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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunt's rutfresh Radio, bringing you the

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Speaker 1: case Smith and Tyler Jones.

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Speaker 2: This is Rotfresh Radio.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Casey Smith, and man, it is a

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Speaker 3: late season, but there is this thing going on where

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Speaker 3: the deer is still thinking about it. The rut can

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Speaker 3: still happen at any moment in time, and hunters around

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Speaker 3: the country seem to think that this is their week.

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Speaker 2: This is rough Fresh. Let's go what has happened in y'all?

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Speaker 3: This is rot Fresh Radio, brought to you by first

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Speaker 3: Light Gear. I'm your host, Casey Smith. Tyler Jones is

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Speaker 3: also your host, and he's also here with me. We've

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Speaker 3: been doing a ton of deer huntings, so it's been

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Speaker 3: kind of hard make this happen. In fact, we're recording

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Speaker 3: everything the day after Christmas, which is a wild time, right,

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Speaker 3: but there are still people hunting, including us.

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Speaker 4: In fact, none of them, none of them, nobody else

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Speaker 4: is working though.

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Speaker 3: When it's only people working after Christmas, here Yeah, that's right, man.

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Speaker 3: I think they're all just still drinking eggnog. But the

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Speaker 3: Element YouTube channel is not done putting out deer hunting

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Speaker 3: content where we are doing a ton of deer hunting still.

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Speaker 3: Actually just got back the day before Christmas from a

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Speaker 3: South Texas deer hunting adventure that was pretty sick. That'll

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Speaker 3: be up pretty soon, and a lot of more stuff

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Speaker 3: going on, maybe even some hog hunting pretty soon as well.

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Speaker 3: We never stopped hunting around here, which makes for fun times, man.

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Speaker 3: And I'm glad that there's other people that are like

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Speaker 3: this as well, because we got some pretty interesting folks

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Speaker 3: you interview today. But man, I know that like Christmas

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Speaker 3: is a weird thing because a lot of people just

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Speaker 3: either switch to waterfowl or just say it just hang

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Speaker 3: it up. I guess I think people just push until

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Speaker 3: it's timing year. Speaking a first live, that's what they

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Speaker 3: day where they were just hanging up all the everything

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Speaker 3: they're saying, Garrett in that post, I don't know who

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Speaker 2: They hit a bunch of you got on your first

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Speaker 2: A sick pattern out there. Are you gonna do any

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Speaker 4: I'd like to, but I think we need to ask

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Speaker 4: farmers I'm almanac if it's going to keep telling us

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Speaker 4: we just need some cold weather, somebody around me is like, well,

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Speaker 3: Well, technically, you know, the first day winter was just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is weird.

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Speaker 3: Always think about winter starting in November. Me too, for sure,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were just discussing this.

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Speaker 3: We had our heart first or second hard frost today

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Speaker 3: You know, the further north you go in the country,

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Speaker 4: One thing about our cameras right now is that they're

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Speaker 4: You know how like when people are like people talk

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Speaker 4: then that would just get back into good motion. Or Uh.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if like people are waterfowl hunting because people

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Speaker 3: that's called a social contagion.

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Speaker 2: You're familiar with social contagent.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm familiar with those two words, not together though.

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Speaker 3: So social contagion. One of the greatest examples is the

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Speaker 2: The new word for social contingents.

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Speaker 2: You got the fomo of you know, oh man, they're

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Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't know. I didn't think about the fact

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Speaker 2: I actually heard shotgun shots from my house this morning.

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Speaker 4: Who knows. There's I've seen ducks there on the lake.

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of different ways to explain how

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Speaker 3: I mean he was going to it. So it's kind

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Speaker 3: late October thing happened again this time of year. In fact,

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Speaker 3: Chris Brackett, which is an interesting character in the Honey World, right,

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Speaker 2: He's done some bad things, but so have I. He

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Speaker 2: kind of has this like thing about the full moon

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Speaker 2: it is the time for killing a big buck. So

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Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting. Yeah, And if nothing else,

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Speaker 3: He's putting some hype out there to get people excited

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Speaker 3: still because a lot of people aren't, and you still

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Speaker 3: should be if you using.

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Speaker 4: Social contagion, that's right, you know. I was thinking that.

