WEBVTT - Hair on Fire, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Robert Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am Joe McCormick. And today on Stuff to

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<v Speaker 3>Blow Your Mind, I wanted to talk about burning hair.

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<v Speaker 3>That might be a kind of unusually niche or weird

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<v Speaker 3>thing to look into. But I was inspired to do

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<v Speaker 3>this a couple of weeks ago, on the fourth of

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<v Speaker 3>July actually, when I was making food for a big

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<v Speaker 3>family get together. You know, I was out in the

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<v Speaker 3>backyard grilling, and I did something I have done many

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<v Speaker 3>times before, which is burn all the hair off part

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<v Speaker 3>of my arm. Oh no, yeah, turn and look. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean like I wasn't like badly burned myself, like on

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<v Speaker 3>my skin, but you know, at some point I looked

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<v Speaker 3>down and realized, like, oh, what are all these weird

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<v Speaker 3>little kind of pale curls. Oh I see? Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you say you've done this before? Do you at

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<v Speaker 2>least alternate arms or is it just always the same

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<v Speaker 2>arm that it gets?

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<v Speaker 3>It's always my right arm because that's the arm I'm

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<v Speaker 3>right handed doing that, you know, That's what I'm manipulating

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<v Speaker 3>the food with. You know, sometimes it's more the hand,

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<v Speaker 3>like the I don't know if it's gross to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about your hand hair, like the hair on my knuckles,

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<v Speaker 3>the hair on my back, the back of my hand

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<v Speaker 3>that gets burned off. This time, it was mainly along

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<v Speaker 3>like my forearm and the outside of my wrist. I

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<v Speaker 3>wonder if other grill operators have had similar experiences, because

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<v Speaker 3>I never burn my hand or arm hair when I'm

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<v Speaker 3>grilling a small amount of food, like a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>portions of whatever. It's always when I'm grilling for a

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<v Speaker 3>big crowd. So I guess it has something to do

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<v Speaker 3>with like trying to like fit a bunch of different

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<v Speaker 3>individual items on the grill and then go down the

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<v Speaker 3>line flipping them or moving them one at a time,

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<v Speaker 3>and something about that means like I'm holding my arm

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<v Speaker 3>directly over the hot part of the grill more or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, well, that that would make sense, because I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about this, was like, Okay, I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever done this myself, but I think look back

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<v Speaker 2>on all on the grilling I have done over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is generally just grilling for probably just for

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<v Speaker 2>my immediate family. So it's feeling just for like two

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<v Speaker 2>or three people, it's probably just going to be veggies

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<v Speaker 2>that aren't on there very long. And yeah, for I

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<v Speaker 2>guess a variety of reasons, and luck I have not

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<v Speaker 2>like burnt a lot of arm hair on the grill,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have to, so I have to ask like

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<v Speaker 2>the follow up questions, like what you mentioned what it

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<v Speaker 2>looked like, but that it was was that the primary

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<v Speaker 2>way that you realize something had happened, or was there

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<v Speaker 2>also like a skin level sensation And was there a smell?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's there's the feeling of heat obviously, which

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<v Speaker 3>but that's just naturally the air because like I'm reaching

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<v Speaker 3>over a hot fire, I think there is a smell normal,

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<v Speaker 3>And in fact, I would say that the smell is

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<v Speaker 3>probably the most characteristic and instantly recognizable sensory part of

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<v Speaker 3>the burning hair experience. Right, I mean, almost anybody I

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<v Speaker 3>think can immediately think of the smell of burning hair.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems to stick in people's minds, even if hair

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<v Speaker 3>burning is like not something that happens very often to them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just sort of I don't know, do you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean, Like it just sort of like sticks

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<v Speaker 3>in your memory what that smells like?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'd be kind of wired, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>to recognize.

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<v Speaker 3>It specifically in the context of grilling, though, there are

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<v Speaker 3>already a lot of volatiles in the air, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of smoke, a lot of particles and everything. It's

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<v Speaker 3>an intense smell experience already, So I think the smell

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<v Speaker 3>of the burning hair, especially if there's only a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of it, just kind of blends in more. You

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<v Speaker 3>might not notice that first. In this case. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>remember just like looking down at my arm, the part

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<v Speaker 3>that had been hot, and being like, oh, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 3>happened again.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay that yeah, that would make sense. There are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of competing smells going on there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, this experience got me wondering about the science

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<v Speaker 3>of burning hair. I started to wonder, you know, some

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<v Speaker 3>questions about the basic science and chemistry involve like how

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<v Speaker 3>flammable is human hair, and why does it smell that way?

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<v Speaker 3>And so forth. I was looking around for good sources

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<v Speaker 3>on the on the question of the sort of the

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<v Speaker 3>underlying chemistry of the smell of burning hair, and basically

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<v Speaker 3>the best sources I found pointed me to the presence

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<v Speaker 3>of sulfur. Of course, hair is mostly made of keratin,

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<v Speaker 3>which is primarily protein, and of course those proteins, when

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<v Speaker 3>they're burned, release their own sort of smells. There are

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<v Speaker 3>characteristic protein burning smells that we might associate with the

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<v Speaker 3>burning of other types of skin and even fingernails and

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<v Speaker 3>things like that. But a big thing is the presence

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<v Speaker 3>of sulfur. According to a paper that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>mention in a little bit, human hair is approximately five

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<v Speaker 3>percent sulfur, and that sulfur content is largely responsible for

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<v Speaker 3>or the characteristic smell. And this is interesting to me

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<v Speaker 3>because it explains a similarity at least as far as

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<v Speaker 3>I can remember. That burning hair, to me, smells a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit like lighting a match. Lighting a match produces

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<v Speaker 3>the distinctive smell of sulfur dioxide or generally sulfur compounds,

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<v Speaker 3>which happened because there is usually sulfur content in a matchhead.

