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Speaker 2: fast paced, a lot of fun. Vlad Guerrero Junior the
Speaker 2: third following in his father's footsteps as your home run champ.
Speaker 2: Northwestern fires their head coach Pat Fitzgerald. We'll talk about
Speaker 2: how the story got started, changed, and then the fallout here.
Speaker 2: I was curious what were the expectations for Northwestern's football
Speaker 2: program this year according to DraftKings. Anybody want to guess
Speaker 2: what the over under for wins was was for Northwestern
Speaker 2: before their head coach just got fined Seaton, I'll start
Speaker 2: with you. Four and a half, four and a half,
Speaker 2: Marvin two and a half, Todd five and a half, PAULI.
Speaker 3: Because it's still available. Three and a half, three and.
Speaker 2: A half is correct, Congratulations. I don't know what it
Speaker 2: is now, but the expectations weren't too high. That factor
Speaker 2: in coming off a one and eleven season, four wins
Speaker 2: in the last two years, and not expected to be
Speaker 2: a factor in the Big ten. All right, eight seven
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Speaker 2: able to see what Seaton looks like after his Italian
Speaker 2: vacation job. Oh do you you speaking fluently? Now? I
Speaker 2: don't know what we're going to sound like when we
Speaker 2: get back from Ireland at the end of August. Yeah,
Speaker 2: probably we'll have a little Will Fritzy and Marvin have
Speaker 2: a little bit of an Irish accent?
Speaker 1: Possibly?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I keep doing the Pirates, it's not that's not how
Speaker 2: the Irish soundale Oldishalale.
Speaker 1: It's like their version of my Sharona.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Marvin, Yeah, how's your Irish anccent?
Speaker 5: It's non existent? Okay, but when I get there, work
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 2: By the way, I walked in the backroom, guys, go
Speaker 2: have you talked to Todd yet? I go no, Why
Speaker 2: is he on drugs? And I go no, Todd doesn't
Speaker 2: do drugs.
Speaker 5: I've been asked that though over the years.
Speaker 2: Okay, but they wanted to know the backroom guys, the
Speaker 2: big german Dylan. They came to me and pulled me
Speaker 2: aside and said, is Todd okay today? How about we
Speaker 2: just get it out there in case you're not okay,
Speaker 2: At least the audience is aware.
Speaker 6: I popped in to say that tied to the guys
Speaker 6: before our pre show meeting, and I started doing scenes
Speaker 6: from The Shining because over the holiday break I watched
Speaker 6: it like two or three times, and I just there's
Speaker 6: something that draws me to that particular movie. So I
Speaker 6: was just, without them asking, I just decided to start
Speaker 6: doing that.
Speaker 2: Why didn't you give us a little sample there?
Speaker 4: Mister Grady, you were the caretaker here. I read about
Speaker 4: you in the newspaper. You were chopped up your daughters
Speaker 4: into little bits. No, mister Torrence, you are the caretaker.
Speaker 4: You've always been the caretaker.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 7: Your son is a very wilful boy, rather naughty boy.
Speaker 7: If I may be so bold, sir, perhaps he needs
Speaker 7: to be corrected. And your wife is interfering with your duties.
Speaker 7: Perhaps she needs correcting too, if I may be so bold, So.
Speaker 2: You could understand why the backroom guys might have been
Speaker 2: a little concerned that Todd came in unprovoked and then
Speaker 2: just started to quote movie lines.
Speaker 3: Yes, Paul, yeah, I walked in on this and the
Speaker 3: guys in the back look like they are being subjected
Speaker 3: to something like where they had to be locked in
Speaker 3: a room and just have this told him.
Speaker 2: You mean the look we have every day that we're
Speaker 2: being subjected, Ram, Ram.
Speaker 1: That's why the partition is nice.
Speaker 8: It feels like a wall where I can tune it
Speaker 8: out a lot more easily if it.
Speaker 2: Was just true.
Speaker 3: It's very true.
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Speaker 2: the way, yesterday I was recamping my fly fishing trip
Speaker 2: to Montana and my guide talked about when he encountered
Speaker 2: a bear. He's actually encountered a couple of bears. But
Speaker 2: he's one of those real outdoorsmen, real men, you know.
Speaker 2: He goes and hunts for his food for the winter.
Speaker 2: He lives in a small cabin, he cuts his own firewood.
Speaker 2: And I was recapping some of the conversations I had
Speaker 2: with my guide, and I was accused of maybe misleading
Speaker 2: people of what happens if you run into a bear.
Speaker 2: So we're going to have a wildlife expert who will
Speaker 2: join us coming up later on this hour. This is
Speaker 2: a public service announcement, because the last thing I want
Speaker 2: is somebody to say, well, wait a minute. You told
Speaker 2: us that this is what you do when you encounter
Speaker 2: a black bear or a brown bear or a white bear. Yes, Seaton, you.
Speaker 8: Got to stay in your lanes a little bear, yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 8: stay in your forest.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did not encounter a bear when I went fly fish.
Speaker 1: Thank god.
Speaker 8: No, that is not anything high on my list of
Speaker 8: life things. I don't ever want to see a bear.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 2: I have been fishing before in British Columbia and across
Speaker 2: the river was a bear, a mom, a bear and
Speaker 2: a cub. Well, that's a bad thing to encounter whenever
Speaker 2: mom's involved, that's where trouble is lurking. But the bears
Speaker 2: were just getting salmon, so they didn't care about me whatsoever.
Speaker 2: But that's my only encounter with a bear. Mike Ditka,
Speaker 2: you know, and Jim McMahon, those are the other bears
Speaker 2: that I've encountered.