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Speaker 4: You know, just one last note on this thing. I

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Speaker 4: got into a rutfest the other day you did in

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Speaker 4: the bottoms and this deer was actually we don't have

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Speaker 4: him on camera, and we've got two feeders running in

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Speaker 4: that area. That blows my mind. Dude, he has not

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Speaker 4: cared about feeders. He's just running. Yeah, And I think

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Speaker 4: it's the thing you see, We saw it. It's funny

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Speaker 4: you you don't see it in the planes as much.

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Speaker 4: It's like they have to eat up there because they

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Speaker 4: have to stay fat.

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Speaker 3: But like if you see the feeders dry up all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, it's like it's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: You need to be in the woods.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not over the feeder, but you need to be

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Speaker 3: in the woods around it because they're doing the thing.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I need to be in the woods.

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Speaker 2: Mighty time.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's actually see who we have got today around

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Speaker 2: We kind of know what's going on here in Texas,

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Speaker 4: Well, this week we are hearing from Danny Espino, one

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Speaker 4: who really gets after it on Texas Public Land, especially

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Speaker 4: Nick Schwartz as opposed to pants. He's going to be

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Speaker 4: all these guys. Let's get to it.

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Speaker 3: I've got my friend in fellow Texas public Land hunter,

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Speaker 3: Danny Espino on the line.

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Speaker 2: Danny, what's been going on?

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Speaker 7: Hey, k S, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome.

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Speaker 8: Man has been hunting hard, you know here in North

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that on Instagram a lot.

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Speaker 7: You.

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Speaker 3: Uh you're pretty actually pretty good follow because uh you're

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Speaker 3: always finding something cool or whatever and and uh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate how hard you get after it, man, And

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Speaker 3: I know it's been a long season, but it sounds

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Speaker 8: So I feel like they've kind of, uh where where

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Speaker 7: Scrapes right now. That's that's what I feel.

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Speaker 8: It's a good time to find a buck just coming

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Speaker 8: back to a scrape.

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Speaker 2: Are you running cameras and that's how you're kind of

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Speaker 8: I've been running a couple of cameras, but I have

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Speaker 8: a couple of my buddies that also run cameras, so

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Speaker 4: That's been kind of a common theme, uh, on some

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Speaker 4: me that that means maybe that deer are still open

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Speaker 8: I actually heard about it about two weeks ago, about

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Speaker 7: And just like you mentioned it, it could just.

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Speaker 8: Take that one hot dough come in, come in kind

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, how how would you capitalize this time of

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Speaker 8: I definitely capitalize looking for a fresh scrape line, maybe

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Speaker 8: you know, in a in a direction, and then put

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Speaker 8: a compound compounding feature upon that, maybe some dope betting

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Speaker 8: I think you'd be pretty you can capitalize on on

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Speaker 2: Dude, you're speaking our language of this compounding feature stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know what's up?

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Speaker 4: So the are you seeing anything hitting acron still?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 8: So where I'm where I'm at, And obviously I don't

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Speaker 7: Where I'm at.

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Speaker 8: We don't really see a good acorn uh production where

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Speaker 8: just whatever whatever resource they can really find.

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, yeah, gotcha.

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Speaker 3: So are you you're fixing to go out and uh

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Speaker 3: target dear pretty hard.

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Speaker 2: There here at the end of the season. Do you

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Speaker 3: Has eased up in the woods and you're able to

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Speaker 3: to just find just you know, nooks.

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Speaker 8: Oh, you're definitely having to find nios and crannies, because

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Speaker 8: I just think the pressure during the rut was so

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Speaker 8: I mean, I've been at one property, one public land.

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Speaker 8: It's been hit so hard that I can't even every

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Speaker 8: time I go out, I'm not seeing any.

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Speaker 7: Dose, which is really weird.

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Speaker 8: So it's been hit so hard that you really have

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Speaker 7: To know where they're.

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Speaker 8: Going to cross or where they're going to be at

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Speaker 4: Does that mean like it's pretty much always going to

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Speaker 4: still overlook spots?

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Speaker 8: Oh, they're definitely overlooks spots. It just depends on where

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Speaker 8: you're at. You just really have to know the property.

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Speaker 5: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Are you still spending time in the mornings right now

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Speaker 8: I would say I'm strictly a morning guy morning to midday.

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Speaker 8: I really don't like evenings, So if I'm not working,

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Speaker 8: I'm working, I'm getting right off midday and.