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<v Speaker 3>It's part of what burns to set the match alight.

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<v Speaker 3>As a side note, apparently it is kind of known

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<v Speaker 3>that you can temporarily mask other unpleasant smells. A commonly

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<v Speaker 3>referenced one is the smell of feces by striking a match.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever heard this before?

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<v Speaker 2>Rob? Oh? Yeah, yeah, of course, you know. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes even see that in at least residential bathrooms, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there will be like some matches out by the bathroom facilities,

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's interesting. I don't know if I ever made

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<v Speaker 3>that connection, I would have assumed that if there were

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<v Speaker 3>matches out, they're usually paired with a candle, and the

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<v Speaker 3>idea is that you would use the matches to light

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<v Speaker 3>like a pleasantly scented candle. And I always understood that

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<v Speaker 3>as the ideas you would use a pleasantly scented candle

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<v Speaker 3>to mask the smell of feces in a bathroom or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess often but not always, I guess. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there is also like the kind of just a saying

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<v Speaker 2>right like oh, there's a bad smell that may be

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<v Speaker 2>associated with digestion. Someone will be like, ah, somebody light

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<v Speaker 2>a match, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, Well, I may have misunderstood those sayings as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I probably would interpret that as like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>what's the polite way of putting it, lighting a fart

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<v Speaker 3>kind of comment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't Well, I'm not sure that that was

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<v Speaker 2>the level of excitement, like it's a bad smell in here,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see if it can busts. It's more like there's

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<v Speaker 2>an unpleasant odor. Let us light a match so that

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<v Speaker 2>the smell of that struck match might mask the stink

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<v Speaker 2>that has enveloped us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, well, so now I'm understanding several things about

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<v Speaker 3>the world differently than I did before this conversation. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>so it makes me think about I see like a

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<v Speaker 3>candle in the bathroom and some matches. Maybe I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about the mechanism differently. It's actually the lighting of the

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<v Speaker 3>match more so than the candle that helps, sort of

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<v Speaker 3>like calm your mind about the smells in there. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>the idea is that the sulfur compounds released by striking

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<v Speaker 3>a match overpower other smells in our olfactory recognition. I

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<v Speaker 3>have seen it written in a couple of places that

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<v Speaker 3>the idea is when you strike a match like it

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<v Speaker 3>burns up the bad gases responsible for causing the smell

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<v Speaker 3>in the air. That does not seem to be true.

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<v Speaker 3>It's more kind of like your nose and your brain

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<v Speaker 3>are primed to just let the smell of the struck match.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this will be primarily the smell of sulfur dioxide.

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<v Speaker 3>It just take over your smell sensing abilities. But it

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<v Speaker 3>makes me wonder if the burning of hair also releases

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<v Speaker 3>these sulfur compounds that are responsible for the characteristic smell,

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<v Speaker 3>if you could likewise cover up the you know, these

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<v Speaker 3>unpleasant bodies body aroma's, fecal smells and stuff by burning hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we're not advising that, no, no, but just from

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<v Speaker 2>like a chemical standpoint, okay, perhaps so.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the most surprising and interesting things I discovered

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<v Speaker 3>by looking into these questions about the science of burning

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<v Speaker 3>hair was that some of the best research I could

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<v Speaker 3>find on this came from studies about hair catching on

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<v Speaker 3>fire in spaceships.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, attack ships on fire off the shoulder of orion, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the main paper I was looking at is

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<v Speaker 3>called the Flammability of Human Hair in Exploration Atmospheres from

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<v Speaker 3>the year two thousand and nine in the SAE Journal

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<v Speaker 3>International Journal of Aerospace by Sandra L. Olson, Devon W. Griffin,

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<v Speaker 3>David L. L. Be, Gary A. Ruff, and Elizabeth A. Smith.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the authors here begin by referencing an older

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<v Speaker 3>study that I'll mention in a second that says the

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<v Speaker 3>flammability of both skin and hair has actually been a

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<v Speaker 3>subject of major concern since the early stages of the

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<v Speaker 3>US BASE program, and they refer back to an older paper,

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<v Speaker 3>one from nineteen sixty eight by Robert L. Durfey called

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<v Speaker 3>the Flammability of Skin and Hair in Oxygen enriched Atmospheres.

