?

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Speaker 4: How much was a blown opportunity?

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Speaker 2: Was this because the saying is and the windows open,

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Speaker 2: you got to run through it and they didn't.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So I don't know if this is just the

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Speaker 10: emotional side and like the human side of it, but

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Speaker 10: being in that locker room after the game, there is

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Speaker 10: nothing more disheartening seeing those men in there hugging each

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Speaker 10: other knowing that this probably was the last time they

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Speaker 10: will ever.

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Speaker 11: Have this team together.

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Speaker 10: So you do feel for them and the fact that

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Speaker 10: they wanted to win the Super Bowl now because of

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Speaker 10: the pieces they had.

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Speaker 11: Now they have so many free agents.

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Speaker 10: We don't even know if defensive cornator Mike McDonald is

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Speaker 10: still going to be their offensive coordinator Todd Bunkin even

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Speaker 10: now this is his first season as OC.

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Speaker 11: They're both getting head coach interviews. So they wanted to.

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Speaker 10: Win now for the urgency, so steep to your point,

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Speaker 10: I mean that was a driving factor, and you know,

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Speaker 10: we don't know if you ever get back to this

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Speaker 10: point again. They hadn't been to the Super Bowl in

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Speaker 10: twelve years. They haven't had an AFC Championship game in

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Speaker 10: Baltimore in fifty three years, So, you know, I think

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Speaker 10: they understand that there was a sense of urgency to

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Speaker 10: get it done now. But like I said, I think

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Speaker 10: there is some optimism looking at the young pieces that

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Speaker 10: they do have.

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Speaker 11: Like we talked about as a Flowers, We're talking about

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Speaker 11: Kyle Hamilton and Roquan Smith.

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Speaker 10: They have a lot of young, really strong pieces, Lamar

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Speaker 10: signing his contract this spring. They feel like they are

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Speaker 10: building towards their ultimate goal, even though they still fell

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Speaker 10: short just yesterday.

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Speaker 3: And sure there are some key for Aden Packrick Queen

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Speaker 3: who plays there right next to Roquand's with Smith justin

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Speaker 3: like a lot of guys on that group, Guno Stone

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Speaker 3: who played a big role in the secondary filling in

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Speaker 3: at times and had a monster season honestly a variety

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Speaker 3: against Gendevion Clowney, some of the Kyle van Noy, the

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Speaker 3: older guys that they brought in to fill certain pieces

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Speaker 3: and make this team work. We know how good this Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Odell's Odell's as well as going to be a free

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Speaker 3: agent OPJ so real quickly, what do you see them

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Speaker 3: doing moving forward, because we know this is a team

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Speaker 3: that is very good in the draft usually year in

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Speaker 3: and year out. Where do you see talking to people

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Speaker 3: in Baltimore? Is maybe a spot they need to take

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Speaker 3: a step up? Is it still receiver even after they

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Speaker 3: maybe took Zay this past year and had six success

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Speaker 3: with the rookie.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think so. But I also I think yes.

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Speaker 10: So to answer your question wide receiver, yes, consider we

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Speaker 10: talked about some of those free agent moves.

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Speaker 11: Some of those guys are more on the veterans side.

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Speaker 10: They could maybe use some that firepower bring in a

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Speaker 10: different kind of juice. But also I think it's interesting, James.

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Speaker 10: I don't know if we talked about this.

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Speaker 11: During the game yesterday, but it seemed like they completely

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Speaker 11: abandoned the run.

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Speaker 10: Now, I'm not gonna question Todd Munkin because he gets

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Speaker 10: paid way.

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Speaker 11: More than I do and knows way more about this

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Speaker 11: game than I do.

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Speaker 10: But I found it so interesting that the number one

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Speaker 10: rush offense really didn't run the ball. So I'm wondering

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Speaker 10: if maybe they need to add some more juice to

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Speaker 10: that position. Obviously, Gus Edwards is their workhorse. Justice Hill

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Speaker 10: has done a really good job in that spot. But

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Speaker 10: you know, once they lost JK. Dobbins, which you know,

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Speaker 10: how can we forget that he was a key piece

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Speaker 10: at he Tore's you know Achilles Earlier this season they

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Speaker 10: kind of filtered in Melvin Gordon there, they brought in

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Speaker 10: Delvin Cook. So I'm wondering if maybe that is the

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Speaker 10: position group besides wide receiver that they could try to

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Speaker 10: maybe bring some oomph to this offense and get Lamar

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Speaker 10: a little bit more help too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I got to watch what happened yesterday

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Speaker 2: in a couple of times this year too, especially with injuries.

