Speaker 1: The closet, that scene in the closet that was so
Speaker 1: famous and again, and I think I wrote about it,
Speaker 1: I kind of understood. I know that there was like
Speaker 1: you chose violence or someone chose violence. I kind of
Speaker 1: understood you being pissed off if someone was in your
Speaker 1: closet and what else is going on? Which is always
Speaker 1: the thing about reality TV. You come into a scene,
Speaker 1: you haven't slept, you're upset, something else happened. All they're
Speaker 1: doing is crystallizing this scene is if oh, you're at
Speaker 1: a lunch, Why would you act that way at a lunch?
Speaker 1: But a lot of other things are going on. So
Speaker 1: that scene was very like pivotal on the show. It
Speaker 1: was like a big thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know why it was such a big thing.
Speaker 2: This is what I let me tell you about that day.
Speaker 2: So the day before my husband was admitted to the
Speaker 2: hospital with cancer. I said to the producers, I don't
Speaker 2: think I should, you know, shoot this scene. Were doing
Speaker 2: what we call a biwig party, meaning everybody must take
Speaker 2: out of their wigs and their extensions and come with
Speaker 2: your own natural hair.
Speaker 3: So that was the party I was throwing.
Speaker 2: Yep, And my husband just got admitted to the hospital.
Speaker 2: We were really down about Greg going to the hospital.
Speaker 2: He had cancer. They just told us that he has cancer.
Speaker 2: He'd been going back. Yeah, he had been going back
Speaker 2: and forth and we didn't know what he had, right,
Speaker 2: so they admitted him. I told production, I don't think
Speaker 2: I should have this party. Well, they were gun home
Speaker 2: having the party because it was an all cast scene
Speaker 2: and they already planned for all the girls to be
Speaker 2: at my house with this particular scene, right, And so
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think this is a good thing.
Speaker 2: They said, do it. I called Greg. I wanted to
Speaker 2: know how he felt I want to have. Can I
Speaker 2: go ahead and do this thing? Because they're really pushing
Speaker 2: me to do it? He said, fine, do it. I said,
Speaker 2: you know, we all have a producer that's assigned to us, right,
Speaker 2: And I say to my producer, listen, you guys can film.
Speaker 2: I just don't want anybody to go into my closet.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: They promised me no one would go into my closet.
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you they.
Speaker 1: Because you said it, Because you said don't touch like
Speaker 1: to a little kid, don't touch that cookie.
Speaker 2: They told those girls to do it, and they were
Speaker 2: telling them to do it at a time when they
Speaker 2: also knew that I was at my lowest at that point.
Speaker 2: They knew that Greg was in the hospital with cancer,
Speaker 2: and they knew that. Honestly, we probably shouldn't have done
Speaker 2: that all cast scene at my house. My husband is
Speaker 2: in the hospital with freaking casts and dying, Like, why
Speaker 2: are we still doing this scene? Who doesn't care about
Speaker 2: how I'm feeling right now. The craziest thing is, after
Speaker 2: that whole scene happened, I get a call. Do you
Speaker 2: think you want to take a couple of days off? Nah, bitch,
Speaker 2: I should have took a couple of days off before
Speaker 2: the scene, not mesage.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but it wasn't as bad as it looked.
Speaker 2: I think they tried to make it look bad, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't that bad. So the guy who at the
Speaker 2: camera's a big ass guy, right, and I grabbed his
Speaker 2: T shirt. But the way they put it out to
Speaker 2: the world was made it look if I did something
Speaker 2: to him, like if I beat him or hit him.
Speaker 2: I never hit anybody ever since I've been on the
Speaker 2: show as a housewife, from day one to this.
Speaker 3: Day, I never hit anyone.
Speaker 2: It was all of these reports about she hit the
Speaker 2: camera guy and then there were reports about she fought Kim.
Speaker 3: Okay, where.
Speaker 2: Roll the footage, please, they don't have it.
Speaker 1: It was in that van that they were saying it right.
Speaker 1: It was like you guys were going. You were in
Speaker 1: some van going somewhere. I remember, but I can't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the only physical thing I can ever remember was the
Speaker 1: weave pull on the street.
Speaker 3: And that wasn't me.
Speaker 1: No, I know.
Speaker 2: I always that it was Sharai and Kim, but people
Speaker 2: always said it was me. Really, people will always say
Speaker 2: you pulled to Kim's wig? You did, I said. I
Speaker 2: never had a physical altercation on the show.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The other thing is I felt like it was so
Speaker 2: blown out of proportion with the camera guy when there
Speaker 2: was so many This is where I think that we
Speaker 2: get different treatment, and we get there's just a difference
Speaker 2: in how we're treated because there's so many girls that
Speaker 2: are doing things. You had Teresa flipping a table, you
Speaker 2: Hadtersa pushing Andy down, you had girls busting glasses. You
Speaker 2: got people doing all kinds of stuff, but me grabbing
Speaker 2: the camera guy's shirt. Every they act as if it
Speaker 2: was so freaking major. Do you know this guy never
Speaker 2: said one thing? The camera guy.
Speaker 1: To this day to this day like he had. He
Speaker 1: wasn't big of a deal to and he would have,
Speaker 1: by the way.
Speaker 3: He didn't even care. He was over there laughing, he
Speaker 3: didn't care about it.
Speaker 2: Everybody was talking about it like I had really done something,
Speaker 2: and I was like.
Speaker 3: This is crazy. They elevate.
Speaker 2: I personally think when the brown girls do something, it
Speaker 2: is much more elevated than when you nice vanilla looking
Speaker 2: girls are doing something. You know, I don't feel like
Speaker 2: it's the same. They're those to me, those girls are
Speaker 2: over there pulling each other's wigs, are bursting glasses, pushing
Speaker 2: each other, like we don't push each other.
Speaker 1: Certainly, you're saying it's tight, and it is so when
Speaker 1: you read all of that, which you've read a million things.
Speaker 1: But when you're reading all that, how do you receive it?
Speaker 1: How are you in dealing with the bad press? And
Speaker 1: like when you're going do you take? I feel like
Speaker 1: you take the bait. I feel like you comment a lot,
Speaker 1: and I feel like you talk a lot of times.
Speaker 1: I hear you, like talking about like some other girl
Speaker 1: that was on the show with you, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why is she talking about the person just giving that
Speaker 1: person air? Why didn't bother like responding to it like
Speaker 1: you're trying to kill every bug in Manhattan. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: think in.
Speaker 2: The beginning, you kind of respond because you don't know
Speaker 2: what else to do. And then as time goes on
Speaker 2: and seasons roll by, your skin gets thicker and thicker,
Speaker 2: and you learn to a girl, I'm not responding to that.
Speaker 3: I'm only helping you.
Speaker 2: I wish I would respond to that, or I might
Speaker 2: respond to this. I think you get more strategic on
Speaker 2: when to respond and when not to respond. And besides,
Speaker 2: my skin is very thick, so you know.
Speaker 1: No. But like if you're you're on Carlos King, I
Speaker 1: forgot it was. But he's asking you about specific people,
Speaker 1: and you're talking about those specific people, and you know
Speaker 1: they're gonna come back, and you're gonna live three more
Speaker 1: weeks of pressed when they say the thing back to you,
Speaker 1: and you just sometimes I think you like it, or
Speaker 1: sometimes just like fuck it, I'm gonna slap somebody.
Speaker 3: But that's again, that's me keeping it one hundred.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say. That was keeping you
Speaker 1: one hundred. Yeah, that's how you hear asked the question
Speaker 1: you're answering. That's what I think too. Yeah, I got it,
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that people want to see nanny
Speaker 2: leaks in an interview not being mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, being no, But you can answer it without fully
Speaker 1: going all the way in and you go, you go
Speaker 1: like you know, like I think she's boring, Like you'll
Speaker 1: say that, well back then.
Speaker 3: Now I don't got it.
Speaker 2: Now I think I say she's lukewarm or something else
Speaker 2: instead of like you keep boring, right, yeah, because.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's crazy. I feel like they hear me,
Speaker 3: and and sometimes I don't know they hear me. They
Speaker 3: hear me.
Speaker 2: Wait, what do you mean when whenever I say something,
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm I'm so hurt. But in certain situations, yeah,
Speaker 2: like if I'm talking about the girls, then I'm so heard.
Speaker 1: Like no, I don't understand what you're saying. Like if
Speaker 1: I said, like you you want to send the message
Speaker 1: to them, you're saying.
Speaker 2: If I say somebody is boring, I feel like everybody
Speaker 2: here that I.
Speaker 3: Just said that.
Speaker 2: Of course, but that's what the sayings that are more
Speaker 2: important than they don't hear it.
Speaker 1: Of course, because that's what they're looking for. It's like
Speaker 1: you're looking for looking for a horoscope that applies to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so when you say
Speaker 1: and I get it because you say something and you're
Speaker 1: giving it oxygen and then they're going to say it back,
Speaker 1: and then you're back on the housewise without being paid
Speaker 1: to be back on the housewives. So I think about
Speaker 1: that with you. But I also recognize once in a
Speaker 1: while you want to slap somebody like I. I. You know,
Speaker 1: once in a while you want to you know.
Speaker 3: I am. I'm really okay with all the girls.
Speaker 2: So you have a good relationship with the girls. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say good relationship. I don't have any It's clean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't have any beef.
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny? No? If you watch, I watch.
Speaker 3: But I feel like they still have beef with me.
Speaker 3: Is weird?
Speaker 1: Yes, But I I think that with housewives it's like
Speaker 1: a silent tennis match. You watch them hit a ball
Speaker 1: through the press and say something bad about you, But
Speaker 1: the next time, if you say something nice about them,
Speaker 1: you watch them hit back a softer ball like yeah,
Speaker 1: you watch the ball moving around cross franchises. I see
Speaker 1: a housewife from Marrange County saying something about me someone
Speaker 1: like you watch everybody subtly fucking each other in the
Speaker 1: whole France. I mean, let's be honest, it's a constant fucking.
Speaker 1: It's it's the most competitive space you can imagine it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, is there any city that's not completely cut
Speaker 1: throat and completely competitive and completely jealous any of them? No? Right,
Speaker 1: Like it's designed that way though, exactly with the money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the glam who gets invited on the trips, who's in
Speaker 1: the center holding the piece of fruit, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: So there's no let's just not let's call it what
Speaker 1: it is. It's a very very it's it's the Hunger Games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so every time it's very designed, and every woman is
Speaker 1: in there to end and they're fighting for one person.
Speaker 1: They could pretend they're fighting for other people, but they're
Speaker 1: fighting for them. Everybody gives Kyle the queen title that
Speaker 1: they're doing that because they're kissing the ring and they
Speaker 1: don't want to be hated. And the next season it
Speaker 1: flips upside down and yeah, it's it's the whole thing
Speaker 1: that is very atlantic. That's you know, right, it's just
Speaker 1: like give and take and she's my best friend and
Speaker 1: then I hate her, and it's just what that is
Speaker 1: and that's not that's not real in real life. You
Speaker 1: can have good relationships with women in real life. And okay,
Speaker 1: so now there's all this. So first of all, you're acting.
Speaker 1: You're on Glee, You're like a real actress, and this
Speaker 1: is happening off season when you're off the Housewives, like
Speaker 1: you're still doing Household.
Speaker 2: You're also realize on Glee, New Normal, Broadway, Sinderella, Chicago.
Speaker 1: Like, give a real career, a real acting career.
Speaker 3: I had a residency in Vegas Zumanity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And were you making good money acting like you
Speaker 1: felt like it was a real career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like it was okay money. I don't
Speaker 2: feel like it was.
Speaker 1: But was it in your mind? Were you like planning
Speaker 1: to sort of exit Housewives and be an actress like
Speaker 1: you could that was gonna be your full career Like
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: Hoping that's what I was going to do. But it
Speaker 3: didn't work.
Speaker 1: Out like that. But you were on a path to that, right,
Speaker 1: I thought. I was Okay, didn't you get your own show?
Speaker 1: Someone working with you said you had your own show?
Speaker 1: Weren't you given a show or you were on a series?