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<v Speaker 3>This was published in the OR as part of a

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<v Speaker 3>USAF School of Aerospace Medicine technical report. This was from

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<v Speaker 3>December nineteen sixty eight, and durfy begins this study from

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<v Speaker 3>sixty eight by saying, quote, observations after recent fires involving

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<v Speaker 3>human subjects in oxygen atmospheres indicate that the humans may

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<v Speaker 3>have contributed to the spread of fires through combustion of

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<v Speaker 3>their skin and hair. So obviously that's quite morbid. But

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<v Speaker 3>I was wondering what this refers to, and I figured

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<v Speaker 3>that since this was published in nineteen sixty eight, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it almost certainly must be referring, at least in

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<v Speaker 3>part to the tragedy of the Apollo one fire, which

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<v Speaker 3>killed three astronauts on January twenty seventh, nineteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Those astronauts were Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger B. Chaffey,

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<v Speaker 3>and they died during a launch test that was less

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<v Speaker 3>than a month before the scheduled mission, so they weren't

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<v Speaker 3>actually in space. It was a ground test on Earth

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<v Speaker 3>before the launch of an orbital mission. And the tragedy

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<v Speaker 3>was that a flash fire broke out inside the cabin

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<v Speaker 3>of the command module. The fire probably started with There

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<v Speaker 3>could have been several ignition points, but it may have

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<v Speaker 3>been an electrical arc from faulty wiring, maybe connected to

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of chemical present like a volume of anti

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<v Speaker 3>freeze fluid called glycol. But however it started, it spread

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<v Speaker 3>very rapidly due to the enriched oxgen atmosphere pressurized inside

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<v Speaker 3>the cabin. It was basically pure oxygen in there, and

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<v Speaker 3>due to a variety of combustible materials spread throughout the

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<v Speaker 3>cabin interior. Now, remember, as we've talked about on the

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<v Speaker 3>show before, fire needs three things to burn. It needs heat,

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<v Speaker 3>it needs fuel, and it needs oxygen. Obviously, in this scenario,

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<v Speaker 3>there could have been an initial heat source, some kind

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<v Speaker 3>of ignition point. There would have been lots of oxygen

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<v Speaker 3>because it was a pure oxygen atmosphere inside the command module.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the question is what was the fuel and

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<v Speaker 3>what was the fuel roll of various substances including parts

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<v Speaker 3>of human bodies inside the command module, and so this

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<v Speaker 3>study was looking into human hair and skin, and so

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<v Speaker 3>one thing it says that is that taken as a whole,

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<v Speaker 3>even with enriched oxygen around, human skin is not especially

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<v Speaker 3>flammable because it has a lot of water in it, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So there is a major heat sink in human bodies

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<v Speaker 3>where heat has to be continually applied from the outside

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<v Speaker 3>in order for it to burn. There's a lot of water.

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<v Speaker 3>That water must be turned into water vapor, so it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't catch fire easily. However, there are sort of little

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<v Speaker 3>layers on the outside of skin and also hair which

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<v Speaker 3>can catch fire in enriched oxygen environments much more easily.

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<v Speaker 3>This study from sixty eight found that a high concentration

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<v Speaker 3>of inert helium in the air in an environment, in

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<v Speaker 3>this case seventy five percent helium, would prevent hair from

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<v Speaker 3>burning at regular atmospheric pressure. And the study also tested

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<v Speaker 3>various protective measures such as smearing the skin and hair

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<v Speaker 3>with protective lotions and greases and covering it with flame

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<v Speaker 3>repellent cloth.

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<v Speaker 2>Was just shaving off all the hair just not an option.

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<v Speaker 2>Seems like if I got to choose between the two

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<v Speaker 2>for my space mission. I would just say, well, can

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<v Speaker 2>we just buzz it all off?

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<v Speaker 3>That is an option that is discussed in the two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and nine paper, which I'll come back to now.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, So initially they cite the Derfy study and

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<v Speaker 3>they say, as a general matter, there are several factors

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<v Speaker 3>to consider that could increase the risk of fires within

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<v Speaker 3>spacecraft or space exploration testing environments. And a big one

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<v Speaker 3>they call out is the same thing we were just

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<v Speaker 3>talking about, elevated oxygen levels. So in some cases ambient

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<v Speaker 3>within spacecraft, but also in cases where supplemental oxygen is

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<v Speaker 3>being provided through a mask. Now, when would there be

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<v Speaker 3>supplemental oxygen inside a spacecraft, You could say, possibly in

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<v Speaker 3>a medical intervention for an ill or injured crew member.

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<v Speaker 3>They might have extra oxygen supplied to them. This is

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<v Speaker 3>common in hospitals on Earth as well, or possibly during

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<v Speaker 3>emergencies such as the leak of toxic chemicals or in

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<v Speaker 3>fighting a pre existing fire. Now, the authors point out

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<v Speaker 3>something interesting about the case of breathing pure oxygen through

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<v Speaker 3>a mask. They say, quote, for every breath of pure

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<v Speaker 3>oxygen breathed in, the exhaled breath still contains ninety five

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<v Speaker 3>percent of the oxygen. This creates an environment of increased

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<v Speaker 3>oxygen near the head and chest. Now I did not

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<v Speaker 3>know that and don't think I would have thought about

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<v Speaker 3>that before, but from what I looked up in other sources, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>this seems right. In breathing say normal air on Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>which is roughly twenty one percent oxygen and the rest

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<v Speaker 3>is mostly nitrogen. In rough terms, that air on Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if you say twenty percent is oxygen, about

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen percent of the air you breathe out is oxygen.