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Speaker 2: They have to address their offensive line as well, because

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Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs bold lines of scrimmage yesterday.

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Speaker 4: That was the key to this game.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens had not been handled up front like they

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Speaker 2: were handled by the Chiefs offensive line. Again, with some

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Speaker 2: of the injuries in the age, as you mentioned, JP,

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Speaker 2: that's where we could see some change as well. Sherry,

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Speaker 2: great job, well done. We will see you in Las

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Speaker 2: Vegas for the.

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl coming up next.

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick, it doesn't look like he's gonna get a

661
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Speaker 2: job this year.

662
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Speaker 4: What maybe not next year?

663
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Speaker 6: Is he done?

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Speaker 2: Our Mark Ross is going to talk about Belichick and

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Speaker 2: a whole lot more.

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Speaker 4: Beyond these conference championship games. We come back on the

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Speaker 4: NFL Report.

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Speaker 2: We are back at the NFL Report, and look at this,

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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes six years as a starter, four trips to

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I think you can say that's great.

671
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Speaker 2: I think Antony Chiefs they found their franchise quarterback. You

672
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Speaker 2: know what, we found our franchise knowledge guy. Right here

673
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: in this segment we have Mark Ross joining us. James

674
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Speaker 2: Palmer and Mark we talked about it. This right here

675
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Speaker 2: is going to be a Tomahawk steak segment because we

676
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Speaker 2: have a lot of food on this platter. But first

677
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Speaker 2: of before we get going, just just your thoughts on

678
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl matchup.

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Speaker 12: Well, this is going to be fascinating and so much fun.

680
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Speaker 12: Of course, the rematch of a few years ago, and

681
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Speaker 12: with Mahomes back, Hey, look, how was the greatest quarterback

682
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Speaker 12: of all time? And underdog yesterday and going into it

683
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Speaker 12: and despite all odds, just give me anybody to play with,

684
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Speaker 12: just like Brady used to it.

685
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Speaker 6: I'll find a way to get there.

686
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Speaker 12: Of course, Andy Reid's importance and my man Steve Spagnola,

687
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Speaker 12: the decordinator doing it once again. I'm sure we'll talk

688
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Speaker 12: about him a little bit later. And then on the

689
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Speaker 12: other side, the forty nine ers, we know the ups

690
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Speaker 12: and downs that they've had in the doubt in the

691
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Speaker 12: middle of the season, rock Party, can he do it

692
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Speaker 12: or can he not do it? Stepping up with huge

693
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Speaker 12: plays yesterday showing that Yeah, I'm a playmaker too, I

694
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Speaker 12: got this. So it's going to be a lot of

695
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Speaker 12: fun once again to match with great coaching, great talent,

696
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Speaker 12: great players, a lot of storylines. Of course, we're not

697
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Speaker 12: even talking about Taylor and that situation, so it's going

698
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Speaker 12: to be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Guys. Yeah, I've had two jobs this postseason. Mark.

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Speaker 3: It's been covering of the NFL following the Chiefs, and

701
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Speaker 3: two like can I get a shot of Taylor Swift

702
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: for everybody that needs one via social media?

703
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Speaker 1: I've been pretty successful. I'm not gonna lie for a

704
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Speaker 1: few of these games.

705
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Speaker 3: We will get as Mark ts to these two teams

706
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: more in depth, Chiefs and Niners. But let's talk about

707
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Speaker 3: whose seasons just came to a close on Sunday, first,

708
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Speaker 3: Mark and how they move on moving forward. We know

709
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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson is a hot hot name, and obviously the

710
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Speaker 3: connection to DC and the Commanders is one that we're

711
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Speaker 3: all kind of following. If he does depart Detroit, how

712
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Speaker 3: does a team And we just saw this with Philadelphia

713
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Speaker 3: and the massive step that they took back after losing

714
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Speaker 3: both of their coordinators. What do you have to I

715
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Speaker 3: guess what boxes do you have to check if you

716
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Speaker 3: lose a coordinator that's as important as Ben Johnson is

717
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Speaker 3: to the Lions to make sure that doesn't happen to

718
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Speaker 3: your organization. What do the Lions need to do to

719
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Speaker 3: make sure they keep moving forward if they lose Ben Johnson?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, look, everyone assumes, look, you just keep it rolling.

