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Speaker 2: This is News.
Speaker 3: In today's previously on news episode, we're catching up on
Speaker 3: the biggest geek news of the week, as we always do,
Speaker 3: and it is a busy week.
Speaker 2: We got this new iron.
Speaker 3: Heart, well the only iron Heart trailer that we've all
Speaker 3: been waiting for, and a new trailer for Superman. Can't
Speaker 3: wait for that looks fantastic. We'll also be talking about
Speaker 3: a new addition to the day Level cast, which we'll
Speaker 3: have Jessica Jones fans very excited.
Speaker 1: Let's get into new news. First up, the first official
Speaker 1: full length Superman trailer has been released, and folks, it's great,
Speaker 1: very very excited.
Speaker 3: I big things that immediately stand out to me that
Speaker 3: I loved. I adored the Lowis Clark chemistry.
Speaker 1: I love that trailer relationships.
Speaker 3: I know James Gunn must have been so happy when
Speaker 3: those two sat down together, because that was some seriously
Speaker 3: great stuff, and it was like, yeah, I mean super
Speaker 3: produce of Common just said like she actually cried when
Speaker 3: she watched the trailer, and it really does have that
Speaker 3: kind of impactful emotional theft. I love the Clock and
Speaker 3: Lowis stuff. I love that like Clark's like, yeah, I'll
Speaker 3: let you interview me as Superman because he sees them
Speaker 3: really as the same thing.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't realize he says that to girlfriend Lewis.
Speaker 3: But Lois Lane comes to thee she immediately locks into
Speaker 3: reporter and I love that.
Speaker 2: I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 3: We get so many big action sequences here, that big
Speaker 3: Kaiju that we know James Gum was really excited to introduce.
Speaker 3: We do get to see the engineer looking very scary
Speaker 3: and definitely very villainess, which I think is interesting. Seems
Speaker 3: like the Authority are going to be Lex's super team
Speaker 3: in this one. Definitely get more Lex here. I feel
Speaker 3: like it is channeling a more refined version of the
Speaker 3: gene Hackman Lex, where he is kind of a dandy,
Speaker 3: he is kind of eccentric. I loved it when he
Speaker 3: was wearing that kind of all black snow coat. I'm
Speaker 3: guessing because he'd been near the Fortress of Solitude. Interesting
Speaker 3: other things to note. They are claiming that there's this
Speaker 3: new character called the Hammer of Borovia that seems to
Speaker 3: be an original creation. I would be interested to see
Speaker 3: if that is the case, or if there's someone else
Speaker 3: inside the mech. Also, there's a moment that the Internet
Speaker 3: has been going crazy with, which is where we see
Speaker 3: this character Ultraman, who has all black and he's taking prisoner.
Speaker 3: There is a lot of questioning and interesting thoughts here
Speaker 3: about whether or not under that suit and under that
Speaker 3: mask is bizarro and to try and make a Superman
Speaker 3: of his own. We get to see Sean gun here
Speaker 3: as Maxwell Lord, which is like hilarious metamorphos some scary stuff. Also,
Speaker 3: we get a super prison where I think we see
Speaker 3: you know, some people are saying maybe it's Amethyst because
Speaker 3: of the purple dress. I think it's probably Star Sapphire.
Speaker 3: So I would say we're definitely gonna get to see.
Speaker 2: A lot of superheroes in this movie.
Speaker 3: We get more Guy Gardner who looks great, Hawk Girl
Speaker 3: looks great. Crypto punches the engineer in the face, which
Speaker 3: I love. We all need more shaggy dog style dogs.
Speaker 3: Randomly punching people.
Speaker 2: So I love that.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think that this reimagined score that they
Speaker 3: have really gets you into that emotional feeling of Superman.
Speaker 1: We'll tapping into the John Williams exactly DNA, which I
Speaker 1: think is so important in nic.
Speaker 3: And this movie comes out July eleventh, Like I think
Speaker 3: this is gonna be a crazy summer for the Blockbusters
Speaker 3: because if you'd have told me, you know, a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, oh, there's gonna be Fantastic four movie
Speaker 3: or a Superman movie, I would think Fantastic Four was
Speaker 3: going to decimate that movie because of the anticipation and waiting.
Speaker 3: But now we're both we're getting very different kind of film.
Speaker 3: Tore Fantastic Four is definitely in that retro futuristic space.
Speaker 3: It's connected to that heavier MCU law, which I think
Speaker 3: is going to be.
Speaker 2: You know, tough for some people. But after The Thunderbolts,
Speaker 2: which was.
Speaker 3: You know, a really good movie and had a lot
Speaker 3: of great responses, I do think Marvel is back on it.
Speaker 3: They're back at that peak again that people are excited about.
Speaker 3: But this movie looks really special and it's very different
Speaker 3: than anything James Gunn has done. Really so we could
Speaker 3: be looking at a big, big summer at the blockbusters.
Speaker 3: July is going to be crazy with Jurassic World, Fantastic Four,
Speaker 3: and Superman all in one month.
Speaker 1: It makes I just saw Friendship. Oh my gosh, it
Speaker 1: makes me think of it makes me think of the
Speaker 1: line's characters. Is where he goes, there's a new Marvel
Speaker 1: coming out and we got it. We gotta see it.
Speaker 2: I want to go see it, dude.
Speaker 3: I was definitely attacked by that specific there's a new
Speaker 3: Marvel coming out, we gotta go see and everyone's just like, no,
Speaker 3: I don't want to go And I'm like, that's me, sorry, guys,
Speaker 3: like that's me and Jason every day.
Speaker 1: Up next in I would say, surprising trailer drop news,
Speaker 1: surprising debut dates news. Ironheart trailer dropped this week and
Speaker 1: it came with an announcement of the show's debut date,
Speaker 1: which is June twenty fourth, which.
Speaker 4: Is next month.