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<v Speaker 3>So what happened to that missing five percent of the air, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>about five percent of the air is oxygen that is

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<v Speaker 3>absorbed by the lungs. So when you breathe in, you

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<v Speaker 3>absorb about five percent of the air, about a quarter

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<v Speaker 3>of the total oxygen content of the air, and then

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<v Speaker 3>that oxygen is replaced mostly with carbon dioxide when you

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<v Speaker 3>breathe out. So that leaves you with what the author said.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're breathing pure oxygen, say throw a mask in

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<v Speaker 3>one of these scenarios, what you breathe out would be

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<v Speaker 3>roughly ninety five percent oxygen. So the area around your

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<v Speaker 3>head as you're exhaling is going to have a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more oxygen in it than it normally would now note

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<v Speaker 3>with regard to ambient oxygen, the oxygen levels used in

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<v Speaker 3>different space exploration and environments have varied. The International Space

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<v Speaker 3>Station actually maintains roughly the Earth's atmosphere mixture of gases

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<v Speaker 3>in the air, so about twenty one percent oxygen. The

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<v Speaker 3>rest is nitrogen, but the nitrogen has to be supplied

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<v Speaker 3>through like bringing up tanks of nitrogen to make up

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<v Speaker 3>that difference. So that and other considerations have led people

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<v Speaker 3>to plan that in some other cases there might be

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<v Speaker 3>higher levels of oxygen in the atmosphere breathed within space

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<v Speaker 3>exploration contexts in the future. The author's cite a few

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<v Speaker 3>other examples. They cite past examples as well. They say

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<v Speaker 3>the Apollo missions and sky Lab used higher oxygen levels,

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<v Speaker 3>and as of the time of this paper, there were

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<v Speaker 3>plans for other missions that the authors say would have

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<v Speaker 3>used higher oxygen concentrations. They cite the Orion Crew exploration vehicle.

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<v Speaker 3>They cite the Altai Lander, which would have been at

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<v Speaker 3>the time this mission was planned, would have been a

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<v Speaker 3>landing vehicle for a US mission returning to the Moon,

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<v Speaker 3>and they also talk about higher oxygen concentrations in possible

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<v Speaker 3>lunar surface habitats, So there would be numerous scenarios where

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<v Speaker 3>you're in a space exploration context and you would have

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<v Speaker 3>increased oxygen levels. Either there's just ambiently increased oxygen in

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<v Speaker 3>the particular mission or vehicle you're talking about, or you

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<v Speaker 3>might be needing to give somebody oxygen for some reason,

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<v Speaker 3>in which case there would be much increased oxygen around

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<v Speaker 3>their head and chest. The authors also point out that

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<v Speaker 3>certain medical interventions could provide ignition points, such as you

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<v Speaker 3>could potentially start a fire during defibrillation, and this could

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<v Speaker 3>happen even on Earth. Really, yes, I went and read

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<v Speaker 3>about this. It seems to put some fears at rest.

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<v Speaker 3>It is very rare. This is not something that commonly happens,

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<v Speaker 3>but there have been reported cases. For example, the following study.

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<v Speaker 3>I was looking at a study published in the Journal

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<v Speaker 3>of the American College of Cardiology by Sanchez at All

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<v Speaker 3>from the year twenty twenty three. It talks about a

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<v Speaker 3>case where a seventy two year old male showed up

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<v Speaker 3>at the emergency room. He was suffering atrial fibrillation an

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<v Speaker 3>erratic elevated heart rate, and there were several interventions, including

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<v Speaker 3>the use of a defibrillator to stabilize the regular heartbeat.

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<v Speaker 3>So they put the leads on your chest and they

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<v Speaker 3>send a charge to try to synchronize the muscles of

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<v Speaker 3>the heart. The report says, quote, the defibrillator pads ignited

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<v Speaker 3>in flames after the defibrillation button was pressed. The betting

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<v Speaker 3>and oxygen mask also caught fire. Now that's something you

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<v Speaker 3>don't usually think of happening. However, the author stressed that

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<v Speaker 3>this is extremely rare. They say there are only two

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<v Speaker 3>known cases in the medical literature that they could identify.

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<v Speaker 3>And also fortunately the patient did not suffer actually suffer

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<v Speaker 3>burn injuries. What was burned appeared to be the pads

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<v Speaker 3>and the patient's body hair in some parts of the bedding.

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<v Speaker 3>But they say to avoid this happening, there are several

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<v Speaker 3>steps you can do. Of course, the increased oxygen from

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<v Speaker 3>supplemental oxygen probably contributed here, so they say you can

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<v Speaker 3>remove or place oxygen masks or nasal canula further away

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<v Speaker 3>from the patient's chest when you're doing a defibrillation charge.

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<v Speaker 3>They say that you can prepare the pads better, make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that they have complete attachment to the chest wall.

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<v Speaker 3>They say, chest hair should be trimmed ideally that that helps,

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<v Speaker 3>and they also say avoid alcohol products during the preparation

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<v Speaker 3>for the defib anyway, So that was sort of a tangent.

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<v Speaker 3>But defibrillation is one of the scenarios the authors mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>that could possibly provide an ignition point in space. But

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<v Speaker 3>coming back to the burning hair in space study, the

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<v Speaker 3>authors also mentioned cauterization as a medical procedure that could

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<v Speaker 3>provide increased risk of fire in an oxygen enriched environment.