Speaker 2: I was only I had my own show as far
Speaker 2: as my wedding, like you you know wedding.
Speaker 1: No, but you were on Gleam. Were you not on
Speaker 1: another series?
Speaker 3: Or is that a New Normal?
Speaker 1: Oh? New Normal was like a real good part. Also, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I remember. You were on New Normal. Okay,
Speaker 1: and you leave the Housewives, but you were first a friend.
Speaker 1: So how was told to me? Was that like a
Speaker 1: friend of the show, you were going to be on
Speaker 1: seven to ten a peer?
Speaker 3: I was told I was always a housewife.
Speaker 1: Okay. I was told the reason you left was because
Speaker 1: you were negotiating. They were only going to give you
Speaker 1: a certain number, but it was for a big number
Speaker 1: of money, like what I was getting paid when I
Speaker 1: came back, like a big per episode, and you didn't
Speaker 1: want that, so you walked.
Speaker 3: You mean in the end, towards.
Speaker 1: The end, That's what I was told, something to that effect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the end, when you were.
Speaker 3: Giving that I was gonna be given a big sum
Speaker 3: of money.
Speaker 1: No, in the end, when you were leaving, they were
Speaker 1: willing to you were you were battling about money, and
Speaker 1: then they agreed that they would give you a certain
Speaker 1: like finite number of episodes. I forget if it was
Speaker 1: seven to ten, a finite number, but for a good
Speaker 1: paycheck each one, so it was still gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of money. And you said, fuck that, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I was given less and less and less episodes every season,
Speaker 2: and when I decided to leave, I think it was
Speaker 2: down to six episodes.
Speaker 1: You were given six guaranteed episodes, yes, and you decided
Speaker 1: to leave, And why do you think you were given
Speaker 1: less episodes? And what was your thought in deciding to leave?
Speaker 1: Like what was that whole chapter about? Because I was
Speaker 1: just watching it from the outside.
Speaker 3: My thoughts in leaving were okay.
Speaker 2: It felt like I was being phased out. I didn't
Speaker 2: underst stand why I was given less and less episodes,
Speaker 2: and I was asking why am I given less and
Speaker 2: less and less every season and everyone else is getting more?
Speaker 2: And I was constantly being told by the executives in
Speaker 2: the offices that I was unhappy.
Speaker 3: And I don't know how you tell a person they're unhappy.
Speaker 1: Like you were reading unhappy on the show. I guess
Speaker 1: they were.
Speaker 3: Saying, I guess. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think it was the audience turning on you.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like the audience was I feel like
Speaker 2: the audience have always loved to hate me.
Speaker 3: I think they've always had.
Speaker 1: A love, yeah, and love and hate relationship with me.
Speaker 3: Both both we love her, hat her, we love her.
Speaker 3: We ha we love her? You know kind of like that.
Speaker 1: So you felt like you were getting demoted and iced
Speaker 1: out of something that you started.
Speaker 2: Uh, of course? And again I go back to why
Speaker 2: And I'm an original, the only original house life on
Speaker 2: the show, and all the other original housewives on their
Speaker 2: shows all white women, and they're all given full episodes,
Speaker 2: and I'm the only black original on my show and
Speaker 2: I was given less. I'm given six, they're all given eighteen.
Speaker 2: Why And the only answer you can give me is
Speaker 2: you to tell me that I am unhappy?
Speaker 3: How do you know I'm unhappy? Are you inside of
Speaker 3: my body? Well?
Speaker 1: How can you negotiate with them when they're demoting you
Speaker 1: and you were trying to get a certain amount of
Speaker 1: money but they have all the leverage? Like what was
Speaker 1: that whole experience? Like, like what do you what's going on.
Speaker 2: The experience of when I got the call to say.
Speaker 1: What season was that? Like three seasons ago, like thirteen
Speaker 1: or something somewhere I forget like.
Speaker 2: Thirteen I think, well, okay, okay, well I feel like
Speaker 2: this was a very important time in black lives. It
Speaker 2: was Black Lives Matter movement. I'm an original housewife. I
Speaker 2: should be there. This is an important time. And I
Speaker 2: was basically told, flat out told, we need you to sit.
Speaker 3: Out this season, is what I was told.
Speaker 1: But that's like what they did with Derinda with a pause.
Speaker 1: She was drinking a lot this season before she seemed
Speaker 1: I guess, very angry, and she was unhinged, and so
Speaker 1: they like give her a pause. There are these arbitrary
Speaker 1: decisions that are like you're now a friend, you're off,
Speaker 1: then you come back in like it's very you know,
Speaker 1: it's the realm. The head of the realm, oz And
Speaker 1: I guess oz is Andy and Bravo are moving all
Speaker 1: the pieces around in the franchise and deciding that Ramon
Speaker 1: is now a friend, Luand's a friend. But you get
Speaker 1: to come back in Phedra. You did something terrible and
Speaker 1: said that you that Candy was I need to see
Speaker 1: what that was. Oh no, no, no, I'm saying, but
Speaker 1: that's how I'm seeing that. Like they're moving all these
Speaker 1: pieces on the chessboard, so right now you're a chess
Speaker 1: piece and you're being moved out. It's your turn to
Speaker 1: sit out this round. So so you said, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not coming back at all. I'm done. I'm out.
Speaker 2: The final decision came. I said I was gonna take
Speaker 2: the six episodes, is what I said. In the end,
Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to go ahead and take it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Was that because of finances? Was? What was that reason?
Speaker 2: Not for finances, I don't think it's at that time. No,
Speaker 2: it was because my team was saying do it. My
Speaker 2: husband was saying, you know, you know you're great. When
Speaker 2: you get on the show, You're six episode will probably
Speaker 2: turn into ten or fifteen.
Speaker 3: Because you know you're great. You're gonna be great, You're
Speaker 3: gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: But that in build, I must feel very sad for you,
Speaker 1: like started it and you're like Sneeny leaks and you're
Speaker 1: very popular and it loves you, and now you're being
Speaker 1: demoted and like you're in the I wanna think.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand why it was happening. And in the end,
Speaker 2: the reason I made the decision that I don't, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna be able to take these six episodes. It
Speaker 2: was during the Black Lives Matter movement. I got on
Speaker 2: the phone with the executives and they wanted me to
Speaker 2: come for Candy is what they said. They wanted me
Speaker 2: to We want you.
Speaker 3: To get Candy.
Speaker 1: And what does that mean?
Speaker 3: Get her?
Speaker 1: I mean, but what was their reasoning and what did
Speaker 1: they have on her?
Speaker 3: I think we had.
Speaker 2: Maybe some issues maybe the season prior to and they
Speaker 2: wanted me to make sure that I confront her and
Speaker 2: I addressed her and all that stuff, and I said, no,
Speaker 2: I really don't want to do that. This is Black
Speaker 2: lives matter, and I don't want to do that. And
Speaker 2: I didn't do it. I felt like it was black
Speaker 2: lives matter. I should have been there. They were trying
Speaker 2: to push me out of time that was very important
Speaker 2: in the black culture. And also they wanted me to appear.
Speaker 2: If I appeared that season, they needed me to argue
Speaker 2: with Candy, and that was not something I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: So you made the decision to leave the show. And
Speaker 1: how long after that did you I don't know the story.
Speaker 1: I guess you sued them, you sent them papers. What
Speaker 1: happened after that? What were you doing? Were you still acting? Like?
Speaker 1: What was that moment You're off the show? What are
Speaker 1: you doing now, there was a lot going on. It
Speaker 1: was during the pandemic. Right during the pandemic, there was
Speaker 1: a lot going on. I was trying to have conversations
Speaker 1: like with the executives or I wanted to talk through
Speaker 1: like why was this happening? Why did all these things
Speaker 1: happen to me?
Speaker 2: There were a lot of things happening that you just
Speaker 2: don't know about. But like racism, you're talking about because
Speaker 2: there was a lot of things happening to me, unfair treatment.
Speaker 2: Well no, I just mean that it was a lot
Speaker 2: of unfair treatment happening to me at.
Speaker 1: That time or during your own history that you were reflecting.
Speaker 2: During a period of years things were happening. For instance, Okay,
Speaker 2: let me give you an example. We are cast of
Speaker 2: black women and we have a white woman on our show.
Speaker 2: She doesn't travel, we travel, she doesn't shoot, we shoot.
Speaker 3: So there was there's a lot of different treatment happening
Speaker 3: on the show.
Speaker 2: And I was more of the outspoken one, the one
Speaker 2: that was in the front, like me and the girls
Speaker 2: would talk about it and then we would say, you know,
Speaker 2: it's unfair that Kim doesn't have to take any cast trips,
Speaker 2: Like none of us want to take cast trips.
Speaker 3: Right, and she wasn't taking cast trips.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: The only trip Kim took that I can remember is
Speaker 2: to Miami. Our cast went to Miami, and she went
Speaker 2: on that trip. In fact, when Kim walks off of
Speaker 2: the show, we're all sitting there talking to her about
Speaker 2: why didn't you You gave us these dates to go
Speaker 2: on these cast trips. You said you would be available,
Speaker 2: and you're not available. Kim did not go on cast trips,
Speaker 2: only the Black girls. I felt that over the years
Speaker 2: that I was treated differently than.
Speaker 1: That's right, right, okay? And what did they say to that, Like,
Speaker 1: what was the response?
Speaker 3: I don't know their response.
Speaker 2: Because I've worked with this company for a very long time.
Speaker 3: I had issues.
Speaker 2: You would think that someone there would have said, let's
Speaker 2: pick up the phone and talk to her and see
Speaker 2: what's happening. They never picked up the phone. Oh, let's
Speaker 2: discuss why I ever wanted to speak to me.
Speaker 1: To this day, you haven't spoken to anyone about You
Speaker 1: haven't spoken to you haven't spoken to Andy or anyone
Speaker 1: about So when's the last time you spoke to Andy
Speaker 1: or someone from Bravo. This feels like this was a
Speaker 1: long this was in the last three years. You're saying
Speaker 1: this whole thing because.
Speaker 3: It feels like and probably was three years.
Speaker 1: So three years ago, you leave the show, you file
Speaker 1: an action that's still going on. It's a case or
Speaker 1: what is it called.
Speaker 3: This is a complaint.
Speaker 1: You have a complaint and it's still going on. And
Speaker 1: I've heard that it's back and forth, and it felt
Speaker 1: it feels like it was abrupt, like you leave and
Speaker 1: then when does this all come? And then they would
Speaker 1: say or someone would say, why didn't you file it earlier?
Speaker 1: Like are you a disgruntled employee? That type of thing.
Speaker 2: So no, I'm not a disgruntle employee because I was
Speaker 2: bringing my complaints all all the time. Oh it wasn't
Speaker 2: like I just decided, oh, I'm leaving and now I'm
Speaker 2: going to complain about all these things I was, which
Speaker 2: is why I believe I was given less and less
Speaker 2: episodes because I made complaints a lot over the years.
Speaker 2: If there was something that did not look right or
Speaker 2: sound right to me, I would bring it up right.
Speaker 1: And so let's just get this clear. So you're because
Speaker 1: I want this so you because it was backwards, So
Speaker 1: basically for years, you're complaining about things that just on
Speaker 1: the day to day don't seem correct, right, and then
Speaker 1: you start to get demoted, yes, and you feel like
Speaker 1: it's personal and you feel like it's related.
Speaker 3: It's personal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's different, Okay, so that's where you're So.
Speaker 2: I feel like I was on the front line. And
Speaker 2: when I say, I was on the front line.
Speaker 1: But you also always kept it one hundred.
Speaker 3: I was like, right, I am like.
Speaker 2: I felt like the leader for the girls, so they
Speaker 2: will all get together. For years, we were all on
Speaker 2: the same text message. We had a housewife Georgia.
Speaker 1: Peach text message without Kim.