Speaker 1: It feels like this snuck up on us.
Speaker 3: There's literally in there was like a teaser and that
Speaker 3: was it.
Speaker 1: But like almost no promo.
Speaker 2: I will say this, the power of the Internet.
Speaker 3: I do feel like influenced this because there's been a
Speaker 3: very vocal contingent of really great blood. Commenters being like, Hey,
Speaker 3: where is the trailer for this?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 2: Are we getting any hype for this show?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 2: The good Thing is a lot of us had assumed it.
Speaker 3: Was gonna be another The trailer's great, very kind of scary,
Speaker 3: definitely a different.
Speaker 2: Tone of reimagining of the hood.
Speaker 3: We're obviously gonna see that kind of like classic, almost
Speaker 3: like a gangster movie quandary of like is it worth
Speaker 3: doing bad things to help your community? That seems like
Speaker 3: where we're going. It also seems like we're gonna get
Speaker 3: to see re remaking her own kind of final suit,
Speaker 3: maybe more akin to what we've seen in the comics.
Speaker 2: Very spooky.
Speaker 3: There's even like a kind of saw trap element with
Speaker 3: the elevator in this. I thought it looked really interesting,
Speaker 3: really good. I love Dominique Thorn and a good Thing and.
Speaker 2: Making his ta you pre evil magic powers.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna get the magic powers kind of
Speaker 3: maybe power broker style, we shall see, or he's maybe
Speaker 3: like a sleight of hand magician. I was kind of
Speaker 3: giving that vibee exactly, And David Blaine's already like spooky,
Speaker 3: so I think it's like it would fit.
Speaker 2: But something else that is good about this.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a three episode premiere drop, which is
Speaker 3: nice because a lot of people were worried it was
Speaker 3: going to be a full season drop like they did
Speaker 3: with Echo or often then you don't get the same
Speaker 3: promotional drive, you don't get the same interviews, you don't
Speaker 3: get the same kind.
Speaker 2: Of focus on the story and in the conversation. So
Speaker 2: I'm excited for that. I also have to say a rare,
Speaker 2: you know, like a classic.
Speaker 3: This is a very drill tweet, like you don't have
Speaker 3: to give it to them, right, but but I do
Speaker 3: have to give it to them here. I hate to
Speaker 3: give it to them. I really liked the promotional all
Speaker 3: out for this. Once it started where you had Wilson,
Speaker 3: you had Vincent Donofrio and Charlie Cox watching it and
Speaker 3: getting really excited. You had Ryan Coogler, who is the
Speaker 3: producer on this show, talking about Reread, talking about her impact.
Speaker 3: I felt like, once you had those creatives and colleagues
Speaker 3: of Dominique and the show in that space promoting it,
Speaker 3: I thought that was a really cool way of showcasing
Speaker 3: the trailer and kind of getting people's eyes on it.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping this is going to be a sleeper hit
Speaker 2: and I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: Up next in great news, Kristin Ritter to dust off
Speaker 1: the Jessica Jones leather jacket for Darrinel.
Speaker 6: Jason.
Speaker 1: Finally the Defenders are coming. We've got to one of
Speaker 1: two six of the defenders. Wow, I mean, bring Luke
Speaker 1: back for sure, Bring.
Speaker 3: Luke back, dep and I think you know what, I've
Speaker 3: seen him. He's out here and Sigourney Weaver brings yes, please,
Speaker 3: that would be incredible also as well. I you know
Speaker 3: he's been asking for another chance. Danny rand like, I
Speaker 3: think let's let him let him one, let him train
Speaker 3: for longer than two weeks.
Speaker 2: Two yes, let him then hand it off to a
Speaker 2: different iron fist. It is a manager.
Speaker 1: We've said this, and this has been my take. Make
Speaker 1: make that part of the conversation. Actually he is he
Speaker 1: worthy of this? What does he have to live up to?
Speaker 2: Is it? Should it be him?
Speaker 1: Should it be him? Have him struggle with that, Put
Speaker 1: that on the screen. That would make for great storytelling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly opinion.
Speaker 3: And this was released, This news released at Disney's upfronts.
Speaker 3: They had Kristin Ritta there. She said, it's so great
Speaker 3: to be back, returning to Jessica after three seasons and
Speaker 3: the Defenders and now joining the MCU proper, which I
Speaker 3: found to be a very interesting specification seeing as those
Speaker 3: shows were technically originally meant to.
Speaker 2: Be part of the MCU.
Speaker 3: As she said, I'm so excited to bring back this
Speaker 3: iconic character, and without giving too much away, there is
Speaker 3: much more in store for Jessica Jones.
Speaker 2: This is going to be an incredible season.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: The PI nature of Jessica Jones is great. I would
Speaker 3: also love to see that kind.
Speaker 1: Of her working at the firm.
Speaker 2: Get her working at the firm also as well.
Speaker 3: I want to see that MCEU recalibration of like, what
Speaker 3: does a PI edgy, dark, violent, shut character like Jessica,
Speaker 3: How does she fit into the MCU. I think that's
Speaker 3: gonna be really fun. Obviously, we know she will not
Speaker 3: be able to say no to Matt. That's just the
Speaker 3: rules of all of these shows. So yeah, I know,
Speaker 3: here we go again, but yeah, fun times. Not fully surprised,
Speaker 3: But let's see if we keep hearing more about this,
Speaker 3: and if so, let's make sure that we're also bringing
Speaker 3: back Jessica Henwick as Colleen Wing. I would love to
Speaker 3: see some Daughters of a Dragon stuff bring back Misty too,
Speaker 3: fuck it. And if not, then let's have Jessica come
Speaker 3: back and let her be I am fisted, because that's
Speaker 3: what they always should have done. It's right there for
Speaker 3: you guys, it's ready.