Speaker 3: Yes, there was a bear in my backyard Vermont about
Speaker 3: four years h I was with my daughter, but we
Speaker 3: were on the deck of the house, a little back deck,
Speaker 3: and so there's a wood railing and that it was
Speaker 3: I would say sixty feet away, so neither close nor
Speaker 3: like where you were nervous, but you sat there in
Speaker 3: silence watching it. But as soon as we made like
Speaker 3: a little noise, the bear just shot up in the
Speaker 3: woods and took off.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think they're afraid of us, at least that's what
Speaker 2: I've been led to believe. But then somebody says, you
Speaker 2: know what, why didn't you fake like you're dead?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: And I go, no, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: In the old days, that's what you were talking. They'll
Speaker 3: lay down and act like you're not alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm guessing that they're going to want to
Speaker 2: eat you if they think you're dead. That all right,
Speaker 2: I don't have to work that hard, but I wanted
Speaker 2: to have somebody on. We have a wildlife expert who
Speaker 2: join us coming up a little bit later on, just
Speaker 2: so just in case you encounter a bear.
Speaker 8: Yes see, that's why I like when you go into
Speaker 8: like some like outdoors stores and you're looking to buy
Speaker 8: I don't know, a new backpack or whatever this and that,
Speaker 8: and they have a bear bell. Oh, just put this
Speaker 8: little bell on your backpack and that'll scare it away.
Speaker 1: Get out of here, or bear spray. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 8: I like I like the bear spray a lot better
Speaker 8: than the little bell that goes.
Speaker 1: Then they you cant sneak up on it. You'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ok.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, We're gonna start with something kind of light hearted easy.
Speaker 8: This is from a Twitter account called blob Costas who's
Speaker 8: been very active. Which sounds better? Slam dunk champion, home
Speaker 8: run Derby champion, which sounds better? Okay, you'd be more
Speaker 8: proud to say, like, oh, yeah I was slam dunk champion,
Speaker 8: or oh I won the home run derby once.
Speaker 2: Feels like the home run derby carries a little more
Speaker 2: significance than slam dunk.
Speaker 8: The slam dunk contest is. Those are feats of athleticism.
Speaker 8: I know that, especially modern times.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: And you are hung up on being able to dunk,
Speaker 2: and you wish you would have been able to dunk,
Speaker 2: and you want to know what that feeling is like
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people share that. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's just me. Yeah, yes, well you're the
Speaker 2: only one in the room here who is well, everybody
Speaker 2: else dunk, so yeah, obviously except for top.
Speaker 1: Feeling left out? Yeah anymore I cannot dunk?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, Marvin, what I think?
Speaker 5: Twenty years ago, being the slam dunk Champion was a
Speaker 5: real thing. Yeah, but now if I say Jeremy Evans,
Speaker 5: you're like, who He won a slam dunk contest one year,
Speaker 5: so it really doesn't hold weight like that. Mc mcclunn
Speaker 5: was in the G League and won the slam Dunk Contest.
Speaker 2: Jeremy Evans won the slam Dunk contest.
Speaker 5: Cut stat of the day.
Speaker 1: Let me see who Jeremy Evans is.
Speaker 2: Hold on a second, it's not Jeremy Grant.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty pi to the face Jeremy Evans.
Speaker 2: All right, can we check that.
Speaker 3: I think this conversation tells us which one we want
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly who won the home run derby last year?
Speaker 2: Pete Alonso? Who?
Speaker 1: What the year before that?
Speaker 2: Peter Alonzo?
Speaker 3: Yes, Bally slam dunk. Mac McClung obi topping in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two, Anthony Simmons, Simons whatever, twenty one, Yeah he's okay,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, Derek Jones, Junior Diallo, Donovan Mitchell, Glenn Robinson,
Speaker 3: the Third, Zach Lavine, Zach Lavine, John Wall, Jeremy Evans
Speaker 3: in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: But the jazz Let's go okay, right man? He would
Speaker 2: have made some money off that, Jeremy Evans.
Speaker 5: So Homer and Derby is the answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think so. I think when Doctor j
Speaker 2: was in it and Dominique and Jordan, you know, I
Speaker 2: think it mattered. I don't think it matters as much.
Speaker 2: I you know, Mac McClung was unbelievable, but you know
Speaker 2: we said that going in he was gonna win. There
Speaker 2: was a novelty in a variety of ways with mac McClung.
Speaker 2: But you know, ob topping, I forgot that he won. Yes, Ton,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: It's definitely the slam dunk.
Speaker 6: The way I look at it is what can you
Speaker 6: prove or show to everyone? A lot easier you can
Speaker 6: grab a ball and go to your local park and
Speaker 6: show off your dunking skills, but baseball you have to
Speaker 6: go fight a field and someone have to pitch to
Speaker 6: you and show that you can hit it four hundred
Speaker 6: feet or whatever. I always look at that way if
Speaker 6: you want to if you're the heavyweight champ, I can't
Speaker 6: fight anybody.
Speaker 2: In this room, or I can.
Speaker 5: You know, you can just show it up like that.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what your logic was right there,
Speaker 2: Because you're considered the fastest man.
Speaker 5: You can count anyone at any time to a race.
Speaker 5: There are things where you can just right there on
Speaker 5: the spot prove you're.
Speaker 2: Also I have to go to a baseball field to
Speaker 2: prove I can hit a baseball four hundred.
Speaker 5: Which would be complicated. That's why I would rather be
Speaker 5: the slam double.