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<v Speaker 3>So you pair the oxygenerate atmosphere in some spacecraft and

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<v Speaker 3>space exploration environments with various ignition scenarios, and you've got

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<v Speaker 3>the heat and the oxygen. So the third ingredient is fuel,

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<v Speaker 3>and here the authors point to the presence of potentially

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<v Speaker 3>flammable clothing and hair. Now in addition to the specific

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<v Speaker 3>medical ignition scenarios mentioned above like defibrillation and cauterization, the

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<v Speaker 3>authors note the conclusion of previous research, especially regarding Apollo one,

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<v Speaker 3>that it should basically be considered impossible to eliminate all

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<v Speaker 3>ignition sources in a spacecraft environment. You're always going to

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<v Speaker 3>have things that could generate sparks or electrical arcs or

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<v Speaker 3>hot surfaces so way to limit the risk of fire

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<v Speaker 3>is to control access of those ignition sources to fuel

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<v Speaker 3>by removing combustible materials or making them less combustible.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've been watching enough alien movies recently to

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<v Speaker 2>of course know that standard issue. If you're going on

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<v Speaker 2>a space mission, you have a flamethrower on board, you

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<v Speaker 2>have or at least a flamer unit. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's necessary. It's not nothing that's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>like spitting jelly gasoline or anything like that, Like not

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<v Speaker 2>a military flame thrower, but still a unit that shoots

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<v Speaker 2>a big plume of fire at things.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do they have that, That's a good question. Is

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<v Speaker 3>there an industrial use or do they make them? Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they make them now that.

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<v Speaker 2>I I think sometimes that's the case. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the best I could do putting this together, watching

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<v Speaker 2>the films in the back of my mind, always thinking

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<v Speaker 2>like flamer is probably not a great idea in an enclosed,

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<v Speaker 2>sealed environment without even factoring in and all the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>we've been talking about here. But I'm guessing you could

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<v Speaker 2>make a case for okay, if you are dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of a life form situa biological threat, like

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of a bug, not a full blown xenomorph,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but just kind of whatever is expected to occur.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I guess you can make a case for a

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<v Speaker 2>flame unit. And then on top of that, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at some sort of a potential like boarding scenario,

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<v Speaker 2>like a boarding action, like people coming on your ship,

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<v Speaker 2>they aren't supposed to be there and you want to

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<v Speaker 2>encourage them to leave or to back off, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>a flame unit you could make some sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>case that a flame unit is better than a gun

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<v Speaker 2>that could potentially puncture the whole. But I don't know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>once you factor all this in, though, is the risk

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<v Speaker 2>of fire greater? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we'll have to assume that, like the Nostromo

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<v Speaker 3>and other alien environments, just to use, they're more like

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<v Speaker 3>the ISS, like they supply the nitrogen. They have a

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<v Speaker 3>more earth like atmosphere rather than the oxygen enriched atmospheres

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<v Speaker 3>that would increase the risk of using flames.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, Plus everything's a little bit wet than a stromo,

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<v Speaker 2>so maybe that helps.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. The authors of this paper note that a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of individual mission durations are short enough that astronauts don't

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<v Speaker 3>need to cut their hair in space, but even that

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<v Speaker 3>does happen. Sometimes the space haircuts are real. They include

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<v Speaker 3>a photo from the ISS of a space haircut where

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<v Speaker 3>Russian cosmonaut Valerie Corzun is doing a haircut for the

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<v Speaker 3>American astronaut Peggy Whitson in the year two thousand and two.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can see like he's got the scissors and

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<v Speaker 3>a comb in his hands and she's holding a like

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<v Speaker 3>a hose up by her head. It's a vacuum cleaner hose,

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<v Speaker 3>and I guess that's to suck in all the clippings

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<v Speaker 3>right as their release, because man, oh, you think hair

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<v Speaker 3>gets everywhere during a normal Earth haircut with regular gravity,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I feel like I get a haircut in

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<v Speaker 3>days later, I'm still finding hair. It's like I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>even wearing the same clothes. What's going on. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so in microgravity you could imagine it's a real headache.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like you got to make a strong

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<v Speaker 2>case for that haircut and or be really good with

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<v Speaker 2>that vacuum house.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, given all these considerations, it's important to know

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<v Speaker 3>for planning future space missions in these abnormal atmospheric and

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<v Speaker 3>gravity conditions and especially in more unique scenarios where you

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<v Speaker 3>would need to supply somebody with supplemental oxygen. How flammable

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<v Speaker 3>are the fuel sources you would find inside a spaceship,

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<v Speaker 3>And in the case of this study, they looked into

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<v Speaker 3>how flammable is human hair with these increased concentrations of oxygen.

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<v Speaker 3>So the authors did some experiments. They tried to simulate

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<v Speaker 3>what it's like in various space exploration environments using an

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<v Speaker 3>apparatus called a low speed flow tunnel, where you maintain

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<v Speaker 3>a forced flow of a controlled gas mixture. In this case,

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<v Speaker 3>it was mounted inside of a NASA Zero Gravity Research

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<v Speaker 3>Facility drop rig, so that was to simulate different gravity conditions.

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<v Speaker 3>They tried a few different lengths and styles of human hair.

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<v Speaker 3>They mounted them on a rack, and they said that

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<v Speaker 3>basically the flame spread was pretty similar for the different

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<v Speaker 3>hair styles tested different lengths. The spread was sort of

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<v Speaker 3>quick at first over the sort of frizzy outer layer

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<v Speaker 3>of the surface of a hair mass, and then would

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<v Speaker 3>be followed, especially in the cases of longer hair where

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of hair, followed by quote continued bulk burning.