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Speaker 12: But as soon as your team is done their season,

722
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Speaker 12: it's a different team. And you mentioned the Eagles, but

723
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Speaker 12: any team, even when you win the Super Bowl, you

724
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Speaker 12: know it's a different team that next year. And for

725
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Speaker 12: the Lions, for Ben Johnson, I mean, is this guy

726
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Speaker 12: the best coordinator in the league? So to say, well,

727
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Speaker 12: let's just find another guy. We've got this young talent

728
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Speaker 12: keep it rolling.

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Speaker 6: That's not easy. You know, that's hard, and I'll like

730
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Speaker 6: in it too.

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Speaker 12: When we had Steve Spagnolo, since we're going to talk

732
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Speaker 12: about him, with the Giants and we won the Super Bowl,

733
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Speaker 12: you know seven, masterful job by Spags. We were able

734
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Speaker 12: to keep him another year, and then he left to

735
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Speaker 12: become the Rams, you know, head coach there, and it's like, well,

736
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Speaker 12: let's just fill in another guy. Well, no, there's only

737
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Speaker 12: one Steve Spagnolo. The importance of a great coordinator cannot

738
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Speaker 12: be undersold and underestimated. So the Lions, someone's number one,

739
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Speaker 12: find a capable coordinator. Of course they won't be Ben

740
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Speaker 12: Johnson because he's one of the but all, okay, all

741
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Speaker 12: this young talent that we have, they have to take

742
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Speaker 12: a step.

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Speaker 6: They have to get better. You know, Brad.

744
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Speaker 12: Holmes the gym, we got to get more talent in

745
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Speaker 12: here to help overcome that as well. Jared Goff, is

746
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 12: he going to be better next year? And then Dan

747
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 12: Campbell the head coach, He's got to get better as well.

748
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Speaker 12: So it's everyone really has to step up and overcome

749
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Speaker 12: and get better in the absence of Ben Johnson because

750
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Speaker 12: what he did there is special and deservedly so he's

751
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Speaker 12: going to get ahead job somewhere else because of how

752
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Speaker 12: special he was. But it's going to take an entire

753
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Speaker 12: organizational effort to get back to where they were or better,

754
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Speaker 12: or they may not be as good or prolific next

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Speaker 12: year as they were this year.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said that, Mark, because you talked

757
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: to defensive coaches in this league and they will tell

758
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Speaker 2: you Ben Johnson is different.

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Speaker 4: He is different with what he does.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about another coordinator, and that's McDaniel there

761
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Speaker 2: at Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: He could be gone, but I'm McDonald. I'm sorry, but I.

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Speaker 6: Want to get more.

764
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Speaker 4: I wanted more about this with the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: They changed their offense, they played at such a high level,

766
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: and they still.

767
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Speaker 4: Didn't break through. Mark. I mean what they need to

768
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Speaker 4: do moving forward to get over the home?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, right, to be the man, you got to beat

770
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Speaker 12: the man, and I think everyone in Baltimore knew that,

771
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Speaker 12: and then they just couldn't do it.

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Speaker 6: Just like last week we were talking about Josh Allen

773
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Speaker 6: and the Bills. They couldn't do it.

774
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Speaker 12: The Ravens had everything going for them, crushing teams with

775
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 12: playoff teams all season long. Last week, okay, let's just

776
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Speaker 12: you crush the young up and coming Texans. We're ready,

777
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Speaker 12: We're at home. Lamar's flying high and of course there's

778
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Speaker 12: a lot of reasons why they lost that game yesterday

779
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Speaker 12: and moving forward, you know, I think a lot of

780
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 12: the things that went right for them during the year

781
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Speaker 12: didn't come through. Let's just talk about we talked about

782
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Speaker 12: Lamar's receiving cor our gear, Well, yesterday didn't step up.

783
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Speaker 12: The young rookies A Flowers who've been so dynamic make

784
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Speaker 12: some dynamic plays, and then he had some you know,

785
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Speaker 12: ill advised things that he did yesterday. Odell didn't step up,

786
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Speaker 12: where was Bateman? Likely didn't make any big plays. Mark

787
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Speaker 12: Andrews will give him a little pass coming off the injury,

788
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Speaker 12: you know, Nelson Ageler drops another pass as usual. So

789
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Speaker 12: I think all of that infrastructure for Lamar let him

790
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Speaker 12: down and he didn't play well. No, that's the number

791
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Speaker 12: one thing. He's got to get better. As he's going

792
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Speaker 12: to win the MVP this year. He was amazing, He's outstanding.