Speaker 2: Without Kim okay, and everybody would come in in the thing,
Speaker 2: and I felt like, Okay, if this is an issue,
Speaker 2: I'll be the one to call and tell them. And
Speaker 2: I would always be the one to call and tell them,
Speaker 2: and thinking me, I'm just thinking, the girls are gonna
Speaker 2: support me when I make these complaints for them, But
Speaker 2: there were times when they didn't support me. But you
Speaker 2: guys know you made the complaints. I mean, like I
Speaker 2: had your text messages.
Speaker 1: Have they validated any of your feelings, your experience, or
Speaker 1: any of us or have they just in text messages
Speaker 1: they have they have, so I remember, I think you
Speaker 1: were there. I think that the Housewives franchise went from
Speaker 1: the Old Guard to the New Guard and changed. For me,
Speaker 1: it was the Andy Cohen baby shower. And it's gonna
Speaker 1: sound crazy, but I was invited by Kyle and Okyle
Speaker 1: hosted it. Maybe was it you? And two girls did
Speaker 1: it with her? Yeah, me and Kyle and one other girl,
Speaker 1: VICKI something like, okay, so.
Speaker 3: I'll pay like five grand or something.
Speaker 1: So yes, he is show exactly. So Kyle invites me
Speaker 1: and which is very nice, and I'm in La and
Speaker 1: I'm doing an appearance. But I could have made it,
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to go because my feeling was
Speaker 1: that it was going to be like a dog and
Speaker 1: pony show, everybody trying to kiss the ring and trying
Speaker 1: to like, you know, Andy's the Dawn, Andy's the Charlie
Speaker 1: and all the angels are going to come in. And
Speaker 1: what I really did hear from the feedback and what
Speaker 1: I saw from the media that it was like the
Speaker 1: old Girl, the older girls, the originals were like there
Speaker 1: and sort of part of it, but they were a
Speaker 1: little older. They were like seniors and the new girl
Speaker 1: all you know, they were like seniors, and the new
Speaker 1: girls were all sort of like in the background, wanting
Speaker 1: to be at the cool table, the cafeteria table, and
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills was now wasn't the peach, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: the apple. Beverly Hills was now like the shining diamond,
Speaker 1: and they were like up on the table getting all
Speaker 1: the attention, get up and dance, and like he was.
Speaker 1: They were the favorites then, and it just felt like
Speaker 1: everybody was trying to get the most pressed, the most attention,
Speaker 1: the most be Andy's favorite, And it kind of represented
Speaker 1: the whole experience for me, which is like you're the
Speaker 1: most popular if you get asked on watch what Happens Live,
Speaker 1: or you sit in the seat, or you sit next
Speaker 1: to Andy, or you sit there, and it feels like
Speaker 1: the whole chessboard has always been sort of played and
Speaker 1: operated to make us all think that about each other
Speaker 1: and wonder it's like that one event represented the whole thing,
Speaker 1: because no one needs a baby shower to be people
Speaker 1: wasted for five days hungover dancing on table, Like but
Speaker 1: do you see where I'm coming from at all? I
Speaker 1: do understand what you saying, Like some girls feel like
Speaker 1: they're the losers at the loser table, I mean, and
Speaker 1: they want to get his attention and hopefully he'll notice them.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it's.
Speaker 3: Like, Yeah myself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So were you close with Andy? Do you consider him
Speaker 1: to be a good friend of yours? No, you say
Speaker 1: that now or you always do that.
Speaker 2: My good friends, I go to their house or I
Speaker 2: visit their home at some point. So I never visited
Speaker 2: his home, so I would have to say no. I
Speaker 2: don't feel like we were good friends. I feel like
Speaker 2: we were colleagues. Probably a little bit more than that,
Speaker 2: because I could call him on his sale. I have
Speaker 2: gone out with him out on the town, and I've
Speaker 2: gone drinking with him, and I've partied with him, and so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit more than colleagues.
Speaker 1: But the whole way, you kind of knew where it stood,
Speaker 1: you feel like from the beginning, because it's not right.
Speaker 2: I did not know where it stood.
Speaker 3: I not know.
Speaker 1: It's where did you think it stood? And where do
Speaker 1: you think it stands?
Speaker 2: Up? I thought we had a good relationship. I thought
Speaker 2: we had a good relationship.
Speaker 1: And why don't you think like he do you feel
Speaker 1: like he has the power and he's in control of
Speaker 1: the things that you were bringing to Bravo. Or he's
Speaker 1: just a pawn in the whole machine, like what part
Speaker 1: does he play? Or you can't play stupid and smart.
Speaker 1: You can't be the boss and then play dumb, Like
Speaker 1: where do you think he fits in the whole thing?
Speaker 3: He fits in at the top.
Speaker 1: He fits in at the top, and.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 2: Like you said maybe, like I don't know. He's at
Speaker 2: the top, and he is moving everybody around on the board.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a a real game.
Speaker 1: It's like a real game. Yeah, And because there are
Speaker 1: always questions who texts you the most, who do you
Speaker 1: text the most? And there, and the thing is we're
Speaker 1: all in the game because I remember one year I
Speaker 1: was off the Housewives and then I went to his
Speaker 1: house for his Christmas party and it was like all
Speaker 1: these famous people there and I felt special. And then
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sitting next to him at this reunion
Speaker 1: and now I feel special. And it reminds me of
Speaker 1: like probably you with your parents as your real parents
Speaker 1: as a kid, and me with mine, like wanting you
Speaker 1: want we all want his approval, we all want to
Speaker 1: be the favorite, We want his approval. We want to
Speaker 1: be able to say, oh, well, you even have said something.
Speaker 1: I've been on that show the most about watch Rebam's life.
Speaker 1: It's like a calling card. And so his.
Speaker 2: Staying why I was on there at most? Now, I
Speaker 2: at that time I didn't totally get it one hundred,
Speaker 2: But well.
Speaker 1: What do you mean you rated? Why do you think
Speaker 1: you were on the most the help of the show
Speaker 1: because you were rating? Yeah, you're reading, but why else
Speaker 1: would you We have but that, But you're saying it
Speaker 1: wasn't because you were friends. It's because you're You're a
Speaker 1: piece on the board, and you're a valuable piece, very valuable, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And so I think there was
Speaker 1: there's a psychology that goes on with this group and
Speaker 1: this show. And he's an executive. He used to be
Speaker 1: an executive, and he's a producer, which is like a
Speaker 1: power position, but then you're this sort of talent executive anymore.
Speaker 1: He's not an executive for you. He used to be
Speaker 1: an executive at Bravo, a development executive, and then like
Speaker 1: a VP, and then because he was on the show,
Speaker 1: as with his own show, he became talent. But still
Speaker 1: is an executive producer of different shows. But that's still
Speaker 1: in like a supervising position, and so it's tricky because
Speaker 1: he's not quote unquote technically producing vander Pump rules, so
Speaker 1: he can't be held accountable to the standard of producing
Speaker 1: that reunion. But he's the person who's the talent saying
Speaker 1: all these things to Raquel, but like under the shield
Speaker 1: of like it's the show, like he's almost like a puppet,
Speaker 1: like just reading these words. When he's a human being,
Speaker 1: he knows what he's saying. But then over here he's
Speaker 1: a producer that gets to choose who's on and who's off,
Speaker 1: and it gets to be you can't play stupid and
Speaker 1: smart like you're in a power position and you have
Speaker 1: a lot of power were there because you report directly
Speaker 1: to Francis, who makes all the decisions. So you can't write,
Speaker 1: you know, and I, you know, people will wonder why
Speaker 1: people like you and I would fuck this thing up,
Speaker 1: would would would would bite the hand that feeds us,
Speaker 1: would mess up the apple and peach cart, like even
Speaker 1: me more than you, I wasn't getting demoted. I could
Speaker 1: have gone back any time for millions of dollars, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, mess and I fucking fucked up the whole
Speaker 1: cart when I was. I mean, you thought I was
Speaker 1: the favorite. I thought you were the favorite. We talked.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, we talked about this. I thought
Speaker 1: you said that you thought I was his favorite.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did think that you were his favorite at
Speaker 2: some point. I don't know when that point actually became.
Speaker 2: I thought you were his favorite, but at times it
Speaker 2: didn't feel like it. Sorry, but then it looked like it,
Speaker 2: But then sometimes it didn't feel like it.
Speaker 1: You meaning the public is thinking that I'm his favorite,
Speaker 1: but the way he's speaking privately is not. Likewise, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Likewise, And I know, I've known, and
Speaker 1: I've known how he feels about different people at different times,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know. Again, it's back to
Speaker 1: the reality reckoning, which we're now going to get into
Speaker 1: for me. And of course I bit the hand that
Speaker 1: fed me. And now it's so convenient that I'm talking
Speaker 1: about this and all that. But I left. I left twice.
Speaker 1: There's no confusion all the receipts. I left twice at
Speaker 1: Top Dollar, and I didn't bring this whole thing up
Speaker 1: because I wanted to do a show. I walked away
Speaker 1: from my show, and you can. I have the receipts
Speaker 1: for that too. I walked away from the show that
Speaker 1: I was going to do because I didn't want to
Speaker 1: get into business with that production company and I didn't
Speaker 1: want to go into this sphere and I didn't want
Speaker 1: it to be like Housewives, And there was no big
Speaker 1: plan for the reality reckoning. I was just thinking about
Speaker 1: the reunion and the strike and I thought, what the hell?
Speaker 1: And one day I woke up and said to myself,
Speaker 1: I go to Australia and no one told me that.
Speaker 1: There's my entire body, just me on the back of
Speaker 1: a bus. And I'm excited by that. But I shouldn't
Speaker 1: be excited bout that because they're promoting a show on
Speaker 1: Hey You Australia that Scott episodes in me from fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago that I made two hundred and fifty hours
Speaker 1: for a whole season. So in real time, I just
Speaker 1: said something and it exploded it and it got a
Speaker 1: lot of pickup, and then I started to think about
Speaker 1: all of it. And the truth is I never burned
Speaker 1: the house down because I thought maybe i'd go back
Speaker 1: into the house like and I don't mean burn the
Speaker 1: house down by a reckoning because I didn't even think
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, I think this whole time, I
Speaker 1: thought that Andy and I were kind of really friends
Speaker 1: because we text back and forth, but we don't really
Speaker 1: I've been to his house once for a Christmas party
Speaker 1: ten years ago. We're not really every time we're together,
Speaker 1: we're only talking about the housewives? Am I coming on?
Speaker 1: Am I going off? Is that person getting fired? Is
Speaker 1: that person coming on? Like? We're not really you know
Speaker 1: what your real friends are like. So now I'm in
Speaker 1: this hybrid world where I think we kind of really
Speaker 1: don't like each other, but we're both playing this game,
Speaker 1: and yet when things are happening for me, he's not
Speaker 1: really congratulating me, and like, I feel like he has
Speaker 1: some sort of resentment, you know, because I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: be beneath him because we both came up at the
Speaker 1: same time. He was just he was barely a host
Speaker 1: and he was working at Bravo and we came up
Speaker 1: at the same time. So I'm thinking, I don't think
Speaker 1: he likes me at all. I think we've both been
Speaker 1: playing this game for all this time, and one day
Speaker 1: I decided to just not be afraid and open my
Speaker 1: fucking mouth because the only person I was protecting and
Speaker 1: that whole realm was him, and he hasn't been protecting me.
Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, here's me you're lookie for yes, girl, Hello,
Speaker 4: that's like you've been sleep this whole time?
Speaker 3: Hello? Hello?
Speaker 1: Did I just like crack up in like a fucking pinata?
Speaker 1: Just no?
Speaker 3: No no. I feel like, well, no, no, you didn't.
Speaker 2: You didn't go one was about eighty just now yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think that Yeah, No, I think I think
Speaker 2: that everybody that's in this position. I think at one
Speaker 2: point you feel or you think like am I his favorite?
Speaker 4: Am I not?
Speaker 3: I kind of feel the same way you do. I
Speaker 3: don't think he ever liked me.
Speaker 1: Like down deep inside you were playing the game. You
Speaker 1: were both two people that it's a dance like I
Speaker 1: got invited on Hey yay, and it's so funny and
Speaker 1: every time you're there, it's like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: saw what you just did and brings it and everyone's excited.