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<v Speaker 3>And they found that, oh, yeah, it is absolutely right

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<v Speaker 3>that increasing oxygen will increase the flame spread rate of

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<v Speaker 3>hair significantly. They say it's by more than an order

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<v Speaker 3>of magnitude, so it's major. And Rabbi included a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of pictures for you to look at here of what

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<v Speaker 3>the hair looked like after being exposed to fire in

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<v Speaker 3>normal atmosphere versus in a thirty percent oxygen atmosphere, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's a major difference. The thirty percent oxygen one looks

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<v Speaker 3>way more like a matted mass of keratin ash goo.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, absolutely, Chris, So this is something that I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think I ever would have thought of before, but

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<v Speaker 3>the authors say, yes, their findings show that quote in

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<v Speaker 3>the elevated oxygen concentration environments planned for future exploration missions,

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<v Speaker 3>hair flammability becomes an important consideration for crue safety. With

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<v Speaker 3>the high flame spread rates reported here, an astronaut's entire

0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 3>head would be engulfed in flames in seconds, and serious

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.720
<v Speaker 3>injury could occur before the flames are extinguished. It is

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<v Speaker 3>suggested that acceptable mitigation strategies such as hair coverings be

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<v Speaker 3>adopted and shaving be encouraged. And they talk about a

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<v Speaker 3>number of different interventions you could employ, so you could, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you could like cut hair. You could shave parts of

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 3>the body, you could shave the head. You could cover

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<v Speaker 3>the hair with flame retardant kind of hair coverings and materials.

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<v Speaker 3>You can put flame resistant gels and jellies in the hair.

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<v Speaker 3>They mentioned several of these that in some cases are

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<v Speaker 3>used and have been used. So there are different interventions

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 3>you could do. But ultimately they say, if you have

0:25:56.680 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 3>elevated oxygen levels and you are trying to prevent fires,

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 3>you really do need to think about human hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you know, I can't help but think about like

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 2>the sci fi ramifications. And on one level, I love

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 2>the idea of like hairless shaved astronauts. You know that

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 2>you have removed all their hair in order to prevent

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 2>this from happening. But on the other hand, I kind

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 2>of like the idea of a bunch of astronauts that

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:22.199
<v Speaker 2>are using some sort of especially made palmade. Yeah, and

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I'll have some sort of like a maybe slicked back

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 2>greaser look going on with this special space space goop.

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, everybody looks like John Travolta in Greece. I mean

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 3>that they've all got the space pompadours that the Yeah,

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:41.000
<v Speaker 3>we're like flame flame retardant jelly in there.

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the Misfits right where they have a hair

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<v Speaker 2>all crafted. Now, I got to keep an eye out

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 2>for it. Keep watching all these space movies, and I

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:51.680
<v Speaker 2>have not been paying enough attention to everyone's hairstyles. Which

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:54.680
<v Speaker 2>space movie has the has the most slicked back hair?

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Where is the most palmde employed in science fiction? I'm

0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to be on the lookout for it now.

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, this is one of these classic rabbit holes

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 3>I love on our show that I would not have

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:06.399
<v Speaker 3>expected to go in this direction at all. I was

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 3>initially just looking into, like what's going on with the

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 3>chemistry of burning hair, and I ended up with the

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 3>threats of hair catching on fire in space.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we mentioned boarding actions earlier, and one of

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 2>the first places that my mind went when we started

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:34.120
<v Speaker 2>looking into this was what about black Beard the Pirate?

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 2>So black Beard the Pirate was, of course a real

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 2>person that has been mythologized and fictionalized to varying degrees

0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>over time, But this was an actual pirate, Edward Teach,

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 2>who reportedly lives sixteen eighty through seventeen eighteen. And yeah,

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 2>there's a great deal of legend about this man, including

0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>the idea that he would affix slow matches. Sometimes these

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:06.640
<v Speaker 2>are just called fuses, but slow matches were they would

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 2>have a like coils of this stuff. They burn slow,

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 2>as the name implies, they burn very hot, and they're

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:18.400
<v Speaker 2>used for igniting like the fuses for cannons, explosive materials, grenades,

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing, but also of course could be

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 2>used to like light pipes and so forth.

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 3>I think even at the time, well I don't know

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 3>if exactly at this time, but they were used, and

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 3>even handheld firearms at the time, like muskets and stuff

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 3>would have like a they'd have like a powder pan

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 3>with a slow match that ignited it.

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so it would be common to have these

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 2>on hand. But of course, part of the mystique of

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Blackbeard is that he wouldn't just have burning slow matches,

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 2>say on his belt or whatnot. He would have them

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 2>under his hat. And I think this sometimes gets conflated

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 2>into being like woven into his hair or even in

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>his beard anyway that you frame it. Slow matches in

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 2>very close proc simity to what is generally described and

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.959
<v Speaker 2>or depicted as wild hair and beard. You know, Like

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the idea here is that he would do this before

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 2>a raid, before a boarding action to make himself look

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 2>more fearsome with those smoking fuses, with like the little

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 2>pinpoints of red ember sticking out on either side of

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 2>his fearsome head.