793
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Speaker 12: But here we are again talking about can Lamar get

794
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Speaker 12: it done in the playoffs, And that's the number one

795
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 12: thing fellas that has to get done. Lamar's got to

796
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Speaker 12: play better. I'm sure he'll watch the tape and he'll

797
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Speaker 12: admittedly say, yeah.

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Speaker 6: I got to do it too.

799
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Speaker 12: And I'm sure he's keat off right now about how

800
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Speaker 12: he played. That's the number one thing for me. Until

801
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Speaker 12: Lamar does it, we're going to keep talking about Lamar

802
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 12: can't do it, and he's just really got to go

803
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Speaker 12: out there and do it.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I love that you put it that way, Mark, because

806
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Speaker 3: being on the sideline pregame and talking to coaches on

807
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Speaker 3: both sides, between the Ravens and the Chiefs, that was

808
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Speaker 3: one of the most talked about topics before that game

809
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: kicked off with both sides. It was the chief saying,

810
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Speaker 3: we're hoping Lamar tries to do too much, he turns

811
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Speaker 3: the ball over maybe a couple of times. We're banking on.

812
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Speaker 3: We've been there a bunch with our quarterback. Lamar hasn't

813
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Speaker 3: done it yet. That was also the Ravens concern that

814
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Speaker 3: Lamar might try to do too much early, might try

815
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Speaker 3: to do too much and end up making a mistake

816
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Speaker 3: or two, and that's the hump you have to get

817
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Speaker 3: over in the postseason. The Chiefs have been there year

818
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 3: in and year out, and I think that's why you

819
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Speaker 3: see sometimes fewer mistakes by teams that get there repeatedly,

820
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Speaker 3: and that brings me to Steve Spagnola in his defense,

821
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Speaker 3: their ability to go out there and create turnovers, which

822
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Speaker 3: is something actually they didn't do really much here in

823
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Speaker 3: the regular season, even though they were a brilliant defense,

824
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Speaker 3: but they created some turnovers and they played discipline against

825
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Speaker 3: a dynamic quarterback. And it's a lot because of their

826
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Speaker 3: defensive coordinator you brought you brought up in Steve Spagnola.

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Speaker 3: You were with him not only in New York but

828
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Speaker 3: also in Philadelphia. How has he grown as a defensive

829
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Speaker 3: coordinator in what you see him do now compared to

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Speaker 3: your time with him in the past.

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Speaker 12: I mean, Spags is just incredible. You talk about the

832
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 12: mistakes and teams that they stepped up to the moment.

833
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 12: The chief stepped up to the moment when they needed to.

834
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Speaker 12: The forty nine ers stepped up to the moment when

835
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Speaker 12: they needed to. The Ravens did not mistake out their mistake,

836
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 12: the Lions did not mistake got their mistake. And that's

837
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 12: the difference between championship teams and our two Super Bowl runs.

838
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Speaker 12: We stepped up to the moment, well we needed to.

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Speaker 12: Was it pretty all the time?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 6: You get some lucky bounces here and there, yes, But

842
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 6: you have to step up to the moment.

843
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Speaker 12: And with Spags, Yes, way back in the day, back

844
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 12: in ninety nine, two thousand, Andy Reids first staff, he

845
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 12: was our linebacker coach. We had Leslie Fraser, round Rebet,

846
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 12: we had all kinds of guys there. But then in

847
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 12: New York of course the mastermind of the defense there

848
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 12: and Spags just really number one. His connection to players

849
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Speaker 12: and staff is incredible. I mean just the personality that

850
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 12: he has, the belief that those guys have in him,

851
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 12: the way he can connect besides the x's and those

852
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 12: that goes a long way with players. When a player

853
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 12: steps in a room or on the side, like he's

854
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 12: going to call up the right stuff for us, and

855
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 12: we believe in this guy, and he believes in us,

856
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 12: we're going to get it done. He always kind of

857
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 12: just had that special gravitas about him and still does.