Speaker 2: What if I was just playing a pickup game of
Speaker 2: baseball and I hit it four hundred feet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but how often do you do that?
Speaker 2: Back in my youth? You know I would do that,
Speaker 2: but not anymore.
Speaker 3: And most parks.
Speaker 6: Don't have like numbers like three eighty four ten, You
Speaker 6: have no idea.
Speaker 2: No, If you hit it far enough, that's when people go, holy,
Speaker 2: got all of that one?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, slam dunk contest at your local park? Is that
Speaker 2: what you're saying that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You're kind in and around I'm saying you have to
Speaker 5: jump over a car or anything like that.
Speaker 6: But oh, look at that dunk, and that's you know,
Speaker 6: goes viral as opposed to someone lobbing at a ball
Speaker 6: to you for batting.
Speaker 2: But I could, I could dunk, but I couldn't hit
Speaker 2: a ball four hundred feet. You know, you can dunk, but.
Speaker 1: That you get one over the fence?
Speaker 8: Yes, right, So that that's like you're the equivalent of
Speaker 8: And I'm sorry if I'm being disrespectful to your hops,
Speaker 8: but was your ability to dunk equivalent to hitting a
Speaker 8: four hundred foot home run?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 8: Were you able to get it over the fence, so
Speaker 8: to speak, as a dunk?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a lot of people who can just
Speaker 2: get it over the rim and dunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There are not a lot of people who can hit
Speaker 2: it four hundred There are probably more people who could
Speaker 2: get up, you know and have a rub dunk as.
Speaker 8: We call it, but not enough people to have the
Speaker 8: slam dunk equivalent of a four hundred foot home run.
Speaker 8: Yeah right, yeah, like a crazy like windmill, yes, you
Speaker 8: know whatever, there's not I mean, there's a lot there's
Speaker 8: a good amount of people who could do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where it's.
Speaker 5: Being lobbed in and right in the exact spot.
Speaker 6: Then you've asked the picture to put it.
Speaker 2: In and you're still taking pictures. Nobody's guard dunk Todd, Yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Have the ability to.
Speaker 6: And I'm not talking about a rub dunk after about
Speaker 6: whoa you got up there and spun around.
Speaker 2: But no, no, that's not that's not how this is working.
Speaker 2: We just talked about dunking, and I said hitting a
Speaker 2: home run, hitting a four hundred feet or just getting
Speaker 2: a regular dunk four hundred it's more impressive even if
Speaker 2: you put it on a t Yes, Marvin, I was.
Speaker 5: Just talking about star power. I ain't mean the starting Okay, sorry, yes, Paul.
Speaker 3: It does feel like the NBA doesn't have any star power,
Speaker 3: rarely has star power, and a slam dunk contest like
Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon was a border line star, Zach Lavine is
Speaker 3: a border line star. If you get invited the Major
Speaker 3: League Baseball Home Run Derby, you're one of the best
Speaker 3: home run hitters in the league and the best on
Speaker 3: your team. Pete A. Lonzo is a star as a star.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most of these guys who were in the home
Speaker 2: run derby. You know you're aware of them. A lot
Speaker 2: of the guys who were in the slam dunk contest,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, who's this? Yes, I forgot about
Speaker 2: the name value.
Speaker 6: As far as which one would you rather show up
Speaker 6: when someone's coming to your house or what sounds like
Speaker 6: a bigger deal.
Speaker 5: It's like you won the slam dunk content. I won
Speaker 5: the home run Derby. I hit hit thirty eight when
Speaker 5: they were lobbing it in and I knew exactly.
Speaker 2: Crushed it is that how Pete Alonzo taught. I think
Speaker 2: you should talk.
Speaker 6: That way based on what that is that accomplishment, even
Speaker 6: if you wanted two to three times.
Speaker 1: Atlie Russian might talk like that.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I hit it four hundred feet.
Speaker 1: That's a souvenir. Yes, that's a suit.
Speaker 2: You know what. Chris Berman couldn't do the home run
Speaker 2: Derby contest now because it is such a faster pace
Speaker 2: home run derby, so it's basically throw And I wondered
Speaker 2: about this for years. We have to wait until it lands,
Speaker 2: and at least we used to. So Chris Berman could
Speaker 2: give you.
Speaker 1: The back back back back, back back back back.
Speaker 2: On he can't do that now because as soon as
Speaker 2: you throw it, as soon as they hit it, you
Speaker 2: throw it again, and therefore it's there's a lot of
Speaker 2: action going on, so much so vlad Guerrero Junior the
Speaker 2: third had to take a knee, like he was like,
Speaker 2: I need a time out here. But that's what happens
Speaker 2: with trying to win your round. That you know, Julio
Speaker 2: Rodriguez had forty one home runs. Well, that gets you
Speaker 2: to the next round and knocks out Pete Alonzo, But
Speaker 2: that doesn't help you when you get to the next
Speaker 2: round where you're spent.
Speaker 5: Yes, Marvin, the best part about the home run Derby
Speaker 5: is the most memorable rounds. They those people never win
Speaker 5: the home run Derby, like Maguire, Josh Hamilton, those guys
Speaker 5: had incredible round, Bobby, A break you one year they
Speaker 5: had like eighty nine home runs in a round and
Speaker 5: like Justin Murnau won it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where what you hit like thirteen or something in
Speaker 2: the final consistency. But I think that they should have
Speaker 2: that total, like the total should mean something with the
Speaker 2: home run Derby. Here we are arguing the home run Derby, Yes, Ton, and.