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Speaker 7: Going straight to the woods.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we don't have a lot of time, but

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Speaker 3: I want you to expand on the midday thought a

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Speaker 3: little bit because I think that's really interesting and probably

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Speaker 3: appealing to a lot of people, because if they were

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Speaker 3: just like, you know what, I could get a hunt

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Speaker 3: in from you know, eleven to three or something, they would,

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Speaker 3: of course, just.

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Speaker 8: Briefly on that midday thought. You can definitely you know,

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Speaker 8: you're coming in midday, you know, those deer are going

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Speaker 8: to know something's up and you can find a buck

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Speaker 8: just slipping by thinking that everybody's gone, and you come

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Speaker 8: in and you kill that buck.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good thought.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, if you're thinking about it based off

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Speaker 4: weather or even full moon or whatever else is going on, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: in the next week, what do you what do you

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Speaker 4: what would you rank buck movement in your opinion on

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Speaker 4: a scale of one to ten, What do you think

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Speaker 4: it's going to be.

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Speaker 7: I'd probably say about a seven.

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Speaker 4: Seven that it's.

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Speaker 2: Pretty high man. Yeah, yeah, that's exciting.

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Speaker 5: Dude.

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Speaker 2: Well, if it's a seven, then you are to be

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Speaker 2: killing this week, right, hopefully that's good man. Well, hey,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate all the good information.

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Speaker 3: Stay after it, dude. I know you work real hard

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Speaker 3: at it and it's cool to see it pay off.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Denny, Thanks Casey, Thanks Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Nick Schwartz here has been hunting in Oklahoma some on

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Speaker 3: some public ground, chasing the deer around.

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Speaker 2: Dude, what's going on right now?

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Speaker 6: What's up, fellas? Oh, you know, I'm just hanging out,

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Speaker 6: pouring over on X figuring out where I'm going to

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Speaker 3: That's good man, So we're going to get the Oklahoma

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Speaker 3: report from you.

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Speaker 2: But I'm always interested in people's strategy on this.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a bunch of stuff kind of pre

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Speaker 2: Or are you kind of starting fresh on that?

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Speaker 6: but things have definitely changed. So, uh, you know, coming

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Speaker 6: a chance around a hot dough. But this time of year,

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Speaker 6: I'm I'm taking advantage of the time to check out

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Speaker 6: and also revisiting some old spots and seeing what's going

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's cool. So you've been hunting Oklahoma

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Speaker 2: some what have you been targeting? Really? Is it food

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Speaker 6: It's it's really hard to target rutting gear right now.

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Speaker 6: It's a little bit of a wild card. So pretty

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Speaker 6: much been hunting food sources, which this year has been difficult.

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Speaker 6: Areas I've been hunting for It's been a pretty good

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Speaker 6: acorn year, so there's they're spread out, there's a there's

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Speaker 6: a lot of clear cuts, so wherever the winter week's

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Speaker 6: I've been targeting as well. All the leaves are off

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Speaker 6: thick stuff grows up. I've revisited a few spots from

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Speaker 6: early season where that were really active, and a lot

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Speaker 6: of them are fairly open and they've kind of dried

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Speaker 6: those leaves off the trees, I think they just feel

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Speaker 4: Are they feeding in that thicker cover? Are they just

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Speaker 7: Both?

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Speaker 6: I think they're feeding pretty close to bed, and the

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Speaker 6: bucks are still doing some some rut tight you know behavior,

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Speaker 6: mostly at night. They are making scrapes, and I've had

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Speaker 6: some some daylight action on scrapes as well. So it's

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Speaker 4: Is that scrape action in the morning or evening or

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Speaker 4: does it just random?

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Speaker 6: That's the tough part is it's been pretty random. I've

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Speaker 6: I've had this year has been kind of cool because

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Speaker 6: I've had cameras set up in areas that I know

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Speaker 6: get pressure, and I also have cameras that that are

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Speaker 6: set up in areas that aren't pressured, So I've been

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Speaker 6: and in those areas where I know hunters have been

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Speaker 6: in and out of quite a bit, myself included. Those

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Speaker 6: areas that are not getting pressured. I mean, you'll probably

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Speaker 7: It was.

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Speaker 6: Seventy degrees in the afternoon and I had I don't know,

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Speaker 6: maybe a one thirty one forty class buck out at

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Speaker 2: They just do weird stuff sometimes, man. Gosh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, I mean I think it's tough, but this

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Speaker 6: up and set all day because you just don't know

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00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 6: when they're going to show up.