858
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 12: You can kind of see it with him and then

859
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 12: just dialing it up. You're talking about stepping up to

860
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 12: the moment. He just dials up the right stuff in

861
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 12: the right moment. And all decordinators we're talking about Ben

862
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 12: Johnson the offensive side aren't made the same. All coordinators

863
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 12: aren't the same. You get in pressure packed situations, are

864
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 12: you going to panic or are you going to come

865
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 12: through and do the right things? Just like players do,

866
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 12: coordinators the same things, and Spags just really has just

867
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 12: an innate feel for dialing up the right stuff at

868
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Speaker 12: the right time and knowing how to put his players

869
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Speaker 12: in position to make plays at the right time. He

870
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Speaker 12: did it with us in New York. He's done it

871
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Speaker 12: now with KC. And it's really just I mean, can

872
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Speaker 12: we have a Hall of Fame for a coordinator?

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Speaker 1: You know?

874
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Speaker 12: And I mean this is incredible the runs he gets

875
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 12: on and the way he's just able to take his

876
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 12: game to another level in these pressure packed situations.

877
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: Super quick, mark because I want to get to Belichick.

878
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: But how come Spags doesn't even get head coaching interviews?

879
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: Man?

880
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: Oh, you know how it is that?

881
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 6: You know how it is Davids on.

882
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 12: To the next the new, the hot, the young up

883
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 12: and coming up a coordinators. That's kind of what the

884
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 12: trend is out of the NFL. And of course what

885
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 12: he's done, he should get another shot at it. He's

886
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 12: been a head coach, he's learned from that. That was

887
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 12: a big thing when he came back to New York

888
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 12: with us where he said he learned so much more

889
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 12: when he was a head coach. Of course it didn't

890
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 12: end the way he wanted to with the Rams, but

891
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 12: he came out of that a better coach for that experience.

892
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 12: And you see that right now. But yeah, he definitely

893
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 12: deserves it. But you know how the nature of the

894
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 12: NFL is in the hiring cycle, it's here, let's just

895
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 12: go go this route. Here a young offensive mine and

896
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 12: so you know he does earn it. He does deserve it.

897
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: Them, Yeah, he does. And I know he wants another crack.

898
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: We'll see if he gets another one.

899
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: But I know he's happy doing what he's doing in

900
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: the success Thor Avenue, Kansas City.

901
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: How about Bill Belichick.

902
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: It looks right now like we're going to have a

903
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: year without Bill Belichick in twenty twenty four. So Mark,

904
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 3: is this the end for Bill Belichick? Or is this

905
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: just a one year vacancy?

906
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 12: You know, guys, I think this is probably it. If

907
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 12: this wasn't he didn't get it now, there's no need,

908
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 12: no reason to think next year another year removed from

909
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 12: the game. I think a lot of the negativity or

910
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 12: the reasons why it's like, Okay, he's not the young

911
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 12: up and comer, the way he does conducts business and

912
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 12: runs his organization, runs his program. A lot of owners

913
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 12: just aren't looking for that style anymore. And despite of

914
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 12: course the rings and the accolades, it's okay, they're talking

915
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 12: about he doesn't have Tom Brady anymore. He didn't do

916
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 12: it without Tom Brady, and they're talking about that as well.

917
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 12: So I think right now would have been the really

918
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 12: only one teams and it wasn't even a lot of

919
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 12: teams brought him into interview. They didn't even bother with him.

920
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 12: So the outside looking in it was we don't even

921
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 12: want to deal with this. And then also, well, if

922
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 12: you're hiring Bill Belichick, is he bringing in all his guys,

923
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 12: and whoever hires him, you're getting rid of them in

924
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 12: the building.

925
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 6: I don't want to bring that guy in coming in

926
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 6: and bring everybody to take my bad job.

927
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 12: So a lot of that got taken into account when

928
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 12: they talked to Belichick. So you can never take away

929
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 12: what the man has done. But that was in and

930
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 12: moving forward. Teams looking for that aggressive, forward looking program

931
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 12: and not the old school approach.

932
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah to the greatest, who ever did it didn't get

933
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: additional opportunities. I'm talking about Don Shule and Tom Landry.

934
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: So you know that that's part of real quick because

935
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 2: you only have about a minute and a half left.

936
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: It's not just Belichick. Mike Vrabel, who we all know

937
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: is a damn good coach.

938
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Speaker 4: As well. He is not seventy. He could be on

939
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 4: the sidelines as well.