Speaker 1: But the last time I went on that show, I
Speaker 1: was with my daughter and we're so used to that
Speaker 1: environment being he's always protected. Somehow, he's asking these questions
Speaker 1: like who's the ugliest housewife? And you're like, let me think,
Speaker 1: like a question that bad, like who's the worst mother?
Speaker 1: Like questions that are so problematic, asking Jill Zarren's mother, uh,
Speaker 1: asking her is this good for the Jews or bad
Speaker 1: for the Jews? Then mentioning Ron Jeremy like two ook' seventy,
Speaker 1: like all these things that somehow he's like always protected
Speaker 1: and we're always fucking skinned, alive with tabasco sauce all
Speaker 1: over us, naked. Because I say the thing about the other,
Speaker 1: who do you think is the bitchest housewife or most
Speaker 1: dramatic Nini two weeks oppress, Bethany says Nan, he's the
Speaker 1: most dramatic. You two weeks of press say Bethany's Bethany's
Speaker 1: a bitch. Like we're out there and we get thrown
Speaker 1: like pieces of meat to just get ripped apart by
Speaker 1: that vehicle that we kissed the ass to get on
Speaker 1: and get excited that we're on and we're there and
Speaker 1: we're like, oh my god, yay, and we all play
Speaker 1: the goddamn fucking game and we get decked out because
Speaker 1: we're using him like he's using us because we want
Speaker 1: to promote our shit and get dressed out and get
Speaker 1: the whatever, but it all just seems so gross and
Speaker 1: we're all such pawns because of the fame and the money.
Speaker 1: And when I had enough money and enough fame and
Speaker 1: nobody had anything that I wanted and I knew by
Speaker 1: the last shred, I let it all hang out because
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm not fucking going back and I'm
Speaker 1: not doing this other show. I've been a I've been
Speaker 1: hanging on. I've been there, and like I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: Well, See, you're, first of all, you're in a position
Speaker 2: where you can feel that way and say all those things.
Speaker 2: That's one thing. Financially and skin color. There are things
Speaker 2: that you can say that I can't say. There are
Speaker 2: things that you can actually do on this show that
Speaker 2: I can't do on this show.
Speaker 3: And that's just a fact.
Speaker 2: As you just said, Candy told you that you know,
Speaker 2: everything that we do is sort of like elevated, and
Speaker 2: it's the truth. Everything we do is much more elevated.
Speaker 2: You can say all those things of whatever you want
Speaker 2: to say to me, and I can't say the same.
Speaker 2: My treatment is one hundred percent different on the show
Speaker 2: than yours.
Speaker 1: Do you mean?
Speaker 3: On the Housewives? On The Housewives got it.
Speaker 1: But but now in a post housewives world, you chose
Speaker 1: to leave, and you know that all these other housewives
Speaker 1: have gotten asked back, they've come back, they've come in,
Speaker 1: they've come out. You chose to leave.
Speaker 3: I chose to leave for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: Okay, because I want to And then you chose to
Speaker 1: burn the house down. And I'll explain when I to
Speaker 1: try to work.
Speaker 3: Think I burned the house down? Did I burn it down?
Speaker 1: Well, we'll talk about you burnt the bridge attached to
Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, from between you and the house, there
Speaker 1: was a bridge because because you took legal action. Okay,
Speaker 1: So when I read in the headlines, I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone knows your story, so I would like to hear it.
Speaker 2: Well, first I want to say this. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to get your language so I can understand what you say.
Speaker 2: You say you burned the house. That that means you
Speaker 2: burn the bridge. That So when I think that you're
Speaker 2: burning a bridge while you were there, When I think
Speaker 2: that someone is burning a bridge, you're burning the bridge
Speaker 2: because this person's done nice things for you and to you,
Speaker 2: and then you just decide to burn the That's how I.
Speaker 1: No, that would be like not taking the olive branch.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, whatever bridge, literal bridge, is a bridge between
Speaker 1: them and you. And even if you don't like them,
Speaker 1: even if you were discriminated against, you might want to
Speaker 1: walk back on that fucking bridge and go back in, just.
Speaker 2: Like you might want to, but you also might not
Speaker 2: want to be continuously abused. I didn't just just wake
Speaker 2: up one day and just say I'm going to file
Speaker 2: a complaint again. I felt like I worked there long enough,
Speaker 2: and just as I respect them, I thought they respect
Speaker 2: me and they would have wanted to come to a
Speaker 2: table and sit and talk with me about the issues
Speaker 2: to talk. When I say they, I mean the executives
Speaker 2: who are in control on both sides, on the network
Speaker 2: side and the productions.
Speaker 3: Okay, so there were issues.
Speaker 2: I never was the talent that just decided, oh this
Speaker 2: is my last season, I have all these issues. No,
Speaker 2: I had my issues and row emails and text message,
Speaker 2: and I have receipts.
Speaker 3: I am black. We keep receipts. That's all we can do.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have my receipts of my complaints and
Speaker 2: the things I felt that should change. I asked, why
Speaker 2: is this happening to me? I would like for this
Speaker 2: to change. Can this not happen to me any longer?
Speaker 2: Can I do this? I asked all those questions, okay,
Speaker 2: and again I always felt like if I did one
Speaker 2: little thing, it was elevated. Yet all the white house wise,
Speaker 2: you white girls can do anything, and it was never
Speaker 2: You guys never got the same treatment. You just don't
Speaker 2: get the same treatment. Now, you guys might complain, you
Speaker 2: might walk off the show. If I walk off the show,
Speaker 2: it's the whole world has blown off.
Speaker 3: She walked off the show.
Speaker 2: When you got white girls walking off the show, running
Speaker 2: off the show, crime, flipping tables, pulling hair, blessing glasses,
Speaker 2: cursing people out, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3: And if I just do one little thing, my treatment
Speaker 3: is totally different.
Speaker 1: Interesting, And you mean from the show or the court
Speaker 1: of public opinion, because they can't control it from the
Speaker 1: show and the quarter like they're not protecting you. Something happens,
Speaker 1: and the press you, but they don't protake me. So
Speaker 1: we're in this gray area where it's not an actual workplace.
Speaker 1: And the reason that you don't get real answers is
Speaker 1: because in a normal if you were working in a
Speaker 1: normal company and Jane down the hall drank eight bottles
Speaker 1: of vodka. Uh, the HR would be called. And if
Speaker 1: if if you were in a normal workplace and someone
Speaker 1: treated you a certain way and you file the complaint,
Speaker 1: HR would be called. But there is no real HR
Speaker 1: because it's not really a workplace. But we have to
Speaker 1: show up on time and we have to work. So
Speaker 1: we're in this purgatory gray area where nothing's real. And
Speaker 1: now that's what the reckoning is really about, because people
Speaker 1: have to be accountable, right so okay, So so now
Speaker 1: so you leave, you file the complaint and that's when.
Speaker 1: And that's where I want to come into. I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what it's said. What is it that you wanted?
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that I won't say.
Speaker 1: I'll hear, okay, or what you want because you're still
Speaker 1: in it, you're still in it.
Speaker 2: I want fair treatment. I want to be treated equal.
Speaker 1: But how can you be treated equal now when you're
Speaker 1: not working with them? Like? What would you do? What
Speaker 1: do you want? What? What could be done now?
Speaker 3: Now? No, because I wasn't getting fair treatment.
Speaker 1: You want to men for not getting fair and I
Speaker 1: was not treated okay? And do you how do you
Speaker 1: feel about the way it's going to go down. Do
Speaker 1: you think you're going to get what you want?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you feel stronger in this reckoning? I don't want anything,
Speaker 1: but if it were you, you would get what you want. Okay,
Speaker 1: you probably would not have even had to file a complaint. Interesting,
Speaker 1: they probably would have come and sat and talked with you.
Speaker 1: If you were just asking to talk and let's figure
Speaker 1: this out. Let's work this out. They probably would have
Speaker 1: sat and taught with you. Do you feel stronger since
Speaker 1: the media has shifted recently, and since there's a wave,
Speaker 1: and since since this reality reckoning? Do you feel a
Speaker 1: little bit less alone?
Speaker 4: Hmmm?
Speaker 3: I still feel very long I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Say so you've said to me. So now let's enter
Speaker 1: into like Now, keep in mind, I'm only reading headlines.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing clips. I don't know what's gone on from
Speaker 1: my perspective. And also I was still friends with the network.
Speaker 1: And my perspective is Nini's suing Bravo and the production
Speaker 1: company for discrimination and other things. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: what I heard. Like there was that you were suing
Speaker 1: and you were public about it, and it was a big,
Speaker 1: big thing. Okay, so's we don't speak that often. I'm
Speaker 1: watching you on the media. I have no idea how
Speaker 1: long later I reach out to you. But in my
Speaker 1: own life, I am thinking, I've always thought that you're
Speaker 1: very entertaining, and I think you and I would be
Speaker 1: amazing together. So I have this idea. Paul and I
Speaker 1: were always talking about ideas. It was Paul's idea to
Speaker 1: have Jill on. He said you should have Jill to
Speaker 1: talk about the New Housewives, and I said, oh god,
Speaker 1: I just want to have a reunion with her. And
Speaker 1: then that's how that happened. And so we were just
Speaker 1: talking and I was like, he always was like, you
Speaker 1: want to do something with Nani, And I said, I
Speaker 1: think Nannie and I should do a show called Ebony
Speaker 1: and Ivory where we get in an RV and go
Speaker 1: across the country from each of our perspectives. I call
Speaker 1: two production companies that had relationships with Bravo, cause again
Speaker 1: I don't know that much about your case. I call
Speaker 1: them because they've been wanting to do a bunch of
Speaker 1: projects with me, and I never want to do anything,
Speaker 1: but you know, I've reached out to you a million
Speaker 1: times and they say, we can't and I even have
Speaker 1: one of them call you. Remember I say, can you
Speaker 1: call her? I was like, They're like, we can't. We
Speaker 1: can't touch it. We can't touch it. We can't touch
Speaker 1: it she's doing. I call an agency. We can't touch it.
Speaker 1: And I call you. And and because you said to
Speaker 1: me on the phone, every time you call me, nothing
Speaker 1: ever happens. And I didn't want to. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to hurt your feelings, but I said, the reason is
Speaker 1: when I call you, it's because someone else told me
Speaker 1: that it couldn't happen. Like I call you getting excited.
Speaker 1: You say, I'm excited too. I then talk to someone
Speaker 1: else and they shut it down because of the legal action.
Speaker 1: That was my perspective. I don't know if it's true
Speaker 1: not true, And I just reported it back to you.
Speaker 2: So since all of this have come forward with complaints
Speaker 2: and things like that, I have been severely retaliated against.
Speaker 2: And have you been retaliated against since you came out
Speaker 2: with your reality reckoning?
Speaker 1: I mean, I believe so. I believe I've burned many bridges. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do not believe I would be doing anything with
Speaker 1: Bravo and I haven't been.
Speaker 3: Well, that's fine if you don't. Yeah, you're not doing
Speaker 3: anything with Bravo.
Speaker 2: But I don't feel like I should be retaliated against
Speaker 2: to the point of me not being able to work
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: Oh No, Also, I'm just in the beginning. Just know
Speaker 1: that two different people in production, as I told you,
Speaker 1: said to me, I can't work for you. I will
Speaker 1: never work in TV again if I work for you.
Speaker 1: And three house swaps No, three Bravo talent that have
Speaker 1: been violated and will have a story to tell have
Speaker 1: reached out to me wanting to talk and they've been blocked.
Speaker 1: So I'm okay, I have you know, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: there's an effect to my actions.
Speaker 3: WHOA for me, I've not been able to work at all,
Speaker 3: But so.
Speaker 2: The moment arena of entertainment, any arena of entertainment, I
Speaker 2: was not able to work from that point of me
Speaker 2: closing my computer leaving the reunion, I don't I did
Speaker 2: not work again until last year.
Speaker 1: What if it's that you are litigious because people don't
Speaker 1: want if someone sued somebody personally, they don't want to
Speaker 1: touch that. How could Bravo is not gonna call ABC
Speaker 1: and say don't work with obviously called a b C
Speaker 1: and E f G. But ABC doesn't listen to Bravo,
Speaker 1: who's they have?