444
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 3: So that sounds pretty terrible unless you have like seven

445
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 3: sandwiches in your pack. But I'm gonna kind of wondering

446
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 3: your strategy on on these late season setups. Are you

447
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 3: bouncing like every day to something new or do you

448
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 3: kind of have the I'm gonna sit this spot because

449
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 3: I know it's good and within five days of year

450
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 3: is going to come by.

451
00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 6: I think that depends on access how easily I can

452
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 6: get in and out of a spot. So if I

453
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 6: feel like I'm not blowing it up real bad, then

454
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,479
Speaker 6: I'll give it multiple sits. But it's also kind of

455
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 6: the time of year where I can swing for the

456
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 6: fences and try and get into those areas that it's

457
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 6: kind of a one and done because I know if

458
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 6: I get in there, I'm gonna be making noise. Now,

459
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 6: I might bring a buck in who's feeling territorial, but

460
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 6: if it doesn't work out, then that may be it

461
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 6: for a few days, so I might move on to

462
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 6: another area. So having quite a few spots earmarked to

463
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 6: know that, okay, once I do a sit here, then

464
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 6: if I you know, if I feel like I put

465
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 6: pressure on that area, then I'll hop to another spot

466
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 6: and let that spot rest. So that's where all the

467
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 6: early season, preseason and mid season scouting really comes in

468
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 6: handy if you have a lot of spots that you

469
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 6: can hop back and forth between.

470
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 4: Sure, so you know, looking forward next week. People get

471
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 4: real weird and kind of in their fields this time

472
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 4: of year because it's the end of the year and

473
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 4: they got to, you know, set their New Year's resolutions

474
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 4: and all this stuff. Right, we don't need any fluff here.

475
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 4: What on a scale of one to ten. Would you

476
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 4: rank buck movement in the next week.

477
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 6: If you had asked me last week, I would have

478
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 6: given you a two or three. But we had that

479
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 6: nice cold front come through on Christmas Day, and based

480
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 6: on what I've been seeing, I mean, my my cameras

481
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 6: are buzzing right now with deer moving on them, so spooky. Yeah,

482
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 6: I'd give it. Uh, I'd give it a six.

483
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 2: All right, man, I'll take a six. Last week in

484
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: December for sure.

485
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good time to be in the woods because,

486
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 6: like y'all you know mentioned it, people are either tagged

487
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 6: out or burnout. So on public land a lot of

488
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 6: times it's a ghost town in late December. And in

489
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 6: Oklahoma with an archery tag, I can hunt till January fifteenth.

490
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 6: So that's what I'm planning on doing.

491
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: All right, man, get after and appreciate the report. Dude,

492
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: it'll be kill a giant.

493
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 6: All right, guys, we all have a happy New Year

494
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 6: and enjoy some time off with your family if you

495
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 6: get it.

496
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: Now.

497
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 3: I've got Colin Marshall. He's been deer hunting in Maryland

498
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: over the Christmas holiday and doing all kinds of crazy stuff.

499
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 2: What's up, man, the Yelemen Boys.

500
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 7: Tyler Jones, Casey Smith, what's.

501
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: Going on, Hey, dude, just kind of in full recovery mode,

502
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: trying to die. Just a bunch of food because my

503
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: family likes to force feed us. You know, That's kind

504
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: of what happens this time of year. But we're always

505
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: thinking about deer hunting. Man, how are the woods in Maryland?

506
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 7: Oh?

507
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 9: Man, Well, I still have tags to fill us, So

508
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 9: in my opinion, they are still wild and wonderful, just

509
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 9: like the great state of West Virginia, except we're hunting Maryland.

510
00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 7: It ain't the.

511
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 9: Rut they are running around, for sure, but we are

512
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 9: not getting a lot of daylight activity, a lot of

513
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 9: you know, pre sunrise stuff from that, like you know,

514
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 9: five thirty to seven.

515
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 7: And then they're back to bed from there.

516
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 9: And then we caulked them in a good group coming

517
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 9: up right before sunset, and then you know, they peek

518
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 9: out of that woodline and then they work that timber

519
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 9: into the.

520
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 7: Ag fields from there. But once once shooting.

521
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 9: Light is over, you know, they kind of have come

522
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 9: into bow range at that point. So we're really really

523
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 9: working some strategies of pushing maybe off of the edge

524
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 9: of those bagg fields and really try.