940
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a look, there's a lot of good

941
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: coaches who aren't getting in there. But Mike Vrabel's track

942
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: record kind of speaks for itself. How surprising is it.

943
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: The teams weren't as sweet on him as we thought

944
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: maybe they should be.

945
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought they would be.

946
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 12: As you mentioned, a younger guy and what he'd over

947
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 12: overachieved a lot for most of the time there with

948
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 12: it And if you were looking for okay, well we

949
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 12: want to established coach who's show him the way to win.

950
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 6: Let's let's get him in here.

951
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 12: But again, and it's all about trying to find your

952
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 12: own and not trying to rely on well recycled guys.

953
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 12: And you know, for hit for Vrable, teams are kind

954
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 12: of looking at well, we needed the offense again that

955
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 12: that trend of the offensive. Young offensive coaches are still

956
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 12: sort of playing out, and especially with those teams who

957
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 12: either are about that draft of QB or you know,

958
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 12: picking up high. There's a couple of those cakencies. There

959
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 12: are still Washington here you are and h Or trying

960
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 12: to develop a young guy that you have and unfortunately

961
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 12: that that he just didn't fit into that box. But

962
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 12: obviously he has been a successful head coach. But look,

963
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 12: ownership goes a certain route and that's just been a

964
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 12: copycat trend with the NFL hiring cycle.

965
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: Mark Ross, not leaving anything on the bone of that

966
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 2: Tomahawk stake segment.

967
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 4: Well done, man, we got with it.

968
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 6: We got the sides coup. We just hate the steak.

969
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 12: Now, where's the mass.

970
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: Take a fully load of baked potato.

971
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: Please save a little one for Thursday. You know, we

972
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: maybe maybe got to bring you back then. If not,

973
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: come back next week, you guys. We've got the Senior

974
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: Bowl coming up and a couple of these All Star

975
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: games as well.

976
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: All right, great stuff, Mark Ross.

977
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: Well you heard that Mike Vrabel wasn't the up and

978
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: coming offensive guy.

979
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: Well neither's this guy. He's an up andcoming defensive guy.

980
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 4: Rahiem Morris gets the job.

981
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 2: He's a everywhere guy Atlanta.

982
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 6: He's that dude.

983
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about him and more on the NFL Report.

984
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: And it's also a podcast.

985
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 3: Hey, it's James Palmer and you're listening to the NFL

986
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: Report podcast along with myself and Steve Weisch.

987
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,360
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988
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Speaker 3: Faces, this is a show at seven fifteen Monday and

989
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 3: Thursday at seven fifteen pm Eastern, and we are on

990
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: the NFL app as well as fast streaming platforms. That's

991
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Speaker 3: two B, that's Roku, that's Pluto, that's Peacock, all of

992
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993
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 3: NFL channel find us all of those spots.

994
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the NFL Report. As we close things out,

995
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: James Palmer, Steve Whitch with you.

996
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: We have two Steve openings left in the NFL and

997
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: they should be filled rather quickly. They could be filled

998
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: while we're talking about this right now, but we don't

999
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: think on a Monday it's getting filled. But the Washington

1000
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: Commanders and the Seattle Seahawks, let's start with Washington. What's

1001
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: your take on what we're going to be seeing in

1002
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: Washington now that Adam Peters is in place, and it's

1003
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: essentially from my understanding, kind of his call.

1004
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Adam Peters, you know is there. We've

1005
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: got Bob Myers also coming in. There's been talk for

1006
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: weeks that Ben Johnson, of the offensive coordinator for the

1007
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: Detroit Lions, who is now available to interview in person,

1008
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: is the favorite there and he will be interviewing with

1009
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: the commanders. But look, there's a team that needs a quarterback.

1010
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 2: But everyone has seen what he's done in the past

1011
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: two years in Detroit.

1012
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 4: He is a leader. You hear everyone speak highly of him.

1013
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: Defensive coordinators talk about how much of a nightmare is

1014
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: playing against him. But is he the guy to start

1015
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: with a team that he's a new quarterback because we

1016
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: know Washington has talent there. But this is a frame

1017
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 2: and transition, so maybe he's the guy. But we'll also

1018
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: see Mike McDonald, the defensive coordinator for the Ravens, someone

1019
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: who's nearby, someone who a lot of folks at this

1020
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: organization have seen up closing center. He's in the mix

1021
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: as well. But JP, it looks like those two in Washington,

1022
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: and as you said, both of them are available to

1023
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: interview in person by virtue of losing in their conference

1024
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: championship games.