Speaker 2: And because there are listen. I'm a talent and I
Speaker 2: am talented. I am not just a reality star. I
Speaker 2: am an entertainer. Okay, I seen dance, act anti reality Okay.
Speaker 2: I as a black woman, I have to be able
Speaker 2: to do everything. At the end of the day, I
Speaker 2: turned cart wheels and do flips like I do everything.
Speaker 3: There's no.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you that they shut my work down.
Speaker 2: I do everything. So you mean to tell me, as
Speaker 2: a talented person that there was nothing for me to host.
Speaker 2: There was nothing for me to to act in, singing, dancing,
Speaker 2: jump in, clap in nothing, the same thing, same thing
Speaker 2: I'm saying to you. There's there was they the doors
Speaker 2: were closed, the doors were not open. And then, in fact,
Speaker 2: a friend of mine told me Andy wrote a book
Speaker 2: and he said the door was closed. So apparently when
Speaker 2: he says the door has closed, the door is closed
Speaker 2: all over the entire industry because I did not work.
Speaker 2: Now that's a fact. Now we're talking about somebody that
Speaker 2: is talented. I'm not holding it on anybody, but I'm
Speaker 2: telling you that when it happened. I have been retaliated against.
Speaker 2: Now you just don't go from working today and never
Speaker 2: working again, like something happens, something.
Speaker 1: I agree I don't like.
Speaker 3: You can't just be like, okay, so you have.
Speaker 1: But your agents are the most powerful people in the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry. What have they said? What is CIA say
Speaker 1: to you when you say why am I not working?
Speaker 1: Give me the fucking truth? What do they say?
Speaker 4: Nothing?
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm not crazy, neither.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you that if you were working
Speaker 2: today and suddenly all the doors just closed all across
Speaker 2: the entire industry because you had a disagreement with maybe
Speaker 2: this company that you're working for, But maybe you don't
Speaker 2: have to work with that company anymore. There are so
Speaker 2: many other companies out here to work for. There were
Speaker 2: all kinds of narratives put out there, like I was
Speaker 2: a difficult talent and all these things. I've never ever
Speaker 2: worked on a set where I've been difficult. Ever I've
Speaker 2: heard it. Now, there's a lot of sets that both
Speaker 2: any set I work on, I come happy and I
Speaker 2: don't need anything but my money and some water every
Speaker 2: now and then. But let me tell you something, I
Speaker 2: don't need anything. I come happy and I'm ready to work.
Speaker 2: I'm a worker Bee, I liked you you. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: enjoying working. So I've never had an issue on any
Speaker 2: set I've ever worked on. So it is not by
Speaker 2: chance that I have a disagreement with this company and
Speaker 2: every door across the industry decides to close, it is
Speaker 2: something wrong with that. But you, Bethany or some of
Speaker 2: your other the other girls, they can have an issue
Speaker 2: with this company and they may not work with them
Speaker 2: for a little while, but they always get to come
Speaker 2: back and work.
Speaker 1: Well. Is a self generated this is mine.
Speaker 2: You're different at this point. But there's so many examples.
Speaker 2: Let me just say when I let me just use
Speaker 2: my closing the computer as an example. So I closed
Speaker 2: the computer as an exam because we were doing our
Speaker 2: reunion show.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? I closed the computer.
Speaker 2: We were doing our reunion show from home because of
Speaker 2: CO so we were all on computer at the time.
Speaker 2: I think we were the only franchise that did that.
Speaker 2: And I closed my computer as in I walked off
Speaker 2: of the reunion how long ago? Twenty nineteen four years ago? Okay,
Speaker 2: So I closed my reunion and I walk off of
Speaker 2: the I'm saying, I closed my computer and I walk
Speaker 2: off of the show.
Speaker 3: The treatment is just different.
Speaker 2: Lisa, is it vander Lisa vander pomp on her show
Speaker 2: she walked off?
Speaker 3: Did I mean she didn't even walk off. I don't
Speaker 3: think she ever came.
Speaker 2: She never came to the reunion, and they are still
Speaker 2: working with her today. Kim Zosiak walks off of our
Speaker 2: entire show and walk right into her own reality show.
Speaker 2: I just don't get I didn't get that same treatment
Speaker 2: everything anything I was always retaliated against or something happened
Speaker 2: to feel like, of course severely punished. What's happening to
Speaker 2: me right now? With these doors closing everywhere, you would
Speaker 2: think that I have drugged, raped, stabbed cut somebody. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm getting the treatment like I was freaking r Kelly
Speaker 2: or Bill Cotton.
Speaker 3: Yes, there was a point.
Speaker 2: As of late, I have been getting little opportunity these
Speaker 2: here and there. But the I did an endorsement deal
Speaker 2: recently last season, I did a reality show, so I've
Speaker 2: gotten little small things to come in. But this just
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. It's almost like they're trying to send the message,
Speaker 2: if you are being abused, you better not.
Speaker 3: Fucking speak up. So it's almost like this is why.
Speaker 2: The union is much needed, what you're fighting for, it's
Speaker 2: much needed because if I'm being abused, I don't have
Speaker 2: the right to say something. I can't come to you
Speaker 2: and tell you that something's happening to me. And if
Speaker 2: I do tell you something's happening to me, do that
Speaker 2: means I don't ever get to work again. Why I'm
Speaker 2: a woman, you're a woman. I'm a black woman. But
Speaker 2: we feel the same, you know, we beleeve the same.
Speaker 2: I have feelings. I'm not feeling less. I mean I
Speaker 2: have feelings. I still have a family. You have a family.
Speaker 2: You're able to feed your family and provide for them.
Speaker 2: Why can't I feed and provide for mine? Because me
Speaker 2: and this company disagree. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 2: are we disagreeing on, but whatever I disagreements are, why
Speaker 2: can't I just go on and work somewhere else? Why
Speaker 2: do you need to put out a narrative like that
Speaker 2: to make my life miserable? Why can't I feed my kids?
Speaker 2: Why are all the white women able to do whatever
Speaker 2: they do? You know, I'll give you an example. I
Speaker 2: just thought of something I remember VICKI Gunsvelin saying that
Speaker 2: she had an issue. I can't remember everything now. I
Speaker 2: remember there was something. I think somebody pretended like they
Speaker 2: had cancer. Maybe the girls were after them about that.
Speaker 2: And then she ended up being like off the show.
Speaker 2: And then I think she was supposed to be on
Speaker 2: the first season of the new show that they do
Speaker 2: called Girl's Trip, and she was mad with Andy and
Speaker 2: Bravo about the contract they gave us. Something happened with
Speaker 2: their falling out because she had fallen out with them,
Speaker 2: and she spoke to an attorney. And I know that
Speaker 2: for a fact because I was on the call when
Speaker 2: she spoke to the attorney about them, thinking that she
Speaker 2: wanted to file a lawsuit against them. I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened. She went through this whole process with the attorney.
Speaker 2: I don't know how far they gotten.
Speaker 3: I know that he.
Speaker 2: Probably had some calls with Bravo whatever. Vicky is back
Speaker 2: on the show working. My situation is not the same.
Speaker 2: I can talk to an attorney or have an issue,
Speaker 2: which I did. My attorneys. We're talking to them in
Speaker 2: the beginning, wanting to sit down and let's figure something out.
Speaker 2: Let's work this out, whatever this issue is, and They
Speaker 2: never wanted to sit down and talk to me about
Speaker 2: anything my feelings were.
Speaker 3: They pretty much said, if that.
Speaker 2: The black bitch period, because they completely But all these
Speaker 2: other people like Vicky who's talking to an attorney that
Speaker 2: the world didn't know this, but we know this behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. She was speaking to an attorney and was
Speaker 2: upset with them about this cancer thing and some contract
Speaker 2: for the girl's trip. But Vickie is back over there
Speaker 2: working and everything is fine. Lisa van der Pump walk
Speaker 2: off the show never returned. She still got band department.
Speaker 2: She can still sit over there and talk to him
Speaker 2: all day long if she want to. Teresa can go
Speaker 2: to prison and stay for ten years, and they'll wait
Speaker 2: till she get back and then the show will start again. Okay,
Speaker 2: but the black girls do not get that same treatment.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now. Our treatment is different.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: You guys go on fabulous trips. We ride on a
Speaker 2: sprint of bus. That's just how it is. Our treatment
Speaker 2: is different. You were the highest paid, weren't you. Then
Speaker 2: you say you made more money than anybody? I think, so,
Speaker 2: what is that?
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: What kind of number was it?
Speaker 1: Tell me later, I'll tell you it was a big number.
Speaker 1: He's a big number. Well, it was several million dollars
Speaker 1: for four months work?
Speaker 3: You think so for I?
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, no, But I think you were sat
Speaker 2: several months of work.
Speaker 1: No, for the shooting season, for the shooting seth. But
Speaker 1: I think but you, guys, I think you were with
Speaker 1: your what your per episode was you were coming back?
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was close. It wasn't the same.
Speaker 1: I think it. I think I have an idea.
Speaker 3: But I think I didn't get several millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Well, no, not for six not for six episodes. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't know if you not for a full season. Not
Speaker 1: more than a million of dollars for a full season.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I got way more than a million dollars
Speaker 1: for a full of season, right yeah, okay, but you
Speaker 1: say several well more than one. Well I got more
Speaker 1: than one, right, Okay. So I'm saying I think we
Speaker 1: were in a similar position. I think we were in
Speaker 1: a similar ps I do. I think we're in a
Speaker 1: similar position. I think, But also it's different. That's different.
Speaker 1: I left for years and they wanted me back, like
Speaker 1: and that's another problem with the whole thing is that
Speaker 1: the numbers are all over the place and everybody's contracts
Speaker 1: are different, and it's I really.
Speaker 2: Don't care what anybody's making, Like, I really don't care
Speaker 2: what you make and what the next person makes, as
Speaker 2: long as I'm happy with what I'm making.
Speaker 1: No exactly how No, that's fine. But what do you
Speaker 1: do you regret? What? What would you do differently now?
Speaker 1: So you leave the show? You get the six episodes
Speaker 1: paint reversed, and tell me what you would do differently
Speaker 1: about what now that you're not working? Would you not
Speaker 1: have done it? Would you have been part of the
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: Feel that way. I feel like listen, I mean again,
Speaker 3: I'm a human. I have feelings. I mean, I can't
Speaker 3: you how long do you treat a person fucked up.
Speaker 1: So you're standing by that you may even know how
Speaker 1: hard this is. I mean, I have to good can
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 3: At this point?
Speaker 1: I'm saying many people had said I would have gone back,
Speaker 1: I would have worked for four years. I mean, how
Speaker 1: is it affected?
Speaker 2: I just I don't know that I can say that.
Speaker 2: I know that I know that I don't deserve to
Speaker 2: be in this position that.
Speaker 1: I'm in, right, But I think it's very admirable that
Speaker 1: you're standing in it, even knowing that you have a
Speaker 1: different situation.
Speaker 2: I feel like I have another choice. I mean, because
Speaker 2: I don't think that they didn't give me any choices.
Speaker 2: They've never wanted to sit down and talk to me.
Speaker 2: No one at that company has ever called me and said,
Speaker 2: what is happening?
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll call you now, what's going on?
Speaker 3: Why can't we?
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll call you why can't we?
Speaker 3: Though I've asked them myself.
Speaker 1: You never know this is going to have This is
Speaker 1: going to be a very I feel that this is
Speaker 1: going to be an impactful interview. And let's see, the
Speaker 1: last week they sent a letter out saying they were
Speaker 1: going to try to change practice. Is bravo. Maybe you'll
Speaker 1: call Nini and at least men de fact listen, everybody
Speaker 1: can change.