525
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 7: To work more of those transition zones inside of the timber.

526
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 2: Got you what kind of agriculture are they hitting around now?

527
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 7: Right now on these fields?

528
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 9: Actually the farmers trying to replenish some nitrogen in the

529
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 9: soil between the monocropping that they do.

530
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 7: But we've got turn ups and some winter week that's

531
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 7: in there.

532
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 9: So depending on what the temperature is doing, and in

533
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 9: terms of incipitation, you know, sometimes they're really just hitting

534
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 9: what's inside the woods, but we can really get them

535
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 9: munching on on the edges of the fields too, just

536
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 9: depending on the precipitation of those temperatures.

537
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 4: When you say transition zones, what do you mean by that?

538
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 7: Going from bed to feed?

539
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 4: So what does it look like though.

540
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 7: In terms of those transition zones?

541
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, like is that I mean? Because the transition zone

542
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: could be you know, tall grass or tall timber or

543
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 4: medium timber, short timber, you know.

544
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 7: What what is?

545
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm talking, Yeah, I'm talking about I mean tall timber.

546
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 7: I'm talking wooded sections.

547
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 4: Gotcha.

548
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 9: So we hunt about one hundred and twenty acres in

549
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 9: north central Maryland and uh, it's about ninety percent Agfield

550
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 9: two big fields. It's a real nice drawl strip down

551
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 9: the middle of it, but it's surrounded by woods, and

552
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 9: so they're mainly betting down inside of the tall timber woods, uh,

553
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 9: and then moving through those zones depending on what the

554
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 9: wind's doing, and then out to those agfields if that's

555
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 9: really where they're drawn towards that fruits.

556
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: So this time of year, you know, cold fronts help

557
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: a ton in my experience. Now where you're at in

558
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 3: the country is on a much different weather pattern than

559
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: where we live and operate a lot. So right now

560
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: we're just in a great cold front where we are.

561
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: Is that how it is in Maryland? Or are you

562
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 3: still waiting on some of that cold weather.

563
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 9: We just crept out of a cold front actually, probably

564
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 9: about seven to ten days ago, and I went out

565
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 9: and sat and the action was pretty hot. It was

566
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 9: odd though, you know, there was one or two bucks

567
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 9: on the property that we're chasing, maybe one of those

568
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 9: fawns that have come into that late heat. But other

569
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 9: than that, the bucks have grouped up again, and I'm

570
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 9: kind of waiting for a split out, but I just

571
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 9: kind of holding out to watch that pattern to see

572
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 9: what they kind of do in terms of the cold

573
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 9: front though, I've got one coming in the first week

574
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 9: of January, and that's when I really look to get

575
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 9: back out there and watch the wind and see which

576
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 9: stands are going to be.

577
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 7: Going to be the best to sit. But but the

578
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 7: cold fronts in general.

579
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 9: Or what what really interests me gotch you in terms

580
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 9: of sitting in the woods is the cold doesn't bother me.

581
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: Man, So say plenty more. Man, that's good. You mentioned

582
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: the you know, not time being being a thing and

583
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: having a nocturnal movement. Uh do you think that since

584
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: we have the full moon right now, as that kind

585
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: of starts to wane, uh, you know in the next

586
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: week or two, is that going to help you with that?

587
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 7: I think that you're right on the waning side of it.

588
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 9: I mean, I think that that full moon they you know,

589
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 9: just being a wild and primal animal, they're they're definitely

590
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 9: paying attention to it. But I like to hunt the

591
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 9: front side of those and then right as it's waning out,

592
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 9: not like dead on in the full like it is today.

593
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 9: So yeah, and that next week when that cold front

594
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 9: swings through again and it's barely out of the thirties

595
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 9: during the day in the twenties at night and uh,

596
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 9: and that that moon is waning, that's gonna be a

597
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 9: real interesting time to to start putting down some strategy

598
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 9: inside of the woods.

599
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 4: So on a scale of one to ten in the

600
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 4: next week, what do you predict buck movement to be like.

601
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 7: Like when I'm sitting in the stand or are.

602
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 9: You talking about it when I'm watching them one camera

603
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 9: at night?

604
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: Well, let's just talk about overall twenty four hour period

605
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 4: buck movement.

606
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 7: I think it's pretty good on a one to ten. Shoot, man,

607
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 7: y'all always want the eight. I'm like, I'm gonna get

608
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 7: a seven and a quarter.