Speaker 1: And then finally HBO has read or I should say,
Speaker 1: let's put it this way, Discovery Discovery, Warner Brothers, Discovery
Speaker 1: has rebranded HBO as HBO again, and it's in other words,
Speaker 1: what was Max is now HBO Max.
Speaker 3: I guess what we were all already already calling it
Speaker 3: HBO Max.
Speaker 2: So for us it is not really a big deal.
Speaker 3: Yes, for everybody really, for everybody really, but I will
Speaker 3: say it is if you are an industry watcher and
Speaker 3: you like to you've been. You know, we talk about
Speaker 3: David Zaslav, we talk about what's going on with Warner Brothers,
Speaker 3: and we.
Speaker 1: Must let's give him his flowers for Sinners and for Minecraft,
Speaker 1: you know, because they're making money.
Speaker 2: They're making money.
Speaker 3: And I would say letting Michael de Luca and Pam
Speaker 3: Abdy do their thing is clearly working in the movie range. Obviously,
Speaker 3: Superman if that's a billion dollar movie. It's gonna be
Speaker 3: looking good. But the change back to HBO, the recognition
Speaker 3: of the HBO brand, that probably tells you how they're
Speaker 3: feeling right now at Warner Brothers. They want to be
Speaker 3: prestigious again. The Discovery aspect is not necessarily working on
Speaker 3: in the same way. They kind of just pump out
Speaker 3: reality TV content that Zazlav is known for. I think
Speaker 3: they want to bring it back to the classic idea
Speaker 3: of HBO. This is very silly, but I will say
Speaker 3: I did love the way that it.
Speaker 2: Was rolled out on all the Max Social stuff. I
Speaker 2: think that.
Speaker 3: Even though they were obviously very self referential, very meta,
Speaker 3: and it also did feel kind of pointed, like I
Speaker 3: think that everyone who put those together enjoyed putting them together,
Speaker 3: the one with the from Euphoria and it was like, bitch,
Speaker 3: you better.
Speaker 2: Be kidding, like you bet.
Speaker 1: That certainly supports the This certainly supports the notion that
Speaker 1: there's going to be a sale exactly WBD properties over time,
Speaker 1: that they're maybe going to build around HBO Max keep
Speaker 1: that and spin off Discovery or else.
Speaker 2: If this is as the theories have long been.
Speaker 3: Going, I think this should be twenty twenty five should
Speaker 3: be the year when zaz Lab has owned Warner Brothers
Speaker 3: long enough that he could sell it or begin the
Speaker 3: conversations with the sale, so that could also.
Speaker 2: Be part of it.
Speaker 3: Also, this could just be Shenanigan's because do you know
Speaker 3: how much money they must have spent rebranding to max
Speaker 3: millions of dollars and now they're going to spend millions
Speaker 3: of doll.
Speaker 2: They just.
Speaker 3: Is not hard but yeah, hilarious, silly, and everyone in
Speaker 3: the discord was loving those memes, so all good.
Speaker 1: Up next after the ad break, stay tuned for our
Speaker 1: exclusive vineyary with the show Nurners and cast of Apple
Speaker 1: TV's Murder Bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now our exclusive interview with showrunners Paul and
Speaker 3: Chris Whites of Apple TV Plus's Murder Bot. And we've
Speaker 3: also got a little chat with some of the cast
Speaker 3: Sabrina Wu and Tatiana Jones.
Speaker 4: Hellok, you so much? How's it gone?
Speaker 5: Thanks?
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 3: Thank you? I really loved the show, so I appreciate
Speaker 3: you guys taking time talk to me today. Thank you.
Speaker 7: We appreciate you're taking time to watch it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I thought it was just the delightful so
Speaker 3: I was. I love the books, so I was primed
Speaker 3: for a success, but I did really think the cast
Speaker 3: and the kind of world you created is something very special.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 3: Something that kind of immediately spoke to me about it
Speaker 3: is that we don't often get a lot of kind
Speaker 3: of science fiction that is in the more optimistic space.
Speaker 3: We often are focused on the wars or the dystopias
Speaker 3: or the futures that have gone wrong. So could you
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about building a world, and especially
Speaker 3: obviously with the crew and the world therefrom that looks
Speaker 3: at science fiction in a bit of a different way.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think that Martha's World sort of discounts
Speaker 9: all those things that are part of dystopian universes in
Speaker 9: other movies and books. But it's kind of also dealing
Speaker 9: with the fact that, you know, one thinks of it
Speaker 9: as the human spirit, but really spirit of personality is
Speaker 9: like a cockroach is going to keep existing no matter
Speaker 9: what radioactive forces of crap are it's exposed to. And
Speaker 9: so to me, like, she's an amazing she's amazing at
Speaker 9: writing characters, full bodied characters, sort of primarily with murder Bot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what was it like to then try and
Speaker 3: bring that character to the screen because that is a
Speaker 3: very complex kind of conflict that you have to bring
Speaker 3: because obviously the books are from Mortibot's perspective, and also
Speaker 3: we know that Motibo is hacked, but the crew don't,
Speaker 3: but they would probably love to know that, you know,
Speaker 3: early on. That's kind of more what they would envision.