Speaker 6: You need a break and you need a break and
Speaker 6: you need some gatorade and you need your teammates took away.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, how about this with your slam dunk said,
Speaker 2: since you're a big slam dunk proponent, if you miss
Speaker 2: the dunk, you don't get penalized, right, remember when.
Speaker 1: They did that.
Speaker 2: That's like you could either do todd how about that?
Speaker 2: And where's your there?
Speaker 6: You should be penalized if you try something and it
Speaker 6: doesn't work out. But I think the embarrassment alone is
Speaker 6: enough of a I don't think whatever I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't seem too embarrassed when they missed that.
Speaker 8: But if you only got one pitch for the home
Speaker 8: run derby as soon as you missed when you were out,
Speaker 8: that's the equivalent of like missing a dunk.
Speaker 2: Right, No, they let you keep going with when you
Speaker 2: miss a dunk.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, and we're complaining about like, no, you shouldn't
Speaker 8: be able to keep going, right. It's like gleam. If
Speaker 8: you keep missing it over and over again, then you
Speaker 8: finally get it that one time. It's like oh, on
Speaker 8: your twelfth time, isn't it work?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: If you want to do that. Look, I'm a guy
Speaker 2: who's homeward and I'm a guy who's dunk. So I'm
Speaker 2: just saying the only one of the room qualified to
Speaker 2: really speak about this. Trust me when I tell you, Okay,
Speaker 2: you don't know what that feeling is like? Dead center
Speaker 2: against u lebon lebnon high school. Ye, dead center.
Speaker 1: What is the picture's name?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, not even worth remember.
Speaker 2: Oh uh he probably made it to the show. Probably,
Speaker 2: That's what I called him when I circle the basis, Hey, meet,
Speaker 2: thank you. How about we take a break here?
Speaker 6: Yes, I just want to add that the home run
Speaker 6: every the picture should be trying to get the batter out.
Speaker 1: This is my dad, well, my uncle or my team.
Speaker 2: Trying to strike you out.
Speaker 5: We'll not give you a.
Speaker 1: Good picture that. Wow, look at that?
Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, did you see the Mets picture with Pete Alonzo?
Speaker 3: He was throwing them all outside.
Speaker 1: He was terrible.
Speaker 2: He's the best.
Speaker 3: How do you buy a Met picture all year?
Speaker 2: How about we take a break here. I don't know
Speaker 2: what we accomplished, but we'll regroup here. Gang sell here
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Speaker 2: people reacting to what's more impressive. Do you want to
Speaker 2: be the slam dunk champ or you do win home
Speaker 2: run derby? And then somebody said, well, Michael Jordan could
Speaker 2: have hit a home run, but I doubt if Pee
Speaker 2: Alonso could dunk. I don't know if Pete Alonso is
Speaker 2: a great athlete or not, but I'm not going to
Speaker 2: rule that out. Yeah, I think Michael Jordan could have
Speaker 2: hit a home run, but especially in BP like that.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if Pete Alonso can do like
Speaker 2: a three sixty. Probably not.
Speaker 1: Is that duncan from the free throw line?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Probably? Probably, Okay, let's be fair.
Speaker 2: Petere Alonzo may have Matt Hopps.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know.
Speaker 2: He's six ' three. I mean, you look at Charles
Speaker 2: Barkley and you probably didn't think he was a great athlete.
Speaker 2: Now I'm comparing Pete Alonzo to Charles Barton's health. The
Speaker 2: case here, all right, big story yesterday Northwestern fires their
Speaker 2: head football coach Pat Fitzgerald amid hazing claims here. And
Speaker 2: this was a little confusing here from the standpoint of
Speaker 2: we had a Friday story, discipline, two week suspension for
Speaker 2: Pat Fitzgerald, a six month investigation, and then Monday he
Speaker 2: gets fired. Nothing I don't think change from Friday to Monday,
Speaker 2: except for the public reaction here. But Pat Fitzgerald is
Speaker 2: forty eight years of age and coming off a season
Speaker 2: where they won one game, and they had a six
Speaker 2: month investigation. You know, credit to the Daily Northwestern because
Speaker 2: they published a story detailing allegations from former a former
Speaker 2: player who described specific instances of hazing and sexual abuse. Well,
Speaker 2: who knew and when did they know? Pat Fitzgerald, did
Speaker 2: he know? Should he have known? What about the coach
Speaker 2: on his staff? What about juniors or seniors who were
Speaker 2: on the team who maybe took part in the hazing?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 2: If we're going to do a deep dive in here,
Speaker 2: and if you want to fire Pat Fitzgerald, fire him.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't really know him. He's been on
Speaker 2: the show a couple of times. In fact, last year
Speaker 2: when they went to Ireland, before they played in Ireland,
Speaker 2: we had him on. From all accounts, upstanding coach, done
Speaker 2: a great job at Northwestern.
Speaker 1: Other than that.
Speaker 2: If he's guilty of this, you want to fire him,
Speaker 2: fire him, But I want to know who else knew
Speaker 2: about this? What did you know? Did the president know?
Speaker 2: But then he didn't reveal everything that he knew? When
Speaker 2: did he know? You know, you can look at this
Speaker 2: and say it's systemic that there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people who knew this, and it's been going on for
Speaker 2: a while, okay, and I'm going to guess that there's
Speaker 2: hazing that continues all across the country. Also, you know,
Speaker 2: the students who are covering this story may look at
Speaker 2: this different differently than somebody who's been in the business
Speaker 2: for thirty years because they would probably say, yeah, tough enough,
Speaker 2: whereas students are going no, no, no, no, that shouldn't
Speaker 2: exist anymore. It never should have existed. You know, the
Speaker 2: tradition of that of hazing. But I talked to a
Speaker 2: former college coach last night and he said it does continue.