609
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: I actually would appreciate more two and threes, to be honest.

610
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 7: It's fun we're seeing them. I mean that's the thing.

611
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 9: Like, you know, I don't want to just you know,

612
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 9: play to whateverybody wants to hear. But you know, is

613
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 9: it is it, you know, keeping me up at night? Uh,

614
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 9: thinking about how much they're moving?

615
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 7: No? Is it? Is it keeping me up at night

616
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 7: about how much they're not moving?

617
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 10: No?

618
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 7: It's not. So it's you know, let's put it somewhere

619
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 7: in the middle there.

620
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, but I but I think it is

621
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 9: on the you know, on the higher side of a five.

622
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 7: So cool, dude.

623
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 3: All right, man, we really appreciate the report from Maryland,

624
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: and I hope y'all have a great risk of your

625
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: Christmas holiday.

626
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 7: Thank you. Happy holidays to you guys.

627
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 4: All right, on the phone, I've got Parker McDonald. He's

628
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: a good buddy of mine from Alabama. He's gonna give

629
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: us a report there. What's been going on.

630
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 10: Dude, Oh dude, just man, it was a it was

631
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 10: a very short but very very productive.

632
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 5: Season for me in Alabama this year.

633
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 10: And you know, I was I was out a lot,

634
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 10: like you guys like travel a lot during that November rut.

635
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 10: Our ruts in Alabama are pretty much all gonna be later,

636
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 10: and so I was out traveling and doing that kind

637
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 10: of stuff. And then came back and it was just

638
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 10: like it was on fire this year. So it's been

639
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 10: great in Alabama this season.

640
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 4: So, dude, I can't really trust that it was on

641
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: fire because you're just a good hunter. So you know,

642
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: like I mean, for the average guy, you know, like me,

643
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: it might not be on fire if I was out there. Whatever,

644
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 4: you got, crap, what's going on, dude?

645
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 10: It really here, here's the deal. Man, I've been telling

646
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 10: a lot of people about this, Like, yeah, I try

647
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 10: to be like studied up and I try to make

648
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 10: educated decisions every time I walk in the woods of

649
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 10: what I.

650
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 5: Think deer are going to do.

651
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 10: But seriously, this year, I have seen more people just

652
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 10: like people who are who might be considered like your

653
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 10: weekend kind of guys, your weekend warriors. Like consistently they

654
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 10: go on maybe Saturday and Sunday if they got a

655
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 10: good couple of days in there in the woods. They

656
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 10: they they've been coming out with deer's It's crazy, dude.

657
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 10: It's like, I don't remember last year if we talked much,

658
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 10: uh as far as the ret fresh stuff goes, but

659
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 10: last year was really weak, rut like it.

660
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 5: Was just not very good.

661
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 10: And it seems like maybe, and I'm not a biologist,

662
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 10: you know, this is just my best guess. It seems

663
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 10: like a lot of deer, a lot of bucks lived

664
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 10: last year, just very few people killed them around here

665
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 10: where I hunt at home. Uh, in Alabama. It was

666
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 10: just like if you killed something anything decent last year,

667
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 10: like you did something pretty special because just not very

668
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 10: many people were doing it. But it does seem like

669
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 10: a lot of those three and a half year olds

670
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 10: made it to four and a half, and so you're

671
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 10: just seeing guys killing four and a half type.

672
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 5: Year old deer.

673
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it's it's just been that's been unreal. It's

674
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 10: been a good season.

675
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 4: Well that's exciting.

676
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: I trust you more than maybe some of the other

677
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: people you're talking about anyway. So I think it's spot

678
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: on the money.

679
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 3: It's a I haven't thought about it much, but I

680
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: definitely can see that being a pausible thing.

681
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: You know.

682
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: So do you think that since potentially there was older

683
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: deer on the landscape, that those deer were a little

684
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: easier to kill or do you think that they're that

685
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: four year olds are still four year olds and you

686
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: still have to do the same stuff for him.

687
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 5: Oh?

688
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 10: Man, I think yes, and yes, I think I think

689
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 10: what you end up half happening.

690
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 5: Like you guys are from Texas, so you'll know, you'll

691
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 5: know this deal.

692
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 10: Like, just because deer is mature does not always mean

693
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 10: that they're just going to be that recluse, you know

694
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 10: what I mean. Like, you go a deer without much pressure,

695
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 10: you you're going to see a deer's true, uh true personality.