Speaker 3: So could you talk a little bit about balancing that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's really tricky to adapt to a first person
Speaker 7: narrated book, especially one that's with a character as complex
Speaker 7: as this one, and we genuinely mean that it's not
Speaker 7: just a great science fiction character, but kind of a
Speaker 7: great literary character. We had some experience doing it when
Speaker 7: we adapted About a Boy Nick Hornsby's book, and the
Speaker 7: trick is is how to time the voiceover and how
Speaker 7: to deploy the voiceover the sort of the inner monologue
Speaker 7: without it being too much or too little, without over explaining,
Speaker 7: without resorting to it for for plot purposes. So finding
Speaker 7: that balance is really tricky, and that takes a lot
Speaker 7: of time with in this case with Alexander, in terms
Speaker 7: of getting getting that right, getting the you know, the
Speaker 7: humor of the book, but also adding something to it
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 9: And also kind of keeping the tension going throughout having
Speaker 9: murder about not become cuddly ever, because there's something adorable about,
Speaker 9: you know, a character who is thinking horrible things of
Speaker 9: itself and of everybody around them on some level. But
Speaker 9: Alexander was really helpful in terms of that, in terms
Speaker 9: of really playing not showing its cards. I think that
Speaker 9: Alexander's confidence in terms of no, I'm going to be
Speaker 9: able to what one felt with Alexander is okay, this
Speaker 9: is still going to be interesting even if we're not
Speaker 9: showing too much and the other also having the other
Speaker 9: actors is so important and treating those other characters as
Speaker 9: if they're real people. Meaning that the book is very
Speaker 9: spare and implies a lot, It doesn't say much about
Speaker 9: why Garrathin is the way that Grathin is. Why Garrathin
Speaker 9: is so suspicious of murder Bot so kind of and
Speaker 9: instead of being like, oh, Gratham's a jerk, it's no.
Speaker 9: Gratham loves these people, has had things fall apart, has
Speaker 9: had horrible things happen in his life, and that's why
Speaker 9: he's being so so suspicious of murder Bot. And Gratham
Speaker 9: knows how crappy corporate culture is whereas these people don't
Speaker 9: like they've been living outside of the system and they
Speaker 9: think that love will prevail. But yeah, it's it's having
Speaker 9: fun with it without thinking that you're smarter than the author.
Speaker 3: Well, you and you mentioned kind of building that crew
Speaker 3: around Alex and what was it like putting that together,
Speaker 3: because I do think, you know, you talked about like
Speaker 3: the spirit of personality, like this is a crew that
Speaker 3: has so many different voices and so many different kind
Speaker 3: of lived experiences and then also adds so much to
Speaker 3: the story because I think something that really kind of
Speaker 3: sings about this work is the way you represent what
Speaker 3: relationships might look like in the future and how to
Speaker 3: connect what's going on now and the kind of younger
Speaker 3: generation the way they're looking at relationships and how that
Speaker 3: could become the norm. So could you talk a little
Speaker 3: bit about building the crew and kind of making sure
Speaker 3: you were getting that balance of personalities.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, it's very hard to go about in a
Speaker 7: systematic way. I think that we sort of wanted to
Speaker 7: take in what was being shown to us in terms
Speaker 7: of auditions and in terms of what we could see
Speaker 7: of other people's work, and it was just about what
Speaker 7: felt right in combination. You know, the books and the
Speaker 7: show don't really rely much on sort of trumped up
Speaker 7: conflict between characters. You know, they do have difficulties with
Speaker 7: each other, and there are kind of ins and outs
Speaker 7: of relationships, but they're mostly people who care about one another,
Speaker 7: and that's kind of interesting in and of itself. So
Speaker 7: then assembling a cast is kind of figuring out just
Speaker 7: the vibe that people are going to have with one another.
Speaker 9: Weirdly, I was thinking about the Peanuts characters a lot
Speaker 9: like Peanuts I love, and how like without doing much
Speaker 9: you immediately know like no line of linuses could be
Speaker 9: a line of Lucy's, and pig Pen is completely different
Speaker 9: from Franklin, from Snoopy, et cetera.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's even like a shot of their dancing together.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, and each of them has like it's like
Speaker 10: a Peanuts to take this way too far, Like to me,
Speaker 10: like murder Baugh was a combination of Charlie Brown and
Speaker 10: Snoopy because like Snoopy can do superhuman things and Charlie
Speaker 10: Brown is subject to depression.
Speaker 7: But yeah, Weirdly, there's also you know Winnie the Pooh
Speaker 7: as well, Like the way that those characters are are
Speaker 7: distinguished from from one another very.
Speaker 3: Ee or he can have very eloficial. I love the
Speaker 3: Snoopy Charlie Brown combo because I definitely, you know, I
Speaker 3: think about the The Great Pumpkin and an episode could
Speaker 3: very much be the crews trying to do something. They're
Speaker 3: going on a mission, and Murdible is absolutely like flying
Speaker 3: a plane around in his brain.
Speaker 4: Just like paying attention.
Speaker 3: I can definitely what was it like to then kind
Speaker 3: of get to the point where you're making the show
Speaker 3: and start to really see like, oh, this is right,
Speaker 3: Like this is a crew that stands there with those
Speaker 3: kind of star trek crews with that you want to
Speaker 3: know more and it feels like you got it's gelling.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Some some of it is the is the actors and
Speaker 9: trusting giving them space to to create the characters and
Speaker 9: trusting that, like they all ended up very happily, really
Speaker 9: liking each other, Like everybody who played one of the
Speaker 9: Prozocs crew really cared about each other. They're all really
Speaker 9: different from each other, which is great because that's a
Speaker 9: big question, is like can people really care about each
Speaker 9: other while being extremely dissimilar. And they did create kind
Speaker 9: of a little a little group. Which, so what you
Speaker 9: hope too is that, like perceptions you're making about people
Speaker 9: when you meet them, when you talk with them, can
Speaker 9: you can use those in a show or a movie.
Speaker 9: But for me, there was never a moment when it
Speaker 9: was like, oh, this is right. It was just a
Speaker 9: moment of like, Okay, don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 4: Just one less thing to be stressed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it comes to the kind of version of
Speaker 3: the future that you guys bring into it, obviously a
Speaker 3: key point of the books as well is this notion
Speaker 3: of how much Murder bought loves TV, like loves spinge
Speaker 3: watching entertainment. I feel like that is a really unique
Speaker 3: aspect of this show. I feel like we do not
Speaker 3: get a lot of science fiction shows where people just
Speaker 3: decide to still watch TV or where TV.
Speaker 4: Is a comfort to them. So could you talk about.