Speaker 2: It does exist, he said, but it's always been a
Speaker 2: little more covert because of you know, what's at stake here.
Speaker 2: You know, do coaches look the other way or wink
Speaker 2: about it? Yes, I don't know if they all do.
Speaker 2: I'm just going by somebody who used to coach coach
Speaker 2: on a big time level for a long time and
Speaker 2: just getting sort of feedback here of how does this
Speaker 2: happen if you know what's happening. You know, there's sexual
Speaker 2: assault that could be involved in this. You know this
Speaker 2: isn't you know, we're just smacking you a little bit.
Speaker 2: Or you're drinking. You know, if you're ever pledged in
Speaker 2: a fraternity, Hey, you got to drink until you throw up.
Speaker 2: Or we're going to put an egg in this pledge's
Speaker 2: mouth and then you pass it all the way down
Speaker 2: and the last guy has to swallow it. You know,
Speaker 2: these are the things that happen when you're in you know,
Speaker 2: quote unquote hazing. What they're talking about seems like it's
Speaker 2: a whole different level here at Northwestern.
Speaker 3: Yes, according to the official Independent investigation that the President
Speaker 3: released some details from Yes right, The hazing was well
Speaker 3: known by many in the program, though the investigator failed
Speaker 3: to find any evidence that coach Fitzgerald himself knew about it. So,
Speaker 3: according to the investigation, not people's opinion, Fitzgerald did not
Speaker 3: know this was going on during his time as head coach.
Speaker 3: Now does that change it for any of you guys?
Speaker 3: How you look at this story?
Speaker 2: Okay, if I'm Pat Fitzgerald, of course I didn't know
Speaker 2: anything about this. Why would I admit that I knew
Speaker 2: anything about this? So you know, once again, when you're
Speaker 2: hearing these comments, do I think Pat Fitzgerald knew about it?
Speaker 2: I don't know. But if I'm him, I'm not ignored
Speaker 2: knowledging I knew about it. Did the other coaches know
Speaker 2: about this? You know? Was there pressure, you know for
Speaker 2: them to come forward? But they never did? You know?
Speaker 2: You got an interim head coach? Did he know anything
Speaker 2: about this? What about your seniors or your juniors who
Speaker 2: took part in the hazing here? You know? There it
Speaker 2: feels like there's culpability to go around. Yeah.
Speaker 8: See, but football coaches can't have it both ways. You
Speaker 8: can't be the guy who hey, I'm here twenty four
Speaker 8: hours a day. They trust me, they know everything that's
Speaker 8: going on there. These guys are attention to detail, they're
Speaker 8: detail oriented.
Speaker 1: They know every single.
Speaker 8: Thing because that's just the culture, that's just what they do.
Speaker 8: And then all of a sudden something goes wrong and
Speaker 8: be like, well I didn't know?
Speaker 2: Well, how am I?
Speaker 1: What am I supposed to know everything?
Speaker 5: How?
Speaker 8: You can't pride yourself in detail because that's what football
Speaker 8: coaches do, But then also have no idea what's going
Speaker 8: on in your locker room.
Speaker 2: Pat Fitzgerald is in year two, two years into a
Speaker 2: ten year, fifty seven million dollar contract, so you owe
Speaker 2: him forty two million dollar. You weren't expected to win
Speaker 2: more than four games, and you're coming off a season
Speaker 2: where you won one game. Now, I'm not saying he
Speaker 2: could have kept his job, but it feels like Northwestern
Speaker 2: wasn't able to handle this itself. You know, big programs
Speaker 2: handle these things however they handle them, well, that's up
Speaker 2: to the university, up to the football program or the
Speaker 2: head coach. But Northwestern wasn't able to handle this in house.
Speaker 2: How did it get here? How did it metastasize? And
Speaker 2: it cost Pat Fitzgerald his job here, but I want
Speaker 2: accountability for everybody involved in this. You're going to fire
Speaker 2: head coach, Fine, what about the assistant coaches? Now? I
Speaker 2: know that there's pressure to not come forward because you
Speaker 2: don't want to usurp your head coach, go around him,
Speaker 2: and then somebody might say, oh, you know, now, what
Speaker 2: do you do with the locker room? You got rats
Speaker 2: in there? And I go, they're not rats, you know, whistleblowers. Okay,
Speaker 2: they came forward. They didn't want to put up with this.
Speaker 2: You know, there's racism that could be involved in this,
Speaker 2: comments that were made, there could be sexual assault in this.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things to kind of unpack here.
Speaker 2: But it felt like a six month investigation with an
Speaker 2: independent investigation firm. They didn't find anything, but they still
Speaker 2: sort of found enough to suspend Pat Fitzgerald for two
Speaker 2: Like what is two weeks worthy? It felt like they
Speaker 2: were just trying to all, right, something happened, let's move
Speaker 2: on here. Hey, we addressed it, and they didn't realize
Speaker 2: the reaction from the public is the reason why Pat
Speaker 2: Fitzgerald got fired. He had a two week suspension and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden They're like, well, what's happening here?