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 3>So, of course I'm familiar with the story. I've heard

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 3>it many times, but this is one of those things

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 3>that has never made sense to me, because I think, like,

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 3>how how do you actually do that and like operate

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 3>like move around and stuff with things on fire tangled

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 3>in your beard, And wouldn't it be producing some amount

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 3>of smoke or fumes at least would that beginning in

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:43.959
<v Speaker 3>your face? I don't know.

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess it's a very just fume intensive

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:50.239
<v Speaker 2>environment anyway, If their cannon's going off, muskets firing, and

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 2>then you know folks are smoking as well, that's something

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 2>worth noting, I guess is I've never been a smoker. Smokers,

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 2>of course, by practice, are going to have frequently have

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:02.959
<v Speaker 2>burning objects in close proximity to their hair and beard,

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>and may have additional thoughts on all of this, like

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:08.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how often, how often, say just a

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>smoker of cigarettes with a prominent beard would encounter some

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 2>sort of a beard burn scenario. But then again, again

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 2>we have to remember that a slow match would have

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I believe burnt much hotter than your average cigarette or

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>pipe or whatnot. Yeah, anyway, so yeah, I had questions

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>about this too, liked, did he really do this? Was

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 2>this safe? I'm I mean, I'm not particularly worried about

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Blackbeard's personal safety choices, but is this feasible? And so

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I was looking around at some serious texts about black

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Beard and pirates, and a number of them, number of

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.959
<v Speaker 2>them didn't really do much deliberation on this point. They

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 2>just kind of mention it, and there's you know, there's

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>a lot of there's a lot more pressing history to

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 2>discuss here, So not a slide at those sources at all.

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 2>I also ran across at least a few more casual

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 2>commentators who dismissed it as a myth because, as they said, well,

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 2>this would have surely caught his hair on fire, so

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>it you know, he almost certainly didn't do it. But

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I did finally find discussion of it in Dinnerson Little's

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen book The Golden Age of Piracy, The Truth

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>behind Pirate Myths, and so he attributes you know, a

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of this myth making to Captain Charles Johnson's seventeen

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty four book A General History of the Robberies and

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Murders of the most most Notorious Pirates that's spelled p

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>y R A t e S.

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Gotta love pirate with y.

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And we have to note that the actual identity

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 2>of this author remains unknown. There is apparently no record

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>of such a Captain Johnson, and some have even argued

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 2>that the author here is actually Daniel Dafoe, Yeah, of

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Robinson Crusoe, Yeah, exactly. So we ultimately don't know for sure.

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 2>I think historians kind of go back and forth with

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 2>different theories, but it seems to be agreed upon that

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 2>whoever wrote this they had some talent for fiction. They

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 2>also had a great love of facts and details, and

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>the resulting work is kind of a mix of the two.

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 2>So you have you do have some factual information that's

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 2>very helpful to the historian, but you also have plenty

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 2>of just blatant fiction mixed in as well.

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, that kind of source is in a way great.

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean that makes it not as very frustrating as

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 3>a historical source, but also an interesting problem for historians.

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Right right now, on the slow match in or adjacent

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>to the hair. In particular, the author little here adds

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 2>the following quote. Still pirates, privateers, merchant seamen, and naval

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 2>seamen tasked with throwing grenades in battle sometimes carried the

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>burning slow match needed to light the grenade fuses in

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 2>their hats, but it was more usual to tie it

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>around a wrist or pin it to their clothing or

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 2>hat with a match case. Although one image of Jean Bart,

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 2>the famous French privateer in the service of France, shows

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>him with a length of lighted match hold in his teeth.

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Ugh and so He adds that Captain Johnson or whoever

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 2>was behind that pseudonym, would have surely seen the image

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 2>in question. They would have been familiar with this idea,

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 2>this image of Bart and so He and He also

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 2>points out that the slow match again burns slow but

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>very hot by design in order to light fuses that,

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 2>despite what movies and Looney Tune cartoons portray, can be

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 2>rather hard to light. That's why you need a slow fuse.

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:31.239
<v Speaker 2>You can't just you know, you couldn't just strike a

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 2>match and so forth. You need something hot and more

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 2>or less consistent. And then this is where he finally

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 2>gets to the part. This is where little gets to

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 2>the part that I was wondering about. He adds, quote,

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 2>slow matches could thus easily ignite hair, and a pirate's greasy, tarry,

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 2>flaming beard would have been a hellish spectacle, and one

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>probably never repeat it. So I guess that's as close

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 2>to an answer as I could really find. Basically, like, yes,

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>slow matches on the hat, in the hat and so forth,

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 2>that's going to be expected to a degree, But there's

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 2>like a fine line. You wouldn't want to push it

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 2>too far, and if someone did push it too far,

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.919
<v Speaker 2>it would be notable. You know, that pirate would ever

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 2>would forever be remembered as the guy whose head went

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 2>up in a ball of fire because he was trying

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.479
<v Speaker 2>to be a little bit too dramatic in the boarding action,

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and other pirates would decide, well, you know, I'll just

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 2>keep it on the hat. Maybe I'll just tie it

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 2>to the wrist.