Speaker 3: Kind of bringing in that matter aspect obviously, like having
Speaker 3: to bring to life the shows that Sect Unit loves
Speaker 3: and stuff, and how you balance that aspect of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, in terms of coming up with Sanctuary Moon,
Speaker 7: we could use it as a repository for all of
Speaker 7: our worst instincts a storytellers in some ways, you know,
Speaker 7: like any cliche or like goofy bit of dialogue would
Speaker 7: go there. But that doesn't to say that we think
Speaker 7: it's bad. There's actually something really satisfying about kind of
Speaker 7: pulpy television and entertainment, and in some ways on one
Speaker 7: of the things that Martha is doing is kind of
Speaker 7: conducting a case for the defense for guilty pleasures. Right, Like,
Speaker 7: it's not I mean, you know, I'm a parent, and
Speaker 7: like I'm supposed to hate everything on Instagram and TikTok
Speaker 7: and screen time and all that stuff, but I also
Speaker 7: understand that the appeal of escapism as well. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 7: I think in a larger sense our show, that the
Speaker 7: show outside of the show is aimed to be entertaining
Speaker 7: and heartfelt and fun, as well as having things to
Speaker 7: say about you know, AI and all these kind of
Speaker 7: dystopian tendons season our culture right now, that it's okay
Speaker 7: to for things to be fun and for colors to
Speaker 7: be bright, and to enjoy watching things as an escape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's one of the things that is
Speaker 3: gonna you know, it's in the books obviously, but I
Speaker 3: think for people who haven't interacted with Murder but before
Speaker 3: on any level, I think it's going to be one
Speaker 3: of the things that makes that what feel so human,
Speaker 3: you know it is, It's the big relatable thing is like,
Speaker 3: this is someone who chooses with the extra time that
Speaker 3: they have, the freedom they have that like, I just
Speaker 3: need to escape the reality I'm in, So let me
Speaker 3: sit here and just watch other people, you know, living
Speaker 3: these adventures.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Alex really loved the idea that murder Butt may
Speaker 7: have big ideas about going off and having adventures in space,
Speaker 7: but really, when it comes down to it, it just
Speaker 7: wants to watch TV.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, what do you do if you can if
Speaker 9: you now can make choices, Well, you might imagine that
Speaker 9: you're going to go be a hero somewhere, but you're
Speaker 9: probably going to want to tune into your favorite show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's I think that there is evam Like
Speaker 3: you were saying, there's a lot of relevancy in this.
Speaker 3: But I do think that feeling of like what do
Speaker 3: you do when things are really scary and you're offered
Speaker 3: up a question of like what do you do next?
Speaker 3: There's a lot of us are just like okay, well,
Speaker 3: you know, for me, I'm like, let me put on
Speaker 3: murder She wrote, first, just work out regulate my nervous system.
Speaker 9: It's weirdly saying that David Lynch is saying that David
Speaker 9: Lynch got Actually like, because I'm looking at you know,
Speaker 9: if you pluck out like ten seconds of a lot
Speaker 9: of David Lynch movies, you could put it into a telenovela.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And speaking of you know that
Speaker 3: kind of relevancy, obviously, we are living in an age
Speaker 3: and I'm sure it would like, you know, a year ago,
Speaker 3: when you're you're shooting this, it's still a conversation. But
Speaker 3: now we're having that conversation more than ever about AI
Speaker 3: and robots and the way that we treat them and stuff.
Speaker 8: And I think murder Bot.
Speaker 3: Is a very nuanced representation of that because I love
Speaker 3: that it doesn't come out and say, hey, this is
Speaker 3: a good way for things to be completely It's very
Speaker 3: much in that gray space. And what I really love
Speaker 3: is more about how we treat robots, or how we
Speaker 3: treat sentient life, or how we treat people who are
Speaker 3: like othered and seen as less in humans. So could
Speaker 3: you kind of talk a little bit about that and
Speaker 3: how it feels now the show's coming out For it
Speaker 3: to be kind of more of a relevant talking point
Speaker 3: than most people who've probably ever made a sci fi
Speaker 3: have kind of not caught up at that point.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean I think we're looking at the
Speaker 7: possibility of AGI in the next couple of years, so
Speaker 7: it actually is really timely. I read this article by
Speaker 7: Ted Chang about I think it was a podcast interview.
Speaker 7: Actually he was less worried about what AI was going
Speaker 7: to do to us than what we're going to do
Speaker 7: to AI in terms of how we treat, you know,
Speaker 7: other sentient creatures, and.
Speaker 9: I also talk also it's about how we're going to
Speaker 9: shoot other humans as well, because there are all sorts
Speaker 9: of characteristics that make people want to dh minize other
Speaker 9: humans and make them look at not that them is
Speaker 9: less than people. So I think sort of like shifting
Speaker 9: over the paradigm because okay, so you know, we're animals,
Speaker 9: and I think that we still have one foot in
Speaker 9: wanting to be the alpha, for instance, in a pack,
Speaker 9: which is in larger social constructs really destructive. I think
Speaker 9: that it's an open question not only like sort of
Speaker 9: how much humanity does artificial intelligence have or what we
Speaker 9: think of as humanity, which to me, the great thing
Speaker 9: about This is like a sense of humor is a
Speaker 9: core facet of personhood and that doesn't have to do
Speaker 9: with being human or being artificial intelligence doesn't have to
Speaker 9: do with being neurotypical or neuroatypical or any other number
Speaker 9: of other things. It has to do with something that's
Speaker 9: more irreducible. But I think that these are happening at
Speaker 9: the same time. It's really weird because it is like,
Speaker 9: you know, the tie, It kind of comes in and
Speaker 9: goes out. But like the questions about artificial intelligence and
Speaker 9: how to grapple with it are coming at the same
Speaker 9: exact time as questions about about diversity, and uh, we're
Speaker 9: going to be able to encompass all sorts of different
Speaker 9: people and deal with them as as as fully as
Speaker 9: fully rendered people in our heads, no matter where you're
Speaker 9: coming from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you guys so much. I could talk about
Speaker 3: the show all day. Congrats on the show, Thank.