Speaker 2: People are really upset about this. Well, okay, more details came,
Speaker 2: you know, more more players, former players came forward like
Speaker 2: you're fired, and he's gonna want his money here, and
Speaker 2: maybe that's what makes it go away. And now Northwestern,
Speaker 2: you know, relative obscurity continues here. But Pat Fitzgerald has
Speaker 2: done a wonderful job there at Northwestern by all accounts,
Speaker 2: he's been a great coach. But how this happened under
Speaker 2: his watch? You know, at some point you have to Now,
Speaker 2: being on a college basketball team, there was a guy
Speaker 2: who was a spy. Now he would never he was
Speaker 2: related to somebody on the coaching staff. Now he would
Speaker 2: tell that person what was going on, who's smoking pot,
Speaker 2: who drinks? You know, there was a nark and it
Speaker 2: was a you know, we weren't a good basketball team.
Speaker 2: But his job was sort of being the lifeguard or
Speaker 2: the hall monitor. These things happen. If Pat Fitzgerald wanted
Speaker 2: to know, he could have found out easily. If he
Speaker 2: didn't know, he could have found out. He'd be like,
Speaker 2: you take the temperature of your team. You're going to
Speaker 2: find out, Hey, who's the leader here, who's who's a
Speaker 2: vocal guy who's got a problem here. This is what happens.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you you're running a business, I'd want to
Speaker 2: know here in my office, we only have twelve people
Speaker 2: on the show. I like to find out what's going
Speaker 2: on with everybody, and of course the big german narks
Speaker 2: on everybody, and then I'm able to find out exactly
Speaker 2: what's going on with you guys. Yeah, I'm pooney, I
Speaker 2: want to go back. I'm joking, and the big it's
Speaker 2: not it's Mario. Mario is the one who's narking on everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Poey, So patischeral gets fired and we agree that
Speaker 3: hazing is wrong. I'm wondering if this investigation pointed out
Speaker 3: specific players that are still on the roster that did this,
Speaker 3: because this would be I would assume a violation of
Speaker 3: Northwestern's policies of hazing and treatment of other student student athletes.
Speaker 3: Why aren't the people who actually did this suspend it?
Speaker 5: Or do we not know that?
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't think that they've because you've got people
Speaker 2: who have spoken to the newspaper and ESPN and they
Speaker 2: want to remain anonymous. I'm going to guess that they
Speaker 2: would probably still keep that confidential, but I don't know
Speaker 2: if that gets out, but I wouldn't. I just want
Speaker 2: to know who's involved in this because if you know,
Speaker 2: how long's Paton been there? For over a decade? You
Speaker 2: have turnover? Did this continue? How long has this been
Speaker 2: going on? Who was involved in this? Is this just recent?
Speaker 2: What about the you know, the leadership? What about the
Speaker 2: captains here? Did they know this? And is that a
Speaker 2: violation of you know, the moral code or ethics code
Speaker 2: at Northwestern? The coaches involved in this, the president of
Speaker 2: the university, what did he know? When did he know it?
Speaker 2: Did he act accordingly? This happens, but usually universities and
Speaker 2: big time football programs keep it in house. They didn't
Speaker 2: do a good job all But I don't know what's next.
Speaker 2: It's Northwestern and maybe there's nothing because you've you've just
Speaker 2: fired the head coach. There's a player's only meeting today.
Speaker 2: Can you transfer now? Are there roster spots for you know,
Speaker 2: these players if they want to transfer to go to
Speaker 2: another program. Don't you have a finite amount of scholarships available?
Speaker 2: And certainly right now here we are in July. Season
Speaker 2: starts in six weeks, so I don't know if you
Speaker 2: can go. I want to get out of here. I'm
Speaker 2: going to want to leave.
Speaker 1: Well, are there spots for you to go to?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: It does read though as small time program, small time
Speaker 8: coach does It does read that way.
Speaker 3: Yes, there is a new ISSU rule with the transfer portal.
Speaker 3: It pay in the past couple of years. If for
Speaker 3: any reason, your coach leaves just before the season starts,
Speaker 3: for any reason, the transfer portals immediately open to you.
Speaker 3: That means Northwestern players. I got to look at the
Speaker 3: actual details. But like, if the Northwestern player wanted to
Speaker 3: go to Illinois today, I think he could be practicing
Speaker 3: this week.
Speaker 2: But there has to be a spot for him. Isn't
Speaker 2: there a finite amount of spots available here? You can't
Speaker 2: have one hundred and fifty players on the football team.
Speaker 2: It's true, but I know there's I mean, you can transfer,
Speaker 2: but I'm guessing here we are in July, there aren't
Speaker 2: any spots. Yees s.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's not just that easy. It's like, oh, just
Speaker 8: go play somewhere else. It's like when people say, like, oh,
Speaker 8: just find a new job, like they're not just everywhere,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. But it does Pat Fitzgerald
Speaker 8: is screwed either way, because it's if you didn't know,
Speaker 8: you're fired. If you didn't know you're fired, it's an
Speaker 8: unwinnable situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this goes back to Rick Patino, and I cautioned
Speaker 2: everybody with due process, and I would still say due process.
Speaker 2: But if it turns out that he knew about this,
Speaker 2: or he didn't know and is staffed it, or you know,
Speaker 2: then you can fire him. I'm not an apologist for
Speaker 2: Pat Fitzgerald. I don't know him. I've just had him
Speaker 2: on a couple of times. And I did have somebody
Speaker 2: who worked for Pat Fitzgerald who stood up for him,
Speaker 2: spoke to him on Sunday night, strongly backed him. But
Speaker 2: you know, when I talked to him yesterday, I said, boy,
Speaker 2: that didn't take long. And he said it had gotten
Speaker 2: too far down the road that they had to fire him,
Speaker 2: all right. Eight seven to seven three DP show email
Speaker 2: address DP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at dp show.