1025
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: And I like you brought up Mike McDonald because that's

1026
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: an organization that the commanders have spent a lot of

1027
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: time looking at in terms of how we want to

1028
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 3: build this new look, in terms of culture, in terms

1029
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: of how we draft, in terms of how we go

1030
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: through the entire process. So obviously talking to Mike is

1031
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: a big part of this, but also what they want

1032
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: to establish.

1033
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: You mentioned the quarterback spot.

1034
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: Remember they picked second overall in this draft coming up,

1035
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: and that's a big, big, probably talking point with anybody

1036
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: they interview in terms of what's your plan at the

1037
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: quarterback spot? A completely different situation all the way across

1038
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: the country. Steve in Seattle, what's your make of what's

1039
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 3: going on there, because, as I mentioned, that is a

1040
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: completely different setup and circumstance compared to Washington.

1041
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, p Carroll's moved upstairs. We don't know if it's again.

1042
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: An advisor role, much like Bruce arians has in Tampa.

1043
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 2: Are much more heavy handed, like we saw Tom Kaughlin

1044
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: do when he went to Jacksonville. But it looks like

1045
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: it's between Dan quinn and Mike McDonald. Looks like they're

1046
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: going to go with the defensive guy. Again, that's the

1047
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: nature of the leadership of this organization, which didn't change.

1048
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: So we'll see, probably by the end of the week

1049
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: if it's Quinn the Cowboys defensive coordinator going back to

1050
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: where he made a lot of good memories as a

1051
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: DC in Seattle, or McDonald JP. I also want to

1052
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: get to what's happened in Atlanta. Raheem Morris gets the

1053
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: job early on. I am told from this one some

1054
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 2: very close people. It was Bill Belichick's job. Arthur Blank

1055
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: wanted him, other people in the building really liked him.

1056
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: But then the more they got through this process and

1057
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 2: interviewed candidates, Raheem Morris, the defensive coordinator for the Rams,

1058
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,959
Speaker 2: who had coached there before as a wide receivers coach

1059
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: and as a secondary coach, and who had remained and

1060
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: retained great relationships in that building, he gets the job. Like,

1061
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts about this? Because a lot of

1062
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 2: people like, oh, he's already had a head coaching job.

1063
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: Why are we going with a defensive coach when we

1064
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: have a good defense and we need a quarterback.

1065
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: I love this, Steve, I actually I love this.

1066
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: We've talked culture at the start of this segment and

1067
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: what you want to build throughout your entire organization. I

1068
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: think Raheem builds that in his ability that he's coached

1069
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball. I think him makes

1070
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: him a unique candidate. And also everything he learned and

1071
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 3: from my understanding, how open he was with the staffs

1072
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: that he was a part of in between these head

1073
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: coaching opportunities, about what.

1074
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: He learned the first time around and.

1075
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: What he would do differently, I think really held a

1076
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: lot of water for a lot of people in Atlanta.

1077
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated that nobody wants to rent Bill Belichick for

1078
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: a couple of years. I know, we won't be your

1079
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: coach for ten years, but the Tampa Bay Bucks rented

1080
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: Tom Brady and they got a Super Bowl out of it.

1081
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 3: Nobody really wants to do that, I guess with Bill Belichick.

1082
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: Quickly Philadelphia two new coordinators Vic Fangio and Kellen Moore.

1083
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts real quick?

1084
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, Vic FANGIOE it was not working in Miami.

1085
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: You heard people talking about the relationship just wasn't really

1086
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 2: great with a lot of people. So him going to Philadelphia,

1087
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: he can fix that team. There's talent, but they've got

1088
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: to add significant depth, especially at the position he thrives on,

1089
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: and that's at the safety spots.

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Speaker 4: I've got to add some talent right there.

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Speaker 2: I think Kellen Moore going to the offense very intrigued

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Speaker 2: by this one because he has not coached a mobile

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Speaker 2: quarterback and Dak Prescott and Justin Herbert like he's gonna

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Speaker 2: have in Jalen Hurt.

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Speaker 4: So it's gonna be interesting to see if he can

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Speaker 4: get that passing game and.

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Speaker 2: Everything else going on Mondays and Thursday, JP, you can

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Speaker 4: It is also a podcast.

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