Speaker 4: You, and have a lovely day.
Speaker 7: Thanks, thanks, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Thanks a great day.
Speaker 8: Thanks Hi Rosie.
Speaker 3: How you guys do? Yeah, thank you so much for
Speaker 3: taking the time to talk to me today. I just
Speaker 3: absolutely loved the show. I thought it was wonderful, something
Speaker 3: that I feel like we don't often see is kind
Speaker 3: of comedy in science fiction and science fiction that is
Speaker 3: a little bit more optimistic or hopeful. It's often very dystopian. Sabrina,
Speaker 3: what was it like for you going into the show,
Speaker 3: kind of getting ready for a sort of sci fi
Speaker 3: space that we haven't really seen before, preparing for a
Speaker 3: new version of sci fi.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so, I mean I come from a comedy background,
Speaker 11: so in some ways I was like, I can't believe
Speaker 11: this gets to happen. It's a really I was like
Speaker 11: begging agents. I was like please, because I love like
Speaker 11: anime and genre stuff. I was like, if I get
Speaker 11: to do something where I get to shoot.
Speaker 4: A gun, that would be awesome. So I was very excited.
Speaker 11: But it was definitely an adjustment to be honest set
Speaker 11: where like you know where it's like sometimes it's very dramatic,
Speaker 11: sometimes it's funny, And I used to only gauge how
Speaker 11: well I was doing off of how funny I was,
Speaker 11: And sometimes you know, when you're sci fi show like
Speaker 11: it really for it's like it's an acting challenge, Like
Speaker 11: there is a guy holding a poll with a tennis
Speaker 11: ball and you're supposed to act like that is like
Speaker 11: a giant twenty foot like more monster and not laugh
Speaker 11: and not make a joke about it, And that was
Speaker 11: that was tough, or or even just like the earnestness
Speaker 11: of our characters.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I was like I was having like I was like,
Speaker 4: am I cringe?
Speaker 11: And then I'd be like, but I'm supposed to be
Speaker 11: cringe and that's the whole point, and I'm supposed to
Speaker 11: be so vulnerable. And I mean it was all that
Speaker 11: kind of tensions that we got to play. But yeah,
Speaker 11: I mean it was so fine and a really great challenge.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was fun watching you meld those characters.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't You'll have to say this, but
Speaker 6: I don't think Pinley is that far off from you.
Speaker 8: Think you share many same characteristics.
Speaker 4: That's completely fall.
Speaker 3: Don't blow up my spot.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I take it all back. I took it off back.
Speaker 4: What was tato?
Speaker 3: What was it like for you to kind of have
Speaker 3: that find that balance between the drummer and the comedy
Speaker 3: of the show.
Speaker 6: I I so, I have to admit, I mean I've
Speaker 6: told Sad this before, but I was a fan of
Speaker 6: Sabs beforehand. So when I found out that this was
Speaker 6: going to dance, that line of drama and comedy, this
Speaker 6: sort of sci fi thriller comedic new thing that we've created.
Speaker 8: And that I was going to get to do that
Speaker 8: with sab I was just like, just don't mess it up,
Speaker 8: Just don't mess it up.
Speaker 6: And I just had so much fun doing that. And
Speaker 6: then when I got to do it on the day,
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, yeah, I.
Speaker 11: Love working with Tatya and like really just like such
Speaker 11: a seasoned, amazing actor who like like made some of
Speaker 11: like the hardest, like you know, like because there's a
Speaker 11: lot of vulnerability in love between us, and I just
Speaker 11: feel like Tatia I knew, we just really knew what
Speaker 11: she was doing and like created like just helped create
Speaker 11: like a sense of like intimacy.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I would have been able to
Speaker 4: do by myself.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love that. And also I was
Speaker 3: gonna say, the general vibe of like a romance that
Speaker 3: we see in a science fiction like you know, Star
Speaker 3: Wars or something is like very tropey and the same
Speaker 3: in every version. The version we yet to see of
Speaker 3: love and romance here is completely different. So could you
Speaker 3: also talk a little bit about kind of exploring that
Speaker 3: and envisioning a different version of romance for the future.
Speaker 3: Sabrina'll start with you again.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, sure.
Speaker 11: I mean there's some of the classic in it where
Speaker 11: it's just like you know, like I like Pinley feels
Speaker 11: really protective of Aurana, like you know, our life is
Speaker 11: on the line. But yeah, there are parts of it
Speaker 11: that you're like, oh, I didn't expect that, just like
Speaker 11: there's like marital like there's a little bit of like
Speaker 11: I sort of sometimes I felt like, oh, we're like
Speaker 11: we have old married people problems and we love each other,
Speaker 11: but we can't seem to totally be on the same
Speaker 11: page about like what we want we're looking for us
Speaker 11: I think just in general, like our story where we're
Speaker 11: kind of trying to expand our relationship is really a
Speaker 11: specific to the show. And like, as somebody who has
Speaker 11: been in like poly setups, I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 11: I felt this big time, you know, like I felt
Speaker 11: just like so real and true to some of the
Speaker 11: dynamics you know that happen in our current you know
Speaker 11: Earth setup and it's cool to see it in space.
Speaker 6: I guess, yeah, that's how I felt that it was.
Speaker 8: I felt like we got to.
Speaker 6: Do this thing that was supposed to be in the future,
Speaker 6: but that it was actually more of love like.
Speaker 8: We know it today, where there is communication.
Speaker 6: I hope love in the future has I don't know,
Speaker 6: maybe more communication if I wish anything for Pinley and Errata.
Speaker 8: I'm watching them and I'm going.