Speaker 2: By the way, the students at Northwestern, you know, that's
Speaker 2: a wonderful journalism school, and they proved it by you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes you don't want to uncover something that's so close
Speaker 2: to you, like if you're a local columnist or reporter
Speaker 2: and you go against your big time football program, sometimes
Speaker 2: people will turn on you. And those students who did
Speaker 2: their job well done.
Speaker 8: Yes, right, If you're a seasoned vet, we'll say, as
Speaker 8: a college football reporter, you're likely friends with Pat Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1: You're not doing this, you're not writing this story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I I had somebody who worked covering a big
Speaker 2: time program. They're not a big time program anymore. And
Speaker 2: he said that sometimes you get too friendly, sometimes you
Speaker 2: get too close. Sometimes you don't want to be that
Speaker 2: guy that people will point at and say, you're the
Speaker 2: reason why we're on probation. So it gets tricky there.
Speaker 2: But these students did their job, all right. We'll get
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Speaker 2: We'll get some phone calls coming up. I, of course,
Speaker 2: was being a manly man on vacation, went to Montana,
Speaker 2: went fly fishing where we floated down the Wise River
Speaker 2: on rafts. Had a guide there. My guide, Kelly, kept
Speaker 2: telling us about he encounters bears, all kinds of wildlife.
Speaker 2: He would have elk, you know, the wolves. There were
Speaker 2: a lot of things involved there in Montana. And I
Speaker 2: probably misspoke yesterday where I was giving some of the
Speaker 2: advice that my guide gave me if we encounter a
Speaker 2: bear and we were going to have on a wildlife expert,
Speaker 2: is is doctor Tom Smith there with us? Ton uspt? Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, could be doing wildlife thing, but we thought
Speaker 2: we would have somebody there and see. The wolves kind
Speaker 2: of concerned me when a woman who was there in Montana,
Speaker 2: she drove me to the airport and she told me
Speaker 2: about these wolves that were really you know, there was
Speaker 2: quite a few of them and they had a lot
Speaker 2: of courage there. You know, they had no problem going
Speaker 2: up on the front porch and grabbing her dog. They
Speaker 2: eventually got the dog back, but you know, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is getting a little nervous here.
Speaker 8: Wolves are awesome though. They're like truly like majestic creatures.
Speaker 8: Have you watched us about like the way that they
Speaker 8: live as a pack?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess or whatever. They're tremendous.
Speaker 2: Yes, Tod the professor is with us all. Doctor Tom Smith,
Speaker 2: b YU, Professor of Wildlife Sciences. Doc, thank you for
Speaker 2: helping us. I may have misspoke yesterday of what you
Speaker 2: do when you encounter a bear, So if you could
Speaker 2: give us sort of what the philosoph is and maybe
Speaker 2: how it's changed over the years of what you do
Speaker 2: when you encounter a bear.
Speaker 9: Yeah, thank you for having me my pleasure. Well, the
Speaker 9: main thing I like to emphasize to people is number one,
Speaker 9: and this is before any of the advice on how
Speaker 9: to deal with a bear one on one is you
Speaker 9: really have no business in bear country without some way
Speaker 9: of dealing with them, meaning that you need to have
Speaker 9: bear spray or a firearm or some kind of determent,
Speaker 9: because if you have a bear that's determined to cause
Speaker 9: you harm, you've got to be able to tell it no,
Speaker 9: just one on one, that's not going to happen. So
Speaker 9: when we see the kind of desperate things people do,
Speaker 9: such as run from bears, climb trees, or even lay
Speaker 9: down and play dead, that's almost always because they don't
Speaker 9: have any option for dealing with the bear other than that. Okay,
Speaker 9: So number one, I wouldn't go in bear country. I've
Speaker 9: been in there for thirty some years. I've dealt with
Speaker 9: thousands of bears. I just don't give that option up
Speaker 9: to bears that if one of them gets menacingly aggressive,
Speaker 9: I've got to be able to stop it. So that's
Speaker 9: number one. Number two, the simplest thing you can do,
Speaker 9: which is without any deterrence, just in the case you
Speaker 9: don't have them, as hike with buddies like two or
Speaker 9: more people. Yellowstone Parks has at least three. My data
Speaker 9: from North America say you're pretty safe with two.
Speaker 2: But that means you just have to be able to
Speaker 2: outrun one of the two other guys with you, is
Speaker 2: what you're saying, Doc that like that, or use or use.
Speaker 9: Your underpowered gun to shoot one of them in the leg.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I was fishing in Montana and they have
Speaker 2: the bears there, so yeah, So if I encountered a
Speaker 2: brown bear or a black bear, is there a difference
Speaker 2: in what I'm supposed to do?
Speaker 9: Well? Certainly. So let's say after all you've done, you're
Speaker 9: with your friends, you're fishing along the room, but you're
Speaker 9: scattered out a little bit, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 9: here comes a brown bear or a black bear. Number
Speaker 9: one thing again is the ready you're deterrent, get your bear,
Speaker 9: spray off your hip, and then I would start backing
Speaker 9: away from the bear. Get away from it, give it
Speaker 9: some space. In many, many instances, the bear is just
Speaker 9: trying to go somewhere and you're in its way, So
Speaker 9: get out of its way and then continue to move.
Speaker 9: Don't run, but don't just stand there. And the reason
Speaker 9: why I say never stand there is because let's say
Speaker 9: on another occasion, you're around a corner, you get your
Speaker 9: rod out, you're fly fishing. You don't know that there's
Speaker 9: not a bison carcass in that creek and the bear's
Speaker 9: on it. You don't know that there's not two cubs
Speaker 9: hiding up in the brush. You standing there saying hey bear,
Speaker 9: hey bear, don't hurt me, or something like that. That
Speaker 9: just aggravates it. You need to get away from it.