696
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 10: Maybe if that's what you want to call it. And

697
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 10: so I think I can't even remember who it was.

698
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 10: Somebody a lot smarter than me was talking about this,

699
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 10: this idea that you know, yeah, sure, most of the

700
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 10: big public land deer that we that we hunt, the

701
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 10: big mature deer going to be you know, kind of

702
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 10: reclusive and like back in their own little little space,

703
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 10: not really surrounded by the general population of deer. But

704
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 10: that's just because they live on public land, right, Like,

705
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 10: that's the ones that survived. The three and a half

706
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 10: year old social deer he got shot when he was

707
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 10: three and a half because he was out in the

708
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 10: green field, you know what I mean. Ye, And so

709
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 10: I think I think, yeah, they're they're great, They're awesome.

710
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 10: But I think what happened last year is the rut

711
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 10: was so lame. The dose just didn't really go into estrith.

712
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 10: That didn't seem like I saw a lot of loan doughs,

713
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 10: a lot of dough groups and does with fawns deer

714
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 10: in the rut last year, and it just seems like,

715
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 10: you know, there just wasn't anything to get these deer

716
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 10: up on their feet in the daylight. Like it was

717
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 10: just kind of like good luck you know, and so

718
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 10: a lot of these deer. You know, I shot a

719
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 10: five and a half year old buck my last buck

720
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 10: in Alabama last week. Five and a half years old

721
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 10: came out acting like he was three and a half

722
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 10: or two and a half, you know, just you know,

723
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 10: he was just I'm not going to say easier to kill,

724
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 10: but he was kind of easier to kill.

725
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, well they did, you know, And there's so many

726
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: variables in what causes them to act a certain way

727
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 4: for a certain number of hours, and whether that happens

728
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: at night or day and all this and that too.

729
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 4: So just like sometimes that five and a half year

730
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 4: old just gets to that point where he just is

731
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: crazy for a second, you know, which is exciting. So

732
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 4: you know, with that being said, you know, I mean

733
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: what you know, in a nutshell, what has been working

734
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: tactically speaking for you? Oh dude?

735
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 10: Uh, calling has been pretty pretty efficient this year, Like

736
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 10: grunting specifically. Man, it just seemed like this year coming

737
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 10: in at my first hunt in Alabama was November the

738
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 10: twenty seventh, I believe, and I think I filled my

739
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 10: last tag on the twelfth, if that we get three

740
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 10: buck tags on the twelfth of December, so in that

741
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 10: timeframe is when I killed all three of my bucks,

742
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 10: and nearly all three of them came into grunts or

743
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 10: or were Like the last one, that five and a

744
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 10: half year old that I heard, he was roaring. I've

745
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 10: never heard an Alabama buck do a buck roar, and

746
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 10: he did. He was shown enough did and ended up

747
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 10: like so like that that calling like really subtle grunts,

748
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 10: you know, nothing too crazy, with a little bit of noise.

749
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 5: Maybe scraped some trees. Man.

750
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 10: It just it seems like it worked this year. Yeah,

751
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 10: it worked several years, but it worked really well this year.

752
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: Are you doing that blind or are you seeing bucks

753
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 3: and doing that to them?

754
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 5: Both?

755
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: Really?

756
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 10: Yeah? I mean yeah, a lot of the times just

757
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 10: depending on the time of day that it is around

758
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 10: around that like nine o'clock nine thirty thermal shift, if

759
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 10: you want to call it that, when the thermals start,

760
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 10: you know, changing directions and moving up. Just seems like

761
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 10: that's when those bucks start getting real frisky and they

762
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 10: start getting on their feet, and so that's when I

763
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 10: start doing it. Sure, And it's usually like three or

764
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 10: four just little tending grunts with some scrape some tree limbs,

765
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 10: you know, that might be hanging up around me and

766
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 10: that downwind side of that. Like if you can be

767
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 10: in one of those type of situations where you can

768
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 10: see the down wind side, man, it's pretty moneys. Yeah,

769
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 10: especially if you've got a rifle in your hand too.

770
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 4: I can tell you that for sure. So you know,

771
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: in the next week, I know that there's a lot

772
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 4: of different ruts there in Alabama. Uh, maybe where you've

773
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: been hunting, or maybe you could tell us like a

774
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 4: region that would be like probably fix like fixing to

775
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 4: pop off in the next week or so in the rut.