Speaker 6: Maybe you should communicate better. Maybe, But I don't know
Speaker 6: about I don't know about the future. I felt like
Speaker 6: it was a really beautiful example of how we navigate
Speaker 6: love today and how people are willing to do that today,
Speaker 6: and that it's not something that's coming, it's something that's
Speaker 6: here now, and that's what we're working on making better
Speaker 6: for the future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. I feel like a lot of
Speaker 3: the show is about kind of making things beat for
Speaker 3: the future, especially in the times of the crew. And
Speaker 3: obviously it feels very relevant right now to be considering
Speaker 3: how we treat kind of robots and AI and technology.
Speaker 3: So how does it feel to be talking about a
Speaker 3: show that really seems to be at the forefront of
Speaker 3: that conversation when it probably when you were making the show,
Speaker 3: we did not know we would be in a kind
Speaker 3: of AI taking over the world kind of being the
Speaker 3: main part of the conversation as it is. Now, what
Speaker 3: was it like to kind of explore that aspect of
Speaker 3: kind of sentient life? And how do we treat a
Speaker 3: robot that is meant to, you know, help us, or
Speaker 3: in this case is essentially like an indentured servant. What
Speaker 3: was that kind of did How does it feel now
Speaker 3: that everything is so relevant to the real world as well?
Speaker 8: Tatiana, I don't think. I don't think there's any difference.
Speaker 6: This is my own opinion, but I don't think that
Speaker 6: there's any difference, and I'm definitely erring on the side
Speaker 6: of being a better human being. So why not treat
Speaker 6: everything outside of myself, including myself, with a form of respect.
Speaker 6: I think history has proven to us that the opposite
Speaker 6: does not work and is.
Speaker 8: Not sustainable in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 6: And so the way that this show particularly examines that
Speaker 6: in the sort of human and then humanish robotish dynamic,
Speaker 6: I think really serves to highlight asking ourselves those questions.
Speaker 8: How am I treating myself?
Speaker 6: How am I treating the beings, be them sentient or
Speaker 6: non sentient outside of myself?
Speaker 8: How can I work on that a little bit better?
Speaker 8: I know Saba.
Speaker 6: Saba is always teasing me because I two am one
Speaker 6: who will go on chat GPT and talk to it
Speaker 6: like a person.
Speaker 8: But that could just be me and the way that
Speaker 8: I use the internet.
Speaker 11: But yeah, I'm very afraid of it. I'm like, stay
Speaker 11: from chat GPT. Obviously it would be very nice to
Speaker 11: chat GBT. But like, but I think actually one of
Speaker 11: the I felt like when we filmed it a year ago,
Speaker 11: I was already like, oh, man, AI is a really
Speaker 11: big conversation, and like, one thing I like about the
Speaker 11: show is I don't think it takes this stance that like, oh,
Speaker 11: you know, AI is just like a like it's a
Speaker 11: good thing objectively, Like I think like I think the
Speaker 11: show actually correctly points out that, like we need to
Speaker 11: be really wary of like companies and like what their
Speaker 11: motives are. And I think like the show is pushing forward.
Speaker 11: If there's any messaging the show is really pushing forward,
Speaker 11: it's that like we need to have a lot of
Speaker 11: compassion for people and anything you know that might even
Speaker 11: resemble people or or things that were like people that
Speaker 11: you know, society has deemed non people, which I think
Speaker 11: is like really really relevant to you know today, And
Speaker 11: I was like, oh, thank god, because I was not.
Speaker 4: Ready to take a pro AI stance personally, I make I.
Speaker 3: Make comic books too, So yes, no, it's a it's
Speaker 3: a very complex space, and I'm definitely on the deafitly
Speaker 3: on the fence about it too. But in the same way,
Speaker 3: even though I'm not a cha GTP user, if i
Speaker 3: see one of those little like delivery robots that drive
Speaker 3: around LA delivering people food, I'm always like, oh, my friend,
Speaker 3: like my cute, my cute guy just on his way
Speaker 3: to work.
Speaker 8: I do that too.
Speaker 4: I literally was like worried that my room but was
Speaker 4: working too hard.
Speaker 3: I was like, you need to change, my friend, please rest.
Speaker 3: We just love little guys.
Speaker 8: Just a little guy like and I.
Speaker 4: Kind of love I love my little guys and identifies
Speaker 4: a little guy.
Speaker 3: Identify as a little guy.
Speaker 4: I felt it. I was like, I felt that.
Speaker 3: You could send the little guy and finger on me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a little guy. That's a little guy, right.
Speaker 3: I do love that in this version of our kind
Speaker 3: of futurist society, the little guy that we are kind
Speaker 3: of falling for is not like a cute you know,
Speaker 3: your average little guy kind of robot way or like
Speaker 3: I love this, it's like a scary kind of corporate
Speaker 3: being that's broken out from that and is then in
Speaker 3: this kind of really fun to watch battle with itself
Speaker 3: of like how much can I trust these humans to
Speaker 3: let them know that I'm actually freer than I am?
Speaker 3: So what was the kind of journey like of getting
Speaker 3: to know, you know, sec unit and getting to kind
Speaker 3: of balance that we just want to like work with them,
Speaker 3: you see, such a good guy and kind of that
Speaker 3: duality of what Alex has to do by kind of
Speaker 3: keeping part of him to himself. That's the hones, sorry,
Speaker 3: seeing as we were a little guying so hard.
Speaker 6: Always we're holding space for a little guy.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 8: That's that really is shown throughout the series. I think,
Speaker 8: and it came it's in the writing.
Speaker 6: What Alex brought to this character is really really, really special,
Speaker 6: and so we were able to organically explore these things
Speaker 6: that that came out that were essentially like what is
Speaker 6: our reaction to something like this and to having somebody
Speaker 6: like Alex, who is so talented, so kind, so lovely,
Speaker 6: such a great leader. To have somebody like that embody
Speaker 6: this character, it really I don't know, it was really
Speaker 6: like no acting required because then I have to ask
Speaker 6: myself all of these questions in myself and then run
Speaker 6: that through Arata's you know, vessel and all of that stuff.