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to think, Okay, so that's sort of a

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:33.919
<v Speaker 3>count against this story, I guess, of black Beard putting

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 3>them in the beard. I wonder is it possible that

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:40.399
<v Speaker 3>along the lines of this, like NASA research we're looking

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 3>at where you could put some kind of gels or jellies,

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, flame resistant gels or jellies in the hair.

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 3>There's something that would have been available in the seventeenth

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.840
<v Speaker 3>or eighteenth century. You could like wax your beard with

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 3>a flame resistant material that would like prevent it from

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.320
<v Speaker 3>catching on fire. I'm just spitballing here, I guess.

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 2>So. I mean two things we have to consider about

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 2>pirates without going into a deep dive on like the

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>actual realities of pirates is that in some cases these

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>were learned men or women. You know, that that might

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 2>be pritvy to information like that that would be useful.

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Also that they could just be clever enough to figure

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:21.760
<v Speaker 2>out something that would work if they were that attached

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to this dramatic flare they had in mind. But on

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 2>the other hand, I feel like, you know, pirates are

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:33.799
<v Speaker 2>making bad life choices, so that can include, you know,

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:35.720
<v Speaker 2>risking your head going up in flames.

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 3>More thoughts about the beard, Okay, I can imagine the

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 3>plausibility of it would be affected by I think how

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 3>long the slow match you're putting in the beard is, Like,

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 3>if it's significantly long and hanging out, that sort of

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 3>gets it away from your face. But the longer the

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 3>match you put in, the heavier it would be, in

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 3>which case I would think, how do you get it

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 3>to stay in the beard? Do you literally have to

0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.800
<v Speaker 3>like tie it inside a braid in your beard or

0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 3>something thing? So you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.440
<v Speaker 3>just sticking it in there. I don't know. I mean,

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 3>beard hair can be kind of thick and tangly, so

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 3>you can imagine sticking something in a beard that's not

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 3>very heavy and it stays there. But I don't know,

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 3>A significant length of something like rope or a slow

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 3>match seems like that would start getting heavy enough to

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:19.919
<v Speaker 3>just fall out.

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Going back to some of these illustrations, these classic

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>illustrations of black Beard, I guess the idea is that

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 2>he would take a length of slow match, like place

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 2>it over his head and then put the hat on

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 2>top of it, and then you have either end of

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 2>the slow match sticking out on each side. Still I

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 2>think too close for comfort to the rest of his

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>hair and his beard. But the way it's physician, maybe

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 2>it has the burning tips of the matches, you know,

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>sticking out to either side.

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Ah, yeah, Okay, I guess that's more plausible because I

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 3>was imagining it literally being just in the beard, tangled

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 3>in the beard man.

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it sometimes gets conflated to that, either storytelling

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and embellishment or just by looking at a picture like this,

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 2>where like the famous illustration in question, it's like his

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 2>beard is already in kind of like squidlike arms, like

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 2>like dreads, and then the slow match also looks like

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 2>a dread coming out on either side of his head

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 2>that is then producing smoke.

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Okay, but I see I was mentally personally supplying some

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.359
<v Speaker 3>of the more implausible elements myself there that it was

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 3>like necessarily said to be in the beard. That's maybe

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 3>a less common variation on the idea, but.

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>I think it's out there. Like I said, there's so

0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:40.800
<v Speaker 2>much you know, myth making and an exaggeration in pirate

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 2>mythology that I think it just inevitably goes there. All right. Well,

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:46.760
<v Speaker 2>on that note, I think we're going to go ahead

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 2>and call this part one, but we will be back

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 2>for a second episode. I think this is just going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a two parter, but in the next episode

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get a little bit into the idea of the

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<v Speaker 2>quest for Flaming hair and flaming beards, and mythology and folklore.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll also get into some examples from antiquity, so I think,

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<v Speaker 2>and probably some other angles as well that we haven't

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<v Speaker 2>worked out just yet. But yeah, we thought this was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a one partner, but I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>enough interesting stuff for two here. In the meantime, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>remind you that Stuff to Blow Your Mind is primarily

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<v Speaker 2>a science and culture podcast, with core episodes on Tuesdays

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<v Speaker 2>and Thursdays. Let's see, currently we are doing short form

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<v Speaker 2>episodes on Wednesdays. We're doing Weird House Cinema on Fridays. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you might notice that our Monday listener Mail episodes have

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<v Speaker 2>ceased for the time being. We're experimenting with a slightly

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<v Speaker 2>different format, going back to the old format of having

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<v Speaker 2>listener Mail episodes occur, say every month or so, and

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<v Speaker 2>instead running a Weird House Cinema rerun in that Monday slot. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just trying things out here, so if you have

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts on this experiment right in, we would love to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from you.

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<v Speaker 3>Right so, want to be super clear, listener Mail is

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<v Speaker 3>not going away. Please keep the messages coming. We are

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<v Speaker 3>still going to read them on the show, just on

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<v Speaker 3>a less frequent basis. The plan is roughly every month,

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<v Speaker 3>month and a half, more like we used to do

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<v Speaker 3>before the weekly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, if you have experiences with burning hair, some

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<v Speaker 2>pirate thoughts to share, or certainly if you have thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>about standard issue Flamer units on space missions and deep

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<v Speaker 2>sea missions in science fiction, write in. We'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from you.

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<v Speaker 3>Huge thanks as always to our excellent audio producer JJ Posway.

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<v Speaker 3>If you would like to get in touch with us

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