776
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, here's the deal Alabama.

777
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 10: I may have talked about this on on this podcast before,

778
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 10: but Alabama kind of looks like a like a weather map,

779
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 10: like a hurricane system or storm system map. Eat that

780
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 10: for the rut When you look up our rut map,

781
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 10: that's what it looks like. And so literally in every

782
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 10: part of every region of Alabama, you're gonna have ruts

783
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 10: coming up.

784
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 5: In January.

785
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 10: I would say January is by far when the most

786
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 10: rutting activity happens in Alabama. But I mean you can

787
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 10: be in North Alabama, like literally on the on the

788
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 10: Tennessee line, there's places up there that are gonna be

789
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 10: rutting up into February. Wow, north northwest Alabama, it's gonna

790
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 10: be popping off right here, like right now. And so

791
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 10: you know, it's not like the Midwest for you can

792
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 10: just give like a general like, yeah, the bucks.

793
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 5: Will move the last week.

794
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, because thirty minutes away there is a dough in

795
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 10: heat right now for sure that's getting just dogged by

796
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 10: a bunch of bucks. Yeah. So I think for a

797
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 10: southern hunter or for a guy that wants to extend

798
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 10: his season and comes south, like, it's just a little

799
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 10: bitty tiny bit of research can really get you in

800
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 10: the in the right direction, headed in the right direction,

801
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 10: because you're if you go to the wrong spot and

802
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 10: you ain't find a rut sign, move thirty minutes north,

803
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 10: thirty minutes south.

804
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you might find it inspiring stuff.

805
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 2: Dude, all right, just pop off right here.

806
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: On a scale of one to ten, you're gonna rank

807
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: buck movement for the next week in Alabama.

808
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 10: What you say, I'm gonna say it's gonna be a Oh,

809
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 10: it's gonna be a ten somewhere next week.

810
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: That's the first one.

811
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: That's our first ten of the year.

812
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 4: Parker way to go.

813
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: Wait to go, dude.

814
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: This is the last year for Retfresh of the year

815
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: and you just gave it a ten.

816
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: Gosh, what a way to way to go.

817
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: So we appreciate it, dude, Thanks so much.

818
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: Parker, Hey, thanks for having me. Guys.

819
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: Well, y'all.

820
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: That wraps a year of Retfresh. It's been a lot

821
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: of fun. Got to talk to a lot of new people,

822
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 3: got to talk to a lot of old friends. Most

823
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: of all, I hope that Retfresh helped you be successful

824
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 3: this year or at least learn something, because honestly, Retfresh

825
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: doing these ret Fresh interviews helps me. I feel like

826
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: I have a better concept of like how deer hunting

827
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 3: is done in the US, and it's pretty fun. If

828
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 3: you're still out grinding, still getting it, we appreciate you, man,

829
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: because dad gum, if it isn't fun to just chase

830
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: deer as much as you possibly can, we appreciate you

831
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 3: listening as well. And if you do need a little

832
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: inspiration or you need a little bit of I don't know,

833
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: something to ponder. Dylan Trump has an article about how

834
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 3: to use hunting pressure to your advantage in the late season,

835
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: and it sounds like that's one of the things that

836
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: was a common theme this week. So if that resonated

837
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: with you, go check out that article. We'll link to

838
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: it below.

839
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: Big thanks to mister world famous Mark Kenyon for letting

840
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 4: us host this thing this fall. It's been fun. We

841
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 4: appreciate Mark his friendship and just the overall kind guy

842
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 4: he is to us, and also just a wealth of

843
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 4: knowledge when it comes to wilde tail hunting and especially

844
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 4: talking about photo period and those kind of things. Right Mark,

845
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 4: thank you. Also, there are two things I want you

846
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: guys to do before we get out of here. To first,

847
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: make sure you subscribe to the media channel and our

848
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 4: YouTube channel. So on YouTube you can subscribe to both

849
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: YouTube channels. One's called The Element one's mediator, because they're

850
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: going to be releasing new videos on those platforms periodically

851
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: pretty often from here until indefinite. And then the last

852
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: thing I want you guys to do is to go

853
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 4: and subscribe right now to our podcast, the Element Podcast.

854
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: I appreciate it, and you'll be hearing more from us

855
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 4: when you do that. We come out with a weekly

856
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 4: podcas guests, so this doesn't have to end. Appreciate all

857
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:12,000
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