Speaker 6: So it was it was a real joy to have
Speaker 6: to do both, to have to discover for Arata and
Speaker 6: then have Arata highlight certain things for Tatiana that I
Speaker 6: got to go, oh, yeah, I need to think about that.
Speaker 6: I'm not quite sure about that, or maybe I need
Speaker 6: to go away. And so I hope that when people
Speaker 6: watch it they will have that same response, that they
Speaker 6: will ask themselves those same questions and be interested in
Speaker 6: that same way and go, oh I thought I knew
Speaker 6: how I felt, but maybe I don't, and like, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm okay with it if it's this way, but not
Speaker 6: if it's that way, and why is that? And yeah,
Speaker 6: I think the show does a beautiful job of sparking
Speaker 6: those questions.
Speaker 3: And you mentioned Sabrina that you love anime, you love genre,
Speaker 3: So was there anything that when you got this job
Speaker 3: you immediately went back and watched and were like, these
Speaker 3: are the kind of sci fi stories I love. Like,
Speaker 3: did you go back and watch Cowboy Bebop?
Speaker 12: And you were like, oh, I need to have a
Speaker 12: rag tag crew of cool space people or was there
Speaker 12: any kind of influences that you look to as you
Speaker 12: kind of began to explore the show.
Speaker 4: I rewatched Silo.
Speaker 11: I mean, I watched some of the Apple TV Plus
Speaker 11: shows just to be like, you know, because we were
Speaker 11: going to do this Apple TV Plus show.
Speaker 4: But honestly, and.
Speaker 11: I'm sorry, I already talked about it, but I really
Speaker 11: did rewatch them with Buffy like to think about the show,
Speaker 11: because I think there are some similar qualities.
Speaker 4: It's like an ensemblesh show, like.
Speaker 11: And like you know, like there is a lot of action,
Speaker 11: but at the core, it's like it's just like, I
Speaker 11: don't know, like I think our show also sits on
Speaker 11: a nice edge of like sometimes really heavy drama and
Speaker 11: then sometimes like it's like pretty wacky and fun.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I returned to.
Speaker 11: That, and I yeah, I mean it's a classic. Unfortunately,
Speaker 11: my anime watched it. I watched like literally like Naruto,
Speaker 11: and I just I can't proudly watch that show.
Speaker 8: You know what, People they love Naruto.
Speaker 3: It's got thousand episodes.
Speaker 4: It there's a reason it's so popular.
Speaker 8: I know, it's been going.
Speaker 4: For a long time.
Speaker 3: No, no Ruto runs in the show that I saw
Speaker 3: but maybe for season two. Everyone's right with the out spot, Tatsiana,
Speaker 3: how about you with that? Any kind of did you
Speaker 3: do any sci fi deep dives to to get ready
Speaker 3: for the show.
Speaker 8: We were set up for success. We had seven books
Speaker 8: to go from.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say math and well, oh he's a legend.
Speaker 6: If you haven't at him, go and read those two.
Speaker 6: But I was enthralled when I read the books. And
Speaker 6: I'm not a side. I don't gravitate to sci fi
Speaker 6: when I'm picking up a book or doing anything like that,
Speaker 6: but having to read it for work, I'm so glad.
Speaker 6: I'm so glad because now my opinion has changed, and
Speaker 6: now my horizons have broadened, and now I consider those
Speaker 6: sorts of things. But Martha's a very very special talent,
Speaker 6: and to read those books, everything is intact in those books,
Speaker 6: and I think Chris and Paul did a beautiful job
Speaker 6: of really creating something new but staying true to the
Speaker 6: books simultaneously. Which if that's a dance and dragons, that yeah,
Speaker 6: it has to be acknowledged.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, it's it's I love those books. I
Speaker 3: love a novella. It's and I used to just be
Speaker 3: able to flip through something and that I was kind
Speaker 3: of blown away by. It was very different how I
Speaker 3: envisioned it, but it still felt very true, true to
Speaker 3: the story. Something else I thought was really cool about
Speaker 3: the show, which is not like as much a giant
Speaker 3: part of your guys story, but it's a big part
Speaker 3: of you know, Alex's stories. I love that this is
Speaker 3: a future where they envisioned that TV is still a
Speaker 3: massive part of people's lives. I feel like in Star Wars,
Speaker 3: no one's just like binge watching TV. You know. So
Speaker 3: what was it like to be making a TV show
Speaker 3: where TV is actually like a major plot point and
Speaker 3: you're kind of constantly talk It's almost like you're talking
Speaker 3: about the romance, Like the romance is futuristic, but it's
Speaker 3: really what's happening now. And the way that TV is
Speaker 3: used in the show is very realistic to how we
Speaker 3: interact with it now. What was that element like.
Speaker 8: I just felt seen? I just felt seen. You were
Speaker 8: like I too, binge TV.
Speaker 4: That's all We're in a binging era. Yeah, we're in
Speaker 4: a numbing binging era to me.
Speaker 11: I also it made me feel so much more connected
Speaker 11: to like sometimes you watch sci fi and it just
Speaker 11: feels far away, like it's an escapist thing. And like
Speaker 11: when I'm like, wait, these people are watching TV and
Speaker 11: they're dealing with like Paully.
Speaker 4: Amory, I'm like, like.
Speaker 11: This could be me, this could be my kids, Like
Speaker 11: you know, it like feels so like it makes me
Speaker 11: feel very connected, like as a real possibility, you know,
Speaker 11: for our future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, Thank you both so much. Congrats on the show.
Speaker 3: I thought it was wonderful. Lilah, appreciate you and yeah,
Speaker 3: we both have a good great day you. Next week
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