Speaker 2: I think everybody can change. I want you to know that,
Speaker 2: first of all, that you're doing a great thing. And
Speaker 2: so we said that we were going to talk about
Speaker 2: the black and white treatment. Reason the reason why we're
Speaker 2: talking about it. What you're doing is great. At the
Speaker 2: end of the day, as long as a voice is heard,
Speaker 2: that is all that matters, and that we get what
Speaker 2: we're trying to get out of the situation. Okay, So
Speaker 2: if it takes you to go and do it, you
Speaker 2: go and do it. I'm right here for you. I'm
Speaker 2: behind you, I'm supporting you. I couldn't do it, but
Speaker 2: you can do it. And even though maybe my voice
Speaker 2: wasn't heard by them, but trust me, my voice was.
Speaker 3: Heard by many people. Many people heard my voice.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I don't think that forward their message. I
Speaker 1: don't think the problem is doing all these short shows
Speaker 1: and interviews. You'd say, one quick thing. It's a clip.
Speaker 1: It's not a conversation. It's not like understanding, like the
Speaker 1: bottom line the Chris, I didn't know. The crystallization for
Speaker 1: me is that you felt that there was there was
Speaker 1: systemic discrimination, and even if it wasn't to the level
Speaker 1: that you thought it was, you felt you weren't being
Speaker 1: treated fairly, and you had a complaint with the company
Speaker 1: that you were working with that you were making a
Speaker 1: lot of money for, so you felt that there was
Speaker 1: an equal treatment. You felt that you wanted to be
Speaker 1: talked to and with by the powers that be, and
Speaker 1: you felt that you were effectively and ignored and then
Speaker 1: subsequently demoted and then kind of pushed out, and you
Speaker 1: felt also like you started this thing, of course, I mean,
Speaker 1: and now you're an outsider everybody.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you have to be blind to not
Speaker 2: see that I started it. I mean, we're not crazy.
Speaker 2: I know everything that I did it was a lot,
Speaker 2: and I have them in many ways. They never respected me.
Speaker 2: No one to give me one call and say.
Speaker 1: You're telling me you never have had a phone call
Speaker 1: from anyone. Never.
Speaker 2: They never called me up and said, let's see what
Speaker 2: the hell is wrong with Nini. What the hell is
Speaker 2: she talking about over there? Let's talk to her.
Speaker 1: Now in the executives, not even the high as though. Interesting,
Speaker 1: I'm shocked that after all of these years of you
Speaker 1: being this entertainer, this star talent, this rain maker for Bravo,
Speaker 1: that you never had an email, a phone call or
Speaker 1: a conversation. That's just absolutely shocking to me that it
Speaker 1: just went dark four years ago. I found that very
Speaker 1: difficult to believe. It would have been so much easier.
Speaker 1: Life is so much easier.
Speaker 2: We just have a do you think it would not
Speaker 2: it would have been so much easier.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, because no, it was just like me
Speaker 1: to say, what the hell are you talking about, because
Speaker 1: you know what I would say. Well, let's go you first,
Speaker 1: you get a call from Andy and Francis and your executive.
Speaker 1: What can we do? What would you like? What would
Speaker 1: you say?
Speaker 2: I would be like, Wow, you guys decided to call
Speaker 2: after like four years, I mean yeah, Like, so are
Speaker 2: we gonna do this over the phone?
Speaker 3: I am. I gonna come sit in your office and
Speaker 3: so I can look you dead in your eyes.
Speaker 1: So you come in the office and what what? How
Speaker 1: can we work this out? What can we do?
Speaker 2: First of all, the very first thing I want. I
Speaker 2: probably have a sign on my forehead that says fair treatment.
Speaker 2: I want fair treatment.
Speaker 1: But how can they treat you fairly? Now when you
Speaker 1: don't work there? What would you like now?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Well I don't work there. Now, I mean, would you.
Speaker 1: Like to work there? Would you like to on TV?
Speaker 3: I can't say that I would. I can't say that
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 1: Well, you have to ask for what you want because
Speaker 1: the universe might bring it. So what is it that
Speaker 1: you want? You want what I want and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say it here. You want some fair compensation for lost wages?
Speaker 1: I assume.
Speaker 2: There's a lot I want. Okay, there's a lot you want,
Speaker 2: and I think that they can do it. And the
Speaker 2: first thing is, as I said before, it's fair treatment
Speaker 2: across the board, okay, and the things that are more
Speaker 2: important A union would be great, but I know those
Speaker 2: are the things that they can't just make happen overnight.
Speaker 2: But it would be great to have support in trying
Speaker 2: to get a union for a reality.
Speaker 1: Well that is no sag. After it has backed what
Speaker 1: we're doing and said that they are ready, you can
Speaker 1: call them. I can give you the hot top of
Speaker 1: the to the heap, give you the contact to get
Speaker 1: what you need. But I would say to Bravo if
Speaker 1: they called me, we're going to sit down and negotiate
Speaker 1: what should be in everyone's contracts moving forward. Here are
Speaker 1: some terms. Here's some boiler plate language that should be
Speaker 1: in everyone's contracts moving forward. And I did kind of
Speaker 1: lay out ten terms as a starting point to say,
Speaker 1: if a person comes in at this level, this is
Speaker 1: the minimum, and if they go on another season, and
Speaker 1: if the show gets picked up and you know, and
Speaker 1: and but there is a systemic problem. It's great that
Speaker 1: they said we're sorry that you know, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: people a psychologist and that we're gonna look at alcohol consumption.
Speaker 1: But what they need to be saying is the whole
Speaker 1: industry can't be exploiting our content on streamers that we
Speaker 1: never even knew would exists. I never knew, hey, you
Speaker 1: was going to Common, Amazon and Prime and sell. They
Speaker 1: had the Chicken ten thousand ways. I'm wings your broth
Speaker 1: were stuck. I mean, they've got this fucking thing from
Speaker 1: seven two hundred and fifty dollars fifteen years ago sold everywhere.
Speaker 1: And when people say you signed up for that, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I signed a contract. I thought were doing this show
Speaker 1: on this channel. I didn't know maybe an Australian different netw.
Speaker 2: I really agree with that the show is sold everywhere.
Speaker 2: You see it everywhere.
Speaker 1: What about the memes, Well, you talk about the gifts
Speaker 1: and the memes, about the two or dredre to tell
Speaker 1: them that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the gifts and the memes are insane, and we
Speaker 2: don't make one dollar off of it, well not even
Speaker 2: a dollar, one penny. And I'm probably more mean than
Speaker 2: any housewife ever. My memes are everywhere, and some of
Speaker 2: the memes I don't like. Nobody gives up and.
Speaker 1: It kills you.
Speaker 2: You and I'm watching people with pictures and memes of
Speaker 2: my mouth opening, closing, eyes opening, closed, head turned around,
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 3: Really fucked up, and you don't get one penny.
Speaker 1: And brother was still making money off of that, a.
Speaker 3: Ton of money.
Speaker 2: And the company that I think created the memes sold
Speaker 2: for four hundred million two I think Facebook or somebody.
Speaker 3: It was this company that makes these.
Speaker 1: Memes and it's their talent, and I don't get one product.
Speaker 2: The thing that's worse for me is my face. And Lord,
Speaker 2: I don't want to keep saying black child, but my
Speaker 2: face is everywhere and ever rememe. I don't see your
Speaker 2: faces like that. It's my face, and they don't give
Speaker 2: me one penny for that. I know, and the episodes
Speaker 2: that I've been in and they have played a trillion
Speaker 2: times everywhere, and I don't get a penny for that.
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. Well, I see you on TikTok
Speaker 1: everyone using your sounds. I've used them. I did it
Speaker 1: with my daughter. You're not getting paid for that, no, right,
Speaker 1: But no one's really acknowledging that it was Bravo's talent,
Speaker 1: Bravo's product. So they distributed it, they sold it, and
Speaker 1: so they're still making money off of that. So it's
Speaker 1: a big it's a big issue that will have to
Speaker 1: get resolved because you're going to see your content. It
Speaker 1: could be for one hundred years. But that is when
Speaker 1: we signed and we didn't know how many ways that
Speaker 1: they would sell it. It's a new world order. We
Speaker 1: didn't even know what's streaming, what there was. We had
Speaker 1: no Twitter when we started on the House, there was
Speaker 1: no Twitter. So what do you think of the state
Speaker 1: of the show today?
Speaker 2: I think it is well at least. First of all,
Speaker 2: I don't watch the show. I watched the clips that
Speaker 2: come down Instagram, you know those clips, and I think
Speaker 2: Atlanta has changed a lot. Actually, they look like they
Speaker 2: are suffering. The girls don't look entertaining. They just don't
Speaker 2: look like housewives. I thought when we were on the
Speaker 2: show the women were more like higher just I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know that. Everybody just look, it's boring. Not
Speaker 2: only is it boring that the women, who are they
Speaker 2: and where did they come from? And why are they
Speaker 2: sitting on this show?
Speaker 1: Do you think that that medium has died? I mean,
Speaker 1: is it a soap proper? Now? Is it days of
Speaker 1: our lives? Where it's not It's just tired now and
Speaker 1: it's on the way.
Speaker 3: So and I think, like you said, it's like a
Speaker 3: dinosaur now. No, it's just tragic, it's just old.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they choose people like you and
Speaker 1: I who had challenging upbringings and like wounded birds to
Speaker 1: come in and be in this medium because it creates
Speaker 1: drama and we're all a little fed up in some way,
Speaker 1: so we're going.
Speaker 2: To I think they chose us in the beginning for whatever,
Speaker 2: for the reason was, but we became so big, became
Speaker 2: bigger than the show. And I think that they don't
Speaker 2: want women on the show who are big.
Speaker 3: If you notice to me, all.
Speaker 2: The women who are big and who are popular, they
Speaker 2: figure out how to get all them off the show.
Speaker 2: And they lead the girls who are boring in mediocre
Speaker 2: because they are not a threat and they're medioca just
Speaker 2: put it like that. But all the popular girls are
Speaker 2: the hot girls of the girls that everybody like, they
Speaker 2: push them off the show. You're too big and you're
Speaker 2: over shattering other people who would like to stand in
Speaker 2: the front.
Speaker 1: So what do you want to be when you grow up?
Speaker 1: What do you want to do now? If you could
Speaker 1: have any career, any gig. What would be the top
Speaker 1: three things you want to do? Now? What do you want?
Speaker 3: I'm an actress and.
Speaker 2: Although I fell into reality kind of before my acting
Speaker 2: and Reality listen, it opened up a lot of doors
Speaker 2: for me. It was a great launching platform for me.
Speaker 2: But I'm an actress, so I would like to act
Speaker 2: and that's what I do. I act and I talk
Speaker 2: and I sing and I dance, and so I would
Speaker 2: like to do those things.
Speaker 1: Well, right now, that's on strike. So at least you're
Speaker 1: in the same boat as everybody else in that in
Speaker 1: that industry, so you can like map and chart your course.
Speaker 1: And are your agents working for you as an actress?
Speaker 1: Are they is that? What are they do? They think
Speaker 1: you're going to be able to have a career as
Speaker 1: an actress?
Speaker 3: I hope, So I hope.
Speaker 1: I hope.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm with them, because they believe in me
Speaker 2: and in my talent. You're right, we are on strike
Speaker 2: right now, but hopefully.
Speaker 1: Because that feels like a good new chapter. It feels
Speaker 1: like at least you're not going back to reality. It's
Speaker 1: something new. So you got you know, you feel beaten down,
Speaker 1: you seem vulnerable, and you seem different.
Speaker 4: To me.
Speaker 1: You just you, and you were biting your nails off
Speaker 1: this week. You weren't sleeping. You you will sleep, but
Speaker 1: what what was? What were you so scared of? You?
Speaker 1: And I feel like you weren't. Do you think I
Speaker 1: was going to gotcha you?
Speaker 2: Or like, no, no, no, no, that's not it. That wasn't
Speaker 2: ever my fear, my thing is just a sitting here
Speaker 2: talking about all of this stuff.
Speaker 3: You know what? Other door is going to close now?
Speaker 2: Because you know for me, as I said, doors have
Speaker 2: closed for me at times. Now, I want to be
Speaker 2: clear that this last year or so, there have been
Speaker 2: opportunities to come to me, but prior to that, doors
Speaker 2: were closed.