Speaker 9: So get away from the bear, but do it in
Speaker 9: a determined manner.
Speaker 1: But not with speed.
Speaker 2: Which one climbs a tree, Doc.
Speaker 9: Well, I'll tell you what. I've seen brown bears up
Speaker 9: to thirty forty feet in the tree. So that strategy
Speaker 9: is a really bad one. I looked at Yeah, I
Speaker 9: looked at about one hundred and fifty tree climbers, and
Speaker 9: we can lay it to rest that trying to outclimb
Speaker 9: Olympic tree climbers, it's probably a bad strategy for you
Speaker 9: and your waiters with a fishing rock.
Speaker 2: Can I yell at them?
Speaker 9: Oh, you certainly can, and that will most times precipate
Speaker 9: a charge in.
Speaker 2: Then it attack. Can I know that they will attack
Speaker 2: me if I yell at him?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 9: That sort of sharp startle can trigger that kind of response.
Speaker 2: I got an experience with the Kommody bear. Are you
Speaker 2: familiar with the the spirit bear? Yes, And he was
Speaker 2: about ten to fifteen feet away from me accidentally, but
Speaker 2: he was interested in the salmon that were spawning. I
Speaker 2: was in British Columbia and he just looked at me. Now,
Speaker 2: if he wanted to kill me, he could have, but
Speaker 2: he just looked and I think he was curious. But
Speaker 2: he and he might have recognized me as being on
Speaker 2: TV and you know, being in Adam sandler movies Doc.
Speaker 2: But he decided he was going to go eat the salmon,
Speaker 2: so he didn't care. He had other things on his mind.
Speaker 9: I think I think something about this is important and
Speaker 9: people have a hard time wrapping their mind around it.
Speaker 9: Animals like bears, and you're talking about wolves earlier, they're
Speaker 9: real narrow and they're focus on what they eat and
Speaker 9: humans typically are not part of that. So they see
Speaker 9: you and they're kind of surprised and they're trying to
Speaker 9: size things up. That's a good time just to move
Speaker 9: on back to your question on black and brown. So
Speaker 9: black bear should never approach you.
Speaker 5: And when you.
Speaker 9: You know show some aggressive behavior to it, hopefully with
Speaker 9: some friends, it should run. If it doesn't run, now
Speaker 9: you've got a problem.
Speaker 10: Should should?
Speaker 9: I say, You've got it?
Speaker 2: What it is the most dangerous experience you've ever encountered?
Speaker 9: Sitting in a helicopter with two tranquilized bears that were
Speaker 9: waiting up and the pilot couldn't find a place to land.
Speaker 9: And I said, I said, Jim, these two were going
Speaker 9: parachuting with no parachute in about one minute because they
Speaker 9: were coming out of the drug.
Speaker 2: So that was not cool.
Speaker 9: Also, one other one, I chased a bear into the woods.
Speaker 9: I don't know. I was a junior team member and
Speaker 9: they said go after that one. It was a young bear,
Speaker 9: and I went after it and it was probably three
Speaker 9: or four hundred pounds. And when I got in there,
Speaker 9: I realized, you know, that's really still a very big animal.
Speaker 9: So that was a stupid thing to do. I don't
Speaker 9: know what they thought I was going to do is
Speaker 9: run it back to them. They had guns, they were
Speaker 9: going to tranquilize it. But huh, yeah, I won't do
Speaker 9: that again.
Speaker 2: Well, it's great to talk to you. Thanks for Yeah,
Speaker 2: thanks for enlightening on what to do when we encounter
Speaker 2: a bear. You know, next time that I encounter a bear,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll just call you when I've encountered the bear
Speaker 2: and then you could probably you know, help me put
Speaker 2: it on speakerphone and then you could guide me to safety.
Speaker 9: My line's always open or else. The backup is I'll
Speaker 9: read about.
Speaker 2: You and thank you, Doc, I appreciate it.
Speaker 9: Put it in the database.
Speaker 2: All right, Maybe you could speak you know at my
Speaker 2: funeral is doctor Tom Smith, b y you, professor of
Speaker 2: wildlife Sciences. Thank you, doc, thanks for joining us. There
Speaker 2: you go.
Speaker 8: Yes, see, so I think if I could give the
Speaker 8: cliffs Notes version of it, what we learned about how
Speaker 8: to handle a bear encounter is don't put yourself in
Speaker 8: that position in the first place.
Speaker 1: That's sort of what it sounds like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: Just you you can't be that big, that strong, that
Speaker 8: fast and be able to climb trees like that. That
Speaker 8: is just totally unfair. I can see, well, yes, but
Speaker 8: you're not six hundred pounds or whatever.
Speaker 2: Bears are not anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, they did call you the bear, though they did.
Speaker 2: That was my nickname, that name in high school, the bear.
Speaker 3: Yes, doctor Tomm may do some stand up on the
Speaker 3: side out there as you talk.
Speaker 1: He's crushing it.
Speaker 3: Hear what about that cougar?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me tell you about the time I'm in
Speaker 2: a helicopter with two bears that were tranquilized. Then they're
Speaker 2: waking up.
Speaker 5: Like that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had like a fishing shirt on and the
Speaker 3: glasses is ready to go.
Speaker 2: Heck with Fritzie doing stand up doctor Tom in the
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