Speaker 1: I don't think that doors are going to close after today.
Speaker 1: I really don't.
Speaker 2: I hope not, because I don't understand why they would
Speaker 2: And why am I not able to work?
Speaker 1: Why all you want to do is work?
Speaker 3: All I want to do is work? Leave me alone?
Speaker 1: So you want to be an actress? What else? Do
Speaker 1: you want to do a podcast? Or you don't?
Speaker 3: Oh? I love talking.
Speaker 2: I love to do a podcast. I've always would love
Speaker 2: to do a talk show, but I've always I was
Speaker 2: always forbidden from doing a talk show. I could never
Speaker 2: do a talk show. Bravo, somebody I don't know. I
Speaker 2: could never do a talk show.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: It meant that I could never do a talk show.
Speaker 1: You were someone told you could never do a talk show.
Speaker 2: I was never able to do a talk show or
Speaker 2: do a podcast. Whenever I was in talks to do
Speaker 2: a talk show or a podcast, it would disappear.
Speaker 3: After a while. We could be.
Speaker 2: Talking, talks could be going on really good, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden that opportunity would disappear. And that
Speaker 2: is not by chance.
Speaker 1: What mistakes have you made? What have been your biggest mistakes?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, my biggest mistakes. I have made mistakes as
Speaker 2: a mother. You know, I think I'm a great mom,
Speaker 2: but I think I could have been even better mom.
Speaker 2: I think I've made some mistakes in that area. If
Speaker 2: you're talking about on the show.
Speaker 1: Career, in my life and your career, Like, what, mister,
Speaker 1: what in all these years you're going back, what do
Speaker 1: you regret? What would you do differently?
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of regrets in my life
Speaker 2: because for me, anything that I've ever done really wrong,
Speaker 2: it was always a learning experience for me. So I've
Speaker 2: never really chopped them up as like losses. Always was
Speaker 2: like learning things.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, if I could.
Speaker 2: I don't know about my career, but if I could
Speaker 2: do anything better, I would be a better mom.
Speaker 1: Is that because of the stuff going on with your son?
Speaker 1: A you're blaming yourself? Uh?
Speaker 2: No, I don't blame myself for it. I just I
Speaker 2: worked a lot, and sometimes I think about maybe if
Speaker 2: I was more. I've always been a worker in some
Speaker 2: kind of way. And even when my husband was sending
Speaker 2: me back and forth to Los Angeles to try to
Speaker 2: become an actor doing pilot season, I was leaving my
Speaker 2: son with my husband so that I could go and
Speaker 2: try to open up doors of opportunity, and I just,
Speaker 2: you know, wish that I was maybe you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't work as much.
Speaker 1: Maybe are you connected with your kids now though.
Speaker 3: As always been connected? Yes?
Speaker 1: You have, so I'm saying you still are being a
Speaker 1: good mother. Yeah, you're able to.
Speaker 2: I didn't have my mom in my life, so I
Speaker 2: always I just want to be the best mom because
Speaker 2: I know what it is to have a parent, and
Speaker 2: I didn't have my mom or father, my bilogical mom
Speaker 2: and father in my life.
Speaker 3: I had my aunt and uncle like my parents. But
Speaker 3: I just know what it means.
Speaker 1: So you're working on it now, like you're even more conniz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And in my career, I just don't know if
Speaker 2: there's anything that I feel like I.
Speaker 3: Just really made a mistake doing. I just don't.
Speaker 2: Again, the reality thing was something that kind of fell
Speaker 2: in my lap. It wasn't anything that I was looking
Speaker 2: for and fell in my lap, and it was a
Speaker 2: good thing for me and it really opened up doors
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Do you miss it?
Speaker 3: I can't say to that now housewives miss that?
Speaker 1: Like the beginning? Did you miss the day beginning?
Speaker 2: Otherwise it's stressful, I know. I mean it's a lot
Speaker 2: honest slang. I mean people don't know. Like people see
Speaker 2: me all the time and say, oh my gosh, well
Speaker 2: you have to go back on that show. We would
Speaker 2: really love to see you on there. It's stressful, honestly,
Speaker 2: and people look at you like you like it is
Speaker 2: really a lot. I felt like on the Being off
Speaker 2: the show, I feel like I'm a totally different person.
Speaker 2: Now off the show, I feel like I'm more like
Speaker 2: at ease and more relaxed. I feel like when I
Speaker 2: was on the show, people would say, you know, my
Speaker 2: husband could say, we're out of ketchup, and you're like catch,
Speaker 2: I mean, you're like just screaming about any and everything else. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's so stressful, and I missed the trips. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, well I don't.
Speaker 1: It's funny because my entire stuff, everybody didn't see you
Speaker 1: the way that I've seen you after talking to you
Speaker 1: this week, seeming vulnerable, more a human, like you're larger
Speaker 1: than life and you're this character that's like a tough bitch.
Speaker 1: And that's what everybody thought was coming in, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They all thought like, oh, I thought
Speaker 1: just that everything's good with you too, you know, like
Speaker 1: you're just so strong and hard, and I think that
Speaker 1: show and that medium makes us like that, like you've
Speaker 1: got to be I.
Speaker 2: Think people who really know me know like I'm really
Speaker 2: like cool, Like I'm really cool. I'm private, I'm in
Speaker 2: my own little circle. My circle is smaller people.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm tough when I need to be tough.
Speaker 3: But even in my.
Speaker 2: Relationship, you know, I don't wear the pants. I don't
Speaker 2: want to wear the pants, you know, I feel like
Speaker 2: I wear them every day.
Speaker 1: So you know, you're a girly girl. I am.
Speaker 3: I get with my dude.
Speaker 2: And he can handle everything, you know, the same thing
Speaker 2: when I was with Grant, you got it. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: all the ways submissive. I don't want to do anything.
Speaker 2: You can handle everything. And I just think it's just
Speaker 2: how people see you. And I also think that the
Speaker 2: show give people an idea like they think they know
Speaker 2: you that they really don't.
Speaker 1: Exactly. That's what I'm getting at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know you, you know. I think that I'm
Speaker 2: really kind of chill. But I feel like if somebody,
Speaker 2: you know, they want to get it, like I feel
Speaker 2: like you can get it. Yeah, yeah, like I can't. Ye,
Speaker 2: But other than Dad, I feel like I'm just over
Speaker 2: here in a shell.
Speaker 1: Well exactly, I get it. I don't. I think we're misunderstood.
Speaker 1: I think we're misunderstood. And it's been probably fifteen years
Speaker 1: and we're in our fifties now, So yeah, what do
Speaker 1: you think about age and vantage you feel old? Old?
Speaker 1: You're a grandmother three times over? Like yeah, do you
Speaker 1: feel like it all has to have meaning? Now? What
Speaker 1: are we doing with our lives? Like it's just it's different.
Speaker 1: Health is more important. You've lost someone like, what's your relationship?
Speaker 1: You know, we just used to churn and burn and grind,
Speaker 1: and it's just different. Now.
Speaker 3: I feel like I am at my best.
Speaker 1: You do yes, because yea, I feel like I.
Speaker 3: Look my best. I'm at my best.
Speaker 2: I feel like fifty is the new fucking thirty five
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Really, so you're happy. This is a turning.
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, this is just I feel
Speaker 2: like fifty is good.
Speaker 1: I feel like fifty is great and it's confident. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's good and don't apologize.
Speaker 2: So many people that's fifty that looks eighty and I
Speaker 2: feel like I can look at the mirror. I still
Speaker 2: got my same Hello, I mean good morning, like I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel good about it, you know, I think I
Speaker 2: think I'm doing good and yeah, And I have my grandbabies.
Speaker 2: I love, love love them. I love them.
Speaker 1: They're so sweet.
Speaker 3: They're everything. I have a eleven, a ten and an.
Speaker 1: Eight and there your life, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And I have one girl. My girl is everything because
Speaker 2: I don't have a girl.
Speaker 3: I have boys. So I love my babies and my baby.
Speaker 1: You spoil them, of course.
Speaker 3: They can do anything they want to do.
Speaker 1: You feel money noise that you financially. Do you have
Speaker 1: financial anxiety because it's been a couple of years without working.
Speaker 3: I think it's natural too. Yeah, I think it's natural too.
Speaker 2: And I think that was done to me to say
Speaker 2: you sit over there and you shut your ass.
Speaker 1: Up, and have you been more conservative and spending? Are
Speaker 1: you like just more?
Speaker 2: You know what, I was lucky and I was blessed
Speaker 2: to have invested in some things that was able to
Speaker 2: push me through. Had I not made some good investments,
Speaker 2: I would have been fucked up.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm really sorry. Wow yeah, wow, all right. Well
Speaker 1: finally your rose and thorn. The rose of your career
Speaker 1: and the thorn, and you could do your life too, but.
Speaker 2: My life, your career the roses. Honestly, you know, being
Speaker 2: a housewife was definitely a rose.
Speaker 3: I don't want to like.
Speaker 2: Act as if it was like the worst time of
Speaker 2: my life. It actually was a great time when it
Speaker 2: came to me. It was a great opportunity for me,
Speaker 2: and the platform couldn't be it couldn't be any any greater,
Speaker 2: you know, you know that. I mean, it put me
Speaker 2: into so many homes and so many offices, and it
Speaker 2: did so many things for me, so for that. There
Speaker 2: is definitely a rose there. You gotta know that it
Speaker 2: was a good thing for me.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: Two things can be happening at the same time. You
Speaker 1: could have had a great experience and you were grateful
Speaker 1: for the experience, as they should be grateful to you
Speaker 1: because you provided for the experience too. But you can
Speaker 1: also want something different, and I I are you afraid
Speaker 1: that do you have this feeling? Because I do you
Speaker 1: know when like a parent may not be the best parent,
Speaker 1: but then you like want their approval and you feel
Speaker 1: badly like do you have a little bit of fear
Speaker 1: about the andy part of it? Like? I do you do?
Speaker 1: Do you like you not? Like you bit the hand
Speaker 1: to care? What he care that he hates you or
Speaker 1: that he's mad at you? I feel Does that make
Speaker 1: you feel self conscious in a way? No?
Speaker 3: I actually feel.
Speaker 2: Sad for a person that doesn't have a forgiving heart.
Speaker 2: You know, I can be mad with you, but I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna be forever mad with you, Like I can't
Speaker 2: carry that grudge and that hatred in my heart forever.
Speaker 2: I don't know, You're right, I do not know. I
Speaker 2: feel sad for a person that doesn't have a forgiving heart.
Speaker 2: I feel sad for a person that simply cannot just
Speaker 2: And I don't know that this is him or not, but.
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about him.
Speaker 1: Feel that everything you're doing and saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I can't take it back Like I wish,
Speaker 2: I wish I could say something different. I feel like,
Speaker 2: I mean, it is what it is like this.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not easy to stand up for some thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really not. It's really hard. It's not easy to go
Speaker 1: against the green. I heard that three different women housewives
Speaker 1: were saying, none of this affects me because I'm a
Speaker 1: strong woman. So I handle myself. And it's because they're
Speaker 1: paid there, they're working there, and I, you know, and
Speaker 1: I kind of get it. But you got to stand
Speaker 1: together for what's correct, and it's not easy. It's very
Speaker 1: difficult to stand up for what's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't listen. I don't want any beef.
Speaker 1: He just wanted to be clean.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be clean.
Speaker 2: And I've also asked to even you know, I've tried
Speaker 2: to find a way for he and I to sit
Speaker 2: down and talk, but he's never wanted to do that.
Speaker 1: You've called him. I did call he won't take your
Speaker 1: phone call. He has not taken my phone call. And
Speaker 1: I've also spoken through our reps. So just see, you know,
Speaker 1: this is just to clear the air, you know, not
Speaker 1: for anything else, not to be a housewife, not to anything,
Speaker 1: just you know, just to just to understand him.
Speaker 3: And for him to understand me pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't see that happening.
Speaker 3: Well, he's never wanted to do that, you know. And
Speaker 3: that's okay.
Speaker 2: Though I'm not pressuring it or pushing it or anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody move when they're ready in their time,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So this is he's not ready,
Speaker 2: and that's okay.
Speaker 1: I get it. I feel badly about that part of it.
Speaker 1: Not because I don't think everything I've said and done
Speaker 1: is correct. I feel badly because of how I envision
Speaker 1: his mind is perceiving it. Does that make any sense?
Speaker 1: He's perceiving it as that he represents an institution that
Speaker 1: has given us opportunities that have been amazing for us,
Speaker 1: and we do not negate that, but we also worked
Speaker 1: for it. There's been one hundred and fifty housewives theay
Speaker 1: I haven't all had the same effect as we have.
Speaker 1: So we should take some credit on our own, but
Speaker 1: I feel badly for the way that he must think
Speaker 1: I have fucked him over when it's not about him.
Speaker 1: It's not even doing and I'm not doing anyone. It's
Speaker 1: I just said something and a bunch of people reached
Speaker 1: out and it became a movement of which he is
Speaker 1: the face of them.
Speaker 2: Even if you were suing that, I believe at some
Speaker 2: point he would sit down with you.
Speaker 1: I am not suing that, and people think that I am.
Speaker 3: I am not believe that. I believe our treatment would
Speaker 3: be different.
Speaker 1: I think the circumstances are different because I wasn't being
Speaker 1: demoted and I wasn't coming in for a complaint about
Speaker 1: me right other people. I just said a thing about
Speaker 1: a reckoning that represented, frankly, the whole industry, not even
Speaker 1: Bravo and certainly not Andy. It's a whole systemic thing.
Speaker 1: So you were talking about something more specific in micro
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about a macro issue. So it's a
Speaker 1: little different, I think. But I also recognize your struggles
Speaker 1: as a black woman. I please believe that I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is your thorn of your career?
Speaker 2: You know, probably my thorn is my family. Listen to
Speaker 2: me explain it my family being thrust into this because
Speaker 2: they never.
Speaker 3: Asked to be in the spotlight.
Speaker 2: So if my children were so young coming into this,
Speaker 2: and if they made a young mistake like a young
Speaker 2: person do, the whole world heard about it and knew
Speaker 2: about it, and they were crucified, not just by their
Speaker 2: parents but by the public. So the thorn of it
Speaker 2: for me is having my family be thrown into something
Speaker 2: they did not ask to be thrown into.
Speaker 3: This is what I want to do, not what they wanted.
Speaker 1: To I didn't think. I would never have thought you
Speaker 1: would say that. But that's interesting too, because that's when
Speaker 1: I say the exploitation without compensation. The children of reality
Speaker 1: television aren't compensated even for future, for college fund, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So your kids, you don't know, they could be fucked
Speaker 1: up with it. Without it, you can't know. You're not
Speaker 1: a genie. But at the very least, they're there because
Speaker 1: you're there, and they should be compensated. Children working who
Speaker 1: have to have a microphone on them and who have
Speaker 1: to be in the room at a time to have
Speaker 1: a conversation with mom about something the producers say, they
Speaker 1: have to have a conversation with mom about that's working.
Speaker 1: But that's why. And I tell you because you said
Speaker 1: it to me. I am right. I very rarely am
Speaker 1: not open to interpretation for what I'm saying. I am right.
Speaker 1: They are wrong. It is that is a zero sum game.
Speaker 1: So I am, for the first time in a really
Speaker 1: long time, like I am one, one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, you think I bet the
Speaker 1: Hannah fed me. I really don't care, because I am right.
Speaker 3: It's the truth. It's the truth, you know.
Speaker 2: I hate when my kids are being you know, people
Speaker 2: in the public are talking about them for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: because they never asked to be in this. Even my
Speaker 2: husband when he was alive, you know, if he was anything.
Speaker 1: You know, they just and they won't do it without them.
Speaker 1: They let you know explicitly they won't do it without them.
Speaker 2: Now, my husband and kids were very much a part
Speaker 2: of it interesting and we gave our blood, sweat and tears.
Speaker 1: We really did go into the grave saying that you
Speaker 1: are the most iconic housewife of all time. You are
Speaker 1: the greatest to play the game. You are the goat,
Speaker 1: You are the rushmore. Who would your rushmore be?
Speaker 3: Probably you? Who else is it going to be you.
Speaker 1: Gotta have two other people, me and you and who else.
Speaker 2: I can't think of too many. Maybe Vicky, Teresa.
Speaker 1: That's what you. Yeah, that's kind of what I said,
Speaker 1: because you know what I always say about you, it's
Speaker 1: the one hundred you were never The people that are
Speaker 1: my goats aren't there just for the hair and the makeup.
Speaker 1: They may have that, but they don't they get dirty.
Speaker 1: The people are willing to be unliked, are willing to
Speaker 1: be unpopular. Yes, you have been loved, but you have
Speaker 1: been unpopular, polarizing. Teresa has been loved, but she has
Speaker 1: been hated. Like people. Vicky looked like a lunatic crazy
Speaker 1: and maybe I like her, Maybe I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't really know her. But I gotta give mad
Speaker 1: respect for someone who's willing to put it all out
Speaker 1: on the court and be loved and hated. And that's
Speaker 1: why the goats or the goats, not because they were first,
Speaker 1: because it's just different. When you watch a show, you
Speaker 1: watch Beverly Hills, everybody's worried about being perfect, being like
Speaker 1: they'll get dirty enough, but they get right back into
Speaker 1: the bath. We went to the mats. We were animals.
Speaker 1: So you know, we were animals, so.
Speaker 2: Probably played the game better than what we played the
Speaker 2: game better than anybody.
Speaker 1: We played the game better than anybody. Yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is like you know, Tom Brady and Jordan.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you guys had ten houses on
Speaker 2: one property to show it, honey, Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: This girl and an apple tree.
Speaker 1: And an apple tree and we're planting a peach tree. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I based on what I'm hearing because I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I wasn't on the show with you, So for me
Speaker 1: to know if you were treated unfairly, I do think
Speaker 1: something shifted in what if what you were saying was
Speaker 1: you along the way talked about being discriminated again. You
Speaker 1: wrote emails, you wrote letters, you made phone calls, and
Speaker 1: then you filed a complaint after you felt that you
Speaker 1: were demoted and moved out because you felt that you
Speaker 1: had been treated unfairly with something that you had built.
Speaker 1: And the intersection of that and me wanting to do
Speaker 1: a show with you and calling different people and them
Speaker 1: saying we couldn't get that done. I didn't understand it,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because neither did Paul. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that you were quote unquote toxic or kryptonite
Speaker 1: or whatever like. I didn't know that. And when I
Speaker 1: said to agents and when I said to production companies,
Speaker 1: I want to do this show, they basically gave me
Speaker 1: a brick wall. And I didn't understand why. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the press machine, because what we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about is the Bravo PR machine. Of that's
Speaker 1: a big machine that they've been trying to fight against
Speaker 1: the reckoning. But the reckoning is winning. But that PR
Speaker 1: machine is strong, and you can tell which articles are
Speaker 1: that machine. It's just the machine and the micro bloggers
Speaker 1: and all that no problem. But I will say that
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know the universe has treated you
Speaker 1: unfairly because that's what I bumped up against. I wasn't
Speaker 1: watching closely enough to know exactly what the reason was.
Speaker 1: I just knew that Nani's hysterical, she's talented, we get along.
Speaker 1: People would die to watch us together. We're hilarious. Put
Speaker 1: us in an RV anywhere, put the cameras on right now,
Speaker 1: and that thing will rate. That's all I knew, and
Speaker 1: that's why I called you. Yeah, and I got a roadblock,
Speaker 1: So That's that's all that I do know.
Speaker 2: So that is, you know, to even get a roadblock
Speaker 2: is why?
Speaker 1: And it hurts you because you're feeling self conscious, like
Speaker 1: what the fuck is everyone saying about me?
Speaker 3: But why?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: First of all?
Speaker 2: Why because you know, if you check anywhere that I've
Speaker 2: ever worked, no one would say that other than this
Speaker 2: group of people.
Speaker 3: Right, So why would that happen?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know because I didn't
Speaker 1: even I didn't. I just thought I was thinking market
Speaker 1: You know me, I'm thinking about marketing and that we'd
Speaker 1: be entertaining together and we still wouldn't. Who knows me?
Speaker 1: I can we The thing about twenty twenty three that
Speaker 1: you have to understand, we're talking about dinosaurs. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: streamers for old people. We are, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: in the future, we're sitting here in my basement making
Speaker 1: our own goddamn content. We've got our own camera here.
Speaker 1: This is our this is where we are. This is
Speaker 1: our content. We decide where it goes. It's not going
Speaker 1: to be edited and chopped up to make us look
Speaker 1: a certain way. I'm in charge, and I'm I thank
Speaker 1: you for trusting me to come to my house and
Speaker 1: to sit down and to have a real conversation, because
Speaker 1: this is our decision. We are no longer controlled by
Speaker 1: anybody else, and they decide when it goes up and
Speaker 1: how it goes up, and what's said, and what we
Speaker 1: can say and what we can't say, and when we
Speaker 1: can't say, who we can work with when we get
Speaker 1: to air it. Blah blah blah, noah, So shift because
Speaker 1: you get to decide. You could put out your own content.
Speaker 1: It's nini is you are so entertaining and you don't.
Speaker 1: You can be polarizing. You cannot be polarizing. You just
Speaker 1: put out the honest content and let them decide. But
Speaker 1: not someone else speaking for you, not someone else putting
Speaker 1: what you are out there. So you should just this
Speaker 1: is this is the era of you pretty using your
Speaker 1: own content. You don't need anybody else to be in control.
Speaker 1: What I would say, That's what I would say to you.
Speaker 1: That's very true, you control, you'd get in charge of
Speaker 1: your own words, talent. No one's gonna put your talent
Speaker 1: in a box. So that's what I think. How do
Speaker 1: you do you? What do you do? You think social
Speaker 1: media has helped or hurt the show? How has social
Speaker 1: media affected the whole medium.
Speaker 3: I think social media helps.
Speaker 2: I think social media helps everything well, by the way,
Speaker 2: I mean, where would we be without social media today?
Speaker 3: I think it helps. I don't think it hurts. I don't.
Speaker 1: You should have a podcast and some version of a show.
Speaker 3: I should have a podcast.
Speaker 2: I should have all the things that you have and
Speaker 2: anybody else have.
Speaker 3: But I have. As I said before, I was never
Speaker 3: able to have podcasts.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I have a good feeling. I have a
Speaker 1: feeling that something had happened. For something to happen. I
Speaker 1: wanted you to talk, because like you haven't talked, and
Speaker 1: I feel like you've been a little you stuck your
Speaker 1: in between and you got to get out of the riptide.
Speaker 1: You got to get past the bad set. You gotta go.
Speaker 1: You go back to shore or go out to the
Speaker 1: big waves. But you cannot sit in the middle. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what I think. You gotta go get the big waves.
Speaker 3: I do too, which is why I'm here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, I was beating myself up about coming.
Speaker 1: I know I was. I was. I didn't sleep either
Speaker 1: because I was worried. I didn't like the waves.
Speaker 3: I beat myself up about coming.
Speaker 4: But you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, just go, and how do you feel
Speaker 1: now having done it? Having come?
Speaker 2: I feel great? You do feel great? No, I don't
Speaker 2: feel any kind of way. I feel great, you know,
Speaker 2: just like you've you've gotten things that you know, don't
Speaker 2: You can't work with Nannie, you know. I've got text messages.
Speaker 2: Nobody likes Bethany, you know don't. So I'm human like you.
Speaker 2: So I started feeling some kind of weight, like should
Speaker 2: I come to her show?
Speaker 3: Should I not?
Speaker 1: To me?
Speaker 3: What the hell is she done?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: You, you and your own wanted to come, but then
Speaker 1: people were getting your head and saying things, and you
Speaker 1: were changing your own god opinion. Yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: told me your spiritual advisor.
Speaker 2: Said Tom and that you and I were going to
Speaker 2: be very powerful together. And here I am, and we
Speaker 2: almost dressed as twins